tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 10, 2014 1:00am-2:01am PDT
we have a big show planned tonight. the interview tonight is wendy davis. the democratic candidate who i almost just ran down like a bough ball. she was on her way in. i was sprinting to the set and if it's anything like what it was during the interview, it's going to be very exciting. also, more news about the nfl story that has crossed over. the nfl commissioner has just come out and made new remarks tonight. it's likely to fan the flames with everyone who is upset. we also got rilts from the last round of primaries brve the november elections. primaries are being held in five rounds tonight. there's been polls cloized within the last minute.
we're keeping an eye out there for important results from tonight's primaries. but we also spent part of the news day today making our own special coverage plans here at msnbc for tomorrow night. testimony white house has just announced that a rare thing will happen. this is a president address. these don't happen very often. in the obama presidency, we've only had an average two or three of these a year. prime time president addresses just don't happen very often. it has been about a year since the president has done one. if you're thinking about planning your night for tomorrow, you should know that our special coverage of that prime time address is going to start at 8:00 p.m. eastern.
i'm going to be going to washington for the address. we're going to have live coverage from washington starting at 8:00. president obama told chuck todd on "meet the press" this sunday that this was not going to be announcing an american ground invasion of iraq. he told chuck this is not going to be an announcement of u.s. ground troops. this is not guilty the equivalent of the iraq war. it is starting to look like an iraq war over there. there are already personnel deployed back there tonight. it's 153rd air strike. also, the washington post and abc, both big polls out today, both showing strong, public support showing action against
isis from iraq and syria. the new nbc poll that's out tonight, only 15% of americans say there should be no u.s. military action against isis. that leaves the remaining three quarters of the country that the country wants either air strikes or air strikes and combat troops to be used. the other poll is 71% of americans. the washington pot said they did not support in addition of air strikes. but those numbers are whopping. here's the thing, though, if you just read a couple lines into the announcement about these air strikes that are already happening inside iraq, which are
apparently very popular with the american people right now, there is something to be said strategically about what the u.s. is shooting at in iraq right now. look at this reporting on the latest round of air strikes from the a.p. today. this is how it's described. the u.s. military says it launched five more air strikes in support of iraqi government traps. okay. i understand that. isis. this sunni mill tant group that bombs are become dropped on. that group has heavy antiaircraft weapons on the ground.
and, yes, some of the u.s. aircraft are drones, can means that there's no pilot at risk in those aircraft. but the other aircraft that we've got over there right now are fighter jets and what they've described as attack aircraft. all of those have pie lots and crewings. for some reason, we've decided to not call what they're doing combat. so politically, it may be convenient to say you support air strikes, but not combat. but there already are 11 hurn ugs personnel in iraq. and, god forbid, if an american aircraft start to get shot down with the anti-aircraft
artillery, then you better believe there be boots on the ground and quickly. both in termings of support support need. if a u.s. fighter ship or gun ship gets shot down by isis in iraq wharks then? is it still no boots on the ground? what would we be okay with? it's a hard debate. nobody's wrong at the start of that debate.
day want an initial 500 million tlars rather than have u.s. troops fight isis on the ground, send support and send weapons to the people who are already there? the administration likes the idea. lots of members of congress are youing saying they should have done that from the beginning and they are dramatically upscaled. look at this. a private fimpl in england that looks at how weapons are calculated around the world.
they found that the small arms and rockets appear to have been provided to other combatants. and then they end up with isis? yeah. so what happens to arm that is get groups fighting iisis? they end up going to isis. this is tough, right? you're fighting isis so you arm them? now you're fighting isis with weapons that you provided in the first place.
after that, new clachls from the family of stooich solof. the so-called moderate rebels in syria who so many people say ought to be armed and supported by the u.s. government, those moderate rebels are the people who handed steven over to isis in the first place. >> for the first time, we can say that steven was sold at the border. people want our administration to support. one of them sold for probably between 25 and $50,000. somebody at the border crossing made a phone call to isis and they set up a fake check point with many people. >> so arm the good rebels? arm the moderate rebel sns there is an enemy of my enemy is my friend to be made here.
if you want to help isis, help if other groups that are also fighting isis. it's not at all clear that they're deciding who should get u.s. weapons. and this is a very hard question. this is a question that defies easy, polling tested answers. this is a hard question that is an important one and that deserves a rigorous debate. here's another one. here's another reason to go after them in syria. here's a sound argument for not attacking them in syria. the iraqi government has invited u.s. military air strikes.
the iraqi government is working to capitalize and make them effective. thus, effectively, going to war with us while we are trying to go to war with isis. argument going after think in syria? which argument is more compelling to you. there's a reasonable argument to be made on both sides there. that deserves full-scale congressional debate with a binding volt. this is a fourm for congress to show off. this isn't something congress should do because it would make
for a good wedge issue or it would make for a good bumper sticker or make a good sort of election night slogan. debating the best strategy against isis. whether to use the u.s. military force. why to use it how to use it. it's not something that gives a one-part advantage to either side. if best parts beat out worse arguments. obviously, people who are wrong or ill-informed are make bad judgment calls. lose the argument.
their side should lose the vote. and whether there is a viable, american military strategy against them in the middle east, that will would recollect and not just make things worse. that's why the constitution gives congress that responsibility. it's not one perng's decision. it's a decision that emerges from a big fight. it was only six weeks ago that they voted overwhelmingly that president obama couldn't expand in iraq. since then, two american journalists have been beheaded on video by isis.
that's the difference to do their constitutional duty. to make the decision about how best to fight isis. these venn shllyties, since the last time they took a vote, has apparently made democratic leader more upset. fearing the unknown political consequences. eight weeks before the midterm elections. congress doesn't have the option of fearing out. constitutionally, it's their responsibility to debate and make the policy decisions. the president is the commander in chief.
those air strikes will become ill lee. they don't have the debate. sib stantively, we also really need a good dwell bait to make good decisions on any knowledges where the decision-making is hard here. the military action in iraq, it was probably when they said fire all the sunnis. now the number two and number three guys running isis.
that's what happened after wards. we have a great history of making terrible decisions. in some cases, based on false premises decisions. we have a terrible history there. there are americans rising their lives right now. and that means sd r debating it procherly. the leadership in congress is saying it's all his call. nothing do with us. this is the kind of thing they need to do to earn their salaries.
>> good evening. >> so, from your reporting, can you tell us want sort of discussions are happening about whether or not they should be voting on this? the members of congress saying there ought to be a vote. >> it was a fascinating scene tonight at the senate. you saw lawmakers of both parties saying it's the president's burden. they're not another not clambering for the vote. is there anybody who has clairvoyance? i'm a pretty avid watcher of national security decisions.
it might go in a different direction than because of a vote on syria. are there those who got a clear vision of what the consequences would be? >> there's an odd, conventional wisdom that's bucking up. they're not taking the vote right now. >> in terms of the white house that said, they've pretty much been saying that he's got the executive authority of what they've done thus far?
is there any clarity in terms of how the white house and what they expect from them and what the white house has to ask? >> no one is making a move for authorization. thanks very much for being here. we appreciate it. >> roger gadell speaking out for the very first time tonight about the ray rice video tape that was released yesterday. also, here tonight live from the interview, currently running for texas governor. stay with us. female voice ] ye? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort.
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yesterday,the baltimore ravens announced after they've seen the video shortly there after the nfl in light of that new video, they were suspending mr. vice president rice indefinitely. they planned to suspend mr. rice for two games because of that incident and seen so woodly yesterday. way too lenient. he had never seen the new video before it was posted yesterday. the nfl commissioner, roger gadell said nothing yesterday. they o ridge naply handed down their two-game punishment on his ood vice.
>> we had not seen any video tape of what occurred in the elevator. we had asked for a video tape and never received it. >> so had anyone in the nfl seen it? >> not to my knowledge. >> we certainly didn't know whavs on the tape. to be very honest. we didn't get this right. that's my responsibility and i'm accountable to that. >> there have been called for mr. gadell to step down.
as for ray rice, jerseys were taken off the shelves. sporting goods across the country exchanging their ray rice jerseys in light of this incident. mr. rice made a statement yesterday. he said i have to be strong for my wife. we are in good spirits. i have to be there for my wife and my family right now kwork through this. mr. rice's wife, janay, also put out a statement.
overnight celebrity. this was a democratic state senator in texas talking down cutting funding for public schools. that 2011 filibuster by this previously unknown lawmaker from ft. worth quickly became legend and left texas state governor a little chapped. >> we come here to work. we don't come here to do anything other than to get the will of the people done. >> we don't come here to be show horses or to filibuster my legislation. but that previously obscured democratic texas state senator to inconvenience him greatly. she fill bust herbed dwov nor perry's priority. she cut $4 billion in cuts into a special session to restore those cuts to texas schools.
that texas senator was wendy davis. if she got called an overfight celebrity, consider what happened to wendy davis there after. last year, that would close most of the abortion clinics in that state. abortion clinics and providers would got be able to meet. and that last filibuster may have been an hour and a half. but this one she knew was possibly going to be longer.
she wore pink running shoes. you cannot lean on your december rk, you cannot eat, you have to stay on topics. texas filibusters are a grueling task of parliamentary will. the one on the abortion bill was 14 hours. it went off like a roman candle. including the president of the united states. president obama tweeted during her filibuster, quote, something special is happening in austin tonight. the idea was to push the debate in texas until mid night. and, after midnight, so the legislative session would have to end at midnight.
they desperately wanted wendy davis to stop talking before mid night. so nay came up with a strategy starting to rule her out of order. they started using parliamentary objections to vote on that bill and get it passed when they stashted doing that, that is when something happened. her senate democratic colleagues starts to shut her up. however much drama there was inside on if senate floor. thousands of people showing up in support of senator davis. chanting her name.
look at the size of the crowd that was there. this was shot inside the rotunda that night. watch this foot an. they crowded into if capital rotunda. they carried on the filibuster that wendy davis started. apparently, the eyes of the president watching and the chaos swirling and the chanting and the clock ticking, republicans fumbled away the remaining minutes of that session. they could not pass that bill that night. they couldn't do it. wendy davis had one.
one because she had an egg topic pregnancy. the second one she had to have because the baby was diagnosed with a rare brain abformality. they had to stop the baby's suffering. when it came time to filibuster that bill last year, a bill that arguably could make illegal the kind of procedures is that senator davis had. she writes in her book that one story was so hauntingingly familiar i could barely speak it out loud. my voice and hands shook. i wiped tears from my eyes. wendy davis did not tell her own
that was the texas state capital in june last year. people chanting, "let her speak," "let her speak." wendy davis was shut down when trying to stop a draconian anti-abortion bill. like all great, overnight sensations, it took a lifetime to get there. her new book is called forgetting to be afraid. it's out today. and senator davis join us us here tonight for her first cable
news interview since its release. senator, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> it has been almost two decades since texas had a democratic governor. and national liberals and democrats like to talk about texas turning blue at some point. how do you feel about your chances? and is texas changing? >> i feel very good about my chances. and i think it's because there are people all over our state that feel that their values have not been refleblgted. and we have built an energy and enthusiasm ochb the ground that's like nothing i've ever seen in our state! why are texas civic participation rates so low? i mean, not just among democratic-leaning demographic groups. >> it's the lowest in the country. and i atribute it to a couple of things.
one, we haven't had a really hotly, general contested race in texas since anne richards lost. so, over time, you're not developing and understanding and opining and tuning in to civic, electoral politics. and the civic engagement that comes as a consequence of doing that. when i decided to run for governor, that was part of my goal. making sure that we drove a conversation for people to consider. are they being refleblgtive? or is it time as we look forward to the future of our state? is it time for us to enter that
future path? is it time for change? >> part of the reason the democrats have been excited about the prospect of organizing texas. and, honestly, excited about the prospects of your campaign, whether or not you ultimately win in november is whether or not you can reach that huge latino vote in texas. not only does it vote for texas, does it vote very much for latino populations. should national democrats be hanging their hats on that? >> it's a disengagement across the board. african americans and hispanic voters, majority, vote for democratic candidates.
for democrats, it's very important to try to create engagement in those groups. it really cuts across all conversations. making sure that you're having conversations with people. about what is going on in gover nans. all of the 265 family planning. all of the women that have been impacted by that know the impact. but they don't know that it happened because political decision makers have made it happen. >> on the issue of reproductive rights, obviously, your filibuster on the antiabortion bill was a huge hit across the country. why did you save your personal stories with abortion for now?
i guess not to disclose during that hotly-contested campaign then. why now before your election? and why did you do it in the form of the book? >> that night, and, as i explained in my book, i thought about bringing my personal story forward. and i refleblgted quickly that that wasn't the right thing to do. i didn't want to make that day be about me. i wanted it to be about 2 thousands of women and their spouses or parter ins who supported them who had wanted so desperately for their voices to be heard. this is a personal story. it's not a political story. as i reflected on writing about hue i became who i am and why it is that i fight for the things that i fight for, i wanted to put it all out there. and to be real.
and i'm hoping for young, struggling moms, i hope they'll feel inspired and what i was able to achieve through education. i hope that women and the men who love them who may be facing very difficult decisions, like the one that happened my former husband and i faced with our daughter. i hope that they'll find some comfort in knowing what we went through and how we handled it. that's stories are important, i think, for people who are looking for comfort, looking for inspiration, and that's what i hope to achieve with this book. >> there have been conservative critics of your who say they doubt your story. the national review said the revelations are convenient and
unverifiable, saying you're making it up for political effect. if you don't want to respond to that, you just can't. my family would give anything for this not to be our true story in our lives. we would give anything for that. >> the book is called "forgetting to be afraid." it's an important contribution to understand where you are right now. we'll be right back. right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.
and now, here's a thing. >> someone came up and said hey, you know, i would love to meet scott. i kind of always thought scott was kind of a phony from massachusetts. and i said, you've got to sit down with him because he sat down, had their little conversation. he walked away. you know what he said, he's a phony from new hampshire who happened to live in massachusetts for a little while. you know what he said? that guy -- he's a phony from new hampshire that just happened to live in massachusetts for a little while. >> that is a thing that happened.
famous things i have known bob mcdonald and his fancy rolex. it was a gift. also spider-man. wonder woman had bullet deflecting bracelets. those were awesome. dick tracy had a two-way wrist phone. >> okay, chief, i'm on it right away. dick tracy calling. >> go ahead, tracy. >> if only it was some sort of watch computer combo thingy you could secure to your wrist someday. today, california had its usual blowout announcement of new gear including bigger iphones, but also an apple watch computer combo thing. and no, we're not qvc.
you don't report every time a new tech product hits the market on this show. in fact, the last time we did so on this show was four years ago with the launch of the ipad. and the ipad did kind of turn out to be a newfangled device that made a real change in the way people live and work. well, four years ago, the person i talked to about the new ipad and what it was going to mean for our world was boingboing.net. her take when she watched the apple watch get rolled out was this, quote, this is an ipad or an iphone-level moment. i trust jenny implicitly. but when it's so hard to text on a teeny smart phone screen, how are people supposed to deal with a smart watch screen that's even smaller than that? i mean, this is what hands basically do, right? those aren't my hands hp are we all going to need finger reduction surgery? are we going to need to hire children to text for us? or is this a start of a fantastic new era that will change everything and i
shouldn't be so size obsessed? jenny is with us. what do you think of this new thing? >> it looks cool. we had hands-on dime with it. it's unlike any device i've ever used. this is a fitbit tracker. the retina is really amazing. but tim cook said very clearly, this is not -- we are not trying to shrink the iphone down to a watch form factor. he promised that this, like those other big releases, like the iphone and the ipad would be a break through in user interface design. to answer your text -- to answer your question from earlier, texts or other kind of messages, the idea is you would use voice command, but also, there are these little hand gestures that you can make. imagine drawing a little heart
and send that message. and because the apple watch contains a heart beat sensor, imagine actually sending your beating heart at the pace your heart is beating. and then the recipient feels that as a touch sensation on their apple watch. we did get to demo that. it was really wild. little grace notes are what make apple the kings of design. >> i was just going to say, it's wild and also creepy and i think apple has a knack for that. because they do have a way of ochanging our lives. this won't be the first smart watch. is this going to be a definer of this sort of segment? >> well, we haven't had a chance to test the watches out in the field. they're going to come out in early 2015, so i'll tell you when i've had some time with it. but this day was full of prom and we'll see how they deliver on that promise. >> xeni, i am afeared of all change, but i trust you to guide me towards smart one. that does it for us tonight. this was kind of an amazing
show. thanks for being with us. we'll see you tomorrow night at a special time, 8:00 eastern for our special coverage of president obama's prime time address to the nation on the issue of fighting isis. good wednesday morning. right now on "first look." president obama gears up for a major speech on isis. hear from roger goodell on a growing domestic violence controversy. primary results from around the country and tyson's advice for torontos rob ford. and u2's biggest album launch in music history. good morning. i'm frances pereira. secretary of state john kerry arrived in baghdad, meeting with iraq's new prime minister.