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four dozen hostages released by isis, all of them turkish, no ransom was paid and no conditions were accepted in return for their release. we're going to talk about that. plus, the president's plan to arm and train moderate islamic rebels in syria. passed the big test in congress this week in a vote that scrambled party lines and created bipartisan alliances like you have never seen before. we begin this morning with nfl commissioner roger goodell breaking his silence with the first press conference surveillance video punching his wife in an elevator surfaced last week. adrian peterson was indicted after beating his son with a switch and goodell's first appearance, these were the very first public words since all of these controversies erupted. >> i said this before, back in august 28th and say it again
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now, i got it wrong in the handle of the ray rice matter. i'm sorry for that. i got it wrong on a number of levels, from the process that i led, to the decision that i reached. but now, i will get it right. i will do whatever is necessary to accomplish that. >> and roger goodell didn't say much beyond the fact that the nfl is conducting a former investigation and also addressed the other initiative the league plans to take. john covered the press conference and joins us now. the reviews in real time on twitter this thing yesterday, if you look at any newspaper this morning, not too positive for the press conference. he said he's not -- right now no plans to resign. has this mueller investigation to fully cooperate with that and announced a series of reforms.
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we can talk about how serious those are or not. did anybody expect that roger good ell was going to anything more than this? >> no, whatever he said yesterday was going to be too little too late. and that is part and parcel with the fact this is a controversy that he has a hand in creating. he has been too lenient on domestic violence during his tenure and admitted to that, that he was a shortcoming and apologized for and now cry trying to correct. >> in terms of reform, working with the players union and apparently this is a big step for commissioner, to develop a new code of conduct. are these real reforms he announced yesterday? >> he was very vague. short on specifics, the only specific thing the commissioner offered us yesterday, no, he's not going to resign. he thinks he has the confidence of all 32 nfl owners. as far as working to be more
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strict with player conduct, he has a record of being strict just ask new orleans saints fans and players and coach sean payton during the bounty-gate scandal. for whatever reason he has been lenient with regards to domestic violence, whether he needs to be more educated, going forward they are going to try to do that. my question and wasn't one that was well answered by the commissioner yesterday, ray rice was not the first case of domestic violence that the league has seen. why just now do you feel the need to be educated on this? >> it was during the saints investigation that he talked about how ignorance is not an excuse and one of the stories is telling that he didn't know about this video, ignorant of it. thanks for joining us this morning. appreciate that. in the second part of this story yesterday, a big news for roger goodell. espn's investigative unit released an exhaustive 7,000
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word account of what it says was the nfl's handling of the ray rice situation. nbc news has not verified the allegations contained in the report but the report does paint a picture of a coordinated cover-up by the baltimore ravens beginning within hours of first learning of rice's attack on his wife then girlfriend. hours after ray rice's attack, the baltimore ravens director of security darren sanders, reached an atlantic city police officer by phone while watching surveillance video shot from inside the video where rice's punch knocked his fiancee unconscious. he told him happened to be a ravens fan and described in detail what he was saying. the ravens head of security relaid that information to team executives, including the owner and the general manager of the team. in another point, quoting the
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espn report further, ravens also consulted frequently with rice's philadelphia defense attorney michael j. diamondstooin who in early april obtained a copy of the video and said it's expletive horrible. he did not request a copy, urging rice's legal team to get him accepted in a pretrial intervention program after being told the benefits, among them keep the elevator video from becoming public. the report indicates that the team not only knew about the tape and contents from the beginning but also conscious of an effort to cover it up. baltimore ravens responded last night on espn.com outside the lines article contains numerous areas, inaccuracies and false assumptions and misunderstandings, ravens will address all of these next week in baltimore after a trip to cleveland for sunday's game against the browns. now here to discuss all of this developments this week and big
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stories, we have amy holmes, the hot list and white house correspondent for buzz feed and david corn, for mother jones magazine. it's not every day you see this kind of -- sort of drive the news media in new york. this is the cover on the goodell press conference and you can see, that's it, that's the cover. the rival tab lloyd, new york post, that's it. exact same headline and picture. these papers hire the best and brightest most creative minds to come up with these and come up with the exact same thing. what else is there to say? >> i think it was pretty obvious, that was everybody's reaction, someone clearly gave him a crisis manager who said go out there and say you were wrong and say nothing else, promise better results in the future and stuck toe that script and said it again and again. this guy got paid $44 million in
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2012. i'll take $10 million for the job and say more at the next press conference. >> maybe is it his job not to say -- >> it looks like it's to make the nba look good. >> the key phrase here, too little too late. anything short of the resignation was not going to be satisfactory. this is big business, this is all about money. ray rice, he's still going to get his paycheck, which is something close to $700,000 per game. per game, people. so is it any surprise that there is a cover-up of this player's obvious sli monsterous behavior. it reminds me of the old studio system where actors were getting into all sort of scrapes and studios would cover it up and do the marketing spin. the only surprise here is the nfl, which is generally a genius at marketing what is basically an entakenment product got it so badly in this instance.
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>> that is the press conference they give when they think they can weather it, they are not weathering it. he can't keep going forward with this kind of message. >> are you saying he pulled a christie? >> i think -- >> hey, now. >> we'll talk about that, tomorrow's show -- >> the nfl thing goes beyond ray rice and domestic violence. the idea they have to learn about things like home phobia when it comes to michael sam and controversy about the washington nfl team name and now domestic violence, this is a picture of an organization that has no clue about the modern world. it is like an active scene and nothing he said will solve these problems. >> i don't think it's having no clue, it's having an investment in money that the nfl makes. >> now the former fbi director, robert mueller, he is a really straight shooter. i'm not sure it's good news for roger goodell, to put this on
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another plate for a while. but if he digs in, that espn story, you quoted all of the right portions so people don't have to read the 7,000 words but it paints a picture of them not wanting to know. >> they don't want to see the video because then -- >> the espn story does two things, an shall yu with the ravens organization and among other things, a couple of things that jumped out to me, john harbaugh, the coach, apparently early on in this thing wanted ray rice released. it was the higher ups in the organization, including the general manager who were saying no and looking back and saying ravens, ray lewis, the linebacker had been charged with homicide about ten years ago, we got through this, we're going to have no problem -- this is the most extraordinary thing. we have this apparently, this is an espn article, the owner of ravens, sent ray rice two text messages, first text message, ray, just want to let you know
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we loved you as a player it was great having you here. hopefully all of these things will die down. i wish the best for you and janay. when you're done with football i would like you to know you have a job helping young guys getting acclimated to the league. >> why is there a 7,000 word investigation? there should be two words, you're fired. most of us would be fired for this kind of thing. these are very highly paid entertainers, i don't know if they have a morality clause in the contracts but we don't need former fbi directors, roll tape, get the guy out of there. >> i think that for all of the sort of slickness from the outside and how strong it looks and powerful it looks as an organization and business, it's really rick ety and very archaic and needs a lot of advantage. . if he thinks he can do it maybe he can do it. >> the poll came out this week, 90% of people don't care about these scandals when they think about watching the nfl.
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it's about them, it's about getting the game on sunday. we'll talk about this after the game on sunday because the game on sunday is when we make our money. so unless there's really a pinch in the pocketbook. >> all of the players and marketing around the uniforms. >> i think you're right. a lot of people have looked at the sort of the way this investigation is structured with mueller taking over. you have a couple of owners overseeing it but i think he is somebody who values his reputation. this is a legit investigation. >> this could go down other paths as well. when you put bobby mueller on the trail, he may find more than you want him to. >> that press conference, may not satisfy people but that does not mean it is the end of this. but also, other questions this morning including about how the guy got into the white house overnight. we'll be talking about that as soon as we come back. male annou] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep.
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as we mentioned at the top of the show, the news breaking overnight, that a man who jumped over the fence at the white house, this is not exactly an uncommon occurrence but made it all the way inside the front door before he was apprehended. he have scaled the fence shortly after 7:00 p.m. and sprinted across the north lawn and tackled inside the north portico entrance to the white house. this happened minutes after president obama and his daughters departed the white house on the south lawn for camp david. it triggered an evacuation of the west wing and prompted fesh criticism of the secret service. jason chaffetz, asking, was the door open, seriously? the secret service said the man is unarmed and the incident is
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under investigation. keeping the white house successful means there will be fence jumpers from time to time but location of jumper's arrest is not acceptable. we'll go live to white house correspondent kristen welker live on the white house north lawn. kristen, good morning. the question everybody is asking, maybe somebody gets over the fence. how does the guy get into the white house? >> reporter: that's the big question this morning. you're absolutely right. it all happened behind me. this is the north lawn. that fence jumper who secret service officials identified as 42-year-old omar gonzalez of texas jumped over the north lawn fence and ran up the north lawn and got right into the portico doors, that is the residence, he was apprehended in there. he didn't make it far once he was inside. it is incredibly disconcerting. so secret service officials trying to get to the root of it. they say the location of his
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arrest is absolutely unacceptable and trying to get to the bottom of how it possibly could have happened. one of the things they tell me he wasn't carrying a back pack, he didn't seem to be armed. they believe he may have been mentally disturbed and wasn't taken to the hospital for mental evaluation after being apprehended. the first family wasn't here. they had just left for camp david. no one was injured and no shots fired. to put this into context, i worked at the white house for three plus years, never experienced anything like this. there are fence jumpers but they usually only make it a few feet on the north lawn before they are apprehended. we usually go into lockdown. this was entirely different because the entire press corps had to leave along with white house staffers. i spoke with veteran white house correspondents who also say they've never experienced anything like that before. so this is really unusual. something that the see kretd service is going to have to get
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to bottom of. >> kristen welker, appreciate that update. we'll turn back now to the panel. i mean, as kristen says, i haven't covered the white house but assume if there's one most secure place in the world anywhere it's the white house. >> why would we assume that after michelle saleh hi. >> this is the party crasher. he was tweeting about it this week, if you don't think isis can get into the white house, ask the moron real housewives, took photos of herself shaking the hands of president and vice president, had a grand old time. this is disgraceful. what if he had a suicide belt? >> it sounds like you have a personal story. >> i spent a lot of time in the white house covering it. i was stunned by this, a couple of years ago i had a radio logical medical test, wasn't a deal but walked the entrance near he jumped.
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alarms went off and special s.w.a.t. team dealing with radiological issues, descended upon me. and it really was a matter of seconds. i don't even know where they came from. it was like they came out of the ground. i had to call my doctor and everything was fine. it was very impressive how fast they acted on something that was even unfamiliar to the general guards. it was not a usual -- >> that's the reaction that everybody assumes. >> we've all been there, like kristen says, when they have been jumpers and get 6 or 7 feet because they have people watching the front and they can see somebody come up to the fence and they start climbing and actually sometimes meet the person. but you're right, a suicide vest can do tremendous damage. >> he got through the front door. >> the front doors at the white house are open usually no one gets there unless they are invited. >> the evolution of security at the white house, 20 years ago, you go back to harry truman's
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day and find a guy with a gun walking up to the white house, no fence, no secret service swarming around him. we've come a long way from there but maybe not far enough. we have to turn to the release this morning of by isis of four dozen turkish hostages. they were greeted by the prime minister and captured from the turkish consulate in june. turkish state-run news agency reports no ransom was paid and no conditions were accepted in return for their release. comes after a week in which both chambers of congress voted to approve president obama's plan to arm and train moderate rebels and attempt to put weapons in the hands of those good insurgents and out of the hands of extreme insurgent. the vote this week clears the house and senate. this is the funding forearming and training of syrian rebels, a lot of people both sides were saying there should be a much
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more robust debate. but no debate and no vote beyond this after the election. >> this is the war that nobody wants, everybody thinks we should have and nobody knows how to do. this is just continually happening this way. you have the -- we've heard stories reporting the general is not happy with how obama is trying to operate the war. congress wants to have more vote but don't know what they exactly want either. the situation is very strange in that you have a president who promised he would sort of do these kind of congressional authorizations not doing it to rely on more bush style war. and then on the other hand you have congress sort of saying very clearly, like, we really rather not get too involved with this and let you do this. they want to be able to criticize him and he wants to go ahead and do what he wants. >> the weird thing to me, sort of this weird bipartisan coalitions, you have nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell, who i don't think have ever agreed or anything. they obviously agree, let's take
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this past the table. >> this is the kick the can down the road vote and not having a full debate on this. 70% of the american public doesn't have confidence that the president's quote/unquote plan is going to -- we just reported about the turkish hostages being released. if you think there wasn't a deal there, i've got some moderate syrian rebels to introduce you to. nobody believes there is such a thing that 5,000 moderate rebels can overthrough assad and isis. the american people don't understand what is going on in washington. >> you're right, 70% say they don't think this can work. but 68% support the plan, the president's actions. basically the public wants the president to make this mess go away, do something. >> do something. >> this could be one of those situations in life you try to teach your kids about this, no answers. there are no good solutions. every solution could have a set of unintended consequences that are worse than the actual benefits. >> david, but where is the left
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with alloweder outcry about what's about to happen with iraq and syria? >> whoa, it's not the left's -- >> i think back to the bush years. >> obligation here -- pushed for a debate and yet congress is saying we would rather criticize than vote. >> the only protesters were pink code. >> that's where -- >> the groups protesting the iraq war and move on and howard dean's democracy for america and other groups, they were out there protesting. they were out there saying they didn't want this vote to happen and telling people not to vote for this. >> the question is after the election, is there going to be -- there going to be a more robust vote? >> no. >> no. >> we'll have to revisit the
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syrian authorization but they can swoop that into another bill. the leader members of congress don't want a debate. it was one of the house republicans that said i'll explain it to you very clearly, we would rather step back and if something goes good we can say great and if it goes back we can cite size and we have no responsibility. that's how they mostly want to approach the vote. there's a big difference between protesting the invasion of iraq, which is on false pretenses with no plan but what to do afterwards gave us the situation now, trying to figure out how to deal with actually a real problem which is isis, not necessarily -- >> david, isis is embedded in towns and villages in syria and iraq. if you think air bombs -- >> i'm not defending this but trying to come -- >> we have no plan. >> there is a plan, you may not like it and may not work but to say there is no plan is wrong. >> we have a president of the united states saying that our -- >> trying to do something and not lying to the public about it
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and not blunder busing us by sending in hundreds and thousands of americans into a situation with no plan what to -- >> this white house is not telling us the truth. >> about what? >> general dempsey this week testified that obama told him to come to him about combat troops on a case by case basis. the white house then comes out, no dempsey was mistaken, the president said no such thing. gave a speech i never suggested combat troops. >> he hasn't. >> they cannot get the story straight. >> this is not compared to say we're going to war in iraq over wmds. >> this is not going to go away between now and election or on this show. that is a preview of a debate we might be having. thanks for joining us this morning. david, we'll talk to you more later. the latest twist in what has become the most closely watched and probably most consequential senate race in america. that's next. this is where i met your grandpa.
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the biggest news in the battle forle control of the u.s. senate comes from the state of kansas, where the republican secretary of state chris kobach to agreed to print ballots without the name of any democrat on them. democratic candidate chad taylor dropped out of the race more than two weeks ago and on thursday, the kansas supreme court ruled that he had to remove chad taylor from the ballot. kobach responded by they demanded the name of a replacement candidate. any democratic candidate would give a boost to pat roberts. with taylor's name still on the ballot, roberts was running ahead of greg orman, according to a fox news poll released earlier this week. without taylor on the ballot, orman zoomed ahead, by six points. it's not yet clear if he still intends to try to force democrats to name a candidate.
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he warns the overseas voters will be told they may may have to revote after balance ballots are mailed on saturday. it was called a safety measure to comply with the law. this is kansas, since the year 1932, 82 years ago, this was not a seat that anyone thought republicans wore in danger of losing until a few weeks ago. is it now officially finally a one on one race in kansas between pat roberts and orman or will there be another twist in what is the wildest senate race in the country? joining me now, garrett hak, action news in kansas city. thanks for joining us. that question, the ballots are going out, no democrat on them but doesn't sound like he's done fighting this thing yet, is that right? >> he's going to keep trying but may be out of options to force the issue. state democrats have shown absolutely no appetite to hold a
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convention or do anything else to put a democratic name on the ballot. they were perfectly happy to sit on her hands and rally around orman because they would love, absolutely love to take down pat roberts. barring a really serious legal move to absolutely force them and it's unclear if he has the power to do that, statewide democrats are happy to stay out of this and let it be the one on one race. >> many ddemocrats are putting chips on. of course that could be kansas as we know now could be the state that decides the senate if greg orman were to win the race. covering him and listening to him, what is your read on him? are democrats making a good bet there? >> i think so. he flirted about the run for senate in 2008 as a democrat and recruited at that time, backed off before it was time to file the paperwork. when you look at where he stands on the issues, he clearly leans
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left and thinks there should be background checks for firearms -- >> he said he voted for romney in 2012. >> that's entirely possible but if you look at 2008 who he donated money too, he was giving money to barack obama and hillary clinton. his other major donation was to scott brown, who's another sort of party shifting creature who had to do the exact same dance he has to do in being an independent but sort of a democrat and not really allowing himself to get pinned down on the issues that might paint him into a corner. by the way saying he voted for romney is not a negative in kansas. romney was up 20-some odd points in this state. that's part of this calculus he has to make to be as independent as possible and appeal to the mod ral wing of the republican party. republicans control the state so thoroughly, you can't have a d behind your name and make a credible challenge here but you can have moderate leaning positions and be a republican or independent and do quite well here. it's not -- kansas isn't as sort
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of angrily conservatives as other states that have been red for so long. it is a pragmatic state, like we're going to be fiscally conservative because we don't know if it might rain next year or not. the attitude is different from other places and that kind of baby splitting down the middle if you will will serve him well. >> there's a report i think in the "new york times" this morning, bob dole, mr. kansas, former presidential candidate and former republican senate leader, 91 years old, will be backing kansas this coming monday to campaign with pat roberts, he apparently cut an ad on pat roberts behalf yesterday, cut a television ad. obviously, a sign of how nervous pat roberts is about this, they are bringing in somebody like bob dole for this. somebody like bob dole have much sway in kansas anymore. >> absolutely. he's probably the second most popular person in kansas. he still has enormous pull here politically and represents a tradition in kansas politics that a lot of people are proud of, that centrist deal making
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idea, you look at other politicians in the state, governor brownback in the tough race, steered the stay party away from the model and proudly fist pumpingly conservative and that turned people off. i think having bob dole out or cut an ad will help pat roberts reclaim some kansas authenticity that he got battered for lacking in the primary race against milton wolf. >> the revelations about his residence about pat roberts and i guess the recliner not doing his campaign any favors. thank you. really appreciate the insight. i'm sure we'll call on you again between now and november. still ahead, illinois governor pat quinn is trying to save his political career. it would maybe be the most i am probable comeback this election year if he can pull it off. we'll talk to governor quinn. 'cause red lobster's one and only endless shrimp is now! endless choices! endless variety!
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this was going to be a huge coup for republicans because illinois is not just a blue state, it's a really blue state and also president obama's home state. then this week, all of a sudden, a new poll showing quinn ahead by 11 points was released and this was a huge swing of fortune in this race. quinn has done it apparently by taking a page from president obama's 2012 populist campaign play book. treated his opponent, a multimillionaire in the private equity field as the second coming of mitt romney, not only against raising the current minimum wage but once favored eliminating it all together. meanwhile quinn is pushing for a minimum wage increase, even spent a week living on $8.25 an hour. he has clear vulnerabilities in
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the race. another federal subpoena went out in relation to how money was spent or perhaps misspent on an anti-violent initiative championed by quinn and questions about the hiring practice in state government, bypassing court ordered measures for patronage jobs. they thought they did have him beat until a few weeks ago but has he now turned the tables on them? governor pat quinn from illinois, he joins us live next. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪
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at your political positioning and said you're a governor who is in trouble and that poll caught them by surprise. what has happened to give you an apparently a significant lead in the poll in illinois right now? >> well, polls come and go. i work hard every day, the election is 45 days from today. 90 if you don't sleep. i haven't been sleeping that much. when you campaign, you have to go across the state. we have a big state and one of the most important issues is raising the minimum wage. we have a referendum on the pal lot this november 4th and want people to come out and vote yes for raising the minimum wage to at least $10 in our state. my opponent, who is a billionaire, with nine homes, is for eliminating the minimum wage. there's a real choice that people have and there's a principle as old as the bible. shouldn't have to live in poverty. that's what raising the minimum wage is all about.
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we have a grass roots campaign, what i've done inmy life, organize people at the grass roots. >> your opponent admitted he previously doesn't support the concept of the minimum wage but now no longer holds that position. illinois's level is 8.25 an hour. there's a nonbinding referendum on ballot in november. you're for it. the criticism of you and your opponents made this, you're a democratic governor and have a democratic state legislature, in a democratic state, been in office for five years, if you want the minimum wage increase, why has not it been increased while you've been governor? >> we've done it before. we did it in 2003 and in 2006. i was part of the effort that raised -- >> since you've become governor in 2009. >> yeah. we build a majority. that's how you win. the best way to get this done this year to have the voice of the people of our state encourage legislators of both parties to vote yes on raising the minimum wage. there was a poll that came out the other day showing
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substantial public support for this issue. but that's how -- we just passed marriage equality last year in illinois. and we did it by building a majority. that's what democrat is all about. and i've been involved in passing petitions and putting referendums on the ballot my whole political life. and sometimes you go to the ballot box with the people to get the politicians to listen better. >> the same poll that shows you now running ahead of your republican opponents also shows your overall approval rating still not exactly that robust. clocks in at 36%, your approval rating in the same poll that has you running ahead. maybe one of the reasons, you were faced with something a lot of governors were faced with, pension shortfall, the economy crashed, revenue was deprived in your state. you did something that a lot of governors didn't do. you raised taxes it was a 67% increase in the personal income tax rate in illinois. that was scheduled when you passed that in 2011, it was
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supposed to be a temporary increase in the state personal income tax that would begin expiring next year. you are now telling voters that you want to keep the tax increase permanently, is that correct? >> well, i believe in taxes should be based on ability to pay. in illinois, we've added 668,000 people to health care coverage under the affordable care act. and i want to make sure we properly invest in things like health and education and public safety. and my proposal also puts major property tax relief as well as tax reform, including doubling the value of earned income tax credit, really the best way to go is to take on what my opponent wants to do, give himself a million dollar tax cut, he's a billionaire, wants a billion dollar tax cut and shift the burden on people living
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paycheck to paycheck, slash taxes on garbage pick up and stuff. that's unfair. >> i have to ask you though because we think so much about the cynicism out there towards politics and politicians in general. it exists towards leaders in both parties. and i look at this issue of the tax increase you did in illinois and you're making a case for why the state needs the revenue and what the revenue pays for and you are making a compelling case for that. but at the same time, when you guys put this tax increase through in 2011, you said it would be temporary. it seems to me that if you say a tax increase is 67% tax increase going to be temporary, you schedule it to be temporary then once it's on the books start saying well, actually we need the money and it pays for this and that. doesn't that contribute to the public cynicism? >> well, what i said when i signed the proposal four years ago, i said with respect to any taxes we have to look at it every day, every week, every month, every year. i did not say that this
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particular matter would not be reexamined. i said when i signed the bill, we have to take a look at it as the situation presents itself. illinois has made a very good economic comeback, we've had steepest decline in unemployment in the last 30 years in our state. the other day we announced 13,800 new jobs. unemployment is down, jobs are up. but at the same time, we don't want to hurt our recovery by having extreme radical cuts in our education, our health care and public safety. these are fundamental things that helped our economy come back. we inherited this mess from george bush and the great recession and i don't want to have that happen to our state. some things we have happening in kansas we don't want happening in illinois that will harm our economic recovery. >> your opponent the republican is trying to hit you on issues of corruption and the political
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tradition, three recent governors have gone to prison out there. one thing he's talking about is a hiring scandal involving the department of transportation out there where there's been an inspector general who said the last decade there have been 245 people, largely these are friends politically connected to major democratic politicians, you might call them cronies who have gotten jobs they were not supposed to get. supposed to be anti-patronage mechanisms in place and 245 people got these jobs. your adds mrgs announced this week a lot of those people you say you decided they should keep their jobs. why when the public's trustd was sort of short circuited like that should people in those jobs keep them? >> it's a little more complicated than you just described. the inspector general is independent. i gave by law an executive order the inspector general authority overlooking at any matters of
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hiring, whether it's in that department or any other department. the inspector general issued a report, gave it to me. i followed every single recommendation and went beyond that, putting a merit board together for that department of transportation, i appointed a new secretary of transportation. a decorated veteran, rhodes scholar who will follow the hiring rules to the tee and carrying out the mission of the inspector general outline for all of us. whenever you see a problem in government, i take action. i take responsibility. i'm running against someone who is a private equity person and had a health care company, that the us attorney in georgia said took $13 million from medicaid and didn't provide proper care to vulnerable people. there's a clear difference. that person, my opponent ran out the door collecting millions of dollars with his company. i think it's important when something doesn't go right, you take responsibility and take
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action. i'm running against somebody who only takes the money. >> there's also stories this weekend about more federal subpoenas that went out this week and your former chief of staff subpoenaed in relation to this issue with the neighborhood recovery initiative. anti-violence initiative your administration undertook around chicago five years. a major issue in chicago right now. this is a $55 million program and audit found it was hastily implemented and failed to target the highest crime areas and relied on chicago politicians in terms of distributing the money. the question i would ask you, again, we see this history in illinois of corrupt government and lack of faith people have in government in illinois. people looking at your administration saying you've been there for five years, there's the department of transportation issue and this issue with this federal investigation. would it be fair for people to look at it and say pat quinn, maybe he means well but hasn't changed the culture of government in illinois?
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>> that's exactly wrong. i have changed the culture of government in illinois. i inherited a mess when i became governor. we have one governor, former governor in jail and another one going to jail. we've passed strong ethics laws i enforced and got recall passed as a constitutional amendment and reform our pension systems. my opponent got $50 million from one of our pension systems when it turned out that he had a swindler on the pension board on his payroll. so there is a need for strong ethics all the time. that's what i've done my whole life in illinois and the voters know that. it's going to be a tough campaign. i'm running against a billionaire who has more money than king midas but we have grass roots democracy. >> it is a dogfight in illinois this year, governor, we thank you for your time. i should note we also invited bruce rauner on the show and would love to talk to him and hope to do so soon.
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the world is waking up it morning to the news that isis released more than four dozen turkish hostages overnight. they were captured from the turkish consulate in mosul back in june when isis overran the city. the state-run news agency reports no ransom was paid and no conditions were accepted in return for their release. here at home there is this. an intruder made it inside the white house last night. he didn't get very far the but the man did manage to make it inside the front door on the north side of the white house before he was tackled. for more on both of these developments, kristen welker joins us now live from the north lawn. white house. kristen, there was a lot of activity where you were last night. i guess one of the questions is, this man made it inside then apprehended. do we know what happens to him now? >> well, he was taken to an area hospital for evaluation. police believe he may have been suffering from some type of
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mental disorder. he was taken into police custody. and he was charged with unlawful entry. so clearly, he is in the hands of law enforcement at this moment. but the question is, steve, how could this have happened? of course, fence jumpers not unusual here at the white house, but usually they are apprehended almost immediately after they jump over the fence. it is incredibly unusual for someone to actually make their way all the way across the north lawn and you see this instagram video captured the moments, all the way across the north lawn and enters the doors of the north portico into the residence where the first family lives. we want to be clear, the first family was not at home. they already left for camp david. the man identified as 42-year-old owe march gonzalez was apprehended once he entered the north portico doors and officials say he wasn't carrying a bag, he didn't seem to be armed. no shots were fired. no one was injured but the secret service obviously taking
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this very seriously. they say that it's just not acceptable where he was arrested. so they are trying to get to the bottom of how exactly that happened. i asked if anyone was placed on administrative leave and they wouldn't answer that. no response to that question. this morning there was another sweep of the white house north lawn. we had to go back inside to our work quarters while secret quarters conducted another sweep. they won't confirm that it is related to the events of last night but all indications are it was a follow-up to the fact that someone was able to access the residence and we're waiting for actual confirmation on that. they are trying to get to the bottom of how this could have happened and prevent it from happening in the future. for a little context, i worked here more than three years. i've never experienced anyone actually entering the residence. i've spoken to veteran reporters an they can't remember a time when this has ever happened. so pretty incredible events here
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last night. >> kristen, quickly on the question of syria, the release of the 49 hostages overnight. you mentioned this could have implications for the president as he tries to assemble this international coalition against isis, earlier this month you said that, excuse me. can you elaborate? are you hearing from the white house what this might do for that? >> well, the white house is trying to build this international coalition. turkey certainly would be key to that. they have one of the largest militaries in nato. they have an air base that the united states would like to use. there's not a whole lot of optimism though that because these hostages have been released that all of a sudden turkey is going to provide more robust military support in part because they have commercial interests in the area. they share borders with iraq and syria. u.s. officials will clearly continue to press turkey for any type of military aid they can offer because this international coalition is really key to president obama's strategy to defeating isis, administration
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officials say so far more than 40 countries have pledged some type of assistance but they are not being very clear about what that assistance is going to look like and which countries are pledging what. we know that the united states has launched more than 170 air strikes so far. france launched its first air strikes on friday. so clearly france is on board there. but president obama wants ground troops from partners and allies in the region and we're not getting specifics where the ground troops are going to come from. president obama very insistent he's not going to put u.s. forces into combat roles and the president heads to the general assembly next week and this coalition building is going to be a key part of his goals once he arrives there in new york. steve? >> kristen welker, nbc news at the white house. appreciate your time this morning. both chambers of congress backed the president's plan by commanding majorities. the bipartisan breakdown of who
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voted for the measure and also ged it led to strange pairpairi not often you see rubio voting differently than paul. rand paul voted against the president's strategy and you don't see elizabeth warren and rand paul on the same side of the vote. only an hour or so before the senate vote, even democrats in the leadership were talking about reigning in the president. dick durbin told reporters when democrats come back after the election, they would draft and vote on a new authorization for the use of military force. it's long overdue, durbin said. the last two passed more than a decade ago. the obamaed args made clear, they intend to act with or without authorization from congress. >> i'm asking, do it. pass it. we would love to have you do it. but we're not going to get stuck in the situation when we have
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the authority of not exercising our authority to do what we believe we need to do to protect the country. >> joining us now is new york congressman hakim jefferies, and former dnc chairman, howard dean, called the iraq war the biggest blunder in the history of foreign policy. you may not be alone in saying that anymore. governor dean, the vote taken this week and house and senate, did they vote the right way in your mind? >> well, yes and no. i'm not a big fan of arming the moderates -- so-called moderates because they are incredibly ineffective. we've dealt with arming people who mail or may not be our friends before, which is one of the reasons why we have such terrible trouble in afghanistan. i am very much in favor of the president's air strategy. i actually think regarding your report about turkey, that that's great news for the turks and their families and we should all be celebrating the release but if there was not a deal, i would
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be subjected that the president edogan is becoming something of a megalomaniac. he's likely to do his own country harm in playing games with the isis people. >> you voted against that this week. your party's leadership in favor. take us through your thought process. >> i certainly support the president's state objective of trying to degrade and destroy isis and also believe that it's probably better, it's certainly better to take the fight to isis abroad rather than wait for isis to strike us here at home. but that said, in terms of the amendment that was before us, relating to arming and training the so-called moderate syrian rebels, i had several concerns with it. when you think about that part of the world and in syria right now, in particular, you've got an incredibly broad set of bad
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actors, whether that's the assad government, iran, hezbollah, elements connected to al qaeda and isis, that's just a toxic mix, tough neighborhood and hard to think any good can come of intense engagement and involvement. the second problem i had is that even if you could identify moderates as part of the free syrian army, which is unclear, that's a question mark, it still remains uncertain that you can convince the rebels to turn against is is because their state objective has been to take down the assad regime. the syrian rebels have been fighting alongside isis as part of the objective of taking down the assad regime. lastly to governor's dean's point. if you are able to convince and identify moderate syrian rebels in the short term, there's a great possibility that eventually the weaponry and
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training and sophistication that we provide to them in the short term may be used against our interests sometime there after. and the combination of things led me to come to the conclusion i was not comfortable in voting yes on the amendment that was before us but now that it's been passed, we have to stand behind the president over the next several months and authorization is good until december 11th. and then when we get back to congress we have to figure out a way forward. >> what is -- peetder welch, from your state from vermont voted against that. you have people like dick durbin saying, when we come back after the election we're going to revisit this and have a much broader debate and talk about changing the authorization from 2001 and 2002 and making it sort of modernizing it and peter welsh said let's not full fool ourselves, this was the vote this week. >> maybe so. here's the problem, you have a congress completely present company excluded.
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you can't rely on the majority in the house. they've really brought the country to a stand still and the president, his job is to govern the united states and do the right thing from the united states. he has not help by the other side whatsoever. >> this is neither party's leadership wanted to be voting on this. this wasn't just republicans. >> you know, i'm not going to delve into the motivation of people who i haven't discussed this with. >> they weren't calling for it. >> again, this is inside the beltway hair splitting about who might have done what. i try not to play that game to the best of my ability. the fact is, i think it's a good idea to go back to the constitutional requirements that you can't declare war without a congressional resolution. this i think falls under the rubric of defending the country. i don't think we declared war. we're trying to put down a terrorist organization, a direct threat to the united states by their own admission.
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i'm not entirely clear you have to have a congressional resolution. but the one thing i do agree with dick durbin about, i'm a huge fan of, this ougtd tok a publicly discussed item and this was not the right time to do it. it couldn't be done on this short notice with a continuing resolution and the 45 days left to the election. i think it is a good idea to come back and do this in december. i give the president full credit for leading the country when the majority in the congress won't. >> do you think when you come back in december, do you think you're going to have a more robust debate on this and broader vote. >> i think the country deserves a more robust vote. there's a lot of war fatigue. we had a debacle in iraq. we had a debacle in afghanistan. it cost us time and treasure as well as thousands of american lives killed and ruined. and so there's reason to be very skeptical about getting entangled in another complicated middleeastern conflict.
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for that reason alone, congress has to have a robust debate. if you look back at the two authorizations to use military force, the one in 2001 relates specifically to those responsible for the attack on september 11th, al qaeda. and the one in 2002 relates to operations and threats presented by the iraqi government. neither of those two instances are what are directly involved in the context of isis. so to fall within the boundaries of the law moving forward, if this is going to be a protracted military engagement, i think it's appropriate for congress to consider another authorization, whether the votes exist to move forward is an open question. >> that's sort of the issue too, isis didn't exist when they came to fruition. although they did come out of al qaeda. next, we're going to turn to the race for the white house and distinct possibility that hillary clinton's biggest challenge for the democratic nomination could come from
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one of the loudest voices of opposition on the vote to train and arm syrian rebels came from vermont's bernie sanders who caucuses with democrats and hasn't made foreign policy a major point of emphasis, but that may be changing because he's looking to run for president and the woman he's looking to run against, embodies the more hawkish wing. she was working a big crowd at last week's steak fry in iowa, bernie sapders was also in the state for three events of his own. his crowds were significantly
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smaller but it was further evidence that sanders, a self-described democratic social lift is looking to run for president. we had him on the show recently and had a chance to ask him about his plans. >> i am a united states senator. did get 71% of the vote when i ran for re-election in vermont. we have a national constituency. i'm giving thought to running for president of the united states. i don't know that i will. if there are other people out there better than i, can take that message, that's fine too. >> if bernie sanders does decide to run, will he run as an independent or democrat? >> truth is profound anger at both political parties, more and more people are coming independent but how do you set up a 50-state infrastructure running as an independent. >> the new poll shows 5% in iowa, far, far behind hillary clinton, not surprisingly there. but remember, clinton actually finished third in iowa back in 2008. disproportionate sway in the caucuses and does seem to be a
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growing movement within the democratic party for the kind of economic liberalism that sanders embodies. this is the paerlt after all in which elizabeth warren is now a rock star and law school professor somehow won a third of the vote in half of the counties against the sitting governor of new york in a primary earlier this month. let's say bernie sanders does run for president. sanders versus clinton in the democratic primary. what will that race look like and be about? what will happen? joining me now is alex sites wald, former aid to hillary clinton and former dn chxt chairman howard dean, governor from bernie sanders home state of vermont. alex, you recently reported on bernie sanders and you have a good sense of what he's up to politically here. sanders versus clinton. i assume he'll run as a democrat. what does that race look like? >> i mean, it's -- you can look back at 2008 when hillary clinton came in third in iowa,
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barack obama was able to capture the kind of progressive angst and anti-interventionist angst and the iraq war really sank her. that exists on pt ground. activists want somebody to take up the mantle and there's nobody to do it. it might come to bernie sanders to take that up. i was there saturday night at the church in des moines, 400 people totally fired up, three standing ovations, i was genuinely surprised, more people there than at the vice president of united states event three days later. >> what is your read of him as a politician? does he want to run? is this somebody who feels he's being dragged into it or maybe he's had presidential ambitions all along and found an opening there. >> there's an old joke i can give you a list of 100 senators that want to be president. it's something that i'm sure crossed his mind but i think he sees an open field that is his for the taking. somebody needs to capture that. he told me if he runs he wants
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to win. he's not just doing it to raise issues and be a protest can date. he wants to take a genuine shot at winning. but it will raise anti-wall street sentiment and it will force clinton to sharpen her positions and defend herself in a lot of places she's vulnerable from the left. >> that's interesting to me, the contrast of watching the hillary clinton event in iowa at tox harkin steak fry. they don't fry the steaks, it's totally misnamed. and watching her there, listening to bernie sanders in recent interviews and speeches. his message is much more -- probably always has been, much more pointed than what hillary clinton is saying. how much of an appetite is there on the left for what he said? >> i think there is some appetite but i also want to get away from the notion that there's some sort of dichotomious relationship they have to policy within the democratic party. it's not an either/or, there are room for hillary clintons ideas
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and bernie sanders' ideas, in terms of the language used in this populist economic empowerment, i think all of those are important issues but hillary clinton is also talking about them. she was at the center for american progress earlier this week talking about women's economic freedom. i think even within -- even within the context of how people are couching her, she's still able to talk about the issues that i think broad range of voters in the party can latch on to. >> governor dean, from vermont, you probably remember when bernie sanders was a perennial candidate in the city of burlington. got himself elected as a socialist, did you think that in the year 2014 you would be talking about bernie sanders maybe running for president? >> i was a perennial candidate getting 2 to 3% of the vote. the vote was split. he was doing a good job running the city but was contempt uous of the constituents and he won
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by ten votes. after four terms as mayor earned the respect of the business community, not just the progressives and why is that? because even though he's tough and has business most people would not call him pro-business, he keeps his word. if he should get into this race -- i'm supporting hillary, not because i don't -- i dislike bernie sanders but been with hillary for over a year. if he gets in, it won't be a bad primary. he does not do dirty politics. he sticks to the issues. and the issues are important that he's raising for the country, not just the democratic party. this is not going to be -- you guys all portrayed the left and hillary and all of this stuff. this is an issue for bernie about principle and stuff that needs to be addressed. now is the time that needs to be addressed on an actual level more than ever before. income inequality, corporations left the mandate to leave behind and in it for the money and
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screwing consumers and don't care anymore. i remember integration and no more. bernie wants a time where people stand up and do the right thing for working people. that's what he cares about. >> the economic message and we'll talk about that in a minute. this week it was foreign policy, it was syria. it was a little bit some shades of 2008 in what hillary encountered from the left on iraq. in relation to syria. we'll talk about that comparison, whether it's apt or not when we come back. oks like e about to board. mm-hmm. i'm just comparing car insurance rates at progressive.com. is that where they show the other guys' rates, too? mm-hmm. cool. yeah. hi. final boarding call for flight 294. [ bells ring on sign ] [ vehicle beeping ] who's ready for the garlic festival? this guy! bringing our competitors' rates to you -- now, that's progressive.
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[ applause ] there's something sadly that in today's world is not practiced very much at all. >> that is bernie sanders in iowa last week talking about the prospect of the sanders versus clinton match-up in 2016. governor dean, talk about the issue of syria. this is -- i'm a little curious on. this time around, hillary clinton is not in the senate, doesn't have to vote on this this week but she is on the record saying she favored early on -- >> syria is not going to be the same divide iraq was. the reason i came out against iraq is not because i'm a political dof, it's because i was reading british papers putting mi6 information in there. there was no weapons of mass destruction or atomic program and cheney kept hinting there might be. if there was, it was five years out. the brits and intelligence people, close working intelligence agencies in the world, if they knew it, we knew
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it. we went to war under false pretenses. i've been there before. vietnam. not going to happen. this is different. when you start beheading people on television in front of millions of people, there is no sympathy on the left for isis. >> no, i don't mean to draw -- i don't mean to draw an exact comparison. what i'm asking though, there is so much war fatigue in this country and that exists on left and right -- >> that's why the dividing line whether he should or should not have our troops there and the answer is the president has said no. i don't think hillary is going there either. >> how is hillary seen in the democratic party on the issue of sort of -- she's seen as the more hawkish between these two, certainly, the more hawkish one. i see if we get sucked into it, why are we over there and doing this, does that work against her, she was far iraq, she was for arming the guys early.
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bernie sanders was against it early. >> it's kind of incredible in a democratic debate in 2015, we'll have a question will you put troops in iraq. ? i sat down in iowa with a sen yor person in hillary's campaign, been involved in iowa politics for 25 years. who are you scared of on the democratic side? i had a dream the other night about bernie sanders. it's that anti-war sent. and iowa caucus, the quirkiness about the iowa caucus worries him. >> i wonder, you look at the national polls, never seen a front-runner like hillary clinton. she's much more of a front-runner now than she was in 2008. and yet you look at the state like iowa and think of a year long campaign out there, somebody like bernie sanders can meet all of these activists and wasn't particularly warm to hillary clinton back in 2008. is she in danger in a state like that? >> part of this is the newance about accessibility, is she going to run a similar campaign
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in 2008 where people felt she was the inevitable candidate and not as accessible as she needed to be. i think that changed. the conversation in 2008 was she was pulling out of iowa then she also -- there was a question about the caucus states, stat gi there and did she have a post new hampshire plan. you'll see that change and the accessibility issue will fall by the wayside. the inevitability question will fall by the wayside as more voices come into the debate. there will be some of the same criticisms early but i think she'll be able to modify that pretty soon. >> i want to ask you, you had the experience of running for president and didn't run a second time but i imagine you look back and you could as a candidate say, if i had had to do over, these are the five things or six things maybe i would do differently. >> once you look back, if i had it to do over, i wouldn't. i think we shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves, hillary clinton has not said she's
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running for president. until she does, she's not in. -- >> i take the accepted steak fry invitation, not the usual activity of a nonpresidential candidate. >> i would have gone out there because tom harkin was a good friend and amazing senator. >> and supported you -- >> yeah. she may or may not be running, certainly doing the things she has to do. until she decides. i know how hard this is. she knows how hard this is because she was in a lot longer than i was. i was done after wisconsin, she went to the end. i would agree there's not going to be a campaign of inevitability. if you do it a second time you learn where the mistakes are and try not to make them again. you can make new mistakes because everybody does. i expect a different kind of campaign staff and very different campaign. i don't expect -- for me it was iowa or bust. if you didn't do well in iowa, you weren't going to go in because i was a relatively
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unknown. for her, this is a four state campaign in the beginning and 50 state campaign. this is why -- this is the our ra of inevitability, if she does it, it's like jeb bush on republican side. he's not leading the polls but the only candidate other than mitt romney should he run with a 50 state organization that can raise national money like that. nobody else can do that. >> we've been talking about is it going to be does she get this nomination if she runs uncontested or not? >> won't run uncontested. this is presidency of the united states. >> she's not going to. we'll see what else bernie sanders does. i want to thank you all for joining us this morning. and alex, we'll see you next on "up against the clock." we have an interesting announcement, may only be the second most important tests one of our contestants will face, the other one will be a middle school math test. we'll tell you what that means next. check out all these airline seats.
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back on may 31st we received a surprising tweet that read, my dream is to be on "up against the clock", can we make this happen? i've gotten every question right so far and went to call it my favorite weekend morning cable political game show. we were obviously flattered by that but here's what caught us off guard. it turns out gabe is only 12 years old. he's not only a bon fid 12-year-old political junky but editor of what he calls "wake up to politics, his very own news letters which featured an exclusive interview with sandra day o'connor. that's interview we wouldn't mind having. followed by doris kearns goodwin, why don't we make gabe's wish come true. standing by to test his knowledge on today's special edition of "up against the clock", gabe fleischer, welcome to the show.
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it's time for "up against the clock". today's contestants, in college he made a 3.5 foot model of rockefeller center, the building he's in right now, say hello to alex siteswold, the political acummen beyond his years. can he compete with the best in the business? it's gabe fleischer. in high school, he was named west chester county junior achiever of the year. please welcome david corn. and now, the host of "up against the clock", steve kornacki! thank you, everyone, tuning in for an exciting edition of up against the clock as 12-year-old
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all-star gabe fleischer competes. we have been looking forward to this all week. for those just joining us and for contestants, i'll explain how this works, it's a fast paced political news and current events quiz. we'll play for three rounds, each 100 seconds long, 100 points in the first round, 200 in the second, 300 in the third. the questions get harder as we go along and also more valuable and contestants, i'll caution, you can ring in at any time but you lose points if you get the question wrong. take that into account. there are two bonus questions scattered in these questions here when we get to them we'll stop the clock and explain them to you. our contestants will be playing today not just for victory, not just for glory, but also for a spot in our tournament of champions at the end of the year to win and qualify for that, your first going to have to win today as always i remind the studio audience, no outburst please. with that contestants i'll turn and ask are you ready to play? >> i am and i'm rooting for
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gabe. >> gabe is ready, alex is ready. >> that means we put 100 seconds on the clock. we begin with this, this elder daughter of president obama has begun taking driving lessons -- >> gabe? >> malia. >> is correct. >> 100 points for gabe. >> maria kantwell proposed legislation that would strip the nfl non-profit -- >> i would say non-profit exemption. >> no answer, take the points off. the non-profit status for continuing to proet the team for this city? >> alex? >> baltimore. >> incorrect. gabe. >> washington. >> washington is correct, 1 hur points for gabe into the early lead. 100-point toss-up question, all 45 seats in the house of representatives are up for election. how long is a house term. >> two years. >> gabe on a roll here.
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36 seats are up for grabs this fall in the united states senate. how many senate seats total are there? >> david? >> 100. >> stop the clock, david, exciting news for you because you answered that question directly, this is the bonus question. the secret hidden video bonus question. this is a quote of note we call it. the quote will be read to you by a special celebrity guest. you will then need to identify who said the quote for an extra 100 points, no risk in guessing on this one. wnbc's david ushery has this week's quote. >> hi, everyone, i'm david ushery, an anchor here, with this week's up against the clock quote of note, which famous missouri politician said if you want a friend in washington, get a dog? >> all right, david, 100 extra points. >> it's unfair because he's from st. louis, i would say harry truman. >> gabe had that look, i knew he knew it. 100-point tossup.
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according to a buzz feed report on tuesday, this former utah governor is considering a run in the next presidential election -- >> david? >> oh -- >> time. >> as an independent. >> alex? >> jon huntsman. >> 100 point tossup. a new ad features footage of lambeau field, the home of which nfl team? >> green bay packers. >> that's correct. president obama is fairly tall by presidential standards but this president was the tallest at 6 feet 4 inches. >> abraham lincoln. >> 100 points for dave. end of the first round. gabe in the lead with 400 points and david in positive territory at 100, alex at zero. got baltimore wrong. now i understand. that brings us to the end of the 100 point round. things get exciting because i dropped the microphone. twice as valuable and twice as
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hard, 100 seconds on the clock. the 200 point round begins with this a new sur vaf released by the policy center revealed two thirds of americans can't name all three branches of government. name them? >> david? >> judicial, executive, and legislative. >> 200 points for david corn. 200-point tossup, a bill board from a pro marijuana reform group was poking fun at this new york times columnist who had a namously negatively experience with the substance earlier this year. >> alex. >> maureen dowd. >> glad gabe didn't know that one. >> a state of emergency in what's being called the worst ever fire season in which state? >> david? >> that would be california. >> california. >> jerry brown's home state. stops the clock, david you've hit another bonus question. >> my lucky day. this is our use it or lose it. here's how this one works, we have a follow-up question to the one you just answered and it is
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somehow related. it is a 200-point bonus question, but if you guess incorrectly you lose the 200 points you just gained. i have the bonus question, will you use it or lose it. >> i'm going tore it. >> use going to use it. here it is. in his first stint as governor, jerry brown declined to seek re-election in 1982 instead running for an open u.s. senate seat and ultimately losing to this future republican governor. >> wilson. >> pete willson is correct. you're in the lead -- >> no, that can't be. >> 200 point toss-up. >> on friday, house republicans are considering changing their rules to protect john boehner from a potential challenge as speaker of the house. the job currently places him behind whom in the presidential line of succession? >> gabe? >> vice president. >> the vice president. we also would have accepted joe biden. >> 200 point tossup, in the wake
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of the shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, a new office of community engagement was created by executive order on thursday by this governor of the state. >> gabe? >> jay nix son. >> jay nixson. >> gabe back in the lead. after proclaiming nobody will hear from me again when he lost his 2012 re-election bid, the former french president announced on facebook -- >> sarkozy is correct. >> alex, 200 point tossup. >> to replace the late don pard doxt -- >> incorrect. >> the producers of "saturday night live" named darrel hammond who famously impersonated which american president? >> do i get another chance? >> we'll call time. it was bill clinton. that was a costly one, 500. gabe in the lead at 800 and alex in contention at 400. a barn burner as we move to the
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ph.d. questions. 300 points. we would usually dim the lights here but we're in a different studio so we can't. we pill put 100 seconds on the clock and crown a champion when we begin the round right now. 300-point question, i'm not barack obama, this democrat senate candidate declares in a new ad that features her going -- >> david? >> allyson grimes. >> fresh off his failed republican primary challenge against senator mitch mcconnell, this kentucky businessman announced this week that he might run for governor. >> time. no one remembers, matt bevan. >> on a speech on women's issues joe biden praised this former republican -- >> alex. >> bob packwood. 300 points for alex. very close game. vice president for this retail giant resigned this week after it was revealed that he lied about earning a college degree.
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>> time. it was walmart. it was walmart. 300-point tossup question. on wednesday the house select committee on benghazi held hear. who is the chairman of that committee? >> trey gowdy. although his points of light foundation was headed by michelle nunn -- >> gabe? >> purdue. >> correct. anticipated the twist in that issue. very impressive. harry reid vowed as long as he's in the senate there will be no further activity at this nuclear waste facility in nevada. 300 points for alex. claiming he and his crew were at risk of pa polar bear attack during its filming -- >> mark begich. david at the last question has pulled out a victory. this is the closest game we've
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ever had. value yent effort with 1100 points. alex right in there until the end. david, youz did win and now we're going to tell you what prizes you've got. >> as our champion your name will be engraved using the finest sharpie ink. you'll also receive a dvd copy of "cocoon 2" and you'll get to play in the jack pot round if r the grand prize. a quick meal food card. the only in the greater 45th street area operated by former chef of russian tearoom. i had it for lunch today. delicious. enjoy the meal and congratulations. back to you, steve. >> all right. david, very exciting prizes there. there's the mug. don't drink from it. there's poisonous paint in there or something. but it's yours for the week. now i have your jack pot bonus
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question. it is this. accord topg the real clear politics average, joe biden is running 44 points behind martin luther king hillary clinton in a hypothetical matchup. who was the last to seek the party's nomination and not get it? do you know? >> is it alvin barkley. >> it is alvin barkley. and because of that, gabe, we're giving you the street meat gift certificate. congratulations. $50 of the finest street vendor food in the 45th street area. congratulations on a very fine effort. thank you all for playing. we'll be back right after this. congratulations. discover card. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises. surprise! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you.
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we're back with just a minute or two left. david, congratulations on your
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exciting victory. gabe, i do have to say you stole the show. you're 12 years old and got a bonus question about al barkley who is an obscure former running president in 1952. how do you know this stuff sf. >> i've been interested in politics since the anyone of 6. i read a lot. >> you have your own daily newsletter. you interviewed sandra day oh conner. >> i did. i reached out to justice o'conner. she sent me answers to my questions. >> who is your dream interview? >> i guess i would have to say hillary clinton. >> mine too, actually. i want to see who gets her first. >> i'm going to put my money on him. became on. if you do it, share the footage with us. maybe we can teap on up on this.
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