tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC September 22, 2014 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
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protests keeps on going. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a federal prosecutor called him a danger to the president. the man who allegedly jumped the fence along pennsylvania avenue has been identified by authorities as 42-year-old iraq war veteran omar gonzalez. in addition to the small folding knife, investigators found 800 rounds of ammunition, two hatchets and a machete signed by a secret service officer after his arrest told one agent, the judge ordered gonzalez be held
without bail after leaving virginia state police in a high speed chase. >> 11 guns, two shotguns and four rifles. and look at the scopes and bipods that a sniper would use. according to prosecutors, gonzalez was also stopped outside the white house in august after secret service officers noticed a hatchet in his waistband. he was not arrested at that time. even as prosecutors are laying out their case against him, gonzalez's wife is speaking out on his behalf. gonzalez had been diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, schizophrenia and said he was not the same after his second tour in iraq.
>> whatever prompted it, the incident has raised a lot of concern about the security at the white house. president obama and his family left just four minutes before gonzalez made his way inside the front door. >> yeah, this is really hard to believe. i mean, this is clearly a severe breakdown. i have great regard for the secret service, but this should be the most basic protections to the president. >> one of the biggest problems of security force is atrophy of concern. >> we will need a complete investigation of what happened. but, more importantly, what steps they're going to take to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> the president himself was
asked today, and he said the secret service does a great job. >> joining me now from the white house is nbc news chris tin welker. chris tin wharks is the atmosphere like there tonight? >> well, chris, i can tell you that there are more patrols on pennsylvania. more surveillance, the secret service in light of all of those revelations that you just mapped up. that the suspect in this case, omar gonzalez, was known to law enforcement. so one key question, how could this have happened particularly when the secret service was aware of his criminal past. the other thing they're trying to figure out,how could this have happened when he jumped the fence, he didn't see the k-9 units dispatched.
so the questions are why law enforcement officials want to know if perhaps some secret service officials were out of position because the president had just departed for camp david. those are among the questions that they're trying to answer tonight. one official says the secret service is considering changing the way that tourists are able to see the white house and possibly setting up check points several blocks away from pennsylvania avenue. that would be an unprecedented change here, but we should stress that is something that is still under consideration. hasn't happened yet. it hasn't been approved yet. what happened on friday night is unprecedented, chris. lawmakers out raged, you heard some of them there in those clips that you played. some of them are returning from their recess to hold recess on this to find out what happened. >> joining me now, correspondent
for the new york times, michael sheer. so when this report first broke, michael, i think a lot of people say oh, my lord, he got into the white house? it seems like a pretty big deal. from your reporting, from inside this, is this seen as a pretty big deal? >> well, the interesting thing is how it changed. initially, they were sort of playing this down as one of these face-jumping incidents that it happens every now and then. but i think today's revelations, about all of the revelations and the problem of how come the secret service, when they had him a few weeks ago with a hatchet, how come they didn't link that to all of the weapons that he had been arrested with and that map of the white house with a circle drawn around it, how come they didn't link those two things together.
>> it also seemed like the secret service has not had a great 18 months, two years. we've seen several scandals. is this -- i'm wondering if we're seeing a little tip of an iceberg of a institution that is going through something that is not very good. >> look, they are the first ones to remind folks that the first things you don't see are the successes. they're up in new york, the secret service is protecting not only the president and the first lady, but the ewe nighted nation's general assembly. i do think that this one has a potential to be a little bit more serious than some drunk agents in a hotel room. it isn't as serious as a guy who managed to get into the white house after having, you know,
evidence of an awful lot of weaponry and maybe some ill intent. >> quickly, finally, i'm amazed that this guy was not shot, actually. they were able to subdue him without firing a weapon. is that how they're trained to respond? >> i think they are trained to have some restraint. if you talk to them, they really do feel this dual mission of protecting the president and keeping the white house an open place where tourists are able to see the house while walking right in front of the gates. the real question is did the restraint go too far this time in letting somebody get as far as he got. >> joining me now, steve akas, a
former special operations consultant for the white house from 2001-22006. steve, it strikes me the president's defense of the secret service today where people seem quite angry at him for the incident. >> the president knows the truth, which is the secret service is the very best agency in the united states and the world at providing protection to leaders and their facilities. the great thing about the secret service is they're able to learn from anything. if you take the ronald reagan assassination attempt, that produces a change in the way that they do their business. they look for these incidents, they try to diagnose them and figure out what went wrong. they're very eager and adapt what they learn.
>> you did not work for the secret service, but you were interfacing with them. from a security perspective, there's a lot of things that you'd like to say no to. from an optics perspective, you could presumely put a 20 foot barrier in front of the white house, but that would not fly politically. >> no, that's exactly right. it's what michael just said, as well. the secret service has to do this very difficult mission. and so certainly, if we want to turn downtown washington into an armed camp, if we want to make sure that no one is able to get close enough to do something like getting to the first guard post inside the door, we can accomplish that. but what that's going to mean is we're going to be limiting people's access to the area
surrounding the white house grounds. >> you were in the white house in 22001-2006 after 9/11. were there arguments back and forth about striking that precise balance? >> we had a very positive and constructive relationship with the secret service where we sought to understand what their concerns were, they sought to understand what they were trying to accomplish with the president's agenda. we were always trying to find the balance between doing what we want to do whether it be traveling around the world or physically in the white house when they were comfortable keeping him safe as possible. >> up next, the baltimore ravens pushed back hard against an espn report alleging misdirection by the team saying the sources have an agenda to get ray rice back in the nfl.
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baltimore ravens pushed back hard from a block buster report from espn. in connection with the handling of the ray rice domestic violence investigation, espn reported that an atlantic city police officer had described in detail the contents of the now-infamous video showing rice striking his now wife inside a casino elevator to the raven's head of security who then relayed the disturbing videos play-by-play long before it was med public. today, espn has released a response. ravens' owner steve bashodi held a press conference in which he questioned the motives of espn's sources. >> what's obvious is that the
majority of the sources are people that work for ray. almost everything in there is anonymous, but it's clear from the subject matter that it's ray's attorney. it's ray's agent. and it's ray's friends. you know, they are building a case for reinstatement. and the best way to build a case for reinstatement is to make everybody else look like they're lying. >> investigative reporter who co-wrote the story rebutted that claim. and others saying the source in part to be the nfl. the performance was about as impressive as goodell's performance. what did you make of them sort
of doubling down today? >> i've got to say, when i came on your show, chris, and i was wearing a blazer and jeans, i thought i was maybe under-dresed for the occasion. he has been called less stiff than goodell and i think he acted like a person whose massive fortune relied on the whims of a very rich man. the most striking thing is that the reason for the press conference is to rebut the story which is to talk about the raven's realization on how to deal with domestic violence. >> and the real war is all against all. everyone else is trying to throw someone else under the bus.
ray rice, who's petitioning for reinstatement, right, has a motivation to tell all he knows about it because he's got nothing left to lose. >> i don't think as mack ya vel yan to pull this off which is to change the conversation from what it would be. it really doesn't matter if espn got a detail wrong or ray rice's perception of why bashotti offered him a job for life. they're still not getting the domestic violence things right. they're still saying things to clear themselves. but this whole thing is a punch and a slap. >> the original sin here is ray
rice gets arrested for domestic violence. and then the internal video comes out and they say we didn't know it was quite this bad. it's, like, guys, guys, it seems to be a huge debate. everything seems to hinge on the debate. slap versus punch. i guess i don't understand the parts of society that also think that's important, too. it's obviously playing to some demographic where if it was a slap, he should have gotten before it. >> one of the stories emerged here is showing tv ratings of the top ten rated network shows, first, prime time football. network shows falling off of a cliff. what i found so interesting is it's 76% of that growth in the ratings comes from women viewers. so a huge trunk of what is this
massive revenue game for not just the nfl is coming from women viewers. the camera was not on me, so they couldn't see my epic eye roll. >> i don't think that's going to change. why deny people their entertainment. just get the moral component of it close to right. not horribly wrong. >> they're under more threat of people turning away than i think they realize. coming up, a new long term partnership with the national domestic hotline. i visited their headquarters in austin. >> we've had a rough year. so this is huge. it's game-changing.
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the national domestic violence hotline located in austin texas, the video has changed everything. it's hard to imagine any good coming out of that horrible act of violence. the people who run the national domestic hotline will now receive more funding, more visibility, for the issue they've dedicated their lives to. so there are these statistics that say national doe mesic violence has gotten better. do you think it's gotten better? >> it's similar to the way race
relations have gotten better since the civil rights act. there have been some progress, but there's still more work that needs to be done. >> here's the number for the national doe mesic violence hotline. >> in reality, it's 15-20 people sitting in a room in austin taking calls. >> how does it work? just logisticalllogistically? >> a call comes in. there's a board that lights up if there's an advocate available at that moment, they answer their phone not knowing who's going to be on that line. >> national domestic violence hotline? >> maisha barrett has been an advocate at the hotline for two years. she watched two weeks ago as suddenly, everything changed.
>> there is new out rage over ray rice two-game suspension. >> when the ray rice story broke, the top left shows how many calls were waiting. it was 13, 14 calls waiting for 20 or 30 minutes with every single advocate here on a call. >> from your perspective, what do you think about showing that tape? >> i understand feeling conflicted about that. i think a lot of us felt conflicted about that, too. that was a really tragic moment in her life being played out on national television for people to dissect and put their opinion in and nobody asked her if that was okay. at the same time, it also
started a really big conversation and hopefully some major change is going on right now. >> stories of violence poured in. barrett says the national domestic hotline has never been f fully funded. but on friday, the hotline's funding fortunes changed courtesy of roger goodell and the nfl. >> to begin, we've entered into a long term partnership with two leading national organizations. the national doe mmestic violen hotline and the national sexual violence resource center. the hotline received an 84% increase in their call volume just last week. they did not have the resources to reach even half of those calls. >> the the announcement was a game changer.
>> it's a huge deal. we're going to be able to help a lot of people with this money. >> today, it could be fully funded in history. it was the worst nfl public relations crisis in decades to get there. >> just over the weekend, they've hired some new staffers. and just in a few days, they've been able to take their percentage of calls from 50% to 55%. up next, as the president prepares to make his case against isis this week, we take an exclusive look from inside syria that the syrian rebels have agreed to arm. that's next. let's share the news tomorrow. today we failrly busy. tomorrow we're booked solid. we close on the house tomorrow. i want one of these opened up. because tomorow we go live... it's a day full of promise. and often, that day arrives by train.
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officials told reporters 15,000 from 80 countries are flying in and out of iraq and syria. we have no way of confirming those numbers. among the 30 plus americans the government is aware of, some have returned to the u.s. and are now under surveillance, according to those unnamed officials. nbc news reports at least eight americans have been arrested on their way to join military factions in syria. the u.n. security council on wednesday chaired by president obama himself. put in place a legal framework to prosecute those who join isis. while in new york, president obama will also meet with iraqprime minister whose government is a key part of the u.s. strategy to rally support against isis. isis continued to gain ground in
syria where attacks in the north sent over 130,000 syrian kurds fleeing over the border into turkey. it's one of the greatest refugee surges since the start of the war. the challenge confronting the "moderate opposition" with the obama administration has approval to arm and train. questions remain about who those fighters are and secretary of state john kerry says he's confident in our ability to sort it all out. >> we've been working now with the free syrian army for several years. the debate has been in washington, too. the fact is we have gotten very good at knowing who they are and vetting.
>> joining me now is the producer of that piece. great piece of reporting, lindsey. >> thank you. >> there's no way that kid is 17. i'm sorry. i wasn't there. you were there, he said he's 17, but that does not look like a 17-year-old. >> no, it doesn't. i would say 12, 13, maybe. >> were there a lot of young fighters? >> there were. there were quite an abundance of, i guess you would say, child soldiers. >> it was interesting to me that he, at some level, knew that if in fact he wasn't telling the truth about the age of that kid, which i can't verify, that in fact he would say 17 because in some sense, they're not real big on child soldiers in america. >> yeah, they know. >> the free syrian army is a phrase that we are using to talk about the moderate opposition. what does that mean on the grou ground? is that a meaningful phrase on
the ground? >> it is, but it's a huge umbrella. it's sort of an overarching term for everyone who's fighting in the opposition. >> okay. so there's a big coalition that literally means army of the holy warriors. >> it does, yes. >> so the point is, it seems to me, from the people i've talked to that have sort of been there, that everyone in there, there's not really a secular opposition in any real way? >> there isn't. they're all conservative muslim. but they are. they're reasonable. they're reasonable. >> there's a facility where they're actually making their munitions. how does that work? >> they've come to use everything around them, gas tanks, parts of cars, just everything around them to make weapons. >> i thought the last line from that guy was basically chilling saying yeah, you help us, you don't help us. there's the sense that this is just going to drag on.
it's just basically become a wartime society. is that how it felt there? >> yes. they're prepared to fight until the death, and they will. >> and they don't seem terribly optimistic. isis is secondary to what they want, which is to get rid of asaad. >> absolutely. and asaad has the fire power. he's dropping the barrel bombs. >> it's interesting to see isis put out a statement today. it was a real head snapping moment. lindsey snell, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, they are the most famous oil family in history. yet, today, the rockefellers are shifting away from fossil fuel. one of them joins us to explain next.
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well-known force in america and whose wealth was founded in oil, standard oil, made an announcement today in the headlines, as it should. its $860 million philanthropic organization joins more than 800 other philanthropies and investors today in announcing a $50 billion fossil fuel divestment one day before the united nation's climate summit. joining me now, ellen dorsey, creator of divest coalition foundation. value reel, i start with you. why did you make this decision? i'm sure you're aware of the epic, cataclysmic irony in all of this? >> we like to see it as an irony and an opportunity. it is a very careful process the fund has gone through. we want to do this responsibly,
but it's our mission. we've been in this field, as have many, generations of rockefellers. so this was just naturally a next step for us. >> so you're going to pull investments 234 fossil fuels? >> we are virtually out, already of coal and are looking at alternative investments. >> this is one of a bunch of funds that are doing this. there's been a big movement to divest in fossil fuels. my big question is is this symbolism? or is this going to be a big investment. there's so much money flowing around out there, it's going to find a way. you do gooders are going to take money out, but there's always going to be someone who's going to put money into it. >> well, first of all, i think the intent is not to have an
immediate impact, financially, on the fossil fuel companies. over time, it will absolutely have an impact. also, investing in climate solutions, the investing will be capitalizing the solutions. capitalizing the future, the new energy, the economy, we need. together, they're signaling the market. i believe this is a political movement. i believe this is a financial movement and that it's having impacts on the financial sector now. >> you guys are managing a very large endowment with investments 234 a lot of stuff. how much fossil fuels are we in? >> we con vorted the fund in
2010 to devote up to 10% of our endowment in alternative investments. so we've been at it for several years. we also want to do this extremely transparentally and extremely thoughtfully. we like to think back to john d.rockefeller, sr. we do believe, as he did, in the innovative and looking always to the future. but also watching the bottom line. >> we were saudi arabia before saudi arabia. >> but we got the oil from whaling, correct? >> that's right. >> so now, we're looking back and saying john d., sr., he looked for oil in the ground. now we're looking at efficiency. the democratic and moral nature
of this movement. >> the point, though, is that part of this fortune was built very early. the adoption of oil as the main fuel source, particularly transportation, was happening. you see this as a kind of natural progression. oil replaced whale oil, something is going to come after oil. >> that's right. >> he would have been out there. >> the powerful thing about this divest invest movement, is that it's aligning both ethical risks and financial risks. >> what's the financial risk? there's so much money to be made, why is there any financial risk at all? >> first of all, i would question that if you look at coal. coal is down 60% when the s&p is up over 40%. i think that's prologue of what's to come with all fossil fuels.
the past will not tell us what the future will hold. 80% has to stay in the ground. >> and they're continuing to spend over half a trillion annually in further exploration. >> think about it, $500 billion every year to find new fossil fuels when we can't burn 80% of what we have. thank you both very much. >> coming up, the biggest climate march in history. we'll have all the details next.
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coordinated to proceed the ewe nighted nation's summit tomorrow. in the past hour, police have reportedly been arresting protesters, one person at a time, including one seen here dressed as a polar bear in what is going to be an iconic photo, i guarantee you. joining me now, one of those protesters in utah. want's going on in this photo, tim? >> there were people there all day long right outside of the stock exchange holding a lot of space there in the wall street area. and then around 4:00, they moved onto try to get to the wall street area. the police barricaded in.
>> i love the fact that his paws are actually being cuffed. >> yeah. so last i heard, there was a little over a hundred people arrested there today on wall street. >> what does it mean? 400,000 people is a lot of people. what does it mean? what does this march mean for the politics of this issue here? for the power of the movement of what happens in the un. >> i think it was a defining moment for the movement. it may or may not change policymakers minds, but for the people involved, it was an extremely empowering experience. it shows that the movement has reached this kind of maturity that's bringing in a lot of new folks. it's a point where the leaders of the climate movement can start trusting people power. for decades now, the mainstream
of the groups have been trying to appease the power and concentrated wealth. and i think that's because they saw that because the only force was seen big enough to be done. >> so it's like we can partner with these sort of environmental objectives. we're big, institutional players and they have the power. >> right. they're the force that we see all of the time in our society. we don't see the power of people power all of the time. it's not something that we can learn to have faith in because of avatars on a screen. it's something you've got to feel in a real way. i think it can be a defining and empowering moment. it's the kind of force that can create the kind of change that we need. >> this is the movement that has come really far and has gotten more militant. you've got arrests, you've got people engaging in peaceful,
nonviolent disobedience. i think it's partly, and tell me if you agree with this, people are just like those politicians just don't get it. we need to just go to the street. >> yeah, absolutely. it's a massive political failure. things are changing very rapidly. i spent the last few months with people organizing a lobster boat. at their trial, the d.a. came out and dropped the charges and said it was out of concern for climate change. he was there in the march yesterday. he was marching with the defendants that he was supposed to be prosecuting. that happened in massachusetts. it was d.a. sam sutter that came out and said that he was dropping the charges out of concern for the children who would be impacted by climate change. he said that there's been a massive failure and he said he would be in new york and he was there yesterday.
>> that is an incredible story. it's always a pleasure talking to you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. >> good evening, chris. thank you very much. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. it was four years ago, 1974, february 17th, 1974. and the white house was dark. this was the depths of the energy crisis. everybody was concerning energy and the white house wanted to lead by example. but it was 2:00 in the morning, middle of the night. but because they had the lieblgts extra dimmed, it was even darker than you would expect at the white house. that night, 2:00 in the morning, a warning system kicked in at the white house and 2:00 a.m., these bright search lights came on. and the reason those search lights came on and the alert had been triggered was because somebody was ldi