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but on join those who call upon you to resign office. >> i don't think president obama can fire eric holder because that cuts his numbers in half. >> we're still involved in this political gamesmanship. ♪ ♪ good to have you with us tonight, folks. after six years, attorney general eric holder is leaving his post. he is one of three original obama administration cabinet officials still serving as the first african-american attorney general in history. moments ago president obama announced eric holder's plans to sep down. >> over the summer he came to me and he said that he thought six years was a pretty good run. i imagine his family agrees. like me, eric married up. he and his wife dr. sharon
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malone, a nationally renowned o.b.gyny, and i know brooke, maya and buddy are excited to get their dad back for a while so this is bittersweet, but with his typical dedication, eric has agreed to stay on as attorney general until i nominate a successor and that successor is confirmed by the senate. >> he's been attorney general over six years. >> over his watch federal courts have successfully prosecuted hundreds of terror cases and he's rooted out corruption and fought violent crime. the fbi successfully carried out the largest mafia takedown in american history. he's helped safeguard our markets manipulation and consumers from financial fraud and thanks to his efforts since i took office the the overall crime rate and the overall incarceration rate have anyone down by about 10%. that's the first time that they've declined together, at
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the same time in more than 40 years. so i just want to say thank you, eric. thank you to the men and women of the justice department who work day in and day out for the american people and we could not be more grateful for everything that you've done, not just for me and the administration, but for the country. [ applause ] >> after president obama's remarks holder spoke about his time and his challenge as attorney general. >> work remains to be done, but our list of accomplish ments is real. over the last six years, our administration, your administration has made historic gains in realizing the principles of the found documents and fought to protect the most sacred right, the right to vote. we've begun to realize the promise of equality for our lgbt brothers and sisters and their families. we have begun to significantly
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reform our criminal justice system and reconnect those who bravely serve be in law enforcement with the communities that they protect. >> for more, let me bring in nbc news white house correspondent kristin welker. kristin, good to have you with us tonight. this, of course, is a big move beyeric holder. he is a very close confidant any friend of the president. any indication or word out of the white house who has successor might be? >> reporter: hi, ed. thank you for having me on. at this point, no word on who his successor might be. i am told that the president has not chosen that successor, though. some of the names that are being floated around, kathy rumler, she, of course, was white house counsel here. don virilli is being tossed around as a potential front-runner. he's solicitor general. he got a lot of criticism at the time, as you'll recall, ed, but, of course, the health care law was upheld and right now his name is being talked about quite
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a bit also. duval patrick, governor of massachusetts. so there are a number of names that are being batted around and i'm trying on squeeze it out of this white house and i haven't been able to get the short list yet, but those are some of the names and you've heard the attorney general say that he will stay on until the president does naum a successor. he gave a little bit of a timeline for a few months and this is something that we can expect not to happen necessarily over the next few days, but you'd have to imagine that president obama is feeling some pressure to name a replacement. of course, we are heading into the midterms. republicans trying to take back the senate. if that happens it it could make it very difficult for this president to get whoever he nominates confirmed. you would anticipate that president obama will try to get someone through before there is any potential change of the senate. . that were to happen we should say that white house press secretary josh earnest was asked about this during a bagel gagg
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air force one. not a big surprise he would say that and the president's priority is to choose the right person for the job. ed? >> kristin welker at the white house tonight. thanks so much for joining us. >> you know that eric holder was doing a good job because the republicans always wanted him to resign. i mean, this man was an attorney general during his tenure as attorney general republicans attacked this man relentlessly. in june of 2012 holder was the first sitting cabinet official to be held in contempt of congress. it was an unprecedented move and republicans passed the measure because he did not comply with the subpoena related to documents related to the fast and furious investigation which was bogus. some democrats walked off the house floor in protest, embarrassed. after the department of justice refused to prosecute holder, republicans filed a civil suit against him and republicans
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attacked him over the irs scandal and they attacked him over the prosecution of the boston marathon bombers. republicans have accused this man of helping to commit voter fraud. texas governor rick perry who has no credibility has accused holder of purposely enciting racial tensions in america. the attorney general has been attacked every step of the way. today republicans weren't going to let holder go peacefully at all. they slammed his resignation on twitter. david vitter from louisiana tweeted anyone sad to see eric holder stepping down as ag? not me. i can't think of any ag in hiftly who has attacked louisiana more than holder. my hope is that the next attorney general respects the rule of law. congressman jeff duncan jumped in, your disregard for the constitution of the united states will not be missed.
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along with all of the congressional reaction not to be outdone is fox news. >> he was one of the most divisive, polarizing, controversial, most dangerous man in america, unethical. he didn't enforce the laws on obamacare and he was giving them trials in downtown manhattan. he ran the doj much like the black panthers would. that is a fact. >> you consider today's reaction a fitting sendoff after six years of unprecedented attacks on the attorney general. no doubt. for more, let me bring in msnbc political analyst and georgetown professor, michael dyson and national reporter lee. >> good to have all of you with us tonight. katrina, you first, i will remember eric holder being the ag during the age of voter suppression and the relentless
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attack on voting rights in this country which pretty much blind sighted him and hang over him at the department of justice for a number of years. how will you remember and how important was this man to the obama administration some. >> i think his greatest achievement, ed, was in revitalizing the civil rights division of the department of justice which we must not forget was gutted, was in shambles at the end of the george w. bush tenure and i think this country has a long way to go. we've come a long way, but we are witnessing and seeing it in the smear attacks on attorney general holder by the right. a country, a republican party that is ready to suppress the vote, as ready as governor perry of texas did that the attorney general was enciting race riots because he spoke of a poll tax. eric holder had a visceral connection to the issue of voting rights. his sister-in-law was one of two african-american students to
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successfully integrate to the university of alabama and he understood the importance as he said at the press conference, ed, one of the most sacred rights in america is the right on vote and whoever the successor is, that battle continues unabated because we are witnessing the worst voter suppression tactics in decades and that fight must continue and eric holder, tumultuous, we can talk about other issues and failure to prosecute banks, but on the voting rights issue and to begins to dismantle the failed war on drug, attorney general holder has a legacy. >> michael, your reaction to holder's resignation and the degradation that he has faced in his six years? ? much like katrina i celebrate his extraordinary achievements in the defense of the simple gesture of voting which is the bedrock of democracy, but make no mistake. this man is one of the most remarkable politicians of our time, certainly one of the most
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remarkable black men, one of the two most powerful black men ever, president barack obama and attorney general eric holder and the assault upon him has been underestimated by the white left and by broader americans who don't understand, i think, sufficiently the degree to which the vicious assault upon him has been so racially driven along with vicious ideology that he has become a kind of whipping boy for the president and a substitute in a symbolic whipping boy because they couldn't get to obama so they got to holder and some of the unprincipled assaults on his reputation to and to undermine him at every step made him more identifiable upon the masses of people who love him. i was on the march on washington and eric holder got an incredible, incredible applause there. wherever he goes. i've been with him at concerts and the like and the man has been received as a rock star. why? because the average, ordinary
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black person gets this this man has been a substitute for the president in many ways and in many ways has gone far beyond him on representing the interests of the broader, you know versal democracy, but also appealing to those interests that are specific to his community. he was both a race man and a representative of the state at the same time. >> trymean, i remember the impact during the ferguson, missouri, story as it it unfolded and the intense coverage, and i -- give us a sense of how he was received down there and put that in ters of how he was received as attorney general and i thought he had a tremendous impact on that community when he was down there. >> oh e certainly, when the fox commentator said he rant doj as a black panther that's almost laughable. the bridge of the common black experience and the white house and the administration and when you are talking about trayvon martin case and you talk about ferguson when so many people
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felt disaffected and disconnected that they weren't being heard and to see attorney general eric holder say i am the attorney general of the united states and i am also a black man and i understand and i understand the mistrust and that goes a long way especially when you're talking about on the ground in ferguson when you feel that local leaders and the local law enforcement and the all-white city leadership are not heeding their concerns, needs and demands. it certainly went a very long way. >> katrina, as -- go ahead. >> micking up perking up on mic dyson's point, the opposition has been so staggeringly racially framed that it is the case that the attorney general became the heat shield or the lightning rod because attorney general holder spoke more passionately, more aggressively. that was his role, about structural race r issues in this country whereas the president has spoken in more interpersonal
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ways. holder understood that unless we begin to dismantle mass incarceration in this country and take on the failed drug war, millions of african-americans are going to be consigned to a life that center part toward a more perfect union. i know he has a commitment as he said at the press conference to continue to work on bring together communities of color with law enforcement, to find ways of bringing that dialogue together that isn't just interpersonal which is also valuable, but it attaches and takes on the structurals are toes which, by the way, the right isn't that stupid. they knew what holder was trying to do and they are very tied to ensuring racism is not taken on effectively as they sound like a pale male of a stale party. >> he did not prosecute anyone on wall street, and when you talked about the white left i think there was a tremendous amount of outrage that wall
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street got off scot-free. is that part of his legacy in fairness? >> well, look, i understand that there's disgruntlement with him in that regard, though he brought goldman sachs and other people to the bar, but again, look at this -- look at the comparison here. if barack obama had come into office in his first year and allowed the banks to fail. there is no headline that he can use to redeem himself or the reputation not only of his administration, but of a future black presidency and the politicians. look at the double bind they're in. we want to go after wall street, the economic interests that have reinforced economic inequality in this country, but the reality is if the banks fail, then the reputation of all black politicians will, too, it shouldn't be, but it is. eric holder in aipportioning hi role in his responsible as attorney general, although he did important things across the
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board, not only in voting rights and civil rights and other areas, for the yeoman's work that he did and for the representation of the broad sweep of justice, he still did an incredible job and one that is worthy of not only acknowledgement, but worthy of studying just how effective he was in the face of such vicious opposition. >> well, i'm sure we can expect one heck of a fight on the senate floor no matter who president obama nominates to succeed what i think has been a stellar performer as an attorney general for the united states of america. michael eric dyson, katrina, and trymean lee, good to have you with us. i appreciate your time. coming up, video footage has been released showing a south carolina police officer shooting an unarmed black man. the rapid response panel weighs in. plus the humanitarian crisis in syria is now the world's largest since world war ii. colonel lawrence wilkerson joins me to talk about that.
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welcome back to "the ed show." we are in the third day of air strikes in syria. the president is moving forward with the air war against isis while congress stands still. john boehner wants to punt a debate on military force down the road. in an interview boehner revealed he'd like to wait until 2015 before bringing the issue to the floor. meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis in the region has ground to a historic proportion. >> listen to these numbers, 3.2 million refugees have fled from syria. double that, 6 million people are on the run inside syria, run for well lives. it is bigger than what we saw in world war ii. it is the largest -- syrians are
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the largest refugee population in the world today. >> the consequences to this inaction are severe. congressional stalling will only drag us further into the conflict. republicans aren't willing to do anything on the issue except smear the president's action. i think he has a world view in what he's found. increasingly, it's not consistent with reality. >> the president has laid out a fantasy part american people and is trying to disguise it as a strategy, but it is not going to keep us safe. >> it is decreasing because what's happening to the u.s. military and the massive reductions in the budget, the fact that we have four combat brigades out of the u.s. army. >> republicans are talking like they'd rather see the president fail than to get isis. dick cheney and republicans would have said that you were emboldening the enemy. that's what was thrown at tom daschle at the time when he
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questioned if we were doing the right thing. joining me now is colonel lawrence wilkerson, secretary of state to colin powell and professor at the college of willamette mary. i would like you to speak to a moral obligation to help the humanitarian crisis which is unfolding not only because of who isis is doing, but also because of the bombing that has taken place. sort this out for us. >> yes. i think we do -- let me say first, i just can't resist this, ed. you just had former vice president cheney talking about the state of the army. his figures aren't correct, but that's usual with dick, but he's talking about an army and for that matter marine corps, too, that if it's in bad shape, it's in bad shape because he virtually murdered it in iraq for a decade. i just can't get away without saying something about that. the humanitarian crisis --
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>> it's interesting, colonel, how the cheneys are always the ones to come out and attack president obama. it's never republican leadership. it's almost as. he's on the assigned mission from the conservative right to be out there first and as furious as he possibly can to make sure the country knows that obama is the problem. it's been that he was the first one in 2009 when president obama was so high in the ratings that everyone was so excited that we would have hope and change. he had just been sworn in as president and the first republican to come out was cheney and it's always been the case that way. it's almost like it's orchestrated. you accurately point out what a problem he was for the country, but because of this policy we have and because of what isis is doing and what the aftermath of iraq has given this country, don't we have even a greater problem that's on the horizon if we have a moral xhiltment to the
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region? we do. let me give you an anecdote. i was in italy recently and happened on meet with a member of the jordanian royal family, an old friend of general powell's and we talked and one of the things he told us was that every jordanian home, virtually every home in jordan now has a refugee or a refugee family in it. think about that for a minute. we're talking about a country that's small, a country that's relatively stable in normal times, but we're talking about a country that is being just by the presence of these refugees and its midst, destabilized. look at lebanon. we're talking about the same thing. take a look at northern iraq where the kurds had to accept 200,000 or so there and take a look at turkey, a nato ally which is playing a dangerous game with its kurdish population as it it tries to keep kurds from crossing the border into syria to defend its people
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against the islamic state for forces. at the same time it's got people pouring into turkey, mostly kurds, who are being oppressed by these forces and this is a complicated situation which as far as i can tell, we're not doing very much at all. >> we're not doing anything and boehner says he doesn't want to do anything until after the 1st of the year to 2015. the lame duck session won't have anything to say about it. you know, that's the rest of october, november, december and maybe into january depending on how they feel about their power if they get the senate. it looks like the united states is being set up to be a real bad player here. how do you resettle 6 million people and go four months without addressing it? >> that's a good question. i don't think you do and to leave it all to the united nations and their refugee agencies is just preposterous. the united states should be doing the lion share of the work here if it really cares about
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some of its key allies and if it really cares about the region because this problem is every bit as serious as the 30,000 or so fighters that the cia now says the islamic state has. its every bit as serious. in fact, i would submit it's probably more serious. it has the capacity to not just present us with a massive humanitarian disaster, but also, as i said, to destabilize key countries in the region and not least of which are jordan and lebanon. >> colonel wilkerson, i want to address this later in the broadcast, but i want to give you a chance to comment on the new iraqi prime minister who was talking about attacks possibly on the united kingdom and the united states. and some are saying that those -- that that information simply isn't credible. are we ever going to be on the same page globally when it comes to intelligence? intelligence is the key to the whole thing and it's ease owe
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get wrong and awfully hard to get right. let me ask you this from your experience, if we're going to have a coalition working together doesn't intelligence become a greater challenge than what it's been in the past, if you have a prime minister in iraq saying things that others in the coalition is saying is hogwash some. >> yes, ed, it becomes extremely important not because of what you just intimated and also because some of the members of the coalition are playing a double game here, if not the triple game. you have the saudis supporting thees la eislamic forces and at same time pitching in with this so-called coalition. so, yes, intelligence is important and i must tell you that my experience over 40 years is that over the last decade, decade and a half it's gotten progressively worse. that concerns me because let's just face it, smart bombs are smart, they're accurate, no doubt about it, but they're no
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better than the intelligence which directs them. my experience with intelligence has been maybe 40% of the time it's wrong. that's a lot of dead people, a lot of wrong targets and a lot of money expended when the intelligence is wrong. so you're right, it is a key to this entire operation. >> colonel lawrence wilkerson, always great to have you with us on "the ed show." i appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> another unarmed black man shot by a police officer in the south. trymean lee and mark papantonio join me discuss this, what went wrong and why did the cop overreact some stay with us. we'll be right back. [ brian ] in a race,
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welcome back to "the ed show" on september 4th, south carolina highway patrol officer sean grobert pulled over lavar edward jones for a seat belt violation. this all unfolded in columbia, south carolina. a newly released dash cam video shows exactly what happened next. what you are seeing here is very disturbing. >> can i see your license, please? >> get out of the car! get out of the car! [ shots fired ] >> get on the ground! get on the ground. >> i'm just getting my license! you said get my license. >> right there. >> put your hands behind your back. put your hands behind your back. put your hands behind your back. >> what did i do, sir?
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>> are you hit? i think so. i can't feel my leg. i don't know what happened. i just grabbed my license. >>. >> why did you shoot me? >> you dove head first back into your heart and you jumped back out. i heard two words, sir. >> lavar jones was unarmed. there was not a weapon in the car. jones put up his hands. police say jones was hit in the hip with a bullet and is now recovering after a stay in the hospital. the trooper was fired last friday and arrested wednesday night for assault and battery of a high-end aggravated nature. the charges carry a maximum sentence of up to 20 years in prison. this summer we have witnessed several cases of police officers using deadly force on unarmed black men. what makes this case stand out is the officer was swiftly fired and now faces criminal charges. joining me now the rapid
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response panel is trymean lee and dotcom national reporter and also america's reporter mark papantonio, host of "the ring of fire." >> what do you make of this video somehow damaging is this video and how telling is it? >> it tells us that quality police officers are all over the country, poorly trained, unqualified to act rationally under stress which they should be trained to do and a little too easily frightened to be permitted to carry a gun and a guy like this makes it tough for all of the police officers who are qualified. look, we have a camera here that record no signs of provocation, no signs of aggression by jones. a man stopped for a seat belt violation. the only thing that went right that a competent officer clown act was the camera rolling where the shooter couldn't make some
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half-baked story about the victim reaching for a gun and the victim being aggressive and belligerent. the move toward requiring police body cameras is the way to solve this problem where we can actually have a legitimate picture of what happened. unimportantly, this is becoming less and less rare. fortunately, the guy was poorly trained because he fired four shots and only hit jones with one of them. that shows them exactly how poorly trained he is. he was firing it from about 25 feet, and it's becoming an epidemic problem and it's bad for the police officers who really do a great job out well every day to see a video like this. >> yes. >> trymean, why do you think this case is different? is it the videotape some. >> think it's the videotape, which as we have calls from across the country saying police need to be wearing body cameras. it's the videotape and there seemed to be no provocation and when you hear him on the ground, what did i do wrong?
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what did i do? he's confused and imagine how often things go awry and all someone would have to say is he reached for a gun and something else happened and this is exactly why people all across the country are clamoring and demanding that there be more accountability to capture these kinds of interactions. >> because of the history that has gone on between law enforcement and black males in this country, i think you see two people on videotape who are really scared. the cop really didn't know what to do, and the kid didn't know what to do. the guy was so intimidated by the police officer he had his hands up, he went so quickly into the car to get his driver's license. the cop thought that he was going in to get a firearm. if that's not stereotyping, oh, i don't know what is. here's a black guy, he's probably got a gun, damn it, i'm
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going to shoot him. this is a mindset, i think in the south and if i'm wrong on that, tell me, but things like had continue to happen. all of this over a seat belt violation. pap, your thoughts. >> ed, heavily in the south, i lived down here and have my whole life and i'd like to say it's certainly not a problem unique to the south and it's huge down here and tremane brought up the idea of the camera. it could be as small as a fountain pen cap and they could be incorporated right into the badge that they wear, and here's the point. it it protects the officer from becoming a victim to allegations of bad conduct. it protects the individual from being arrested by some heavy-handed thug, incoverage tent buffoon like we just saw here, some poorly trained police officer. there are no conflicting accounts when you have a camera. it's no he says, she says narrative. the cost of the camera is not an
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obstacle. this is what protects the black man being arrested in that kind of situation. yes, his reaction was exactly what you said. he was frightened and he reached into his car immediately and then the poor training of this police officer comes into play. >> he was told to get his license. what if he had put his hand in his pocket, would the cop thought he would put his hand in his pocket to get a gun some. >> folks want to paint a broad brush and say it's the attitude of some of these plaque meblack you need to pull your pants up and not act, being and one thing that is striking. when he's on the ground, he said sorry to the police officer. you told me to get my license and he's saying sorry. >> he's smart saying that because he thinks probably the
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cop's going to shoot him again. >> perhaps. >> that was probably why he's saying, his best defense is saying i'm sorry at that point because the guy shot him for no reason. >> terrible. >> i'll tell you what, it is absolutely amazing to me and i feel sorry for the cop. i do. what brought him to that mindset, poor training. tremane lee, mike papantonio, great to have you both with me tonight. coming up, the latest on the terror threats against subway systems in france and the united states. keep it here. we'll be right back. take a deep breath in... and... exhale. aflac! and a gentle wavelike motion... aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine, ahhh-ahhhhhh aflac! and reach, toes blossoming... not that great at yoga. yeah, but when i slipped a disk he paid my claim in just four days. ahh! four days? yep.
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editor at large at the atlantic. also with us tonight, former pennsylvania congressman and admiral joe sesek. what are we dealing with here? what's the latest you're hearing on this story? >> i'm hearing what you've just reported, that in a side cluster at the united nations, to a group ever journalists prime minister al abadi shared this somewhat shocking news. and either he has heard through his own hierarchy in command, some intelligence that we have not processed yet, but it may be al abadi's first failure as a partner in dealing with things with countries like the united states, because there's a protocol in sharing and vetting and kicking the tires of this kind of information, so that you don't inadvertently create far greater harm in disclosing something that's not true. so this could be prime minister al abadi's first big fumble. >> admiral, you worked in
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intelligence for many years with the navy. how do you unfold this? why would a new prime minister say something that coalition partners couldn't confirm? it doesn't seem like there's a lot of people on the same page here. >> well, i think we should approach this as trusting that the information might be good, but verifying whether it is. it seems like the fbi is telling us, they may have done that. because we may have great vacuum cleaners from the sky soaking up the information and intelligence organizations, but we could miss something. on the other hand, let's recognize that there are parties out there in the middle east, that would like to cement our involvement with isis to the public by leaking a false piece of information like this. it's sort of like harry truman said about an economist and it's true about intelligence officers, there's no one armed intelligence officer. because on the one hand and the other hand, it's an art, not a science. we need to verify this and continue on with business as normal. >> well, admiral, let me ask you
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this about process. as steve talked about. does the united states have a good enough relationship to go back to the iraqi prime minister and say, give us a name, what was your process, was it a recording? was it a hearsay? was it third person? it would seem to me that our intelligence people could get to the root of this pretty fast if there's a good coalition partner there. >> i think they can get very fast to the probability that this is true or false. and there's always going to be some doubt about anything you get in intelligence. but i think where steve was taking us is probably more right, that this is probably a bad piece of information, where the prime minister stepped on it purposely or not. but heaven forbid, if sometimes that one little piece of information should never be dismissed, although i think the odds are, yeah, with our process, we validated that this is probably almost assuredly a bad piece of info.
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>> well, it reminds me of curveball, stuff out of iraq, isn't always accurate. steve, how is the american public supposed to react to this when they hear this kind of stuff? yet we're told these coalition are tight and working together. >> we're engaged in bombing campaigns with partners in the region. isis has threatened us in lots of different ways. . we just attacked an al qaeda affiliated group called khorasan whose sole purpose was to attack westerners. so it plays into that concern and fear that people have. but what bothers me about the al abadi comments, is that we have about 1,600 people in iraq protecting that man's life and trying to keep baghdad safe and trying to do good things inside iraq. there's more than enough intelligence apparatus that the
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united states has directly on hand inside iraq, that what he did in my view was highly irresponsible. >> what's your reaction to that, admiral? that's a very profound and great point. >> well, it is a great point. but we also have to recognize this. the dangers to our homeland and the global war of terror come from over there. as good as we are, we need allies and friends. and it's a pretty bad neighborhood. and sometimes a friend today is not as friendly tomorrow. the intelligence we got to take down agzal zarqawi, that came f jordan. those who are our friends, who are not our friends, those who created isis, like saudi arabia and qatar, at times, we have to trust but verify. because we need intelligence from others also. >> and on the other hand, we
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don't want to embarrass or alienate the iraqis. they kind of are pretty important to what we're doing here right now. >> great to have both of you with us tonight. appreciate your time. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight in washington, d.c. we begin tonight with breaking news. attorney general eric holder is stepping down. a leader who fought to protect and expand the gains of the civil rights movement. and reformed the worst abuses of our criminal justice system. this afternoon at the white house, president obama applauded his commitment to justice. >> eric's father was an immigrant who served in the army in world war ii, only to be refused service at lunch counters in the nation he defended. but he and his wife

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