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this morning my question, is shondra rhimes doing it on purpose? where there is war, there is always politics. first, breaking news out of ferguson, missouri. good morning, i'm melissa harris perry. law enforcement are looking for two men that were involved in a shooting that wounded a police
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officer. he was conducting a business check at the ferguson community center. the officer encountered two men near the back of the building who ran from him. when he exited his car, he chased the men. as he got near them one of the men turned around and fired a gun. the officer was hit in the arm and is expected to survive. investigators do not think either of the men was hit. law enforcement searched the area around the community center but so far the men have not been founds. the st. louis police department have been asking to help in the information. they asked if they thought the chief could be related to recent protests in ferguson in the wake of michael brown's death. >> i don't think it is, it didn't happen in a proximity of the protest area. this area is fairly secluded,
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and i don't think is linked, it certainly doesn't appear that way. also last night another police involved shooting in st. louis county. according to authorities an off duty officer was driving his personal vehicle along interstate 70 when a driver passed him on the left. an unknown number of people in that vehicle fired shots into the officers car. he was not hit by any bullets but he was injured by broken glass. the off duty officer did not return fire. both shootings are under investigation. we'll have more on the story coming up later in the program. but for now we're going to turn to the ongoing u.s. led military campaign against isis. this morning, they're reporting new airstrikes yesterday and today in the ongoing campaign against isis. u.s. and partner nation military forces conducted eight air strikes in syria and separately
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u.s. military forces used fighter and remotely piloted aircraft for air strikes. the october surprise is looking to be an issue that no one saw coming at the start of this election year. back in january remembers were poised and ready to use the sluggish economy and the weak job market as a winning issue for the economy. the realities of the economy has been showing shines of strength. august's 142,000 jobs added was an increase. as for voters, the economy as an election finish lost some of it's luster. after briefly taking the number one spot as the most important issue in gallup poling, the economies gave the top spot to government as foremost in
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voter's list of concerns. the economy fell to third place. immigration, remember this summer's border crisis that prompted elected officials to jockey for position. unaccompanied children escaping violence in south america. interest in the border crisis increased by lawmakers and the public. and with zero hope of them acting on immigration reform, immigration just isn't the election issue it used to be. add to thats will of 2014 midterm issue issues that coul been the signature piece of policy. but there is nothing to laugh at because of the steadily declining numbers of unensured americans suggest a victory here. or the companies rushing to sell their plans on obama care's
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exchanges. when it seems like they're running out of fresh water, he made a decision that put his foreign policy squarely in their sites and right in the middle of the midterm election agenda. an expansion of the ongoing war in iraq against the islamic state. and yet, despite the fact that americans plan to use the action against isis by a 62% majority, his 38% overall approval rating has stoked midterm ads. take a look at this one. just look at the news, raising kids, there's enough to worry about and now this. so where is he putting us at risk? >> and then there is this one
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attacking rick nolan of minnesota. >> just how liberal is rick nolan. he voted to cut funds for the fight against al-qaeda. >> and my personal favorite, this add for scott brown who is running in new hampshire manages to equate a terror threat on the other side of the world with immigrants at the southern border of the u.s. radical islamic terrorists are threatening our country. i want to secure the border, keep out the people who do us harm, and restore america's leadership in the world. >> joining me now is clarence pa pa
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page, and emily, and overt roy. are democrats, are they in fact vulnerable to a attack on the president's foreign policy despite the fact that these are midterm elections where congressmen are not making foreign policy. >> they're vulnerable in the sense of emotional appeals like that scott brown ad you just showed that tries to equate isis with the border debate. they reach out to what are call security pmoms. george w. bush benefitted greatly from the question of "who will keep america safe." barack obama is very sensitive to that. he did very little that the neo cons could criticize.
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it's like he is doing the right thing right now, hopefully it will work, he still lacks leadership, but strategically, he is making moves now to deflect that criticism. >> i want to go at this a bit. it seems like this is a very delicate space for republicans to walk on this, right? on the one hand, if you're running against a democrat incumbent, you want to place any kind of scarey, you know, moment that we find ourselves in as a nation in that incumbent's feet. that means that republican incumbents would be equally open. >> one of the things that's interesting about foreign policy, when he went to syria and iraq, a lot of republicans supported it. >> it was the first time john boehner said let's give the president what he wants.
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>> i think that's important to know that whatever republicans are doing to criticize the president, say they look, we have to support the president when it comes to foreign intervention. i think it is legitimate to ask any congressman, democrat or republican, are they doing the responsible thing when it comes to foreign policy. what you think that is. >> so i love that point. i want to read to you a little of what john boehner said in the "new york times" on september 25th. he says doing this when w a whole group of members on their way out the door, i don't think that's the right way to handle this. i would suggest to you early next year, assuming that we continue in this effort -- wait, don't care if you're a lame duck or if you were elected yesterday. if you're holding office, democrat and republicans who are incumbents, you have a responsibility to address the question of our nation at war. >> without question. you took a very positive view on
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the republicans in congress saying they could come together and give the president this power. i'll take a more cynical view saying congress doesn't know how to play out the politics around this and they did as little as they could without being controversial. when they were back in session for a very short amount of time, they extended the powers that were already available to the president. that is as little as they possibly could have done while still supporting the president. they don't know where the politics on this are either. >> i'm fascinated by the idea that the thing that has risen is the biggest thing facing us. it's a fascinating and fast moving answer is now government. is that an odd sort of thing. it's not necessarily that we're worried about big government or this particular president, it's like gosh, our president doesn't seem to be working. >> can't you see why people --
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republicans and democrats, melissa. every time, there there is an old saying that nothing gets done in an election year. >> nothing was getting done prior. >> some things got done in this do nothing congress thank this year. the republicans want to hold the line and not fall behind because they're ahead in the polls right now. they know it's tenuous and they don't want to make any mistakes now like with foreign policy, an finish that americans are not initially moved by. >> that is precise what people think right now. these isis beheading videos, and the terror threating on the airplanes, it makes people feel more afraid than they have been since september 11th. i want to come back to the topic you brought up, i'm wondering if
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if you have been paying close attention to what president obama has been saying about u.s. military action in iraq and syria, you have become very familiar with two concepts that we're going degrade and destroy isis, and this. >> american forces will not be returning to combat in iraq. >> as i said before, these american forces will not have a combat mission. we will not be dragged into another ground war in iraq. >> the american forces deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. >> no matter how many times he
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says it, a poll just released this morning suggests that americans are not believing it, 72% believe that the u.s. will ultimately use american combat troops against isis. if you have an enormous number of people that think it is not enough, i think you're right. we have to have a robust public conversation. i'm just wondering if these campaign adds initiate -- they can still initiate that kind of conversation. >> i agree that some of them may not make the coherent force policy conversation, but it is an important question, why is the president's approval lower even though people generally support what he is doing. it is the perception that he doesn't have a strategy or that he is so committed against ground troops that he doesn't
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have what is needed. >> i mean part of what i wonder is if the president, too, is trying to thread the needle between "i have to look and be strong." in part for political reasons, and we have a war weary nation that does not want to see ground troops going back. >> i think that americaning right now are really torn between a couple positions. they feel nervous. they see videos of beheadings. we feel it. at home, for the first time now, we -- >> and in quite some time, right, that residue of 9/11, and then it backs off and you can go through the faster line of the airport and then you start feeling it again. >> right, but we don't want endless war. it's really hard for people to understand what is committing and going in to getting rid of the enmy.
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what is it if it doesn't mean ground troops. and one of those on the ground, what are they doing? a lot of there are there for humanitarian reasons. many of them are training ally troops. but army chief of staff said in the last week it will be really difficult for us to definitely know that we're training the right people even if we go there and we arm them. this starts to sound like endless war, it's scary. there is an additional piece coming in, are we ready to bear the burden of costs of taking care of americans that do go in and fight. >> i think the answer to that is clear, the failures around the va. extended through this president's administration, i wonder and i know my executive producer wills not be happy about this, but i want to ask you this, if part of the problem
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is you can't wait for campaign commercials to do it, and if nothing gets done in an election year, you have been in media for a long time, decades now. i wonder if part of it is that we're supposed to be the ones having the deliberative conversation, and that is difficult because we have relatively low information, and that we may not have an audience that wants to hear hey, this is hard. there is not one right answer. how do we thread that. >> you're right, but nobody said it will be easy. we're part of the process. it is important for us to do, in the media, to foster a constructive dialogue. when he gets away from his message, he delivered in chicago in his senate race when he said "i'm in favor of sensible wars
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not stupid wars." no dumb war. that is basically his siideolog. and i think most americans feel the same way. sometimes you need ground troops. once you get into the a car, you don't know how it's going to end. in iraq we don't need ground troops because the iraqi army, we hope, will help them get together. syria is a big question mark. it will take time, it will extend awhile, you want to find out what is needed. i think americans are in favor of ground troops if that's what we need. >> we have to remember -- >> i swear i'm not doing this, i'm doing this because they're yelling at me in my ear, this is not a conversation that is over and clearly as we progress we will have to keep having this conversation about what is right and what is next. when fixed income experts
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on nfl mobile. included with the more everything plan exclusively from verizon. if you tuned into mhp yesterday, you know my letter went to a teacher. the goal to make sure teachers are promoting things like zip and patriotism but not civil disorder. i tried to offer a lesson in the value of civil disobedience lesson yesterday. joe fryer has the story. throughout this week, hundreds of students have walked out of class. and act of civil disobedience. >> they're trying to show
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they're voice matters to protest plans that would wipe civil disobedience from their textbooks. >> what is happening here is part of a larger national debate that centers around a class. advanced placement in u.s. history. nationwide that course was representatively revamped. conservatives feel it features too much on negative parts of the past. jefferson county's second largest school detect, they want a committee to review the curriculum saying materialing should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife, or destruct for the love. >> i'm not saying let's not teach history accurately, i'm saying let's not encourage
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students to protest the law. >> history is dirty and that's the thing about history. it's something to learn from. >> the superintendent is meeting with students saying he respects their right to protest. >> if you make a decision to do that you need to have a very good reason and you need today be able to articulate that lesson. the real life lesson proving that decent is not something easily silenced. >> joining me now are two of the student demonstrators. nice to have you two. >> thank you for having us. >> it's nice to be here. >> what were you hoping to achieve by this protest? >> basically we want today get the school board's attention at first. they're not really listening we feel to the concerns of the community. and we felt we needed to make a show to get their attention and i think we have so far. >> one of the things i was
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impressed by is you're thinking about ongoing protests. tell me about this october 1st, october 2nd, october 4th, how you make decisions about when you want to have your next actions. >> what we want to give the school board a chance to do is address the issue. the issue is not currently on the table for this next meeting on october 2nd, but we want to tell them that we're not going to let up and we want them to discuss the issue. so we'll see what happens on october 2nd, i know myself and a lot of other students are planning to be there. on october 4th we're planning a district wide demonstration to show that this is not school led. it is the students coming together on our free time. we don't care about what school you're from it's all for the same cause. >> you think students will come out on a saturday? >> certainly, there will be less
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than we would have on a school day, but the majority of students care about the issue. i think we value our education, most of us do, and i think we need to fight for what we believe in, and sacrificing a saturday is something a lot of people will be willing to do. >> hold on i want to ask a questioned of a panelist here. i'm more of after traditionalist in it the teaching of u.s. history than some people might expect, but for me a traditional education is one that would include an understanding of civil disobedience as cords of the whole american project. our founders were civil disobedience. >> yeah, the tea party included violation of laws, and that is part of our tradition and should be taught. i think there is a legitimate conservative critique that this group of the last 50 years has tilted to the left.
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i think you hear individuals and activists inarticulately and inconsistently trying to protest against. there should be a way to talk about the recent struggles and debates in our recent history in a relative way while taking into a account that it has been an important part of history. >> do you believe that it has tilted to the left? >> no, i took the ap advanced history course my sophomore year and i was just presented with the facting and i was able to make opinions myself. that's what i think history is for. it's teaching young people mistakes that were made in the past, and to help them inform
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themselves. >> it seems the signs you were holding up, it's clear this curriculum is part of it but there is signs about chemoour public schools public, support our teachers, what else is all of this about? >> well the school board right now in jefferson county is a bit of a mess. a lot of members came from douglas county where they screwed things up there. but the other issues include the teachers weighs, their treatment of charter schools where they're funneling funds away from public schools. the secrecy in the board flp is a lot of things going on. we're focusing on the ap u.s. history because we think it is the easiest to understand and the most pressing issue. >> ashlyn and kyle, you give me an extraordinary amount of hope about what is possible in our nation because your reasons, your strategic tactical
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capacity, and the fact that your work makes me very hopeful and i appreciate the work that you're up to as legitimate organizers. thank you to my guests here. we continue to follow breaking news this morning out of ferguson, missouri. law enforcement are investigating after two separate shootings. still to come this morning, shondra rhimes drops the mic. past. i hadn't been successful. quitting smoking this time was different because i talked to my doctor and i... i got a prescription for chantix. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it was important to me that chantix was a non-nicotine pill. the fact that it reduced the urge to smoke helped me get that confidence that i could do it. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood,
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a law professor that takes card in class and in the courtroom. >> i'm sorry. it won't happen again. don't worry, we can fix this. >> i'll fix it, you stay here and collect a paycheck. >> here to discuss the rich television line up is clarence page, alisha corals, and jason lynch. so let's just start with "blackish." what did you think ultimately? >> i loved it ultimately. the scene, spoiler alert, the scene at the beginning where anthony anderson's character is waiting for his promotion and he got promoted to the urban division, i should that was very relateble and i love the three generation that's it represents in our culture. you have kid that's are assimilated, parents in the
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middle, and parents that fought for it. >> i love the ode to the obama being the first black president. who is the obama generation going to be. now we get to be playful with the question of who the obama generation will be on a tv show. >> i'm come from the eisenhower generation. >> i'm from the reagan generation. >> we loved ike. it's a fascinating show. i really like it a lot. that conference room, seemed by the way, go back and look at it. that's what i was reminded of 40 years later, the flip side of it all. i'm wondering if the show might be too black or not to reach enough middle americans to stay on the air, but i'm happy to find out the numbers were very good on the opening night. >> in part because america itself is blacker and browner than it once was. as much as network tv is finally
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noticing there are black people, in the sense of finally coming along. the other part of television now streaming on our devices is very different. i want play a moment of "transparent" and ask you about this. >> dad is a woman. >> are you saying you're going to dress like a woman all the time. >> honey, my whole life i have been dressing up like a man. this is me. >> so transparent is going to push us to manage and talk about and think about transcommunities in a new way. this is a far edgier and deeply compelling television. >> yes, i think "orange is the new black" opened the door to talk about this.
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and it's important for a company like amazon prime because it is unlike anything on tv and i think it is the best show of the fall. you're not going to see these characters anywhere else on tv. >> when you say that, i remember when fox first -- i remember when fox first came to air, it had a lot of the diversity shows on it. and then it shifted overtime, but that's how it made it's initial mark. i had back and forth feelings about that. one part of me feels like that's great, and another part of me feels like it's climbing on the back of a marginal community. >> there is so much more tv, too much good tv -- >> come on. >> there is a lot of great tv. i don't have time to watch all of the shows that i would like to watch. so it's important for someone like amazon to have a show with
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a voice out there. they can wild on that certainly afterwards just like with netflix with "orange is the new black." we'll see where they go from there. >> are the creators, directors, and producers more diverse in a variety of ways or are they the faces we're seeing on air? >> they're more diverse in a number of ways. blackish is employed blacks, latinos, and caucasians in the mix. they're not being written by white writers, but brown people, people of all colors, and by trans people. >> the actor playing the lead role in "transparent" is not trans. >> no, but the writer's father came out as trans several years
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the all shondra line up started up on thursday. it brought back "greys anatomy"
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and "how to get away with murder." and all, the finale of "scandal." the bizarre coincidence that the show was looking for a new attorney general. and the way that a show put on a clinic for nfl commissioner roger goodell. wait, you missed that part? allow me to take you back to november 2013 when "scandal's" second season shows domestic violence scene. a few months later in april 2014, columbus short, the actor that played the part of olivia
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pope's right-hand man was fired after his wife in real life took out a retraining order saying he threatened her and abused her. so what does "scandal" do? they have their republican president work hard to pass an equal pay act, and it deals with the issue of domestic violence. >> the press is loving this story. lying in a hospital bed being prayed for. he is a rapist, a sexual predator, and the survival of his assault, the hero of the story is a woman what feels like he is can't come forward, because in a he said he is said situation, a woman is not believed. because it could damage her credibility. >> and they bury harrison. there is no two episode
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suspension for harrison. they make his death a big deal. he is not on an island somewhere. no, he is not coming back. and the show about women's equality in the work force, and dealing with sexual assault, they decided to have a funeral for the character for the man in what real is a allegedly an abuser. and he was live tweeting it. are you taking notes commissioner goodell, do you think i overread that? >> no. >> that's what happened. the part columbus short also had a viewing party. shondra is a gangster. >> and he kept saying in some of the tweets, he is dead but not really dead dead. i mean he is dead, right? harrison is gone, right? >> he is dead. we spent all summer trying to get spoilers out of chandrsha s.
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>> it did feel to me like yeah, it's a tv show, but here you had a woman delivering a narrative on sexual assault while in bed with her fine man. there was a kind of -- i don't want to overstate it, but there was a "we're going to address this question." >> there was, and i think it's hard to draw lines between fixal narratives and nonfiction. and the reason why they work on tv is they resonate so well. it's remarkable about how the timing occurred here. i comment everyone involved for responding to quickly through this unusual medium of prime time tv. usually my only complaint about scandal is it gets too soapy for
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me sometimes, but i live with that every day in washington. it takes adult nerds like me to appreciate that most americans want to see that man and woman interrelationship. >> i'm just glad that the president is trying to pass a policy. grant has not tried to do anything presidential. >> i interviewed kerri washington last week, and he is created a purse and the sales from which help women get free from their abuser. i said are you going to address this on the show? and he is said you know, we're socially conscious. >> for me there was also a responsiveness to the critique. i had a critique of the scene, where there is a moment where
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they say you're lying -- it was certainly responsive to the ray rice but also to me to the critics of her own show. all right, let me ask you this. speaking of the things that we know. i want to play a little bit from "blackish" from one of the kids, and is this something that also resonates in the news these days. >> eliza jackson, which one is he is? >> the same old shoes every day and the polka dot backpack. >> are you talking about the only other black girl in your class? >> it's like the obama generation saying i don't even see race. we're dealing with the realities of ferguson, is this show that is supposed today be so inherently post racial, will it have these kids bump up against
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the american state? >> i think it will have to. as a young person, i moved every three years and moved all throughout the country, there was many years i didn't think about race. but eventually, you're going to come up against it. if the show is a reflection of our society, they will have to deal with it. one of the problems with any pilot is you have 22 minutes to establish the characters and the world. i think we'll have time to get into the world of these characters, it seems like something we'll get into pretty soon. >> i hope they hand it will more smoothly than the show that -- the show on, i think on hbo, "house of lies." they got to that point where he had to run into the cops but to me it was done so clumsily that
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it didn't seem real. >> it is interesting that roger goodell went to a domestic violence training, a shelter this week, had that experience. i'm wondering if maybe only olivia pope had been there for roger goodell from the beginning that his visit to the texas national domestic violence hotline might have happened much, much sooner. thank you to my guests, coming up next, there is breaking news out of ferguson, missouri where late last night a police officer was shot. more at the top of the hour. a body at rest tends to stay at rest. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with
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missouri. at approximately 9:10 p.m. on saturday night, an officer driving alone was doing a check at the community center. he came up on two suspects that ran and shot at him. >> he came into very close proximity with them. one of them turned, the officer was able to block it with his arm and was shot in the arm by one of the suspects. he is in an area hospital, he is expected to survive. the officer said he was able to get a couple shots off. >> police say they do not know the identity of either suspect in the shooting and they remain at large. the shooting appears to be an
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isolated incident. and it doesn't have a connection to the unarmed teenager michael brown. had this occurred anywhere with a population of 21,000, it would be popular but unlikely to garner attention. but this is ferguson that since the protests and police crashes of this summer has been a symbol of racial vulnerability. this is a city that even the president of the united states felt he had to address. >> at a summer marks by instability, i know the world took notice of a small american city of ferguson, missouri, where a young man was killed and a community was divided.
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>> that was president obama on wednesday but last night while addressing the congressional black congress, they spoke again about ferguson and the lack of trust between police and the communities of color. >> it harms the communities that need law enforcement the most. folks victimized by crime and need strong polices reluctant to go to the police. >> as president obama spoke, the family of michael brown was in the audience. and president obama is not the only official that the family has heard from. on thursday morning this week, tom jackson released a video apologizing to the family of michael brown for leaving his body in the street for four hours. >> i'm truly sorry for the loss of your son and that it took so long to remove mic from the street. the time it took involved very important work on the part of investigators trying to collect evidence and gain a true picture
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of what happened that day. but it was just too long and i'm truly sorry from that. >> according to reports, a fight between police and protestors broke out almost immediately. the rest of the night was marked by a tense stand off by protestors and police. this was the scene last night after reports that a police officer wounded by a gunshot upon committing two suspects, community members out on the street with concerns and questions. with me now is clarence page and emily tish-sussman. and in st. louis, missouri.
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everyone seems to be saying this shooting of the police officer is unconnected to anything related to the protests in the wake killing of michael brown. and it's hard to imagine there will not be residual impact of the shooting of a police officer. what do you see from the protections moving forward? >> well, first, we also had another shooting last night. there was two police involved shootings. another officer was shot at on the highway last night. so it set up a very tense night. there is so much distrust on both sides. people in the crowd heard that a young man had been killed by police in response to the officer being shot, that spread quickly and the crowd got angry. it shows that the trust between community and police is vital, and when broken it leads to
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dangerous situations. >> so all of these weeks later, we have from the ferguson police, there is still no arrest or indictment of the police officer that shot michael brown, how important is that particular event to bringing a sense of justice and rebuilding the capacity for trust. >> the folks are demanding action. they want an arrest, indictment of the officer that shot michael brown, and they asked for those that are responsible for the military style response to the protests weeks ago for someone to resign or be disciplined for that. they have not gotten any of that and they say they will continue until they get some more of action. >> i'm wondering if you were there when the police chief
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tried to march with protestors. >> so, i watched it on a live stream, and once i saw the confrontation i arrived there shortly after that. it appeared that the chief, who i think is trying to make make. and the part that i think he doesn't see is that he is an obstacle to this community moving forward. it would be best if he did resign and show accountability for the police response. it also allows the community to have a new face to the police department, one that perhaps had a better relationship with the community and was more reflective of the community. >> one more question for you. my understanding is there was
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ferguson police that have been wearing "i am dareren wilson ar bands. the department of justice requested they stop doing so. but have you heard from people there on the ground about them wearing the i am darren wilson wristbands. >> it angered the crowd. it was officers who arrived to a very violent scene on tuesday when we had looting and a large crowd. and they arrived and some of them had the wris bands that said "i am darren wilson." michael brown's mother was asked about it in an ap story.
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he is said he is felt that they reflected how those people and police officers really feel about this situation. about that population here in ferguson. >> stick with us for a second. he sets a picture for us about what happened on the ground, and many of us not following in the way that the 24 hour coverage was, how do we keep focus on what is happening here without having it have to be another shooting of a civilian or police officer to get us to remember that ferguson is still a continuing issue. >> i think in and out of ferguson, we want to commend the protestors that we would not have heard about this story. we hear about these stories all of the time. this became a national flash point. so as we think about what are the next steps as they take action over the weekend of october 10th and in the next
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several weeks around the indictment. how is the governor going to get involved in this. we have seen show a democratic governor association going to hold him accountable. no interest in moving this case forward in a way. we saw this just recent hi all around the country. there is no incentive for these prosecutors when the victim is black and the officer is white. so if the governor, who needed black votes, who needs the black community, t -- what they have the table. and those are the other ways that we all, around the country, as we look at ferguson, we may not be able to get there. what we can do in our individual ways around the country to get around and bring accountability to the situation. >> thank you so much for joining
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us. also thank you for, can quite hone honestly, for your social media presence. for those of us that don't live in ferguson, draws us back in and helps us remember what is happening on the ground there. >> when we come back how president obama weighed in last night on the tensions between police and the communities they serve. an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪ those hot dogs look good. oh yeah, hebrew national. their all-beef like yours but they're also kosher. so, not just any beef goes into it. oh, honey! oh! here, have some of ours. oh! hebrew national.
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the anger and the emotion that followed his death awakened our nation to the reality that the people in this room have long understood that in too many places around the country, a gulf of trust is between law enforcement and the community. too many young people feel targeted by law enforcement.
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>> that was president obama speaks last night at an awards dinner. the president is trying to thread some needles, but there is a great deal of evidence that they are targeted by the police, but then you have a police shooting, and whether it is connected or not, a police shooting in -- a shooting of a police officer becomes an overwhelming narrative because we, as a country, as we see in the eric frein man hunt, we do not tolerate the shooting of american police officers. >> that's true. so the help that is coming out right now is coming from the police officers. it is still very vague around it. i do think that the prosecutor in the michael brown case needs to come forward with an indictment, but as a rule of
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law, as a person who protects rule of law, i understand that you want to make sure your case sticks. you absolutely want to make sure your case sticks. but the rule of law is not necessarily on the side of where we want to see emotions and activism and what is good and fair. there is so much leeway for the police to decide when you use force. so because they have that it becomes harder for them to build a case. these are all pieces we need to tackle. >> i was just trying to sit and think through this with as little emotion as possible, but you know on the one hand, you have the question of making a case stick. but it simply does not, when you have tear gas, curfews, leaving
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this boy in the street for four hours, and the chief of police apologizing saying well, we had to do an investigation while he laid there. and you compare that to what happens in chasing the survivalist that shot the police officers in pennsylvania. you can respond in different ways to a shooting. >> yeah, there is a lot of ways of responding, this is how the system works and doesn't work. i'm reminded of the rodney king officers. there was a riot. no one was happy on either side. it's the way things work. now in ferguson, the attorney general's office under eric holder is investigating out there. you have a back out, if you're not satisfied, but what happens if the feds decide not to prosecute. it is really a way that things
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work under the current system and i think a real answer in the long term is for ferguson people to go out and vote. they are working on getting some good political representation for the folks. >> and i appreciate the voting. i mean that's great, but i think as we saw with the democratic governor of missouri, voting may or may not get you the representation that you're hoping for. i'm wonder how the people of ferguson took the news that eric holder is resigning if they feel more vulnerable once again that the person that championed and seemed to be hearing them, are stepping down. >> i think there was good things that came out of the attorney general coming there but what we're seeing is a set up. i remember growing up and seeing members about the south and movies around the prosecutor not really prosecuting, and police not doing their jobs, and being
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on the ground in ferguson, watching this play out, watch fg the fact that darren wilson is a murder suspect. he was on the stand for like four hours. unless there was some sense of agreement or something, no good defense attorney would have put their person on the stand for four hours and allowed them to be twob ha-- to have that back forth. the matter is that we have seen the fact that the prosecutor didn't actually put any charges up. he threw the book and he is giving law books to the jury and saying hey, you figure out whether it is murder one or -- that is not actually what happens when someone wants an indictment. there is no political incentive for this prosecutor to move it forward. the cards are stacked against justice for black people in this situation. the only recourse is a political
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and activist one. those folks on the ground doing the work, raising their voices, ought to be commended. they're making it an issue for folks around this country. this one is not going away. >> when you say a political one, that's part of -- so, because president obama in the course of his pregnancy has given us some of the most personal poignant telling moments about his understanding of that connection. and even in the context of the zimmerman verdict, a question about policing community, but then last night also was equivocating in ways about it being about a gulf of his trust. i keep wanting to say it's not a gulf of mistrust. it's about violence by the empowered towards the disempowered and the need of the disempowered to speak back.
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yes, political solutions, but also when it's the best of us insufficient. >> i think when we see the video of the police chief, he is apologizing. there seems to be emotion there. it seems like he is not a bad person. i would say at best he has low emotional iq and terrible leadership skills and setting a terrible precedence for his police. and he clearly has no control over them. >> the fact of the matter is, say i have a problem with my verizon bill and i go back and forth and they apologize and take something off my bill, no political structure has been changed there, right? they made that apology because it was a calculation that they needed to make that. but i didn't win anything for other consumers. nothing structurally changed. there will be a set of apologies. there will be speeches made, and in the end, young black people
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will still be in harm's way when they come in contact with police and parents and people who love black people have to be deeply concerned. >> and no one here is suggesting that verizon has racial bias. >> yes. >> coming up, more and more videotape keeps coming to light of black men being shot by police. a mess? i don't think -- what's that? snapshot from progressive. plug it in, and you can save on car insurance based on your good driving. you sell to me? no, it's free. you want to try? i try this if you try... not this. okay. da! "hello. you can go ahead and "have a nice flight."re." ♪ music plays
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two weeks ago, we had the father of john crawford iii who is was four of a man shot and killed in a walmart parking lot. crawford's father wanted the tape released for exactly that reason. >> it is playing with dynamite in a sense that it will cause some people to lose their career, cause some people to go to jail. so the under dotone there is ye we are playing with dynamite. there is truth on that video. >> police were responding to a 911 call claiming that crawford had a rival and he was walking
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around aiming it at children. turned out it was an unloaded bb gun from the store itself. i want to warn you that it is disturbing. in the video, he can be seen walking to the end of a pet supplies aisle with the toy kbun on his shoulder. it will be another five-and-a-half minutes until he is not by the police. in the meantime, he barely moves. there is no audio from the walmart surveillance cameras. the fbi synced the tape with the 911 call. >> where is your emergency? >> i'm at the walmart, there is a gentleman walking around with a gun in the store. >> does he have it pulled out? >> yeah, he is pointing it at
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people. >> it will be another four-and-a-half minutes until john crawford is shot. not much happens, he doesn't really move around. it appears at one point while he is at the back of the aisle, talking on the phone, staying on the line. the caller describes a different thing all together. >> i got -- >> what do you need? >> he just pointed it at like two children. >> it is another 70 seconds until john crawford is shot, standing in that same praise, toy gun at his side unaquare of anything around him. the next cliply play -- clip i
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play is when two police officers come around the corner. even with the tape, even with the 911 call audio, it's hard to tell exactly what happened. officers yelled to crawford repeatedly to put the gun down before they shot him. if you listen closely you hear someone yell down and the officer quickly opens fire. this video is very disturbing. >> oh, god. >> what's going on? >> john crawford's father said the truth was on the video and that it would end careers and send people to jail. the same day the video was released, we found out that a grand jury decided not to bring
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any charges against the officers in the shooting. now the justice department is investigating. that video this week and the grand jury decided not to bring charges, you brought up rodney king earlier. the video itself is just a foto. >> that's right, the police were called, and the 911 call does not describe accurately what is going on. it makes up a scenario of a young man waving the gun at people. and police say they said repeatedly to put the gun down, you don't see or hear any evidence of that. those two elements alone indicate a tragedy was about to happen here. based on a false -- well first a false witness and then improper engagement by police. >> wa
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>> walmart sells that gun. the thing he was walking around with was sold in the store, and ohio is an open carry state. if you were carrying an actual gun it would not be a violation of law. >> they are one of the biggest lobbyis lobbyists. they wrote the stand your ground law. they ran that committee with the nra that wrote that law. they have been involved in this for years. for open carry and stand your ground laws to work, people have to see black folks as human. in a world that often times does not do that, what happened with the video not being released is that for weeks they were able to criminalize john crawford and we did not know what happened. >> i will say that whether or
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not white folks, the family clearly did, there is a woman there standing there shopping with her kids and he is is not even slightly phased. he is can see and notice he is a man standing in ohio in a walmart holding an item that can be purchased in that walmart. >> there is a ton of it going on around texas depending on the state law and that store. if that had been a real gun, that might have been fine. the only element that we see in this video, we see it in the lack of indictment there, is the capability of people being able to use, being afraid of somebody just because they're black in a factor of being afraid of them. i think that we're going to come to something of a head moving ahead. we may have hit it now, but the groups saying this is my second
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amendment right, and black people walking around just trying not to get shot. >> it was black panthers carrying rivals openly in california when ronald reagan was governor that moved the state to ban the open carry. what we have seen now is white men carrying guns. >> there is a lot of police officers doing great work. but the south carolina video we saw where there is tons of civilians and bystanders, and gas pumps, and these officers walking into a walmart full of children and shoppers. as far as i can tell no one is trying -- if you think there is a shooter in a store, maybe try to get people out. is it seriously police procedure to walk into a walmart and start shooting? it can't possibly be, right? >> no, that was not proper
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police procedure for a s.w.a.t. team or anyone else. >> it sends a message this is okay, it is acceptable. i think the power thing about video whether it was here in new york or anywhere, we're entering and age where more people have live access to video. how we translate that to more political power will be the questions for activists, organizations, and civil rights in the years to come. >> it can just make you feel crazy. it just makes you feel like clearly i lost my mind. thank you to emily tish-sussman.
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20 years ago, a man from queens, new york put his life into a nine-song album that was immediately considered a classic. that young man who created it, the hip hop rapper that fans know as nas is a multiplatinum selling artist. he is recognized as one of the giants of the again ragenera.
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20 years later, they go back and look at the conditions that inspired and crafted him as he brought this classic work. the film returns nas to his roots in the queens. his ability as an emcee, and his insights into what defined life in the urban underclass changing the rage and hope of a generation. >> i gaf you wh-- gave you what the streets felt like and looked like. >> one of the best albums of all time. >> joining me now eric parker and one nine. you started this at the tenth anniversary and you finished it
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at the 20th, why did it take a decade to make this? >> to go back in 2004, we started shooting this out of our pocket because we were passionate. we knew it had a greater story to tell. when we started we didn't have a lot of money, it was me, one nine, and a few friends trying to get together and put a story together. it took awhile to pick it up, put it down, get funding to tell the story, a major part of getting it out there to the people. it takes that long to make this story make sense, and that ten years we needed to reflect to get ahold of this story. >> it is clear the first decade that it is lyrically musically, culturally the perfect album, and then ten years later, the reality comes all of the way
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back around, what did you learn? >> when we first did the first interview with nas' father, we learned about the history of blues, jazz, the cultural significance of what the jones family was about, the books they read, the finishes in the community, we wanted to not just make a hip hop documentary, we wanted to make a story that relates to our culture on the inside and out. and it is the result of what came out of this. >> i want to show a photograph. these are young men sitting there on a bench in queens bridge. tell me about nas' reaction to this and who those men are and what their stories are. >> there was one, in the film there is one scene that is very poignant that cuts to the point of this story. nas looks at his brother, they go through the picture of them
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on the bench that was somewhat iconic in our world, and he talks about the people who are on that bench sitting next to nas. and he goes through one after the other. what happened to this one, to that one, and to each one. not all of them but so many of them they have tragic stories associated with them. there's little kids in the picture who are grown men today that have tragic stories associated with them. you see the emotion on him and you see that he sees himself as a survivor of sorts, and there is always a bigger story with nas and illmatic. >> that moment is so powerful in part because i think about the privilege associated with having the family albums, childhood albums, school albums, you look at that picture from ten years ago, 20 years ago. and we're looking like oh, he is became a doctor, and like the
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difference between what the stories of relative privilege are versus what it means in this moment. >> we felt like nas was a voice for the voiceless. the people in the forecast, the people missing, that are locked up or dead, he is the voice that reflects in illmatic. we looked at the song titles, we looked at the family being torn apart. the song "one love" is an ode to the prison systems and he is reflecting what is going on in his community. so our film looks at those issues. what drove them to really write this. and those for us is something that needs to be told. we need to tell our stories coming from our culture. >> time is illmatic. >> you're developing a curriculum associated with this to be part of a deeper, riching
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clarence page has chronicled three decades of race, politics and social change. he underscored the question can we all get along? he weighed in on every history-making moment of the election of president obama. and analyzed how the overzealous drug sentencing policies of the war on drugs have devastated communities. the columnist has given readers 30 years of thought provoking commentary on social, political and cultural conflicts from abroad and on the home front. on each page of his new book,
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culture worrier, page sheds insight and critique about every major event, election and gaffe that have shaped our country since the early 80s. someone with his accolades and achievements might attempt to claim a kind of cultural superiority. but page writes, quote, in response to the cultural warriors, i have known and covered, i am a culture worrier. i worry about those who claim more cultural supremacy than they deserve to claim. back at the table, clarence page, and i realize once i started saying it how hard it is to say. "culture worrier." what is a culture worrier? >> makes people look twice on the book shelf. no, you know, we hear so much about culture warrior, i told -- i was talking to my good friend pat buchanan. a long time adversary. he kept saying, is that culture worrier? and i said, yes, pat. i'm worried about the culture
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you culture warriors. >> yeah, exactly. i brought this up earlier. you write i'm thankful to have come up in a world of newspapers, before mass media lost their mission to offer all things to all people. conditions you to be broad-minded. in the agele of target marketing, i struggle against narrow casting. don't fence me in. are you doing a kind of golden age nostalgia there? >> yes, i'm told that i'm getting into my anecdotage. but, you know, when we start telling stories. >> that's right. back then it was so much better. >> yeah, no question about it. >> as fond as it may be, i love this new age. i'm plunging into it. i tweet, i facebook. i do all this stuff. but i recognize like any other media, there's an upside and a downside. we are a more fragmented society than back in the days where everybody knew not only lucy and
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rickey, but the next door neighbors fred and ethel. it was also a monolithic culture. you didn't see many people of color. rickey ricardo was about as close as you got. no, i like the way we're going now better, but with caution as we are learning every day. >> i was not surprised. but i was sad to hear that eric holder is going to be stepping down. although, if he has to wait for someone else to be confirmed, who knows, maybe he won't. but what do you think will be the great legacy of eric holder? >> i think it'll be a mixed legacy because on the one hand, he's been bold and courageous in regard to civil rights. he carries a personal and family as well as public legacy. and has made some great strides on behalf of people of color, women, same-sex marriage. other things. on the other side, there is civil liberties. >> yes. >> such as i'm on the board of the committee to protect journalists. i was one of the journalists that met with holder among others after the disclosures about the nsa and when they went
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after "a.p." reporters, a fox news reporter. this is in many ways, the worst press freedom administration since nixon and maybe including nixon according to some experts. i thought i would never be saying that about a constitutional lawyer barack obama. but that's -- that's where we are. >> constitutional lawyer -- >> i love that. that's actually, that's actually very nice, that civil rights civil liberties. but let me talk to you about president obama for a moment, also a chicagoan. >> oh, yeah. >> are you surprised that the first black president was a next door neighbor kind of -- or was it not surprising it would come out of chicago. >> well, as a fellow chicago transplant. born and raised somebody else but adopted the city, i could see why he was attracted. because it's the best political town, media town in america, as far as i'm concerned. and in many ways, he came to chicago to learn how to be black. and those who read his memoirs will understand what i'm talking about. which is why he was so attracted to reverend jeremiah wright and
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other figures viewed as controversial. when the story becomes a national political story. but in chicago, this is just part of the local culture. there's that word culture again. >> it's so interesting when you say that. the more people understood, the more they would get, everybody went to reverend wright's church. >> my wife was born and raised in hyde park. >> it's a specific kind of place. thank you to clarence page, and once again, the book is hard to say but good to read, "culture worrier." thanks to you at home for watching. right now, time for preview of "weekends with alex witt." well, president obama directly confronting the issues in ferguson, missouri. what he told the congressional black caucus. could the new attorney general be a woman? what one person who close to the president and eric holder told me. and how much do americans drink? a new study puts that all in perspective. don't go anywhere. i'll be right back. ys gives you the good news in person,
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new and shocking information coming to light today about a shooting at the white house three years ago. details on an incident that could have put the first family in jeopardy. another night of unrest in ferguson, missouri. one officer is shot. and we hear from the police chief again. what's he saying about the latest incidents? the latest on new air strikes by the u.s. did a key terror leader get killed in the fighting? a live report on the front lines from nbc's richard engel. drinking in america. a new look at how much alcohol we consume. some of the numbers are staggering. hello, everyone, it's high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." the secret service is under fire today following a new report that is raising questions about a 2011 incident when a gunman opened fire hitting the white house. nbc's kristen wr


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