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well, someone called this the october surprise. at the rate the ebola surprises are coming, it's going to be a november game-changer. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >> tonight on "all in." >> travel restrictions or bans. >> i recommended a quarantine in the infected region. >> ebola hearing as republicans line up to call for a travel ban, some are accusing the government of hiding the truth about the disease. then, bill o rye o'riley and joan stuart go head-to-head. tonight, we'll tell you the real story of levittown. >> we go back to florida as rick scott hits the fan. >> we have been told that governor scott will not be participating in this debate. >> the incumbent governor of
florida is a no-show thanks to a fan under his podium. frank will join me tonight as we examine exactly what happened. >> is there anything wrong with being comfortable. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. just moments ago, president obama pushed back on mounting calls to impose a travel ban from the west african countries where the outbreak began. >> i don't have a philosophical objection, necessarily, to a travel ban, if that is the thing that is going to keep the american people safe. if we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols that we've put in place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. people do not readily disclose their information. they may engage in something they called broken traffic. essentially breaking up their
trip so that they can hide the fact that they've been to one of these countries where there is a disease in plaus. and, as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease. they're less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly. and, as a result, we could end up having more cases than less. now, i continue to push our experts whether in fact we're doing what's adequate to protect the american people. if they come back to me and they say that there's some additional things that we need to do, i assure you, we will do it. >> president's comments amid growing concerns where a house panel today over lapses of an ebola response that led to the infection of two nurses at that texas hospital. nina fomm is now on her way from presbyterian hospital to a specialized facility of the national institutes of health in
maryland. >> was this information given to your emergency room personnel? and was there any actual person-to-person training at texas presbyterian for the staff at that time? yes or no? >> it was given to the emergency department. >> was there actual training? >> no. >> this morning, on the "today" show, another nurse at texas health department presbyterian what she saw as the hospitals mishandled response. >> they gave us an optional seminar to go to. just informational. not hands-on. it wasn't even suggested that we go. it wasn't, you know, something that they said, you know, you really should try to make it. it was no special gear. we were under-paired in the sense that we did not know what to do with the lab specimens.
i just couldn't believe it, you know. and the second week of the ebola crisis at my hospital, the only gear they're offering us at that time and up until that time is gear that is allowing our necks to be uncovered. >> another nurse told nbc news that she is confident and the hospital has been pushing back on other nurses. the hopt is for the first time acknowledging missteps that may have resulted in the death of thomas eric duncan, the first ebola patient diagnosed in the u.s. who succumbed to the illness last week.
>> the cdc also came under fire in today's hearing why the there was allowed to board a plane with an elevated temperature on monday? >> your comments you just made to us was that if she was wearing properly protected gear, she's okay to travel. if she was not, she should not have traveled. you just told us you don't know. we need to find that out. >> if there's one thing that everyone agreed on is that everyone on the republican side of the aisle is to control the travel in the countries where the outbreak originated. >> the president does have the legal authority to impose a travel ban because of health reasons, including ebola. >> i want to choin the chairman in urging the president to immediately institute a travel ban. >> i think perhaps this committee should consider forwarding to the full house a
request that we have a vote on travel restriction because people are asking us to do that. and i think they are exactly correct. >> this is the question the american public is asking. why are we still allowing folks to come over here? and why once they're over here, is there no quarantine. >> even jamaica, as i read in the press earlier this week, has issued a travel ban from folks coming from west africa. are you aware of that? >> but as the president explained, here's why a travel ban is actually a pretty bad idea. under the status quo, a man in guinea would have to go through screening before getting on his flight. if he didn't have a fever or other sitsymptoms, he'd be able to depart. for travel ban in place, it would notlessly keep this hypothetical man from getting into the u.s. all he would have to do is cross the border from guinea into mali. and there would be no screening
and no record. the patient would have insentive to lie. further, a travel ban would massively complicate aid workers, doctors and others from getting in and out of west africa where they are desperately needed to contain the outbreak at its source. the white house has so far resisted the growing calls for a travel ban. moments ago, president obama said he would consider apointing an ebola czar. >> it may make sense for us to have one person in part just so that after this initial surge of activity we can have a more regular process just to make sure that we're crossing all the ts and doting all the is. >> i spoke to one of the members of the house committee that heard the hearing today and i asked her what she learned.
>> well, i think we learned that there were lessons learned. i think we learned that the presbyterian hospital in dallas made some mistakes and i think there were mistakes made by the cdc. by the ultimate thing that i learned, number one, we need to work hard as part of an international community to contain the outbreak of in virus in west africa. and number two, we need to concentrate on our first responders, our emergency rooms, our icus, to make sure that they can identify anybody who comes in with ebola symptoms and then be able to train them. >> do you think that you have a clear sense now of where the breakdowns happen and what is now being done to rectify those breakdowns? it seems inevitable, just given the math, that there will be another ebola patient who walks into some other emergency room during the course of this outbreak. >> i think we have to prepare for the worst. and, obviously, having another ebola patient would be the worst.
but i think people still need to realize that it's very hard to transmit this. you can't just get it from the air like you can the flu or a cold. so that's poshlt e important for people to realize. we learned some good information today. we learned for example -- what we knew already that when mr. duncan came into the hopt in dallas and he said that he had come from west africa and he had a fever, they sent him home. and then we learned today that when he came back to the hospital for the first two days hoefs there and he was very, very sick in icu, the doctor told us that it's likely that that's when these nurses were contaminated because the hopt wasn't using all the protocols that it could. so that needs to be beefed up. and then the final thing that i really learned is that the cdc needs to educate its providers much more clearly and they also need to be much more clear about these travel bans. >> yeah, talk about the travel bans.
there has been a chorus for the republican party for a ban. what do you think? what do you learn about that issue today? >> well, when i said travel bans just now, i meant bans for the people who are being watched, the 41 people who are being watched. some people are calling for travel bans from west africa to the united states. i, you know, the doctor said that's on the table. and if he thinks that could work, he'll do it. but what we need to realize is that we need to contain that virus in west africa. so anybody who thinks that a travel ban is going to stop ebola from getting here is very, very foolish. this is a chart that we put into the record. i don't know if you can see it. we put this into the record at the hearing today and what it shows is people fly from west africa all around the world. if we did a travel ban in the
united states, people could still come to europe or south america or other places. and the world health organization has said that if we don't stop ebola in west africa, 1.2 million people could be effected. well, if that happens, you're going to have people with ebola all around the world, whether you have a travel ban or not. i think that's a little bit of a red herring. >> so do you think right now there's sufficient resources being devoted to that project? and there's a sufficient
we should be worried about isis infecting themselves and traveling to this country in order to use the virus as a buy logical weapon. here was his response. >> it's something i started to think about it since this ebola outbreak started. we should do everything possible to defend ourselves against that possibility. i think that is a real and present danger. >> real and present danger. joining me now, editor in chief of vox.com. i feel like we are watching all of the worst dysfunctions of american politics play out before our eyes three weeks before an election in which you have politicians basically looking for some kind of brute force response that is going to play the best in election as opposed to what would actually best-address the problem. >> incredible levels of fear do not tend to improve politics as
a general rule. and, yeah, you have an issue happening now where you have politicians back at home. people terrified. they're coming to them. they want something done. and the publishings do not have a good answer. ebola isn't something you can ledge slat away. the thing that makes an intuitive sense of people and i think it should be said that it's clear why it does is a travel ban. so that becomes the thing. number one, your constituent sill wants you to. now you can't go back to people and say they're fighting for what you want. but those democrats right-hand turn giving it to you. so that is an easy way to seem like you're doing something and there's a political value ents as to why it isn't getting done. >> some people have been saying his affinity is with africa and
that's why he won't institute a travel ban. he just says everyone who studies infectious diseases has told me this is a bad idea and will make the problem worse. >> yeah. i think it's worth saying. i think he gave a very good explanation why travel bans are a bad idea. but people, i think, missed it. the most important thing for making ebola -- for stopping ebola is west africa. it's not america. a disease cluster in dallas. the problem is starting out in dallas, imcolluding the nursz going on that plane. the issue with ebola is when you have isolation points. we are so far from that in america, anything like that isn't a consideration. the way that it happens is not that it happens here. it's not that it jumps from west africa to dallas. it overwhelms west africa and
gets into india. you see that congressman had that chart of travel. and it begins to happen that way. and you get into a situation where the numbers are so large. they are very, very effective and they are incredibly time consuming. incredibly labor intensive and require the infrastructure of isolation words that that fails you because you simply have too many patients. if you want this to not become a global epidemic. if you want this not to become a problem where it's popping up in every city and airport, the thing to focus on is west africa. >> that is exactly, exactly correct. thank you. >> the texas school that rejected students from nigeria because of ebola ahead. ♪
>> are you worried because they had that breakout of ebola in dallas. are you worried about your team going in dallas and, maybe, like, catching ebola or something like that? are you guys going to have to take medical precautions? >> i think the cowboys are going to get it first. so it's to our advantage. >> giants were actually briefed on ebola ahead of their trip to dallas this weekend. but they should probably be more worried about trying to beat a team that's 5-and-1.
was put in isolation reads, quote -- >> that letter was sent to at least two nigerian applicants. today, the school stood by the decision saying quote -- >> so it looks like the texas school is now blocking all students from countries labeled "at risk" of ebola. we know they've rejected students from nigeria. nigeria has actually done a very good job of containing ebola. nigeria flew into what could have been a complete and total disaster in one of the most heavily populated and poorest cities.
instead, it looks as if to be a successful containment. eight times the population of guinea, sierra leone and liberia combined. nigerians had no new cases since august and has been declared ebola free by the world health department organization. it's been such a successful effort, the cdc has sent researchers to see just how it was done. doctor, how did nigeria that has a lot less money and less well-endowed health infrastructure pull this off? >> good evening, chris. there are a lot of reasons why nigeria has been so successful. nigeria has not been suffering through horrible conflict and civil war like the three most affected countries are.
they went through horrible civil war, total depletion of health care infla structure. we're looking at a very different situation in nigeria. there's a lot of health disparities because there's a lot of poor people, but there is an infrastructure in place. and then there's another infrastructure not many people know about that was articulated very well to me by my colleagues at the bill and melinda gates foundation. in 20 12, they put together a polio emergency response unit. so this was a presidential task force for combatting polio in this country. and they created an entire health care infrastructure just for purposes of combatting polio. so when the first ebola case hit from the individual coming in from liberia, they used that as a template to mobilize a similar type of emergency operations unit.
they used some of the same polio people that were so successful in controlling polio, put them on and repurposes for ebola. they mobilized a thousand soshl woerkers and caseworkers and they snuffed it out. i think it's a great example of how they went from one case to 20 and then snuffed it out as opposed to what we're seeing elsewhere in west africa. >> it isn't necessarily rocket science. it's a certain brut force and care and labor and execution of the plan that matters. >> yeah, exactly. that's why we'll never see an ebola outbreak in the united states. we have a terrific health care infrastructure and a great public health response unit, both at the federal level through centers for disease control and excellent state and local health agencies. we have the ability to identify a contact and there are been no additional cases in the community.
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i want you to admit that there is such a thing as white privilege. that's all i want you to admit. >> i knew you were going to say that. [ cheers and applause ] >> that's it. just a little -- i just -- i just want you to say i'm -- i'm -- i'm terribly, terribly wrong on this. >> bill o'riley and john stuart debating white privilege sends like a joke, but it happened last night. o'riley has long argued there's just no thing. last night, stuart tried his best with persistence and anonimty to try to get bill to understand the privilege. and how it might ef enapply -- >> do you think your upbringing gave you values and ethics? >> yes, it did. >> you didn't grow up rich. >> no. we didn't have any money at all. >> you worked hard. >> yes. >> you lived where? >> levittown. >> so you lived in a nice home, those houses are subsidized. >> no, they weren't subsidized.
they were sold to gis and the gis got a mortgage they could afford. look, you're making a huge mistake. >> no, no, no, no. let me just ask you a question. did that upbringing leave a mark on you even today. >> of course, every upbringing leaves a mark on other people. >> right. could black people live in levittown? >> not at that time. >> so that, my friend, is what we call in the business white privilege. >> okay. that was in 19 -- [ cheers and applause ] >> no. >> that was in 1950, all right. >> 19 50. were there black people living there in 1960? >> in levittown? >> yes. >> there weren't. >> how do you know? >> i read up. >> you don't know that. i can find somebody. >> my point is this. >> while would you want to live there, it's a nice place, but it's not like it's bell air. >> it's a place that built values. what you don't understand is -- -- >> there were millions of black
neighborhoods that built values. millions of them. >> but imagine growing up that you, as an american, as a g.i. fought in world war ii couldn't buy into that because you were less. >> it was unfair. >> and the residue of that continues today and that is white privilege. >> you may not be familiar with the story of o'riley's hometown of levittown, new york. but it was a great example for sturt to use to make the point of white privilege. in february of this year, just after his super bowl interview, we took a look at the place bill o reilly once called home. >> i think you are much more of a friendly state. i'm more of a self alliance guy. >> during his sit down with president obama, bill o reilly brought out one of his more famous themes. he's a self-made man. and those who don't subscribe to his political philosophy are looking for a hand out.
the president took issue with that. >> you and i took advantage of certain things. i don't know about you, but i got tom loans to go to college. >> see, that's who i am. >> i painted houses during the summer, too. it's still 1-0. >> as bill o reilly will tell you, the place that made him is levittown. >> no uncle in the business, no social skills at all, i'm sure you'd agree, kissed nobody's butt ever, rise up and command the position that i command. that couldn't happen in switzerland. it couldn't happen in japan. it happens in america. >> and though it might come as a shock to bill o reilly, levittown is creation of government policy. in the suburban post-war boom, long island's levittown was the model. >> back in 1950, it was easier to buy the middle class life. levittown was the first to complete communities.
>> levittown was created by a lot of hard working people, a few smart developers and federal housing policy. among them was world war ii veter ran eugene burnett, who, in a 2 00 3 pbs documentary, explaped what happened to he and his wife when they tried to buy a house in levittown. >> i went up to the sales man. we're interested in getting a home. we're interested in buying one. what are the procedures? is there an application to be filled out? so he looked at me and looked around and he said -- he says listen, it's not me, but the owners of this development have not as yet decided to sell these homes to negros. >> the fha underwriters warned that the presence of even one or two non-white families could undermine real estate values in the new suburbs.
these government guidelines were widely adocumented by private industry. >> discriminatory federal policies, like those of the federal housing administration, helped build the welt in america suburbs. and they also helped build the poverty in america's ghettos. and it only started to end in 1968, with the passage of the fair housing act. now, let's be clear. this doesn't take anything away from the grit, determination and hard work of bill o reilly or anyone who koim out of levittown. we are all standing on a scaffolding of laws and government policy. this isn't some kind of speculation. it's documented. in 2 0 0 8, the cornell poll asked people whether they had ever used a government social program. 57% of people said no. as political scientist susan metler write, 9 4% of those using a government program have
: few political races this midterm election have been quite as enjoyable as the government's race in vermont. the green moin tan state is an inclusive state, so everyone currently running for the office of governor, all seven of them, keep getting included in that debate. last week, you got to meet candidates like self-described socialist peter diamondstone. the spekt kal and bearded independent candidate bernie peeters. and half aficionado ericsson. >> second of all, i would reinstate all the rest areas on the state highway that peter schemlin has removed.
>> we've actually been adding rest area facilities. >> you've taken them out in '91 and '8 899. >> i can assure you that there have been no rest areas removed in my governor ship. >> ms. ericson and her hate proved to be one of the breakout stars of the evening. >> fletcher-free library. i went there recently. they refused to allow aadulthoods to use headphones. they said children could use them in the children's library. on chester vermont, no headphones. public libraries, and not all want you to go out and protest, have 35 strike fighter jets because they're designed to be dual capable to carry nuclear bombs and we've got to stop nuclear proliferation. thank you.
>> ladies and gentlemen, we have an extremely peculiar situation right now. we have governor charlie crist. >> last night, we brought you the breaking news of florida governor rick scott's near no-show in the gubernatorial dwell bait over his opponent, florida governor charlie cryst. >> grovel nor cryst has asked to have a fan, a small fan, placed underneath his podium. the rules of the debate that i was shown by the skothd campaign say that there should be no fan. somehow, there is a fan there and for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that governor scott -- really? >> will not join us for this debate.
>> ladies and gentlemen -- >> what can we say? >> well -- >> that's the ultimate pleading of the fifth i've ever heard. >> do the rules of the debate say that there should be no fan? >> not that i'm aware of. >> so the rules that the scott campaign just showed us that says no electronics can be used -- >> are we really going to debate about a fan? or are we going to talk about education and the environment and the future of our state? i mean, really. >> later in the debate, governor scott attempted to explain his side of what has become to be known as fangate. >> governor scott, why the delay of coming out over a fan. >> he said he wasn't going to come -- he said he wasn't going to come to the debate. >> afterwards, the cryst campaign posted a copy of the contract which has a hand-written asterisk adding with understanding the debate
host will address any temperature issues with a fan as necessary. as documented, char wills ie had a long relationship with fans. he seemed to pull the same stuntd with his gubernatorial opponent in his 2 0 0 6 debate. he said that's not fair, get another fan in here or i'm walking out. the debate was delayed several minutes until the second fan could be found. after last night's debate, scott never refused to take the stage and debate. but charliecryst can bring whatever to the debate. joining me now, the panel of last night's debate. all right. so what happened? what happened? please explain? >> well, they -- the governor people agreed to not have a fan there. it was written and actually said the word fan on it.
i don't know why. but that was what the debate sponsor set up. and then suddenly oh, and they had this asterisk if it got too warm in the hall. so the organizers turned the air-conditioning down so it was one point just before the debate, 66 degrees up there on the stage under the lights. but, still, one of chrst's people went in and installed this fan. so governor scott's people kept them off. >> so here's how i read the situation. the scott camp knows that he has this thing about needing to have a fan. it's clearly a comforted thing. there's a long documented hisz ri. so scott people think oh, we're going to screw him. we're going to negotiate debate terms so he can't have a fan. and the chrst people sneak a fan out there and then the scott people are totally flum oked. is that how this went down? >> i don't know why it was in the greemt.
>> yeah, who cares? >> i don't know. i've actually asked the debate sponsors that and hope to get an answer by tomorrow. wu it was part of the agreement. >> were you at any point concerned you were going to have to vamp for the hour that was budgeted? or call the thing? >> we were over there kind of looking concerned and exchanging notes and trying to figure out what to do, especially if governor skothd didn't come out. were we just going to talk to governor chryst for an hour. so we would have challenged him, as we did, later and we also challenged governor scott. but, personally, governor scott's people thought better of it than to send him out. i personally think boast candidates lost some points on it. maybe governor skothd lost a few more.
it was a statewide television audience. >> so there now is going to be another debate, i'm told cnn is co-sponsoring that one. and that there's been a clear no fan policy. so i guess we're going to see how he performs without the fan that is clearly a thing that he cares a lot about. although i have to say, why anybody would care about whether someone had a fan or not continues to escape me. >> i don't know if you've seen buzzfeed, but they put out a slideshow of about 20 occasions where the governor is there and there's always a fan and they point to it with arrows. >> yeah, it's a thing. >> but it was quiet, we didn't hear anything. no one can tell if the fan was on or not. there's a little noise, but nobody thought it was from the fan so we weren't sure. i'm writing a column now for sunday about it's too bad that all of this attention was focused on such an issue and both of them really are at fault for it, i think. and there's so many more important things facing the people of florida. and that their chief executive officer would be reduced to
arguing about a cheap fan is really beneath the state, frankly. >> we're going to talk about some of the substance in that race ahead. thank you very much. why the florida governor's race is the worst one in the country next. sweet charmin!!!softness... take a closer look at charmin ultra soft and you'll love what you see. not only can you use less, but you can actually see the softness in our comfort cushions. we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra soft?
lieutenant governor in rick scott's organization, titled, when you get there. >> i remain flum oxed in how rick scott is governor to begin with. given the fact that his record had some real big negatives to it. he just didn't seem to be at all a natural politician in any way, shape or form. >> well, your question is the same that a lot of floridans have. and during the time that the governor ran in 20 10, his opponent in the primary election was a question mark for the voters as well. so the governor came across as a non-politician, an outsider that will bring a change to kbovt. as it turns out, it will be the good old boy system back in place again. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, as i depict in my book, the good old boy system that continued to exist with the
typical political maneuvers and back stabbing that occurs behind closed doors, the favoritism that occurs in politics when the good old boys are still in place and that's exactly what we have in the government in the state of florida. the tea party got behind governor scott when he was running because he was going to change all of that. he was going to run the state as a business and have accountability measures and, unfortunately, it went back to the same old system. >> and the irony here is that he ran this big business, made a lot of money off of it and it was also a business that entered into the largest fee ever. he was here while this -- while some of the activity happened. he was never convicted. he took the fifth. but then he took the money that he made and he plowed it into -- i mean, a big part of why he's governor is he just spent a ton of money. >> well, it was sort of the right time, right place situation. he had the money and he caught the tea party wave. he created this group.
i think it was conservatives for health care reform, something like that. opposing putting big money out there and making himself the face of this conservative movemented. >> he was running ads nationally against health care. >> right. and the former attorney general of florida who he ran against was somebody who brought -- as you say, brought some history to this race as well. he had been one of the prosz cue xxs back in, you know, lost the senate race in 232 0 0 0. i will say he had a very low point in about two years ago. now it's back up to the mid 40s. . and the big reason for that is there's a poll out that shows this race dead even. the reason why his numbers have come back is i don't think optimism is the right word. if you ask floridans, do you think it's the right direction?
>> yes, it's 47-27. >> the reality is part of it has to do with the macro economy. florida has created about 500,000 jobs during his term, which is a hundred thousand less than the 700,0 0 0 that have beenest mated. but are voters skeptical of charlie chryst? >> yes, also skept kal of governor scott. sos a a third party candidate, that is picking up steam with the voters and he's polling in double digits now. as a matter of fact, after the debate last night, he came out and stated i am the viable option for these two people. >> and i don't need a fan and i won't ne gauche yat over details. thank you very much. catch steve show weekends at 8:00 eastern here on msnbc. >> you can just call it rachel show.
>> i got excited because the clock was ticking and ifrs going to hit it on the zero which weirdly makes me feel good like i put a button on the day and i rushed it. >> i'll just call you "all" with chris. >> all right. >> thank you very much. this is a very busy news night. this is a full news day that all of the sudden became very full of late news at the end of the day. the president late tonight made some extensive remarks on the fight against ebola. we're going to have more on that in a moment, including the late news tonight about where america's current ebola patients are being treated. as of right now, none of them are being treated in dallas any longer. so we're going to have much more on that coming up later in the show. as well as an unrelated story we've got tonight for you late in the show about bravery. incredible bravery in the great state of alabama. it's a storyt