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infrastructure, we can create 13 million decent paying jobs and make our country more productive and efficient. and that is exactly what we should be doing. >> give us an update on bernie sanders for president. >> well, we've been going around the country. i've been talking to people. there's a lot of support out there. the question i have to deal with, ed, is taking on the billionaire class. it's not an easy task. and we have to determine whether, in fact, there is the grassroots support in this country for a strong campaign to really transform america and to create the jobs, raise the minimum wage, health care for all people. is there support? i'm trying to determine that right now. >> senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont. senator, good to have you with us tonight. that's "the ed shoew." "politics nation" is next. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, why we need to change how police serve and
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protect our communities. the obama administration has launched a national effort to address what's become the civil rights issue of our time. last week's police shooting death of this young man in cleveland, 12-year-old tamir rice, shows why this is such an important step. a 911 caller reported seeing him waving and pointing a gun outside a recreation center. but said it was probably fake. >> it's probably fake but, you know what, it's scaring the [ bleep ] out of me. he's probably a juvenile, you know. he's pulling it. >> the caller was right, it was fa fake, a pellet gun, and he said that rice was probably a juvenile. but here's what the police dispatcher told the officers heading towards the scene.
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>> there's a black male sitting on the swings. he's wearing a camouflage hat, a gray jacket with black sleeves. he keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people. >> no mention that the gun might be fake. no mention that rice was probably a juvenile. and then the police response gets even worse. watch what happens on surveillance video just as the police car pulls up to rice. police shoot rice less than two seconds after arriving on the scene leaving him fighting for his life, less than two seconds, and listen to the officer's call to dispatch right after they shot rice. >> shots fired, male down, black
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male, maybe 20. >> maybe 20. look at him. tamir rice was 12 years old. he was in the sixth grade but in under two seconds police concluded he was a 20-year-old man threatening people's lives and decided to fire. police are now investigating the shooting and the office ers involved are on paid leave. and tomorrow tamir rice will be laid to rest. joining me now are cleveland city councilman jeffrey johnson and former prosecutor and msnbc contributor faith jenkins. thank you both for being here this evening. >> thank you, reverend. >> councilman, two seconds is all it took these officers to decide rice was a threat? what's your reaction? >> well, reverend, thank you for having me tonight. it looks like a drive-by where they just didn't take no time. their feet were barely on the
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ground when the officer shot twice. our reaction is anger and determination not to let this happen again and to make sure that we do the proper review, but there was no assessment. there was no discernment whether there was actually a threat and anything said otherwise is just not true. >> faith, you know, the video raises some serious questions about the initial police account of the shooting. p police said, quote, upon arrival on scene officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands. the suspect did not comply with the officer's orders and reached to his waistband for the gun. shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso. does that match what you're seeing on this video? >> well, it doesn't. did all that have happen within two seconds? when this shooting occurred? when you look at this case, you look at the case of john crawford, who was shot and killed in walmart with a toy gun, the case of garner who died
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in new york as a result of a chokehold by the police. we have to start asking some questions. these incidents aren't new, rev. it's just the proliferation of videotape and evidence to show how certain police officers are policing in african-american communities. i don't think they showed up that day -- by the way, the office her been on the force less than a year, eight months. i don't think he showed up that day and said, i want to kill someone today. the issue is how they react and respond when it's a young african-american man and it's the issue of training. the issue is why are you not showing up and de-escalating situations instead of escalating them? why can't you make an assessment in that moment and see, this is a child. why can't you make an assessment in that moment and figure out this gun is not real? but instead, in two seconds they take someone's life. so we have to start asking the questions, how are we going to deal with this issue when we come back and the argument is these police officers, they're acting in good faith.
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that's not good enough anymore when so many of our young, black kids are being killed. >> councilman, they didn't only not say they were operating in good faith, as faith here has said. at a press conference last week the deputy police chief talked more about the commands the officer gave. listen. >> yes, three commands were given to show your hands by officer loman as he pulled up to the gazebo there. they were out the door -- his door was open as he pulled up and he was yelling three commands, he yelled three times as they pulled up. >> three commands. he yelled three times as they pulled up, councilman. let me play, again, the video. >> mm-hmm. okay. now how could he in that amount of time have given three commands? >> reverend, no way. he had to be literally yelling out the window as the car drove
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up. and, you know, we need to look at the veteran police officer who actually chose to put the vehicle two feat from tamir rather than further back so that they could get out and assess before they moved forward to determine a threat. so both officers, in my opinion, the veteran who put the rookie right there in front of tamir, for him with his inexperience to just shoot. so we don't buy that in cleveland. we don't buy that they sat back and made these demands and tamir ignored them. we don't believe tamir had had enough time to assess what was going on. >> now, faith, did they lie yet? we don't know. another disturbing fact about the case is what happened after rice was shot. he was shot twice in the stomach at point blank a range by a rookie officer timothy loman. neither loman nor his partner provided rice first aid immediately after he was shot. in fact, tamir rice was laying on the ground suffering for 3:49 until another team of officers
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arrived on the scene and started delivering first aid. at that point loman's partners helped administraminister first. have you heard any explanation why the officers didn't try to save tamir's life in those first four minutes? >> that's a long time. when you think about someone lying on the ground after being shot and dying, that's a long time for a police officer, a member -- he's a public servant. let's not forget what police officers are there to do, serve the public, to let that child l lie on the ground and die. and it remind me what have we witnessed with eric garner in new york, the man who died as a result of the chokehold, how he begged -- and he said, i cannot breathe, repeatedly. as he lie on the ground, no one rendered him aid and he died later just like this young man. we have to start realizing that good police officers can make a bad decision in a moment, rev. that does not mean that they are bad people, but when they make the decision in that moment,
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they have to be held accountable. we cannot continue to let our young black men die at the hands of police officers and they not be held accountable. >> you know, councilman, officer loman's father, a former police officer, says his son had no other option but to shoot tamir rice. the cleveland plain dealer reports loman's father says his son didn't know whether or not the gun was fake, but decided he had to act. quote, i was right there and he went for the gun, fred loehmann's recalled his son saying. i had no choice. if this is his defense, how will it play out in an investigation moving forward? >> the training would not have said to do what they did. it was bum rushing tamir. it's almost like -- it continues to be this us versus them mentality where it's really about either kill or be killed
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and that's the kind of mentality. we are going to be hook iing at the whole notion why can they came, why they kaem so close to tamir and why they didn't position themselves to make the assessment, the discernment rather than -- it's almost automatically they felt that he was a threat and they were going to take out that threat, and that is unacceptable behavior by those of us who are training these officers to serve and protect. >> and let me say, i agree with faith that sometimes good officers can make bad calls. sometimes people make mistakes. i don't believe all police come in with a predetermined attitude that they came to kill. but they must be held accountable and let us not forget in all of these cases we're talking about people losing their lives. people have human value. they should not just die and no one cares and no one held accountable. >> innocent people. >> i want to thank you both for
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your time tonight. >> sure. >> thank you, reverend. coming up, ray rice speaks for the first time since that infamous elevator video emerged several weeks ago. >> my wife, my daughter, my family to -- we all want our lives back. >> jeb bush is taking on the tea party. but can his strategy actually work, or will it backfire? and the growing controversy over the st. louis rams' hands up statement. what police are saying and what the team is denying. it's all ahead. please stay with us. you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose
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issue in society, you know. we can take one bad night and it just happened to be on video but we are truly sorry to the people that's really going through it, you know, it's a real problem and i know when the time is right. i know my wife wants to help. i know i want the help. >> i have to ask her directly. i said, janay, other that instant we saw on that videotape, was there ever a moment in this marriage or this relationship before or after that where you were the victim of abuse? >> and i understand that. and i truly understand that. and one thing you learn, we weren't in a perfect relationship. no relationship is perfect. we've had arguments, but when you talk about abuse, that's something that we know we've never crossed that path. but then did we say things to each other that we want to take back at times? yeah, we crossed that line before but it never got to an altercation where it went that far, you know, that was just
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very uncarrick rharacteristic o. i take responsibility. that was very uncharacteristic. >> he says it was one bad night and he takes full responsibility for what happened. >> this is something as a man you have to own and, you know, we're heartily sorry and i'm heartily sorry for everything i have put my family through. i still have to live every day, go take my daughter to school. she's going to grow up and the way the internetworks now, she's going to google her father's name and the first thing that will come up is -- who knows what will come up. >> not the highlights from the field. >> not at all. >> that's the reality of it. and that's what i'm more worried about fixing. i want my wife, my daughter, my family to -- we all just want to gravitate, we all want our lives back. >> he wants his life back, but
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will another team and the fans get past that video? >> i think that they will have to be willing to, you know, look deeper into who i am and realize that me and my wife had one bad night and i took full responsibility for it and one thing about my punishment and everything going along with anything that happened is that i've accepted it. i went with it. i never complained. i never did anything like that. i took full responsibility for everything that i did and the only thing i can hope for and wish for is a second chance. >> he's cleared to play, but should he get another chance? will he get one? and how might this impact the iish you of domestic violence in america. joining me now is dave ziran, sports editor for "the nation." thanks for being here. >> it's great to be here. >> dave, what's your reaction to
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that interview? >> well, my reaction is that ray rice is going through this hell of his own making for two reasons. and those reasons have nothing to do with actually removing janay rice from consciousness in that elevator. one, he was caught on videotape and, two, the chickens are coming home to roost on decades of the national football league covering up abuse of women. roger goodell, the commissioner of the nfl, he needs to answer for the institutional cover-ups that have taken place in the national football league. 56 arrests of nfl players on domestic violence charges. >> how many? >> 56 under roger goodell's tenure. >> you seem to be seeing this as an nfl issue. you use the term cover-up. >> yeah, because the nfl actually does not have a domestic violence epidemic. the rates of domestic violence arrests in the nfl are much less than domestic violence arrests
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in the united states. the united states has a problem. the nfl has a cover-up problem that needs to be answered for and ray rice has been made the face of domestic violence. i'm wary of this. there's something this country does making young black men the face of these violent, uncontrollable acts and it's very difficult to not see connective tissue between the ways ray rice has been put forward on this issue and what you were talking about the last segment, tamir bryce, michael brown, eric garner and the criminalization of black men and the way the united states wants to see the savage in black men is also, i think, at the root of why the nfl is the most popular pastime in this country as well. >> you know, another thing ray rice talked about in a press conference back in may, janay apologized for the incident, but ray did not apologize to her.
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list en to what he says about that. >> i'll be honest. we were nervous. i was nervous. and that was the first time we were available to speak. and i made a horrendous mistake not apologizing to my wife. we were going in, we were given what to speak about. it wasn't truly coming from us, if you can understand. i made that clear the last time i was able to speak that my wife is an angel. she can do no wrong. i take full responsibility for my actions. >> he says, dave, that he was given what to say by the ravens. janay says the same thing. do you think he has done enough to be given another chance to play, dave? >> well, in the nfl it's like you can look at a line graph and frankly are where the line meets where the rubber hits the road is his ability to play. he had a very poor season last year by his own standards and whether an nfl team wants to
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weather the publicity. that is a question that we will see. i mean, time will tell whether he gets that chance. i do have to say this, though, he made reference to it, you asked about it. to me the most horrific thing that i've heard in this whole episode, the number one most horrific thing, of course, is what we see on the videotape. number two is the idea of the ravens actually spoon feeding lines particularly to janay rice to say that she took responsibility for what happened. she says they told her to say that. that is criminal in and of itself, and the ravens kept that on their twitter feed until just a couple of months ago. they kept it on their twitter feed all summer. janay rice apologizes for her part in what took place. and the third thing, which is so terrible, roger goodell actually making ray rice and janay rice sit down in front of him. that is abuser and survivor in front of roger goodell basically begging for his job. i mean, the idea you would do a
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practice like that. maybe it made sense in the 1950s. it's unconscionable that it would happen in 2014. >> dave zirin, what do you think should happen to ravens and goodell? >> well, i mean, one, i'm stunned roger goodell is still employed as nfl commissioner. two, i'm wondering why he's not being indicted for perjury right now because in ray rice's arbitration case roger goodell swore on a bible that janay rice said things to him that she denied, that ray rice denied, and that witnesses denied. and so the idea that ray rice would lie over a bible to a federal judge barbara jones and he's still employed and there aren't perjury machinations happening against him surprises me. as for the ravens, they should absolutely be sanctioned, be fined, be punished in some way, shape or form, for conduct unbecoming. >> dave zirin, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, the uproar over the st. louis rams' protest on
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begins with finally once and for all securing the border. >> hilarious. that's a good one especially because one piece at a time is what president obama proposed last year. >> if they want to chop that thing up into five pieces, as long as all five pieces get done, i don't care what it looks like as long as it's delivering on those core values we talk about. >> senator mcconnell must be joking, right? republicans didn't take president obama up on that offer and the laughs just kept on coming from mcconnell. he's also said this about immigration reform. >> we don't do comprehensive well. look at obamacare. >> he'll be here all week, folks. this has got to be a joke because we're actually doing
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to hatch a plot to stop the president. all day long they let the rhetoric fly. with practiced outrage. >> he wants to circumvent the rule of law. >> to be able to carry out your lawless, unconstitutional act. >> undermines the constitution and threatens our democracy. >> by acting lawlessly, the obama administration is driving full speed ahead to a constitutional crisis. >> this amounts to a declaration of wore against american workers. >> do republicans have a plan to do anything beyond launching verbal attacks? will they shut down government? will they sue the president?
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sure, maybe. >> we're looking at a number of options. this is a serious breach of our constitution. it's a serious threat to our system of government. >> is it off the table, sir? so it's off the table? >> that table is more jam packed than your thanksgiving buffet. they are talking censure and even impeachment. they are saying tim huelskamp should decrease funds for air force one and white house staff as a response to immigration action. his plane? they want to go after his plane now. i wonder what this or any president would say about that. >> get off my plane.
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sorry, republicans, but that idea won't fly. joining me now maria teresa can kouma and bill press. that you for being here. >> reverend, hi. >> bill, cutting off funds for air force one? i mean, are they serious? is this how far they've fallen? >> i'm sorry, reverend, you stole the best line which is that idea ain't going to fly. first of all, the american people republican or democrat want their president to be safe, they want their president to be protected. it's more than just that person. it's the whole prestige and hohn or of the united states of america that shows, i think, how worthless this bunch of clowns is today. you touched on it. they have no plan of their own.
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they come you up with all these crazy ideas when the one thing they could do to stop president obama is pass an immigration bill. that's the one thing they can do and won't do. >> they're talking about defunding white house staff. should the gardnuarardener be o alert? >> the fact what they're trying to do is undress president obama. what they're really doing is undressing the presidency and what we stand for. and who are they going to lay off at the end of the day? a lot of these folks are every day working people. that's going after the middle class. what's your plan "b"? take away the plane and white house staff? they have a bill in front of them they can go ahead and put on the floor for a vote and
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they're choosing not to. they don't want to do the work which is hard, which is negotiate with the president. you have to negotiate. >> the idea of punishing the president over his executive action is censure. >> number one, i think we should censure the president of the united states. i think it's unfortunate that he did this. >> could be a censure for the president of the united states. that's not happened in more than a century and that would be at least a direct message to the president. >> there are, as the piece mentioned, spending measures. the president can be censured. he can be sued by the congress. >> bill, are they for real? >> these are options that are not real option s.
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they come up with these crazy ideas as opposed to doing their job. the constitution does not provide for the legislative b n branch to seven sure the executive branch. you just cannot do it. were they to censure the president for what? for doing his job? if the congress won't act then the president has to. and the president has legally gone as far as he could go. a lot of us wish he had gone further. he didn't because he wanted to stay within the law. this is just fireworks. they're just mouthing off. they're going to do nothing. >> a new poll shows his approval rating is 68%. it's gone up 10% since he announced the executive action. isn't this the real problem for
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republicans, who they really want to alienate millions of hispanic voters on immigration? >> you're trying to figure out what their long-term strategy is. this is not about the president. this is about where we are in america and the fact that we have changing demographics and we have a broken immigration system where millions are suffering and they don't want to fix the problem because they keep trying to pak it about him and it's not. if they want to get to the white house in 2016, the quicker they put this executive action to rest, the quicker they pass legislation, the sooner they can focus on what the issues americans care about -- job creation, small business creation, talking about taxes, education. if they can put this behind them in a real leadership sort of way. they can have a shot at cultivating voters. >> how can they expect long term to win national elections alienating the latino and
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hispanic voters in the country? >> maria terese is right. the latino population we know is the greatest -- is the fastest growing block of the american electorate. they are basically saying we're not -- it's not that we just disagree with president obama, we don't want him to do anything at all about the immigration problem. a bill passed the senate with 14 republican senators supporting it. if that bill were brought up in the house today it would pass the house but john boehner won't do it. from a political point of view as a democrat, i say keep going, republicans. you are doing what democrats want. >> it appears to me that the republicans are poised to overreach and we'll be here watching. maria teresa kumar and bill
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we're back with "conversation nation." joining us msnbc's krystal ball, chuck nice, and carolyn. thank you all for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> we start with the uproar over the st. louis rams protest. st. louis police called the rams players' hands up protest in support of ferguson protesters tasteless, offensive, and inflammatory. the st. louis police chief claims the rams official apologized, but the team is denying any apology was made. this shows the deep division and why so many people are looking for an outlet.
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do you have any problem with this outlet? >> absolutely not. it's interesting whether or not an apology was made. it's emblematic through the own lens of how they understand the world and this is just another example of that kind of miscommunication. >> chuck? >> i don't know, rev. i don't know. i'm just saying there's a time to protest and make political statements and there's a time not to. i don't know. >> i think it's curious -- that was very good. it's cure whious that the police department is spending so much time on the perfectly reasonable protest and, you know, of the rams because haven't they got enough to deal with? i.e., their police force.
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50 police officers, white, three african-american. instead of looking for an apology, why didn't they start looking at their own back door? >> krystal, i've been out there since day one when the grand fore called me. it's very tense, very emotion lal, very passionate. these could be relatives of theirs involved. and whether one agrees with their stand or not, it has clearly been said that their hands were up. others contradicted but several have said that. what is the big issue here if people want to express themselves? >> to me it's as much less about the specific details, while the details are vitally important to this case and this family and this community, but really we're talking about a national conversation here. and we know the statistics, the way people of color are impacted in a different way by policing frequently across the country.
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so when you're doing that symbolic gesture, gentlemen, it's about michael brown but it's a bigger conversation. >> the 12-year-old tamir rice in cleveland and hands-up was a part of that. i think it's a symbol of where we are. now let me get to politics. jeb bush is taking on the tea party. he was speaking at a "wall street journal" event and said he was make a decision in short order and then he said this. >> i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive. much more willing to be practica practical. >> carolyn, this is getting a the lot of attention. can this work?
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>> i feel sore y for jeb bush and i'll tell you why. if that is the way he thinks he's going to be running. i'm really sorry for him. this isn't the republican party he's deal with. maybe we'll think of pulling funding for homeland security. this isn't the republican party that is open to being uplifting. he's waiting around for that to happen. >> this party being uplifting, this party you've got to lose to win the general. i thought jeb was giving you a lot of new material for you special. >> without a doubt. >> we have to be much more uplifting, much more practical. we can't be republican is what he's saying. >> how do you win the republican nomination? don't be a republican. that's not going to work. >> it's a serious point. eye couldn't get past the
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factual piece you sort of have to win the primary to get to the general election. that's a little bit of a problem. in order to win the republican primary, they've had to take these positions. he's right. it's an impossible puzzle to solve. >> i'm met jeb bush and issues that were raised in florida and i think that he's trying to navigate around how hard it is in this new tea party dominated primary. >> he wroek the book that talked about immigration. he ended up in a different spos where the rest of the republican party was. he has common core and education. he's very much at odds with the base. >> forecasting the rings he's
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going to have to deal with, c e caroline? >> i think he'll be smart if he is doing that. he is a smart guy. >> except it doesn't work with the base. that's the only problem. proof is in the pudding. he's already trailing in the polls. >> it's bad if you're already trying to lower expectations. >> a new trend in movies. does hollywood think actresses need to be , quote, ugly, in order to look like the rest of us? stay with us. hey matt, what's up?
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we're back with our panel. let's talk about jennifer aniston's new movie role. in her new movie "kate" she play as woman addicted to pa painkillers, gone is the glamorous movie starlet. and many critics are praising her for her transformation. others aren't so impressed. one blogger saying, quote, the trouble is when actors are praised to the heavens for their bravery and their courage in looking like, well, actual humans is pretty darned condescending to the actual humans who are paying them on screen. krystal? >> i 100% disagree. what we see as women is this impossible, perfect ideal after
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woman on screen. and we get that in catalogs, on the internet, when shopping. when you have a person like jennifer aniston who goes totally bare with no makeup, okay, she is a beautiful person but she is also an attainable person not this ideal. we're not comparing her to something -- >> will it sell in the market, chuck? >> it seems to have in the past, if you think about charlize theron doing the monster. it seems to work for men, too, when guys gain weight, christian bale loses a ton of weight, everybody says, oh, my god, how amazing. none of this is acting, though. >> that's a discipline to it. >> jennifer aniston took her
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makeup off. come along, people. charlize put on 30 pounds. jennifer aniston taking off makeup and then asking us to celebrate is a at the same time. >> it's a statement on our culture that doing such a thing as going without makeup is a revolutionary thing to do. >> i'm wearing makeup right now and i'm very happy that i am. >> jennifer aniston says she doesn't believe to win an oscar that you have to go ugly. do you agree? >> it's about the performance and the character you play. >> it doesn't always happen with the acting. think of elizabeth taylor. >> also according to who the actor is. i lost a lot of weight and read
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these transformation articles and the right wing still beats me up. krystal, chuck, carolyn, thank you for your time tonight. when we come back, why i think real change is coming to policing. many americans who have prescriptions fail to stay on them. that's why we created programs which encourage people to take their medications regularly. so join us as we raise a glass to everyone who remembered today. bottoms up, america. see you tomorrow. same time. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything.
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finally tonight, fighting for progress. there's no doubt in my mind that policinging is the biggest civil rights issue of our time and the issue goes back decades. but now we may be seeing some real change in america and a lot is coming from the obama administration. calling for $260 million in funding for police body cameras. he's also created a task force to identify how they can build trust. attorney general eric holder says he'll soon announce a plan
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to end racial profiling by federal law enforcement. so, he yes, change is happening. yesterday president obama invited me and other civil rates and elected leaders to the white house to talk about better policing in this country. we heard the president's personal commitment to change. >> part of the reason it will be different is the president of the united states is deeply invested. in the two years i have remaining as president, i'm going to make sure that we follow through. not to solve every problem, not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that exists but to make things better. and that's how progress is always made in this great country of ours. >> i've met with the last two presidents on this issue, but this is the first time i've seen actual steps that have been put down with funding behind it.
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it doesn't solve nearly all the problems but, like he said, it's the beginning. and some concrete beginning steps gives me hope. we need specific, real steps because this is a real problem. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. ferguson, it's not about geography. it's about history. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. ferguson, it's now a name in the american dictionary like dallas is to many of my generation, the word is explosive, tragic, and big in our imaginations that stirs us in a way no one likes to be stirred but for better or worse it's a spec

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