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whose wisdom deserves our greatest respect. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in". all eyes on the senate where they will now decide the fate of the wall street give away. >> the american people didn't elect us to stand up for citi group. they elected us to stand up for all the people. >> tonight, the latest on the comnibus revolt. then, what conservatives get wrong about drones and torture. president obama simply kills them with drones. is that more humane than waterer boarding? >> plus, forcing police to count who they shoot. >> do you think you've ever
watched someone? >> there's some people i have doubts about. >> "all in" starts right now. >> well, good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, all eyes are focused on the united states senate. and a last gasp effort to turn back a brazen push by wall street lobbyists to weaken regulations designed to prevent an isis. then $1.1 trillion spending bill. cromnibus was em brabraced by t white house. after elizabeth and others spotted a provision to roll back a key piece of the dodd-frank financial reform law. the provision last year passed the hois and never got a senate vote was literally written by lobbyists from citi group.
witha with passage in doubt last nurgt, personally calling lawmakers to pressure them for the bill. about a provision to deregulate the banks that no one in washington was willing to defend on the bill. krrksz iti group is a lobbying le vie thon spending $4 million and giving $2.1 million. so it's no surprise that ci,ti group would write the legislation it wanted. democrats voted against the cromnibus last night and according to the washington post on average, the democrats who voted yes have received twice as much money as the ones who voted no. now, the action turns to the
senate where less than an hour ago, warren made the case to finally bring in wall street. >> enough is enough. with citi group passing 11th hour deregulatory provisions that nobody takings ownership over, but even e everybody will come to regret. enough is enough. >> the senate has until wednesday to get passed some hurdles. president obama urged senate lawmakers to get that done saying there's enough good to out weigh the bad. >> i've been able to draft my own legislation, i suspect it would be sliegtly different. that is not the circumstance we find ourselves in. i think what the american people are looking for is some practical governance and the willing to compromise and that's what this bill reflects. >> senators harry reid and mitch
mcconnell's plan to move forward for a vote to defund president obama's executive action on immigration. as well as an amendment from senators elizabeth warren to strip out that provision. the one weakening wall street regulation from the cromnibus. if passed, would require the house to reconsider the bill. >> i'm going to vote no. when my staff person last week discovered this provigsz, slipped into the appropriations bill, it looked like we've been there before. this was kind of the way the house republicans do things. they take language that wouldn't stand the light of day if it was a bill and debate it on the floor and voted on. so they slip it in something like this omnibus. it's shameful. republicans than pass the omnibus, leave town and then if we were to strip out e it out, we tell them we had to fly back
and pass a real appropriations bill that doesn't do that. that's what i'm hoping we can do. >> right now, there's a fight of whether there's an up or down vote on the amendment to basically strip that provision out. do you think we can get a vote on that? >> i hope we do. that's what -- that's the goal if we can get, i think, a majority of members will vote to strip it. he's these provisions to take us back to the days of bail outs. the provisions to create more loopholes for wall street, these provisions that put the bankers, the traders, that's with a d, traders in a position where they take risks, they make risk kill bets. that i had either make a lot of money from it or if the bets go wrong, taxpayers pick it up. this could never pass. that's why it's so important to expose them. >> you talked about house republicans trying to slip this in.
there's a bipartisan negotiation team to come together to dock this together. are you angry at her? it's how the democrats appear to go along with this before you and others started to blow the whistle. >> well, i know what happened. i know what republicans do and what wall street does. they submit, they pass 10 or 15 really bad provisions. they've done it with environmental riders, they've done it with wall street riders and then ne gauche yaters in good faith try to get rid of as many of them as possible and you end up with one or two bad ones. about that's the problem. that's why once republicans are in control, the public is going to know whose side are you on. who's doing this. it will be much clearer and we'll have a better chance of stopping it. >> if this stays in, if you don't get the up or down vote, which it's unclear whether that will happen, my sense is you
will still vote against it, should the president veto it? >> i don't know. i don't know if the president should veto. then the government shuts down immediately. and you call us back into session to do something. i don't know what kind of a crisis that brings. i think that the issue, it is, is a bit of a punt on that question is, you know, how shameful it is to govern this way. to insist only really bad provisions and to put the responsibility elsewhere. but, i mean, again, it shows like this, chris, in putting the -- in putting the spotlight on this kind of behavior. that's what i want to do next year is the lead democrat of the banking committee. put the spot light where it blopgs on these kinds of issues. >> is this a signal? you're going to be the ranking member of the banking committee in thefection congress. is this a signal of where there's going to be a lot of
energy from the new committee chair and the republican side aened fa and from house republicans on the other side of the capital hill. >> i guess we'll have to say. i wachbnt to work on positive things and moving the country forward on what the bank kmits tee does on credit card reform, on helping with making credit available, all of the things we could be doing for low income people to get in the banking system. i'm hopeful that's what we can do. unfortunately, 20 right language, to try to insert in bills to get weaker regulation on wall street. the shamefulness of this. less than a decade ago, these people drove the economy almost over the cliff and to come back and ask for weaker rules and
peeling back regulations is just an amazing thing to me. >> senator brown has his work cut out for him on the senate banking committee. thank you very much. >> i spoke to senator brown earl jer this evening, a bt an hour ago. we've just gotten word that harry reid has nixed the possibility to strip out that provision tonight. you see one of the negotiators now speaking life on the senate floor. now, the provigsz to weaken wall street regulations is not the only problem. the entire bill is kind of a lobbyist's paradise. a big spending bill is the place for lawmakers to shove their pet projectings and gifts to big donors. hire the cat logs are contributorment you have a great piece today about everything else that's in there, not including the pushout this sort
of city group written provision. what else is in there? >> what isn't in there? this is really, you know, they call these kind of bills a kpris mas tree where there's all kinds of ornaments adorned on top of the built. and most of them, as you said, are readily gifts to lobbyists. you have the change of 40 year rule that pension benefits to not be cut for skurnt retirees. and, now, with a provision rider in this bill, you can cut pension benefits for current retirees and multiemployer plans. these are people who earned these retirement benefits and now they can see them cut after the fact. it's just an example of the kind of thing that's in this bill. >> you've got cuts to the epa. you've also got this campaign finance provision. john mccain, who's obviously
been very out spoken has seen prt of his life's work undone by fellow republicans. this is what he had to say on the an dree ya mitchell show today. >> the sponsors of that are so proud of this, again, loosening that no one will claim credit tr it. i guess it was win of these immack lat conception deals. but an dree ya, thereto be scandals in america because there is just too much money warveing around. and there will be scandals and then we will do reform. you can go all the way back to teddy roosevelt where there have been cycles of reform, clupgs, reform, corruption. we will do that. it's give aways to big donors and increases on the amounts those donors can contribute. >> yes, exactly. so you can ensure that there will be more give aways to big donors upcoming.
because there's the inacceptabilityiincentive is there to give more money to the donors. john mccain can talk all a he wants about it, but i wonder how he's going to vote? >> right i i think he probably be e will vote for it. there's also some interesting nutritional provisions 234 there. there was a white potato. i guess white potatoes were taken out of approved food for in wic, which is for wait a minute, women, infants and children. that's back in. >> that's back in. certain grains are now back in and can be used. it's just an kmampl. even if you took out the derivatives piece of this bill, this would still be a pretty terrible product. and i'm so old that i remember that president obama and members of the dem kratzs and the senate saying that we don't want any policy riders in these bills.
aparentally, they are in there now. >> that was the old policy riders. all right. another senator flouted the convention by saying something about the cromnibus that was shockingly reasonable. >> if wall street banks want to gamble with their own money, so be it. let them take their risks with their own money and let them live with the consequences of those risks. that's how markts are supposed to work. but they shoultn't get to gamble with government-insured money. >> it is because of governments like that that they will be spending a million dollars just to try to get senator elizabeth warren to run for president in 2016. and that's next. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity
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make it delicious with swanson®. whatever happens with the vote in the senate, instead, warren has waged a rebellion against a deal negotiated by her leadership members and pushed by the white house. >> democrats don't like wall street bail outs. republicans don't like wall street bail oits. the american people are disgusted by wall street
bailouts. and here we are five years after dodd-frank with congress on the verge of ramming through a provision that would do nothing for the middle class, do nothing for community banks, do nothing but raise the risk that taxpayers will have to bailout the biggest banks once again. so let me say this to anyone who is listening at citi. i agree with you. dodd-frank isn't perfect. it should have broken you into pieces. >> and this comes at a moment where there's a growing desire on the part of a certain segmented for warren to run for president largely because of rhetoric like that. a campaign has circulated e-mail to other former obama campaign staffers asking them to jump on the band wagon of former staffers. we helped elect barack obama and
now we're calling on elizabeth warren. the letter boasts more than 300 signatories now. earlier this week, the leaders of move on announced it will spend at least a million in trying to draft warren. she also has all the right enemies. like gop senator pat toomey. >> i home ype you're not going fall for elizabeth warren's nonsense. joining me now, anna gallano. if you have to spend a million to convince someone to run for president, it seems like you're already kind of behind the 8 ball. >> well, we need senator -- senator warren needs to see and feel and understand the
intensity of the call from the broad american public, not just move on's 8 million members. not just the left as pat toomey seems to think. but really, the american public. left, right and center. people are sick and tired of provisions being written by wall street lobbyists. and they want somebody in the debate, who will stand up and speak the truth. earlier this week, move on members voted 80 pnt of our members, an overwhelming majority, voted to encourage senator warren to run for president. they did so knowing what they knew about her. and then on wednesday, thursday and friday, she stood up and really lit up the entire country with this, you know, calling out, calling the alarm saying no, we are not going to accept this, this kind of nonsense from wall street lobbyists being started a t the last men it. it's been an incredible week.
>> you know, i'm substantively in greemt with elizabeth warmt on this. but the polling of democrats is shocking. there just dun seem a ton of space right now. and oval shrill, that can change. it's kind of like a boutique desire. there's a small group of what we call the democratic base who aren't actually the rank and file that want her to run. but they're not broadly representative of where democrats are. >> i think if you look at what people want, what they want as an economy that works for everyone, i think everyone recognizes right now that the middle class is being squeezed from all sides. wages have been stag nant. costs are going up. people are not getting by in the qua way that they can and should. senator warren has been given voice to that.
everyone also overwhelmingly wants a genuinely contested presidential primary. the hunger is real. and it's only going to grow after weeks like this. >> thaing very much. >> thanks so much. >> over the past few months, american criminal justice and in particular, american policing s skrooitny than i can remember in recent years. an "all in" american exclusive ahead.
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and it is also wrong. we're being treated to a 21st century of what aboutism from, of all people, conservatives and the republican party. when you say the torture is repugna repugnant, they say whabt drones? >> in some sort of liberal, i don't know, confused world, droning is more humane than torturing someone or interrogating them aggressively. it's bizarre. to me, it seems completely i recall rehenceble that it's okay. >> death by drone or water boarding. which would you prefer? >> can you explain how the president believes that it's un-american to use these techniques, but it was okay to ramp up the drone policy and basically thou sands of people around the world, nent civilians
killed. >> they're not picking up prisoners anymore. when they identify a tar get, the target is droned. there's no terrorists left to interrogate. >> what's the moral equivalency there? how do you have moral authority when innocent civilians are killed by drones? >> now, the appropriate response is twofold. first, as a waysic patter of both moral law and presence pl, killing enemies in combat is sometimes permissible. torturing them, however, never is. the prohibition on torture is categorical. torture ok ewe pies a essential moral category of taboo. the second is more or less the same one i would suggest we give the soviets. it's true. many aspects are morally and constitutionally suspect. they deserve out rage, though i
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. >> the death 06 tamir rice, 1409d and killed by police last month has now been ruled a homicide. the cause of death was a gunshot wound of torso with injuries of major vessel, intestines and pelvis. that the manner of death was a homicide. as we've learned through the unfolding of the eric garner case, homicide is a medical determination as opposed to a legal one. all this proves is that rice died as a means of someone else
and does not mean that the man who killed his is guilty of a crime. we know someone killed him because we have video. now, the question becomes what happens to the officers as a grand jury is set to hear evidence in the case. and this news comes about as a big march tomorrow against violence. joining that march will be family members of tamir rice, michael brown, gurley, john crawford whofgs killed over the summer by police inside a walmart while carrying a pellet gun, as well as lavar jones, who zur vooifed being shot by a south carolina state trooper in september, a story we covered at length here. since mike brown's death, all of these other stories about unarmed black men being shot by police punctuated the news cycle, wa wae is starting to take notion.
>> requires states to report the number of people killed while in police custody. it almost seems crazy a law like that was laxed considered we don't have the basic count of people who died while at the hands of police. the fact that communities that need police protection the most tend to be communities that trust police officers the least. >> we have to ask ourselves some fundmentedal questions. and i think we have to try to come up with ways in which we deal with that issue. >> we now taught the president's task force considering some kind of uniform monitoring system for tracking deaths at the hands of police.
i got a chance to talk to the co-chair yesterday. and i started by asking him if he felt there was a crisis in american policing. >> well, there's certainly a problem and a challenge that we have to meet. i have to think one of problems that i have with what's going on right now is that it tends to be generalized to a point where it seems as if every police officer is engaging in an appropriate behavior and that's simply not the case. but i would say it certainly is a point in time where some change is needed and we certainly need to take a hard look inside and make whatever necessary adjustments we need to make. >> how much e how much do you honestly think, basically, these problems have aumgs e always existed and they're getting a lot of attention now. and how much do you think things are particularly bad right now. >> we've always had challenges and we've always had some issues. i've been in policing 45 years. i've seen an awful lot of progress, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot more that needs to be made. we've been involved in munty
policing for the last couple of decades. but, clearly, there are some communities that we have not established trust, we have not established relationships and we've got to fix that. and that's really what the president's task force is charged with doing. what is it that we need to do to reassure people that they will receive fair and impartial policing services. so we've got our work cut out for us. clearly, there is a problem. >> when you talk about community policing, how much of the i shall shissue here is about the methods of policing and how much is the broadest system of laws, the war on drugs, particularly, that just require a tremendous amount of police effort and attention to be given to nonviolent offenses, to be given to drug sales and the like to create a level of presence and ubiquity in neighborhoods that leads to some of the tensions that you're describing. >> i would say both are obviously a part of it. but i would also add that there is a real alty that we have to
come to grips with. and that is that there's a disproportionate amount of crime. we've got to look at the entire picture. not just bits and pieces of it. >> 2 e the's task force is that a lot of it concentrates on trainings. one of the critiques you hear is less about training on the front epd and more about acountability on the back end. the issue seems to be for many that the small number are being adequately pin you shalled. how important is that? >> well, i think it's important. acou accountability is a part of it. accountability cuts both ways. everybody has to be held accountable. community, police, everybody has
to be held accountable if we really want fundamental change. and that's really what we need. fundamental change in this country that will lead us to a better relationship between police communality and part. but, also, the entire criminal justice system being used as being fair and impartial. >> does the u.s. put too many people in jail? >> well, i don't know how to answer that question. i think that we need to reserve jail for people that are really harm e harmful to the community. and i think that we need to look at al terntives. more diversion programs. there are a lot of things that we need to do. the educational system plays a part in this. job training and the like. it's not as simple just looking at numbers saying there's too many. the question is what do we need to do to keep people from going down a path that will land them in jail to begin with. >> i want to ask a personal question. it occurs to me that policing is not only hard work.
but it can take a psychological toll. as a rule, you're basically seeing people at their worst moments day in, day out, right? in crisis, in pain, doing terrible things to each other. have you found in your years of law enforcement, it's changed something fundamental about the way you view people in human nay chour eture? >> you have to be resilient. you have to keep things in perspective. one of the things that we do in philadelphia, for example, foot pal troll is in our most challenged neighborhoods. the reason for that is, from the ground, literally, from the ground, be able to understand the die in a minuynamics of tha know the people that are desent, law-abiding and want the things that you want as a police officer and know the people that are actually out there. so you're not stereotyping people. you're getting to know people. you're touching them. you're talking to them. you're developing relationships and from that, comes trust. you really have to guard against it. is it easy to allow yourself to
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what would it do to you to watch people die for a living? larry fitzgerald, a spokesperson for the texas department of criminal justice. it was his job to watch excute the men and women its sen tepsed to the death chamber. michelle left her reporting job to work alongside larry. and over the years, michelle and larry watched the executions of hundreds of people. i recently had the opportunity to sit down with both of them and they e they shared with me what they wngsed. >> there's one execution that i see very vividly and honestly, i do not remember the man's name. i can pick which you are his face and why it's really stuck with me is that there were no witnesses. there were no witnesses for the victim's family. there were no witnesses for the inmates family. he was there completely alone. and when the warden came in and said do you have a last statement, he never looked to the side, just kept looking at the ceiling and shook his head, no.
and as the chemicals began to take effect, you just saw his one tear run down his cheek. and it really stuck with me because it was such a sad, lonely theme. >> this is the death chamber in huntssville, texas. death row inmates are brought to this unit where they spend their final hours. and, for years, michelle lyons and larry fitzgerald watch the final moments of though inmates' lives. both were features in texas monthly magazine, "the witness". in total, larry witnessed 290 executions. michelle says she saw 208. michelle saw her first as a reporter for the local newspaper. >> at that time, in 1998, i was 23. >> that's pretty young. >> yes, it was young. >> at the same time, larry
fitzgerald was working as a public information officer for the texas department of criminal jus tus. >> so you have become the face for the executions in texas. >> yes. >> and that's because every time there's an execution in texas, there's a certain kind of ritual to it. and you are the person giving the information about what happened. >> true. we allow five people, five media members, we did, allow five media members to come in and witness the execution. so when the execution was over, i would go forward and tell the media that didn't come in. so and so is pronounced dead, here's the final statement. yeah. >> by 2000, texas governor george w. bush had his sigh esighteds set. >> there was growing debate in this country over capital punishment. and with the texas governor running for president, the i
shall shoe is even more complicated. >> bush has made it clear. he's not ashamed of his record on the death penalty. >> i reca i support the death penalty because i believe it saves lives. >> by the end of the year, the state of texas had reached a grim milestone. 40 exkoougss. the highest number in the country. almost four times more in oklahoma, the state with the second highest number of executions the same year. >> in 200, that was the most that had ever been carried out. >> back then, especially when i was just starting and covering those 40 during that year, i did not feel any conflict at all. to me, this was my job. my job was to be an unbiassed reporter and be down the middle and i didn't let it impact me what so ever. >> one of the inmates executed that year was gary graham. a man who maintained his innocence until the end and who fought off e officers on the way to the gurney. >> texas governor george w. bush called it justice.
convicted killer gary graham called it a lynching. >> there was no physical evidence, no murder weapon and obama one eyewitness. >> most inmates are not bound at the head. and that was simply because he had struggled with the officers. >> it took about 30 seconds to remooif him from the cell and gave him an additional 60 seconds to strap him to the gurney. >> michelle y e lyons shared what she had seen as a national audience. >> was this hard for you to witness? >> it really isn't. it really is like watching a clinical procedure. i've never been in a hospital room while anyone was being operated or worked on, but that is very much how i would imagine it to be. >> but michelle's reporter instincts were, at times, challenged. blue e lull but the image of of a woman on the other side of the glass.
>> she was very el e elderly at the time and she was wearing his e this floral dress and her pearls and it just tore me up. she insisted that she be standing up so that he could see her through the glass. and, you know, i just -- that's one of the executions i can so vividly picture. it's not him. it's her. i picture her hands and how wrinkle add and they were again the glass so she could make sure that her son could see her. >> in 2001, larry fitzgerald recruited michelle. it evolved when she became a mother in 2005. >> up until that point, i had aumgs sympathized with the victim's family. they err witnessing this execution. after having a child of my own, i really started to e ee eed em the inmate's family as well. they're watching their loved one die.
you have a mother who is watching their son go to sleep forever. and i started to have a much harder time with it. >> larry fitzgerald witnessing the eblg e execution, still wasz e weighs on him to this day. >> some of the executions, i still think about. i have some dreams about them. >> which ones? >> these are the fact e facts. in 1983, car la fayrenh e faye tucker and her boy friend killed two people in a houston apartment. >> she would be the first woman put to death in texas since the civil war. >> she was a born again christian and i have no doubt about her sincerity. >> so far, the texas governor's office has received 2400 letters in the tucker case by a margin of more than five to one, they're pleading for clemency. >> and i shared this before. i see jesus coming and just literally taking me pill the arm and else korting me home from that table.
>> shely rally skipped down the aisle. climbed up only the gurney. she was con vinced she's going to a better place. >> and you still think about that? >> yeah. absolutely. we became friends. that's the thing about the job that i had. you're on death row. at least once a week. sometimes twice a week depending only if you're female death row and male death row. you get to know the defender. you become familiar with them. there's one offender that, when i walked in, he was in a holding cell. he looked at me and said well, you knew it was going to come down to this sooner or later. you know.
he made a request. you know what i recall'd really like. i said what? i'd like some brksz in cherries. >> today, larry and michelle no longer who recollect for the texas prison system. both tell me they still support the death penalty, but doubts remain about the process. >> what did watching that much rich alized death do to you? >> it made me think very seriously about the death penalty. and, again, i'll say i'm not against it. but in questionings how this person was convicted? how did this person get convicted. >> do you think you ever watched someone innocent be kill snd. >> there were some people i had some doubts about. >> whabd e what would that mean
if there was someone who was nent? >> it would be horrible. it would be absolutely horrible. >> the key is a system that is transparent. >> i always want the media to be involved in every execution. they have to be there. i mean, that is the public's eye into what is going on. and the ultimate bureaucratic solution. the ultimate bureaucratic solution. the highest state's bur ok real sill there. >> yes. >> go to allinwithchris.com. you can also find a link to fantastic reporting on larry and michelle which inspired us to go down there to learn more about their experiences. that is "all in" for this evening. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. julia got some money for christmas. con gratulations, julia.
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