tv The Rundown With Jose Diaz- Balart MSNBC January 8, 2015 6:00am-8:01am PST
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lookout for the two men. the first of those two men have been identified as cherif kouachi. convicted of terrorism charges in 2008. his brother is also being sought. police want the public's help in catching them but warn they are considered armed and dangerous. a third suspect, an 18-year-old, surrendered to police after he saw his name in the news. the french prime minister says quote, several arrests were made overnight in connection with the attack. while the police search goes on france is in a national day of mourning. at noon local time the bells of notre dame rang as large crowds gathered to mark a moment of silence. french president francois hollande joined police officers at their headquarters in paris for the ceremony. vigils were held around the globe last night from paris to new york to hong kong. to show solidarity in the face
of the attack on the press. the french hash tag translated as i am charlie is trending worldwide and has been tweeted more than 3 million times. the hash tag charlie hebdo has been tweeted more than 5 million types. as all this develops two new violent attacks in the past 24 hours have put france even more on edge. the first, a shooting that followed a traffic accident and left a female police officer dead. the second a bombing at a restaurant in eastern france. neither has been linked to wednesday's massacre but both are adding to the tension and anxiety gripping the entire nation. nbc's ron allen is live in paris. also with us from paris, peter gembell, a fellowist. sightings of the suspects northwest of paris? >> this one seems to have more credibility than others. there have been reports of sightings through the night, through the day.
everyone thinks they see and police are responding. apparently none of these sightings have proven to be the suspects. this has been going on for some time now. involves about 70 officers. they're zeroing in on an area. based on what we're hearing from authorities, they seem to think that these two suspects are not that far away. there was even a report that they're heading back towards paris. but, again, these are -- citizens of paris, citizens of france. they live in paris somewhere we believe. and so it's likely they're somewhere in this community. here, we're at the largest plaza, the largest plaza in paris near the magazine. the magazine headquarters is right down the street there. you can see near me crowds gathering, paying their respects. down there, there are candles, there are flowers.
even a display of pens and pencils in tribute to the journalists who were lost. a lot of solidarity here. it's a very strange time to be in paris. i've been to this town many times. obviously, nothing like this has happened in a very long time. it's a very comb better place. people are on edge. they're concerned about what might happen next. the killing this morning of a policewoman, a police officer on outskirts of paris was also chilling because there is concern these two gunmen who are considered armed and extremely dangerous could strike again. the the incident happened in broad daylight so people are on edge and authorities are being very circumspect as they try to nail down these two suspects. >> we know the identities of some of the victims including the editor and some of the cartoonists. we know the names of the two police officers. what do you make of the way
france and the receive of the world has responded? >> well the mood is very sober. but very determined. and what i thought was magnificent yesterday was that immediately on hearing the news people went into the streets to protest, to demand freedom of speech. this is a country where freedom of speech is in the dna essentially. it was in the declaration of the rights of the citizens. they overthrew kings for the right of freedom of speech. here is something that was seen not so much an attack on individual cartoonists but an attack on a very fundamental freedom which is very dear to the french. so the reaction has been you can't do that. you just can't do that. >> peter, talk to me about this dichotomy of sorts. one is the concern there must be in the country as a whole that these two armed thugs are on the loose and they haven't found them. on the other hand the concern
there is for their society and the fact there's been an attack as you say, one of the fundamental pillars of french society. >> well i think what you have to take into account and put into a context is that this is not the first time france has been under attack. there have been bombings. there was in 1995 a terrible bombing in the subway. and so there is a history of terrorism in france which people have learned to live with, unfortunately as it is. the other thing that's very very important is that there is a radicalized underclass if you like in france immigrant populations living in fairly squalid surroundings outside city centers, without jobs poor and it's very very fertile ground for the sort of radical jihadist islamic movements that we're seeing.
and we now know over the last two or three years, we know that a fair number of these young men have been going to iraq have been going to syria, and what we know about the suspects as i say, they're just suspects is that they have a history, at least one of them has a history, of being very closely involved in the november in the movement of essentially sending young french men out to iraq. so this -- in the context for france is very complicated. because these are french citizens. these are young french men. they are completely disenfranchised, radicalized, armed and dangerous. >> peter gumbel and ron allen, both from paris, thank you. we just learned from paris prosecutor's office this morning's shooting in south of paris, in the suburb, is now being assigned to the counterterrorist unit to investigate. i want to bring in mikey kay,
international affairs correspondent. also with me is a 25-year veteran of the fbi and msnbc contributor. what do you make of these suspects at least one linked to terrorist activities in the past? >> well it's not entirely surprising, given what we saw in the videotape. they seemed to have some level of training as exhibited by the way they move during the attack. the target was obviously -- there was reconnaissance done. in my opinion, they knew exactly what they were going for. they were able to accomplish their mission. get away. they're still on the loose. so not entirely surprising this is not their first dabble in terrorism. >> look, the way they handled the weapons. the way they communicated silently with each other. there's some knowledge. we now this 18-year-old is in custody. several other arrests were made overnight according to authorities. they hope obviously this gives
some clues to where these suspects might be. >> it appears that the -- one of the main suspects char relationship kouachi is actually known to french authorities. they actually convicted cherif kouachi according to a press report in 2008 of being involved in a gang of seven that were all convicted for funneling fighters into iraq. what is believed is they were charged on funneling fighters and going to iraq to join the fight against the u.s. coalition along with sakari who was taken out in a u.s. air strike. they've been involved in this activity for many years. it took many years for then to actually prosecute and convict. he went to prison for three years. so he is known to the authorities. the other chap you're talking about, the 18-year-old, hamyd mourad, he isn't, as far as i'm aware -- the reports are saying he comes from that class that
the previous -- your previous guest was talking about, that sort of class in the suburbs of paris, where socioeconomic problems exist. that's, as we noknow, one of the big problems when it companies to disenfranchisement of individuals. it's not just iraq and syria causing this. there are groups within north africa baca haram, al qaeda in the magreb. so they're getting it from the south and east. >> just a few minutes ago, nbc's casey vingrab reports she saw police racing through with sirens on a massive armored vehicle. witnesses tell nbc news about 70
officers descended in at least a dozen vans. these are live pictures. clearly a very foggy day. in france. we saw it in paris. a lot of activity there. gunners pointing out the doors. and so i want to bring you back to these two suspected killers, right. it's not clear if these guys were linked to a terrorist group. so far they've been able to stay on the run. can that have something to do with the fact -- >> we i first saw the initial reporting, my gut feeling said some support network. if they're even able to communicate with whoever might be supporting them now, that would be dangerous to them. likely all the communications are monitored and so forth.
also we have to be very careful. there's a delicate balance about what the police are going to be telling the press about what's going to be reported and what is actually happening on the ground. i think back to the time square bombing here in new york whenever everybody was looking for feisal shazad and a lot of information was being released. help was a he was able to use that information. so french authorities have a delicate situation. they have to release enough information to get the public to help them and to keep the public safe. but not so much information to tip their hand to these guys that are on the run. >> so far, in contrast to other incidents we've seen in the past there is very little information coming out authorities on this. michael hayden said police need to talk to the french islamic community to get their help. how critical is that do you think, to get this situation
resolved? >> yeah i think it's hugely important, jose. we've spoken about the holistic approach we need to take to the threat of jihad spism, not just in france but more broadly in america. one of those aspects is understanding the organic threat and how individuals become disenfranchised. a lot of that disenfranchisement is happening to the youth in the mosques by imams who are talking rhetoric that shouldn't be spoken. and they're turning these people. so it's important for us and important for the islamic community to be able to collaborate and speak up and speak against what has been going on. the other thing as well jose is in terps of intelligence and understanding and counsel the threat we talk about the technology aspects. the ability to listen or images drones or whatnot. human intelligence. we saw the french public
galvanize yesterday. tens of thousands of people coming out on the streets in cities all over france. the public will be vital to this. the public watching listening and reporting to police if they see anything suspicious. the human aspect is vital to capturing these terrorists on the loose. >> don, the fact is human intelligence is key to any investigation. and when yowl haveu have a muslim population as large as 8% largest as any western european country, and some of them are being galvanized by rhetoric in different areas, how do you get good human intelligence into these communities? >> yeah mikey's 100% right. human intelligence. that is really going to be the key. you can have other sources of information, cameras and electrical, you know, devices and so forth. but human beings giving you the real story, that is important. that takes time to develop those relationships. i mean it's very tough in the middle of this situation to go
out and develop 100 new sources. you have to start proactively building those relationships with the community and people that are running those circles that can give you that information when you need it. it takes time it takes planning. >> mikey, for the folks that maybe don't know how things in europe happen you know once you have a passport from a european country, you're able to move freely throughout all of europe without really having to check in. so the mobility is much more fluid in europe than it would be in other countries. >> yeah i mean there are many benefits to globalization. but what you're leading to jose, is one of the negative aspects. we only heard on the news a couple weeks ago about these immigrants trying to get from north africa. italy's a key point where immigrants are trying to get into. as soon as you get on to the european continent that freedom, that ability to be able to go anywhere within europe allows
people to be able to just disappear and whether that be, you know, that the trafficking of people the trafficking of arms or access to revenue, the trafficking of funding, all becomes very easy. until you get up there and getting across to the uk is much more different. but mainland europe is a lot easier to penetrate to wanna be terrorists to and from these locations, whether it's iraq syria or north america than say, getting into america. i think that's a key difference we need to be aware of when we talk about what threat is now incumbent on america. >> we will go to these images. you can see a group of officers moving. i want your thoughts on this. when you have two guys that were born if france and that are paris residents, that's one
thing as far as being able to hide. but if you have to leave the city you know well and you end up in places -- certainly authorities are looking at. it's difficult if you don't know the area to hide out successfully. this could be a positive thing for authorities. >> absolutely. that's the advantage the authorities will have. if these guys are on the run and essentially now operating without a plan more or less ad hoc taking advantage of whatever might come their way. the authorities eventually will get the upper hand on this. but hopefully it will be a peaceful resolution but that's yet to be determined. these guys seem to be ready for a fight and hopefully the authorities will be able to take them down without any more loss of life. >> and you and i were talking about this as the breaking news was happening. it seems as though these two guys were certainly more
prepared and had plans to get out of that magazine and not become quote/unquote martyrs for their cause. they're clearly not wanting to get caught here. in a way, it's kind of different than what we've seen in the lone wolf operations in the past. >> absolutely right. these guys were calm methodical. certainly seemed premeditated. there was no urgency to get away from the scene once the atrocities have been committed. that to me tells me these guys have had experience and training. and the experience is really important in this. because the intelligence community's been nervous and cautious about the secondary and tertiary consequences of jihadists going to these operational theaters and coming back and utilizes those skill sets in a negative way so that's something the intelligence community has to be on top of. we were certainly taught when
you're trying to evade an enemy, the best thing to do is go to ground during the day and then move at night. and i think, you know, if i was one of those guys trying to get away from the authorities, that's what i would be doing. going to ground during the day and then moving at night. obviously, makes it harder to track. the intelligence community will be aware of this. >> fog also helps. that's what we're seeing throughout much of france. >> that's a double-edged sword because it can be helpful in terms of the covert aspect but you can't travel very fast because you've got limited visibility. >> mikey kay, don, thank you very much. we'll be following the story all morning right here through msnbc. more live reports from paris as well as from adam schiff, member of the house intelligence commuty. a live look now at minneapolis.
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yesterday. we seeive images. there are also other cars. this has been an ongoing situation in this small town. every now and then, we'll see a big group of police officers move through. there's some traffic going through the street as well. we of course are going to keep a close watch on this. the cold is spreading east and south today. well below freezing in some parts of the nation. heavy snow and high winds are making driving dangerous. in northern michigan whiteout conditions. the truck driver apparently never felt the impact and dragged the van and the family inside for more than 16 miles. >> it was snow blinding. we ran into the back of a semitruck and he's not stopping
and our car is embedded underneath of it. >> that is terrifying. nbc news meteorologist bill karins is here. >> she's stuck with her family and she wasn't even panicking. >> the truck driver didn't even know it. >> that's incredible. jose, little cold in miami this morning for you? >> 57 degrees. do you know how -- anyway. but look we're grateful because there are some really dangerous conditions. >> when it's 18 degrees when we start our morning in mobile alabama, that's about as cold as an air mass as you're going to get all the way to the gulf coast. of course we're getting used to it now over this last week or two in the northern portion of the country. now in the northeast, you're really hitting hard. the windchill advises are starting to expire. it's not quite as biting cold as it was when people went to work. it's not warm either.
as far as the windchill, 183 million people under some sort of advisory or warning. as we go through the afternoon, it will improve. now that we're done with that now we're getting ready for the next shot of snow coming through. blizzard warnings in effect for areas south of miss. as the snow comes through, it's going to be more of the problems with driving. a coating of snow up through the great lakes and east tomorrow. >> doesn't seem like it's going to get warmer any time soon? >> slow. it's a slow warm-up. doesn't look like probably through the middle of next we we get a considerable warm-up. we may get a snowstorm too. we'll talk more about that. >> nbc's bill karins pleasure to see you, thanks for being with me this morning. i want to take you to one of the
city's feeling below zero temperatures today. that's coming up in about 20 minutes below s minutes. from paris, this developing story, i want to bring in nbcnews.com's cassandra vina vinagrad. good morning, good afternoon for you. >> good morning. >> tell me a little bit about what's going on right now. >> well earlier today, there was a massive police operation in the center of town. about a dozen police vans and heavily armored officers. witnesses said 70 officers in total went searching. it appeared to die down and the police presence moved on. however, about 15 minutes, we were on the main street of the town, a massive police presence appeared to be under way again. about a dozen cop cars raced through the town.
there was a massive article trailing behind them. the police have been just racing through the town about 90 minutes from paris, and we saw them searching houses in the area. they're going pretty much door to door. s.w.a.t. units, heavily armed, face masks on going door to door. this is a very sleepy area a lot of country homes. it looks as though they're doing everything they can to track these guys down. >> we're watching live images of this small town. we're seeing the caravan of police car after police car. motorcycles. all kinds of hardware apparently going inside of this small town. do you sense a -- a sense of urgency in this operation? >> absolutely. we've been hearing sirens pretty much nonstop since we arrived. and police cars are literally going in every direction at this
point. they've got motorcycles. they've got vans. massive armored vehicles. >> directly from france thank you so much. we will be keeping a very close watch on what is going on there and probably coming back to you throughout the remainder of this program. we're going to take a short break. afterwards, more on this top story from paris. this morning, pope francis offered prayers for the victims, saying this is a reminder of quote, how much cruelty man is capable of. also prayed for the terror suspects and for the lord to change their heart. the tweet simply read #prayers for paris.
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northeast of paris as part of a nationwide manhunt for two heavily armed killers. france's prime minister says he fears they could attack again. let me take you to the scene just a little bit ago. as police raced to the area. they wanted to catch up on yesterday's shooting massacre at the satirical newspaper charlie hebdo in paris where 12 people were killed another 11 wounded. nbc has been closely following the developments. what can you tell us? >> we know the ongoing operation, this manhunt now, has moved into a variety of different cities. both in paris and some cities further away. as you mentioned, one of the shooting incidents that happened in the early hours, in an area about 90 miles outside of paris. the french prosecutor in paris has assigned that to the anti-terrorism unit which means although they're not linking it
to what happened yesterday, they certainly believe the incident that happened yesterday carried enough significance. as a result the charges that have been brought currently being investigated as a result of the weapon used by these perpetrators. so a lot of significant developments. as a result of this morning's shooting, police are now transferring that case or at least dealing with that case as a terrorist attack. so that would essentially mean that would be two. obviously, the incident that happened yesterday and this morning at a gas station where that shooting took place. >> it's just i mean is it me are there access to weaponry when the rest of the population doesn't have it their weapons we're seeing that are really assault weapons we see in war. >> we don't have the answers yet because we don't know what if
any, there is a link between what happened yesterday and this shooting this morning. the general sense is that weapons of this magnitude, like we saw yesterday in the attack at the magazine and what we are seeing this morning are not necessarily very common to see in paris or to see in france. i think there is going to be a major investigation into how these weapons managed to get into the hands of these perpetrators. if, in fact they're the same individuals or just as a result of this shooting the investigators are focusing on it being a terrorism attack as well. >> one of them who had spent time in prison for terrorism-related situations in the past. there is a fluidity that occurred between france and other countries. and countries that are currently
filled with isis and al qaeda, syria, iraq. it's easy to get around? >> well right now what we're learning, we have to caution our viewers. we are getting more information about these individuals. based on french authorities who released these two images of these brothers who they are looking for. both of them at least one of the older ones have been arested by french authorities, known to intelligence officials, had traveled and have been involved in trying to recruit fighters in 2005. so individuals known to the authorities. lots of questions as to why they have not been in previous cases held for longer or why did they manage to slip through the cracks. >> thank you very much. i'll be of course checking back with you throughout the remainder of this program. you can catch him at noon eastern on shift on msnbc.com as
he goes in depth on the paris terror attack. michael sheehan, most recently special secretary of defense for operations. pleasure to have you with me this morning. talk to me about this town where we're witnessing a massive police presence in an area that has really kind of out -- as cassandra was saying kind of a sleepy town area. what can you tell us about an operation like this? >> right. well apparently they have information as to where these guys might be from. generally around the outskirts of paris there are these large islamic populations. unlike in new york city where the islamic populations operate together. the french are clearly hot on their heel also at this time.
>> we have to point out that france has the largest muslim population of any european country. almost 8%. let let's talk about the suspects and their connections to terrorism. one police official has been saying that at least one of the brothers was convicted of terrorism issues in the past. >> right one of the brothers was convicted in '05 for helping to recruit people to send to yemen and chechnya or iraq and, i'm sorry, to iraq and syria, but has tied to the yemeni group aqap. this is a guy with al qaeda linkages. spent some time in jail. probably made more informations there. has come out and now is involved in this incidentincident. back in 2005 al qaeda was the primary player in syria and iraq and so his connections may be
there as opposed to isis group but right now it's unclear which connections he has and they're going to get to the bottom of that pretty soon i'm sure. >> michael, thank you so very much for being with me this morning. i want to bring in our next guest, senior member of the intelligence committee, chair of the congressional caucus for freedom the press. congressman, good to see you. tell me your reaction to these latest developments as the authorities try to track these killers down. >> well it's appalling. and horrifying of course. our hearts go out to our french allies and the hell they're going through right now. in many ways this looks early reminiscent of boston. and the manhunt that was going on for those two brothers. the tsarnaev brothers in boston were known to law enforcement just as these brothers were known to the french. just as those responsible for the shootings in ottawa was known to authorities. often it's the population you do
know that is still a problem. and it just shows the difficulty in thwarting terrorist attacks. particularly when they're relatively low tech. even though this wallace a sophisticated attack it didn't require a lot of complicated machinery, bomb making materials or ways of getting new bomb materials through an airport for example. so fairly low tech but nonetheless very lethal. >> yeah the fact they had two automatic weapons in a country that doesn't have -- that has very strict gun control laws. you know, bears the question how is this stuff getting in. there's a shooting this morning, another police officer killed. what concerns you most about this attack and when you think about the united states and how we have issues that we have to confront? >> well a couple things that really concern me. we're still looking -- i know as the french authorities are into whether there are connections here.
or whether they actually were in communication with these groups. one of the assailants saying they were affiliated with aqap that al qaeda offshoot. we still need to find out is that something he merely had an ideological affinity with that group or were they merely instructing him to do this. so that's something we want to find out in terms of what the influences, what the impact is here in the united states i think we do have to be very much on guard for a similar attack where you have multiple gunmen that can cause a lot of loss of life and do so in a way that's very hard to prevent or detect. if, for example, they're fairly insular, they're not communicating with others that is what concerns me the most those that don't have an association overseas. because those that do may be easier to disrupt and find out about. >> congressman, quickly, the
effect it has on freedom of expression, freedom of the press, i think, should not be underestimated. >> you're absolutely right. you have to think that it is going to have a chilling impact on freedom of expression. it's going to affect people whether they're willing to work for publications that might lampoon something within islam or the prophet. it's going to affect what people are willing to publish. even now when you see coverage of this some of the period calls are shading out that -- the images of the french publications because they're concerned about showing those images. we're already seeing some self- self-censorship self-censorship. just as our own experience with the attack on sony how many film companies are now going to want to parody north korea and potentially make themselves vulnerable to cyberattack. this is something we have to resist and encourage in the most
robust and uncensored environment as we can. >> congressman, thank you. still ahead on "the rundown," more on the terror attack in paris. and silencing satire. i'll talk with a comedian about the impact. a senate committee starts marking up a bill on the controversial keystone pipeline. i'll talk to the republican sponsor of that bill next. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community,
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we'll go back to that breaking news outside of paris. police are searching buildings in this town including farms and country homes. these are images we're just getting in. police dressed in military fatigues, ski masks, carrying cameo rifles have been searching. dozens of police are said to be in that town right now. an hour from paris. this comes among a nationwide manhunt for the two men blamed
for the massacre in the french capital. of course we'll have much more as it becomes available. now, now to capitol hill where republicans say they're getting an ear full from the white house on the keystone pipeline. in just about 15 minutes, the senate energy and national resource committee will be marking up a bill aiming to improve the pipeline. it's got bipartisan sponsors in democrat joe manchin and republican john hoven but the white house says the president will veto it. which is something mcconnell brought up in his first press conference as majority leader. >> this is exactly the same bill before the senate last month when the then majority was trying to save landrieu in a runoff. i don't recall the president mentioning at that point he would veto the bill. >> one of those co-sponsors,
north dakota republican senator john hoven joins me this morning. good to see you. >> good to be with you, jose. >> will this bill get to the president's desk? >> i believe it will. we have 63 -- or excuse me 60 sponsors on the bill and about 63 that have indicated support for it at this point. of course we're working to build more support. we're working to take it to the floor and have an open amendment process in an effort to build more bipartisanship. >> is this -- as mr. mcconnell said -- the exact same-type bill presented last month? >> it is. this is a bill i had written some time ago. my lead co-sponsor on the democrat side was mary landrieu. she wanted to bring it up before the end of the year. it got 59 votes. now joe manchin is the lead democrat sponsor. so all along we anticipated bringing it up after the first of the year but senator landrieu wanted to give it a cry last year so we did. >> yesterday you said you're not
sure you could override a veto. what are the options you're weighing? >> that's why we're having this open process or what's called regular order on the floor where we'll go through the committee, let republicans and democrats alike offer their amendments. if they can get 60 votes, those amendments pass and they're part of the bill. again, we hope to build more support for the bill by having that regular order open amendment process. >> senator hoeven always a pleasure to see you. coming up more on the terror attacks on paris as freedom of speech and radical islam collide.
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were killed for their cartoons. >> killed for their cartoons. jon stewart, making a statement before moving on to his satirical show. he paid tribute to the courage of the satirical work of the four cartoonists murdered yesterday in paris. this morning, charlie hedbo website has je suis charlie on there. joining me someone that knows satire and the muslim world, a muslim american comedian soon to be host of a sirius xm show focusing on issues from the american muslim point of view. >> thanks for having me on. >> someone that's dealing with satire, you made a documentary called the muslims are coming a couple years ago. what is the reaction to what we saw. >> unbelievably horrific. the idea people of killed for freedom of expression couldn't be more wrong, morally wrong,
intellectually wrong as a muslim myself it makes my boil. some people define us by the horrible terrorists that would kill someone because they don't like their cartoon. if there's no basis in islam because you don't like what they have to say, they don't represent islam. that's part of the struggle of islam in this country. turn on the news things you can't control end up defining you. >> correct me if i'm wrong, i think muhammad prohibited to those that supported and followed him from hurting those that were criticizing him. >> and there are a lot of muslim leaders that said the exact same thing in the u.s. and internationally, the prophet went through a great deal of attacks while he was alive, you know from threats and verbal attacks, and it was never using violence to kill someone for the comments. >> dean how do you become so twisted in life that a cartoon, a cartoon drawing, ink drawing on paper can offenders you to
the point where you take another person's life. >> it really goes to the point of like it is brain washing to a point of mental illness to be quite honest with you, that's the only way i can see it. people ghetto fended all the time. people are offended with tv shows, cartoons you protest in a peaceful way. regardless what the content is. that's the way it has to be. we come to the united states or from the west freedom of expression is in our dna, part of who we are. i performed kate middleton defrom saudi arabia to egypt to lebanon. freedom of expression is not who they are. the government has cracked down on things they don't like. in their view there's no problem protesting things like that because the government they lived under has done if to them. >> when you have criticism of christians and other religions, you don't see the reaction that you see when there's a cartoon about muhammad. >> absolutely. i wish the magazines and
publications in america that are shading images will show that in the united states of america, in the west muslim americans can be upset. i understand some will be offended by tit here and god willing, never more than that. the idea that i am upset by it. nothing says you can't depict the prophet muhammad. there's some indication about no depicting any prophet, not muhammad jesus, abraham. they're all prophets. nothing says kill people that does that just says muslims should depict it. the koran has nothing about it. they're doing it in the name of a political agenda which we will find out they have. >> you saw cartoons published in response to the murders. where does it go from here. fighting extremists with satire part of the battle against crazy? >> i think that's part of it. i reached out to a lot of friends that are comedians in the u.s. and in the muslim
world. they're more defiant than ever. their comedy is focused on mocking extremists. i have done jokes about al qaeda and isis. some of my friends are in the middle east. we are in there fighting on the frontlines using satire. >> when can i hear your radio show. >> starting next saturday 10:00 a.m. to noon on sirius xm. >> that was a plug. >> thank you appreciate it. >> good time to see you thanks. coming up as we take a turn on the run-down we follow the top story. officials on the ground in the french countryside searching for two gunmen who killed 12 people at a satirical magazine. going live to france coming up. [container door opening] ♪ what makes it an suv is what you can get into it. ♪ [container door closing] what makes it an nx is what you can get out of it. ♪ introducing the first-ever lexus nx turbo and hybrid.
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from paris. this comes moments after witnesses saw two heavily armed men rob a gas station nearby. nbc's bill neely reports that police gathered there, appears an investigation is under way. all of this part of the nationwide manhunt for the two men accused of killing 12 people in the heart of paris wednesday. i want to bring in nbc's justice correspondent, pete williams. good morning. >> good morning to you. jose fair to say france is completely obsessed with this manhunt for understandable reasons for the fear that the two that were the most actively involved in yesterday's shooting would plan another attack. the best sighting they believe they have is this robbing of the gas station. the people there said they thought that the two that robbed them sure looked like the people whose pictures were made available last night by the french police when the police asked for public help in finding the two, and in addition they're searching the area as
you say, they've got additional security around schools, public buildings, all throughout france. the request for help and trying to find them really extends beyond france throughout northwest europe. britain, for example, has increased security at ports and borders to keep an eye out in case they try to leave france and come into the u.k. other countries are doing the same thing. the second area of inquiry is to look into the background of these two. these are pictures released by the french last night, the one on the left cherif kouachi, has been known to law enforcement in the past. he had a conviction about a decade ago for trying to recruit young people to go to iraq and fight against u.s. soldiers there, and intelligence officials are now looking at whether the two, specifically him, may have traveled to yemen recently because yesterday one of the witnesses said that when the two men came into the
newspaper office they said they were from al qaeda in yemen. so there's a question about whether a qap, al qaeda in arabian peninsula had any involvement in this whether it directed the attack inspired it, whether they simply were inspired by that group. that's a big question here about possible terror connections, whether they were acting on their own or had support. the french police also say they've arrested about a half dozen people overnight. it is not completely clear what that was whether it was kind of a roundup the usual suspects thing or whether they were other people that they were peripherally involved we don't know that yet, trying to work that out. also there was a policewoman shot and killed today, the initial reports say that person was heavily armed with a bulletproof vest. it is not clear whether that has anything to do with this shooting or not. as is typical in these kinds of
things anything that happens is swept in and trying to figure out what connections could be. >> some in the french media are reporting one of the gunmen left an id in a get away car. >> a tantalizing question how did they get onto the identity of the men so quickly. and we had always thought that the car was likely the main thing because it was the most obvious piece of evidence left behind. what happened is when they drove away from the scene, they drove for quite awhile got into a suburb of paris, the car got into a crash and they abandoned it and carjacked a second car and moved on. the question was, whether they able to exploit that car and the initial reports are that one of them left behind some kind of id that let to the identity of the two. still, an unresolved question here the french prosecutor
initially said three people were involved including this 18-year-old who surrendered to police last night, turned himself into a local police station. we still don't know what if any, role he played in this whether he simply is related to these two, whether he was there, whether he was not, apparently his friends are saying no, he wasn't. so that's a question that has to be resolved and i suspect it will be in the next 24 hours or so. >> thank you so very much. good to see you. want to bring in a professor with the center for terrorism from u mass and former analyst from the cia. thank you for being with me. i want to start with you, mia. seeing this movement going on in a town close to paris, and pete was talking about how authorities were so quick to be able to identify these two suspected gunmen. is there any possibility that they could have been so very
careful in their operations in this magazine and yet left an id behind? >> no, i think that goes to the question as to whether or not they are professionalized or amateurish. this has been an on-going debate. for example, you have a lot of people chiming in about the way they held their weapons, the way they were able to shoot the weapons. the question remains is that they may have had some experience in terms of shooting planning the operation, but leaving behind any kind of identifying materials in the get away car is an indication that they were from the accident or they're not as professional as we initially presumed. >> or that they're good at killing people but not exactly road scholars. >> well i certainly doubt they're road scholars. i think what she was talking about is quite on the nose. you know they knew how to fire
the weapons, knew how to move how to ex-fill trait out of a small area. once you get out there, it is quite difficult to get out of france or get out and under the noses of the french police. so they probably messed up. these things happen. and they might have left their id in the car, that's what the french police say. who knows what the truth really is. they might have had some sort of covert knowledge about the individuals from other sources, such as some sort of electronic surveillance that they don't want to talk about but want to say it was some other piece of evidence that led them to them. >> that's a good point. mia, also an important point that officials reemphasize over and over that there were concern these two thugs could carry out another attack not just the one that they carried out yesterday. >> yes. and that's one of the most
dangerous things about it because they were very correct in how they operated they were very exacting. they went in they went out. they were able to kill exactly who was on their kill list. my concern is that there's more names on the list. but while they're fleeing the police, i'm guessing their ability to operate in a second attack will be severely limited. >> thank you so much for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. i want to go to paris, bring in nbc's lester holt. lester, good to see you. >> jose good to see you as well. dramatic developments here in the last few hours. this operation about 90 minutes drive north of paris where the two suspects are reportedly spotted at a gas station earlier today. that touched off a massive search, still under way. our teams up there are reporting helicopters in the air, convoys of police vehicles including
some armored military assault vehicles with ladders on them. one of our crew was stopped and searched by police at gunpoint. there are apparently road blocks in the area and even house to house searches for the two suspects, again said to be brothers. that they put out the word that they were wanted in connection with yesterday's attack. at the same time, as if this region is not on high enough edge there was a shooting this morning involving two people. one of them was killed a policewoman. it was apparently investigating a traffic accident at the time. there were all kinds of reports about what happened there, right now, no one is drawing a link to the attacks yesterday, but it is not something certainly you see in this area a lot. so folks as we said very much on edge. the public memorials continue this is a day of mourning in paris and across france. there was a moment of silence at noon here today, the bells tolled from churches people stopped what they were doing, and they continue to come to
places like this to leave remembrances, to light candles and honor victims of the horrific attack. this has cut this region to the soul, to the heart. people are fearful, the prime minister says it could happen again as long as the killers are out there. they could attack again. there's a massive military and police presence at public places in front of media companies here transportation houses of worship. they brought out about 800 additional security forces in the paris area as a result of this alert status. the highest terror alert that this region has been under. >> lester holt from paris, thank you very much for being with me this morning. so much more ahead on the attack in paris. the manhunt for the suspects widens. new developments as we get them through the hour. first, two-thirds of the nation is feeling a blast of unusually cold air. even the deep south is feeling the deep freeze. we are live in atlanta next
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the coldest day of winter so far for an estimated 200 million in the u.s. wind chills in cities in the northern plains and midwest are dropping to 50 below zero. the deep south is also locked in this deep freeze. atlanta is referred to by some as hotlanta. today, it is free oh lan at that. felt like 3 degrees. 3. that's unfortunately the story for everywhere east of the mississippi. gabe gutierrez is in atlanta. gabe, is it warming up at all? >> reporter: good morning, jose. definitely not hotlanta today. it warmed up slightly and i say very, very very slightly. it is now up to about 12 degrees
here in atlanta. definitely better than as you mention the negative 50 degree wind chills up there in the midwest and in minnesota. but temperatures especially for what is usually a mild city like atlanta can get dangerously cold. the city of atlanta last night opened an emergency shelter for people here and several counties north of here this morning delayed start of school for two hours to keep the children safe. school buses had to go door to door. and today, fulton county has opened its fire stations nine of them to act as temporary warming shelters. the south has been devastated by the arctic blast. temperatures this morning in places like nashville well into the single digits. this is the coldest it has been so far this year. but again, jose if i had to pick one location to do a cold weather report it would be atlanta compared to say minnesota. >> i have to agree with you, my friend. i agree with you.
atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world. has it been effecting travel? >> reporter: as you can see behind me road travel seems to be moving along pretty smoothly. there have been pipes bursting in atlanta, a water main break in downtown atlanta. when it comes to air travel don't know of major delays thus far, might not be the case in other parts of the country. here in atlanta, the world's busiest airport seems to be doing well with this so far. >> gabe gutierrez in atlanta. thank you. most of the country is shivering. one place that's heating up the 2016 presidential race. potential candidates are filling calendars with important meetings and raising cash. wondering when hillary clinton will announce that bid if she
does so. reports are that an announcement will come in the spring. clinton has nonpolitical paid speeches until the 19th of march. with me now from washington kasie hunt. good morning. >> good morning, jose nice to see you. >> start with hillary clinton. is this now a notion not whether she will run but when she will announce? >> i think that's how we have been framing it. some is reading into comments from john poe did he say at that working in the white house, widely suggested he would have a lead role on any clinton campaign. he plans to leave the white house in early february and that he will do whatever he can to help her. hillary clinton has also brought into her circle a couple more top operative. joel ben ten son that worked on the obama campaign. the two of them are expected to play major roles. if it were looking like she wasn't going to jump in
probably less likely we would see all of the top democratic talent start to get on board. >> stay with the democrats, senator elizabeth warren taking jabs at the clintons. what's she saying? >> she might be insisting she is not running for president, but you're right, she didn't seem to shy away. took several veiled jabs at the after cio, said the system is rigged and made references to when bill clinton was president in the '90s, he ran against quote, unquote big government and pushed for more deregulation of financial sector and that of course doesn't line up with where the party's liberal basis. she also criticized made a veiled reference to hillary clinton's sitting on the board, formerly sitting on the board of walmart, a company that's headquartered in arkansas their home state, has now come to represent all of the struggles for those who are trying to
raise their wages as the economy tries to recover. >> and mitt romney met with members of the 2012 team last night. there's still suggestions swirling he will run a third time. what do you make of that? >> what jeb bush has been doing, the way he has gotten in front, especially the establishment wing of the republican party so early on has put pressure on whatever romney was thinking or planning. a lot in his inner circle would like to see him run again, particularly donors that ran the finance operation last time. the way bush entered the race makes it difficult to see how he would have a path. his advisers described it as not quite a savior necessarily, but not far away from it. if the right wing candidates that the establishment couldn't get behind or in case chris christie governor made one too
many missteps. at this point, we don't see a clear definitive path for him yet. >> jeb bush takes more steps, right? >> he held the first of his major fund-raisers this week in greenwich, connecticut. the local press there is reporting that he took swipes at hillary clinton saying if someone wants to run a campaign about '90s nostalgia, it is not going to be successful. from the republicans, almost the same as what we heard from elizabeth warren. bush is going to have to wrestle with his own nostalgia or lack thereof for his brother's leadership in the 2000s. >> kasie hunt live in washington, d.c. thank you so much for being with me. up next we zoom through some of today's other top stories, making news, including a fatal shooting in ohio and two families in mourning speaking out the first time since an avalanche took the
lives of two u.s. skiers. a stark reminder of the power of social media. massive reverberation online around the terror attack. this powerful image from paris last night. not afraid. closer to our facebook page drawing reactions from hundreds of viewers. millions of messages many in the form of editorial cartoons. the very medium the terrorists sought to attack. on twitter, more than 5.3 mentions of charlie hebdo. and respect for muslims trending worldwide. one other hash tag, je suis charlie. that's more... shh... i know that's more than 100%. but that's what winners give. now bicycle kick your old 401(k) into an ira. i know, i know. listen,
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stories. the fbi looking into whether detonation of an ied outside naacp offices in colorado springs was an act of domestic terrorism. no injuries reported after the tuesday explosion. police say there was only minor damage. the fbi says it is investigating all possible motives and terrorism could be a possibility. airport police in columbus ohio shot and killed a man outside a terminal. no officers or bystanders were hurt. an airport spokesman said the victim is male. police are investigating why he was at the airport. earlier this week the u.s. ski team lost two of the brightest prospects in a tragic avalanche in austria. this morning, the families are speaking out about their sons. >> it was a massive slide. they were just you know caught up in it. you know, it is just the definition of a tragedy, there's no one to blame.
>> it is pretty crazy how it impacted the whole ski community. everybody -- [ inaudible ] >> two cuban dissidents were freed as part of the historic shift in u.s. and cuba relations, which includes a deal to release 53 prisoners held on the island. this is a day after the state department denied reports that cuba is being uncooperative in releasing the prisoners. state department emphasized the number 53 is not set in stone, the u.s. may ask for others to be released. no news or indication how many prisoners have been released. up next paris on edge as the manhunt for the two gunmen that stormed the offices of charlie hebdo widens. live in paris with new details on the search. also speaking with congressman william keating about how the u.s. is responding to this act of terror. plus this is a picture i
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paris. unclear yet how valid the sighting was reported there. there have been any number of sightings reported around paris and the outskirts through the morning. people that think they saw the suspects or think they saw something suspicious. this is the most visible, largest concentration of officers we have seen anywhere this morning. and this whole situation of s.w.a.t. teams going through homes and buildings and barns in the area has been going on now several hours. the police aren't saying what they're finding, if anything. they're being very circumspect about what their investigation is turning up. so we don't know if in fact these are the two suspects or not. there have been a number of sightings through the morning. we also know that there was another police officer a woman, who was killed earlier this morning in a town that's to the south of paris. started with a traffic accident. police investigating, police at the scene and a gunman emerges
somewhere in the area and opens fire. unclear if there is a connection between that and the attack on the magazine yesterday, but the authorities here are steering us away from making connection at this point but that may just be part of their strategy to say what they want to say publicly. again, we don't know. we know that case was handed over to the terrorism squad here in paris, which is indication that it may be connected. but again, we don't know. here in the center of town you can see behind me there are groups of people gathering. this is the largest plaza, about 15 minutes walk from the magazine down the street the other direction. people are coming to pay respects. there are candles, flowers, tributes to journalists that were killed and the police officers as well and through the day the crowd has been growing. we expect there may be another large turnout this evening. last night there were literally thousands, tens of thousands here and other gatherings showing support and showing the community is not going to be
intimidated by what happened. again, at this point jose a lot of anxiety because a lot is not known yet, if the two suspects will strike again, if there's connection to the attack that happened this morning with the female police officer. so people are being cautious being careful, still determined and resolute not to be intimidated by what's happened. jose? >> ron allen from paris, thank you. let's bring in congressman bill keating from massachusetts, a member of homeland security committee. congressman, pleasure to see you, thanks. >> jose pleasure to be here. >> as someone who closely follows this part of the world, co-chair of the french caucus what has you most concerned about this whole situation, especially as we see this manhunt that could or could not be close to the two suspects. >> from a personal level, what really has been haunting to me is the similarities coming from massachusetts, and the boston area with the boston marathon bombing. the tragic irony is they're empanelling jurors on one of the brothers suspected in the boston
marathon bombing right now while this has been occurring in paris. another situation of radicalization where there's two suspects that are brothers where the manhunt is spilling into the suburbs right now, and that fear is there, the hijacking, so many things were similar. in that front, i can't be anything more than struck with the similarities as well as looking at the connection to foreign fighters and travel as well as what's occurring in europe in terms of an action plan there that has been stalled in terms of dealing with terrorist activity. i think it could be a game changer in europe in terms of -- >> talk about the stalled policy. >> there's an action plan on two fronts to deal with external borders of european union countries, make sure there's harmonization of laws and enforcement, also what's stalled is passenger listings issues of
privacy, you're aware is so strong in europe stalled the ability to share the information on passenger information that really is important among european union countries where foreign fighters can go back and forth and come back as more of a danger in terms of training with weapons and with military strategy as well as an effect on the u.s. because we have a situation where citizens of the european union can come more freely to the u.s. unless that's tightened up that's a danger back here at home. >> what could we do? what do you suggest we could do about that? >> what europe has to do is move forward with an action plan that several of the countries are in agreement with. they've had meetings in july and august a meeting in october to push this forward, yet it stalled because there are privacy concerns about having this data shared even among countries within the european
union. without that there's a huge gap in place where people can go to syria, go to iraq become trained, become more radicalized, become more of a threat, and come back home. can travel within the european union countries freely but they also have less of a barrier into the u.s. >> and yesterday, heard legislators point to this tragedy as reason to give more power to the nsa, not less. play for you what the former cia and nsa director michael hayden said this morning on morning joe when it comes to private information collected by the nsa. >> that met a data doesn't look that scary this morning, i wouldn't be surprised if the french services pick up cell phones associated with the attack and ask the americans where have you seen these phones active globally. so we're going to have to continue to struggle with that balance between keeping ourselves safe and keeping our privacy protected. >> congressman, how do we strike that balance?
>> well i am a former d.a. and actually led murder investigations, dealing with a lot of these privacy issues and data issues. the one thing i'm aware of is that we can get information and we can do it through a system that still protects privacy. there's a tension, a balance with it. but that's something we can do. i know right now they're looking at the trace evidence going forward at the building where the attack occurred. obviously preoperational surveillance by those people they knew what they were doing, where they were going, who they were searching for. they're looking at tapes, interviewing people from that neighborhood to see if they saw anything. but they're also going back on intelligence information from that point backward to see what they have on the suspects to see who their associates are. that's vital information. but we can hit a balance where there will be protections of privacy and aggressive data collection. now, we do that more aggressively in the u.s. than
many countries in europe. so this is something that's going to bring the issue home. and i do think will make a big change in europe as to how they view the situation and create more ability to move forward on that action plan which will strengthen european security and strengthen security in the u.s. >> congressman, thank you for being with me this morning. >> thank you. up next two other stories making headlines. bill cosby back on stage, met by a bunch of protesters in canada. we are live in ontario with those details. and disturbing details in the search for students missing in mexico. that straight ahead on the rundown. welcome to the most social car we've ever designed. the all-new nissan murano. nissan. innovation that excites.
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stability in the energy market in hopes the fed may hold off on raising interest rates until next year. today's gains put the dow in positive territory for the new year. something unusual. bill cosby back on stage last night in canada greeted by protesters outside the theater. it was the comedian's first show after cancellations in the wake of sexual assault allegations by more than 15 women. live to canada and kate snow in ontario. good to see you. >> good to see you, too, jose. outside, there were protesters here that were noisy, but the majority of people going in with ticket holders, and they were happy to be here to cheer cosby on. >> reporter: applause and laughter for a routine that centered on safe topics. he joked about family kids wives, and bitter weather has had him wearing a fur lined hat he got for christmas from his kids, in his element with no disruptions inside the theater. ticket holders had to weave through protesters to get to the
doors last night. >> you are going to support rapists in the community, too? >> reporter: deirdre drove an hour and a half to join the protest. >> i am into forgiveness, but he has to take ownership for his behavior. his behavior is totally disgusting. >> reporter: some couples chose to attend even if they were uncomfortable. >> $100 tickets, didn't want to throw them away. >> reporter: others said they remained fans. >> hasn't been charged, convicted or anything but i hope it is not true. but i don't know whether it is. >> reporter: he performed for nearly two hours, writing to fans afterward, i would like to personally thank you for giving me the opportunity to bring laughter back into your lives. >> for more than 30 years i have been sickened by what he did to me. >> reporter: in los angeles wednesday, three new women that had never spoken publicly accused him of drugging and sexual assaulting them. the claims not substantiated. >> i looked at him as big brother or fatherly figure.
he betrayed my trust, took advantage of me. >> reporter: their attorney gloria all read criticized fill essentially a rashad saying people should forget these women. >> felicia, you should be supporting these women. >> reporter: she told abc news. >> that was a misquote. that is not what i said. what i said is this is not about the women. this is about something else. this is about the obliteration of legacy. what can i say to these women whom i don't know? what can i say to things that you are hearing when i'm telling you what i've seen. what i saw was fun, never anything inappropriate. this is the first time i was hearing anything like that and i can't speak to those things and don't want to. >> reporter: cosby has never been charged with a crime. his attorneys in the past responded to previous allegations by saying that they refute them and they did not address the claims of the three
new women. i can tell you, jose cosby seemed to have a wonderful time. he told the audience at the end of the show that he had a wonderful time. he moves on now to a bigger city london ontario, where protesters tell us they're organizing a bigger crowd for tonight. >> kate snow thanks for being with me this morning. a disturbance new development we are following out of mexico. authorities in the southern state have discovered more mass graves including ten decapitated bodies as the search continues for 43 college students that disappeared in september. this comes after a mexican president met with president obama at the white house earlier this week. at the same time a group of protesters outside the white house demanding answers about the missing students. joining me from los angeles, julio, good morning. >> thank you for having me. >> what are officials saying about the new mass graves that they uncovered? >> they haven't said much jose. all we know is that ten bodies
and 11 heads were found in a mass grave cite black plastic bags. the bodies were in state of decomposition. arms and legs were tied up and they had sign of having been tortured. but they haven't been identified because of the state of decomposition. however, authorities believe the heads, the 11 heads found belong to other bodies that also were found earlier last year in november so the new mass graves shows the deep violence that the state is going through in these moments since september when the 43 students went missing. mass grave after mass grave has been found in that state. >> julio, unfortunately guerrero isn't the only place this occurred. through parts of that country, we have seen over and over again this type of horrible situation. >> that's true jose. in the north of the country, in 2010 many bodies were found in
mass graves when they were trying to cross the border. authorities believed there were migrants trying to cross the border, and that happened in ver a cruise at the gulf of mexico. it seems to be a constant in many areas of the country. >> a tragedy in mexico. thank you for being with me. >> thank you, jose. coming up president obama hits the road to tout the housing recovery. his first stop is phoenix. the details, plus a deep dive into radical extremism behind the paris terror attack. what motivates people to commit acts of terror? how can the world fight such evil? we will look at some of those questions coming up on the rundown. the wind-blown watery eyes. and of course, the snow angels with your little angels. that's why puffs is soft. puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin. they help soothe irritation by locking in moisture better. so you can always put your best face forward. a face in need deserves puffs indeed.
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but the republican refused. the governor will be sworn in this afternoon. and we continue to cover the manhunt in france for those two terrorists still at large. right now france is observing a national day of mourning today as the world continues to try and make sense of such a horrific act of extremism. using the rallying cry "i am charlie." joining me to talk about the way forward is a professor at the university of california-davis school of law. and author of "your fatwa does not apply here." professor, thanks for being with me. >> thank you for having me. >> you grew up in algeria where your father faced death threats for speaking out against muslim extremism in the '90s. when we see what happened yesterday in 2015 where have we come since then? >> well unfortunately, we're still facing some of the same threats that my father and his colleagues faced back at that time. it was what was called the dark decade in algeria, some 200,000 people were killed by armed extremeist
extremists. and yet many people like my father and thousands of others continued to speak out, and that's what we have to do today as well. >> but does it take more than speaking out? it just seems as though you know, this french magazine was speaking out, and they were just drawing, yet that cost them their lives. >> well what they needed was more support and i'm glad to see that they're getting some of that now. what we have to do is to support all of those on the front lines, whether in north africa, whether in the middle east whether in pakistan and afghanistan, who are standing up who are offering an alternative vision of islam, who denounce this violence. and often those people don't get news coverage. unfortunately, terrorists like those who did the terrible crime yesterday get headlines, but the people opposing them don't. and that absolutely has to change. >> you know what? it strikes me as terrifying the fact that we are able to say, for example, you just mentioned in algeria, 200,000 people were slaughtered.
think about that. the numbers are so huge. there's so much of this world that is really covered in the blood of innocent victims. how do you go beyond that? >> well i think we have to recognize that fundamentalism is a political ideology and we have to challenge that ideology on the political terrain. it's not enough just to condemn the violence. you have to go after the discriminatory and retrograde ideas that underlie that violence. you have to go after the incitement. you have to counter that incitement with another discourse. that's absolutely critical. >> discourse, we really haven't heard enough of any time in the near past. thank you very much for being with me. i so appreciate your time. >> thank you. and before we wrap up today's "rundown," let's head to the white house where the president will be briefed on the latest from france before he continues his three-day state of the union preview tour with a speech in phoenix, arizona. at least three major cities are
stepping up some security in response to yesterday's terrorist attacks in paris. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. good morning, kristen. >> reporter: jose good morning. we know that top officials here at the white house have been in contact with their counterparts in france and state and local officials as they continue to monitor the situation. the secret service department of homeland security department of defense, also being vigilant. it's important to point out that the terror threat level is not being increased in this country because there is no known threat at this point in time against the united states. having saided that as you pointed out, jose we are seeing security beefed up in some major cities across the united states particularly at french consulates. those cities include new york chicago, boston. we would anticipate that that list would continue to get longer throughout the day. meanwhile, president obama who's currently traveling in phoenix, arizona, talking about the economy and housing today, was briefed late last night. he will be briefed again today. he's going to of course speak
later on this afternoon. we don't anticipate we're going to hear anything from him about paris, but, of course yesterday he made those very strong remarks, said that the united states was standing shoulder to shoulder with france right now as they endure this tragedy. and the united states offering its full assistance in the investigation. the president will continue to get briefed as he continues on this three-day trip that he's on-jose? >> quickly, very odd the president is previewing the state of the union before right? >> reporter: that's right. he's taking a unique tactic this year. usually he delivers his state of the union address and then hits the road to sell his message. this year he is traveling beforehand and rolling out some of the key themes that he'll be talking about in his state of the union address. and today he's going to be focusing on housing. announcing an executive order in which the fha will be lowering interest rates by 0.5% for some first-time homebuyers. tomorrow he'll be in knoxville, tennessee, and talking about education. jose? >> from the white house, nbc's
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