tv Morning Joe MSNBC January 14, 2015 3:00am-6:01am PST
everybody, welcome back. let's get a check on the day ahead before we toss it over "morning joe." president obama will increase access and affordability of high speed internet and the boston school board will vote on a measure to add 40 minutes to elementary and middle school kids. it will earn teachers and additional $4,000 bucks a year. that will do it. "morning joe" starts right now. >> good morning, everyone it is wednesday, january 14th welcome to ""morning joe." "with us on set we have msnbc analyst former democratic congressman harold ford wallace
white house correspondent for the "wall street journal" and on capitol hill time's reporter jeremy peters as well. so we begin this morning with few developments in the paris terrorist attacks. in the new video released overnight the head of al qaeda in yemen claimed responsibility for the charlie hebdo attack which took place one week ago today. the new issue of the satirical features the prophet muhammad on the cover, it is sparking additional terrorist attacks. the paper sold out in minutes. police say the gunman behind the market seenl had a wide web of statistical support. police say they had equipment likely that came from overseas and there is also dramatic new video that shows the kouachi brothers immediately after the charlie hebdo attacks. it shows them calmly returning to their get away car before
take us through the video again, what do you think first of all is extremely significant about it? what do you see about the gunmen but the police response? >> sure the first thing you mentioned in the intro how calmly they go about their business reloading their weapons claiming responsibility getting in the car. these guys are not in a rush to get out of there. they seem very much in control. this speaks to some obvious training and practice with this situation. then they get in the car. they advance on the police car. then as they approach i see them get out of the car, keep the doors opened and using the car as cover, the doors and then moving tactically as they advance on the police car and fire. >> what about the police car that's backing up while they're coming at them obviously, they're getting shot at. is that the proper technique for police or should they block the road what should they have done?
>> when you encounter a lethal threat i was taught in the fbi to get cover. clearly, the police officer knew he was outgunned, they had military grade weapons, cover is putting distance between you and the engine block is potentially the thing that will save your life. so i think they acted appropriately in this situation. >> all right. >> when you are looking at this tape, what is significant about it to you? obviously, you are describing what you are seeing but as somebody who is trying to sort of put together clues about these people what does it tell you the next step? >> i think again, it's one ting a lot of people go to the shooting range, they will shoot at a paper target very much in control. these guys are moving and shooting they have all this equipment on it's a very difficult situation. it takes training to do that. we saw still pictures the first day, they had a tight group of shots, the windshield of that car.
again, these guys are trained killers. >> that speaks to the level of training that they've received and this is different situation. these guys definitely have practice at this. >> i appreciate it. it is frightening looking how calm they r. as don said they were professional. they were trained. they knew exactly what they were doing. breaking news this morning, al qaeda and yemen officially coming out and taking responsibility. >> they are fully prepared to die. they're taking tear time. they know they have done what they have done. police will respond any minute. they are slowly responding getting out of their car as the police car comes. they were ready, willing to die as they believe to million marters. >> the world's largest intelligence sharing network will meet next week to discuss terrorism. the u.s. australia, canada new britain and new zealand
collectively known as bye-byes will take part. they have voted in favor of airstrikes on militants. here at home the white house is responding to criticism that it's refusing to refer to the paris terrorist attacks as quote radical islam. white house press secretary josh ernest explained why the obama administration believes it would be wrong to do so. >> the first is accuracy. we want to describe exactly what happened. these are individuals who carried out an act of terrorism. they later tried to justify that act of terrorism by invoking the relinlgion of i slam. the second is this is an act that was roundly condemned by muslim leaders. we also don't want to be in a situation where we are legitimizing what we consider to be a completely illegitimate justification for this violence.
>> so carole lee, a lot of americans are really confused. when they sea reports of islamic extremism on television for well over a decade and it has become really the defining ideology of our time as far as what we respond we are fighting against the islamic state. >> and have been. >> and have been fighting against isis and fighting against al qaeda. these are people that run planes into buildings, not because they want to gain territory, but because they believe they are marters and that's how they will be rewarded. it is all about their extreme version of relinlgion. so let me ask a question that millions and millions of americans are asking. what's with the white house? why won't they call islamic extremism islamic extremism? >> you heard the president say they don't want to elevate this
and legitimize these actors and buy into their narrative of what they're doing and why. and secondly and i think this is probably more significant is that you have a president that thinks carefully about the language the white house uses earlier on he used the war on terror language. >> right. >> he is also very careful in talking about these issues not to look as if the u.s. is in some way condemning islam or talking negatively and relinlgion. so i think that's why you are seeing this effort that may be confusing to some folks. >> it's confusing, but i mean we've had that discussion here on the show over the past week obviously, mica where you had one person after another coming on saying no no no this is not islamic extremists. let's roll the tape. a couple of things have been
said on this set. >> you know this is a climbing problem. i stopped calling them muslim terrorists. they're about as muslim as i am. they have no respect for anybody else's life. that's not what the what karan. i think it's a cult. this is complicated stuff. i think you have to treat these people as mass murderers. i don't think we should accord them any religious respect, whatever they're claiminger their motivation is clearly a twisted cultish mind. >> the muslims will say, not all, some will say, why isn't there a law against defaming muhammad? why are there laws against some kind of speech and not other kind of speech. it comes down to a political issue. i think that is understood here in france in terms of incitement of violence i think that's generally xanl rated.
of course there are a lot of what you call fundamentalist preachers in the muslim world just as there are crazy fundamentalist teachers in hinduism christianity judaism who will try to incite their congregations. >> i just don't hear this burning debate over whether or not to use the word "islamic." it's appropriate to use it if it's not. >> gene has to write a column about that harold because there has been a burning debate. the white house since 2010 has been trying to pretend this isn't a problem and it's yes only a very small, small percent annual of muslim extremists go out and kill. but, well mica has numbers from pugh polling from last year. there is a cultural divide between a lot of muslim
countries and france and england and america and if we don't understand this we make the same mistakes that george w. bush and dig cheney and that administration made thinking they were going to go into these countries and find thomas jefferson. >> well adding the word extremist to the phrase isn't that clarity enough the question i would ask? people have numbers and more extreme elements of islam, when it comes to stoneing as punishments, more than eight in ten muslims in pakistan and afghanistan want the official law, adulterers should be stoned. nearly as many say in the palestinian territories and in egypt. it's 81%. a majority supports stoneing as a penalty for the unfaithful. in jordan 67% there. it's 60% in malaysia. when it comes to conversions, taking the life of those who abandon islam is most widely supported in egypt.
86% and jordan 82%, roughly two-thirds who want sharyia to be the law of the land. that's important. in the other countries, surveyed in the middle east in africaen region fewer than half take this view. >> harold we have to acknowledge, we have to acknowledge, do we not, the nature of the wrath and the difference? >> one of the boys you met shown was david ignacious who talked about about on your show the funeral of one of the police officers who had a relative get up at the viewing and say those who committed these acts are not muslims, they're terrorists. but those numbers are hard to refute what mica said from the few polls. the white house the language i agree with carole this white house and this president language is very important to him as it should be but at the same time you can't -- >> shouldn't we though wouldn't it have been helpful
for fdr to say, well, you know naziism is not extreme german nationalism. yes, it was, and yes, this is muslim extremism that saudi arabia one of our good allies spent billions and billions of dollars promoting over the globe over the past quarter century. >> but i could see how good muslims would say these are not muslims. >> of course, we say this all the time on the show well over a billion people. i said yesterday, willie i wouldn't print the cartoon. >> but in fairness those numbers do not support the violent acts and terrorist acts we saw in paris. i can understand someone supporting tear relinlgion. i'm not a muslim. >> if christians were going out blowing away3,000 people in the name of jesus and carrying around crosses, my god, the
things christians are accused of starting crusade for i don't know, just the simplest of things are just absolutely outrageous. >> you could also imagine if that were happening that somebody would say, those aren't christians which is what they're trying to do right. we understand that i'm saying there are christian, there are extreme christians not extreme christians that go out and kill 3,000 people on 9-11. there are muslims. there are extreme muslims. i don't quite understand jeremy peters, why this is even a debate inside the white house. >> i think carole raises a really astute point is that this white house seems to be overly cautious in how it uses language at times, but i do think we also need to act knowledge a big piece of why we're having this discussion and that's because every time there is a terrorist attack, there are conservative
pundits who use the president's language as a sign of a way to show that you saw on terror. this happened with the fort hood shooting. this happened with benghazi and why do you hear everyone on fox news saying why wasn't the president calling this terror? it's less i think a debate of how, what the president thinks and more a political attempt to make him look like he's soft. >> well i don't know that i would call myself a conservative pundit. if you talk to a lot of conservatives. >> i don't mean you. >> hold it a second, though i am genuinely confused as i guarantee you an overwhelming majority of americans are confused why he doesn't call islamic extremism, islamic extremism. i generally am confused. it is islamic extremism. really. >> again, i said yesterday, i
will again, i want to reiterate, i personally would not show a cartoon of muhammad. why? you know why? because it would offend 1.5 billion muslims, just like i would hope somebody reporting on a story of people putting a crucifix. >> everyone has their line. >> wouldn't show that. you can be deferencetial to 1.5 million muslims. in fact, it helps muslims win point out these are muslim extremists, instead of muslims. >> it's not a condemnation of the greater faith to tell the truth of what happened. in this case we watched two guys who came out of an officer where they slaughtered an office of cartoonists. >> and three muslims. >> and said we have avenged the prophet muhammad. they said they were responding to the cartoons on the cover and in the pages of charlie hebdo. >> that has nothing to do with the greatest muslim faith.
we know what it is. it is a great faith. these guys misrented it. >> they feel like they're being taken hostage by these terrorists. >> i do feel since i'm leading in these discussions, i think now would be a good time to say that i support the communities at our ground zero when i think 1% of the population supported that out of sensitivity to the muslim population. this is just plain stupid on the white house's part. i think you have to call the threat what it is. >> with all different countries and faiths go to the unity event. >> when do they go to the unity event? >> you were in the minority there. >> i want you to know i do it out of love. hey, real quake i quickly, let's talk, when we talk about it this morning, mitt romney the guy is running. he's in. mitt's in. >> he's in. >> what do you think?
are you go only the get on the campaign? >> probably not. but i think if you are a republican and you are a big donor and you thought about what happened in 2012 you probably are thinking i want to try another guy. >> then you look at the other guys and then you go back to mitt. >> not necessarily. >> jeb bush. >> jeb bush may be the guy. look at these number showing an iowa poll at the town hall romney will add 14%, mike huckabee 9. ted cruz 7, chris christie 5. >> if you look at a poll if are you mitt romney, you say maybe i should give eight try. >> mitt romney is ahead. >> if he gets a good team. >> jeb really accelerated things by jumping in last week. now mitt feels the process is started. if i want a shot at this i got to go. you have chris christie making
his state of the state speech in new jersey it sound like his vision of america. rand paul took a shot at jeb, mitt and marco rubio. >> and mitt had a congressman supported him, called the washington post and took a jab at jeb. jeremy peters it has begun, mica and i have been shocked over the past couple years. we have always been a jeb fan. what we have been shocked about is the resistance you get a lot of boos from audiences, this is even conservative audiences, just like we've had enough of the bush family. a lot of people have enough of romney. i think on today's front page of the fork times which gets into the very deep reservations that a lot of republicans have about a third romney candidacy. i think about it this way, if you look at where both political
parties are positioning themselves ahead of 2016 they're all signaling very populist notes, especially on economic issues. so the standard bearer for the republican party is going to be the guy who said i like firing people or corporations when the country is concerned about the middle class and both political parties are trying to appeal. >> what about the other two establishment candidates jeb bush, who you look at some of his boards and some of the companies he has been associated with and chris christie who hangs out in jerry jones' owner's box and hillary on the other side. these establishment candidates. >> not filling that gap. >> totally cut out of cast material. >> right. i'm not saying it's not going to be an issue for jeb. certainly, you point out he has a lot of questions to answer about his business past.
we already had this debate with mitt romney. people already know what his baggage is his opponents are going to run clips, reels of his gaps and statements that make him insensitive to the plight of working people. >> okay. we shall see. >> my instinct tell me he would be better this time around. >> we were going to talk about the three pillars, the way president obama took him under the debates. >> and iraq getting out of iraq t. guy called it. he was mocked and ridiculed by barak obama. i'm sure if barak obama had a do-over, he would do what he said. >> i'd like ten new stories. coming ahead, representative xavier becerra and senator ben sasse and josh gad. come on he has the wedding ringer. oh up next from being on the
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gad >> let's take a look at the morning papers at 26 past the hour. the washington post they are investigating monday's incident at a washington, d.c. metro station. they are not saying what caused thick smoke to fill a train full of passengers. people on board say it took 40 minutes or more for firefighters to arrive to pry open the doors. one woman died and more than 80 others were taken to hospitals. district officials are not commenting on the response time and whether power to the system has to be cut off by the time rescue teams arrive.
the government's transportation and safety board believes escaping electricity is blamed for the incident. the moscow times, north korean leader jim johnkim jong-un received an invitation to visit moscow. putin seeks to construct a natural gas pipeline from russia to south korea via north korea. threats, an ultra-orthodox paper edits andrea america elmerkel.
the paper digitally fixed the image and turned it into a male sports cover. two other women, one from the e.u. and from paris were cut out. experts say it's new for the ultra-orthodox community and women in publications are banned. >> it's on women? >> given our conversation earlier. >> the german thing, yeah. >> it's gross. >> the sun sentinel, a florida teen arrested for violating his probation is now considered a hero after saving the life of the officer who booked him. he sat handcuffed there on the right side of the screen at fort lauderdale facility when he witnessed the officer filing his paper suddenly collapse. rut lenl then started kicking the security fence to alert officer, the scene is seen by other officers he will be
honored in a city commission meeting. the variety, espn which aired the game broke a cable tv record. >> wow. >> clocking in willie get this. >> wow. >> 43.4 million viewers. the buck eyes beat oregon 42-20. the cities with with the top ratings were surprisingly columbus dayton and cleveland, ohio portland oregon coming in as 4th. they don't count us because it's news. >> that's right. >> all right. >> the playoffs was a good idea what do you think? >> i think it was a great idea. you know it also made the bowls actually worth watching. everybody stopped watching the bowls, they're worthless. i think they are going to have to go into eight. because look at tcu. they looked absolutely
fantastic. >> they finished 3rd in the poll this year. >> i see bill crystal sitting over there bill we have to get 342 to get harvard in. >> harvard, ohio state. >> that would be good. let's see how they do. >> commuters in seattle may have the pleasure of riding the bus with a black lab named eclipse two rides the bus solo of the owner if the owner is taking too long t. smart pooch is able to get on the bus alone, where she patiently looks out the window waiting for the right stop. her owner says he is eventually able to catch up at the park which is four stops from their house. seattle transit officials think it is great eclipse is able to use public transportation. >> i don't know if i can get my boys in their 20s to do that coming up how rand paul claims to steal the spotlight away from jeb bush and mitt romney.
. >> in the latest op ed we have a standard bill crystal, what's going on right now? we should have pulled out of iowa. you have jeb jumping in mitt jumping in chris christie going to the dallas cowboy games, mike huckabee is talking about jumping in rick santorum is talking about jumping in. where does one begin? >> another guy hasn't been in the arena. >> no. >> i think it's great it's running. we discussed this we called it the more the merrier. i think. >> scott walker one of your favorites is sitting at 10%? >> iowa numbers are interesting, if you are mitt romney it's 14%, it's okay. it's a wide opened race. as a republican and a conservative. i find it a little depresing the
guys getting the publicity are mitt and jeb. >> why do you find that depresing? >> well i mean this is a party supposed to reform parties and the 56 for the future. what 2014 was about, all the impressive candidates running for the house. the governors doing a tough state to govern like wisconsin and michigan and we suddenly have people that ran in 2008 and 2012 and people out of the arena for 12 years. it's like you go through the games in college football you come across some game. you look at it and say i didn't realize it was the espn classic, they show you the reruns of a bowl game from two years ago. i feel like we're watching a presidential primary from four or eight years ago. >> but if fairness one could argue that ohio state should not have been in the college football playoff. they get if beat alabama, everybody thought might win. they win the championship. could one not make the argument
these candidates out and run a few times, including bush he has been out a while himself, should they not have the opportunity to assert their ideas? >> the thing is if jeb bush runs they have a real vision for america, serious views on foreign policy for the country. >> that will be good he will defeat a bunch of candidates. what i don't like is annointing either jeb or mitt. the establishment hasn't been this exciting since harold baker and john connelly ran in the 1980s. >> who won? >> ronald reagan won that nomination. i am for real competition. i'm totally for them getting in. they think they're the next person to be president, they should get in. everyone else should get in. it's a crucial moment for the country. it's a wide opened race. this is the moment to make your case. you shouldn't apoint in somebody
ahead of times. >> where is the energy if are you in an editorial meeting, who is the guy guys men, woman that has people electrified? >> that one person we did a poll of 7,000 people wrote in. they're all over the place, i think they have a sense of attitude we want to see these people. let's not close down the field. you read an article, donors figuring out who to get behind let's have fewer debits i'm against all of that. i think the establishment's view on this is sort of like they're running a somewhat profitable restaurant. another restaurant opens down the street. they done say, hey, is our food as good as it should be. could we put the other restaurant out of business? could we american with it? >> we are talking about the college football analogy. what this is doing, it's like saying at the beginning of the year alabama and lsu is great. these two teams will be the only teams that will play all year
and we will play them at the end. same thing with jeb and mitt. we wouldn't have known about ohio state or tcu. i mean i didn't know that ohio state had a chance of beating alabama until a day before the game. i saw these other sec west teams going down. same thing here. you never know what's going to happen until you get out on the campaign trail, until you have the debates, until you see who can handle it, who can talk about the future. who can inspire people. we seen some crazy things happen. you talk about ronald reagan. everybody talks about ronald reagan. it wasn't until 7:01 p.m. on election night that the media world and the political world stopped and said oh my god, this guy could actually be president of the united states never saw it. >> right. i'm in i'm fine i'm happy 245ir they're all running, here's my one recommendation to the walkers, the rubio, the pens
the younger guys now they are looking at the big shots in the race, a little intimidated, they need to show the guts to run. they probably need to run a little earlier than they had thought. if marco rubio comes on this show and says look i love jeb bush, he was my great mentor i respect mitt romney you know what i think i can do a better job, i think i can bring a few perspective. i have been in the fray. it will be gutsy. they'll have more money, better higher name i.d. than i have to start w. i will run a serious race, i will make my attack. scott walker mike pence said the same thing, there is something a little crazy about watching replays of preceding presidential elections. >> on both sides. >> yes well, that itself the other thing, against hillary clinton, don't you want to be the younger, fresh, new
different candidate? >> 22 months until election day. we don't have to settle this day. mike allen, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, guys. >> i referenced this with rand paul an exclusive in which you say the kentucky senator plans to steal the 2016 spotlight. he has some harsh things to say about the establishment candidates we are talking about. >> he's harsh. all of a sudden, there is a sort of a mischievousness in rand paul's comments. so he's off to new hampshire today. it's 2015. i checked. it sound like 2016. he's off to new hampshire. he's holding a round table on common core which, of course is a chance for him to jab jeb bush who has been a supporter of that in this fascinating interview with our senator whisperer, he goes after mitt romney. he says he had his chance. he goes after jeb bush says he's a big government republican and he goes after marco rubio,
says his comments attacking his foreign policy are silly and childish and you could just as well call senator rubio the chief defender of obama's immigration policy. so while the other senators are joining the house at a retreat in hershey, pennsylvania, he's going to be on the campaign trail in new hampshire and then thursday/friday again sounding like 2016 we have rand paul in nevada doing a diner stop so the restaurant in las vegas 10:30 a.m. i'm not sure what meal that is. on friday in reno. >> that would be brunch. jeremy peters wants to jump in. jeremy. >> i think mike is exactly right. mischievous is rand paul's m-o. he loves to needle his opponents, especially hillary clinton we haven't discussed, forgot the financial market he is teasing his other fellow republicans.
if you put this in the context of what we have been discussing lately which is romney. how does romney factor into a 2016 nominating contest. i was talking to one of rand paul's successors who sums up how candidates on the right look at this which is wow, i don't get this lucky to have three candidates, jepp christie and maybe romney now dividing up the establishment vote. i think a lot of the more conservative candidates running for president look at that as something good for them. >> what you usually have is one establishment candidate, 20 people on the right who chop thing up the establishment can get 25 or 35% and win. that's not the case if romney jeb and christie are running. >> that's true. on the other hand, i think they have to be a little too smug or a little too glib. a lot of conservatives '90, '99,
2000 said it's great bush and mccain are sluging it out. they're both moderate establishments. they can't be the two finalists. they were the two finalist was. in '88, i was close to jack kevin and dupont and other candidates thought we'll clobber each other. guess what the two finalists were bush and deal. these things can go in different ways. there are cross cutting, there is generational. i think it will be important. governor-senator, people who have been in the arena the last few years. if i'm mitt romney looking at adulations that suddenly the establishment is giving jeb bush i can see why he's annoyed. he is doing his best. >> he has been fighting. >> thank you very much bill crystal stay with us if you can. up next, he was yesterday's big meeting at the congressional meeting at the white house.
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>> where's that? >> where is the common ground? >> cyber security. i think it was clear after paris, no one wants to play games with security other than we have this bill in the house that would jeopardize homeland security. i think that will be disposed of without the game playing on the government side. >> do you see republicans and democrats being able to work together? >> you know there was talk about getting to the sweet spot the 25% sweet spot. i think that's even high joe. i think, it was contentious in the sense that the president mentioned one thing and republican leaders mentioned another and while there was some intersection, it's clear that what we should do is spend our time on those parts in the sweet spot so we can get some things done. otherwise, we will find ourselves in the midst of a presidential campaign it will be business as usual. >> good the see you.
any talk about this keystone pipeline that the president pay get the bill on his desk. did he talk about that give you a sense of how strongly he would push out if he did veto it? >> generally a discussion about energy policy period keystone was mentioned as well. so the notion was trying to continue this opportunity for america to continue to lead when it comes to energy. keystone pipeline was discussed. there was clearly a point of contention where exactly you go. i think overall, the sense that right now, we're in pretty good shape. we're the leader when it comes to petroleum in the world. in fact we produce more energy than any other industrialized company combined. so we're in good shape. we want to continue to make some progress. so maybe you see an opportunity there. >> bill crystal. >> congressman becerra, did iran sanctions come up? will they accept the notion the president can vika himself and
negotiate an arms deal with iran? >> they did come up. the president was pretty if i recall on this nothing will be done on iran that doesn't include the leader scholarship of this country. so the president said we will be talking to congress. we will be consulting with congress. we'll make sure witness a deal is reached, if at all. he said still it's less than 50% that it will be with the full understanding of congress where this will be going. >> congressman becerra, quickly before we let you go willie geist, your name has been seen in every piece as a potential candidate to run in the state of california. is that something you will pursue? >> i'm looking very closely at it. and i'll make a decision probably within the next few weeks. >> thank you for being with us. bill, the cover of weekly standard, the rise and fall of the nfl when you talk about the greatest game ever played. >> 1958. colts-giants, a thoughtful piece by jeffrey norman timed for the
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>> carole lee is still here. >> where? >> there she is. >> we're getting on it. >> she wanted to get to another table, talk about cutting her hair. >> have i scared her away? carole is that true? >> you would scare us off. carole ignore her. >> we're having a girl's day. >> ignore her. >> this is a weird way to start the hour. we begin this hour with the news and developments on the paris terrorist attacks. in a new video released overnight the head of al qaeda and yemen claimed a responsibility for the schaarly hebdo attack which took place one week ago today. it features the prophet muhammad on the cover, which starks concerns of possible additional attacks, within minutes, millions of copies officials say the gunman as well as the man behind the seenl had a wide web of financial support. police say they had advanced
>> it must have been the weaponry. it's incredible. the world's largest intelligence sharing network will meet next week to discuss efforts to fight terrorism t. u.s. australia, canada, britain and few zealand collectively known as five eyes will take part. they are voting in extending airstrikes against militants. here at home the white house is responding to criticism that it is refusing to refer as the paris attacks as quote radical islam. white house press secretary explains why the obama administration believes it would be wrong to do so. >> the first is accuracy. we want to describe what happened. these are individuals that carried out an act of terrorism. they later tried to invoke the religion of islam and their own deviant view of it. the second is this is an act that was roundly condemned by muslim leaders.
we also don't want to be in a situation where we are legitimizing what we consider to be a completely illegitimate justification for this violence. >> you know we talked about this before last hour and, of course we showed the tape again, the prophet muhammad has been avenged. this white house has been it's you go back over the past couple years, you got the white house that has downplayed al qaeda said basically al quaeda in its final stages. isis, the jc team. even now the president saying you can put a kobe bryant jersey on a jv team. it's still a jc team. >> that doesn't make sense to americans, now he's saying it's not islamic extremism when you are talking about the prophet muhammad. extremism. we are not talking 1.5 million
muslims, we are talking about the muslim extremists that resort to violence. >> i sincerely don't know what they gain other than warm feelings, perhaps, for themselves. again, no one here is condemning the muslim faith. we said it a thousand times. when you have explicit response to a cartoon that lampooned the prophet muhammad and nothing else to call it except what it was. it doesn't mean are you a bigot or saying terrible things about the muslim faith. no one here is. i'm glo glad josh ernest brought it up. so many leaders of the muslim leadership condemned it. they all say this is islamic extremism. we need to separate and strengthen the muslims. a muslim devout leader gave a speech on new year's day, under reported, where he said islam has a terrible problem.
we are now a source of terror and violence against others in the world. this is unacceptably. he said to the clerics at the largest university in cairo. you need to be serious about fighting these worlds in the islamic world. if the cc can say this the white house can't at least quote him? >> by the way, we will go to ayman mulldean. i separate isis from hamas. hamas is going to fly planes into buildings in new york city. it's the same thing with he's bhola. are they terrorists? yes, they're terrorists, it's a different brand. it is not driven by -- >> i don't know about that they have islam or allow, hezbollah, the party of god. they claim to be actth in the name of allow. >> but you actually have the leader of hezbollah coming out condemning this type of violence as well. and it's far different than what's happening here.
again, 23-year-olds flying planes into buildings. let's go to ayman mulldean from tel aviv. >> this will be interesting. >> reporter: a lot of angles to go on. let start with the reaction you are following in egypt. we just talked about the president of egypt. but in egypt, about the printing of the new issue of charlie hebdo, what are they saying? >> reporter: yeah i was just hearing that conversation but yesterday late in the evening, one of the major religious authorities there, a body that effectively issues edicts to the mobile citizens of egyptsh condemned the new issue with the caring kature with the prophet muhammad on it saying it will add to the cultures between the west and muslim world. it essentially denounced this new magazine saying it was going to decriminalization muslims and not a productive relationship
between the two people. it totally condemned the violence. last week it condemned the attack on the magazine. it said this new issue was not productive. was not helpful to the overall goal that people are trying to do. also coincidentally on that point, not from a religious point, a political figure we heard from him moments ago before his meeting with secretary of state john kerry. he too, has come out saying the new issue was again counterproductive, was not going to help in what people are trying to do. this doesn't further a dialogue between cultures and civilizations. >> also, on this one we have chief global correspondent bill neely. water the latest? >> reporter: well the latest from paris is that this magazine which was in financial difficulties were sold 50,000 copies on a good week is now stronger than ever. this the magazine that sold like hot cakes here 3 million copies
printed and sold within hours, 2 million more copies now being ordered in fume russ languages. you know,gys it's almost as if people here are buying it as a statement. they haven't bought it before but they want to show their solidarity not just with the magazine but stand up for free speech. so this magazine today in paris very hard to find. >> it's fascinating, there are so many times, bill crystal, that united states foreign policy is accused of doing something counterproductive that strengthens our enemies. these two terrorists by gunning down this magazine brought to the attention literally hundreds of millions of people across the world who had never heard of the magazine before. i had never heard of this magazine before. >> let's hope they don't succeed in the media. look. the iranian foreign minster condemning charlie hebdo. that's rich. iran began this business of not
just you can in your own country prevent the public cakes of cartoons satirizing the prophet muhammad. that's understandable in iran or other islamic countries. iran began the business of designing they could issue a fatwa in another country and people were killed by iranian acts or iranian inspired terrorists who are published terrorists of rushdi. it's different to have blasphemy within your country. the question for the west is it's very nice to by coffees of charlie hebdo and do a demonstration, does the west have the spirit and the guts not to censor itself now. >> what do you mean by that not to censor itself? >> a lot of people are intimidated and scared. are you supposed to make fun of relenlgion religions, we are allowed
to have debates about the character of islam. >> except about the catholic church over the past 500 years. >> no one is super careful over the catholic church scandals to say, oh we barely can mention the word "catholic." they're these people taken advantage of in a horrible way of little boys and girls, by accident, a few, people started making judgments about celibacy and the catholic church and the governance and people debated it. that's fine. but you really can't get into the business. this is where political correctness goes from being silly and embarrassing to dangerous i think. >> bill neely, let me bring you in. you want to talk? >> reporter: yes, just to back up what bill crystal was saying. i was if iran a few years ago and the state run, the main state run newspaper shows the crudest anti-jewish, anti-semitic cartoons, things
that would make charlie help do blush. it's a bit rich for the foreign minister to say this latest cover is ail unhelpful. sorry. >> i hear you, the question do you think there is some news networks that won't show the cover and won't talk about this. do you think that's appropriate? i happen to think it's wrong. is there a legitimization that should take place? >> with the week -- >> we show it on our website. after the act of terror which was precipitated by those cartoons, an act of killing and reven him against the people who drew and published those cartoons, i think, a, it's a part of the story. personally, it's an act of solidarity. if cartoons are randomly printed somewhere. don't print them obviously, you can do what you want. once people are, journalists are killed for printing these cartoons. i think real solidarity is to
show you are not scared to print them once. >> i think you are right. >> ayman talk about the divide in the muslim world, obviously and in the west and who you see in the middle east who you see in the muslim world, trying to bridge that divide. ro yeah joe, one of the points you were talking about. this is an important point, a lot of people use the word muslim extremism and jihadist groups. the word itself has been co opted. there are people that speak out and they use the word extreme radicalism. those are not words that are taboo. you were saying earlier how the white house is reluctant to say that. i think the point that dr. brzezinski was on the show. he said you don't want to see yourself in a war with islam.
there could be some of those sensitivitys as well. in terms of what happens from a religious point of view in terms of this ongoing debate. the islamic world does not really have large, there are two groupings, the sunni world the predominant one the only single body that issues these kind of respected fatwas or religious rulings is in cairo. every country has its own system. >> that main institution issues those verdicts. now, in recent months and if years, it has become more moderate. it generally has been a source of tremendous enlightenment and education. you will be surprised of the fatwas and rulings over the years. this debate falls into a bigger problem we talked on this show many times that has to do with freedom and the ability for people in general to interpret and to express their freedom. that simply doesn't happen in the arab world. >> quickly, you said something last week i think during this
discussion i found absolutely fascinating. you were talking about islamic extremism and specifically saudi arabia's part in funding, promoting, exporting this brand of the most extreme brand of muslim extremism. could you talk about that and how significant saudi arabia's role has been over the past quarter century? >> absolutely. it served several purposes. in short saudi arabia and the founders of that country have sub described to a version of hinduism named after a person from saudi arabia and his interpretation of it. it was the cornerstone of that country's religious interpretation of islam that it began to export through a lot of different programs. even in the 1980s when the united states and saudi arabia were fighting the russians in afghanistan, saudi arabia was very fundamental in recruiting people to go and fight in afghanistan. part of that was based on using
this intense of islam as a way to recruit individuals from around the world to come and be a part of something bigger. when that war was over saudi arabia continued to export that ideology through all kind of programs, whether health clinics that established across the developing world. so more and more and certainly now with the internet the globalization of that interpretation has become a major point of concern. there isn't enough forces there aren't enough forces to counter that interpretation in some parts of the arab and muslim world and that's why it is still a predominant form of that militant interpretation of islam. a very important word a militant interpretation. >> exactly. >> ayman, thank you very much bill neely, thank you as well. >> thank you, guys. we appreciate it. talk of mitt romney running for president for a third time is getting louder each day. new polling is doing nothing to stop the speculation. a recent poll of republicans shows romney leaving the gop
field with 21% of registered voters. >> meanwhile, nbc news has learned romney will attend an rnc meeting friday in staying and address a crowd for the first time since telling a group of donors last week he is seriously considering another bid. and it didn't take long for the attacks to start rolling in. here is senator rand paul talking about a romney candidacy this week. >> if he runs to the right of jeb bush he will still be to the left of the rest of the party. so it may be a difficult spot to occupy. look i liked governor romney. i like him in person. i think he's a good person. i think he's a great businessman, but that's yesterday's news. ese tried twice. i don't really think that there is a third time out there. >> this all comes as governor chris christie prepares to take a big step of his own toward the white house.
christie supporters tells the "new york times" he intends to set up a leader ship pack as early as this month so e-can get the fundraising ball rolling. he also heads to south carolina today. >> boy it's getting crowded out there. >> mike huckabee criticizing the president and first lady for allowing his daughters to listen to beyonce. he describes the singer's lyrics as toxic, mental poison adding the dance moves are best left for the privacy of her bedroom. on the democratic side of the potential 2016 field, stop everybody. >> the democratic side of the bedroom. >> shore up her staff for her campaign in waiting. the "wall street journal" reports a top white house adviser will be leaving the obamaed a men straition to work for the clinton camp. let's bring in chuck todd to talk about his bedroom move and
moderator of "meet the press." bill crystal last hour was talking how quickly we got jeb in the race mitt romney now looking like he's jumping in the race. chris christie is getting in there. you got three pretty big forces on the establishment side of the republican party all jumping in. >> reporter: well, let's look at big picture here. what a difference this makes from four years ago. two of those big guys didn't want to run. it does say a larger question, a lot of republicans obviously believe 2016 is going to be tear best chance at the presidency if a long time or they wouldn't be clamouring to try to get in. i mean i think one of the things we don't talk about it. boy, this means a lot of republicans look at hillary clinton and are not intimidated. >> that in itself i think is an underwritten part of this story of this to me surprise i'm sorry, nobody a month ago thought bush romney and christie could all be running in this race?
>> cluck, the exception was they would sort each other out. now they're not. i think they all see it as this is you know there is no 2020. there is no waiting. the next republican president in their minds is going to get elected in scent e 2016. so they want their shot at it. >> chuck, it looks likes hillary clinton's book tour over the summer actually had the opposite effect. it's actually encouraged a lots of people to run and showed her weakness as a candidate. >> i think that's a way to put it. if she had a different book tour do you think romney reconsiders? i don't put christie in that category. i think christie wants to run almost about redeeming his own political personnathan anything else. if hillary were an intimidating candidate, i don't think bush and romney would be risking.
it's pretty high risk. i think they both have difficult paths to the nomination. i think this is good news for rand paul and scotts walker. think about this when mitt romney started running for president, scott walker was a county executive in milwaukee. marco rubio was the state speaker in florida. rand palm had never run for officer before. that's just eight years ago. >> i think -- >> except for the fact that the republican party is it's always been about a coronation as you tweeted last week which made me cough up my cheerios no republican ticket has won since 1928 without a nixon or a bush on the ticket. >> right. a romney or a bush has run for the presidency eight of the last 12 cycles. it's a higherarcical presidency.
you can't run in 2020. a vp presumably steps up in 2024. so suddenly you are the bright young republican that is 42-years-old t. next time you might be 60. >> or if hillary clinton wins you run against an incumbent, in 2020, we saw it was hard the last three they've won. i think everyone is getting if on this notion so and so clutters under this space, there is only one search. >> is there evidence bill that the republican party is going to stop just electing the sons of people who run the state of michigan and car companies who are vice presidents or presidents or who run the navy? you can go back to 1988 and you've had men, who have run america and their sons getting the nom nation. other than bob deal in 1996 from '88 through mitt romney. >> as you know nixon and reagan are the two most successful
republicans in the modern era. eisenhower is special. eisenhower, true all from humble origins, middle class, main street types. you can't say that about bush and romney. so everyone will get in. it will be a grit race. there will be other surprises. cluck is right, they are smart, six weeks ago, nobody to the by january 14th or something, we would have this race going strong with all three of these establishments and others jumping in. >> final word chuck todd. >> reporter: look i think it's fascinating where romney wants to emphasize, too, i think he wants to be the foreign policy candidate. there is a stunning quote if today's boston globe, romney aids say if romney were president, there would be no isis and putin would know his place. >> oh god. >> all romney aids should shut up. i think that's the only chance he has to when. >> if they were around the last time around i'm with you.
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>> 28 past the hour. time now to take a look at the morning papers. the times of india, pope francis named the first saint from sri lanka from a mass of half a million people in the country. he encouraged christians to follow the examples of a well known missionary. experts say the declaration of sainthood is another example. the pope is working hard to bring saints to the area where the catholic church is growing. the holy father's visit marks the first by a pope in two
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>> 33 past the hour. here with us now from capitol hill republican senator from alaska, a men of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee, senator ben sasse, good to have you on. >> thanks, for having me. >> so pretty low confidence in capitol hill these days as you know what do you think realistically will get done in the next few months? >> reporter: yeah there is low confident on capitol hill for good reason in both parties people act like you can essentially plan life. people in all 50 states across the country don't believe that. people want voters from my state want us to do some small things to demonstrate the ability to cooperate. what they really want is a bigger conversation. they know we theed to disagree. we don't need to do it being
disagreeable. i think we need to set the presidential campaign. >> i've heard that. we've heard that. we've said that what doong can you do coming to this sort of from a new perspective? that can sort of cut through that gridlock especially the part where nobody is talking. >> yeah so i think you build relationships with people first of all. there were 13 freshmen 12 rs, one democrat. all 13 people tend to be a little bit impatient with washington but still wanting to make sure we're not coming here trying to make news that building some relationship. that's what i have been doing, getting to know people. remaining committed talking about the big issues nebraskans sent me to do. they don't care about post afrs naming bills, they think we have generational threats. they want those conversations. >> what generational threats? >> reporter: we are running the government on fine 65
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adviser for afghanistan and pakistan the author of "the dispensable nation," vali na sser. >> you were the state department adviser for pakistan recently we were showing some pupils that talked about viewpoints on subcultural issues. at times you look at the difference in the way parts of the muslim world look at freedom of expression and other things compared to the west it seems like you can't brenl bridge the divide. how do you bridge that divide? >> it involves a lot of dye log and engagement. many in the muslim world essentially see this as a continuation of colonial behavior in the west. in other words, we can say anything we want about your religion under the protection of freedom of expression.
>> right. >> therefore, the constructive engagement has to bridge this gap in the way it sees the west which is a right to free speech and the way they see it that this is not a way to subjugate their culture. >> how do we explain that to people that certainly if they did basic research they would see that bill mawr eviscerates christians every night on hbo, that news agencies in america and the west have gone after the catholic church sometimes viciously over the past 20 years, that we have artists that put the crucifix in urine and that's not post-colonialist behavior. that's just freedom of speech that i find offensive at times. >> i mean that's true. first of all, a violent reaction
to expressions of freedom of speech i think is a much broader agreement that that's not acceptable. >> right. >> but even in the united states if whites do say things about whites or blacks say or do things about blacks it's different when whites talk about blacks. >> right. >> the reaction is going to be different t. reaction of the muslim world is very much similar to the reaction of african-americans, hispanics when whites talk about them. the problem is that the muslim reaction is out of proportion and is not acceptable. if they had taken on peaceful demonstrations or demonstrating in front of charlie hebdo in paris, it would be very difficult not to say that the dynamic is similar. >> but charlie hebdo published, was that the right thing to do? >> well we have in the west we can publish or comedians can satire what they do. but it is provocative. there is no question about it.
and charlie hebdo would not have been able to have similar kind of satire about maybe other religions or another groups. so you basically have a situation right few that the extremists on both sides can take advantage of this. in other words, the most islamic groups can push the envelope by trying to provoke the worst side in the muslim world that would then provoke the right in the west and provoke in turn the extremists on the left. the constructionists have to engage people in the middle. so it's no different when we talk about ferguson. in the end, it's not extremists that will solve issues in ferguson. you have to find a way to talk about it. >> harltd you were talking about the importance of maintaining a die lock. how would you rate the obama administration? >> well, i think the dialogue las to start from now. in the beginning, it's the reaction to the violence. this, after all, was a terrorist attack that has been claimed by a terrorist organization. you have to react to it
accordingly. but going forward, it's very important to try to engage the main stream of the muslim world, who is abhorred by the violence and is not comfortable and will not support the depiction of the prophet the way charlie hebdo has done there has to be some empathy for the opinions slated around the understanding that the majority of muslims will not accept violence but will not accept being offended either. i think it's not a job just for the president or government. it's a job for media and community leaders and religious leaders. >> valli na sser thank you so much. still ahead, paul simon, james taylor and hugh jackman are some of the major superstars and talents coming together for a concert next week t. reason behind that concert and josh gad
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an upcoming benefit in new york city for cancer research. an honor to story coming together. the great paul simon, james taylor and other artist ares coming together. what brought them together? >> they all came together because they all had played with my late husband, and i wanted to honor him with a concert, and when i met syd and aid colleague, i realized i could take all the proceeds and doernate to themdoern ate donate to them to do their research. >> where are we in the midst of cancers? >> we're in the midst of an enormous project, which i think
is transformative. we know more about cancer than we ever did. we know thing wes didn't know five years ago, ten years ago. the real thing that's driving me how do we translate that coup cures. transformation. that leap is the leap we're in the middle of and need every resource, every scientific resource, every personal resource to make that leap happen. if that doesn't happen all the bake science gets stuck in the basic science world and not converted into real medicines. >> how did you two come together? >> the dr. hadoctor had a patient that brought my film to her and they called and said we'd like to meet you's we don't know how, but how can we work together? it took me a few moss of thinking about it and then i had the idea that i could have the concert for michael and raise the funds for the reesearch research. >> and how incredible for you. your husband considered obviously one of the greatest
since john coltrane yet you can just see the joy in him as a man as well, and obviously the love from just extraordinary musicians like paul simon and james taylor. this must be really special to you. >> it's an unbelievably beautiful thing. >> keeps thealive. >> it keeps him alive. he was beloved in the community not only for his expertise but for his manhood. an incredibly loving man. every musician i asked to be part of the concert said yes, immediately, and we could have filled the hall many time over with other musicians. >> when michael came out to talk about this and find a donor and look for a match, it was nearly impossible, but he was able to find a match. he went on to then put out the album "pilgrimage" post humeshumousily
winning two awards. talk about how it becomes a registered donor? >> he didn't find the match. my daughter gave a match, pow significantly important that was. every time we show the film we swab people for the bone marrow registry and through the film we've saved over 54 live, made 54 matches and the work continues. but we are at the beginning of finding ways to use these cells in the doctor's work and the work is to allow people to continue to have more time to find answers and ways to treat the patients. >> so doctor let me follow-up on what you said before. i saw a report a couple weeks ago that was disturbing to me which was that cancer sometimes,
a lot of times, just bad luck because bad luck happening. we don't like to hear that. we like to think, if we eat the right things exercise right, we're going to be able to have more control over our lives. but we get all of this conflicting scientific evidence. what -- is that an accurate depiction of where the knowledge of cancer is right now? >> the accurate description is that it's a mixture of things. there is a proportion of cancer which is clearly related to environmental exposures. what you eat, whether you smoke or don't know. we clearly no there are -- smoking increases lung cancer by 9, 10 15-fold but a fraction of cancers which are, what would be called nature's genetic accidents, and really they don't seem to depend on what you eat and don't eat. just to take mds as an example,
some of it we can track down to particular rare chemical exposures. but a vast fraction of it is bad luck. it's spontaneous mutations in cells that you couldn't do anything about. it just happened because you have so many cells in your body and when they divide they make mistakes and pick up mutations. >> doctor and susan brecher, thank you so much. "the nearness of you" benefit concert takes place this tuesday, january 20th at 7:30 p.m. and new york's jazz and linking center. for tickets visit jazz.org. >> let me just say, for tickets, good luck. sold out a long time ago. right? >> that's right. >> a beautiful event. thank you so much for sharing your story with us and helping spread awareness. both of you. up next the dramatic new footage of the charlie hebdo attacks. a former s.w.a.t. member and fbi agent heading a special terrorism task force will join us to break down the video.
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capitol hill jeremy peters as well. so we begin this morning with new developments in the paris terror attacks. in a new video released overnight the head of al qaeda in yemen claimed responsibility for the charlie hebdo attack which took place one week ago today. the new issue features the prophet muhammad on the cover now sparking concerns of possible additional attacks. the paper sold out in france within minutes. officials say the gunmen as well as the man behind the kosher market siege had a wide web of financial and logistical support. police say they advanced dwhamt likely came from overseas including military-style weapons and also dramatic new video that shows the kouachi brothers immediately after the charlie hebdo attacks, it shows them calmly returning to their getaway car before celebrating their actions and then firing shots at police. here is the tape in its entirety.
[ gunfire ] [ speaking in foreign language ] . we want to get a more full picture of those moments after the attack. here with us now msnbc contributor don ba re former assistant special agent in charge the joint fb fb n ychlty fbi nypd task force. take us through the video. what do you think is extremely
significant about it? what do you see an the gunmen and also the police response? >> sure. the first thing you mentioned in the intro, how calmly they go about their business reloading weapons, these guy, not in a rush to get out of there seem very much in control and this speaking to obvious training and practice for this situation. then they get in the car. advance on the police car. as they approach you see them gelt out of the car, using -- keep the doors open and using the car as cover. the doors. and then moving tactically using that building as they advance on the police car while firing. >> now, what about the police car that's backing up while they're coming at them? obviously they're getting shot at. is that the proper technique for the police or should they have blocked the road? what should they have done? >> were you encounter a potential lethal threat the first thing you're taught at least i was taught in the fbi, get cover.
clearly the police officer knew he was outgunned. these guys had military-grade weapons. putting distance between you and the attacker and using that car, the engine block, potential toly the thing that would save your life. i think they acted appropriately in this situation. >> when looking at this tape what is significant about it to you? obviously you're describing what we're seeing but as somebody trying to put together clues about these people what does it tell you? what's the next step? >> well i think, again, it's one thing -- a lot of people go to the shooting range and stand stackically at the line and shoot as a paper line very much in control. these guy, moving and shooting. they have all this equipment on. that's a very difficult situation. it takes training to do that. then we saw the still pictures the first day, that they had, you know very tight group of shots into the windshield of that car. again, these guys are trainered killers. that speaks to the level of training and -- that they'd received this is a different
situation than in canada or australia or even boston. these guys definitely had a lot of practice at this. >> don baralli thank you so much. it is frightening looking at really just how calm they are. as don said going through it they were professional trained, new exactly what they were doing. breaking inging news this morning that al qaeda in yemen coming oun taking responsibility for this. >> and that they're fully prepared to die. they're taking their time. they know they've done what they've done. the police are going to respond any minute and they're slowly methodically going about their business. getting out of their car as a police car came. they were ready willing to die and as they believe, to become martyrs. meanwhile, the world's largest intelligence sharing network meets next week to discuss efforts to fight terrorism. the u.s. australia, canada britain and new zealand, collectively known at five eyes will take part. french lawmakers voted in favor of extending air strikeses against islamic state militants
and here at home the white house is responding to krit schl simple that it's refusing to refer to the paris terror attacks as "radical islam." white house press secretary josh earnest explained why the obama administration believes it could be wrong to do so. >> the first is accuracy. we want to describe exactly what happened. these are individuals who carried out an act of terrorism, and they later tried to justify that act of terrorism by invoking the religion of islam and their own deviant view of it. the second is, this is an act that was roundly condemned by muslim leaders. we also don't want to be in a situation where we are legitimizing what we consider to be a completely illegitimate justification for this violence. >> hmm. >> so -- carol lee, a lot of americans are really confused.
when they see reports of islamic extremism on television for well over a decade and it has become, really the defining ideology of our time as far as what we respond to. we are fighting against the islamic state. >> and have been for a long time. >> and have been fighting against isis and fighting against al qaeda. these are people that run planes through building not because they want to gain territory, but because they believe they're martyrs, and that's how they're going to be rewarded. it is all about their extreme version of religion. so let me ask a question that millions and millions of americans are asking. what's with the white house? why won't they call islamic extremism islamic extremism? >> a couple things. one, you heard the press secretary say they don't want to elevate this, and legitimize these actors and buy into their narrative of what they're doing
and why. and secondly and i think this is probably more significant is that you have a president who thinks very carefully about the language that the white house uses. remember early on he got rid of the quote/unquote war on terror language. >> right. >> and he's also very careful in talking about these issues not to look at if the u.s. is in some way condemning islam or talking negatively about religion. >> right. >> and so i think that's why you're seeing this effort that may be confusing to some folks. >> yeah it's confusing. but i mean we've had that discussion here on this show over the past week obviously, mika, where you've had one person after another coming on saying, no no no. this is not islamic extremism. these are not islamists. >> right. >> and let's roll the tape of just a couple of things that have been said on this set. >> you know this is a chronic problem. i -- i stopped calling these
people muslim terrorists. that's about as muslim as i am. they have no respect for anybody else's life. that's not what the koran says and europe has an enormous problem. i think isis is a cult not an u.s. lame uk cult islamic cult. we shouldn't afford them religious respect. whatever they're claiming their motivation clearly have a twisted cultish mine. >> now the muslims will say, not all muslims, but some will say so why isn't there a law against denaming mohammed? why laws against some kinds of speech and not others? it comes down to a political issue and i think that's understood here in france particularly by the muslim community. in terms of incitement to violence, that's generally exaggerated. of course, there are a lot of you know what would you call fundamentalist preachers in the
muslim world, just as there are crazy, fundamentalist preachers in many other religions. hinduism christianity judaism. who will try and incite their congregations. >> i just don't hear this -- this -- this burning debate observer whether or not to use the word islamic. if it's appropriate, use it if it's not -- there is a -- gene's going to have to write a column about that harold because there has been a burning debate. the white house since 2010 has been trying to pretend this isn't a problem. and it's -- yeah it's only a very small, small percentage of muslim extremist that go out and kill, but -- well mika has some numbers from pew polling just from last year. there is a cultural divide between a lot of muslim countries and france and england, and america. and if we don't understand this
we make the same mistakes that george w. bush and dick cheney and that administration made thinking they were going to go into these countries and find thomas jefferson. >> adding the word extremist to the phrase isn't that clarity enough, i guess would be the question some would ask, pew has numbers on more extreme elements of islam when it comes to stonings as punishment. more than 8 in 10 want islamic law, official laws adulterers should be stoned. nearly as many say the same in the palestinians territories and in egypt. it's 81%. a majority also supports stoning as a penalty for the unfaithful in jordan. 67% there. it's 60% in malaysia. when it comes to conversions, taking the life of those who abandon islam is most widely supported in egypt. 86%, and jordan 82%. roughly two-thirds who want sharia to be the law of the
land. that's important. also back this penalty in the palestinian territories. in the other countries surveyed in the middle east north africa region fewer than half take this view. >> so harold we have to acknowledge -- we have to acknowledge do we not, the nature of the threat? >> one other voice -- >> and the difference. >> one other voice you might have shown, david ignatius, who's talked on your show about the funeral of one of the police officers who had a relative get up at the fun ram anderal and say, look those who committed these acts were not muslims. they were terrorists. those numbers are hard to refute what mika just put up in the pew poll. i agree with carol. this white house and certainly this president's language is very, very important to him as it should be. at the same time you can't -- >> i'm agreeing with you. >> would it have been helpful for fdr to say, well, you know, nazism is not extreme german
nationalism. what -- what -- yes, it was, and, yes this is muslim extremism. that saudi arabia, one of our good allies has spent billions and billions of dollars promoting across the globe over the past quarter century. >> but i could see how good muslims who say these are not muslims. >> of course. we say this all the time on this show well over 1 billion people. i said yesterday, willie that i wouldn't -- >> but those -- >> i wouldn't print the cartoon n. fairness of the numbers, those numbers do not support the violent acts that we and the terrorist acts that we saw in paris. i can understand someone supporting their religion. i'm not a muslim. i can understand supporting your religion. that's a big -- >> but if the christians were going out blowing away 3,000 people in the name of jesus and carrying around crosses, my god, i mean the things that we're accused, christians are accused of starting crusades for like -- i don't know just the
simplest of things are just absolutely outrageous. >> you could also imagine if that were happening that somebody would say those aren't christians which is what -- >> exactly. we understand that. i'm just saying -- there are christians, there are extreme christians. not extreme christians that go out and kill 3,000 people on 9/11. there are muslims. there are extreme muslims. i don't quite understand jeremy peters, why this is eve an debate inside the white house i. think carol >> i think carol raises a very astute point in that this white house seems to be overly kauchs in how it uses language at times but i do think we need to acknowledge a big piece of why we're having this discussion and that's because every time there is a terrorist attack there are conservative pundits who use the president's language as a sign of a way to show that he's soft on terror.
this happened with the fort hood shooting. this happened with benghazi and why isn't -- everyone on fox news saying why won't the president call this terror? what this is, basically, less a debate about you know what the president thinks and more a political attempt to make him look like he's soft. >> hmm. >> well -- i -- i don't know that i would call myself a conservative pundit, if you talked to a lot of conservatives -- hold on a second, though. but i am genuinely confused, as i guarantee you an overwhelming majority of americans, jeremy, are confused why he doesn't call islamic extremism islamic extremism. i mean i -- genuinely am confused! and i want to know what's -- it is islamic extremism, wilwillie again, i said yesterday, willie again, i want to reiterate, that i personally would not show a
cartoon of mohammed. why? you know why? because it would offend 1.5 million muslims. just like i would hope somebody reporting on a story of people putting a crucifix in the -- wouldn't show that. >> everyone has their own mind. >> you could be defr troschdifferential to 1.5 million muslims, and it helps if you point out these are muslim extremisms instead of muslims. >> the not -- to tell the truth of what just happened. we just a watch add video two guys come out of an office where they slaughtered a office full of cartoonists. >> including muslims. >> saying we avenged the prophet muhammad and responding to the cartoons on the cover and cartoons with the pages of charlie hebdo. that has nothing to do with the greater muslim faith. we know what it is. it's a great faith and these guys misrepresented it and
bastardized -- >> they feel they're faith is being taken hostage by these terrorist terrorists. still ahead on "morning joe," the new film "the wedding ringer." do you think he can co-host the 8:30 hour with us? i think he'll stutter and murmur his way through. >> do an olaf voice i. would love it! >> all the kids -- >> oh is he? okay. then the creators of hbo's new comedy series "togetherness." mark and jay are here plus fighting for school recess. why some parents in florida need to work hard to give their kids a break. but first -- he never gives us a break. >> i'm preezing. >> bill karins with -- >> just stop. >> i keep asking for one. good morning, everyone. here's what we're dealing with. the cold continues in the northeast and this morning a winter, well a wonderland down there south of d.c. richmond area, raleigh, all the way through delmarva and chesapeake, a coating of ice and now that snow is still over
areas of delaware and maryland just clipping southern jersey. it's not a lot but still slippery. look how cold. 27 in richmond. not going anywhere until later this afternoon. talk cold? one of the coldest mornings ever in this region. negative 10 in syracuse. same with glens falls and not factors any breeze. this is the actual air temperature. very cold stuff. look atbangor minus 15. the freeze line this morning, down south. this is the tail end of what has been a very cold pattern. now we're going to flip things. as of lately all of this cold air pouring down from the north. switch things up. watch temperatures. denver today goes from 40 to 56 tomorrow. even minneapolis will be 31 tomorrow. that's warm compared to how cold it's been there in the northern plains, and then by the time we get to friday our january thaw's in full effect. notice the 50s here. pretty much everywhere through this region is in the 50s. that's the whole southern half
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of passenger. people onboard say it took 40 minutes or more for firefighters to arrive to pry open the doors. one woman died and more than 80 others were taken to hospitals. district officials are not commenting on the response time and whether power to the system had to be cut off by the time rescue teams arrived. the government's transportation and safety board believes escaping electricity called arcing is to blame for the incident. it's still really questionable why it took so long. >> it is. "moscow times," kim jong-un accepted an invitation from russian president vladimir putin to attend a moscow ceremony celebrating the 70th anniversary of the soviet victory in world war ii. kim jong-un's visit, the first foreign trip since assuming power in 2011. russian ties strengthened as putin seeks to construct a gas pipeline from russia to south korea via north korea.
and an ultra-orthodox jewish paper has come under fire for moving german chancellor angela america from a photo at this weekend's solidarity march in paris. during the march merkel was clearly front and center in the line. >> oh, my gosh. >> and could be seen in several photos but the paper digitally manipulated the image and turned the photo into a line of only male leaders for its cover. two other women, one from the eu and the mayor of paris, were also cut out. experts say the choice is not new for the illy ultra-orthodox community in which images of women in publications are banned. >> it's about women, then? >> right. i think so. given our conversation earlier. >> a german thing. yeah. a german thing. i don't know. >> that's gross. the sun sent natural,-sentinelsun-sentinel, a florida keen considered a hero after he saved the life of the officer who booked him. the 17-year-old, hand covered at
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not good at all. >> not good as in you need one or two? >> i need seven. >> you need seven -- seven groomsmen? >> you do. >> do you have any idea what you're asking for? you're asking me to pull off a golden tux. >> i don't see it on the pamphlet pamphlet. >> you're talking about what we joke about here. try to do a golden tux. we laugh about it.
[ laughter ] tooing moving parts. no. it's called a unicorn, doesn't mean i can get you one. >> strictly a business relationship. >> not hiring a best friend. you're hiring a best man. >> thank you, thank you! >> what you do. >> i'm sorry. i got really excited. >> dammit man. white people. the scenes from the upcoming film. your glasses actually make me see better with my contacts on "the wedding ringer." josh gad, joining us. do you like these? >> i like them. it's weird your contacts under my glasses make me see better. >> it's frightening. okay. thomas lewis here you're going to go host this half hour. >> thas is it. "morning josh." >> but joe is the executive producer in the control room and i think, joe, he is going for your job. >> well i heard him say it off-air. "morning josh" works for me. >> does it work? you don't feel threatened? i don't want to take your job
without your permission. >> josh, i'm cool with this. >> this connection feels like it's been eons in the making. the right chemistry. >> there's a chemistry. unbelievable. much different than what happened on "the view" earlier this week josh where you kind of laid a -- a gigantic turd in a bath. >> what did you do? what happened? >> that's what we call a disaster. >> what happened? >> i played a game with rosey about rosie who knows more lines from "frozen," olaf. turn the out rosie knows more lines than i do. >> you need warm hugs. oh, come here! >> joe it's getting real over here, bud. what you're missing in that booth. >> like about the fifth hug between you guys. >> why have you been demoted to like -- >> no. he actually took over. >> some room in the middle of nowhere. are you in -- >> actually a promotion with you out there making out with mika. it's much cleaner and sanitary
in here. >> by choice. because he doesn't have to wear pants in there. >> are you launching spaceships off canaveral now? is that what's happening, buddy? >> i am doing that. gentlemen, the missiles are in light. everything's going well. so -- so mika was asking you a question, josh as she was watching the clip from your hilarious new movie, which just shows how unschooled she is in american popular culture. >> yes. >> could you repeat the question? >> she asked me looked at me and goes who's that guy? >> well i know it's you. >> as i explained to -- as i explained to her, that man is just the biggest comedian on earth right now. >> oh. >> his name is kevin hart and he is i think, one of the funniest human beings i ever -- >> this movie looks great. i'm a little uncultured. >> hysterical. it's so much more than a wedding movie. all the laughs of "hangover," "bridesmaids" and enormous heart, too. >> like kevin "hart." >> good play on words, on a
person you had no idea who it was before i told you. >> thank you. ouch. >> we have this amazing connection, and i think audiences have just early audiences, have absolutely loved it. >> oh i look forward to seeing it. olaf you've done animation. >> "book of mormon." >> which i saw. >> you and joe. >> a lot sweeter than "book of mormon" which was racy nasty, gnarly. >> yes. >> i really enjoyed going. the only problem was i brought my young daughters. >> i warned you. >> you did, and i thought you were kidding. and -- >> no. >> they were the only children there. >> "book of mormon" is not appropriate for anybody under the age of 18. >> mother of the year award goes to -- >> front row. oh! >> they were right there. >> front row. >> and they were like this -- the whole time. >> it's good. an education in what's really happening. >> oh! >> i saw 6 yrltds out there. 5-year-old. >> you did not. >> there were none. >> there were sometimes. it was crazy.
>> but you've run the gamut here, and what are you, 33? >> i'm 33. >> that's crazy. >> that's crazy. >> and last timtde i saw you at restaurant we keep running into each other in. >> oh right, right, right. hooter's. >> no! no. what's the restaurant, joe? >> it's on upper west side. >> exactly. >> where did we one into -- >> you had bun wasn't. >> yes. i know exactly what you're talking about. forgot the name of the restaurant. no. now i have two. i have two little girls. >> it's p.j. clarks always a scarborough/gad reunion. >> my mother she loves you guys. >> really? >> yeah. now, there's not another mom, there's another girl another daughter and these two girls are like -- it's cliche at this point, but he literally have changed my life and like the connection that i have as a dad
to the girls, and the girls to me is unbelievable. >> isn't it amazing? >> now my daughter is definitely learning how to talk back to mommy. mommy and see are -- >> how old is that one now? >> 4. >> oh good lord. that's a little early. >> it's a little early. still loves me like -- won't talk back to me at all, even though mommy -- it's mommy -- mommy's a disciplinarian. >> she obviously watched "frozen." >> she loved "frozen." she's over olaf but loved "frozen." >> over olaf? he likes warm hugs. >> i have enough of that guy's voice all over every day. >> all right. fine. >> josh, you got to play football with joe namath. >> the coolest. >> tell me about that. >> what? >> it's in my new movie. >> oh. okay. will you take me? >> yes. let's go! >> it's a date. >> what are you doing tonight? so yeah. joe namath too tall jones, john riggins, we have an incredible football scene in the movie that that -- takes place in this wet
mud -- and for the first time in like a year it rained on the day we shooting this, and to just -- to be able to catch a ball from broadway joe was one of the highlights of my life. >> amazing. >> although i can't describe it as catching a ball. to be able to drop many balls thrown at me. >> it was a wet day. >> a very wet day. >> give yourself credit. a wet, rainy deign. >> not because i have chubby undisciplined fingers. it was the mud. >> so you can catch "the wedding ringer" this friday. january 16th. i'm going to go. it's going to be fun. a date. >> are you going to wear these glasses? >> maybe i will. are you asking? josh gad, stay with us as co-host of "mj." >> sorry, joe. >> i think he did a good job. >> very strong. >> very very strong. >> joe let us know if conditions are right for takeoff? >> yes. i'm checking right now.
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spiking again and are holding off on big purchases. either way you'll hear a lot of talk about this, and it looks like it is weighing on the markets with the dow looking to open down about 2 opinion points on that disate.ppointing number guys. >> do you have a question for our economic expert josh gad. >> me? >> yes. >> let me explain why i didn't shop this much at christmas this year. ah, i was saving up because daddy bought a new house. so that's why i didn't contribute this year. and i'm sorry, because had i contributed, we wouldn't have hit that low point. >> consumer confidence. >> yes. there you go. >> no but it raise as good question, and that -- first of all, saving to buy a house, that's good. that will contribute to the economy. the question now is why aren't more people using those savings from what everyone is predicting will be a huge tax cut for the consumer from lower gas prices to spend more? >> certainly saving up frz"frozen" is the biggest hit in whenever.
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you want the doughnuts? >> yeah i want the doughnuts. >> all right. you can have them. >> thank you. >> you just did that right to my face. >> right in your face. >> all right. >> oh my god! >> give me them. give it to me -- give it -- bag of -- all right. you see? you're a mess. look at me. all right. you got a little bit right here. just a little bit. all right. i'm sorry it came to that but it's for your own good. i love you. a scene from the hbo show "togetherness." here with us now, co-creator writers directors and producers of the show jay and mark duplass did i get it right? >> great. >> and two of the great triple --
>> yeah. >> and losing out? >> way too much success early in life are and i've seen that clip and i feel like i live the genre of sci-fi and it feels like a great contribution. so i feel like it could work. i feel this could be the one that wins me over. >> cool. >> this is the one. >> guys we just adopted josh and he's feeting a little ingfeeling a little strange. >> you don't even know him. never met him? >> then send you up to dr. phil. >> sounds excellent. >> talk about this. just debuted on hbo, a fantastic home for this. mark, and jay, you both are writing and co-producing this, but, mark, did you decide to star in this vehicle? >> good question. if you're making a show on hbo, there's always this question of nudity and the question really isn't, will you get naked, it's when and how are you going to get naked and i thought this was a valley good chance to display -- this. >> oh. >> unleash it upon to the world for myself. >> what episode do we get this?
>> episode two. there are some -- >> nice and early. >> twigs and berries and things. start the lawn mower and -- >> i was going to say, or your wife in episode one -- >> where's this going? >> issues with clothes and a fence. put it out there. >> we developed a concept that we're sort of calling -- ah balls of quality, really is what it comes down to. we feel that any time you know like a boob comes out on the show the male counterpart should come out, too. we're 50/50 on the show. >> i'm good on that. louis? >> you're rightwriting, directing, starring in films. do you have a formula? >> how are you changing that? >> to make it happen? >> we've come at it from a totally different angle. mark and i have been making stuff since we were kids when wethe big vcr, walking around the neighborhood shooting stuff and weirdly we're still kind of cave men just coming out, making stuff and going back in.
we have to have roles now to get paid and that unions don't mess with us but we really are just two brothers making what we want to make, and in a weird way, we haven't come up against a ton of hollywood obstacles. >> so joe is executive producing this. joe, you've got a question or -- >> hey josh the rockets are about to take off. >> pray for their safety. >> mark for those uninitiated, you are part of one of the three greatest tv series of all-time. you've got your "i love lucy" at number one, "all in the family," two, and "mary tyler moore" somewhere down the list. what's happening with "the league"? coming to the end of this incredible story? >> season seven and expect more brave behavior from the crew. so stay tuned. >> and jay, "transparent." out of, really can i say this? >> go for t. you're going to make fun of me again, but as of two weeks ago i hadn't heard of
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>> my son was you for halloween. >> really? >> yes. >> it wasn't his choice. it was my -- >> my daughter was your character from "transparent." >> incredible! does she have sex with 22 young girls? >> you know what? i want to see your mother and i have to take control. what have you learned today? >> a lot about the economy. i should have spent more money at christmas and the duplass brothers are better than people think they are. >> you don't really like them? >> we have a thing that goes way back, and i learned you are responsible for all of nasa's mission. >> i really am. right now, and half the airplanes that are flying right now in the air on the east coast. you could ask the question why the hell am i here? >> we need you back here and i learned that "wedding ringer" opens this friday. >> this friday. i learned mika didn't know who your co-star was. >> whatever. >> a weird show calmed "togetherness" on hbo that josh
gad created and then i learned that, you know he make as really great third duplass brother. >> what did you learn? >> that josh is our illegitimate brother. >> wrap it up. >> and all right. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around though. "the rundown" coming up next. and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart's developing on the "rundown," claiming responsibility fomp the massacre that stunned paris and the rest of the worlds. a video posted earlier today claiming that the attack on charlie hebdo was revenge for the prophet muhammad. he also praised both the kouachi brothers who killed a dozen at the magazine's offices and coulibaly who killed someone in a