tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC January 15, 2015 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
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calling all the other republican potential candidates, what else? losers. >> there is talk of mitt romney running for president again. did you know that? that's the big news. >> despite saying the opposite for months. >> this will go well when he watches it. >> he reportedly will address the republican national convention on friday. >> it's never a good sign when you have to start your speech with, hear me out. >> the fact that he's lost twice. >> everybody needs a hobby. >> romney's worst enemy is romney. >> ann drives a couple of cadillacs. >> the 47%. >> will be very difficult for him to overcome. >> house and senate republicans are huddling to retreat and relaunch. >> i grew up castrating hogs on an iowa farm. never would have imagined i would have this opportunity. if you're hoping for a refreshed
agenda, you would be sorely disappointed. >> i believe hope springs eternal. [ laughter ] >> he's almost certainly running, and i'm almost certainly retiring, so i don't care. tomorrow mitt romney will deliver his first speech since he very deliberately leaked the so-called news that he's thinking about the one thing he has never in his life stopped thinking about, running for president. "the wall street journal" ran an editorial titled "if mitt romney is the answer what is the question? we can think of a few worthy possibilities. the one that doesn't come to mind is who would be the best republican presidential nominee in 2016? rupert murdoch said i rather agree with "the wall street journal." romney had his chance he
mishandled. i thought romney was a terrible candidate. he did praise two other candidates, jeb bush and rand paul saying he liked both men "very much." but said this about rand paul i'm very impressed by rand paul's brain. i think he will do well enough to move the debate. i don't think he will win. i would be very surprised if he won the nomination. rand paul was in new hampshire yesterday where he made the social security disability benefits program one of his talking points. >> joining me now is kasey hunt
she covered mitt romney's 2012 campaign and is at the republican national committee's meeting in san diego. congratulations, kasey, on the tough duty in san diego. what's going to happen tomorrow? >> reporter: it's a rough assignment, lawrence. no we're expected tomorrow to hear from governor romney as you say. they're his first public comments since this news broke that he's considering another run. i have to tell you, this possibility is the talk of the halls here at the hotel outside of san diego. i'm picking up on a level of skepticism. romney has a very tight core of loyal, top advisers who are running this making phone calls, reaching out to top financial supporters. but beyond that there are a lot of questions about who else might join up? and a lot of them are saying you know we are happy that mitt is -- excuse me that governor romney is in the game. we like him a lot. but we're just not sure about
another run. and there are a lot of questions in particular about whether he can shake off that cares about people like me. the exit polls showed that most americans didn't think that romney could identify with them. while they thought that president obama could. at this point, the republican party has so many new faces to choose there, there's less appeal than there was in 2012. >> kasey, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i'm joined by jerry reid, and you eugene robinson. gene, going to that point that rand paul made about the disability system and he said everybody over 40 has back pain i guess i probably will have back pain when i'm over 40. but speaking for the over 40 group, what is the political wisdom of going after the social security disability program? >> i don't see it particularly
lawrence. you know this is a wonderful omen for columnists because, you know you've got rand paul. he's going to go after social security. you've got mitt romney running for president. what could go wrong there? i mean this is shaping up to be a wonderful year. >> i feel my role is to encourage them all. i'm not going to say a critical word about any of them because i want them all to run for president. romney was getting very positive comment in republican circles right up until the moment last week where he said i want to be president. as soon as he did that it's like they woke up from this fake dream that romney would be a great idea. >> remember when conservatives were touting the polls that showed that americans said if they could just do the election over again, they would love to have mitt romney. but what's interesting is i think a lot of the politics of people don't want reruns is it really true? there are a lot of politicians
who run multiple times. hillary clinton will be running a second time ronald reagan ran a couple times. the problem is a lot of those past candidates didn't run in the intense age of social media that we do now and in the intense internet age where everything you ever said gets rerun in a commercial and gets pounded at you. mitt romney does still have that 47% problem and that image problem and he's been so many mitt romneys, that you can play lots of those different iterations of mitt romney and that's going to be hart for him. i don't think his problem is that he's a rerun. because you know what? in our politics now, look at the list. >> then there's the problem of america hates losers. so they allow you, gene in the last few decades they'll reconsider if you lost during the primaries. they do not like to reconsider nominees. and i believe the last time they ever nominated a losing nominee
was a guy named adalay stevens in the 1950s. and that was a democrat by the way. >> it never quite worked out for him. american voters don't like to go for the candidate who actually lost in the general election. that generally doesn't have -- richard nixon did lose a general election and win one, so it can happen. look, if mitt romney has "the wall street journal"'s editorial page asking if he's the answer what's the question, if he considers getting into the place, i would say it's not promising for him. i would say he doesn't have a majority support in the establishment wing of the party. he's going to have to share that with jeb bush potentially others who might get in. and that's a problem for him, because if he doesn't have most
of the establishment wing what does he have? he certainly doesn't have the tea party wing. he is not going to win iowa and probably never will. so how does he get there this time? >> what he has, gene is "the washington post." by which i mean "washington post" poll of december 14th not that long ago. pith mitt romney way ahead when you put him with the other candidates. more than double jeb bush in second place at 10%. so joy, this is why i think romney among them all, has a perfectly reasonable case to make about why he should be getting into this. you're right, he's running on top of the polls more than double the next guy. >> and the thing is look there's only one job right now in terms of if you are a potential republican candidate in the 2015 primary. that is to be the not rand paul. you've got to presume that rand
paul is the most likely to be the populist interesting candidate that the establishment tries to destroy. he is to the republicans what howard dean was to the democrats. so the choices there are very few. but they're all essentially viable. you've got scott walker, who is the governor of wisconsin,. you have john kasich in ohio. you have jeb bush and mitt romney. so he has a one in four chance of being the establishment pick. and then whatever the populist and the tea party want they pick the nominee. >> that poll may say more about jeb bush than about mitt romney. and it may say more about the name bush than a lot of people are willing to admit. i think there is bush fatigue, even within the republican
party. if his name were other than bush, i think he would be doing better. so i think voters when they get to know scott walker and others may well turn to somebody else. but romney i'm not seeing it. >> in that washington post poll which they did at the same time when you take romney out, jeb bush goes into the lead. he goes up four points to 14. but rand paul stays right behind him there. and you're right, joy, rand paul is right behind jeb bush and it is probably where all those other single digit -- a lot of the other single digit candidates would consolidate, possibly including bobby jindal if we can encourage him to run. he's going to london next week to give a speech which he has already released. the text of the speech i guess he believes nothing can change on planet earth between now and when he gives this speech in london attacking among other
things hillary clinton, former secretary of state. >> i think if there is a candidate we can write down who is not nonviable, who is not ben carson -- >> don't say it. >> i am dreaming of a jindal-carson ticket. because that would be entertaining for me. it's all about that. but bobby jindal is an interesting case because in theory, he is the kind of candidate that the republican party wants and needs. he's a person of color who successfully ran statewide in a southern state. but he's so problematic. his delivery is so stilted and his denialism of his own first name is so weird, that it's just hard to imagine him as a credible president. >> gene he's doing what he's obviously trying to work his way up there into the single dinlgits in the polls. >> yeah you know, trying to get
from negligible to also ran. i see him on the wings of the first few debates, maybe. >> maybe some of them running for vice president, though. >> of course chris christie. i need him to run so that i -- my theory can be proved that he will flame out faster than rudy giuliani did. >> i think the hugging in the sky box picture of our future president, i don't think most americans want that guy in the white house. >> i love that you begin with the least of his sins. >> the hugging, that is true. i think that's just a stylistic motion, somebody with that bully boy personality. and doesn't care about the feelings of his own people in his state about his love of a team from another state. i don't know what the american people are quite interested in.
>> gene we've run out of time. if you say anything discouraging -- >> chris christie's colon, what is it to you, america? >> thank you both for joining me. coming up, europe's terror problem. a new cell discovered in belgium today. and businesses are trying to raise money and have raised money so that students can go to see the oscar nominated movie "selma" for free. and this the rewrite, what is the difference between regret and apology? should we just regret slavery or apologize for it? ♪ the nissan rogue, with safety
but -- i stop listening. [ applause ] i believe in free speech but people should behave themselves. i believe in free speech but we shouldn't upset anybody. i believe in free speech but let's not go too far. the point is the moment you limit free speech, it's not free speech. >> up next belgium police in a shootout with a suspected terror cell. [ kevin ] this is connolly cameron, zach, and clementine. we have a serious hairball issue. we clean it up, turn around and there it is again. it's scary. little bit in my eye. [ michelle ] underneath the kitchen table underneath my work desk we've got enough to knit a sweater. [ doorbell rings ] zach, what is that? the swiffer sweeper.
the threat level has been raised in belgium tonight after police killed two gunmen and injured another in a shootout during a raid on suspected terrorist cell. that raid is part of a series of searches by authorities for extremists who are believed to have traveled to syria. sources tell nbc news that these terrorists intended retaliatory attacks in belgium because of the u.s.-led bombings on the islamic state. belgian officials are also investigating reports that amedy coulibaly bought weapons from a dealer in belgium before holding up a kosher grocery store and killing four people last week. this picture shows the weapons police found in coulibaly's apartment after the attack. in spain authorities are investigating a possible terrorist cell in madrid after a spanish newspaper reported that amedy coulibaly and his girlfriend spent time together there around new year's day
before she went to syria. joining me now, laura haim and steve clemens, washington editor at large for the atlantic magazine and msnbc contributor. laura, what is the latest we know about this raid in belgium? >> what we know is that so far, according to our french sources, there's no connection between the belgium cell and what happened in paris last week. however, it's important to understand what is happening in belgium. belgium is a very important place for the french speaking foreign fighters. belgium, as you know, is a country where you can speak french you can move easily you can cross the border really easily with france and other countries. so it's a very very important place, and you have a lot of radicalized preachers in belgium. the most radical preacher the most radical french speaking preachers are there. so it has been really observed
by the french authorities and by all the people who are fighting terrorism. >> we have some numbers, 16,000 people from 80 countries who have traveled to syria to fight with islamic extremist groups. 930 from france 600 from the united kingdom, 550 from germany, 400 from belgium. 100 possibly from the united states. this presents an extremely difficult group of people to track. >> it just shows that many societies that consider themselves kafsafe, modern maybe even as inclusive societies, have a lot of flank exposed when it comes to fighters that have gone off to train with isis. it also says something about isis. isis is taking a lot of people in and isis is somebody without
writing today hasn't given up much territory and is continuing to expand its influence and areas under its control, despite tremendous bombing raids by the united states and its allies and a lot of pressure. so they've been able to synthesize and integrate these societies and train them and now they're sending them back to cause havoc and terror inside the countries they've come from. >> laura, there's debate now raging in france about free speech, where it is different than free speech, the principles of free speech exercised here in the united states. there are certain limitations, particularly in regards to anti-semitic speech. there's been an arrest of a comedian for anti-semitic remarks. how is that argument playing out in france now? >> this is the argument, what's going to happen and what's going
to happen with people who perpetrate anti-semitism, the problem in france is what the french are calling the emotional hangover. you don't know which direction this country is going to go. the country is really united. there was a lot of emotion, but nobody knows what is going to happen next especially in the suburbs near paris. we see in some of the clams, young people who are refusing to stand up for what happened last week in paris. they're saying now officially i'm not charlie. of course, it's the minority but it's happening and people are worried about this minority movement which begins in france. >> let's listen to what house speaker john boehner said today about the foiled plot of an
attack on the united states capitol. >> the first thing that strikes me is we would have never known about this had it not been for the fisa program, and our ability to collect information on people who pose an imminent threat. >> mr. speaker, do you know something we don't? apparently he was on social media talking about this. is there more things we don't know? >> i will let the whole story roll out there. but it was far more than just that. >> steve clemens, here we go again with exactly how much of a surveillance state we need to catch someone like christopher cornell, this young man who was actually, as one of the reporters pointed out, talking about this stuff on social media. >> look, a targeted fisa program going after criminals seems to make sense. the thing i think john boehner was trying to tuck under the rug is, isn't it great that all of this other data that they have
there is working. he didn't mention those things but i think by implication is that is what he was trying to say, that security comes with a very dense coverage of our society. and i suppose that i think that's a debate we need to continue to have. there are ways in which this young man in ohio could be caught without us giving up every element of our digital liberty and digital space that we have to live free and without observers watching everything we're doing. >> steve clemens and laura haim thank you very much for joining me tonight. coming up attacks on education in pakistan and what that means for the future of terrorism. and in the rewrite tonight, you'll be able to decide whether america should just regret slavery or apologize for it. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don't know exactly. kid: what if you're not happy? does he have to pay you back?
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just as we stand with the people of france at this difficult hour america will continue to stand with the people of pakistan as they build a future that is free from the threat of violent extremism wherever whenever, and by whomever that is perpetrated. >> in the spotlight tonight, extremism versus education. kids sometimes try to use lame excuses to stay home from school. this isn't one of them. momma, please don't send me to school the taliban will kill me. an 8-year-old boy said that to his mother in pakistan this week. the week when students first returned to the school in northwest pakistan where the taliban killed 133 students and
also killed staff members last month. a 15-year-old student, who was injured in the attack told the associated press he had one message for the taliban -- we are not scared of you. another student posted two photos on facebook. one of him and three classmates before the attack. and another after the attack with only one of those friends left alive. it was reported in "the l.a. times," the raid underscored the vulnerability of pakistan's schools, which have long been a battleground for militants who view the country's formal education system as western and un-islamic. joining me by phone from pakistan is kiran nazish.
kiran, thank you very much for joining us. when i read your article, i knew we had to talk about this. you say in the article, at least a thousand schools have closed down and possibly more. some of those schools have been replaced by religious schools that approach education in a very different way. would you explain what's happening in those schools, the new religious schools? >> that's right. well the citizens that we have it is more than schools, but we haven't been able to actually tell how many schools have been destroyed. there have been much more schools than a thousand. but one of the ways, one of the things that has happened is on
the side or in those campuses it depends on which part of pakistan, a lot of these schools have replaced -- where there is no government and these are usually -- [ indiscernible ] if you speak to police officials up north or down south, you -- most of them say that most of the suicide attackers or extremists, the militants that have been able to attack, three fourths of them are -- so they have a huge impact on
how -- [ indiscernible ] >> hasan, education is an incredible challenge in pakistan, even before you get this issue to 25 million children who should be in school not in school of any kind religious or otherwise in pakistan. and now we see that before we -- some of us maybe used to think it was dangerous for girls to go to school in pakistan based on the lesson of some but now we see it is dangerous for everyone it seems. >> absolutely. in terms of education budget in terms of supporting the educational infrastructure it has been quite obvious. and this new activity the sheer brutality of taliban attacks on schools creates a further challenge. but i must add that the taliban have been doing this for the
last many years. and it seems to me that the government in pakistan and the security services are perhaps looking the other way. they are ignoring this threat and in the meantime taliban expanded their influence through coercion, through oppression, and now they have come to a point where they can so openly go to an urban center, go to a major public school and pick out students who they wanted to kill. military officials, others. so this is not happened overnight, this has happened because of poor government control and poor government policy in regards to the education policy. >> and kiran, you said in your report in the lmplt amplt"the l.a. times" that when they destroy these schools and replace them with the religious schools, a lot of parents try to resist and set up their own schools and get threatened. and parents that don't want to do this ultimately end up
surrendering their sons to some of these religious schools. >> yes, absolutely especially in the regions where mahalia was from. even, you know having students sit on rocks instead of chairs. they have been threatened and they have been many many incidents where parents have been threatened by militants. essentially, after 2007 the pakistan military claimed that there -- the taliban presence was taken out. but there's still a lot of
militant element in suwat and other parts in the northwest in pakistan. and the tribals were living in the northwest side of pakistan do complain if they want to go to regular schools, they are either under threat or they have been destroyed. sometimes the buildings that are destroyed are not just destroyed buildings, but sometimes they have used as hideouts by militants or place where is pakistani military would find them. so schools and things have been used as places to fight s tos where militants would hide. >> thank you both for joining us. coming up six years before steve scalise made a speech to a white supremist group, that
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states senate in louisiana and ran for governor in louisiana and managed to get over 40% of the vote in louisiana. not despite having been a klan member but because of it. if the process, david duke seems to have earned the respect of republican louisiana congressman steve scalise, who has described himself as his words, david duke without the baggage. which could only mean david duke without the klan membership card. but with the same political positions. his republican colleagues in the house of representatives including speaker john boehner, have publicly accepted his completely unbelievable explanation as to why he spoke to a group david duke founded called the european american unity and rights organization. congressman scalise first said he didn't remember addressing the group. and then he said it was a mistake. and then he also said that he had no idea that david duke's group, of all groups is a white
supremist organization. steve scalise won his house seat in a special election in may of 2008. two months later, the house voted on and passed a resolution apologizing for slavery, something we know steve scalise was opposed to but we don't know how he voted on that resolution because it passed by voice vote no individual representative vote was actually recorded. we asked steve scalise how he voted but he hasn't responded to our request. we do know that when he was first asked to vote on apology for slavery, he said why are you asking me to apologize for something i didn't do and had no part of? i'm not going to apologize for what somebody else did. he was then a member of the louisiana legislature.
it was 1996 and the louisiana legislature was considering a resolution "to acknowledge the role of the state of louisiana and the people of the state in the institution of slavery to offer an apology to african-american citizens of louisiana for such role and to pledge a united effort to assure that all citizens enjoy the full blessings of liberty." steve scalise was a member of a committee considering that resolution in the legislature. it was offered by representative evonne dorsey. when he complained about being asked to apologize for something he didn't do representative dorsey explained to him that the apology was not a personal apology but an apology by the government of louisiana for its role in the establishment and maintenance of slavery in louisiana. steve scalise made a motion to kill the resolution but he lost
that vote. then representative david vitter, who was then a member of that committee, suggested compromise. he stated that apology is defined to include an implicit admission of guilt and stated that an expression of regret might be more appropriate. and so regret carried the day. the resolution that was passed by the louisiana legislature substituted the words, to express regret where it once said to offer an apology. david vitter is right. there is a difference between apology and regret. you can regret what you had for breakfast this morning. but if you do an egregious wrong to someone, at minimum, and i mean at minimum, you owe that person or those people an apology. i will now read to you some of the laws of the state of louisiana that were written specifically to maintain and
support slavery. they were adopted by the louisiana legislature. i leave it to you to decide whether the louisiana legislature should regret or apologize for what it did. louisiana law said a slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. the master may sell him, dispose of his person his industry, and his labor. he can do nothing, possess nothing, or acquire anything but what must belong to his master. the slave is entirely subject to the will of his master who may correct and chastise him, but not with unusually rigor or to expose him to the taker of loss or life or to cause him death. the slave is incapable of exercising any public office or private trust. he cannot be tutored, nor attorney, he cannot be a witness in civil or criminal matters except in cases provided for by
law. he cannot be plaintiff or defendant except when he has to claim or prove his free dom. free persons and slaves are incapable of contracting marriage together. the celebration of such marriages is forbidden, and the marriage is void. there is the same nullity with respect to marriages contracted by free white persons with free people of color. slaves cannot marry without the consent of their master and their marriages do not produce any of the civil effects which results from such contract. children born of a mother then in a state of slavery, whether married or not, follow the condition of their mother. they are consequently slaves and belong to the master of their mother. the louisiana legislature did
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today is the reverend dr. martin luther king jr.'s 86th birthday. the holiday celebrating his birthday will be monday. and the important film "selma" dominated for an academy award for best picture today. here is a sample of oprah winfrey's deeply moving performance. >> ain't that right? >> yes, sir. >> they say you're starting a fuss. >> i'm not here starting a fuss.
i'm just here to register to vote. >> aside the constitution's preamble -- do you know what preamble is? >> we the people of the united states in order to form a more perfect union -- >> how many county judges in alabama? >> 67. >> name them. >> "selma" teaches much more than the horrors of life in segregated south and the particular difficulties that african-americans paced ss faced in trying to vote. joining me is bruce gordon former president of the naacp.
bruce, you have formed a group to provide free tickets for kids students around the country to be able to go see "selma" in the theaters. how does that work? >> it works quite simply. it's easier to do this than to vote. a student shows up with a report card or a school i.d. and they're admitted. so far, 275,000 students across the country will see this film because of this initiative. >> so you have arrangements with the theaters that when the kid goes to the box office and shows this they're in? >> it's just that simple. >> wow, that is fantastic. and the cities i see listed here, chicago, dallas new orleans, oakland, boston nashville, new jersey new york philadelphia san francisco, sarasota, washington, d.c. there are so many lessons in this movie, so many things i think students will not find in their history books that do cover these periods.
it is one of those very important must-see films. >> 50 years ago, the voting rights act was past. that's multiple generations. students today, too many of them don't realize the sacrifices that were made that long ago, so that they can live the way they currently do. they need to understand that. and in an environment where that very act and law is under attack, these students need to know the sacrifices that were made by many generations ago to give them and their parents the right to vote. they have to understand that. every american needs to understand that. >> let's take another look at the movie and on dr. king's birthday. >> can we get a statement, please?
>> while rage and violence continues toward the unarmed people of selma, while they are assaulted with tear gas and batons like an enemy in a war, no citizen of this country can call themselves blameless, for we all bear a responsibility for our fellow man. i am appealing to men and women of god and good will everywhere white, black, and otherwise. if you believe all are created equal, come to selma. join us join our march against injustice and inhumanity. we need you to stand with us. >> bruce, what do you hope this will add to young students understanding of the man, of dr. king? >> i want them to understand that dr. king's generation was a generation of sacrifice. that they were prepared to lay their lives on the line, lose their lives in order to provide
sort of the basic rights of american citizenry. i think that young people are so far removed from that era, that they don't know and many of the freedoms that that generation made possible these young folks don't realize the sacrifices that were made so that they can be possible. i also think that young people need to understand that society thinks activism. these folks were active. they challenged the status quo. they were long-term thinkers. they say we were sacrificed today for a better tomorrow. young people need to understand it's not instant gratification or what can i get tomorrow it's what should i sacrifice and work hard on so that the future for me and my children will be brighter. >> "selma" definitely deserves the best picture nomination but what it is going to win is best song, just like they did at the
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