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there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. it begins. all right. good morning. thanks for getting up with us today. one week and counting before super bowl sunday morning, speaking of the super bowl in the news this morning, bill belichick dramatically changing the course of conversation or trying to about those underinflated footballs with a surprise press conference yesterday afternoon. lots of sound from that lots of details, lots of reaction still to come in the show. and steve king's summit in iowa gives us a remarkable sneak peek
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at what the republican presidential primary is likely to look and sound like. and also that nor'easter hitting the east coast yesterday may have been a coming attraction. hard to believe with two feet of snow on the ground in some places. and senator john hoeven will be here to talk about his push for the keystone pipeline. the first major confrontation between the new republican congress and president obama. for the first time ever this morning, a sitting u.s. president is making a second state visit to india. we'll go live there to find out what president obama is up to and what he said this morning. we begin today in iowa where the race for the white house all but officially began yesterday with one potential republican candidate after another making his pitch or her pitch to more than a thousand party activists. they were there at invitation of republican congressman steve king, a conservative firebrand best known for his controversial and inflammatory comments about
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immigration. that's a topic, immigration, that many speakers who are eager to make inroads on the right tackled head on. >> do we have an illegal immigration problem? can we fix it? of course we can. if you employ a person who is illegal, instead of getting a pass from the government you should get a criminal activity on your record because it's a crime. that was dr. ben carson a name you may not know but he's been doing well on the right in the last year certainly among the grassroots. another speaker got the strongest response from the crowd with this. >> there are 110,000 employees at the irs. we need to padlock that building. and put every one of those 110,000 on our southern border. >> you can't be republican from
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texas without talking more about the border. here is rick perry. >> we need to send a message to congress secure the border now, override this president's lawless executive order, restore law and order to our border with mexico, stand up to this face of evil and protect our citizens. and it was at that moment you're seeing some video here that about a half dozen dreamers these are young, undocumented activists who had been promising to disrupt the event in iowa yesterday, it was at that moment in rick perry's speech that they stood up in the balcony and began shouting in protest and were shouted down by the crowd. they were holding up signs that read deportable that's the term steve king had used to describe the undocumented college student who was invited to sit with the first lady at the speech on tuesday night. also on the list was scott
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walker, son of a preacher he talked about the power of prayer amid the death threats he said he faced during the 2011 state house protests over his collective bargaining work. >> you prayed for us. i got to tell you, on behalf of us our sons and alex we could feel the powers of those prayers. i couldn't tell you what a difference it made to us. >> later, chris christie tried to play up his social conservative credentials while stressing his victories in a blue state. >> i ran in new jersey as a pro life candidate in 2009 and i won. and i ran for re-election as a pro life governor in 2013 and won by 22 points. >> walker from wisconsin christie from new jersey both pitching themselves to the grassroots as republicans who can win in blue states and govern as conservatives and retain their popularity. that's part of the pitch they made yesterday. still, despite receiving
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invitations to yesterday's event, we should point out there was no mitt romney there was no marco rubio, there was no jeb bush, all declined to take part in the big event in iowa. in fact just this weekend, jeb bush actually offered a strong defense of immigration reform. >> we need to find a way, a path to legalize status for those that have come here and have languished in the shadows. there's no way that they're going to be deported. no one is suggesting an organized effort to do that. the cost of that would be extraordinary. >> mitt romney and jeb bush were not at the freedom summit yesterday, it might be indicative if you look at the crowd's reaction from this statement from donald trump. >> you can't have romney he choked. you can't have bush. >> here to talk about everything that happened in iowa yesterday we have our panel, david corn
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also washington bureau chief at mother jones. amanda turkal with the huffington post and jengenevieve woods making her "up" debut. so much we could talk about. i want to start on that last clip. forget donald trump himself. we know what he's up to. that reaction from the crowd to the mention of the name bush, i have been seeing polls and saying to mers i don't think the republicans are ready for him like the establishment thinks. >> there will be so many divides in the republican landscape and this primary. we saw two right here. one is between people who want bush, maybe a few established types who want romney, and the grassroots which don't care. a lot of focus groups have been done already republicans are telling the pollsters and consultants, we don't care about bush. that's old, that's in the past.
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there's big debate where you have jeb bush there saying nobody wants to deport all these people. excuse me, the people in iowa do. >> he's poking a stick in your eye basically on the eve of their big conference. >> they want to deport people. >> he knows what he's doing. that's not his base. he said you need to pick a candidate who can win the general election not the one who can get through the primaries. this is jeb bush's strategy to appear more moderate than the ted cruz and the rest of the ones who went to steve king's party. >> the problem is you have to get through the primary to get to the general election. it's not the first time he poked conservatives and people who disagree with him on immigration in the eye. he did this last year. this is the first time as a conservative that i've seen the base, broad base as excited as they are about a presidential election the i think it's because for the first time in a very long time there's going to be a choice and debate. it may get down to one or two candidates but early on people do want to see these new faces.
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if you don't have to go with the folks who have been around forever and you like fresh blood, they're out there. they are not people who are way over here or way over there. governor scott walker, governorlfvernor kassic may throw his hats in. >> the two most interesting to me were walker and christie. they want to be acceptable to the base they don't want to poke them in the eye but at the same time they want to get the establishment candidates. walker seemed to get a warmer response than christie but christie was building a lot. >> thehow much red meat does the base want? i still think that it's pretty extreme. it's pretty excessive and very nice to hear a governor say i can govern but there's an emotional component here. when rick perry gets up there and thumps the lectern and says
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let's deport this is a cultural issue. they're not looking for the problem solver. they're looking for someone to reflect back the intensity they feel about what they think is going wrong with the country what they don't like about obama and what they don't like about deportables. so i would be surprised if a practical-minded governor can come in there, even one who believes in the power of prayer or who is pro life and still capture that energy. >> this is where i think of scott walker i'm not endorsing scott walker but he's interesting. he did take on another group that conservatives are not always pleased with which is the unions. a lot of america doesn't think the unions are in the right. he took them on and beat them. he actually has won election he faced a recall. he's somebody who has shown i'm a tough guy, i'm a conservative but i'm willing to stand up. i think he's an interesting character. >> personality comes into it at some point. does he have the big presidential personality? it's never struck me. >> yeah. i've gone to wisconsin a few times and followed him around
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for the recalls, he wasn't what i thought he was going to be. he didn't get people as fired up but at the same time he has won three elections in the last four years, he did become the representing everything that progressive thought was wrong. he does get people excited and interested. he has that sort of midwestern where he pulls back but also careful. he doesn't make a lot of gaffes like rick perry and chris christie make but he also doesn't have that big personality that will get people excited. >> the other thing we didn't talk about, while this iowa thing is going on there's another important political gathering. the koch brothers. >> you're teasing. we'll have that. one other thing that i think is mentioning about yesterday, this struck me, especially hnwhen i thought about it lots of obama bashing, not a single mention of
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hillary clinton. hillary clinton likely to be the democratic candidate in 2016. it was still the past six, seven years. >> obama has made it clear he has two years left he intends to fight and gave people ammunition at the state of the union. i'm not surprised by that. it will start turning towards hillary, i think, as the campaign winds up. >> and i think call it obama opposition or hatred that's the core of the base. showing you can bash obama better than the next guy. were there any women at this event? >> carly fiorini. she actually took a swipe at hillary clinton. i'm being told sarah palin was there and said she might run for president. >> yeah. there's a 1 in a million chance. there's a chance. >> exactly. 1 in a million. that's the optimistic odds.
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my thanks to the panel. we'll see y'all later in the show. still ahead, are the olympics ever a good idea for the host city. we'll tackle that later. next the patriots go on offense as bill belichick dares the nfl to prove him wrong with science. stay with us. d stuff. i'm good. that's what i like to call the meta effect. 4-in-1 multi-health metamucil now clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line. ♪ ♪ i love my meta health bars. because when nutritious tastes this delicious i don't miss the other stuff. new meta health bars help promote heart health. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line. ♪ ♪ ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one.
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a nor'easter wreaked havoc on the east coast this weekend with the forecast of a more powerful storm to come. more on that later in the show. the weather is also managed to blow up the patriots underinflated football scandal with new england coach bill belichick turning to mother nature yesterday to defend his team. >> we all know that air pressure is a function of the atmospheric conditions. we found that once the balls,
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the footballs were on the field over an extended period of time in other words they were adjusted to the climatic conditions and also the fact that the balls, you know reached an ekqual equalibrium that they were done 1.5 pounds per square inch. i belive now 100% that i have personality and we as an organization have absolutely followed every rule to the letter. >> and nbc's ron mott is in glendale arizona for us this morning. so, bill belichick offered his explanation. he says the psi can vary.
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maybe we scuffed it up too much before the inspection and it came down. are people buying this explanation? what's the reaction to it? >> good morning. it was fascinating to watch coach belichick and this news conference yesterday. he went on 19 minutes talking about football and a whole lot about football science. i understand if you're a patriots fan, this may have helped the patriots case. they had a tough week with deflate-gate. if you're not a patriots fan, you are probably calling this junk science. wait a minute if the patriots balls, and they simulated the weather conditions from last sunday night's game if they saw a pound and a half difference, decrease in the football pressure inside the footballs, why didn't the colts balls not see the same drop? well, we'll just see if this is going to be the end of the saga. a lot of people think maybe coach belichick was trying to take the heat back from quarterback tom brady.
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people thought belichick threw brady overboard, and then brady came on to speak after that. coach belichick yesterday threw in my cousin vinnie references yesterday it was fascinating to watch. he says this is it. he's done talking about it. it's time for them to start thinking about the seattle seahawks, that's who the pateriot patriots are playing a week from tonight, so they want to focus on getting ready for the game. the nfl did come out friday and say it has interviewed about 40 people so far. they know the balls were measured before the game and that halftime they checked them again, some of those patriots balls were under the nfl pressure setting, so they were inflated again and then played the second half, and the patriots shut them out in the second half. we'll talk about football the pro bowl is set for tonight, some of the best players in the game tonight. >> thank you for reporting, once
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the balls were inflated properly, the patriots won 28-0. with the big game rapidly approaching, coach bill belichick appeared eager yesterday to put the scandal behind him and the focus on other things. >> so i just want to share with you what i learned over the past week. i'm embarrassed to talk about the amount of time that i've put into this relative to the other important challenge in front of us. i'm not a scientist. i'm not an expert in footballs. i'm not an expert in football measurements. i'm just telling you what i know. i would not say i'm mona lisa vito of the football world as she was in the car expertise area. >> there's that my cousin vinnie reference that ron mot it wast was
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talking about. so there is an explanation about how the footballs could have been slightly deflated during the first half. he said he is not a scientist but is this enough to put the story to rest? here to help us figure it out is carl banks, former giants linebacker, he also played for belichick when belichick was a top assistant for the giants. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> you know belichick, you have seen him up close in a way that almost none of us have. when he gives that press conference yesterday and offers that explanation, what's your reaction to what you heard? >> i believe him. i've known bill for the better part of 30 years or more worked for him for ten as a player another four as an employee. i know what he puts into this sport in preparing his teams. but, you know breaking the rules, you had the spygate thing. this doesn't seem like anything
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he would remotely be concerned with. and what he gave yesterday, i believe will cause the league to look at a broader sampling of how footballs are manipulated by quarterbacks, which they all do it because it's all about the grip and how they feel they can throw the football best but then the pressure and you can't dispute the fact that the atmosphere does have something to do with it. if you take a ball in denver a football, and kickers will tell you they get better range because of the atmosphere there. so there's so much more to look at. i think at the end of the day, the league is going to come back and say, you know what? these are things that happened during the course of a game across the league. because it was a little deceitful the way they got into this investigation. a reporter out of indianapolis said that jackson, the guy who
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intercepted the football said it felt very soft. >> immediately want to the sideline because he was so alarmed by this underinflated football. that turned out to not be true. >> he couldn't tell the difference. >> but the investigation goes. >> it sounded like in his press conference yesterday, belichick seemed to allude to a lot of issues that need to be addressed. one report that's been out there is the ravens john harbaugh, maybe alerted the colts and said we think this is happening. what you're saying there it would make sense to me if the colts had some kind of heads up and they told their players and said listen if you get one of those balls, bring it over here. here is the side judge, he picks the ball up every play. he can't tell the difference. >> this is the thing that we should really look at is because espn has their sports science department. they ran a special and pulled it because they showed that a deflated ball actually performs less effectively than one of
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regulation. and they pulled it off, obviously because they have their narrative that they want to continue to keep the news running on this. >> i mean that's the thing i keep coming back to. i'm trying to figure out the mechanics of this. if the balls werepproved by the ref, and somewhere between that and the game that the balls were deflated -- tfrnlgt doesn'tse >> it doesn't work. >> even if it was down a pound or two in terms of the impact of the game, that's a minor penalty. >> you heard all of these armchair experts, it's harder to fumble the ball. that's not true. you would think the ball is a sponge the way they're talking about it. it's not. this is -- this is a lot do more about the patriots than it is the football. i think it's safe to say there
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are a lot of people who don't like the patriots but when you break this down when the final analysis comes out, because the nfl has yet to say a single thing. what they got from bill belichick yesterday will make them examine this probably a lot broader because it is so difficult to do anything nefarious on the sidelines now. cameras are everywhere. >> right. >> if you're a kid eating a hot dog -- >> i would say the whole spygate thing is about how cameras were everywhere. there's two weeks between the conference championships and the super bowl. bill belichick was upset about the time he had to put into this. you saw brady out there looking uncomfortable in his press conference on thursday. maybe the time they spent on this, the emotions of brady, how severely does this impact the patriots? >> won't. during the course of the week, their preparation will be meticulous. this was one more thing they had to address, i'm sure you know
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knowing bill like i do he's incorporated all these things into it. even their testing, because he is saying to his ball boys and equipment managers, prepare the balls as if they're going to be part of a game we'll practice with them test them. i think they brought in a lot of outside experts to assist in that area. >> carl banks, any super bowl prediction? >> patriots. i'm in the tank for the patriots, but i'm unbiassed in my assessment of that press conference. i think they're free of anything bad. >> you're the best "up" guest so far. when bill belichick and tom brady took to the microphones on thursday, many thought it seemed like a "saturday night live" episode in the making. take a look. >> i came here today to tell you that i have absolutely nothing to do with deflating those footballs. that's all i have to say on the
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matter. period. but i still have several minutes left, so i'd like to spend the remainder of the press conference throwing my quarterback under the bus. i never really trusted the guy. someone that good looking and rich, you've seen "american psycho." any way, i love him like a son, more of an estranged son that i wouldn't trust around footballs. >> coach, one question -- >> i'm sure you have questions, but i'd rather leave them to the person who did it. tom brady. >> all right. up next trying to win the support of the koch brothers they're super secret gathering of rich republican candidates gets a little less secret. and today, president obama makes his historic tripe to india, speaking there only minutes ago. we'll go live to new delhi for the details and lear what the president had to say. keep it here.
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even more invisible than the invisible primary, maybe now slightly less invisible than it's ever been before. if you want to win the republican nomination for president will you take a big step in that direction if you can win over the koch brothers. more specifically their vast network of big money donors. in three would-be republican contenders are all speaking tonight on the same stage to an exclusive private gathering of rich conservatives organized by the koch brothers in palm springs. this is the annual winter meeting of the group that oversees the many conservative groups backed by charles and david koch. this is called the koch primary. ted cruz, rand paul, marco rubio will all be inthere tonight. last time it was held t took months for the press to find out it happened. this year media are not allowed inside but one journalist
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abc's jonathan karl has been allowed in to moderate the panel. last night john koch addressed the panel and said americans have taken an important step in slowing down the march towards collectivism, a reference to the midterm election but as many of you know we don't rest on our laurels, we're already at work and hard at it, in fact the work never ends because the struggle for freedom never ends. welcome to the koch primary. back at the table, we have david corn genevieve harris. rand paul ted cruz marco rubio. not sure rubio will run. ted cruz mr. government shut down, rand paul an interesting character. it raises the question in terms of the ideology, how important is it for the koches to win in
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2016? >> it's an interest to many conservatives that they want to win in 2016. i'm fascinated with the fascination with the kochs. they are -- yes, they're a rich family. they have these gatherings where they invite candidate n but that happens in forums all over the country. it happened in iowa over the weekend. >> but this forum could be worth tens of millions of dollars. >> there's a lot of money in the room. these are folks who are also activists, they are active in groups, they just don't show up in dinner parties and give money to take a picture with the president. they're active. >> but the people who come to the koch brothers retreats, not the people who go to cpac, these are, for lack of a better term, the politicrats. they are willing to give 10 million, 50 million, a lot of it goes to dark money groups.
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it happens on the left, too. there's the democracy lines. so they have an outsized influence that is not transparent. we at mother jones have published guest lists of the koch brother meetings in the past and got hands on transcripts and tapes of sessions. >> but all these people do come to cpac. >> these people don't. >> some of them do. >> many of them don't, they're behind the scenes getting a lot of money, we don't know where it's going. so, they are -- as i say, there are some liberal funders like this as well. overall it perverts the democratic system because they have so much influence, you don't know who they are, what their agendas are. so penetrating the vail is important. if the koch brothers want freedom, freedom, freedom, they should just put their cards on the table and say how they're going about trying to get all this freedom they want and let us know where the money is going and what the interests are, because you have the
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candidates -- >> the money is going in to a lot of political campaigns, it goes into political causes right of center type efforts. these are folks who think we should have a more limited government, that government does too chb. they think obamacare was a bad idea. i don't think their agenda is secret. >> yeah, let me -- okay. whatever we think of how they go about doing this the exact level of influence, we are talking about potentially serious money going to the campaigns. we saw it in 2012 you have one big donor behind you you can keep a candidate afloat. i'm interested. from a pragmatic standpoint where are the people in this meeting coming down? the most interesting run is mitt romney not invited. >> we had the story on mother jones talking about how key people in the koch brother network say they don't want mitt romney. >> why? >> they think he's a loser. they have quotes out there saying he's a crack candidate.
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back in 2012 the koch brother network, more or less sat out the primary, they funded anti-obama ads, efforts, but they didn't get behind a candidate. this time around they're thinking about trying to seed the money early for one candidate. that could be jeb, even though he wasn't there. i don't think we make a lot out of who was there and not there. david koch has been positive and upbeat on chris christie. he tried to get him in instead of mitt romney in 2012. they're trying to use their influence earlier than they had in the past. >> genevieve what david is say bgeing being saying mitt romney, that he has flirted with this run, do you think this will build to a level where mitt romney will reconsider the moves he's made? >> you have to. you have to look at the cards on the table and see if you have a
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winning hand. again, the fact that you have the variety of folks that you have speaking at the koch summit, rand paul, not the exact same thing as ted cruz or marco rubio rubio, and they may be willing to get behind somebody else they would like to win in 2016. nobody knows yet who that person or individual will be. but that's part of what the vetting process is. that's why you have people come in and speak. >> makes sense, though i'm not thinking ted cruz will do it for the republicans. still ahead, yesterday's big storm moving up the east coast may have just been a coming attraction for something bigger. this one will be a blockbuster storm. look at that weather map there. all the details ahead. kevin johnson, remember him? he plays hail to the chief in a new way, in what may be the best presidential introduction ever. we'll show you.
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others. some lighter than others. let's go through them and see what you have to say about them. here's a fun one. this is kevin johnson, you remember kevin johnson used to be point guard with the phoenix suns he's transitioned into politics. he's the mayor of sacramento california. he was at the white house and decided to give an mba-style introduction to president obama this is what that looked like. >> he's even been known to talk a little hoop and maybe even play a little hoop. in honor of that i thought i would give him an introduction befitting to a star. standing 6'1" 180 pounds southpaw from columbia university via honolulu the point guard of pennsylvania avenue the 44th president of the united states of america, barack obama!
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>> he also played the music they play for the chicago bulls before the player introduction. when you're president, these are the kinds of dreams you get to live out. >> the interesting thing, obama has a pretty high cool quotient. we've seen that in the white house at events like this. i wonder if the next candidates next president has to sort of find a way to match that. hillary will have problems doing that, as will jeb bush. so i don't know if the next president will be as cool. but george w. had a cool quotient, bill clinton was the first cool president since jack kennedy. i don't know what's going to happen. >> i guess the difference in terms of cool the difference with obama, he never had those visible idiosyncrasies that were so easy to parody. george w. bush would do that with the language. >> who wouldn't want that kind
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of introduction. that sounds great. >> this is a headline from the hill newspaper, obama/clinton tensions build over e-mail lists ahead of 2016. apparently hillary clinton's camp wants the obama e-mail list. millions of supporters and donors there. some obama backers say it's made up of people with personal loyalties to the president. these e-mails you get, we all get 26,000 of these a day. that trick where it makes it look like it's coming from barack obama or joe biden, people figured it out six years ago. >> really? >> sorry, david. no santa claus either. i don't know. we're going to have a lot of stories like this as the democratic party sort of becomes hillary's over the next two years. >> obama sort of always had his own structure, many would have liked to have seen it go through
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the recognizing what will happen when there's no more obama. that's been concerning people for a while. a lot of democrats will be upset if obama doesn't help out hillary or whoever it is this will. >> this will be a test on whether or not he wants her to win. >> there's no test that he wants her or another democratic to win. he has been saying what he wanted to see over the next 15 years. this is from nbcsan, a california law making it harder to skip vaccinations. fewer california parents opted out of vaccinations last year. there's that measles outbreak that started in disneyland last month that hit 78 people it may be a wake up call for people in california, maybe people outside california as well. not that -- it's smartd to get to
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get vaccination vaccinations. >> yeah. >> there are children who are too young. >> this is an interesting ideological issue. at the koch brother retreat, where he talks about freedom, you want the freedom not to vaccinate what does it mean for the state to tell you -- >> versus the freedom to be healthy. >> i'm sure that will be a topic at the koch summit. >> i don't know. >> that's where libertarians and sometimes they don't work with the rest of civilization. you're living next door to people go to school people. >> we broeteathe the same air. we'll see you later in the show. still to come making sense of the keystone debate what will happen after the president follows through on his veto threat. north dakota senator john hoeven joins us next. and the president's very
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in a few minutes we will dive into one of the most contentious issues in american politics right now, the keystone pipeline. will president obama approve it? if so, when? first we want to turn to where the president is right now, in india. he arrived there this morning for a three-day visit, meeting this morning with the indian prime minister in new delhi. >> part of the reason we're such natural partners is because we share values as former colonies as the two largest democracies in the world. as entrepreneurial nations. as people who believe in the freedom, dignity and worth of all individuals. >> this is no ordinary trip. there's extra significance to this trip to india for the president. we'll tell you all about it with a live report from india. that's a bit ahead in the show.
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jacobs from the des moines register and benji sarliny sarlin. you were in the room yesterday, benjy, we played a clip from ted cruz all of those candidate there's there yesterday who connected the best with that room? >> there was a pretty clear consensus on this one. scott walker really impressed a lot of people. he was one of the candidates who intrigued a lot of republicans heading in but he hasn't had the same amount of attention as a romney or bush. he connected well. he gave an extended retelling of his battles with public sector unions in wisconsin, talked about braving hoards of protesters during that high-profile national fight. in general he knocked it out of the park was the impression. >> jennifer i'm curious about chris christie. so, he went out there. he was sort of the surprise person to appear because, you know jeb bush wasn't there. mitt romney wasn't there.
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he is sort of the established guy who showed up at the event for grassroots conservatives. he tried to make the case look i'm as conservative as you but i can win in blue states i with win states republicans can't win. were they buying that at all? >> yeah. just the fact that chris christie showed up at all telegraphed his commitment to iowa and they noticed that. he was -- it was almost like he was trying to say, look i'm going to try to come and let you guy knows me personally. possibly he sees a path in iowa. he was trying to say i'll let you guys see somebody other than my youtube greatest hits. the republicans i talked to didn't say they're putting him in their top three quite yet, but they gave him points for showing up. >> so he did sort of maybe lay the groundwork there. jennifer, i'm curious about this. we played the clip earlier in the show. donald trump shows up as the full donald but at one point he says look, we don't need romney. he's lost. we don't need another bush. and the room erupts into cheers
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at that line. we don't need another bush. is that indicative of the attitude jeb bush will run into? is there that much resistance to him? >> this was a really hard right crowd. this was a lot of constitutional conservatives, a lot of religious conservatives. it does not reflect the entire republican caucus electorate here in iowa. for that particular crowd, that really showed how they feel about some of the establishment candidates, they're not looking that direction. >> it was -- i've been curious, because jeb bush's poll numbers, we've looked at them they've not been as impressive as some people expected they might be. benjy, a lot of the talk heading into this event had to do with steve king steve king put it together, he made some controversial, inflammatory comments about immigrants. a lot of talk was the risk some of these candidates were taking
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associating themselves with him. do you think there was any damage done to any of these candidates by attending this? or did they thread that needle well? >> well immigration activists are working to make sure that every hispanic voter in the country knows exactly who stood with steve king and who has avoided him. they are out there in force. they interrupted multiple speeches. and they're very aggressively trying to tie candidates to steve king. now, on the flip side king will not let candidates quietly avoid him. in the subtle dig or not so subtle dig at mitt romney and jeb bush who skipped the event, he mentioned that he thought the future president of the united states would be on the stage that day. i talked to steve king the other day. he was talking about how it's important for him to try to set a general agenda. some of the promises candidates make in the early state of the campaign, they follow through to the general election and possibly the white house. he will be tough to avoid. >> thanks to jennifer jacobs and
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at all to do with the patriots. a different story out of boston. we begin in india, as we mentioned this is day one of the president's historic visit. no sitting president ever made a second trip to that country before. chris jansen joins us live from new delhi. it's not that often i get to say joins us live from new delhi. tell us about what went on this morning? >> it's not that often i get to be on your show banner day all around. an important day here. it's been a busy one. look, i think it's worth setting the stage if you'll let me for a minute. you will see how incredibly surprising it is to be where we are. for almost ten years, prime minister modi couldn't get a visa to get to come into the united states because he was a regional leader at a time when there were deadly riots. more recently the united states had arrested an indian diplomat
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t caused an uproar. a lot of hard feelings. the fact these two men have found what is called a close personal chemistry is remarkable. we saw it first thing this morning. the president gets off air force one, breaking protocol. the prime minister met him there. they hugged. they hugged later at the press conference issued a joint statement of friendship. the real question and this always goes around diplomatic circles, can personal relationships like this translate into real action? certainly the red carpet was rolled out for the president today. but then at the news conference we found out they had come to an agreement on a nuclear power deal. there are a number of other important things they're going to be discussing going forward one is terror. there's a lot of concern about isis. a lot of concern about terrorists who are finding safe haven in neighboring pakistan. also trade. a bunch of american ceos are here in india. there will be a joint
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roundtable. and the question is how much further can they open up the market here? this is 1.25 billion people who live here. it's on its trajectory to surpass china as the most populous country in the world. the implications are huge. we are also waiting for a state dinner that will happen tonight. and this is just day one of the three-day trip to india. steve? >> nbc's chris jansing, you are welcome on the show any time. >> thank you. to what might be waiting for president obama when he gets back the senate working late into the night on thursday as republicans aggression vvely moved to push through their first priority for the new congress. >> we're working hard to pass the kind of serious job creation ideas you deserve. one you've probably heard about is the keystone jobs bill. president obama will soon have a
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decision to make. will he sign the bill or block good american jobs? >> that's joni ernst talking up the keystone pipeline project in her state of the union response on tuesday night. president obama is vowing to veto the keystone bill that republicans, with some democratic help are getting ready to send to him. his objection is procedural. the obama says he wants to make the final decision on whether to go ahead with the project. when it comes to the project itself, the president remains undecided, as he has for years now. the president is in a political bind in this issue. his basis split. environmentalists are against keystone, some unions are for it. it looks like public opinion is on the side of keystone as well. the new nbc poll out this week shows shows supporting the pipeline is a 2/1 margin
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however some say they don't know enough about the issue to have an opinion. federal agencies have less than two weeks to submit comments on the project to secretary of state john kerry. so what is the president going to decide? when will he finally break his silence? joining me now, republican senator john hoeven from north dakota. thanks for joining us. welcome to the show. >> good to be with you, steve. >> let's game this out, if we could. you guys will put this on his desk, he said he will veto it. i didn't see any indication that you would get the two-thirds to override that veto. do you think there's a chance of that? >> we're trying to build bipartisan support for the bill. first order of business is to get it passed see what he does. if he vetoes it get the two-thirds or attach it to other legislation he's willing to sign. >> the other leg of this he
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says this is a procedural objection on his part still no decision forthcoming from him on whether he supports the project. you have that review that supposedly is wrapping up soon. what do you think the prospects are that the president himself at some point in the next few months says okay we've done the review, i now support the project? >> i'm skeptical that that will happen. it's been more than six years that this project has been under review, which is why we're advancing legislation. but you raise a good point. he needs to make a decision. so he should go forward, make that decision. i think the evidence based on all the reports he's put together, support positive affirmative decision. but we're going to move forward on the congressional track as well. >> do you think it's politics that have been behind his indecision this far? >> it is. you have got special interest groups that are opposed to it. as you pointed out earlier, the american public is strongly supportive of the project. >> let me ask you about some of the objections to this. there's sort of two tracks on
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this one is environmental. one more economic. let's start with the environmental. the idea of this big pipeline that will be running, connecting canada to texas through the united states. we have seen disastrous oil spill episodes in the past. we see how devastating they can be ecologically. if there were a break, spill, breach in this pipeline there would be pretty significant environmental damage. does that concern you? >> it's very important we do everything we can to make sure that these pipelines are safe and that the safety features are built into them that there's response plan if there is any kind of spill, so that it's fully remediated. but remember what's the alternative? if we don't build this vital infrastructure, the safest most cost effective way to move energy we are forced to rely on other methods. in the environmental impact statement for this project, if the pipeline is not built, the alternative is 1400 railcars a
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day on our already congested rail lines. we have got to find the best way to do it make sure we build in safety features. >> another criticism is -- critics of the pipeline proposal say advocates are overstating the economic impact. you see joni ernst saying this is the keystone jobs bill. you have the review from the state department that says there would be 42,000 jobs that would be supported by construction of the pipeline. but basically all of those jobs would disappear within -- after the construction phase, one to two years, leaving 50 permanent maintenance jobs on it. they're saying there's a very negligible negligible impact there. >> jobs is one part of it. the other part is this is vital energy infrastructure that we need to get to the energy security plan for this country that people want so we don't continue to rely on i'll from the middle east. together with canada we can produce our own energy truly become energy secure.
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and the other thing is lockok what's happening at the pump because we're producing so much more, prices are coming down at the pump which is saving americans billions of dollars. it's about energy security job creation and other benefits. >> on the job creation fund the president in the state of the union address, he said his own infrastructure plan, his own proposals would kate 30 times as many jobs as we're talking about with keystone. do you have an interest in supporting additional investment in infrastructure along the lines of what the president outlined? >> we want to pass a six-year highway bill. long-term highway bill as soon as we can, this session, this year, we're committed to doing that. that's an area where we can get together and get the job done. let's not proeclude private investment.
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as bills work their way through the senate amendments are tacked on. there was controversy over climate change. democrats tried to put an amendment on saying human activity contributes to climate change. the democratic one said human activity significantly contributes to climate change, you also did one taking the word "significantly "significantly" out. why did you do that? >> was about balance, trying to find support for the bill. that's what we're trying to do, get something that democrats and republicans like to get the bill forward. we have to address these important issues for the american people, that's what we're trying to do. >> do you personally believe that human activity significantly contributes to climate change?
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>> the climate is always changing. we want to develop the technology implement the new investments, technology, in infrastructure for a more secure future. we acknowledge the climate's changing. it's what you do about it. how you approach it. >> all right. senator john hoeven appreciate you taking a few minutes. thank you. thank you. still ahead, the drop kick murphies have a message for wisconsin governor scott walker. next john boehner diplomat. his risky move inviting the israeli prime minister to visit behind the president's back. [audible safety beeping] ♪ [audible safety beeping] ♪ the nissan rogue, with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is your
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more about president obama's tax plan whether it has any chance of passing with the republican-controlled congress. we want to turn to a different political dispute. one that could drag on until the spring and should it reach a boiling point damage the united states relationship with israel. with huge ramifications for iran and its nuclear ambitions as well. it's also here at home causing a brand-new and maybe unprecedented fissure between the president and republicans in congress. it began this week the day after the state of the union when john boehner invited benjamin netanyahu to address a joint session of congress in march, but boehner did this without first consulting the white house. >> i don't believe i'm poking anyone in the eye. there is a serious threat that exists in the world and the president last night kind of papered over it. and the fact is that there needs to be a more serious conversation in america about
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how serious the threat is. from radical islamic jihadists and the threat posed by iran. >> the white house promptly declared president obama will not meet with netanyahu during that u.s. visit because he doesn't want to influence israel's elections held two weeks later. this is a matter of standard protocol when it comes to dealing with international leaders. that's not the only reason behind the snub according to haaretz, obama is furious that netanyahu is encouraging congress to allow sanctions against iran. as we mentioned on yesterday's show, the newspaper quoted a senior u.s. official as saying he spat in our face publicly and that's no way to behave. netanyahu ought to remember that president obama has a year and a half left on his presidency and there will be a price. boehner seems to have his own
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motives behind the invitation. when asked about the president's decision not to meet with netanyahu because of the pending election, his spokesman said our president rolls out unconstitutional executive actions on a whim and now he's concerned about protocol? is this whole dispute about israel and iran or trying to pick a public fight with the president? what is in all of this for netanyahu? could this trip help him win re-election re-election? i'm joined once again by dave corn, the huffington post's amanda terklen and roger cohen. roger, thanks for joining us. let's start with the basic question this idea of netanyahu, his party will be facing election in israel. the times on this is close to the election. is this the kind of thing that would boost a prime minister's
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election ability? >> i don't think so. it's a close-run election. netanyahu has been in power for nine years on and off. there's a shelf life in any democracy for a leader. there's an incredible challenge from the head of the labor portity. to come to the united states as an it'ssraeli leader and not meet with the american president, a lot will be shaking their heads saying this is provocative. >> there's been tension between the obama white house and netanyahu, they've not been getting along. >> not at all. it's a near toxic relationship. the president has been irritated in the past by prime minister netanyahu, never before has netanyahu insulted the president in this way. i think it is an insult to arrange a trip to the united states without consulting the white house, given the degree of support over the years that president obama has given to israel. he's been a strong supporter of israel. i think this is gratuitous and it smacks to me of misjudgment.
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>> in terms of the domestic side of this john boehner making this invitation the white house not knowing, what do you make of that? >> it's -- to be rhetorical here is the president trying to negotiate a tough deal with iran in order to we may not go to war are iran or israel doesn't have to bomb iran to prevent nuclear ambitioning ings from going too far. in the middle of that others are saying we're going to try to throw a monkey wrench in the way, there's been small but encouraging signs of progress. here in america, the defining line in politics has been obama, do you hate him or like him? the republicans have been obstructionist and oppositional and defined their party by being more or less anti-obama. here comes the prime minister of israel, he's picking a side in this by joining with boehner and
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this public you know stunt. it's bad all the way around. >> i want to play than sisnancy pelosi weighing in on this. she had some critical comments. >> so when the speaker did this is anything a surprise around here? no. it's huberous to say i rule i'll decide. without any sensitivity to the fact that an election is taking place within two weeks. >> typically when it comes to israel congress speaks with one voice. nancy pelosi doesn't generally say one thing, and john boehner saying something else. i can't remember seeing something like this. >> that's why this is creating a bhit bit of a mess for u.s./israeli relations. sure, president obama only has a year and a half left in office
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but there's no guarantee that republicans will be in power or in the presidency in 2016. if netanyahu is re-elected what is this doing to the relationship with democrats who could be in control? this doesn't -- if i -- i'm not living in israel but this is the first time that the doors of the white house will be closed to the israeli prime minister. that is a bit of a slap in the face and does reflect huberous. >> i think it's dangerous to do this dangerous. israel depends on the support largely of american jews. and they have tended to support israel and his party. but most american jews are democrats and liberal. he's siding with the forces that are trying to embarrass and obstruct barack obama. >> if benjamin netanyahu, if his party were to lose the upcoming elections, i imagine some would
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be privately excited about it at this point. how would that change the trajectory of the next two years? >> i would say the white house would be privately very excited. >> maybe publicly? >> maybe even publicly. i'm sure behind the scenes it's trying to do what it can. if you had a new leader, say the views closer to that of the private views of president obama, that could make a substantial difference. on the basic question of iran, prime minister netanyahu keeps saying there has to be complete dismantlement of the nuclear program in iran. that's why he has come into congress to make that point again. if you say that you're arguing really for war. there's not going to be complete dismantlement. you can't somehow take out the heads of iranian scientists the knowledge acquired.
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the president is trying to limit this program that's only compatible with civilian use in iran. he's been serious about that. for prime minister netanyahu to dismiss what the president is doing, as encourages as iran to become a nuclear power i think is extraordinary. >> one more headline this is the former israeli ambassador to the united states michael orin now a politician in israel, he came out yesterday asaying netanyahu should cancel that speech in march. >> i think to do that now would make him look really bad. he has tied himself to the republicans and john boehner who are trying to obstruct this deal, which is aimed at preventing war against iran. >> all right. my thanks to roger cone of the
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we're back with our panel, david corn of mother jones, amanda terkel, also back with us, genevieve wood of the heritage foundation. this is our catching up segment. a lot of headlines people are talking about across the country and the world in some cases this weekend. some fun, some deathly serious. let's get to them and see what you have to say about them. here's a fun one, i think. the drop kick murphys, a boston-based band they order scott walker to stop using their music. he sent them a message, we literally hate you. they tweeted this latest rebuke
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of him. walker successfully slashed collective bargaining in 2011 in wisconsin. we get in every campaign. >> tom petty went after john mccain. >> it's almost always after the republicans. >> yes. >> the dropkick murphys have done this before with wisconsin politicians. they say it's like a white supremeist coming out against gangster rap. >> and i remember when buchanan was using "start me up" by the stones. everybody was going, yeah yeah. i was like are you listening to these words? >> "born in the usa" and the reagan campaign adopted it. what else do we have? the "l.a. times," 2016
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democratic convention to be held right after gop gathering. so the dates are set now. democrats will go late july july 25th. republicans a week earlier. this is the trend for years had to been to go later and later. the republican convention will be in cleveland. we don't know if the democrats will be in brooklyn philadelphia or columbus. anyone want to make a wager on where it ends up? i think brooklyn. >> i think brooklyn. >> brooklyn. >> i'm thinking philadelphia. i feel bad for columbus. i don't think anyone thinks it's going to be in columbus. they moved things up i think because of the money. >> they get access to the matching funds much earlier. >> and they're getting more boring as conventions. ary not what they used to be. let's have them earlier. >> you don't think clint eastwood was fascinating? >> definitely fascinating? >> what were you watching? >> what was he thinking? >> good question. >> he came back to get his movie nominated for an oscar. didn't ruin that career.
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this is american officials meet with cuban dissidents. this is the highest ranking u.s. diplomatic official to visit cuba in almost 40 years. they met on friday with seven leading dissidents in cuba. cuban leadership criticizing the meeting saying the dissidents were not legitimate cuban civil society, but this is interesting. you open up relations a bit, you get top american officials meeting with political dissidents in cuba now. >> this is great. that's what they promised to do. i've met in years past bloggers and writers down there who were imprisoned and harassed. i think they'll have trouble keeping the lid on the more things open up. >> i hope david corn is right. i don't know that he'll be right. but i hope. >> we'll see how the cuban leadership responds. >> some people were critical of what obama did, saying now america may be nicer to the cuban regime. >> the first gesture is it's not the regime we're talking to
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it's the dissidents. time for one more., coach k. goes for his 1,000th career win, duke coach mike krzyzewski could be the first ncaa coach to win 1,000 games. they play st. john's in madison square garden at 2:00 p.m. it's an inkredcredible career but everybody out there i know loves to hate duke. self included. >> one piece of advice, make sure the ball is inflated properly. >> on that note i'll wrap up catching up. still ahead a summer owe olympics faceoff is underway but do they amount to anything? joe stiglitz will be here to tell us next. ? i love yoplait! the other one is chobani. really. i like this one better. yoplait wins again! take the taste-off
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he declared that the american economy has recovered. >> it has been and still is a hard time for many. but tonight we turn the page. tonight, after a break through year for america, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. [ applause ] >> so in his state of the union address, the president laid out a new and ambitious agenda. he called for infrastructure investment, for putting money back into medical research and for major revisions to the tax code. >> let's close the loopholes that lead to inequality by allowing the top 1% to avoid paying taxes on their accumulated wealth. we can use that money to help for families pay for child care and send their kids to college. we need a tax code that truly helps working americans trying to get a leg up in the new
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economy and we can achieve that together. together. >> and you can probably tell from the look on john boehner's face that this proposal is dead on arooiflt in the republican controlled congress. this is a battle going on for years. democrats and republicans fighting over who should shoulder the burden of taxes. president obama is fighting the fight any way. here to discuss the president's mission, columbia university professor, senior fellow at the roosevelt institute, joseph stiglitz. let me ask you about the president's declaration of economic recovery. obviously that's a political message he's been wanting to send. is that accurate? >> i guess i'm saying it's half accurate. we're clearly so much better than we were when president obama took over from president bush. we created in the last 52 months something like 11 million jobs. during the clinton administration, the big cheer was 8 million jobs in four years. we did better than that.
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this is impressive. they're private sector jobs. on the other hand most americans are not feeling the recovery. and the president said that. median income is lower than it was a quarter st.ry ago. this was true before the crisis and 95% of the gains in the first three years of recovery. >> even people who are part of that 11 million getting new jobs, it's not the jobs they want to have not the pay they want to have. >> incomes have stagnated in the middle. 93% of the gains in the recovery went to the top 1%. yes, it's a recovery but unbalanced recovery. >> so the president laid out a tax proposal in his state of the union. we talk about republican congress they were clearly not interested in this. things like raising the capital
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gains tax, using that revenue to do middle class tax relief. let's take the politics out of it and look at the proposal the president laid out. the problem you diagnosed in the economy what the president laid out this week would it address that? >> it would address it. it would move the ball forward. but it's not enough. let me give you an example. one thing he said that was really very good was the elimination of this technical provision, step up of basis, which allows rich americans, basically to escape taxes on their capital gains for their life past them on to their children and then their children only have to pay capital gains from the time that they inherit it. so, if they sell it right after, no taxes. right after though inherit, no taxes are paid. this is grossly inekquitable. 0 0 20 years ago, i fought to get rid of it. we didn't succeed.
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he talked about raising the capital gains tax. the question is why should speculators on land for instance pay lower taxes than somebody who works for a living? so he's proposed raising it, but not raising it to the same level as those facing workers. i can't see any reason why you shouldn't be taxing those capital gains at least as much. after all, if you tax land more is the land going to go away? you know same thing with oil. it's not like economists are saying there's no supply supply-lactitity. >> you wrote that our stupid politics are holding back the american economy and the world economy what do you mean by that? >> one of the reasons the economy has been so sick so weak is that the typical mesh doesn't have the spending power. i mentioned that income in the
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middle is lower than it was a quarter century ago. if they don't have income and they face a lot of insecurity, the president emphasized the role of insecurity, they won't be spending. if they're not spending firms won't be investing. so we'll get a weaker economy than we otherwise would have. if we had the kind of aggressive policies to create a shared prosperity, it would both create a fairer society and it would create more prosperity. >> do you have any optimism with the dynamic, strong republican congress, do you have any optimism for the next few months? >> no, i don't. there's so many other things we could do to stimulate the economy if we tax pollution t would induce firms to invest more to counter -- to reduce the pollution, to reduce the carbon emissions. that's something where you get two for one. you get tax revenue, you induce
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firms to create a more environmentally sound economy, and at the same time you get more economic growth. because they're going to be investing that will be creating jobs, you get three for one in a current situation where we have underemployment. >> joseph stiglitz interesting ideas, also the reality of politics can be depressing for everybody. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. still ahead, one prod boston yn ian trying to keep the eolympics out of his state. and look at this storm ready to hit the east. we'll talk about that in a minute. but for people with copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved
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brew winter storm brewing now. janel klein joins us from boston. what can they expect there today? >> it will really hit hard here steve. worst on the east coast than here. we are starting to see the first signs of this big storm here in chicago. just a few hours ago, it was calm. temperatures in the 30s. in the last couple hours, the storm has picked up. temperatures dropping throughout the day. we'll see temperatures here in the upper teens. and wind gusts up to 30 miles per hour. only about an inch of snow here in the chicago area maybe a little bit more south of the city. but the bigger story is that this storm will start now to move east and as you said really kick off what could be a major storm in the northeast and in new england by tomorrow. we are going to see this system move through columbus through pittsburgh, and then by tomorrow morning start to see states
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along the coast really get hit. we'll see a foot of snow in many places, and wind gusts up to 60 miles per hour in places. so, this really will be a significant storm. the meteorologists here at the weather channel calling this a crippling storm. so people on the east coast encouraged to get supplies and be prepared for what could be a very difficult day tomorrow. >> all right. janel klein, thank you very much. look out, new england. looking at that weather map, they'll get hit hard. people from my homestate are wondering why in the world anyone would olympics. why people may not be as excited about hosting the olympics as they used to be. ♪ the bold nissan rogue, with intuitive all-wheel drive. because winter needs a hero.
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olitocrat . the city of boston massachusetts was chosen earlier this month by the u.s. olympic early e.r. thl earlier this month to host the 20
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2024 olympic games. but resistance is brewing among bostonians themselves. they rarely ever turn a profit for the host city. london spend more than $15 million on the games in 2012. sochi shelled out as much as $51 billion just two years later. promises of tourism and economic development haven't always lived up to the hype. london and beijing saw tourism decline during the month they hosted the olympics. a new poll out from wbr found 51% of those city residents surveyed support the city's olympic bid. a whopping 75% want to see the issue on the ballot. a ballot initiative could come as early as november. boston's democratic mayor, marty walsh, said tuesday he will not stand in the way of a vote but boston's mayor is facing growing resistance from many constituents. many bostonians are saying not
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here in my backyard. here we have andy zimbelist. author of "circus maximus." christopher dempsey is also here. chris, i saw the news boston got to represent the united states in this bid. i was excited. i was imagining the whole world's eyes being on boston that would be great for the city. why don't you want that? >> look steve, the polls show that fewer than half of people in greater boston are excited about the games coming to town. i think people here understand that massachusetts needs to think big but it also needs to think smart. when you look at the experience of prior host cities it hasn't left them with good outcomes. people here want their civic leaders focused on education and health care and improving their day-to-day lives in massachusetts, not on a three-week event that's ten years away and really benefits others, not the people that live here. >> andy, you've looked at this and we put some of the
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statistics up there in the opening about the money that goes into putting these things on. in terms of the return are there benefits? there has to be some benefits from cities for hosting these. >> i think the main benefit is there's a feel good benefit that lasts for 17 days and maybe trickles on for a couple of weeks after that. but the economic benefits have not been forthcoming. there's very little evidence especially since 1984 in los angeles and 1992 in barcelona, very little evidence that you get increases in tourism in the short run or in the long run or that you get increases in trade or that you get increases in foreign investment. there's a lot of hype about that. the proponents always claim that it's going to happen but the empirical evidence isn't there. >> do we know why that is? it's such a great opportunity to market a city. you have people looking at all of your great landmarks, people raving about how it is. do we know why it doesn't connect? >> so i think most of the people who are able because of their income level and their knowledge
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level, age and interested in traveling to boston already know about boston. they don't need olympic events to travel to boston. businesses aren't going to invest in a city just because they hosted the olympics that doesn't make sense, or to begin trading with the city. and it's also possible that the optics would be bad. it's possible there would be terrorism, it's possible that the weather would be very hot and very humid. it's possible that there will be lots of news about congestion on the streets. not necessarily good news is going to come out of it. but again the studies looking back decades just don't show an economic kick from it. >> chris, are you guys trying to put -- i understand if this referendum referendum, whether it passes or not just the fact of it being approved could derail boston's bid for having it happen. are you trying to get guys to back off a little bit? >> our goal has always been to provide a voice to people in massachusetts that have real
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concerns about these games so we're looking at a citywide ballot initiative statewide ballot initiative or direct lobbying to the ioc members to let them know there are very mixed feelings about hosting the games here. >> what are you hearing from the leaders of the city? what are they telling you? >> the boosters have made a lot of promises and talked a lot about the benefits but haven't talked very much about the costs. it's our goal to really tell both sides of the story and make sure that all of the facts are on the table. we think if the people of massachusetts have that information in front of them they're going to side with us. >> andy you say you look at all that empirical evidence that you put out there. i guess the question is are cities getting wise to this? when you look at the bidding process, are we seeing fewer cities that put bids in now? are there cities that just assume this is an automatic home run saying you know what maybe not worth the trouble? >> it's been a very large problem for the last five maybe eight years. the ioc has seen decreasing
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numbers of cities wanting to bid. so for the 2022 winter olympics there are three cities that pulled out in the last year and they only have left to choose between kazakhstan and beijing in china. the new head of the ioc has started a campaign. he started it back when he came into office started a campaign to induce cities to bid. so they're making a lot of noise about changing the requirements and loosening the requirements and being more sympathetic to the city's needs. but as far as i can tell there hasn't been any real substantive change and bach has been successful for this 2024 bid because he's got paris interested, he's got rome interested, he's got berlin and joe hans berg and doha so it seems that the pr that's coming out of the ioc the international lkolympic committee, has changed just a bit. >> chris, if you are not
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successful in stopping this and boston gets the games, imagine opening night, imagine the opening ceremony i don't know where it would be fenway park something like this you wolf a burst of civic pride at that moment wouldn't you? >> absolutely. all of us are. we would have a lot of fun during that three weeks of the olympics. our issue is with the nine years leading up to it and with the debt you're left with after the games. is it really worst the price. >> my thanks to andy zimbelist and chris dempsey. that brings us to the end of the show. thanks for joining us today. we'll be back next weekend, saturday and super bowl sunday at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. coming up later, "taking the hill" with patrick murphy at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. of course up next melissa harris-perry. she'll be here in one second. have a great week. ♪ ♪ ♪ "here i am. rock you like a hurricane." ♪ fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle.
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