tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC January 26, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
msnbc will have complete coverage of this blizzard. we continue now with "all in with chris hayek." >> you cannot under estimate that storm. >> the first great blizzard of 2013 threatening to break records across the northeast. >> we're expecting a very high rate of snowfall. you almost can't plow that much snow that quickly. >> 1800 plows, 126,000 tons of salt. we'll look at what it takes to keep things runs as five states declare a state of emergency.
>> let me start with bambogenesis. it is a new buzz word. >> what is bombogenesis. >> what is that? >> answers tonight. >> good evening from the snow bound and eerily quiet new york city. we are out and about on what has been a snow filled day and an intensely snow filled evening. let me get you up dated with the latest. seven states have declared a state of emergencies. new jersey neward,knewark. the storm is expecting to continue through the night, hitting it's peak starting around 2:00 a.m. in the morning.
we could see three to four inches an hour. we're looking at 12 to 36 inches of know in a ban arking from new jersey up through maine including possible records here in new york city. also rhode island and boston. coastal areas are expecting near hurricane force kinds that start in just a little bit as the storm moving off of the warmer ocean back west arching down through new england. we're going to see possible whiteout conditions high winding, fears of mass power outages. there is a travel ban right now. this is relatively unprecedented. nonemergency vehicles starting at 9:00 p.m. in connecticut. the new jersey transit is closed. the new york mass transit that never closes it keeps the city
functioning, the new york city subway system and all transit will close at 11:00 p.m. tonight. it closed during sandy. and that will bring the biggest city in the country to an absolute stand still. amtrak is suspending all service through new england. 7,000 flights have been cabled. a third of domestic travel. we have essentially a lock down at all of the airports. if you're traveling in or out of new york tonight you're screwed. you probably already knew that. public schools will be closed tomorrow. boston schools closed through wednesday. broadway is closed no shows will go on tonight. the storm will peak by 10:00 a.m. in new york. by about 7:00 p.m. in boston. a lot of snow and accumulation. local state officials pleading with the public right now. you have seen them all day
sounding very dire warnings up and down the eastern seaboard. take a listen. >> this will most likely be one of the largest blizzards in the history of new york city. i'm asking everyone to understand that and prepare accordingly. this is not like other snowstorms, it will be by all indications, worse and people have to be ready. >> we have an extreme severe winter event coming our way. my message to the people of rhode island is to get prepared. >> let me say to everyone in in new jersey this will be a significant storm. it will create really hazardous conditions including dangerous conditions on our roadways. >> i'm urging people to take these forecasts very seriously and take every precaution. check on your neighbors, especially the elderly and disabled. clear your sidewalks the best you can. >> we're new englanders so this
is not new to most of us. however, please be sure to have flashlights that work, extra food, and your medications packed for a few days. >> it's important to know that if you're without power you will be without power for a period of time. in all likelihood several days. >> the good news is the sun will come out again. we just don't know when. joining me now is bill karens. where are we in the projection of the storm right now? >> it is stormed and now that it is stormed we can compare it to how well the placement is to where the computer models said it would be. now we see the place, the forecast all along was the most difficult from the hudson valley to albany. the recent trends the
short-term trend, the lower snowfall totals in philadelphia new york city, albany to the hudson valley. that doesn't mean it won't be a huge historic event. they're still saying two or three feet of snow for earn portions of massachusetts, rhode island, and long island. but the totals could go a little lower from new york city. we still have blizzard warnings. they have not canceled those yet. but we'll wait and see with a new update coming in this evening if they do do that. it tells the story. we have really heavy baps of snow that are now lifting almost to providence. this is near white out conditions. we have to watch the bans how far are they going to rotate to
the left? it made it there, and it is going to central portions. that is why areas of eastern long island could pick three feet of snow up. we may have only a foot in new york city. it is a really steep gradient from east to west. you see that new york city is in a lull. we got about five inches in central park earlier. now we're waiting to see how far to the west those bans will get and how long it takes to shift into the new york city area. the winds are not that bad in new jersey or long island. the worst of this storm, the best chances for it being historic power outoutages, people trapped in their homes for days. it is into areas of strange and eastern connecticut and the winds are the strongest gusting
currently at nearly 40 miles per hour. i still feel very confident in that blue stripe there and the totals. if there is anything in a will get chopped off, it would be to take some of this purple, which is 12 inches plus and bring that maybe toward the new york city rear. that is the only caveat and change of the forecast. of course that would get a lot of headlines if new york city doesn't get the expected -- i called for 18 inches if we got 12 it would call for big headlines. but in other areas, it is set in stock market. the storm just forms, new information from our computers will be coming in the next bit will be in about an hour and then the ex-is about two hours after that. we'll have a good idea of what we're dealing with as we go
throughout the evening. >> thank you, we're going to rahema ellis driving around massachusetts. bill was just talking about massachusetts bearing the worst brunt of this, what does it look like where you are? >> we're north of one of the areas, chris where he was talking about it starting to look really bad. we're north of wurster going towards the boston area. i don't know if you can switch to our camera mounted on our windshield. this is what a lot of people want to see as the hours pass here. that is a salting truck, preparing the roads so they will be less hazardous than they could be without this. we seem to be in a little built of a lull here. right now it seems to have come down a little bit.
it's cold and the other thing i noticed in just the last hour and the forecast is starting to diminish. people came out from their workplaces and made their way home. we're seeing more and more the vehicles are emergency vehicles and that what they want to have on this road as opposed to private cars. you were talking earlier that massachusetts is one of those states that a travel ban is going into effect around midnight. only the essential vehicles will be allowed on this road chris? >> we go now to ann thompson. she is live from the streets of new york city. the city that is were for all intents and purposes shut down. i can only think of a handful of times when everything from a
road ban, to the sub waywaysways being shut down. >> it's not just the snow it's also the winds. they are predicting we will see wind gusts from 50 to 60 miles per hour. one came roars through here it was so strong it knocked our camera and light right on the ground. and luckily it is okay. but come here let me show you just how empty new york city is tonight in is 5th avenue. have you ever seen it like this before? i cannot recall -- i mean i think the last time i saw 5th avenue this empty was the night of september 11th in 2001. it really is very very dramatic. mayor bill deblasio is urging people to go home get off of the roads. as of 11:00 tonight, traffic is
only open to emergency vehicles. there is 6,000 miles worth of streets. they have 2300 vehicles in this city they want blows and they want them to work. 11:00 is the witching hour. that's when they think the bans of the blizzard will be the most intense overnight and we can see anywhere from one to two inches to two to four inches of snow per hour flp is just no way if there are cars on the road that the blows can get in there and do the work they need to do. no private cars after 11:00. the the subway and bus systems are shut down. that is so everyone in new york city can be safe in this storm. >> we have dylan dryer in
boston. >> it is pretty much shut down. there is not a lot on the roads but the plows and the salt trucks. so far we have less than half an inch of snow but it has not really reached this area yaet. if you look in front of us the snow has been blowing around it's a very light, fine snow right now. it is starting to cover some of the streets. the temperature is about 28 degrees, so this will be a light fluffy snow. i want to show you the radar here, and you can see where we do have some of our heavier snow. we have picked up nearly four inches of snow already. the snow coming down in southearnsouth southeastern massachusetts, it is creeping closer and closer to the boston area where we are. so it has been light so far, but it is expected to get going
through 10:00 tonight. we might not see these conditions let up until about 5:00 or 6:00 tuesday achb. that is an extented period of time with withoutout conditions. everyone is courage urged to stay off of the roads. things are shut down tuesday into wednesday in the boston area. the crews are out and ready, but it will be a big one. i worked in boston forrics years and it is not often you predict 24 to 46 inches of snow in the city city. thanks now we go to ron allen. what is it like out there right now? >> it has been pretty harsh for the last few hours or so. and we have a lot of snow on the ground already. the roads out here are completely covered. there have been plows going by
but they have not been able to keep up with it. this is an off ramp for a highway. it is really really died down and if you look further up there, you can see what's left of the long island express way which is for the most part completely deserted. i saw a line of plows going buy awhile ago, and we saw a line of utility trucks going back going back in that direction. that direction is east towards the tip of long island where the brunt of the storm is worse than it is right here. there is several inches of snow falling on these bushes and on the ground. the wind is also starting to kick up president the predictions for for 40 to 50 miles per hour gusts and i think they upped that a bit. if you see it twirling maybe, the gusts come and go. that gas station now is pretty deserted. we can see the wind circling and
pulling the snow up and blowing around. it is also about 25 degrees or so now. that's what the temperature is but it feels colder because of the wind. we're trying to keep ourselves in the direction so we're not hit in the face by it. it is going to get worse. people are staying off of the roads, heeding the warning. it is very very dangerous. we have seen snowplows and emergency vehicles go by later. one or two motorists out trying to get a last fill up or something but heading home, so again this is just the beginning of it. we're not even really at the beginning of the worst of it. it will happen overnight, but people are hunkering down, and it just keeps getting worse by the hour. back to you. >> thanks so much ron is getting that first wave of snow coming in from the east. i cannot to go now to polly, she
is the nyc commissioner. the department of transportation -- commissioner of the department of transportation. how does commissioner -- how do you make the decision to close the roads at 11:00 tonight. what goes into making that decision? >> as you can imagine, that is not a decision that the city made lightly. our number one goal is public safety. as we consider, you know you have been talking about what some of the biggest hazards can be one of the biggest is when you have too many vehicles on the road and they start getting stuck and involved in crashes and our plows can't get through and more importantly our emergency, fire and police and rescue vehicles can't get through. looking at the magnitude, we will have a better chance of getting a safe outcome. >> what is the strategy for
emergency vehicles tonight? i know some people obviously there are women around new york city in the five boros expecting, or past their due date elderly population that is sick, kids with illnesses. how does getting emergency vehicles around in this weather work? >> the city has really having learned some lessons from previous storms, bulked up. we have 40% more ambulances operational in this storm. we have a better mix of vehicles. some that can ride higher and have dire chains. in addition vehicles by private agencies or any other types of organizations or any vehicle that needs sud suddenly to transport someone, if you're about to give birth, throw them in a car, and if a police officer stops you, they can help you get to a ambulance. we're hoping it will make it quicker and easier for anyone
experiencing a medical emergencies. i spoke to representative say they thought it would be possible for trains to operate. the governor announcing that all train service will stop at 11:00 if that is a very very swhat extreme step. do you think that is the right call? that does essentially entirely shut down new york city. >> look i think they didn't make that decision lightly. i think they made a judgment as you're hearing all along on the northeastern seaboard they want to encourage people to stay home not to travel in the period of this blizzard. >> all right, new york city commissioner for the department of transportation, really
i'm joining now by paul douglas. can you explain the conditions. what has to come together to dump this much frozen precipitation on the northeast? >> you're absolutely right, chris, it requires a special convergence, a recipe we had a gently used alberta kriper that pro -- clipper that provided a jolt of energy. that spun up a secondary storm
off of the coast. a classic nor'easter. it is tapping moisture and energy from the atlantic ocean. i checked temperatures, 12 and 13 degrees warmer than average for late january. so you have this warm substitute, and cold air pushing in. the sharper the gradient and temperature, the faster the winds have to blow. you could wind up with an atmospheric bomb where the storm is strengthening so rapidly that the rare is spiraling into the center and accelerating. this is really sort of the winter equivalent of a tropical storm. this is nothing like sandy, obviously back in 2012 even though it is hooking west like sandy did, but i saw a five foot
storm surge rediction latprediction later on tonight. and paul just to be clear about one thing here when you have winter storms, you get obviouslyly people talking about climate change. we're seeing that storms draw energy from warmer ocean waters which is partly produced by a rising temperature globally and that factors in winter storms as well, is that right? >> that is absolutely true christ. 14 of the 15 warmer years have been since the turn of the century. last year was the warmest, and it is confirmed that 93% of that excess heat is going into the world's oceans.
that can make stronger typhoons and turbo charge storms like we're looking at tonight. i don't know not to minimize the hardship that this storm will do but i find it humbling and amazing on some level that in spite of all of our technology, all of our inventions, none of it means squat on a night like tonight. on a night like tonight we're reminded that mother nature bats last and at times you have to just hunker down. that is what officials are doing up and down the seaboard and i applause them. >> paul douglas, thank you so much. we'll be back with more after the break.
i'm going to keep saying to everyone, take preindicationcautions, take care. this is the calm before the storm. it is about to start, and when it does it will come in very fast, very hard and people have to be very very care fulful bill deblasio addressing the city. saying the snow is petering out a little bit before it makes it's way back across in towards new york city. i want to go to chris warren in providence rhode island. looking like it will bear the brunt of it? >> yes, here all the way up to boston. you're looking at possibly two
feet of snow. these bans as they set up cannot rule out three feet of snow in some cases. we have been seeing this snow come down harder and faster and we're seeing more and more snow building up on some of the side streets right here. we have seen a lot of tow trucks and plows out here. traffic is moving along pretty good right now. here in providence you cannot. i don't think we had an inch here yet. look at this corner. when the wind comes and blows, it picks up the know it is piling up here in the corner. the corner of the streets, you're starting to see more and
more snow and you can see little areas where the plows have come through. they have been through here a few times. and then the snow comes up so fast is starts to get covered again. a plow might come through and two or three hours later it might come down at all, that's how fast it will come down tonight. >> we have daniel mckey on the phone right now, what are your biggest concerns. i know there is a travel ban half midnight on your state. where are your hearing of highest focus in terms of emergency preparedness right now? >> we're asking for people to prepare for a couple days with no electricity. the loss of electricity is a major concern and the cold weather, so we're asking the residences of the state to be prepared for that. we recommended the governor has
declared a state of emergency in rhode island. so i think they're the same situation as well. >> the local communities, which the governor asked me to facility with the cities and towns. we really need to get through in effect, and people need to abide by nose parking bans because we have to get emergency vehicles to get through. those are two major concerns the loss of electricity and making sure that people are off of the roads and feting their vehicles off of the roads so the emergency vehicles can get through and snowplowing that
will happen. over the next couple days. >> do you have the infrastructure in place to be able to deal with mass pour outages and getting folks who may be isolated in terms of transportation who may need food heat or emergency medical services. we saw @ was fuel and the electricity outages that really took a toll. are you prepared for that. >> i was in the air for 12 years and i think that we learned through the sandy and through some of the hurricanes going on our emergency manager has coordinated with the national grid, which is our energy provider. we believe that we're going to have the personnel and human capital on the ground to address these potential outoutages.
we also want to caution that it could take several days to be in a place where they have been hit the hardest. i think we do have the infrastructure in place, i think the governor has done a very good job. both of us less than three weeks, and we have had simulations preparing for this and there has been good staff in place so we're expecting to be able to coordinate this very successfully. >> daniel mckee. thank you and good luck tonight. i want to bring in an associate professor who studies disaster preparedness. eric, you have been studying this for over a decade who is most vulnerable and what mistakes do governments tend to make that hopefully we can learn from. >> we know who is vulnerable we know about vulnerable people even vulnerable places.
we need to look for vulnerable people, people living alone that don't have the same kind of social networks that so many people take for granted. it is especially dangerous for them if the power goes out, if they lose their heat or are stuck indoors. what we see in moments like this is they feel over confident. they find themselves in a situation with massive power outagesout outages, the needs may overwhelm our capacity. >> i think what ends up happening is people say it is hype, they're making too much of it, it sounds like from what i'm hearing from you is the bigger danger is under selling the threat in terms of preparedness and for what actions people take. if you do that that's where you end up with real disasters like
what happened in the heat wave in chicago of 1995. >> the facts are we live in a county country right now with very vulnerable neighborhoods. it can prove lethal in times like this. it is true that we will often do a lot of preparation and find that the big storm doesn't hit. hurricane irene was going to be the one that hit new york. the city braced for it and it was not as devastating. people said look we don't have to worry about these things. a year later sandy came and overwhelmed our capacity. it might not be this one, it might be juno in boston. i think the problem with global warming is that we can expect to see more extreme weather systems like this. we have no choice but to learn how to deal with this kind of stress on our systems. >> have we gotten better at
this, one of the defining moments of the last decade was the -- hurricane katrina, the gulf, what that meant, the spectacle, misery hundreds and thousands of lives lost. have we gotten better in have we implemented -- are you seeing things happen that you would not have seen 10 or 20 years ago? >> in some ways we are. seeing political leaders, especially local leaders in moments like this take the extreme weather seriously, the conversation about climate change has inevitably changed the way we prepare for these kinds of things because we know we have to. i this the population of people are very old, and they're doing more outreach. one of the issues we know is you can't wait for people who are isolated and vulnerable to come to you and ask for help. you have to do very aggressive
outreach and do everything possible at the neighborhood level, the city level to get assistance to get to people who are in need. in chicago, they waited and hundreds of people died. i think we're seeing improvement, but at the same time the challenges are getting greater and greater and the risks and vulnerabilities are bigger than they have been in some time. >> you have probably been hearing the word bombogenesis today. ly explain it, ahead.
issue, but juno is in too deep. normally one system could leave, but it won't go. now the eastern seaboard can't feel a thing from their head down to their toes. that is bombogenesis. go out and put on your snow suit suit suit. >> this is a state of emergency -- >> the snow. >> we're giving. >> the state of emergency. >> the snow. >> we're giving the state of the emergency, this is the snow -- >> we're given.
accumulations. for the latest on the direction this storm as has taken, we go to bill karens. >> crushing is the only way i can put it. looks at the data coming in the storm, adjusting my numbers, trying to give people the best information i have as soon as we get it in. let me take you through how it works. this is our computer models from the morning run, the evening data is just coming in. this is an american model here. and this is not my forecast, this is just what the computer is saying. this is what the meteorologist are looking at. this is one version that shows a huge ban from manchester to new haven area. that was that model. one of the more dependable models is the european model. they are usually more accurate
than our models. it was forecasting a block buster storm for new york. it backed off a little this morning. it is still a two foot ban outside of or near boston. our computers have shifted a bit. they don't update until about midnight tonight unfortunately. it looks like our west side of this storm, the western edge we have knocked down the totals a little bit. one of our computers is saying that new york city could get like two or three more inches of snow. i dropped it to 12 to 14 inches. i had you at 16 to 20. new york city has already picked up five inches so that may be fei or nine additional inches of snow and that is very do able. it may not be the paralyzing
blizzard once advertised for new york city. we knew if it would bust it would bust in the hudson valley,manvalley manhattan, and new york. that heavy snow band is there. this storm is just as strong as advertised. that heavy snow band is just now no longer projected to quick back into the new york city area. it's still going to sit here over the providence area from boston, cape cod, almost to springfield and to the new haven area. i didn't touch you in boston or providence. i still think we're going to get the hour outages and we're still going to have people stuck in their homes, chris. that has not changed, i am changing that the western edge of the storm looks to be less
and a little bit of flurries falling, but about 7:00 tonight as was predicted this storm started to intensify here on boston common. now we're seeing very fine powdery snow. it has been falling for the past couple hours here. we're seeing powdery accumulation here. as this forecast says, this is not supposed to get really intense until after midnight and closer to the predawn hours. it could fall two or four inches per hour. it coincides here. and the cape and islands down in the south. it could pose real problems for
people who live along the shoreline. we're also noticing in the last hour or two that the wind is really starting to pick up. some high gusts in the last couple of hours. overnight these gusts are supposed to turn into sustained winds. it is near hurricane force. the concern here of course is snow. if we get two or three feet of snow, that will be tough to dig out from.r hunkered down. they're expecting widespread power outages. as you might imagine, there is not many people out on the streets right now. there is a parking ban in boston at midnight in the state of massachusetts. we see plows occasionally and city buses that are empty as they go by. a pretty quiet night tonight.
>> all right, thank you we're going now to the mayor of boston marty walsh. obviously boston and new england are not unaccustomed to big snowstorms. where does this rank in terms of boston in the last several years, your tenure in severity. >> i have been there 13 months now so it will be the biggest storm that i have faced here. it could spend on what the reports are saying and everything you're saying to us is we will get globclobbered here. we're expecting a pretty big storm in the city. >> what plans do you have right now if power goes out. i know you have -- you have a transportation shut down on the roads. if you find yourself with a power situation, what is the
manning. >> we have the utility companies, when we have a team wide meeting about this. it will be closely prepared to try to get power as soon as possible. we have bucket trucks ready to take down trees that have to come down. you to let it take it's course and see what we can do but i'm hoping if duo have a loss of hour it's for a very short piece of time. we will have to get our crews on it as soon as we can. this storm seems like it will linger on throughout tomorrow. that will be difficult to get the power up as quick as we can. >> and finally, what is the situation with the t, and what are you anticipating for public
transit? >> for right now it's stopped in the city. the government declared a state of emergency later today. i'm pretty confident that we will not have service tomorrow with the amount of snow we're getting. we're asking people to try and only have essential personnel on the roads if at all possible. we're trying to make arrangements with hospitals so we can get the nurses and doctors to and from the hospitals. we're really focusing on the main thorough fairs so we have the ability to get emergency vehicles through the main streets. >> boston mayor marty walsh, thank you so much. >> we'll be back after the break been.
all right, that is "all in" for this evening. two hours before all unessential vehicles have to be off of the road in the city. i hand it off to rachel maddow. >> thank you for joining us this hour. this is totally normal right? it is 9:00 right now on the east coast where seven states are in a state of emergency. as of right now 9:00 p.m. eastern, no private cars are allowed on the road in the entire state of connecticut. a full travel ban