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se. for a free 30-tablet trial go to hello, everybody. i'm betty nguyen. on tuesday, the islamic state released a 22-minute video showing the burning of the jordanian pilot. the execution happened on january 23rd. i'm joined by msnbc correspondent correspondent. king abdullah made good on his threat? >> reporter: he sure did. he was cutting his trip short but before he arrived here in jordan he gave the final go
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ahead for what the jordanian government have confirmed earlier this morning in jordan's local time the ministry of interior carried out the two al qaeda-related prisoners that it had in its custody. one of the individuals that was executed today was sajida al rishawi. it was one of the names that they floated around as an individual that they were willing to release for the jordanian pilot. people have been gathering and demanding revenge and the other
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person identified by the ministry of interior was an individual believed to be a senior member of al qaeda in iraq and he was also very close to the leadership of that group before it was somewhat and the jordanian government carried out the execution of
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days ago still. and yet why would they kill him if he was a bargaining chip for him? >> well the sequence here is very important, betty. the way the sequence kind of unfolded over the past week or so since these kind of negotiations intensified was that the isis group actually
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released a video of the japanese hos steaj saying that he was going to be released in exchange. >> right. >> for the jordanian terrorist. it was at that point that the jordanian government put on the table the offer to release this individual, the jordanian -- the woman in jordanian custody in exchange for the jordanian pilot. so it seems almost that jordan was challenging isis that if they did, in fact really want this jordanian prisoner in jordan's custody, that they would release her only on the condition that they would also release the pilot that isis was holding. and isis was unable to provide a proof of life. it seems now we know why they were unable to provide that proof of life. but that's one of the main reasons that the jordanian government did not go through with the deal. they insisted that isis provide a proof of live video that
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mu'ath al kaseasbeh, the pilot that was executed today, was alive and safe before they released any terrorist that they had in their custody and it seems that they probably had some good intelligence that he was not alive and that's why they demanded that proof of life before going ahead with that deal. >> stand by. i want to bring in a global terrorism analyst. you've seen this play out today with the latest being that jordan has executed those two al qaeda members. what do you make of -- what happens next now? now that jordan has promised swift action carried out swift action, where does this go from here? >> look i think that there are going to be multiple things that the jordanian authorities are going to be carrying outgoing forward. one of these things that is going to be gathering as much intel as possible about possible cells inside jordan whether this has some acceptance by
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jordan or not. the other thing is that they have to demonstrate to the national community that, if anything, this is adding to their determination to continue being part of this international coalition to combat this growing terror problem in the region and that it's hitting home. so they have to be absolutely vigilant about how they are going to go with that. and also the third point is that the jordanian government has to absolutely make sure that it maintains the faith in its action. that it took this swift action to say we are not weak. we are a strong government and now how to deal with international policy and with the situation. >> is this going to strengthen jordan's resolve with the coalition against isis? >> in my opinion, it will. though it might receive negative backlash it might cause raucous among the
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jordanian public but what has been demonstrated the jordanians have stood with the government and believe that they have done the right thing and i think it's going to strengthen their resolve and continue to be part of the u.s.-led coalition and may actually amplify its role. >> could it also be a tipping point not just for jordan but for the muslim world when it comes to isis? >> you know i believe a number of individuals that i have seen on social media, some negative reaction towards -- from a lot of radicals who do not believe this was, you know legitimatized by sharia. we have to be careful because
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there was a statement distributed by isis to locals in syria that legitimatizes execution by fire and this was distributed back on january 20th. so you know i think the islamic state has pre-empted this at least the locals so they won't feel like the islamic state is not doing the right thing. if we have to execute the pilot, we are doing the right thing. >> so in a way does that give them cushion, if you will whereas many people look at this and say, you know what your methods have backfired on you? >> you know yeah they might get a little bit of backfire but for those who adhere to the ideology, they would feel that the islamic state is actually carrying out its word that is carrying this out and that might strengthen its resolve among its
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adherence but i think there's going to be people around the region that realize the actions have gone way, way out of line. >> i think when people watch this, too, they are trying to figure out why would isis ratchet this up and we've heard your explanation for that. and if isis knew that this jordanian pilot came from a prominent home which i assume they knew who this guy was, why wouldn't they keep him alive? wouldn't he be more valuable to them alive? >> you know i feel that they might have found more benefit, let's say, in executing him for p.r. purposes. it's almost like a p.r. victory. it's like who is going to laugh at the end. it seems like isis believe its has the upper hand in this that it was brings jordan to its
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knees. in a way it back-fired. it did not bring jordan to its knees. jordan is against this kind of terrorism. >> i want you to stand by because there are a lot of developments and elements in the breaking news. we, of course, are going to continue with this breaking news. we will be right back. gent was like half the price! and we'll have to use like double! maybe more! i'm going back to the store? yes you are. dish issues? get cascade complete. one pac cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. cascade. now that's clean. ♪ there's confidence. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts mean your peace of mind. now you can get the works, a multi-point inspection with a synthetic
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is that what we pay for internet? yup. dsl is about 90 bucks a month. that's funny, for that price with comcast business, i think you get like 50 megabits. wow, that's fast. personally, i prefer a slow internet. there is something about the sweet meditative glow of a loading website. don't listen to the naysayer. switch to comcast business today and get 50 megabits per second for $89.95. comcast business. built for business. welcome back. we are continuing breaking news right now. we understand that jordan has executed to al qaeda prisoners. this comes after isis on released videos of a jordanian pilot. in the video he is said to have been burned alive.
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the jordanian pilot was captured after his f-16 crashed in syria. according to isis he has been executed. in retaliation jordan has executed two al qaeda prisoners. we will continue to follow this breaking news on msnbc.
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welcome back, everybody. 15 minutes past the our as we continue breaking news on jordan
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executing two al qaeda prisoners. a jordanian pilot was in a cage and burned alive. as we will watched this play out i think a lot of people are trying to understand the timeline. how did this begin with two japanese prisoners and end up with a jordanian pilot executed? >> for the past several months isis has been not just with the japanese hostages but american or british, either kidnap directly or buy from other terrorist groups who may have kidnapped foreign nationals, trying to gather as many as they can. we saw a short while ago,
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perhaps ten days ago the release of a second video that purchase forthedly showed evidence to suggest that the previous journalist who had been held by isis was executed. at that point the dee mands by isis that jordan release him began to surface. subsequently after that video emerged, that the jordanian authorities said they would be willing to release her in exchange for the japanese hostage as well as the jordanian pilot seen on the video that was burned alive. there is a lot of fast-moving pieces to it. the isis group had put out several dead lines for when they
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wanted a response. they did not get responses in time. in other cases jordan responded immediately saying they would be willing to offer the prisoner up. as the deadline reports, there was no on proof of life from isis. short hi after that we got word and saw the video of the execution or murder of the second japanese hostage. today, the video showing the execution of the jordanian air force pilot. >> we are hearing that the pilot was killed somewhere around january 3rd but as of a few days ago isis was still trying to garg an for a release of a prisoner held in jordan spr the
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swap of the pilot. >> that's true. it's not yet clear why the jordanian government made the announcement that they believe he was killed january 3rd. they were very on clear about that today. it came from the jordanian armed forces and posted on the news agency web site. they said they believe the jordanian pilot was killed self weeks ago, going back to early january. that could be from open source intelligence or the jordanian government may have had top secret intelligence confirming that the pilot had been killed but did not want to go public with it given the fact that the subsequent videos emerged where the jordanian pilot was discussed. the timeline aspect is one that they are going to try to piece together. there is no doubt that once the
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japaneses on damage videos started to emerge and the jordanian government wanted to make a deal for the jordanian pilot, they insisted on seeing a proof of life. that could have been because they were skeptical that the pilot may still be in fact alive, or they may have been trying to call isis's bluff, so to speak. >> hold on for us. we want to bring in steve clements. the editor at large for the atlantic. i asked earlier of one of our analysts why wouldn't isis try to keep the pilot alive. ? >> i think they didn't know the forsyth of what was coming
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ahead. aman covered this. we all watched. it's hard to know what's in the minds of these people when they elect to kill folks. it seems to me that they had decided that there was no price that they would take for this pilot, that he represented, in their theology and what they believe a collaborator with the united states, an collaborator with everything they are opposed to. when you look at the propaganda video and see so much focused on jordanian collaboration and cooperation with the united states it seems that isis lost any off ramp for getting rid of him. but i am speculating in this case. i don't think they would have ever traded him for any amount of money or for any other hostage and that all of this was
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a ruse. >> so you are telling me it was so valuable to them so highly regarded as a recruiting tool been that they went to be those extremes. >> i think aman said it earlier, that they believe in -- you know, sometimes it's hard to imagine these horrible thugs as people that are thoughtful that have an internally consistent doctrine that they believe they are executing in this. i think there have been some changes. i was surprised when they kidnapped the japanese hostages. japan had committed resources to the anti-isis coalition as well. there is a logic, if you will to some of what isis is doing. but i believe the capture of
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this pilot was too symbolically significant for them. the spectacular death they created for him was both a sign of their primecy competing against other groups around the world in this extreme islamist mode and the killings have attracted people from around the world. some of whom have been disaaffected. there is evidence that isis may have executed up to 100 foreign fight% attempting to leave and return to their homes. so it's not working as well as it once was. these videos are designed to attract followers and to essentially boast about what they are doing. they believe they are on a
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mission and that the united states and western meddling is something they are trying to expel, which is not unconsistent with al qaeda and some of the internal theological dna of the groups that is have caused so much horror. >> do you think isis may have miscalculated this time around the brutality is so bad that it's going to backfire on them? >> i think it's backfiring for another reason. many of us are repelled by the brutality and how awful it is. they hope that people across the world are rae pelled by what they have seen as well. you have to admit that if you were to take the temperature yesterday in iman or jordan there was great dissatisfaction
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with the government. now the fact that he may have been killed weeks ago changed it. the death by fire has potentially strengthened the hand of the king. i sat in meetings as early as yesterday with very senior u.s. government officials who worried that if this pilot was alive and was executed it would create political instability inside of jordan. we weren't going to pressure jordan one way or another. we decided this needed to be their deal not our deal. it was a fragile situation. with the pictures and images we are getting back it seems clear, at least at this moment
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that the people are rallying around the government and rallying against isis. >> it seems today that the king said he was going to act swiftly. in fact he did, executing two al qaeda prisoners. steve clemens i am going to ask you to stand by. we will continue with breaking news coverage. we will be right back. to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. once applied jublia gets to the site of infection by going under, around and through the nail. most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. tackle it! ask your doctor now if new jublia is right for you. i've been called a control freak... i like to think of myself as more of a control... enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees.
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hello, everybody. it's about 30 minutes past midnight sheer midnight here in the east. you are looking at a map of the area where seven are dead and 12 injured after a train collided with a jeep cherokee. it was stopped on the tracks the driver got out, and got in and it was struck by the train. the female driver of the jeep and 400 on the train. joining me is gus rosendale who was at the scene. this happened during rush hour couldn't been at a worse time especially for the seven people who were killed.
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>> we were talking to the passengers on board. it left at 5:44 carrying approximately 650 people. when you talk with them their experiences really vary i did depending why they were sitting on the train. people at the back of the train barely knew there was a problem. a very different story in the front. we talked to a man in car number four. he talks about a jolt he felt when they hit the jeep and dragged it for the length they say, of about ten train cars. so this train was going at a good clip could not stop in time, hit the jeep and dragged it underneath. when that happened it led to an explosion and an enormous
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outpouring of smoke that filled the train cars. the people on board said they didn't get much in the way of instruction or updates. you experience this you are probably waiting for instruction what is to do next. that appears to not have happened. they got one brief announcement. then the people started to smash the windows with their bare hands. it was up to them to get the windows open and doors open. governor cue ohm owe, who updated us. the train was packed standing room only. they had to safely evacuate with a live third rail there. >> we have sound coming in from one of the passengers on the train. take a listen.
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>> i felt a big bump. i just kind of got shot forward a little bit. then everything went silent and there was a brief clip statement from the conductor. everything was silent after that. usually when i have experienced a problem before they give you instructions. within seconds or a minute after that happened people in the front of the train started saying move back move back there is smoke in the front car. that sort of built that kind of -- it wasn't panic because people were saying stay calm but they were getting more and more anxious. that's when we started to get the emergency doors and windows open. >> i imagine there had to have been a bit of panic inside as
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you were smelling the smoke. you a you mentioned, they weren't getting any kind of indication as to what to do next. >> no, i think the people in the first couple of cars saw the problem and were moving backwards. most people didn't realize how bad it was until they got outside and saw the enormous fire. there are questions about communication and woo people should have been told. sometimes you don't want to run out of the train because it can be dangerous because of electricity and other trains nearby. >> there is no indication whether or not the intercom system was knocked out with the crash either. there are a lot of questions still needing answers. this train collided with i believe is was a jeep cherokee stuck on the tracks. did the car just lose power, why
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did the driver get out, do you have any indication what happened with that. >> that's a big question. why was the truck on the tracks. we know the gates were down. that would indicate that the truck was on the tracks for some period of time before the gates came down. this is all speculation of what we could see from the news chopper. so perhaps they had some time. what was wrong with the vehicle, if there was something wrong with it that's unclear at this point. we learned a little bit more about the severity of the crash. when the train hit the jeep the jeep was moved forward. the third rail which powers the train, that third rail pierced the jeep that's now underneath essentially, the train. the third rail pierced the train
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itself. the live third rail with a deadly amount of electricity. the train was moving at a good clip. the jerryengineer was not able to stop. the investigative team will leave tomorrow morning and boots on the ground here before noon. >> as we look at video, the smoke coming out of the train cars it is very cold here in new york. we have had a blizzard more snowfall. what happened to the hundreds of passengers on board once this happened? they obviously got off the train. was there shelter? how were they provide for? >> this particular bit of rail line runs parallel to a highway. shortly before this there had
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been a car accident not too far from the train crash scene. so there were first responders close by who were able to get there quickly. their primary focus at the beginning was on the people. people were helped to what local health club. i don't know the extent they were debriefed by the authorities. a lot of people reaching out to families to arrange a reunion. the roads were closed so people trying to get to family members who were stranded had difficulty doing that. a lot of people were getting out of the train. i don't know how many grabbed jackets in time. and briefcases, too. they were take ton local businesses for shelter.
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>> what do you know about the at least seven people injured in this accident? >> in particular we are told that who was not among that number, is the engineer which is kind of shocking when you see the first train car. as the governor put the, that car was gutted. you would presume the engineer being in the front, the commuter rails don't have a large locomotive in front of them. the windshield where the operator is sitting, we are told the engineer is not among the casualties. the other driver we don't know. the passengers in the front car -- we talked to one man today, his fingers were bloodied
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when he was trying to get out. he talked to commuters -- it's very much a habitual thing. people tend to sit in the same seats, talk to the same people. that are many on the train who are home now. i imagine we will get a better sense of who they are. >> of the seven people killed help us understand how this played out. do you think it was from the impact, the fire the smoke? >> unclear at this point. the fire you saw there, you had a jeep so you know it was run over. some sort of explosion. that could have been a factor as well. this was a packed commuter train. everything from smoke inalation to minor things like falling if
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you didn't get a seat. when you see the front car, that first train car, this is something -- the outside is smeared with smoke. you have a combination of things that are potentially lethal here. >> i will ask you to stand by. i am going to bring in a reporter at the medical center. >> according to the metropolitan transit authority, they said about 12 injured train passengers were brought here. the number one trauma center in this region. we were told that ten of those passengers were seriously injured but we do not yet know the exact condition.
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i was inside just a short while ago and saw some loved ones of these passengers in the waiting ram. you can imagine there were looks of anxiety on faces as they were waiting for word of the condition of the people that they care for the most. this is a difficult time for them. when you get on a train at the start of the evening commute, you have every expectation of arriving at your destination safely. that did not happen for hundreds of the passengers tonight. 12 are here at this medical facility. ten transported here seriously injured. we are waiting for a report on the extent of the injuries. >> thank you for that. a crowded new york commuter train struck a vehicle this afternoon during rush hour. seven people were killed. at least 12 are being treated at the medical center.
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crash, this happening in taipei. a transasia airways took off about the 9:45 p.m. eastern. it crashed ten minutes later with 58 people on board. at least nine were killed. the plane went down in a river after clipping a bridge. 16 people have been take ton hospitals. it came months after another transasia plane went downtown off of taiwan's coast. a commercial flight with 53 passengers on board clipped a bridge shortly after take-off and crashed into a river on the island's capital of taipei. you see the fuselage in that river, some of them standing on top. no word on what caused this accident. i guess the good news is that the river is close to a bank.
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many of them were able to get safely to shore. you see emergency crews on the ground. no word on any other injuries in this though. we know that 53 passengers were on board. ten people have been taken to safety. no immediate information about that. but again, this is pretty incredible video as you are seeing people being hoisted out of that plane onto rafts. alan dale former lay with the ntsb joins me on the phone. we have a lot of breaking news to deal with but this story of a crash of a taiwanese plane, aware looking at video of passengers being pulled out. we don't have an indication of what caused this accident only that it clipped a bridge.
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doesn't that odd to you? >> clipped a bridge over the potomac in '82. i saw the same video. the landing gear was up and the plane banked sharply. i don't know if it was taking off or landing or somewheres between. clipping a bridge is extremely unusual, even if it did happen once in washington, d.c.. >> we are looking at the video. you see the plane come out of the sky and the wing clipped the bridge. we are being told -- you asked the question you didn't know if it was take-off or landing. this was shortly after take-off. does that give you an indication as to what may have went wrong? >> in a way that sounds like
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that crash occurred in the potomac. the famous air florida crash, you know, the evidence sort of suggests he was trying to clip the bridge it looks like by hitting a wing that could be enough -- at slow speeds it doesn't take much to bring an aircraft down. when you are taking off you are probably flying roughly 110 miles an hour. it's thoord keep an aircraft in the air. the engines were telephoningdeveloping power and the gear was up. >> we understand there were nine people killed ten people taken to a safe area, but we don't know about the injuries as of yet. do you have any indication as to the history record of this plane? >> it's called an atr-72.
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it's a common commuter aircraft. it's a french-made aircraft very popular with the larger commuter users. we lost one in the states about 1994 when it iced up. i don't think they have a particularly bad safety record although it is strange that this taiwanese carrier has lost two in eight months july to february so -- >> that's a good point. this accident comes months after trance asia atr-72 attempted to
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land on an island off taiwan's coast. that crash killed four people. that dash cam video of the plane coming out of the sky over the buildings and the wing clipping the side of that bridge. i am not sure where the dash cam video is coming from what kind of vehicle. very lucky that there weren't any more people on the freeway there, or the roadway. this plane could have caused some injuries there. >> you may remember that -- i keep coming back to the bridge strike in washington, d.c. there were two or 3:00 p.m.three people killed in vehicles. when i saw the picture of the fuselage in the river, i was
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astounded. i hope -- i guess there is nine dead and ten survivors. i hope that there are more survivors. that looked like the fuselage was disrupted. it was submerged in the river. again, very precarious situation. let's hope and pray there are more survivors. although i am surprised -- they said ten survivors. >> they said ten. this information is still coming in. they said ten people are being taken to safety. that's what we are getting according to associated press reports. we originally reported there were nine killed. now the a.p. is saying at least eight. the information is trickling in and some of it with different numbers. i want to get back to the point about the fuselage.
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you see all the rescue workers in rafts trying to get passengers out and to safety. if you look toward the left of your screen toward the back you see another portion of the plane. what's between there? is it just missing or parts of the plane that are submerged? >> we don't know. maybe it broke up on impact. i am not looking at the photo but i have seen the video. i couldn't tell exactly which part of the fuselage it was. it's a long cylindrical fuselage. couldn't see any other wreckage. it does look like from what you are describing the aircraft fuselage was disrupted. in the air florida accident it was snowy and the potomac was
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frozen. there was heroic efforts made using helicopters. there were five survivors. i did investigate that 1982, as i recall. that was a famous crash. anytime an aircraft goes in the water -- yrg i investigated another crash in pensacola where on boeing went into the water. the plane was landing and just landed short of the airport. here it looks like the plane was rolling to its left violently. i just hope and pray we have more survivors, but i am not optimistic. >> the video is quite remarkable seeing the plane basically fall out of the sky. it made a sharp turn. does that give you any indication as to what kind of malfunction might have occurred? >> no. like i said, just from looking
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at the video and the stills it's hard to tell. one of the engines, probably the left would have failed, there is no evidence of that. if an engine failed, you would expect that maybe one of the propellers would be stopped. i don't see that. i'm not saying that both engines were running. all you can tell is that the gear was definitely you have. if you see the black spots on the bottom of the fuselage those are the tires of the air aircraft still exposed. i am going to look at more of the wreckage. i don't want to play this because i think it may have an audio. >> let me ask you this. this plane taking off shortly before the crash, do you have any indication of perhaps how fast they may have hit this
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river? >> i'm not -- i have an airline transport pilot license but i have never flown this type of aircraft. i have flown little props. around 100 miles an hour maybe a little faster on take-off ask an estimate of what kind of speeds you are talking about. for that kind of airplane i would imagine it would be going around 100 miles an hour. >> not a lot of time to react. if you are a passenger, not much you can do at this point. >> this book i wrote -- i don't know if you have the graphic, in the back of the book it turns out there are things you can do before and during a crash. the most important thing you can do is don't panic. >> easier said than done.
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>> i survived a plane crash myself. it's difficult not to panic, okay. the other thing i was going to say, you need to get into a braced position. get your head and upper torso up against whatever it's going to hit on impact. that will protect you. we don't have shoulder harnesses in aircraft or air bags. you want to prevent your upper body and head from whiplashing into the seat or whatever is in front of you. get up against what you think you are going to hit and put your arms over your face. the other thing i talk about, wear sensible shoes. there is no indication they deployed slides. >> we are watching video of them pulling people out of the plane at this hour. we are not sure when this was taken. eight to nine people killed in
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