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them to your jogging surgeons who sometimes wear homemade green bay packer suits with a cape. to all of oregon i've got to say thank you. the rest of the news in the world right now sucks. the rest of the world has news that is terrible. but oregon you are freaking excellent. best new thing in the world. we are sending you the sign. that does it for us tonight. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. we've got a chair here. i'm always going to have a chair here. so whenever you feel you didn't get in everything you needed to get in, just run over here and jump in. >> i'll be right there. tonight, we will be covering that trial in texas. the man who killed chris kyle goes on trial tomorrow. and benjamin netanyahu continues to ignore everyone advising him to can sill his trip to
washington. and jon stewart shocked the media world and the political world tonight. >> this is "the daily show with jon stewart." >> jon stewart announced he's leaving "the daily show." >> but first -- >> it's becoming known as the american sniper trial. >> it's ten women and two men. >> i just hope a fair trial gets done. it's just kind of the persona that he's guilty period. >> i'm going to the united states. not because i seek a confrontation with the president, but because i must fulfill my obligation. >> the prime minister of israel has come many times in the past. sthz is not a personal disagreement between president obama and me. >> is there a back and forth going on between the president and bibi netanyahu? >> if there is, i'm not going to continue it from here. >> the president of the united states is set to ask congress for new war powers.
>> as soon as tomorrow. >> obviously right now, the middle east is spiraling out of control. so what should america do about that? >> well, how about nothing. >> i think it would be safe to say we're stuck. >> we need a fully funded appropriations bill for the department of homeland security and we need it real soon. >> it's clear we can't go forward in the senate unless you've heard something i haven't. so the next move is up to the house. >> but first, here is your moment of zen. >> here it is, your moment of zen. >> you made it. the fastest run across the hall. we had to rewire you for this show. i'm glad you're all here because rachel you handled this an hour ago. i have to now handle one of the most difficults thing i've had to do in this job, and that is the news nbc announced tonight about brian williams being suspended for six months. i want to read the nbc news
smaller note to us at nbc saying -- >> this is so difficult for me. i couldn't be more bias. i like brian. he's a friend of me. bill carter, you're here because we need an objective outside view of this. what is your reaction to those statements tonight? >> well i mean it's disturbing and it's sad. it's disturbing because they obviously found a lot that makes this serious. when we first heard about it we
thought maybe he just did some embellishment, but i think this is a sign that there's something very serious and maybe consistent. and so they had to take some action. i agree with you, i like brian enormously. he's really good at his job, i have enormous respect for him. he's been a very important person at nbc news so it's a tremendous blow. >> i've had the occasion i remember in 2000 at the republican commission in philadelphia, brian is anchoring in this chair, i'm sitting beside him for quite a long time marveling at his skills in this job, which involves so many things and so many -- he had so many quick and extemporaneous issues that came up with that he had to deal with. i don't know what to make of the whole thing. you i've been pulling for him, and i'm not going to analyze this story -- is capable from
analyzing from any other than a friend's basis. we're lucky we have someone like lester holt at nbc to occupy that chair. >> there's a question as to the institution of nbc news and its anchor and where the division is. he's had this title of managing editor in addition to being anchor. he's overall responsible for the overall content on nbc "nightly news." the initial decision to take him off the air for a few days before the six-month suspension brian announced it was him making that decision for himself, as managing editor of his own broadcast. to hill's own point as to what this decision implies about what nbc news found, that's going to be very interesting. obviously, nbc news has a responsibility to correct any misstatements made on their air, if they were made -- if they were presented as news and they weren't. anything that was false must be
corrected by the news division. things that brian said about himself, not in a news delivering capacity are a much grayer area in terms of what the responsibility is of the news division, both with division and to correct them. that's why i wish we had more information what was behind this decision. >> i think they're working on it. i spoke to a combat veteran friday night someone who lost a limb in combat. he said i'm pulling for brian. i know a lot of people who come out of these situations and their stories aren't exactly straight and he just said it's not -- talking about war stories. so any way, i've heard real sympathy for him out there. i just think it's such a difficult case and so strange and mostly shocking. i still haven't processed the shock of it.
>> it's really shocking. as an employee of this company, i'm quite upset about it as you are. as a journalist, sort of outside of the bit, looking at how they decided to handle it, look, people are going to take potshots for nbc for the decisions they made. i think this was an appropriate way the deal with this. so many days we've been watching twitter, facebook he stays or he goes. when they came one this decision, i thought it was odd. then i thought, that's probably the right way to go. it's very serious. he's been taken off the air which is an anchorman's oxygen. and it's saying his career here has been worth something. >> we don't know why they made this decision. the only thing they said is what brian said himself, the thing he said on the broadcast on "nightly news" was incorrect. we don't know if the "other
comments" were war stories or not. nbc has done something serious, but we don't know whether or not it is appropriate, because we don't know what they found. >> the fact checking needs to go on and the audience deserves an answer. >> i'm frustrated by the fact we don't know more. >> devin is a writer -- >> what are we doing? >> he's one of the brilliant writers for hbo and we invited him to discuss the biggest news of the night, which was jon stewart deciding he was going to leave. and half hour later, i really want to get on to what happened at comedy central today and what this means in your field. this is a giant situation that's just opened up over there. >> it's weird.
it's obviously a huge thing. i got the call -- i didn't know about the news until i got the call to do this show. >> the whole industry was turned upside down. >> i don't know what's going on. so yeah it's all -- it's weird. it's very weird. you know the first thought is who is going to replace him? how are you going to fill those shoes? >> look at john oliver. look what happened that's who replaced him, and they went right inside the building. so inside the building right now, they have samantha jason, al, we've got pictures up here and could you put rachel maddow's head shot up there. have you had any calls from
them? >> no not unless they're going to do anything about owls in salem, oregon. >> do you want to take a big bow for the writers of these shows? because one of the things that john oliver taking the chair shows is that he was working with hall of fame writers, so the quality of the show really held on. >> yeah i mean it's funny. when we started doing last week tonight, i did have this initial sort of -- this is a nervousness doing a new show like that. but i always go back to the fact that oh, no, he's done this. he's slipped stuff right into stewart's shoes and bangs it out and was great. so yeah i don't know, that kind of goes away when i think of that. >> does "the daily show" go away? >> no. >> it's just a before. >> craig kilborn. >> "the daily show" is the
franchise and jon took it over. that's his show but "the daily show" is going to go on and they will find another host. they're good at that, very good at that. they put stephen colbert on. i think they'll find the right host, but replacing him is an enormous task. i don't envy the guy or the woman. >> let's listen to what is now in so poignant moment in his fresh air interview where he talked about what would happen if he left.
>> so kevin, that means he's home tonight missing it like crazy. and tomorrow he's going to try to grab it right back. >> i think he'll be gone for like five seconds. >> can i book you for my show tomorrow? >> colbert leaves he takes over for letterman. what is letterman doing? >> i thought you were going to say brian williams. >> that's a probability. i think you're trying to ask me to do it. >> and beth jon stewart changed politics. there was a time when -- in
washington, the calculation was, if johnny carson did three consecutive -- if he did three consecutive jokes about a politician, he was dead. it turned out the rule got broken when bill clinton brought into his 1992 campaign, you know, disaster stuff with scandals and sex scandals. and johnny went up and did something like eight clinton jokes in a row. inside politics, people went that's it, it's over. i thought, well that's it. i used that math. >> remember this who is -- allegedly the first choice to make over "meet the press" in? it was jon stewart. that is a sign comedy has done a
better job covering politics. >> particularly people who don't pay attention to the regular news his show became a de facto news cast for people under 30. >> that's the real danger. if he goes will his replacement have the ability to bring a different audience to the news and to treat news as something to expos and make fun of rather than come one this high handled approach that's been the traditional way to do it? >> my sense is their laughs are working off of a base of news knowledge that they have before they get to your show. some of these jokes wouldn't work if they didn't know a lot already because they get to your show. >> yeah i mean i don't think the audience shows up and then oh, this is something i never heard of before. i think you're watching the show because you're always interested in these topics. so yeah, the audience wants to hear more about it.
there's already sort of an understanding and they just -- they're kind of we want to know more. how can you make this funny for us? how can you make us enjoy this? >> i think that what's really important to the humor and the influence is the credibility of the show. "the daily show" and other comedy central shows that do the news, do corrections when they get stuff wrong. they're credible. they bring you stuff that you can take to the bank, even if it has a lot of fart jokes in the middle of it. >> if a politician said anything on a video in high school, they find it and they are as good at that as anybody. >> jon stewart going home ladies and gentlemen. dressed exactly as a friend of mine who was at the show the other night said a friend of mine ran into i don't know in the hallway and didn't recognize
him. jon said yeah, i dress like a child. rachel, true confession time. do you watch "the daily show" as i do and look at certain things that they do and think, oh if we could ever do it that way? >> i also think like i can't believe it did it first. now i can never do it because i can't do it like that. it's the opportunity cost with him getting to something before i had a chance to try to do it in a one mini version of what he could do. listen they don't have the constraints of a news show. they pick whatever they want and talk about it for as long as they want within the 30 minutes. moment of zen or not, time to go. you're not doing seven segments. they do seasons. they take hiatus. but when they do news segments, they're better than us. their production value, their credibility and the sense of
humor and the swearing. >> they comment on the media better than anyone. >> yes, they do. and we all live in fear of those comments. we're going to take a quick break. one of the creator is going to join us next. if you're taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief
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>> [ bleep ] just got real. santa is just white. and who are you actually talking to? children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10:00 at night, yet innocent to still believe santa claus is real yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn't white. [ applause ] that's such a narrow -- yes, west virginia, there is a santa claus. >> kevin, it's so surfacefascinated to watch his comedy skills develop. that take he did at the end of the video was something he didn't have refined to that level when he started that show. >> that's one of those things -- that's part of feeling out your audience and comes with years of
knowing what the crowd wants to see from you. and knowing what they're all thinking too. because i was watching that clip going, what the hell? what's going on here? he's brilliant at that sort of taking -- he knows the audience and what they want to hear. >> we're joined by phone by liz, one of the creators of "the daily show." liz, here we are, one of the gigantic crossroads for the show that you created. the first host of the show was craig kilborn? >> that's correct. >> he did about two years, and then jon stewart came in and very -- how quickly do you think jon stewart made it his own? >> i think once jon realized -- i have a really bad cold guys. >> we figured that out as soon as i heard your voice.
>> i think once jon realized he didn't have to be craig and he could be himself, that's when he really could settle into his own and what jon did with the show that i think is brilliant is when it was craig, the show was, for lack of a better way to put it more like colbert. because there was no voice of the people. everybody was in character. so what jon did was, he was the voice of all of us, and he surrounded himself by the fools that he perceived as the media do and then he could play the voice of reason. it was so brilliant and it allowed him to do exactly what you were all talking about, which was to be accurate, to show the hypocrisy, and to take on the media itself. >> and jon stewart did not become the highest rated comedian in late night, but he
did become by an order of magnitude, the highest paid. i remember being quite shocked to discover that little old comedy central was capable of paying more than nbc, more than abc, more than jay, more than dave. >> if you think about what jon did for comedy central, they had "south park" and other franchises. but boy, did he put that network on the map. and then he got colbert. colbert was on the show but he turned him into a star and built another show. so now they had an hour four nights a week that was really strong and the demos got strong young audiences. so that's so valuable. basically, he was the signature start of that network. >> he's done a great job of that executive half hour he's the one that said it should be larry. he's doing a fantastic job of building just beyond "the daily show." >> it takes the right amount of
ego and the right amount of adulthood and charity to be willing to be a launching pad for everybody else's great careers, right? to see colbert not only be successful on "the colbert report" but to make the leap he's making to cbs, to spin off with larry, to spin off with jon. to have launched so many other people into doing similar but its unique work speaks well to him just in terms of his eye and his maturity his willingness to be a good guy. >> the maturity to have the patience to let something develop so that you can really make pin point decisions. know that great jokes should be thrown out, because they don't fit in the tone of the show. even waiting until stephen was ready and grown. stephen probably could have launched his show even six months before he did, but they
waited until the exact right time for a seamless flow. patience in this business is just so incredibly patience and can make all the difference in the world. i think that is just one of the greatest things that he's done. >> i want to take a look at one of his more serious moments. there have certainly be many and usually under difficult circumstances. but i want to see something more recent this year what he said after the eric garner decision. >> i -- i -- i don't know. i honestly don't know what to say. if comedy is tragedy plus time i need more [ bleep ] time. but i would really settle for less [ bleep ] tragedy to be honest. i think what is so utterly depressing is that none of the ambiguities that existed in the '30s exist in the staten island case. and yet the outcome is exactly the same. no crime, no trial, all harm, no foul.
>> that's what i love about that. i think that in his heart he felt like i don't know what to say. then in fact, he did find what to say. >> right. but he didn't try to apply any humor or satire. that's why it stood out. it was a genuine moment that was absent the jon stewart, you know, dig that he normally gives. another thing i was thinking watching that, even the segment before that we bumped in on was the very mature view that jon stewart had early on the show had to make things very oriented towards social media. these segments you don't have to stay up until 11:00 to watch the show. you could get up the next morning, everybody is posting it on facebook or talking about it on twitter. so it was on and on and on and for a tv producer you want everybody to watch the show when it takes place, but for this material, it lives on and on and
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but no one seems to know what these allegations are about. have you been able to learn any of the specifics? >> it is a great story. it's the type of story the reporter waits his entire career to not be able to report on. excuse me i've been invited to a grouse hunting party. it's just a few dozen men, some stable boys all of us in kilts naturally. [ laughter ] drinking a few yards of ale. here's the fun part, jon, whoever shoots the -- [ laughter ] whoever shoots -- [ laughter ] whoever shoots the fewest grouse has to go through the spanking machine. [ laughter ] >> i have to tell you, that tore
story, or what i heard of it sounds pretty gay. >> not gay, jon. aristocratic. it's a different culture than ours. >> what i love about it there's stephen colbert, who then proves himself years later to be the most person in character player that you could have who never cracks about anything and he can't hold it together. >> and when he can't hold it together, he just lets him go. like i'm not going to rescue you, you go. that's one of those clips where, you know what? the underappreciated factor here is the live audience. no matter how funny anybody else is in news nobody else has a live audience like this. and it matters so much because they become this basically fourth wall so you know what you think is funny is funny. it gives you permission to laugh and it gives them away to play so many more of their talents.
it's so effective. >> kevin, there's a day which that live audience they're kind of like your co-writers. you write it and deliver it to them and they kind of make a declaration how important that line was as you move on. >> they'll tell you on the spot. hey, a little more of this a little more of that. there's something too about watching colbert break like that, because there's a guy who -- he's constantly in character and constantly being that guy and to see him lose it like that. it's weird, because jon is just being jon. but every once in a while, it's fun for the audience to see stephen be super honest. that was the fun thing about watching those guys. >> beth the thing that jon stewart kept doing time and time again, in our politics was just finding that thing, in a candidate, that maybe we were on the verge of noticing but hadn't quite noticed yet.
and then that became the comedy hook that everybody was using. >> that relates to what i was saying before somewhat everybody would send around was like, jon stewart perfectly scoured -- fill in the blank, barack obama, john boehner, michele bachmann. he always thought of it first. everybody shared it and said this is what i was thinking. >> case in point, lindsey graham attempting to run for president this year. one of the main reasons he can't seriously run for president is because everybody on the age of 40 only knows the way jon stewart talks about lindsey graham. once you're gerald ford who falls down the steps whether or not you did fall down once that character is more powerful than your persona, forget it. >> liz when shows become a
giant hit like this and come to this historic moment in the show, it's interesting to look back and at all the giant mistakes that could have been made including just the question of a live audience. was there ever any doubt? that might be tricky. >> let me tell you that we launched without a live audience. >> oh, my goodness. >> and that lasted about a minute and a half. it lasted for, i think, three shows. >> liz, were you standing off stage trying to laugh very loud so the mikes would pick you up? >> you know i could stand here and laugh really loud and the mikes could pick me up. but it was such death right away, that we scrambled in an audience and it made a gigantic difference. but back to your point about those guys picking out that moment or that piece.
i'm going to let you off the hook slightly on that, because their job is to find that and your job is to find the news. that's where the differentiation part is they have all day to look for the foible and explore it for a story. and they do it brilliantly. you know it's the luxury of being aible to look through a lens that is part news and part sort of looking, scratching the underbelly and seeing who is behind the curtain. >> we're going to take a break. when we come back we'll come back with a little piece that's going to show you how important new jersey was to this show. you're going to love this.
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okay hunter walker here is the new jersey moment. it was not on the show. it was nonon "the daily show." it's my favorite jon stewart moment not on "the daily show" and one of his most beautiful pieces of writing, at the rally to restore sanity in washington, d.c. and gave us an example of how people could get along. it was unique and born of new jersey life experience. let's watch this. >> look on the screen. this is -- this is where we are. this is who we are, these cars. that's a schoolteacher that thinks taxes are too high. he's going to work.
there's another car. a woman with two small kids, can't think about anything else right now. there's another car swinging i don't know even you can even see it. [ laughter ] a lady is in the nra and loves oprah. there's another car, investment banker, gay, also likes oprah. another car is a latino carpenter. another car, a fundamentalist vacuum salesman. mormon jay zee fan. but this is us! every one of the cars that you see is filled with individuals of strong beliefs and principles they hold dear. often principles and beliefs in opposition to their fellow travelers. and yet these millions of cars must find a way to squeeze one by one into a mile-long, 30-foot wide tunnel carved underneath a mighty river.
carved by people by the way, who i am sure had their differences. and they do it concession by concession. you go then i'll go you go then i'll go. you go then i'll go. oh, my god, is that an nra sticker on your car? is that an obama sticker on your car? that's okay, you go, then i'll go. >> hunter the you go then i'll go it was new jersey poetry. i was watching it on c-span that day and the monitors were up and the video of the cars you could watch the cars making that decision every time he said you go then i'll go. it was really beautiful. and kevin, you'll like this, i spoke to a writer friend i know. he said that was all jon. jon wrote that. >> i had so many friends that were at that rally. for my generation they've really had an emotional connection to jon stewart. one thing we haven't touched on yet today, we saw this new media
revolution in the middle part of the last decade. this so-called fake news where he brought in his opinion, he brought in his personal perspective and some humor, he was doing that before the blogosphere and the other news media followed suit. >> and we're joined by harry enton. you didn't have to live through the decades of tv that didn't have this jon stewart that i lived through, which is being played against constantly in these shows, whether it's conscious or subconscious, but your reaction to the big news? >> all my friends watch jon stewart. the median age for most television programs are near 60%. jon stewart is one of the few shows on television where the
plurality identify as liberal. so this is much bigger news than say brian williams being suspended. this is huge news for my generation. >> do you have conservative friend friends? i have republican friends who tell me about jon stewart bits all the time. >> let's face it he does have an audience that skews more liberal. one would imagine he's fairly liberal. but the fact that he goes after the media, he'll make fun of the president when he deserves it. he was the roommate of anthony weiner. he was right there in the mist of it. he would say look, i'm friends with the guy but he creeped me out. he calls truth and that's what people like. >> david axelrod was apparently the guest on the show tonight, because he does so many book interviews. he tweeted -- just had the honor
of being jon stewart's guest where he announced he's leaving. emotional night. i can imagine the emotional night it is over there. he said i'm going to leave later this year, several months later. how will that change the working atmosphere there knowing this will end? >> i would imagine, it's going to slowly hit -- the reality will slowly hit the writers and production staff, but i think it's going to make people you know, these guys are going to want to sort of crank out the best shows they can. i would imagine it would galvanize and energize the staff and make them hey, better funnier, let's just keep doing what we're doing. when it's going, it's just going to be weird. if i'm a writer i want to write the best stuff i've ever written for him.
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here is jon stewart's first show after 9/11. >> good evening, and welcome to "the daily show." we are back. this is our first show since the tragedy in new york city and i am -- there is no other way to start this show than to ask you at home the question we asked the audience here tonight and that we've asked everybody that we know here in new york since september 11, and that is, are you okay? and we pray that you are, and that your family is. they said to get back to work and there were no jobs available for a man in the fetal position under his desk crying. [ laughter ] which i gladly would have taken. we've had an unenduring pain
here and unendurable pain and i just -- i wanted to tell you why i grieve. but why i don't despair. >> kevin, i'm not sure who could have handled that somebody who grew up in the region living and working in new york at the time. >> yeah he was sort of a guy we were all looking to do help bring us back from that. what is he going to say and do? it's also the mark of a great comedian to be as real as that and still, you know and still keep his audience with him, still not weird out the audience, like is this going to be awkward? like we're okay with him to be honest and open himself up like that. >> liz, the show you created is now in what its 17th 18th career, "the daily show." once they get that host in place, maybe another 17 years.
[ laughter ] >> yeah and i think that -- i just feel really happy that i could just know jon could take it to where it is. and john oliver showed that you can put a new voice on a new host and with talented writers, you know audiences, they're always a little uncomfortable and have to get used to a new person. but the trajectory that the show took with jon at the helm has opened it up to be a vehicle that the right person can just carry on and create its own new chapter. i'm excited about it. >> hunter this may be one of those moments where we thought how much we needed jon stewart and then he said he's leaving and it's worse than we thought. >> i don't think we've seen the
last of him, but the big question colbert set the bar with his finale. what is jon stewart going to do? >> that's the perfect note to end that's it. chris hayes is up next. >> tonight on "all in." >> you know, i -- i'm not in favor of gay marriage. >> a barack obama bomb shell. >> the president does oppose same sex marriage. president bush lied the country into a war and now we know that president obama lied about same sex marriage. >> he got the president to oppose marriage equality to get elected. and breaking news. "the daily show with jon stewart" is losing jon stewart. and as the measles fight continues, the vaccination fight comes to d.c. >> is there any scientific evidence that giving their kids