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project project. >> there was everybody else, and then eddie murphy alone. good even frging from new york. isis is expanding it's base from iraq and syria. the title a message signed with blood to the nation of the cross. it has all of the hallmarks of the others. this abeers to take place on the coast of libya. 1,000 miles from isis held territory. it appears to show 21 beheadings last night. the egyptian military says they
conducted air strikes for the revenge of the blood of egyptians. in the wake of those attacks the libyan media is reporting that 35 egyptians were kidnapped today in an area controlled by isis and other militants. the country has descended into chaos and on going civil war. the secular one, and islamic government that rules from the capital of tripoli. in those two camps are various militias. if that sounding familiar, it follows the trajectory of isis in iraq and syria. the parallels are striking. in libya and syria, you have men that build their-- but there has been
one key difference in the way these two conflicts have panned out. in libya, the u.s. and allies intervened intervened, a new air campaign turning against forces and leading to defeat. in syria calls from critics and at times his own administration he resisted getting the military involved in efforts to overthrow al assad. some how, they appear to converge in the same chaotic and brutal end result. raising questions as we have debate about a authorization for military force about the u.s.'s ability to affect outcomes at
all. joining me now is aiman. there was an intervention, a benghazi attack. what do we make of what libya is now? when we think about how the obama administration has managed the arab spring? >> the short answer to both of those comparisons is they have one thing in common they're both failed states. the under lying message is the approach in the early stages of the engagement how long and how committed do they stay in that process to make sure that the state does not collapse. what we saw in libya was yes there was a central government that was a dictatorship that controlled the territory and the people underneath it. in the wake of the uprising and
the nato liberation and campaign, to help the rebels, there was a disengagement following that and the benghazi attack. they want today see the central government kind of exert itself. >> do critics of the intervention to begin with who said that is a bad idea. part of the criticism was you have not proven yourself, particularly committed or adept at any kind of nation building or sun taned commitment. don't blow things up if you don't have follow through. >> the question that was we systematically have struggled to answer is what about the day after. the next day. who is in charge? who will build this up? who will create the capacity of a central government to address all of these issues. there was no answer in 2011, no clear answer at the time of the nato intervention.
this is something that a lot of strong men in the region point at. they say you have an answer for the short term, but what will you do the day after? it scared the community into action. the alternatives that started to appear really scared the international community. some of them were islamists some isis, and as a result there was a parallyzing. >> very little dangble democratic flowering tunisia is the only one. what about the theory that whatever we do, it's not our story to tell, and we are fundamentally unable to impose any kind of shape on the
outcome. >> i would say the words of the outgoing u.s. secretary of defense, chuck hagel who says the influence in the middle east is waning. it does not have the same kind of clout it used to with the ability to shame outcomes on the ground. it doesn't mean they don't have tremendous influence, but it's not with the same ease it used to be. we're seeing governments collapse, decentralize, and the traditional mode of communication that the u.s. had to rely on is no longer concentrated in the hand of one individual. but it has not panned out the way they planned. yemen is different from libya behran, they struggled as well. at the end of the day the under lying current is the biggest challenge for the united states. how do you deal with all of these things that are merged to
the surface. >> the critics are saying we should have pushed this button, and i'm thinking maybe there is just no button to push. >> there is no formula or cookie cutter approach. >> thank you aiman, always a pleasure. >> my pleasure. >> it shows isis setting um outside of their bounds in syria. the group is expanding beyond it's base to establish militant affiliates affiliates. there is support from a couple hundred people. to what extent they're just seeking to capitalize on the branding of isis. new features in the march much
of "the atlantic" saying that isis subscribed to a coherent i'd ideology from a reading of islam. joining me now is graeme wood. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> you talk about it basically being a kind of apocalypse look. >> yes you can see that it's not just one of the rhetorical modes that isis uses it is really the only one. it was laced with apacalypic messages. >> one of the things that i learned from the article, they talk about a warning to rome,
that actually this final confrontation, end of day battles happens in syria. >> it is the sight of a major show down battle that will happen. the crusaders will be defeated and rome will fall to the islamic state. >> there seem to be -- i'm not there. i'm not reporting from the ground there but from all that i have been reading and talking to people who are there, there is sort of two things happening right? there is the kind of propaganda wing, the ideology and then there are sunni militants. i wonder how much it is fused together and how much we know. >> they're closely connected. you certainly have a lot of so
sophistication sophistication. and you also have, as you say, a lot of political currents of sunnis in a region where sunnis for the last few years have gotten the short end of the stick. >> the question that is posed what does isis want? they want war and they want to fight everyone. that sees what is their destiny to do, it makes them bigger. you're thinking what are they doing here? do they want to send the warend the war, and the answer is yes. >> yes all of the videos it is goading the united states and nato into attacking them. they want their propaganda confirmed. there is a war happening between muslims and the rest of the
world. and if they have boots on the ground in syria, they will have exactly what they say they're going to get. >> part of the major distinction in terms of their rivalry with al qaeda that has been bloody and violent is the fact that they have territory they are controlling, which is part of their branding advantage to international jihadis right? al qaeda has the ideology and we're doing it. we're cutting off hands. we're bringing it back. >> al qaeda was an under ground terrorism network that never controlled territory really. so what they're saying is we have space that we can implement law in and that is one of the criteria. al qaeda never thought they would achieve it in the life of osama bin laden, and now sure
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in addition to a robust strategy, i think we need a robust organization. >> i think there is skepticism. >> he is talking about the things he won't do. he is drawing it into next year. >> i think we should not restrain the president of the united states. the congress has the power of the purse. if we don't like what the commander in chief is doing, we can cut off his pursestrings. i think making it more difficult it unconstitutional. >> some of that criticism may or may not be true on the merits of war making, well get to that in a moment. but it is hard to square with a moment that spent much of the last six years talking about barack obama as an imperial president most notably with his
regard to executive actions. >> one of the most disturbing patterns we have seen is lawlessness of president obama. >> the executive cannot make exceptions and just force the laws he or she wants. that's not who we are as a people. we left monoarches to come here. >> he is not an imperial president and lawlessness will not be accepted with the american people. it's not a fight with the republicans, it's a fight with the people that founded this republic republic. >> he could not say i'm going to suspend their operations for a period of time. our founding fathers knew this history well. the more the president acts outside of the bounds of his powers, the harder it is to achieve a solution. >> this is part of the republican party, a deep
distrust of government authority and excessive government and an embrace of government at it's most invasive. joining me now is michael steele former chairman of the republican national committee. is there a concontradiction? >> there is a little. it is a difference between a president taking executive action in the place of congress and the congress wanting to give the president as much authority as he can have to act. i think that is where the fine line in the two debates rests. >> here is the wrinkle though, let's keep in mind the president is using this interpretation of the 2001 amf, and i did not here a people from the constitutionalists in the republican party that want to
reign in him. >> that is a very broad aumf. there is constitutionalists and drms like you mind that the president has the authority from 2002. he doesn't need to come to this congress to ask for an aumf. what he wants to do is narrow the scope of the prior aumf, and eliminate it, that is more tailors and has limits that the ranking member in the house and in the senate armed services committee saying he does not exception the limitation of three years. everyone acknowledges it does not last three years. >> wait a second this is crazy -- >> that's not the way congress is looking at it. >> this is crazy to me. the debate is we need to declare endless war and perpetuity how dare you has matter of
constitution and accountability put a time limit on a military engagement. >> what if it takes 30 years to defeat isis, are we saying sorry, kids, we're fighting isis for another 30 years. >> but that's insane. >> it is, but look the government has to deal with the requirement in front of them. you can't walk away from the battlefield because you don't like the timeline. you have an enemy, you just spent 15 minutes talking about the tanger erdanger we fate -- face. >> just because your enemy wants to get in a fight doesn't mean you have to too. this is the question that i think they asking mr. president, where do you draw the line for
this fight. are we having it here, there and what does that mean. >> here is what i would say to you in return. if this is the idea, we need to be prepared for a generational struggle against these murders. if that is the idea, fine. everyone who wants that it may be open, go around and tell the american people that is what's on the table, right? be honest in that way. prepare yourselves for -- we had 13 years of war, 14 years of war, prepare for another -- >> a relatively small sliver, i this isis controls more than a small sliver of the territory they have taken. this is the reality you have watched. syria fall lebanon get engaged. you have an expansive approach taken by this enemy. now i think there is great cause and effect for the u.s. to
actually lead with others. not by itself. i think that is a big -- should be a big part of this aumf as well. the reality of it is the president is looking to narrow the scope the congress will give him the same or more broad authority that 2002 had. >> if we have an open ended military commitment fighting isis, we should be clear about that. it is president's day. that means it is time to rank the best and worst presidents that the founder has had since our founding. because when nutritious tastes this delicious i don't miss the other stuff. meta health bars help promote heart health. experience the meta effect with our multi-health wellness line. ♪ ♪ automotive innovation starts... right here. with a control pad that can read your handwriting, a wide-screen multimedia center, and a head-up display for enhanced driver focus.
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you might have won that because i don't have a beard. and when i do, it comes in patchy. you know, governor romney keeps mentioning this five-point plan. but where is it what are these five points. bam, that's my plan. >> i have a one point plan for you. >> president obama put your finger down. >> the best thing about my plan is you can sit on it and spin. >> there is so many great fake presidents. here are the rankings of the actual presidents. it has lincoln, washington fda. and bill clinton making the top
ten. andrew jackson makes the top ten, questionable. barack obama is sandwiches between bush senior and james polk. there are categories like the worst. john's deep seated commitment to excite supremacy ended up giving back a large share of what would have been accomplished in the civil war. in 1996 the "new york times" magazine a long time historyian asked 32 historians to rate the presidents for where they belonged. at the same time a different
team of researchers asked had 44 black signists. they put them in different categories. great job at 4:00 p.m. today, part of it is a framework. how do we come to it. lincoln is the greatest president because he passed the ultimate teskt and moral matter. when we talk about presidents and where they stand it is impossible to leave race for very long. >> you can't, i think the set up was great here. when you ask black political scientists versus white political scientists it is very
different how we view presidential leadership. it is useful to have a different kind of framework that looks at presidents for things like did they expand or retract the democracy. >> there is two ways did big stuff, right? things that get wilson and jackson in the case even if in the case of jackson it is a campaign of ethnic cleansing. and then there is a question of expanding -- i think that is an interesting metric. how do we think about it in relation to expanding the circumference of democracy in the u.s. >> and making the united states hold up to their documents that were written by slave owners. are you going the route that expands democracy? or are we going to retrench our
democracy and quick people out? >> do you have a favorite or a sleeper? >> i do i'm a fellow at the roosevelt institute so i'm a big fan of fdr but lbj is my favorite. >> why? >> he expanded -- you could argue he made america a true democracy for the first time in allowing people the right to vote. people who were supposed to be citizens, he through the voting rights act of course there was a movement behind him, but he and presidential power, he expanded the democracy for african-americans and other grews. he built on a roosevelt legacy. >> it's interesting to think about how johnson is evaluated. the further we get from the vietnam war, the more his stock rises. the war, the things he accomplished is still with us and the war is passed.
at the time it would have been inconceivable for two liberals to say lbj -- >> he was hated. hated. >> yeah, but from the war on poverty, the '64 civil rights act, the '65 civil rights act. all of these things expanded democracy for all of the citizens in this country. >> barack obama, 18th. it is sort of hard to tell before they have finished. i think there is grading on the curve of what he inherited. >> yes, but you have to consider what -- we're in war. you know essentially we're -- he is about to get authorization. so that will be part of his legacy. but when you look at the other side, the question again did he expand democracy for excluded
groups? yes. and building on johnson's legacy providing health insurance for millions of americans -- >> i think his domestic agenda will be in the top five. >> his ranking will shoot up i think. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> edward norton will be here to talk about last night on "saturday night live." ♪ [epic music] ♪ introducing aleve pm... the pm pain reliever. that dares to work
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brought together. these people whose schedules are insane, did you rehearse? >> there is like everybody else who was involved and then eddie murphy along. wrangling that along. >> did you understand that moment, the eddie murphy moment? a lot of people -- i didn't understand it. >> i thought it was great, i thought he was very gracious. i think you can't say it better than chris rock said it. some people said something later like why did they put such focus on that, but anybody that grew up on snl everything that chris said was really true. even within the enormous eddiface and institution "snl" was, for a lot of people he was a seismic shift and reinjection of excitement into that. >> it is funny because i didn't know the story of basically how
he saved "snl" until chris rock's monologue. i went to the wik iipedia page. i liked him in a lot of ways. i think when someone like eddie murphy comes out and just says i'm proud of this and happy to be here, sometimes it's so nice when people are not always on they just -- i love that sincerity, too. >> it was an extremely human moment. >> yeah, it was great. it was -- to even have participated around the fringes of the institution of "snl" in a way is a privilege. you feel like you have been let into that -- a company that is really special in some ways. and they always for people who are not the core of that
they -- lauren michaels has created an incredibly generous -- i think there has always been -- people on that show say thank you to each other. they -- i can't explain it. they really lift each other up and they lift you up and they make you feel like you can do it. >> in some ways it is sort of -- there is no way it gets run anyways, they're asking people to come and take a huge risk right? yeah -- yes, yes they ask you to do something that is different in the modern age of tv. it is a real throwback it has special magic and it still comes through in an age where everything can be rewound and
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>> you are having a boy. >> how do you kneel? >> well i'm thrilled. i'm terrified actually. i feel ready to be a parent but being a father to a son is not just being a parent. it means bringing a boy into manhood. a place that i feel so far from myself. >> i spoke with david who wrote "my own man" and it explores what it means to be a father and a man. also with us is edward norton, executive producer on that film and his narrator. >> i was at a point in my life where i suddenly felt like i wasn't where i wanted to be in my life, and i felt like i
needed to make a big change. someone said to me i think you might be afraid of your own masculinity. >> my wife and i talk about this all of the time. there is the old models that have been taken away and new models are sort of still forming. and even the difficult logistic logistical things. which person in this relationship is going to do something for the other person's job. it's a question now, right? >> we're not in charge anymore. men share everything with women in the workplace and at home. my mother went to a fantastic university and when they all graduated they were expected to stay home and they did. her daughter grew up in an entirely different worm. and we're sharing it in ways that is inconceivable for my
parents. >> what drew you to the film? >> it struck me that it was that rare thing that i like the most in all kinds of work is that it was very personal to him. he took the impulses he had as a filmmaker and applied them to something i could tell was a deep personal exploration. i always think those kinds of films are the riskiest, but when they work the best. >> you end up, this is like intensely personal a lot of it is about your relationship with your father and you end up exposing yourself emotionally. >> i can say we're trained not to be vulnerable. >> actors talk about, i think really great actors even in the course of a career, actors get more and more comfortable with stripping away more and more, and being more naked in some sense, more -- and i think that
in this era of reality television which is the furthest thing from reality. it's a highly managed highly image projected, the people on reality to television that are playing to camera, it only highlights how difficult it is in real documentary film to explore personal narrative and have it come across with sincerity. have it come across as something that is an authentic conversation with self. that is one of the things that i think is very masterful able the film. >> and one of the things in your life caring for a small human, it strips a lot out of you when you're dealing with vomit at 3:00 a.m. it forces you to become present.
>> the thing that is interesting is david was asking prior to even the question of fatherhood and the urgency that drove he was already asking, i think, a hot of lot of questions that are very topical to our conversation. people talk about a film like "fight club," or "boyhood" that is out, what does modern adulthood look like? and our generation relative to our parents have embraced some of the homes of adult onhood, that i think a lot of people of our generation relate to reluctantly moving into adulthood and having to confront a version of it that is very different.
even before parenthood came in, what i thought was very universal is he was asking questions about how we define ourselves as men that are very tangible to a lot of people our age. "my own man" on netflix. the rachel maddow starts now. thank you for joining us. tonight is the night of our supreme court justice ruth baeder-ginsburg interview tonight. i'm so excited. here, today, i should tell you as in most of the country today has been very very cold. to the point of uncomfort. record breaking cold. boston is now buried in more than eight feet of snow. places like kentucky, virginia, and