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to have as a pet or i can buy them for -- >> meat. they are already dressed and cleaned. >> i butcher the babies when they reach four or five months old. >> that's good. >> you see if you butcher the older ones like these guys they are stewers. they are not fryers and a lot of people like flyers more than the stewers. >> that makes sense. >> i keep my own personal stock and when my babies get four or five months old and i have 15 20 babies you have you have to get rid of them sway. if you don't sell them as pets you have to get rid of them as meat. >> pets or meat. that is obviously michael moore being amazing. we know according to a new scoop in "new york times" on the and-old question of pets or meat when it comes to pets or meat jeb bush is a meat man. we know that because on this letter on bright yellow paper
was from the commercial american rabbit association. i'm developing a business plan for the domestic market of rabbit meat. i would value your assistance with a u.s. liaison. this person met him at a bush fund-raiser in 1985 hand delivered this letter saying help me out with my rabbit meat plan. i need contacts in the federal government in washington. thanks to the "new york times" digging that letter out of the george h.w. bush archives we know that jeb bush hooked the rabbit meat lady up. look at what he said. dear senior adviser to the vice president of the united states who happens to be my dad, tom, can you get me a name at usda to help out the rabbit meat lady? sends the note. the son of the vice president of the united states wants a rabbit meat contact in the federal government well that's what he gets. within less than a week. look. this is the letter from the office of the vice president on
office of the vice president stationary seeking a federal referral for the rabbit meat lady. good thing she went to that fund-raiser, right? here's a phone log from the followup conversation with jeb bush. see the hand-written notation on the right. it says rabbit meat usda. that's the subject of the conversation. here's the response. a representative from the federal government calling the rabbit meat lady directly to make sure she has the contacts she neesd and knows jeb bush took care of her after she hit him up at a fund-raiser. the "new york times" did a deep dive not just to the rabbit meat thing but other evidence that how jeb bush over the course of his lifetime and political career made good news of his family connections. it's remarkable the things large and small that you can get done when you are the grandson of a senator, the brother of another president. it is one thing to have an
amorphous of what the privilege and power must mean but another thing to see the granular thank you notes of it and thanks to his family connections is used to having a ton of pull. thanks to his brother and father and their political contacts. jeb's dad's presidential administration, one of the weirder political knocks they took while he was president is the u.s. senate deciding not once but twice to reject someone who bush supported to be the u.s. attorney in the state of florida. the nominee for the u.s. attorney is a guy when he was he acting u.s. attorney he got admonished by the justice department for the way he ran his office. the attorney general of the united states also had to raid in to this guy's office and take him personally off a
high-profile prosecution because he was not seen as being experienced enough or temperamentally suited enough to handle a high-profile prosecution. so the attorney general of the united states had to step in and take him off of it. he had allegations of domestic violence against him. for those reasons and others besides, the senate rejected this nomination for this guy to be u.s. attorney. rejected it once. but still, for some reason poppy bush kept pushing for this guy and nominated him again. the senate did him the great insult of rejecting his nominee for the second straight time. what was behind the commitment to this guy? we know behind the scenes that jeb bush in florida had been advocating for that guy's nomination forcibly. advocating to his father when he was vice president and president. including pushy letters to top staffers about the nomination. jeb bush went to far when his
father was president, also went to far at one point to make a recommendation to his father as to who should get the next open seat on the supreme court of the united states. he writes a letter to his dad, encloses the guy's ress may and says quote with many people know him in miami. in case that is an important qualification for the supreme court but jeb bush is writing where this recommendation as the president's. writing with to his dad's top advisers about who should be on the supreme court. should the opportunity arise i hope you would give consideration to his promotion to the u.s. supreme court. he did not get nominated to the supreme court despite his son's advocacy to the contrary. poppy bush picked suitor and clarence thomas ann as his nominees to the supreme court. he got to two. since then ever president has gotten two. clinton chose ruth bader
ginsburg and -- president obama so far has chosen sonya sotomayor and kagen. supreme court nominations are the most important things that a president does ever. not every it ration of the supreme court hears brown versus board of education, or bush v. gore or row v. wade. not every it ration of the court hears cases that become household names and change the world drastically and forever. but the supreme court of the united states has breathtaking power on myriad issues. nothing else in government is like it. even right now we're awaiting oral arguments on cases that may eliminate the whole of obamacare in one fail swoop. millions of people losing their health insurance all at once. they could do that. they will hear the oral arguments and rule in the next
few months. another case could legalize same-sex marriage nationwide or not. we're waiting another case that could ban the way that states kill their prisoners now by lethal injection. that's in the next few months. the supreme court is always important and the president's choices of who they would put on the supreme court are among the most important criteria we have when it comes to choosing a president. for example, we with know that jeb bush would have liked peter t. fay for the supreme court. okay. but our supreme court right now has on its plate an unusually large number of really, really consequential cases, all of which will be heard in the next few weeks and decided in the next few months. because of that the opportunity to hear from one of the justices of the supreme court, the opportunity to talk to one of the justices about that work and how they are approaching it and how they feel about politics right now, an opportunity to do that, that's a big deal and a
very rare opportunity. and so without further adieu, i cheer by declare you should stay where you are. because ruth bader ginsburg supreme court justice is the interview right here, next. they questioned, are there still bedtimes out here? (coyote howls) was that... a coyote? and who gets to choose the movie this time? but they never had to wonder if their network could stream it.
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had been in office a little more than three months. all of a sudden it became red alert time inside the white house. news leaked to npr reporter that supreme court justice david suitor was about to retire. he was only 69 years old which is quite young for a supreme court justice. npr got the scoop he was leaving the court and president obama three months in to being president obama is faced with one of those this is not a drill moments. think of that for a moment. your president, you have only been president three months but you alone nominate the next member of the united states supreme court who will then seven for life. few weeks after that brand new president barack obama announced his choice would be sewn ya sotomayor.
here's how she described getting that call. she said this quote, i had my cell phone in my right hand and had my left hand over my chest trying to calm my beating heart literally. the president got on the phone and said judge, i'd like to announce you to be my selection for the next justice of the supreme court. i caught my breath started to cry and said thank you mr. president. sonya sotomayor was his first supreme court appointment but not his last. when john paul stevens his announced his retirement he nominated elaina kag ax n for the seat on supreme court. president obama has so far had two. one big, sometimes awkward question that lingered over the final two years of his presidency is whether he will get another pick as well. the oldest serving member of the
supreme court is ruth bader ginsburg. she is 81. she was appointed by bill clinton in 1993 after a career that included find founding the women's rights movement in the aclu. all the speculation when it comes to ruth bader ginsburg is how much longer does she intend to serve? when you look at ruth bader ginsburg this that way, as 81 years old, somebody that survived a number of health scares including more than one bout with cancer it seems like a logical question to ask and then you hear her speak and hear her opinions on the latest discussions before the supreme court, yeah 81 years of age but ruth bader ginsburg is not only on top of her game but maybe at the height of her game right now. my colleague sat down with her at the supreme court which itself is a fete. and what she got from her was a
wide-ranging fascinating interview that included that magic question how much longer do you plan to keep doing this? watch. >> i know that you have no intention of retiring correct me if i am wrong, anytime soon. i'm wondering what you want your successor to look like. >> my successor will be the choice of whatever president is sitting at that time. i'm concerned about doing the job. once i sense i'm slipping i will step down. because this is a very intense job. it is by far the best and hardest job i have ever had. it takes a lot of energy and staying power to do it right. i will step down i feel i can no longer do the job. >> a lot of people worry about your health. they want to know are you cancer free? how is your health?
>> i had my first cancer bout in 1999. that was colorectal cancer. it was a challenge. it was massive surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, the whole works. then i was fine for ten years, and then in 2009 tiny tumor in my pancreas was detected, very early. and i had surgery for that. so that's 2009 and now it is 2015. so the most recent episode occurred when i was with my personal trainer and suddenly my chest felt so constricted and i broke out in a sweat and it was overwhelmingly nauseous. i said well i stayed up all night last night writing an opinion. so i'm just exhausted. i'll rest for a while.
i was very stubborn. it was blocked right coronary artery. as soon as they put the stent in, i was awake during the procedure. soon as soon as the stent was in place i was fine. no more constriction in my chest. >> other than that, your health. >> other than that it is fine. >> when you were fighting for women's rights, what did you think 2015 would look like? what's the unfinished business we have when it comes to gender equality? >> our goal in the '70s was to end the closed door era. there were so many things that were off limits to women, policing firefighting mining, piloting planes. all of those barriers are gone. stereo typical view of people of the world divided between
home and child caring women and men as breadwinners -- men representing the family outside of the home those stereotypes are gone. so we speak of parent rather than mother and wage earner rather than male breadwinner. that job was an important first step. what's left, what is still with us and harder to deal with is what i call unconscious bias. >> you have been a champion of reproductive freedom. how does it feel when you look across the country and see states passing restrictions that make it inaccessible if not technically illegal. >> it is not inaccessible to women of means and that's a crying shame. we will never see a day when women of means are not able to get a safe abortion in this country.
there are states -- take the worst case suppose it roe v. wade is overruled there are a number of states that will not go back to old ways. >> there is a lot of legislative activity and mostly shutting down clinics. >> who does that hurt? it hurts women who lack the means to go someplace else. the situation with abortion right now -- all the restrictions they operate against the woman who doesn't have freedom to move to go where she is able to get safely what she wants. >> you mentioned if roe v. wade is overturned, how close are we to that? >> this court is highly precedent bound. it could happen but i think it's not a likely scenario. the court has an opportunity to do that some years ago.
and they would not depart from the precedent they had set. they did more than. they gave a reason a rationale that was about snent roe v. wade itself. roe v. wade was as much about a doctor's right to practice his profession as he sees fit. the image was the doctor and a woman standing together. you never saw the woman alone. this is not as much about a doctor's right to practice his profession, but a woman's right to control her life's destiny. i don't want to make any predictions, but precedent is important in this court. >> we will have more of this exclusive interview with justice ginsburg next. please stay with us. the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds
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back with more from our sit down interview with ruth bader ginsburg. she does not do many interviews but she spoke to erin about a wide range of issues. she spoke about women's rights and abortion rights and had a stinging critique of the dysfunction of our current congress, which you will hear in just a moment. she entertained a little lightning round. watch this. >> i wonder justice, if you
could give me just one word that comes to mind when i say a few things. just a fun little game. president obama. >> let's see, french word that means more than sympathetic. it means someone who cares about other people. >> citizens united. >> wrong. >> chief justice roberts. >> i'm most able. >> hobby lobby. >> wrong again. >> you have been dismayed by the court's ruling on women's rights. >> think of the case of the girl who was strip searched. she was in the 8th grade. if you saw the difference between the oral argument and what some of my colleagues thought, the boys in the gym, they had -- and nobody thinks anything of it. >> that is a case in which you changed their minds is what it looks like. >> yes. >> as we live we can learn.
it's important to listen. so i'm very glad that case came out as it did. >> i'm looking at something you wrote in 2003. you said the stain of generations of racial oppression is still visible in our society. i'm wondering how you see the current state of race relations in our country? >> people who think you can wave a magic wand and the legacy of the past will be over are blind. think of neighborhood living patterns. we still have many neighborhoods that are still racially identified. we still have many schools -- even though the days of state-enforced segregation is going on segregation because of
gee gask geographical remains. >> should we be worried that all of those great achievements of the civil rights movements are being rolled back? >> the congress in 1991 restrict i have interpretations of title seven and they passed a bill that changed all of those. at the moment our congress is not functioning very well. the voting rights act was renewed by overwhelming majorities on both sides of the aisle. the current congress is not equipped really to do anything. someday we will go back to having the kind of legislature that we should where members, whatever party they belong to want to make it work and cooperate with each other to see if that will happen. it was that way in 1993 when i
was nominated. there were only three negative votes. my hope and expectation is we will get back to that bipartisan spirit. >> when the time comes, what would you like to be remembered for? >> someone who used whatever talent she had to do her work to the very best of her ability and to help repair tears in her society to do something as my colleague david souter would say outside of myself. i have much more satisfaction for the things i have done for which i was not paid. >> someone who used whatever talent she had to do her work to the very best of her ability and to repair tears in her society. supreme court ruth bader ginsburg. i want to show you one more exchange from this interview. as you may be aware, ruth bader ginsburg has achieved sort 0 of a cult following on-line.
there's a tumblr dedicated to her, complete with notorious rbg t-shirts and notorious r.b.g. memes and at the toos that have popped up here ai and there across the country. erin asked ruth bader ginsburg about people getting ruth bader ginsburg at the toos. watch this. >> i wanted to -- i wondered -- >> i saw that and i thought it was a joke. i thought it was something you pasted on to your arm. i'm disgusted people are really doing that. >> distressed why? >> why would you make something that can't be removed on yourself? it is one thing to make holes that you can -- my grand daughter for a while was wearing a nose ring.
now she is not anymore. but a tattoo you can't remove. >> i think it is because they admire you. this is why. this is the second tattoo i'm aware of. the other has a picture of you and it says "respect the bench." >> a nice sentiment sglmt my face, very distressing. respect the bench, nice sentiment. >> huge congratulations to erin for getting this interview and letting us debut it here. she will be on the last word in the next hour with more on the interview and we will be posting the whole unedited thing on-line. great get by erin. great interview. a lot of other news tonight including this which is the kind of thing that's never good news. today it did happen in the middle of a giant snowstorm. that made it better in terms of the huge fire ball but worst in terms of first responders
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person suffered an inhalation injury from the fire. they have evacuated people within a half mile of the derailment and subsequent explosion and one train car end up in the river. and that some of the crude oil carried by the train has gone in to the river. the local towns around here drink from that river. tonight they have shut down their water intakes in an effort not to send the crude oil and toxins from the spill in to people's showers and kitchen faucets. where this crash happened it is not in a big city but not also in the middle of nowhere. a lot of people took videos of the aftermath and flames and people who talked to reporters about what they saw. i want you to watch this from the nbc affiliate there. their crew is interviewing man about what he saw when the derailment happened. watch what happens as they talk to him. this is incredible. >> we're standing down on the
river bank when we saw the train or a car explode and shot up a mushroom cloud about as high as those, like that. >> did you get a picture of that? man, that's high. >> incredible footage from wsaz in west virginia. reuters is reporting tonight that nine or ten of the cars on the train exploded at intervals of a half an hour. this is not in the middle of nowhere. people live near the railroad tracks and those explosions today. one resident named ruth think
willis collins took this video from the vantage point of the catholic church. you can see people live along these tracks where this happened. it happened as the crash of another train last year over the state line in virginia. same line same route, same kind of tracks. that train last year was carrying crude oil from north dakota along the same line heading for the same storage facility that. is april of last year when that train derailed and exploded and sent rail cars and 20,000 gallons of crude in to the river in virginia. now it is west virginia. we have seen a long lengthening strain of exploding oil trains. one killed 47 people in canada in 2013. few months later, most of castleton, north dakota fled the explosion when oil train crashed and exploded there. there was the crash in
lynchburg, virginia last year the crash today along the same line in west virginia. the federal government has been considering new standards for older tanker cars to make them safer. even if approved the rollout is expected to take 20 years. meanwhile, places like west virginia reporters have been asking for information about the oil trains that have been moving through their communities them state so far refused to let reporters look at that television but you know what every once in a while it is hard to keep the information under wraps because every once in a while an oil train goes off like a giant bomb in the middle of places where people can live and that is something everybody can see. joining us is a resident of boomer, west virginia. he lives very close to where the trains went off the tracks today. this is the view from his house today. thank you for joining us. i apreebt you being with us. >> thank you for calling. >> what did you hear and see earlier when the train derailed?
>> my wife and i were sitting in the living room talking. we heard a sound that sounded like sounded like commercial jet airliner engine over our house. that lasted a few seconds and then heard giant explosion. i went to the window and could see the fire ball. you are looking at my front yard in that video. i thought it was an airliner that crashed. i told my wife to call 911. she tried to call 911 but got a busy signal on the first call and called back and said my husband thinks there's an airline crash. the 911 attendant said no it is a train derailment. we have had over calls. >> mr. fitzwater, how close is your house to where this happened. >> just across the river. we're on one side and the fire is directly across from us. probably maybe a quarter mile. >> do you see these types of oil
trains go down that line frequently? >> yes. primarily coal and oil on those tracks and some chemical cars that travel it as well. >> mr. fitzwater were you evacuated at all or have you been given advice on what you should do because you are so close to where this happened? >> there was an evacuation put forth for boomer and my wife is disabled and hard for us to get out and we are in the middle of one of the biggest snowfalls we have had in stiechlt i made the decision i didn't think it was necessary to leave. we stayed here at the house. luckily we're okay. >> randy fitzwater in boomer, west virginia. good luck to you and your wife. appreciate it. >> thank you. i want to bring in marcus a multimedia reporter for the charleston daily mail which is a great paper. he's at the scene of the derailment and has been speaking
to witnesses. thank you for joining us. >> here at the scene i'm 500 feet away from the train. it's still burning in to the night. you can see flames still shooting out from a couple of the oil train cars across the river. first responders firefighters arrived on the scene about an hour ago. the flames have been really too intense for them to do anything you know, up until recently. they are looking at the train right now. there's still no indication on when this fire could be out or how much of that crude oil has seeped in to the river. >> two questions i have been looking for answers to tonight that you may know but i haven't been able to find. one is do they know how many tanker cars have blown up or burned and do they know what caused the redil railment? >> i'm not sure how many exploded, burned up. just looking at the scene it looks like maybe ten to 12
tankers are sitting burning heat on the other side of the river. at prep time we had not heard from csx about the calls of the accident. i have heard the engineer was injured, but he's doing fine. >> marcus constantino reporter for the charleston daily mail. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. more ahead tonight. including the needed best new thing in the world. stay with us.
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ginsburg the whole interview is posted on-line and we are excited to have debuted it here tonight. there was one part of the interview that was so good that we had to save it for the best new thing in the world. it started with a question about falling asleep. asking justice ginsburg about falling to sleep during the state of the yoons union. and her explanation the glass of wine before the speech may have been the culprit for why she nodded off. >> i have to ask you, by the way, everybody is talking about the state of the union. you said yesterday you were not 100% sober. >> oh, what i meant is i had a glass of wine with dinner. that on top of having stayed up all night writing something. >> so you are a bit of a lightweight as we call it? >> i thought to myself don't stay up all night.
but then my pen was hot. so i couldn't stop what i was doing. i said just drink sparkling water but the dinner was so good and it needed to be complemented. >> what's more amazing here. first of all the main reason justice ginsburg fell asleep at the state of the union is she had been up all night writing the night before. she said my pen was hot and so i can't stochlt can't stop won't stop when the pen catches fire. one she was up all night burning up the pages. two, she was going to stick to sparkling water at her prestate of the union dinner but the food was so good at dinner it deserved, no it demanded to be complemented with fine wine. when a meal demands to be complemented, justice ginsburg honors that demand. that was all before we found out who was to blame for not keeping her awake during the president's
speech. >> there's a tradition that we have dinner together before the state of the union. it is usually justice kennedy that brings in a big california wine. david souter when he was on the court, he sat next to me. we do everything in seniority order. he was sensitive to my -- he could sense when i was beginning -- my head was beginning to lower. so he would give me a pinch. now my colleagues -- i think they are more reluctant. >> who was sitting next to you. >> justice kennedy and they gave mae little jab but it wasn't enough. >> so little known fact david souter best known for being moderate supreme court justice for two decades we also know he
was justice ginsburg's official pincher. that he would pinch her when she started to fall also, justice kennedy, step up. time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> word has it that you are an official pincher for chris matthews. today the egyptian military struck back against islamic state. and lorne michaels will talk about the 40 amazing years of saturday night live. a dramatic escalation of egypt's role in the battle against isis