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it feels like the momentum and winds are shifting for precisely the reasons that you articulated. that is "all in." good evening rachel. >> thank you at home as well for staying with us for the next hour. there is a lot going on tonight, a, chris hayes is back. b., the controversial address to congress by benjamin netanyahu. that is tomorrow. washington is in full scale tissy over that right now. we'll have more of that ahead. congress through themselves a week long lifeline and we're back again where the homeland security department may run out funding at the end of the week. 2016 politics just got slightly scrambled with foreign policy proving very confusing. and a surprise brand new
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development, screwing with the dynamics on the democratic side. that was a surprise development. and for the interview, we have a legitimate political genius. unless you are this man's friend or family member, or someone that works with him, he is my nominee for the single most consequential actor in partisan applicants. no one has heard about him, i'm very excited about that. we start tonight with what may be a silver lining to this very, very dark cloud. you will remember that this video was posted online late on thursday, last week, showing isis fighters laying siege to the main museum in mosul using sledge hammers, saws, drills and thing they can use.
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they are destroying statues, icons, frescos. this priceless cultural heritage of some of the earliest human civilizations on earth. this footage, i have now seen this ten or twelve times, and it is still difficult for me to watch this. especially with the voice over and the guys on bragging about what it is they're destroying. talking with glee. i said there is a silver lining. it may be that some experts that watched this footage since it came out, they now say they believe much of what you can see being destroyed in this video is not real. it's not the original artifacts. the give away appears in some stills like this. you see the odd straightish lines, like a spine in the statue they topped over.
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that appears to be repar. like the bar you see on construction sites. it is a modern construction material, not an ancient one. that rebar seems to be evident in these photos, and the way some of them just pulverize when hit, they show that many of them show they are maybe not the original artifacts, they're reproductions. sadly some of what they're destroying does appear to be real. experts singled out these shots taken not inside the museum but outdoors. a man with a saw hacking off pieces of a large statue, that
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does appear to be real. what they are destroying is an ancient preislamic statute that is a hybrid of bull and a man. it is thought to be in an ancient city across the tigeress refer from mosul. many of the other things blown apart and hit with hammers appear to be models. in many cases, the reason they would have a model of an artifact, a reproduction instead of the original is because the original would have been shipped off to the iraqi national museum in baghdad. so some of the plaster casts, the original object of those plaster casts, what they were made from, is not from mosul.
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it is not there. it is in the capital city of iraq, the national newseum in baghdad for safe keeping. it is hard to think of the national museum in baghdad as somewhere things are kept for safe keeping. that hue seem is most famous here because of the still inexplicable explanation to leave that museum unguarded and open to looters in 2003. the fact that the u.s. was going to invade iraq in 2003 was not a secret, right? the george w. bush administration telegraphed it, threatened it for months and months before they did it. it was a war of american choice. on an announced american time table. because of that, because they telegraphed that war would start within archaeologists and
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curators warned them about how important that museum was. if baghdad would get invaded. at the time they thought they convinced the bush administration and the military that that was an important site to protect when the invasion happened. they expected it to be protected. they were shocked when no protection was offered, the site was left abandoned and looted. some of the losses are priceless. staff blamed u.s. troops for not protecting treasures. items that dated thousands of years and was billions of dollars were destroyed. >> that was april 2003. just a couple weeks after the u.s. invasion. not only did the u.s. not take any steps to protect the iraqi national museum in baghdad, once
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it was looted, the u.s. response was no big deal. why does everybody care so much. >> the images you're seeing on television you're seeing over and over and over. it's the same picture of some person walking out of a building with a vase. and you see it 20 times. and you think my goodness, where there that many vases? is it possible there was that many vases in the whole country. >> donald rumsfeldt. more than 15,000 items were looted, but donald rumsfeld thought it was hilarious. since then, the iraqi government says they have been able to recover a third of the 15,000
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items looted. they have been patiently restoring the items and the museum itself. and after being shut for 12 years, the iraqi national museum in baghdad was due to reopen soon. but then this weekend, after isis posted this video of their junction of mosul. after they posted this on thursday, the government made a very interesting decision. they decided they would move up the reopening of the iraqi national museum in baghdad. it was not due to open, but now it is open. if isis was trying to provoke or get a rise out of people, they succeeded look at what happened all in one day yesterday. this is sunday in iraq, the new
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prime minister announcing the surprise early reopening of the iraqi national museum. the first time in 12 years. he showed up to personally cut the ribbon and allow the public back in the museum since the invasion of iraq. he said the reason they were reopening was because of isis and what those savages did. he then did part two. this was all yesterday. he goes to the reopening of the museum, announces it is because of isis. he cuts the ribbon, goes to samarra, and he launches a brand new war on isis. we do not know if the timing of this ground operation was also moved up, but they personally launched a very personal iraqi
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military defensive. when they took over big huge swaths of iraq, it was one of the cities they grabbed was tikrit. and one of the most important. they have occupied it for eight months now. as we speak, an estimated force around 20,000 iraq soldiers, supported by sunni tribes and shi te militias are fighting. it is the only one of this size since the iraqi military visibly collapsed and their soldiers turned and ran in the face of isis. bonded their uniforms, weapons, and let isis take over swaths of their country. this is the first big ground operation since then in is, of course, a very high stakes operation.
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iraq believes in it's operations that it's military is now strong enough to beat isis at least in tikrit. this is a full on battle for tikrit now. if isis ends up winning and beating the iraqi military again, that would be devastating, right? to the perceived legitimacy of the iraqi armed forces. they really have to win now that they're going back in on their own terms. what adds to those stakes for the u.s., and honestly to the political awkwardness around the fight for the u.s., is the force trying to invade tikrit right now, that force is made up of the iraqi military, but they're being commanded by iran. the general that heads up the revolutionary guard is personally in iraq, working with
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the military to coordinate this offensive. that is the war against isis right now. a huge controversy in washington tonight over the israeli prime minister speaking tomorrow. he is trying to undermine the strategy against iran. he is trying to undermine him on u.s. soil, at the u.s. capital, at the invitation of republicans. the fight against isis. the literal fight against isis is being fought to a significant extent by iran. iran who is supposedly our great enemy, but who in this case is, if not an ally, at least they are a friend of a friend. and there are other things going on right now with isis and the fight against them.
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supporters apparently declared war on twitter. they declared war against twitter. they asked supporters word wide to attack twitter employees and interests. they singled out a company co-founder because they say isis fighters are so mad about having their accounts deactivated and taken down by the company. there is also slightly hopeful news out of syria about the fate of the assyrian christians taken hostage last week. this is a group thought to be about 200 or 220 christians taken by isis. this is women, kids, old people, families all take hostage. this weekend to a lot of people's surprise, isis decided to free some of the christian captives. we don't know why or if that means more christians will be freed any time soon. so there is a lot going on about
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isis and the fight against them, a lot of inexplicable stuff, and stuff we don't know how it will work out. one big question is whether washington being worked into a frenzy about this visit, whether this all encompassing upset in the beltway makes washington more or less able to press american interests in this troubled region and around the world. joining me now is ayman mohyeldin. can we talk about this defensive in tikrit. it appears to be the biggest since last summer? >> yes, this is 20,000 troops backed by sunni tribesman. they sit in the sunni part of the government. it is a test to see if they can
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clear it out, put isis fighters out, regain control of the city, but it will be a test of the iraqi government's ability to assert sovereignty once they clear the city out. those are two very big questions. you have to remember that in the past several years there has been tremendous marginalization of the sunni community in iraq. that partly led to the rise of isis in that part of the country. if they return, they get police and schools back up and running, hospitals, they have to show they winning the hearts and minds of the sunni iraqis. that will be a real test when it comes time to retake mosul. a much larger city. >> it in terms of the iraqi government then, it's not just ment, and not
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just the iranian lead militia, but those tribes that are participating. if they are able to integrate with a force that will be seen as a gesture of good faith. >> yes, and it was addressed in this that you highlighted. he called on all of the sunni fighters that joined isis saying if you were tricked by joining isis, we will pardon you. this is your last chance. come back into the fold. he used the language to try to bring badge the iraqi people of tikrit into the fold of the central government. he knows he has to do that politically and has to start rebuilding that part of the country that for years has been marginalized from the central government from the politics and the military, been dominated by sectarian riff. >> in terms of the military operation here, and i take your point that the ultimate answer
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here, the bottom line here, happens much further down the line and it is political, about whether or not they can function as a government in a way that wins over their people. but in the short term how important is it to have iran involved, how important for them to be involved in this. it is unsettling for the american context. >> iraq is in a unique possession. the closest allies are enmys. they have had influence politically, economically, and religiously. there is a close religious connection between iraq and iran. iraq has to walk that fine line, but there has been growing concerns about the militias when they have been in areas that
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have been predominantly sunni. it taught us that the rise has brought sectarian riff with them as well. it has been a cause of concern for the united states and the western countries involved in this coalition campaign against isis held areas. are they strengthening iran and it's influence in iraq? in the long term what has emerged without a doubt is iran has become a major player. the question is how does this new iraqi prime minister maintain his close affiliation. >> especially if this one is successful, the next bilge ground offensive is mosul and the u.s. and iraqi government will be in a position of asking how much do we want iranian troops involved in the next one? it is enough to make my head stop functioning. ayman mohyeldin, thank you for
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sometimes looks can be deceiving. this is a bill signing. president obama at his desk, and standing next to -- standing next to him, is barbara mcculski. she might seem small at a
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glance, but looks can be deceiving. >> i'll tell you what i'm tired of hearing that we're too emotional when we talk. when we raise an issue, we're too emotional. well i am emotional. it bringing tears to my eyes to know how women every single day are working so hard and getting paid less. it makes me emotional to hear that. >> i will be blunt and it should be no surprise to you were sir. i have been on this committee for ten years. i feel like i have been jerked around by every cia director. can i have your word that you will be very forth coming with this committee to speak to power, to speak truth about power. >> one of the most important tools we have is mammograms, but in the midst of the health care debate they want today take our
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mammograms away from us. well, hey. not while i'm here. >> barbara mikulski. a long time democratic senator from maryland announced she is retiring from the senate. she is the longest serving woman in the history of congress. she was first elected to the house in 1976. then to the senate in 1986. she has been a pit bull on women's issues, intelligence issues, children's health care, a leader on science issues. she got a super nova named after her. in 1993, they broke the dress code in the senate by refusing to wear a skirt or dress. the pantsuit rebellion and it worked. in 1993, women were still not allowed to wear pants in the u.s. senate until they said screw that and wore pants. they called her a legendary
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senator. when she said that she will retire rather than run again in 2016, she said it's in part because she doesn't want to spend the next two years raising money for reelection, she said should would rather spend the money raising hell. with her stepping away from the senate, there is a question of who might run for her seat? the gop is bullish on their chances of a state-wide race there, but maryland is still pretty blue. she never won reelection by less than 60%, and in a presidential election year, the democrats have a great chance of keeping her seat blue. if they run the right person. former maryland governor, martin o'malley has been not so secretly running for president. he and bernie sanders are
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basically the only two democrats that seem like they are running for the democratic nomination for president against the inevitable candidacy of hillary clinton. in the most recent polls, potential candidate clinton leads by 47 and 48 points. martin o' malley has not polled above 2%. most recently he was at 1%. but if the match up is not going his way by several dozen points, well, the retirement of legendary senator barbara mikulski might offer a ticket to ride for him holding federal office. i think if she is interested in making a go for his seat.
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here is one kind of genius. the grade school kid kind of genius. that is 9-year-old percussion prodigy maliki. he says he has been banging on stuff since he was 18 months old. he plays with adults now who sometimes forget they have a 9-year-old kid playing drums in their band. he is a musical prodigy. sometimes geniuses are like that, grand chess masters. physicists, even people working
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in arcane non popular fields because of how bill their brains and contributions are. sometimes people working in not at all arcane fields operate under the radar and that have a genius inside that changes the course of history. and they have a name you have every heard. that is our next guest. so msnbc is doing a seven days of genius thing. when i found out we were doing this, this is the guy i picked. i picked him as my nominee for the unsung political genius of our time and there is a very specific reason why. this is it. before the obama presidential, the bench mark in modern american politics for a slough landslide election was 1994 when the republicans slayed the democrats. they beat them so badly in 1994 that the metaphors started
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failing. then in 2010, they even beat that. the 1994 midterm was a pick up of 54 seats. in 2010, the first term of the obama presidency, the republicans got 63 seats in the house. that is how john boehner became speaker. they had a huge year. that was nowhere near their biggest victory that year. the republican state leadership committee started a project they called the redistricting majority project, or red map for short. and for this red map project they started raising a lot of money. it was not formally affiliated with the republican national party. they were not strangers, but they were at arms length. so red map, separate from everything else the party was doing, publicly trying to do well.
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it was the job of red map to specifically try to win in the states. and to get more specific than that, their plan, what they were designed to do, was to flip as many state legislatures as possible from democratic control to republican control. from blue to red. state legislatures, state houses, state senates. after the census is done every ten years, state legislatures get to redraw election districts both for themselves, like for state senate seats, but also for congressional districts. anybody with good voter data and free reign can redraw the maps. to 2010 was a key year to try to take control of state legislatures. if you could do that you not only control policy in those states, you would also control how many democrats and how many
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republicans each of those states sent to congress for a decade. and so the first genius moment was recognizing the opportunity here, right? first mid-term elections after you get a new president, barring something strange happening, the first midterms are always really good for the other party. republicans knew they would do well in 2010. recognizing that, and recognizing that with the right strategy they could turn that into a much bigger victory in the states that would guarantee they would control congress for a decade, that was a genius moment of recognizing political leverage there. then there was transforming that idea into a plan to do it. so there is this little group that very few people have heard of. the republican state leadership community and they go to work with this red map idea. they raise money from deep
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pockets and typical republican donors. they got $30 million for the quiet project. but instead of applying that money to the senate races and congressional rations and governor's races around the country, that get all of the attention, instead of those, what they did at red map was political genius. as a pure political move, it was a visionary thing they put that big money from big ticket republican donors that only had big national ambitions, they took that money and they spent it in the most unimaginably obscure races all over the country in very specific strategic ways. the operational genius of the plan was they identified the states that gave their legislatures the most control over the redistricting process. they found the place they would get the most bang for their buck if they were going to be successful.
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in those specific states, they identified the races they could win if they tried. state rep and state senator seats that could be flipped from democratic to republican with just the right amount of well times cash infusions. so they targeted those big ticket dollars to very, very small ticket races. they funneled $1.5 until into the new york state senate. they spent $1 million in the michigan house races. they got 20 seats. they did $1.5 million total that was enough to flip enough seats that the state house and senate flips from democratic to republican control for the first time since the civil war
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president not bad for $1.5 million total for the state. jeb bush raises that much money before lunchtime in one day. that was enough to get the whole state. one of the biggest coups was wisconsin where they thought it was worth the investment to try to topple the senate majority leader. he was a fixture in wisconsin. even in a red year, it did not seem like a guy like russ decker could lose. but he had never run in a race where red map would come in and spend $500,000 on that race in the last two weeks before the election. so russ decker lost and that seat became a republican seat. i don't know if you know this, but i'm a liberal. and i think the republican takeover in the states has been terrible. basically across the board in
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terms of policy consequences because i don't tend to like republican policies. i'm also a civics dork that things districts should not be drawn for partisan reasons to make safe seats for democrats or republicans. so on the merits, this whole story -- guhh. but for the strategic thought and execution to have the biggest and longstanding impact without a huge outlay of resources, and without your opponents figuring out what you were doing until you had done it and they wake up and realize that you screwed them for a decade, when it comes to political genius, i hearby maintain there is nothing comparable in the last five years in american politics, probably considerably longer that is anything like this. if democrats could leave a magic wand and undo the political work of one person in the past five years. it would be the red map guy, right?
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it would be our next guest. and if i were a republican, i would be lobbying to put his face on the penny. joining us now is christian janakowski. >> now my kids know what do i for a living, you explained that perfectly. >> put this in a time capsule in case anything bad happens in the future. did i get any of that wrong in terms of explaining what you did? >> that's it, you got it. we don't have -- we're not legally allowed today have any affiliation with the rnc, but there was groups on the ground and that was the key. there is a lot of great ideas in politics, but the ability to execute makes the difference. we had the rnc, the relationships with the state parties and groups on the ground and we would give them money.
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>> they knew which seats had leverage. >> yes, so the trick was going to the national donors and national folks that says hay, here is an opportunity for what we thought was setting up in 2012 to take the u.s. congress. by the summer of 2010 we realized we're going to get the house, so we're going to lock that in -- >> for a decade. >> i will say there is a shelf life to these lines. we don't know how long they are, but eventually they do wear off. so just a little perspective. >> fair enough. >> some of the districts, the legislative chambers we won, won in 2006 by lines drawn by republicans in 2010. >> big enough waves and big enough years. >> yes. >> but you change the structure of the field on which politics is played. >> i would rather be us than them. >> got it.
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when you went to donors and said we can leverage your national money, did you spell out the whole plan and how it would work, or did you just go to donors with a relationship that you could say trust us, we have a plan, you don't want to know the nitty gritty, but your money will be well spent. >> those donors do not exist any more. they ask questions. we had a chairman. we walked through our targets. i explained how we would take the first five to ten million and where that would go and that was the great lake states, and we brought in about $20 million in about 90 days, and amazingly getting it back out the door. in the ohio house, we had ten different targets we narrowed down to six. we had mail plans, cable adds the we targeted primarily 12 to 15 states that would have the
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post impact on congressional redistricting, and we got the money spent. >> in terms of doing that targeting, was that high-level political math or was it easy to figure out which of the seats in which states would be most worthy to spend your money? >> well, the same swing areas that if you're running for president in ohio are the same place where the swing seats are in the congress. so to me it was obvious. we did research. we did polling. we worked with our partners on the ground. you mentioned senator decker. no one would touch him. we did a poll, we thought he was beatable. so we dropped $500,000 in in the last two weeks. >> what were the places for being really cheap? >> pennsylvania. every state chamber has different numbers of seat ms.
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it. and pennsylvania has one of the biggest seats. little arizona which has 6 million or 7 million people has more seats. the seats in pennsylvania have relatively few people. 13 million people, we targeted, we were working with the house leadership in pennsylvania. we spent almost $1 million. some of it we gave cash directly. some of them we took on some democratic incumbents that had never lost, ever, in western pennsylvania. so we had some extra cash, and we tried, and we won. it was a great year, we looked at the map and constantly readjusted our targets. >> and blindsided not just democrats in those districts but nationwide. they were doing nothing like this in 2010. >> they will be ready next time. it will be a donnybrook.
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>> do you mind if i lock you in an airless vault before you leave and never let you out? >> it was great to work with the partners in the state and have a member like ed gillespie. >> chris janikowski, thank you for being willing to talk about this. i think you did something brand new in politics, and you are a humble guy. but i don't feel humble about what you did. it's impressive. >> so we are doing this seven days of genius thing. did you know about that? we have breaking news ahead. we'll be right back.
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as i mentioned, some breaking news has just crossed its political news. we're going to take one minute to nail down the sourcing and the story, because this just happened. but we'll be back with it in a minute. please stand by.
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so, a new report has just crossed tonight concerning former secretary of state hillary clinton. according to the "new york times," hillary clinton has used her personal e-mail account, exclusively to conduct official business while she was secretary of state. now that apparent practice of hers is becoming a question, because her time of secretary of state is over, and her records from secretary of state are supposed to be retained and to some extent made available both to congress and the public. "new york times" reporting that
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mrs. clinton's use of her personal e-mail might have led to violations of federal requirements that official correspondence be saved in perpetuity. it's said that she never had a government e-mail dress during the "times" she served for the state department. a quote says it is difficult to conceive of a scenario, short of a nuclear winter where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level-head officer to use a private e for communications channel for government business. the former secretary has been complying with the letter and the spirit of the rules. mrs. clinton, of course, stepped down from the state department two years ago. her advisers now have reportedly begun a process of reviewing her papers as secretary of state to decide what they're going to release publicly. they've turned over 55,000 pages
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of e-mail to the state department. mrs. clinton is widely expected to run for president and win the democratic nomination for president if she runs for it. which, of course, those e-mails would take on new significance. jeb bush released many, many thousands of e-mails from his time as governor, including e-mails that revealed personal details, and social security numbers of people who never expected that information to become so public. but the new news tonight is that former secretary of state hillary clinton is facing questions about why she never had a government e-mail when she was secretary of state and the use of her personal e-mail account for state department business. her spokesperson saying that she felt that the spirit and the letter of the rules, but there is an of question about what will be released to congress and the public. this being politics and a presidential campaign, you can
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bet there will be a lot more about this story. and lawrence o'donnell will have significantly more about it in the next hour. stay with us.
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thursday night, we reported here exclusively that the senate was ready to hold a floor vote on loretta lynch to be the new attorney general. we were told by sources in the senate that her nomination would be scheduled for a floor vote this week. so much for that. politico reports this afternoon that there will be no vote on the new attorney general this week. senate republicans are not talking about when that vote might happen. maybe she'll get a vote sometime, some other time, some time when the senate has time for little chores like hiring a chief law enforcement. meanwhile, the current occupant says he will stay until the next nomination is confirmed. the crazy is less powerful than
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the lazy or whatever it is that's keeping them from voting on loretta lynch. tick tock. them from voting them on loretta lynch. right now on first look a warning from the house. ahead of benjamin netanyahu's speech before congress. a new report says hillary clinton may have violated federal rules while serving as secretary of state and a portrait of bill clinton includes a monica lewinsky reference. can you see it. his airness michael jordan cracks the foren's billionaire list. in just hours benjamin netanyahu will speak to congress. at the core of his controversial speech u.s. nuclear negotiations with


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