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premiere. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> this capitol dome helped build our iron dome. >> tonight benjamin netanyahu addresses congress. >> we must stop iran's subrogation of terror. later, it's personal. >> you do not need a law degree to understand how troubling this is. >> hillary clinton is under attack for use of her personal e-mail in the state department. >>she trying to hide? why would we want a trade
deal with brunei? we'll look at the sultan of brunei brunei's disturbing record on human rights. >> ban brunei from the transpacific partnership agreement. good to have you with us tonight, folks. we start with foreign policy. today benjamin netanyahu delivered his controversial speech to congress. there was reaction. 36 house democrats, 7 senate democrats, and 1 senate independent skipped today's speech. netanyahu took a hard line against iran. he warned against the iran nuclear deal currently being negotiated. netanyahu made clear he has two major problems with the deal. >> you see, my friends, this deal has two major concessions.
one, leaving iran with a vast nuclear program. and two, lifting the restrictions on that program in about a decade. that's why this deal is so bad. it doesn't block iran's path to the bomb. it paves iran's path to the bomb. >> the prime minister admitted certain restrictions would be placed on iran's nuclear program, but he said they cannot be trusted. >> it has violated agreements in 2005, 2006 and 2010. iran broke the locks and shut off the cameras. i know this does not come as a shock to any of you.
iran not only defies inspectors. it plays a good game of hide and cheat with them. >> a nuclear iran would be a threat to israel and the middle east as a whole and the world. >> this deal won't be a farewell to arms. it would be a farewell to arms controlled and the middle east would soon be crisscrossed by nuclear trip wires. a region where small skirmishes can trigger big wars would turn into a nuclear tinderbox. if anyone thinks this deal kicks the can down the road think again. >> and leaving no stone unturned, the prime minister made the connection to isis. >> when it comes to iran and isis, the enemy of your enemy is your enemy. the difference is that isis is armed with butcher knives, captured edd weapons, and youtube,
whereas iran could be armed with nuclear bombs. we must always remember -- i'll say it one more time -- the greatest danger facing our world is the marriage of militant islam with nuclear weapons. to defeat isis and let iran get nuclear weapons would be to win the battle but lose the war. >> is it fear mongering or is it the absolute truth? the prime minister left no wiggle room. on the flip side, the white house thinks this deal is the best chance at stopping a nuclear armed iran. later this afternoon the president underscored his position with iran. >> it's very important for all of us americans to realize that
we have a system of government in which foreign policy runs through the executive branch and the president, not through other channels. and i think it's important for us to stay focused on the problem at hand and the specific problem that is being debated right now is not whether we trust the iranian regime or not. we don't trust them. it's not whether iran engages in destabilizing activities. everybody agrees with that. the central question is how can we stop them from getting a nuclear weapon. >> and the administration made clear today that any deal would have strict and frequent and intrusive inspections. netanyahu doesn't believe that. susan rice said stopping iran's
entire nuclear program is not realistic. >> even you are closest international partners do not support denying iran ever having nuclear energy. simply put, that is not a viable negotiating position. >> everybody agrees that having a nuclear armed iran is dangerous. one thing is clear. today's republicans used the prime minister of israel as a problem to make the case against president obama's plan of action. if the prime minister was going to agree where the president of the united states he probably would have never been invited. the well of this decision stems from the disdain that the rest
of the republicans have for this president. this was a way for the speaker to pit the american people against president obama. tonight's question -- who do you trust? president obama or prime minister netanyahu? text "a" for president obama. text "b" for benjamin netanyahu. we'll bring you the result later on in the show. are you troubled by what you heard from the prime minister of israel today? >> i'm troubled by boehner making this a political issue, undermining the president's ability to conduct foreign policy which is what the constitution provides for the president to do. i am disturbed that the president -- that the prime minister was allowed to come
before a joint session when he's in the middle of a very close political election using the congress as a photo opportunity for his reelection. that bothers me. but also a lot of the tone of his speech bothered me as well. look, ed, this is complicated stuff. nobody has a magical answer to it but we are now this month going to commemorate the 12th anniversary of the war in iraq, and i remember and you remember hearing all of these speeches about how we had to go to war in iraq. there was no solution. it was the only way. the result of that war was to open up an incredible can of worms, cost us thousands of brave soldiers trillions of dollars. >> do you think netanyahu was part of that sell job? >> i think the web we are in right now is absolutely iran can't get a nuclear weapon. we have to go as far as we can to prevent another war, a war with iran after a war with
afghanistan after a war with iraq would be horrendous for this country and the entire world. >> senator, i didn't hear any solutions today from mr. netanyahu. >> precisely. >> it was fear mongering and saber rattling. >> i'll tell you it seemed to me that while he didn't use it clearly for him the solution may well be that there has to be an attack against iran, that he does not see any other solution. i think the president has made it clear that this is really tough negotiations. we're working with five countries around the world to make it happen. we have already applied significant sanctions. we're prepared to do more, but i think we have got to do everything that we can to avoid a war with iran. it would have huge implications for this country and the world. i think the president is making progress. he has said there is no guarantee that in fact these
negotiations will succeed, but let's give these negotiations an opportunity, in fact, to be positive. >> good to have you with us tonight, sir. i appreciate it very much. let me turn to the founder of "this world," the value us network and lacy heely. rabbi, did you hear what you think the rest of the country and the world had to hear? >> nobody wants war with iran. we do want to increase sanctions with iran but why are we the united states, who has such deep seated values negotiating with a country that won't stop its
genocide in israel? we cannot have a serious conversation while you're threatening a second holocaust. >> we have plenty of serious conversations with countries that we don't like. we are negotiating alongside russia right now to come to a deal on iran's nuclear agreement. we can't place these conditions preconditions on talks when the choice is talk or have a nuclear weapon or potentially another war in the middle east. >> rabbi, he talked about tweeting and the rhetoric but he left no room or no solution. it was an absolute we're going to have a confrontation with the iranians. that's how i took the speech and that everything the president of the united states is doing with other countries trying to reel this nuclear program in is the wrong path or did you hear it differently? >> ed, this battle between president obama and prime minister netanyahu is a battle
for hearts and minds. we don't understand spinning and enrichment of uranium and plutonium. iran is an oil super power. why did they hide this program for a dozen years? they don't need it for energy purposes. they are the foremost exporter of terrorism throughout the world blowing up jccs and embassies. they are bad people. they hang gays from public squares. we wouldn't even buy a used car for them. netanyahu is winning the war of hearts and minds. >> how much do you think politics played into his appearance today in front of the congress in light of an election not far away in his country? >> i'm sure politics played a role. i'm from a jewish value system.
we believe action is more important than motivation. we jews experienced the genocide 70 years ago. >> wait a minute. i believe i am fair here. i did not hear a solution today other than a confrontation. that's the observation i had. about five minutes into this speech, i was kind of kicking myself. why would i be critical of hearing this in front of the congress? i know the president doesn't like it. there's semantics going back and forth as far as policy is concerned, but i think it is important for the world to hear it. how else is anybody going to get some kind of a deal or slow down iran's nuclear program unless we go face to face with them? >> we need a nuclear deal because we don't trust iran. we need inspectors on the
ground. we need to control the sut subterfuges that we do not understand. >> how do you think the iranians are going to view netten nanyahu speaks to the american congressional session today? >> netanyahu would take us back ten years to when iran didn't have the civilian energy program that they do now. he would envision a deal that has not been on the table at the outset of negotiations. it is not on the table now. ultimately right now what netanyahu is doing is giving a campaign speech. it's very little more. >> rabbi, what do we do? just ban all of these conversations, stop working with the brits and the japanese and the chinese on this and then
just move forward with more sanctions? >> i think we pass the curt menendez bill. iran is only takelking to us because of sanctions. the regime already has a very bad economy. they mowed down people in the streets and unfortunately we didn't support those people. this is a regime that isn't that entrenched. they have to talk because of sanctions. why are we easing sanctions? whenever we unfreeze the assets of iran we're giving them billions of dollars to increase terrorism throughout the world. we don't want to fund this government. they do bad things with government. senator sanders made a good point. there's no magical plan here or solution, but certainly increase sanctions. i don't believe they should remain nuclear. if this deal is going to leave them with 5,000 -- >> do you think more sanctions would lead to regime change?
>> i think more sanctions would lead to greater political unrest. >> there's no way of reeling in their nuclear program with more sanctions. that is not a motivation for them to stop doing what they're doing, especially if you say they haven't been an honest broker. we'll continue at another time. i appreciate both of you being with us tonight. thanks for your time here on "the ed show." we have some thoughts on all of this. he's on the armed services committee and other big stories of the day coming out of the hill. plus republicans try to stir up another round of benghazi fever. the use of hillary clinton's personal e-mail is under attack. keep it right here. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress.
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negotiations with the iranians. for more on this let's get reaction from a congressman in kro california. what did you hear from the prime minister stay? >> i heard a very impassioned and political speech. it will play well for those in israel that are getting ready for the election. i'm not sure how it is going to turn out, but it makes somewhat more complicated the issue before us, which is the success of these negotiations. >> he doesn't believe anything works with iran. >> well we don't have much choice here but to make sure that something does work. we want iran to be in a position where they cannot develop a nuclear weapon. they have under their treaties under the nuclear treatyies that exist around the world, they have the right for peaceful
nuclear activities, but not for weapons. this is where the negotiations are going to accept up a -- >> the president said he doesn't trust them and that's why we have to have verification. this is the only way to reel in their nukclear program with allies. do you think it was wrong for netanyahu to be invited to speech? he said the executive branch guides foreign policy but the american people elect the president who guides foreign policy. your thoughts? >> the prime minister had an
enormously important opportunity, from his perspective politically, and he did it in the most opportune form in the world. now from here where do we go? we need to go look at these negotiations make sure that they are lined up in a way that provides as reagan said trust and verify. >> that's where we are, no doubt. turning to the battle for the department of homeland security. the house finally voted on a clean bill to fully fund the department of homeland security for the rest of the year. 75 republicans got on board. some republicans had to be dragged across the finish line kicking and screaming almost. a group led by a congressman in
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welcome back to "the ed show." the republicans are klooking for any excuse to try to discredit hillary clinton. now clinton is being questioned on the use of her personal e-mail account while she was secretary of state. i have one for you here benghazi. >> despite some attacks on ben benghazi benghazi the revolution that former secretary of state hillary clinton lays that claim bare. >> i'm surprised the republicans haven't called for a full investigation on this already. the reporter that broke the story was on msnbc a short time ago. >> if she wasn't using a government account, there was no way for the state department to retain the e-mails for recordkeeping purposes for freedom of information act
requests, and for historians to go back and look at it. it was shielding her communications from those things. >> robert gibb says this may impact her campaign. >> this is something the clinton campaign is going to have to explain and it is much easier for critics to explain why they don't exist for her to explain why she used a private e-mail. >> jeb bush weighed in on twitter. he wrote transparency matters, unclassified hillary clinton e-mails should be released. you can see mine here. joining me tonight is a professor of politics and an executive board member. the unvarnished truth from both of you. mitch, you first. is this a problem for hillary clinton? >> i don't think so at all.
this is benghazi fever. republicans are good at this. the real issue, and it seems to be coming out now a little bit later, whether or not the law that effects her went into effect november of '14 which was way after she was gone. colin powell said he did business the same way. this is for recordkeeping, not that she hid great secrets and the ranking democrat on the benghazi oversight committee said in a speech he thought the law went into effect after secretary clinton left office. i think it is nonsense. >> how should she handle this? >> i think she should handle it by telling the truth. if this is making a mountain out of a mole hill she came into office in 2009. perhaps more importantly she should note that john kerry is the very first secretary who's
actually used his dot gov address. colin powell didn't do it. >> looking at it from the way the conservatives are is the appearance is she's hiding something. >> unfortunately, telling the truth won't change that perception because they're going to go after her for anything. this shows us the ugly and ignorant side of politics that americans are tired of. this is partisan politics at its best. she's turned over 55,000 documents to the national archives. there's zero evidence she's hiding anything. >> how do we turn back a benghazi witch hunt part two? this plays right into the clinton haters' hands duntdoesn't it? >> if politics if you have something really good on
somebody, you release it at the very end. but if they're coming out at hillary this early, that means they have nothing. secretary clinton is a very smart person. if she thought she was doing anything wrong, this would have never occurred. i frankly have known her for a long time. i believe she's a pretty straightforward person. i don't think a witch hunt is going to take them anywhere. >> let's go to jennifer granholm. appreciate your time tonight. what's your reaction to jeb bush's tweet on this? >> well i mean first of all jeb bush of all people, should be careful about this because he did 550,000 e-mails on his private e-mail when he was governor. if you live in glass houses you
shouldn't throw stones number one. number two, she was in office at a time when there was not a prohibition against using your personal e-mail for government work. she knew she was sending this to people in the government. when she left in january of 2013 there was no such prohibition. the president later signed a law in november of 2014 18 months later, that did make clear that you should be able to preserve those private e-mails for the records purposes, but that was not in effect when she was in office. this is just a nothing burger. >> there was a statement saying the reason it matters is simple. it is the law. what's your reaction to that? >> today it's the law. it wasn't the law when she was in office number one. ed, just quickly, his committee and all of these committees that
have breathlessly gone after her have spent millions of taxpayer dollars, have held -- there have been ten committees five reports. all of this investigation and this is what they have? >> i'm not quite sure -- >> something that isn't even an illegal act. >> i'm not sure how this would suppress information. you can go into anybody's e-mail account and find out who they are communicating with. so what if it takes longer to categorize them. your thoughts? >> she released 55,000 pages of e-mails to the state department. everybody who she communicated with on state business might have been on a public e-mail. >> so this is no problem for her? this is not going to be a problem? >> the republicans want to make it a problem, but in reality it is so far -- do you think that the people who listen to your show care about whether she's using an -- what e-mail she's
using on her blackberry? >> they care about the truth. >> i totally agree. >> i'm a hillary clinton fan. i think she's done a lot for this country in her life and she's been a great servant, but putting a number on it -- she's released 55,000. a good reporter would come back and say, yeah but is that all of them? is there 57,000 and maybe 2,000 out there that we don't have that might be of value? i'm not trying to impugn her character here. i'm just saying how people would view this. has every single e-mail been released because that's what it is going to take to satisfy the right wing? >> the right wing will never be satisfied, ed. even if she releases everything she's done in her life. she has released 55,000 pages of all the e-mails that are relevant to her job as secretary of state. truly if they want to continue to waste taxpayer dollars on this -- i completely agree that
people want the true, but there's not one suggestion that he's been untruthful or hiding something other than from the republicans who have a vested interest in trying to make this an argument because they have nothing else. >> do you think this will rile up hillary ice's base? >> this is just one of the stories. she has a big target on her back. republicans have to look at the behavior of the folks on their side. if jeb bush has a bunch of private e-mail how come anybody isn't making noise about that? >> appreciate your time. thanks so much. coming up the sultan of brunei's human rights record casts more shadows on the tpp and fast track. robert rice joins us for the fight. stay with us.
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>> it is a great pleasure to welcome my good friend his majesty the sultan of. >> we sacrifice so we essentially pay off these countries if they scum closer to the united states than china. >> i'm gratele for his outstanding leadership and friendship. >> the lead are of a small oil-rich country recently condemned by the strict penal code for muslims, including death by stoning for homosexuals. >> they have legitimate human rights concerns in brunei malaysia and vietnam, their record on labor is very suspect. >> the oil-rich asian country is one of the nations joining the transpacific partnership. the trade deal is nafta on steroids. jobs will go overseas corporate interests will definitely be put
first. >> president barack obama and i have have had an excellent meeting on the transpacific partnership agreement. we are negotiating for this economic condition. >> brunei is pushing for a tailed relationship. is the united states called the sultan a friend. human rights activists put the sultan of brunei on the radar when he established sharia law in his country. >> that will ultimately lead to the stoning to death of gale men and lesbians. >> american jobs and human rights there take a backseat for corporate profits. >> the tpp is a dangerous pact in its own right. like nafta, it will offshore many good-paying jobs.
>> -- are realizing that it should be killed. >> who will benefit from the tpp? >> this visit gives me a good opportunity to renew the long-standing and warm friend ship. and filmmaker, and now available on netflix. mr. reich, great to have you with us tonight. is this deal as bad as lake says it is? >> it's very, very bad. not only the fast track, which would permit it to go through congress without any kind of amendment, any discussion just an up or down vote but also the treaty, the trade deal itself, which not only abrho gates human rights, but also would lead to more outsourcing of jobs abroad and also threaten or health safety and environment
protections. inside that trade deal we don't know exactly what's in it what's been leaked so far shows that inside that trade deal would be a tribuble outside of the united states that would be able to attack our health safety and environmental and labor protections. >> so are we turning away from the evils of the sultan of brunei to do this deal? that's sure what it seems like. >> we're actually putting corporate profits in front of almost every other value. it's not surprising in the sense that the people who actually sat at the table to craft this trade deal are mostly big corpses and wall street. most americans have no idea what's in it. it's impossible to find out. >> do you think it can be stopped? do you think fast track, trade promotion authority that would -- this of course is the one on the table, do you think the democrats can stop it? i know some republicans for all the right reasons are against it as well. >> i think it can be stopped
mainly because most americans are very suspicious and have grown more suspicious over the years of trade deals. they've seen their jobs outsourced abroad. they've seen the pressure the downward pressure on wages that a lot of these trade deals have created. you know 20 years ago i was one of the people in the clinton administration who was promoting nafta. well looking back on nafta, i've got to be contrite. a lot of what happened after nafta was not so good. in fact we lost jobs. we lost wages. >> do you think this is all about security? in the end? that this is about a neighbor and maybe a crucial part of the world, and we may need them down the road? so we're just going to cast aside any kind of negative issues such as sharia law or their record on human rights? we're just going to turn a blind eye to that because we might
need the territory for an operating base later on? >> that's what the obama administration seems to be telling congress, that this is all about xhin ease influence in the pacific basin. >> it may be but it's about strengthening the influence of american-based cornses who have no particular adherence or loyalty to the united states. i mean they just want to improve their bottom lines. so why the administration thinks this is going to help american secure i really frankly have no idea. >> quickly, mr. reich, what kind of job numbers do you think we would lose, compares the ones we lost to nafta, and the colombian trade deal and the south korean trade deal. how would this be? >> it could be greater. this is 40% of global trade we're talking about, but it's not just loss of jobs ed.
it's also loss of wages. these trade deals put downward precious on american wages. >> robert reich, great work and appreciate your time here on "ed et show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. good evening, ed. i'm live tonight from miami. we start with breaking news president obama setting the record straight. after a to criticize the president's strategy for stopping iran it was a speech long on rhetoric but short on specifics, as the president said afterwards. >> i did have a chance to take a look at the transcript.