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making. all right. good morning. thanks for getting up with us. a truly historic saturday morning. what's on tap today? president obama will be speaking in selma, alabama, just a few hours from now. 50 years to the day since bloody sunday. this comes as attorney general eric holder is speaking out about what he's prepared to do to fix the ferguson police department. we're going to be taking a look at the state of that and the civil rights movement in this
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country today and since 1965. ahead on the show this morning, big news in washington. senator bob menendez is fighting back insisting he's not going anywhere. amid reports he will soon face federal corruption charges. jeb bush is facing an early test today trying to sell his conservative credentials before what's expected to be a tough crowd in iowa. we'll join our reporter live on the ground there for a report as jeb bush deals with a tricky situation for him politically. all of that much more ahead this morning. we begin in selma, alabama. that is where president obama, where the first family where scores of members of congress and some cabinet secretaries, too, are all converging today to mark the 50th anniversary of the civil rights march known as bloody sunday. thousands of marchers on this day back in 1965 halted what was supposed to be a journey from selma to montgomery the alabama state capitol when they were calling for voting rights for black americans.
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they were halted as they tried to cross a bridge. they were attacked by police on horseback. they were armed with batons, wet ropes, wreaking havage on non-violent protesters. a future of member of congress said this 50 years ago before this fateful march. >> we're marching to dramatize to the nation and the world that hundreds and thousands of negro citizens of alabama, particularly here in this area are denied the right to vote. we intent to march to montgomery to send a message to governor wallace. >> hour after that his skull was fractured by police before he could ever make it across that bridge. today, 50 years later, john lewis is going to march across this bridge this time with the first black president of the united states. it's a big day in selma.
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it's a big day here on msnbc. here's a look at what's on tap. 2:30 president obama is going to deliver his remarks what will surely be a powerful reflection on the civil rights struggle. less than a hour after that at 3:25 the first family and other members of government are going to make the ceremonial crossing of the edmund pettus bridge. at 4:00 p.m. the president and first lady are going to take their daughters on a tour of the nearby national voting rights museum. that is on tap today. a big day, not just for selma but the entire country. msnbc reporter is live for us in selma, alabama. thanks for joining us. we give you sort of the big headlines of what we can expect for today. you're down there h can you give us a sense of what we could be looking for? >> reporter: we're expecting thousands of people to converge here on selma 50 years after the
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gaze of the world was shifted here. as police brutalized the protesters as you mentioned. we're expecting president obama, it's his first troop to selma since he was president. we're expecting a delegation of 100 or so. former president bush will also be here. the community who believe for the fight for rights will then be converging here. it can never be overstated how important selma is to our nation. before the 1965 campaign between 2% and 4% of the people in the county were register today vote. you understand more than anyone black voter participation how it changed the political landscape. we're expecting a big day today, not only to commence wrat the foot soldiers of the face and how to connect that spirit of the struggle today. >> again, we will be returning
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to selma throughout the morning, including the roll one president of the united states played there 50 years ago and what role the current president played today. msnbc will be carrying those remarks live. join us for that. tomorrow at 3:00 p.m., msnbc is going to have have a special report on semlma. turning to the biggest political story, news breaking late yesterday that federal kupgz charge said may be imminent for a powerful member of the united states senate from new jersey. allegations that menendez tried to head off at a press conference last night. >> let me be very clear, i have always conducted myself appropriately and in accordance with the law. every action that i and my
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office have taken for the last 23 years that i have been privileged to be in the united states congress has been based on pursuing the best policies for the people of new jersey and of this entire country. that's who i am. and i am not going anywhere. >> the federal investigation into menendez stemdss from his dealings with a florida eye surgeon. want the grand jury has been meeting and hearing evidence. charges against senator menendez that he received gifts and lavish vacations in exchange on weighing on behalf of the doctor's business interests. menendez portraying the gift not as a payoff but has a perfect 11 legal exchange between close friends. >> anyone who knows us know that he and his family and me and my family have been real friends
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for more than two decades. we celebrated holidays together we have been there for family weddings and sad times like funerals. and have given each other birthday holiday and wedding presents just as friends do. >> all right for the latest on this now we want to turn to nbc reporter who is standing by. a lot of reports yesterday about imminent charges being filed. where do we know things stand right now? >> the justice department and investigators are moving forward with this case. the grand jury is hearing evidence some of menendez's own aides this month are being put before that grand jury to tell what they know about the senator's alleged actions regarding the doctor r. and the efforts the senator allegedly made through his office to help that eye doctor. what did the senator allegedly do for the eye doctor? the eye doctor was facing overbilling charges regarding medicare to the tune of millions
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of dollars. the senator and his staff, apparently medwith medicare officials to try to get some of the rules changed that could possibly benefit that eye doctor. there's another allegation he tried to help this eye doctor secure a port security deal to screen cargo coming in from the dominican republic. that deal could have been world tens of millions of dollars for the doctor. so the question is is there a quid quo pro? did the senator accept gifts and campaign contributions from the doctor, and in exchange did he officially use his office to try to benefit the eye doctor. that is what the grand jury sitting in new jersey right now is weighing. we are told from investigators, that they plan to move forward with criminal charges, within weeks charges could come sometime this month. again, nothing is done until the grand jury acts. >> it sounds like the makings or the beginnings of the defense here that menendez would offer if charges are filed, if this
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becomes a case in court, talking a close personal friend families are close, we exchange gifts. nothing illegal if there's that kind of a friendship. what's your sense that people are saying about that kind of defense? >> that is going to be the senator's defense. if you remember more than a year ago when news of these free private jet trips he took to a luxury resort the senator originally did not pay for the trips. later after it was exposed he quickly wrote a check for over $58,000 to reimburse the eye doctor. why would he do that? at the time he was taking these flights, that's when some of these efforts were underway to benefit this eye doctor. it is not the easiest case because the federal government has to get inside the senator's head. al they could use circumstantial evidence. they need to show not only did
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he take these trip and gifts and donations but he specifically acted and used his office in exchange for that. you can't just have the two, you know separate events. they need to make that connection. it's not the easiest thing. but federal investigators believe they have more than enough. they plan to move forward. >> we'll keep a close eye. thank you. we appreciate that. the question now is iffane indictment becomes a reality in coming weeks, what will happen in washington to his position in the senate? me is the ranking member of the senate's foreign relations committee. it would be threatened if there is a federal indictment, if charges are brought. he actually is the third new jersey senator in the last 30 years to be embroiled in an ethics controversy while in office. in 2002 a senator was alleged.
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before him senator harrison williams was convicted of bribery and conspiracy. that was behind the movie american hustle a couple years ago. he resigned before the senate could vote to expel him. do any possible charges against menendez threaten his position in washington? for that side of the story, a capitol hill producer is here. there is some precedent in the senate. you think of ted stevens from alaska who was indicted and ultimately found guilty eventually that was thrown out. when he was indicted seven years ago, republicans forced him to give up his ranking status on a committee. is that the expect agds that will happen here? >> that's the question. republicans have a rule now with the republican conference that if a senator were to become under indictment that they would lose the ranking member or chairmanship or leadership
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position until that is resolved. if they're convicted they lose it permanently. democrats don't have that kind of rule. this would be up to the democratic caucus. and leadership. and also up to senator munen does. but there's nothing that precludes him from doing his job if he is in fact indicted. you know there are no senate rules that would stop him from voting or participating in committee actions or stop him from doing his job as a senator. so it would really be up to senate leadership to decide whether or not it would be tenable for menendez to continue. as you noted, he is a key voice on a lot of issues as the ranking member of the foreign relations committee, including the iran nuclear deal and relations with cuba. >> that's interesting you mention iran. there was some rumblings yesterday from sort of the conservative side on twitter saying here's the leading critic, democratic critic of the strgds on this pending deal possible deal with iran now
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suddenly as that issue comes to a head this is coming to a head in terms of what the department of justice is looking to do. is that something you're hearing, that kind of chatter? >> i don't think that -- there's no indication on capitol hill this is a retaliation for senator menendez's stances on obama administration policies. he was a critic of the relieving cuban relations. as well he's been a critic of the iran nuclear deal. he also has been known to be really hard on the rhetoric but also to pull back when it actually matters. he released a letter last week saying that they would no longer support a bill that would require that congress approve a iran nuclear deal before sanctions are rolled back. republican leadership has actually criticized him for being more bark than bite on this. >> interesting. i covered menendez starting out
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in new jersey. i have to say whatever ends up here as the end result he is not going to go away quietly. appreciate you taking a few minutes this morning. thank you for that. still ahead in the show, we're going to dive into one of the week's biggest political story of the week the fallout over hillary clinton's e-mail address. she's kept mostly quiet about the controversy, how much longer can she stay silent? next, jeb bush heads to a state that could pose the biggest challenge to his quest for the gop nomination. it also happens to be the state with the first nominating contest. how jeb can fix his iowa problem. can he fix his iowa problem? that's right after this. racie... you know how our family has... daddy and mommy... and me! yeah, that's right. pretty soon... you're going to have a baby brother. ♪ ♪ and... a puppy. ♪ ♪ [ chuckles
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i've been to iowa where my dad lost and i've been there when he won. i like the winning part better
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to be honest with you. i intend to come back with regulate art. i'm excited about that prospect. >> as jeb bush last night in iowa at a fundraiser for a republican congressman out there. interesting choice of language there, you could hear the possibility of consideration of running. he still has to talk in these legalism. this is a trip in which the former florida governor plans to drop in today at the same pizza place where his brother first announced he was running for president back in 1999. behind the scenes jeb bush is vacuuming up serious money from his party's top donors. what is far from clear is whether this enthusiasm will extend to rank and file conservative voters. so far it hasn't especially in iowa. polls show him running in fifth
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place behind ben carson and mike huckabee. what is the root of bush's iowa problem? it could be his moderate stance on immigration reform squr education. bush yesterday forced to defend his support for common core school standards. one conservative pastor telling the des moines register that he appears to be a republican in name. but not necessarily republican in heart and head. it could also be as simple as his last name with one iowan republican telling we're tired of the same old same old. he's going to have to be more articulate with his fresh yooidsideas. kasie hunt is live for us. some other candidates speaking there as well. we have our panel for today. a political analyst, and an msnbc contributor. and a campaign editor with the
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hill. and the reigning champion of up against the clock. kasie hunt thank you for taking a few minutes and joining us. jeb is sort of in the middle of this his first big iowa swing. we talk about that resistance from conservatives. iowa state where conservative holds disproportionate sway in the caucuses. how is it going so far for him out there? >> a couple things. first of all, it's pretty clear that bush is pushing forward with this idea that he is trying to label himself as a conservative. he's come up with his new web video outlining himself as such. he was at that fundraiser giving something of what sounds like the beginnings of a sump speech. he gave a version of it at cpac last month. i think you heard him outline what were critical points on what he views as his conservative record as governor of florida if you want to take a listen. >> as gorvernor, i got to say
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what i was going to do y. talked about cutting taxes, about creating a world class business climate and changing our education system. about turning the system upside down so that people could prosper in our state. for eight years, i got to act on my conservative principals. it worked by the way, just in case you were worried. >> reporter: just in case you were worried. that worked. he also went on to say he took on the teachers unions and trial lawyers. he and his team have given a lot of time how to approach hot button issues. he was actually given the opportunity to defend his position on common core a woman stood up in the room last night and see i was appoint today the skb here in iowa. i want to say thank you don't back away from that. bush's response to her was pretty interesting. >> states that don't want to participate, that's fine.
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it's a voluntary deal. no big deal. they ought to be advocating higher standards in their states as well. >> reporter: so he basically declined the invitation to give this full throated vocal support to something called common core. he didn't use those words, even though the questioner did. although he did of course go on to say he does support high standards. >> let me bring the panel in on this. that's an interesting thing. first of all, somebody stands up at a jeb bush event and says i want to thank you for supporting common core. my first thought that's a plant. >> that's what i was thinking too. >> how does -- we all know doubts conservatives have about him. how does something like that go over? >> i don't know how it goes over yet. this is kind of being fleshed out realtime. i think at the end of the day what jeb bush needs to be is be jeb bush. if this is something that you support and something that you want to fight for, then go to that hill and stand on it and fight for it. he's given indications he's
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willing to do that. in moments like that you take that advantage and drive the point home. the reverend says he's a republican in name only basically. that he's not a republican at heart. i know when conservativism becomes heartless and doesn't care. it's not just about the government. it's about how you bring the forces together. jeb really believes this. >> i love this. >> if he believes that he's going to have to go to the hill and fight for it. >> you have hit the nail on the head. it was only about three or four weeks ago when jeb bush started getting this he said i'm going to be myself. i'll not going to bow to the tea party prevailing winds of the base. i'm going to tell people -- it sounded like he was going to be fighting for people like michael steele that type of republicanism. he goes out to iowa and the first little puff he starts caving. he doesn't stand up. he's going to try to be
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something he's not. it's not going to work. he's not going to win over that pastor. >> here's the thing i keep seeing, you think back to his brother. his brother won iowa big. the republicans out there loved him. i know things have changed in 16 years. one of the things i think has changed is the republican party in 2000 was much more about just win. we're going to be pragmatic and talk about compassionate conservativism. now it's much more they want purity and an outsider. they're not looking to compromise. >> exactly. i think it's no more prevalent anywhere than iowa. when i talk to people out there. common core is something people want. he didn't take the bait we haven't seen him back off. we all saw what happened when mitt romney backed opimmigration and tried to do that and everything. i think jeb is trying to have it both ways. it's very early whether he can
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do that. i know in some of his earlier speeches, i think when it he was speaking in detroit a couple weeks ago he talked about education standards, not common core specifically. he talked about what he had done in florida. i think you'll hear him talk about his florida record. he's trying to work around it a little bit. >> trying to survive. let me put poll numbers up here. look at this numbers. this is the most recent poll. 26%, these are likely republican caucus goers say they would definitely not support jeb bush. look at this. this is among republicans. 41% view him favorably. 40% view him unfavoritably. this is among republicans. kasie hunt when you're out there and talk to republicans, what is your sense, jeb bush we're saying he probably can't win iowa, what does he need to do out there if he contests the state? >> reporter: conventional wisdom would say there are three tickets out of iowa. we'll see if that holds. you never quite know. at this point, i think he needs
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to beat expectations for how he will do here. he needs to not completely fall apart. i think this careful line he's walking with you know trying to not anger the base unnecessarily while not backing away from the positions that he holds or has held in the past, are starting to get a glimpse here. he could also make a decision of how to compete in this state. he could largely stay away or say i know this isn't a way i can complete aaregressively. maybe he comes in late in the end. that's what mitt romney did in 2012. he's got some of romney's key staffers on his team here in iowa. >> appreciate the report out there. a lot more happening today. interesting to see what you have to say about that. ahead, president obama gets ready for today's anniversary event in alabama. >> now selma is about the
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courage of ordinary people doing extraordinary things because they believe they can change the country. >> this is is the selma anniversary falling at the end of the week that obama's administration gave a harsh assessment of the ferguson police department. we'll take a look at that report and the reaction to it next.
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[thunder and rain] [thunder and rain] [thunder and rain] you're looking live at the streets of selma, alabama, this hour as that city and the nation prepare to mark the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday. speaking to students in south carolina yesterday, president obama previewed the remarks he's going to be marking in selma this afternoon. remarks that will be carried live here on msmbc. >> i'm still working on my speech, it might come up is the meaning of selma for your generation. >> the anniversary and today's
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proceedings call on the heels of a justice department report this week that did two things. number one it cleared former ferguson, missouri darren wilson of civil rights violations in the slaying of michael brown. it also cast down that brown had his hands up. attorney general eric holder and his justice department also outlined in that report the abuse, the harassment and humiliation at the largely white ferguson police department has inflicted with alarming regularity on the community's mostly black citizens. >> african-americans made up over 90% of those charged with a highly discretionary offense described as and i quote, manner of walking along roadway. unquote. manner of walking along roadway. >> late yesterday holder said he would consider dismantling the ferguson police department if
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necessary if that's what it takes. al president obama addressed the lingering effects the police department's effects had yesterday. >> one of the things that i think frustrated the people of ferguson, in addition to the specific case of michael brown was, the sense of you know what? we've been putting up with this for years, now when we start talking about it, everybody is pretending like it's just our imaginations. like we're just paranoid and making this stuff up. it turns out they weren't just making it up. this was happening. >> joining us now is a reporter for "the washington post." he's been covering the story. and also reported this week on a civil lawsuit that michael brown's family is preparing against the ferguson police. thanks for joining us this morning. it seems when you look at this it requires maybe a little bit of nuance to understand this report. on the one hand you could look at it and say in terms of the specific case this summer, they're saying they're not finding too much there. in terms of the underlying
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feelings that brought out in the community, they're finding out an awful a lot. >> we had two reports looking at two different things. first was the shooting of michael brown. in that report the justice department found not only there was evidence to charge the evidence darren wilson in this case. they concluded the shooting was largely justified. he was likely reasonably in fear for his life during the shooting. that was one report. the second report this is a much more scathing deeper more complicated report. this was a report that combed through tens of thousands of pages of fursson police documents. tens of thousands of pages ferguson court documents. and essentially what the justice department concluded was, ferguson police operates in a way that is racially discriminatory. that they are violating people's constitutional rights. and the people who rushed into the streets were not making it up when they said police were
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treating them in a way that was discriminatory discriminatory. the people who were skeptical of the hands up don't shoot, michael brown who sided with darren wilson. there's a lot of this they concluded to here. but the hundreds of people thousands of people who were in the streets protesting talking about police impunity and constitutional violations they also were vindicated and validated about the second report, which showed essentially, that ferguson pd it said in the report doesn't function to protect the city it's raises money for the community. >> the report comes out, it documents all these things what has the response been locally in ferguson from authorities? >> the way this works when doj comes in and does a patterns report. essentially they hand over their list their ledger of violations and the city has to deal with them. the city now has to enter a negotiation period with the
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department of justice where they have to take recommendations and come to find some middle ground. if the city does not do that if they can't come to an agreement that satisfies the department of justice, the department of justice can sue the city and will almost every case win that lawsuit. so essentially, what's happening now. city officialvise to work the department of justice to appease them, to show them that yes these things you've outlined we're going to fix them. and very likely they'll sign what they call a consent decree which typically includes policy changes and in this type of case could include disbanding the police department. >> i'm wondering what you made of reading this report and the reaction to it. as we say on the one hand it's just about ferguson but do you read this and say how many fergusons are out there? >> this is not time in the obama administration where they have had this investigation.
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i think there have been about a dozen or so. tom perez who is now secretary of labor when he was assistant attorney general justice, brought a couple of these. they got great consent decrees with other police departments. there is real good track record of making this workb and showing this is not just limited to one town in missouri. so i think that this is really good progress on obama, good accomplishment on his legacy. ferguson maybe cap it off. >> i think that's a key part of this whole thing. ferguson, is the tip. this happens particularly in small towns. al they're isolated away from the mainstream noise you hear about these type of investigations. al ferguson allowed us to shine a brighter spotlight on what goes on with the towns where they're balancing the police budget on the backs of its
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citizens. they're violating the constitutional rights. we'll see how ferguson recovers in how they take advantage of this opportunity to govern themselves better. but this is a turning point i think in many respects. pputs a light on other towns around the country. >> that's the interesting thing to see if reforms are made there. if other cities will be proactively take steps in that direction. i appreciate you taking the time. still ahead more potential 2016 contenders sound off on hillary clinton. and also why there aren't more women in your wallet. we'll explain coming up.
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all right. it's time for one of my favorite segments. catching up. i call it the index card segment. it means there's a lot going on in the world. we'll get caught up on some of the other headlines. let's take a look at the
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baltimore sun. it's this headline harry reid the top democrat in the senate apparently trying to forestall a competitive primary next year. he's endorsing one of the top democrats in the house, basically saying to the other democrats too late. the interesting thing here is the dscc the national campaign committee for democrats, immediately after that tweeted this out. they said the dscc remains excited about the deep bench of democrats in maryland. we are confident we hold the seats. the dscc don't keep everybody else out. let's have a primary. you know a thing or two about maryland politics. donna edwards is -- >> you've got donna edwards, former naacp head you've got a number of african-american democrats who have waited in a very long line for a very long
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time who is this as an opportunity to come to the for. harry reid injecting himself in this race. he's getting blowback from it and deservedly so. no one has announced except van hollan. >> think of all the democrats who might wantrun? >> i will say, i am endorsing -- >> no republican has come closer to willing a senate race in maryland in the last generation. >> yeah, we had a little run at it in 06 and got close. the reality of is my former boss -- there are a number of republicans who are still looking at it and likely will give it consideration. >> we're looking, too, right?
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are you going to take a look at it? >> i said we take a look at it. but the reality of it is i think, is there is going to be a real scramble. the bench on the democratic side for this is hugely deep. there's a very long line. and a lot of folks -- >> that's what happens in these states where it's one party. >> we surveyed every single house member this week and everyone except one person said they're going at it. you're going to have open house seats plenty in maryland if this happens. for all of us thinking the california after boxer left was going to be the most exciting race -- >> it's generational. howlology has she been in that seat? 30 years. they only come up once in a while. whoever wins it is likely to keep it for long time. this is your chance. want. >> let's see whaups ist else there
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is. they want a female hero to replace andrew jackson on currency. al some of the names being put out there, tubman susan b. anthony. let's go around the table what woman would you put on the 201234. >> rosa parks. we're celebrating the civil rights movement. susan b. anthony. i'm all for more women. i think -- i never even thought about there is no woman on there. i'm sad to lose andrew jackson though. >> rosa would be nice. douglas would be a real possibility. i think the idea of having -- this currency is suppose to reflect the founders of the country. women were very much a part of that. >> i think susan b. anthony
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you can't win this race. you've never done anything like this before. you went to an event with a handsome guy. >> that was senator elizabeth warren on tuesday talking about the man she beat in 2012 scott brown. that was a party for the political group emily's list. warren has come a long way on
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the national stage since her debay onde debut in 2009. she these days warren can't go anywhere without being asked if she's going to run for president. even though she keeps saying no to that. the persistent clamoring demonstrates the powerful hold she has over a large chunk of american lirmberals. when she complained that a treasury official was too close to wall street. the white house had no chois but to pull his nomination. this week we look at her skill at maneuvering. she wants to be the most powerful democrat in america but doing it without running for president. let's talk a little bit about elizabeth warren. let me read this from a story in politico. this is what barney frank had to
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say about elizabeth warren. she has no chance to win, none. she would kill her credibility if she did. she's devoted her life to issues she cared about. and the second people perceive her as ambitious, interested in running, that's over. is that part of the mystique here is she's not running and it gives her more appeal and power? >> i think she is a mission driven politician not out of personal ambition. she didn't jump for the chance to run for senate. she had to be convinced to do that. she had a long career before that as a law professor and advocate dealing with very you know pocketbook issues for americans. there's not a lot of ambition in the obvious political way. i also, from talking to her over the years and people who worked with her over the years, think that's how she sees helverself well. i think she's looking for a way
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to be effective. >> we're so conditioned in this country everybody is about if you're ambitious you want to be a senator -- president. if you're in the senate and you want to be the most powerful democrat in senate. >> it's striking how much power she has. she killed the treasury nomination. she has been influential in student loan. she's been the leasisiaison to progressive groups. there is -- i'm struck by you know just how much fervor there is for her out there in the grass roots. i will say you know for someone who continues to make it pretty clear what i see is she really doesn't want this there's a lot of people making money off of it with the groups and things. she's a boon for that and stuff too. if she wants to run, this is her moment. she's maybe just a little bit
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younger than hillary. i can't remember the exact age. two years. if she wants to run now, four years could be too late eight years too. as we were talking earlier, especially with everything that's gone on with hillary, who is the next person. >> we might have a different story. i wonder do republicans look at what elizabeth warren has tapped into? the energy she's tapped into? is there a lesson for republicans in what she's connected with. >> i don't know so much that there's a lesson they learned from elizabeth warren per se. but i think that they see forming on the left what they've had to deal with on the right, that there is this untapped energy. she is now finding a way to tap into it very much the way rand paul is tapped to it or ted cruz has tapped to it on the right. i think they are sort of watching to see how it played out. i think for elizabeth warren the
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is today the day we hear from hillary?
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thanks for staying with us this saturday morning. hillary clinton is scheduled to speak tonight in miami. remarks earlier this week she ignored the e-mail controversy swirling around her. this hour we'll be returning to selma trying to get thoughts from people down there, including melissa harris perry on this historic day. we'll be tackling the importance of a presidential response boat now and back then in 1965. on the show this hour the supreme court hears oral arguments in the case hoping to dismantle obamacare. this morning, our first chance to hear what was actually said during those proceedings this week and to figure out what it all means. al. we begin this hour with hillary clinton who will be speaking a little while from now at a gathering of the clinton global initiative. we will be watching to see if the former secretary of state decides to address the biggest early obstacable to the presidential campaign that she is expected to launch soon. the obstacsult the growing fear
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of the use of her private non-government e-mail address to conduct her business as secretary of state. a revelation this week that years' worth of correspondence was run from a server in her new york home and was not preserved bite the state department. jeb bush bush went after her in iowa last night. >> for security purposes, you need to be behind a firewall that is recognized the world for what it is. it's a dangerous world. security would mean that you couldn't have a private server. just -- it -- it's baffling to be honest with you that didn't come up in secretary clinton's thought process. >> it's not just republicans speaking to new hampshire. democrats last night former maryland governor who was considering challenging clinton
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for the democratic presidential nomination. he stopped short of criticizing clinton directly but he did say openness and transparency are required of governing in the modern age. presidential contenders aren't the only ones weighing in. the house panel investigating benghazi has issued subpoenas for more information about clinton's e-mails. the associated press is considering legal action under unfulfilled requests for information from clinton's tenure as secretary of state. now in response to the growing firestorm clinton tweeted i want the public to see my e-mail. i asked state to release them. they said they will review them for release as soon as possible. those 26 words are the entirety of what we've heard from the former secretary of state on this matter so far. sources close to the hillary camp telling bloomberg news that hillary plans to say little on
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the matter. the hope of her innercircle is she'll be able to address the e-mail controversy as a minor element of her expected announcement. that has left clinton allies to fill the void. david brock attacking "the new york times" for suggesting she might have broken federal rules. >> let's not have a situation where the normal journalistic rules apply to everybody but hillary clinton. and let's not forget the real story here is that you've got a dying benghazi investigation on capitol hill. there are people trying to breathe new life into it. >> all right. here to talk about all this our panel is back. joining us a senior fellow with media matters, a media group that monitors press coverage who i'm sure has opinions about hillary clinton and the press. these things sort of dissolve into partisan food fights.
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this seems like a big deal. there is a directive in 2009 from the obama administration that you can't be doing private business -- public business on a private e-mail account. and now it turns out her entire dprauns four years as secretary of state was done privately. >> right. what's the definition of a big deal? as we found out, john kerry is the first secretary of state to use an e-mail account. it was passed in 2014. obviously, questions are going to be asked. we'll be looking into this forever as i mentioned yesterday. the benghazi committee is going to spend millions investigating something that has nothing to do with the benghazi attack. in terms of the process coverage, jeb bush was talking. i read a washington post column that held him up as this model of transparency because he released e-mails. he useered a private account. he had his own server. >> i hear this -- because this has been the push back i've heard from a lot of clinton
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defenders defenders, it's not just us. i understand and i take the point. she was secretary of state. you're talking potentially national security information here. you're talking about -- i understand ininitial reports suggested maybe laws were broken here. it does not seem to be the case. it is unprecedented in a way because no president before president obama in 2009 reacting to what he saw as the excessive secrecy of the bush administration. no president had ever put a directive forward saying this isn't happening on my watch and then it happened. >> again, you know these are questions that have to be answered. in terms of the media, i'd like to see some context. i'd like to see a wider -- this has become a story about her e-mail account. right. you know, "the new york times" had a big story. we haven't seen any new revelation since then. we're into archiving protocol. let's talk about everybody. if you're going to brag about your transparency let's look
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into transparency. >> i like the work you do i disagree slightly with you on this point. i do think it's important that cabinet level separates her from jeb bush. i went through jeb bush's e-mails that found a lot of things that shouldn't have been there that was there. al i think there's abug problem of him holding back his own stuff. the clinton campaign such as it is they're into this defensive crouch and start talking to reporters and telling us things that are not true. i was told by a clinton advocate speaking for her, that everything was preserved by the state department. it turns out it wasn't. a lot of stuff didn't go to state department recipients were not preserved. it's not inpress is bealing up on her. there's an awful dysfunction between clinton people and the press: press. they start saying things that aren't true. instead of a level four fire
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becomes 13. >> we should put out on that point you're making about who was preserving these things. what we have right now, hillary has turned over to the state department they're saying 55,000 pages. okay. what we don't know is now we're relying on them to say hey this is everything. since there's no federal archivests who control of it. you're letting the office holder say i think this should be in the public. >> i have 55,000 e-mails in my inbox. over a four year period that's a lot. i think this feeds into -- if it weren't the clintons and if we didn't have the hospital of them being skeptical of the press like white water. i think it brings up all that. the ideas of secrecy and the fact that if you look at this trying to circumvent something. the way that they've handled it instead of coming out and saying a statement they've said it through people. she doesn't sound like she's going to address it tonight.
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she didn't at the emily's list gala. it's one of these things if you get out ahead of it and do this -- we saw like e-mail chains back and forth with her spokesman. they have a very combative relationship. >> i agree with that. at the end of the day, there are two aspects to this i think are very intriguing to me. one is you've got the server in your home which you shouldn't have had in the first place. instead of a 26 word tweet, give them the server. so put that out there so then you begin to david's point, break down this wall of you know secrecy that you tend to create as clinton. and, two, on the benghazi piece. a lot of folks says this is an investigation into nowhere. but now you've got these documents that exist, these e-mails that exist on a private server in a home. we don't know how much of that plays into a benghazi narrative
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or not. the furthering of that narrative by her own hand is part of the problem. >> this reminds me of -- we talk about the combative relationship between the clintons and the press. i think back to the 1990s and white water. it was scandal that led absolutely nowhere. in part because of how the clintons stonewalled with a lot of information requests on that. it fed the suspicion. and what that suspicion produced was the monica lewinsky thing. you have the benghazi thing which has not proven to be a scandal before. what it has produced at this point is the revelation about her e-mail use. >> there is two sides. a lot of people say they mistrust the press, they're always hiding things. look at it from their perspective. what does the press retenelyoutinely do and blow them out of proportion. >> what is that all about?
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>> there's been the simmering contempt. the very dysfunctional during the 90s white water. people forget. that was co-sponsored by "the new york times" for five years. hundred of articles. endless editorials about their criminality. >> what do you say is driving it? a personal vendetta against the clintons? >> there's a weird dysfunctional relationship. they chase them and chase them. what happened bill clinton left office as the most popular president in modern history. we saw this sort of frenzy last summer. hillary's book tour -- >> does the media have it in for the clintons? >> i don't think it's that direct. what's happening is the people who went after the clintons more than anyone else in the 90s was the right wing media. they start would trooper gate. >> that was david brock -- >> jerry falwell was selling a
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documentary that proved the clintons had killed 27 people. the right went after the clintons like we'd never seen before. the media comes in the times and other people what they do i think kind of -- at least as far as the clintons see it bleeds over into this other attack. so they get very defensive. very quickly and they have a hard time discerning between the different forms of incoming. and that's -- >> she kind of blamed them too saying that they loved barack obama, that they didn't give him as much scrutiny. you can think back to one of the snl skits that they were giving him all the favorable questions. exactly. exactly. >> after all of these years in the public life that this team would have a clue in how to deal with all this stuff. and not create the noise on the left or the right that they get from the media. and the clintons are as much their worst enemies in this than
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their real enemies. >> look we all know she's certainly preparing to run. we all assume she's going to run. however, the revelation of this week beyond the headlines, is sort of the presumption of acrimonious relationship between the clintons and the president. is there any part of the clintons, hillary clinton that looks at this and says i don't want this grief anymore? >> no. >> they got to figure out a way to deal with them. the press -- we are not going away. they're going to be following her. they have been following her every move. they are so skeptical. i think to a fault that it does sort of cause this additional blow back. think back to one of the initiatives last month. they wouldn't let the press go to the bathrooms by themselves. there was a report of following the reporters to the bathroom. >> whether she and -- institutionally they have a tenure or not remains. to your point, you think after a certain number of years, they
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would have sort of figured this out. but, you know one reason they lost in 2008 was, i think, because of the approach they took, not just towards the media but towards the fight against the barack obama. and they went after him in a way that many people in the press thought was unfair. i was on those calls every day. and they were saying things about barack obama and the rest of the press were saying we don't have a dog in the fight but this is silly what you're saying. >> i disagree. 2008 it's totally separate category. that was a whole separate thing. al i go back to the summer. she had the book tour. you go back and read the clips. it was a disaster. the book tour from -- she was rusty and awful. her polls went up. there is a massive disconnect between the d.c. press and voters particularly democratic voters. >> at that point just in general how the press covers everything y take your point on
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that. i guess when you say it's something specific to the clintons -- i want to end in this in 2016 do you think there is something between the press and the clintons -- when you look at 2016 is the press going to derail her? >> no. chuck todd wrote hillary clinton gets no benefit of the doubts. it's a tradition. in 2016 they will have to appeal to voters. it's always going to be about the voters. >> the press is going to write whatever societytory they want to write against her. 50 points against a republican doesn't matter now. it will matter later. >> 50 points ahead against joe biden. >> thank you for taking time this morning. the panel will be back later in the hour. coming up, this hour live pictures from new york city as we get ready to turn the clocks forward tonight. i am not looking forward to that. we'll discuss the pros but mostly the cons of daylight
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since 1988 c span the specialty cable channel for all things washington. has been begging the supreme court to let it broadcast supreme court proceedings. since 1988 the supreme court has turned c span down. justice anthony kennedy saying in 2007, all in all i think it would destroy a dynamic that is quite a splendid one. i don't think we should take that chance. it puts the court in an awkward position like they were this week in the latest challenge to the affordable care act. the case known as king v burr well. there's been public appetite for
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information about this case. if the court rules against obamacare in this challenge, it would effectively gut the law affecting more than 6 million americans whose healthcare prices could sky rocket overnight. the challenge the supreme court heard this week involves the saubsdies that are at the heart of the obamacare law. the lawyers challenging the law saying the subsidies can only be fade by the government in states that choose to set up their healthcare exchanges. the obama administration argues the subsidies are intended to everywhere. so the supreme court hears a case affecting more than 6 million people and many states around the country. most people cannot see it or hear about it until now. the supreme court releases audio tapes at the end of the week. brand new this morning, we have for you audio from inside the supreme court and some of our first glimpses in how the justices may be thinking.
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>> thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. al i want to get to some of these clips. one of them you wrote about this week. this is from the questions of justice anthony kennedy. he is usually seen one of the swing voter. let me play his questioning on this and ask for your reaction to why it's significant. >> from the point of the dynamic of federalism. it does seem to me that there is something very powerful to the point. that if your argument is accepted, the states are being told either create your own exchange or we'll send you insurance market into a death spiral. we'll have people pay mandated taxes which will not get any credit on the subsidies. cost of insurance will be sky high. this is not coercion. it seems to me that under your argument, perhaps you will prevail in the plain words of the statute.
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there is a serious constitutional problem if we adopt your argument. >> my legal experience consists of watching la law repeats. break this down in layman's terms so i can understand the significance of that moment. >> can i start by thanking you for your rant for not being able to hear the audio. it's maddening. thank you for playing it. this really becomes, i think, the linchpin of the argument. it's the moment everybody in the room goes -- first of all anthony kennedy did not seem to be in play. we saw he wrote the decent in the last obamacare in 2012. he was ready to strike down the entire statute. going into argument folks didn't think kennedy was going to be undecided. folks thought he was going to vote with the conservatives to do whatever he could to get the statute. this is important because it shows kennedy is thinking hard and on the merits. this is a state's right federalism argument that was not made in the briefs.
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it was made in a supplemental. the argument is there is a state's rights problem with the petitioner's argument because you cannot give the states billions of dollars in tax subsidies and i think them away without warning. this goes back to long history of these federal state cooperative programs where the federal government is never allowed to kind of jerk the states around in exactly the way you heard kennedy say where either you create an exchange or we send you into a death spiral was his language. this argument is the sleeper argument in a case that's otherwise just about the text. four words in the text of this 900 page statute. everything turned suddenly when justice kennedy says i think there's a states rights problem. i should add the oral advocate says that's not in the briefs. kennedy said we're allowed to think about thinks that are not in the brief. it looks like he may vote with
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the liberal wing to say i'm going to vote with the statute. >> this is from anthony scalia. the idea that if the ruling went with the plaintiffs here, the people opposing obamacare, if the subsidies were taken away the implications of that. let's listen to scalia on that. >> do you think congress is going to sit there while all of these disastrous consequences ensue? how often have we come out with a decision such as the bankruptcy court decision congress adjusts and enacts a statute that takes care of the problem. m it happens all the time. why is that not going to happen here? >> this congress your honor, theoretically -- >> it seems like a pretty good rebuttal to me. this congress doesn't do anything. it barely kept the government open. does that response does that carry any water, though? >> well first of all, it's a
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great moment because you can hear people in the chamber laughing, including members of congress sitting in the front row and gallery. nancy pelosi laughing when he says this congress? it's clear everybody in the room says good luck with that. what i think is important that underlies that question is that both justice scalia and sam olito who are signing with the petitionerers here ready to say no subsidies to the states that don't create exchanges. both of them acknowledge this will create a crisis. they use the language of crisis disaster. i think it's so important that nobody in the room none of the justices including those willing to side with the petitioner think this will be anything but a crisis if they side with the petitioner. i read it justice scalia making the argument that congress will
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fix it more importantly acknowledging that the implications, the real world implications of taking away the tax subsidies are enormous. >> we only have a few seconds. let me ask the panel. does anyone think if the ruling goes against the people fighting obamacare that this finally ends it and this is settled and this is the law and there's no more votes to repeal and people work within the framework? >> there will be votes to appeal on the house side. they'll keep doing this until kingdom come. this is a fragile flimsy argument. it was ginned up by a libertarian think tank. the question is i think if they come up with something more flimsy or not. >> i think it's a legitimate argument. four words. four words and the court has an array of approaches it kwcan take.
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there is a whole bunch of other -- >> they've -- >> no, we don't. we don't. it's all over the map. nancy pelosi -- >> all right. all right. justices i'll let you settle this -- >> at the end of the day, this is not the end of this. there will be more i think, the court will affirm its initial take on obamacare and congress will do what congress will do. >> all right. just quickly. >> i think another person to watch, i was struck by how much chief justice roberts barely spoke in this. it's unlike him. he had a lot of blow back when he sided with the majority. we got very clues into that. i agree, this isn't going to be the end of it. we are seeing more republicans put out plans that i think will be discussed. >> five years after its passed
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in a single place. to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom. so it was at lexington and concord. so it was a century ago at apa mattox mattox. so it was last week in selma, alabama. but, really it's all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice. and we shall overcome. >> those words from lyndon johnson we shall overcome echoing the demonstrators on the streets. it was a watershed moment for the voting rights battle. it was not the end. president johnson received applause for that line but it was nowhere near unanimous. it would be more than two months
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before the southern filibuster was finally broken in the senate five months before the voting rights act of 1965 was signed into law. but what happened in selma moved president johnson to words and actions. 50 years later a different president leading a nation still battling with discrimination. he'll go to selma and speak today. we have already spoke this morning about what president obama's justice department had to say about the pattern of discrimination in ferguson missouri. what might president obama say about that in selma? i'm joined now from selma by an associate professor of political science and we have the author of the fierce urgency of now. let me start with you, to place what happened in some context. looking back 50 years ago, you had bloody sunday in selma, then
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about a week later, president johnson addresses congress in the wake of that. what effect did those words we listened to in the national political debate and what happened next? >> it was a huge speech lyndon johnson put some context on the march in selma. most importantly, when he ended the speech by saying we shall overcome, he used the language of the civil rights movement and embraced it as his own. it was a powerful speech and had a big impact on both parties. the bill was pretty much in place, but it would take several months to pass. in the senate there would be another filibuster against the voting rights bill. and the other problem is many liberals, including ted kennedy, wanted the legislation to be even bolder. in some ways johnson would have to push back against some of those demands. by august the bill would be signed and it was a huge moment in the history of civil rights. >> now, the news of course in
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the last couple of years has been the voting rights act first passed in 1965 extended a couple times since then. the supreme court struck down key provisions in that in the last few years. when you look at the president of the united states going to selma today to cumenerate 50 years. what is it you would like to president to say today? >> i think this gives president obama a great opportunity to use the last two years of his term the lame duck phase, to really move into high gear on sylph rights policy and preserving the legacy of the great society. president obama is an extraordinary president. he is by far deserving of an a minus rating in terms of his handling of the macro economy coming out of the great recession. in terms of civil rates policy i would rate him in the b range. he focus around the symbolic --
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in america. but in terms of putting meat on the stable for policies to preserve the legacy we haven't really seen much of a real initiative. the goj report in ferguson this commemorative march gave president obama the ability to do what many of us believe is in his heart, which is to really edeliver the policies and preserve them for not only african-americans, but the american people. >> on the ground in selma, there question of policy but there is symbolism. symbolism can be powerful. i wonder that scene that is going to play out 50 years after bloody sunday where the black president of the united states crossing that bridge on the 50th anniversary. that is powerful symbolism. >> that is right. the symbolism couldn't be more
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appropriate when you think 50 years ago protesters were bloodied and beaten on that bridge where president obama will speak. the congressional dellgration are pulling up in their buses. a young man i spoke to talked about his family growing up in selma and the stories they heard of people being killed and beaten. a death sparked this whole thing. he kept saying i can't believe president obama wil be here in selma. how appropriate is it 50 years later with so many bridges we've crossed that the president is here. when you're talking to folks on the ground it's hard to find anyone whose family wasn't involved in bloody sunday or the subsequent marches. regardless of the policy there are serious policy questions about how we actually heal and continue to heal all the wounds that black americans are suffering. for folks on the ground whose families participated in so many
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hard fought victories, to have that black man, the first frin president of the united states here in selma, they couldn't ask for anything more. >> as we say msnbc will have live coverage throughout the day. please stay tuned for that. my thanks for right now to all of you. appreciate you all joining us. as we say we will have the remarks this afternoon. the president of the united states on the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday speaking in selma. tomorrow we'll have a special show cumenerating that. coming up, the clintons picked up tha charitable foundation, she's a familiar face to any clinton watcher.ni stay with us we'll tell you who she is. curl up with their favorite man. but here's the thing: about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and remember, you only take it when you need it.
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an old loyaliest moving back into the fold for 2016. what else do we have? espn, sports news this morning. ncaa penalizes syracuse. this is huge. the ncaa suspended a haulll of fame coach. took away 12 scholarships from the program. ordered 108 wins be vacated. this is an investigation that has lasted for a decade. it goes back to 2003. massive, massive stuff. drug testing policy. academic misconduct. corruption in college sports? >> we think that the ncaa is a bit of racket and not an educational athletic institution. it's not surprising this is happening. but i think, you know i'd like to see an investigation that's wider and that guys actually get paid for the money they make. >> i think we're going to cut in
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right here i'm being told we have live pictures coming in in selma. this is the congressional delegation arriving in buses carrying members of congress to today's 50th anniversary of bloody sunday. arriving now on the scene in selma. you see in the background there, if you can make out any of the who's who there. i can't from this vantage point. those are members of congress. >> if i could say in looking at this shot how sad and disappointing there is no member of the republican leadership that is there. >> mccarthy is. >> good. thank you. >> the number two republican in the house. >> had to be shamed into going. >> there he is right there. you're looking at the number two of the house. it wasn't until yesterday afternoon -- >> i thank you for blowing that up and making it noteworthy. before, the noise yesterday afternoon, there was no one planning to be there.
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>> eric canter had been playing that role. he had come to these commemorations before. >> they forgot he's not there. >> with everything that's going on he said he'll go in the future. this is the big 50th commemoration. this would have put a lot of this to rest if he'd ehave gone. i think it should be a bipartisan issue i think. >> and the question too, is when these buses leave, when the commemoration ends, there is still, you know attempts being made mostly bean democrats, and some republicans, to patch up the voting rights act -- >> they need to. republicans should take the lead on this. we were there in crafting the voting rights act back in the 60s. we were part of that narrative. we should be a part of it now. >> there's no interest in the party or base of the party for this. >> i don't see --
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>> they would do this in a minute. >> i don't want to make this partisan because it isn't. the reality of it is both parties have failed to move this particular agenda. and so it's a little bit of hypocrisy to go standing there. let me make my point. i don't care if you agree or disagree. the point is a a little bit of a hypocrisy and stand there and you know the link between the pettus bridge voting rights act and where we are today and not have done anything in the last two years to address that by either party period. i'm not making a partisan statement. i'm saying this is an important act that needs to be addressed. hopefully people have moved enough to come back and do something. >> since we're talking history here and the 50th anniversary. when you go back and revisit the civil rights votes of the 60s, there was opposition from democrats. there were white southern democrats. otherwise you went across the board and you had liberal democrats in the northeast, conservative republicans in the midwest. they shared the value and came
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together. >> if you haven't seen the movie, go see it. it puts a striking face on it and how brutal this was. it's a very very moving. i saw it a couple weeks ago with my parents who graduated in 19 6 5. it was great to talk with them about what they remembered during that time. talk with your parents and grandparents about this. >> it would be great if the republicans would stop trying to suppress the votes before we get to patching up the voting rights act. >> it's part of the same narrative. so, you know at the end of the day, for me i don't see this as partisan through that prism. i see this as a civil rights issue. if you're going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk like those folks did across the bridge. >> melissa harris perry is live on the ground in selma. she is going to be with us on the other side of this break to tell us about what she's seeing today. i wish... please, please, please,
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also for more on everything we're looking forward to today. a busy and important day in selma, alabama. we head down to selma where melissa harris-perry is standing by live. in fact her entire show originating from selma this morning. we just saw the members of congress being bussed in a minute ago. a last-minute addition kevin mccarthy there too. set the scene for us and what are you expecting today? >> this is a day that in many ways is -- i heard the panel was having a discussion about whether or not this is fundamental a partisan issue. importantly this is an american moment. this is about both where our country has been but also where we are right now. so what i would absolutely agree with the panel from earlier is this is not just a commemorative march. this is not just about something that happened 50 years ago and the courage and the importance of what occurred in that place. this is very much an active
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march in this moment for the question of the preservation of voting rights and whether or not we're going to allow access to the ballot to be eroded. all this is happening against a backdrop of the ferguson report this week in which we have clear indication about the continuing realities of inequality in this country. people call it a jubilee here a celebration of what has been accomplished, but also a sober and american moment about what kind of nation we want to be going forward. >> melissa harris-perry she is live in selma. she will be live all day and especially for the next two hours. her show is coming up right after this. also thanks to our panel for being part of the show today. appreciate that. stay tuned for melissa harris-perry next. plus a special kmemcommemorating the entire selma event is going to air tomorrow. stay tuned throughout the weekend. we'll see you back here tomorrow morning. thanks for joining us.
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good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry live in selma, alabama. today is the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday. >> today we want the world to know that we are presenting our bodies as living witnesses and testimonies to the truth as we see it. >> we're marching today to dramatize to the nation dramatize to the world the hundreds and thousands of citizens denied the right to vote. >> this is one of the greatest moments that has ever occurred in the history of our

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