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american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. retracing the steps of history. good morning to you. thanks for getting up with us on this sunday. a landmark moment in the civil rights moment. another full day of events planned for today in selma, alabama. one-year anniversary no one was have expecting to have malaysia flight as well.
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>> we'll try to find more about the new 2016 candidate. polling very well. and one democrats are counting on running. what if hillary clinton actually decides against it do democrats have a fallback plan? chris christie's hecklers in iowa one sign of opposition he's facing from the conservative base of his party. all that and russian spies 1980s style. we'll get to that a little bit ahead on the show this morning. but we begin today with president obama's speech in selma, alabama. the president, his family over 100 members of congress. former president george w. bush all of them matching yesterday on the same streets and the same bridge that peaceful civil rights activists were beaten on in 1965. among those attacked and nearly killed that day, a future member of congress georgia's john lewis, back in selma yesterday
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with the president. >> if someone had told me that we would when we were crossing this bridge that i would be back here introducing the first african-american president, i would have said you're crazy, you're out of your mind. you don't know what you're talking about. president barack obama. >> selma shows us that america is not the project of any one person. because the single most powerful word in our democracy is the word "we." we the people. we shall overcome. yes, we can. that word is owned by no one. it belongs to everyone. >> also from the president, a blunt plea for americans to
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alcohol acknowledge how much farther there is to go toward racial equality. >> chon mistake is to suggest that ferguson is an isolated incident, that racism is banished, that the word that drew men and women to selma is complete. and what's left is those seeking to use the race card for their own purposes. we don't need a ferguson to know that's not true. we just need to open our eyes our ears our hearts to know that this nation's history still casts its long shadow upon us. >> also the reminder of the horrors that happened 60 years ago led republicans and democrats to pass the voting act, and now is a victim of washington's partisan gridlock. >> right now in 2015 50 years after selma, there are laws
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across this country designed to make it harder for people to vote. meanwhile the voting rights act, the culmination of so much blood, so much sweat and tears, the product of so much sacrifice in the face of one violence the voting act stands weakened. its future subject to political rankor. how can that be? president reagan signed its renewal when he was in office. president george w. bush signed its renewal when he was in office. 100 members of congress have come here today to honor people who were willing to die for the right to protect it. if we want to honor this day, let that hundred go back to washington and gather 400 more and, together, plan to -- make it their mission to restore that law this year. that's how we honor those on this bridge.
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>> cnbc national correspondent joy reed has been down there all this week. let's start on the president's speech yesterday. what was it like to be there for that? what was your reaction to what he had to say? >> reporter: well i wasn't actually there at the bridge. would have loved to have been. i think it was really a moving speech. i think it was one of the best speeches that the president has given. it was important to a lot of people, particularly african-americans, to see the first black president actually put himself in the trajectory of race progress in the country, in a way that i think people hadn't heard him do before. and to make the point very overtly that the election of the first black president, that his own election was not the end of the struggle for racial equality. it was a marker of progress whether he acknowledged that listen the country is still imperfect and you simply can't declare the end of history because he was elected. this president was a direct product of the activism of john
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lewis, of fred shuttlesworth, of the people who marched across the bridge. the fact that he's a direct product of that made it really important and poignant for him to actually be the president that is here marking the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday. >> and so the anniversary, the official anniversary yesterday, obviously. the president speaking yesterday, returning to washington. there's a lot more that's going to be happening in selma today. can you tell us more about what's on tap for today? >> there's a strange sort of bifurcated nature of the celebrations here in selma. yesterday that was the actual anniversary to the day, the 7th of march you had the president, the huge congressional delegation that had an event here at the church behind me first and then marched over and participated with the president. today, the celebration is more about the city of selma itself. it's a more local celebration. this is the one that they do every year. there's a re-enactment that
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takes place. there's a march that takes place every year. that's the one that's happening today. it was an interesting sense that it was sort of acknowledged by the world yesterday and now this community actually gets the opportunity to do their own re-enactment, their own acknowledgement. >> national correspondent joy reid live in selma, alabama. thank you for taking a few moments with us. >> thanks steve. president george w. bush was in attendance yesterday, former secretary of state hillary clinton were in south florida for the clinton global initiative. hillary clinton had this to say about what was happening in selma. >> our country is marking an historic anniversary of the long march toward equality and a more perfect union. but also recommitting to carry the cause forward into the 21st century. >> bill clinton sent his thought via this tweet.
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we have eleanor clift, harry bacon jr., senior political reporter with msnbc news and publisher at the federalist, senior fellow at the heartland institute. so i guess let's talk about the president's speech here for a minute. the reviews i've seen -- the response to this seems stronger than he usually generates. >> it was very personal the place and the setting was obviously very important. he spoke about race eloquently. he sounded -- i'm sure it wasn't frame this had way. definitely rejoinder of sorts about how obama reviews america and how he doesn't respect it whatever. here's my view of what american progress is like. my view is we're continuing to evolve and how america is a "we" and it's an idea and we made racial progress we have more to
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go. he doesn't talk about that stuff a lot. he gave detail about it was forceful in talking about the voting rights. i thought he touched on a lot of themes that he ofb often doesn't. >> from the right, listening to it did you find it to be a unifying message that he was delivering? >> i'm not sure i did. i actually agree that his oratory was really one of the best speeches he has given as president. i also think this is a moment where you need i think, to step back from some of the partisanship and talk more about the plight of black america in the wake of selma and everything that we haven't been able to achieve when it comes to educational and economic progress. he talked about it a little bit. you need to have some of these more unifying themes out of this presidency. what kind of legacy he wants to have when it comes to fatherhood issues, educational issues. i think he stressed more the
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voting right side of things. republicans are more open -- more reconsidering the fights they had on voting rights issues. it's a real conflict in the republican party. by stressing those issues first, they've actually closed off their ability to reach black communities simply by stressing these issues first, it's closed off a door where we might be able to reach out and broaden our base. >> former president george w. bush eleanor, there yesterday. he signed the extension of the voting rights act almost ten years ago now. number two, kevin mccarthy. republican leadership ended up going yesterday. what ben was saying about the republican party rethinking the resistance to legislation to fix what the supreme court stuck down a couple of years ago. are you seeing that as well? >> the voting rights act was never controversial before. people are clamoring. that's where the art of history
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was leading. i don't see it changing as long as you've got that group of house republicans who seem to want to object to whatever this president wants to do. but i think you have to fault the white house, too. the president made an eloquent point in defending and pushing the voting rights act but is he going to keep talking about it? you can't in washington and in this country have one wonderful speech. this is a great book end to the speech he made. he brilliantly addressed the critics who say we haven't done enough. things are just the same and, you know people who are ignoring the progress that we're making. he's talking to the two-thirds of americans who didn't vote in the last election i think hoping to produce a rallying cry that may lead into 2016 and beyond. he has to keep at it. i think that's been the fault so much with this white house, that he drops the ball on these issues. your point about the legacy
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it's clear what he's going to do with his post presidency. it's going to be about race about education, about black youth. >> first let me play another clip. this is the president talking about cynicism in his speech. let's play that. >> if you think nothing has changed in the past 50 years, ask someone who lived through selma, chicago, or los angeles of the 1950s. ask the female ceo who once might have been assigned to the secretarial pool if nothing has changed. ask your gay friend if it's easier to be out and proud in america now than it was 30 years ago. to deny this progress this hard-won progress our progress would be to rob us of our own agency, our own capacity our responsibility to do what we can to make america better. >> so what eleanor was just
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saying it actually strikes me -- it's on point there. i mean the knock on obama a lot of times has been well he's a great orator but what can you follow it up with? to have a former president, to have the platform of a former president able to deliver addresses like this like we heard yesterday -- he will leave office at a fairly young age of former presidents, there's an ability to leave a mark on -- >> it depends on the attitude that he has. disappointed in his presidency when it comes to their economic situation, with the promises he made in terms of uniting the country. there's an opportunity for him to rise above that and become the lowered you're describing. the mistake he would make -- i think this is the mistake we've seen historically in the case of some past presidents level of bitterness feeling they achieved more than they were given credit for. i think that's the problem that he's going to face in his own
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personal decision. if he goes the track you're talking about, he can be a unifying post presidential figure who is making these kind of oratories and inspiring people. if he goes the route of sort of trying to rewrite the way he was depicted basically saying i would have been considered greater if i want maligned by my critics. >> well -- >> there is a tendency. george w. bush's numbers are up. public says nice things about bill clinton. that might stop with the next election. >> he already started this my brother's keeper's program. post presidency life. we already know he's going to work on those issues. in terms of the follow through, the voting rights act, if it doesn't past i would say is not because obama doesn't support it enough but voting has become a partisan issue. voter i.d. laws, republicans think, are discriminatory. democrats support them.
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voting rights has become a partisan issue again in a way i wouldn't have expected. but there's a core divide. the reason kevin mccarthy, republican leaders didn't want to go was probably in part because they know like mccarthy apparently when he was there was pushed by cheryl -- she came up to him and asked him -- >> on those issues. >> are you going to have the voting rights act go to the floor? let's be honest. a lot of the crowd at that event voted for obama. let's not pretend like it was a half and half. >> undecided voters. >> right. no. >> but keaching at it and exploiting the division within the republican party that you talk about, in effect, shaming them if they don't bring it up not with bitterness just introducing it. don't let it die. if we learned 50 years ago that we would be seeing a black president, we wouldn't have believed it. they wouldn't have believed it but they would also say 50 years? we're going to wait half a century? >> point taken?
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keep it here for the continuing coverage of the march in selma. 3:00 pm we'll have a special show commemorating the events in selma 50 years ago. you won't want to miss any of that. still ahead on our show today, first major report to why malaysian 370 disappeared a year ago today. the details that have report. how did this man become the first to enter the 2016 field? why is he polling so well? who he is and why he's poll soeg well after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save.
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they didn't share any organs but did share a major blood vessel and part of the skull. the operation was performed by a medical team of 70 doctors and nurse whose practiced the procedure for five months. >> i will tell you that we did everything humanly possible to bring this off. i don't know whether it will be successful or not. right now things are stable but critical. >> that was from september of 1987. it's the first mention we could find in our nbc news archives of dr. ben carson. and that is the same dr. ben carson who this week became the first republican to announce a republican exploratory committee and promptly found himself in his first controversy. >> do you think being gay is a choice? >> absolutely. >> why do you say that? >> a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight and when they come out they're gay. he apologized saying there's no excuse for his remarks and
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there's no sign that anything is changing for him because of that in the polls. real clear politics average of the republican field places him ahead of some of the more mainstream candidates like chris christie and marco rubio. he is well known and very well liked within the conservative movement but the name ben carson is probably a new one to most americans. who is he? how did he end up near the top of the gop pack? you saw he was the first doctor ever to perform surgery on twins conjoined at the back of the head with both babies surviving. major division at the acclaimed john hopkins medical center renowned specialists in his field. even a 2009 movie made about his life starring cuba gooding jr. but politically, ben carson's big break came two years ago when he spoke at the national prayer breakfast offering a scathing critique practically to president obama's face. >> i think particularly about ancient rome very powerful.
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nobody could even challenge them militarily. but what happened to them? they destroyed themselves from within. moral decay. fiscal irresponsibility. they destroyed themselves. and if you don't think that can happen to america, you get out your books and you start reading. >> the day after that speech in 2013 the conservative wall street journal writes an editorial, ben carson for president. the youtube clip has .5 million views to date passionative conservative base into the role he has carved out for himself right now, raising the question, how far can ben carson ride that wave? joining our panel this morning, we have eliana johnson, editor for the national review. she wrote an article about this
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question. you write in your article, this line jumped out to me. he is the unobama. what does that mean? >> well carson is somebody who is unquestionably qualified in his field of choice. as you mentioned recently just now, he is at the very tiptop of his field. and he came from nothing. as a neuro surgeon, his credentials are absolutely unimpeachable. when obama was elected people really said who is this guy? he came from nothing and he doesn't really have the credentials to be president. so the question i think, lingering in the air now is ben carson, he's not qualified in the field of politics. but his qualifications in the field of medicine people have got to respect. i think that's why he is being allowed all this room in the realm of politics. >> and i think sort of the cynical -- and i would say this is the most common thing we hear
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when we're hearing about these poll numbers, how surprising it is he's doing but they're not taking the numbers so seriously because they're saying this is like herman cain all over again. not tested as a candidate. he will meltdown under the spotlight like we saw this week in the cnn interview. is that a fair critique of his prospects? >> i think it's a fair critique but i think it misses something. carson is extremely likable. he has real grass roots support. and he has an incredibly inspirational horatio story. he has compared the u.s. to nazi germany and refused to retract that. the difference this week, did he apologize apologize. he has chairmen in every county in iowa all 99 counties and has the potential to be a real
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disrupter can't dade because of his popularity. he has gotten more exposure on fox news because of many of the contenders, jeb bush marco rubio. the question is will he become a more disciplined messenger of the conservative message? that remains to be seen but the gafs gaffes have got to stop, someone saying being gay is a choice these are the mistakes that the carrier of the conservative message cannot make. conservatives want to win. they may like ben carson but they want to win. somebody who says stuff like that will not be the person who wins in 2016. >> what do you guys make of the ben carson phenomena right now? we talk so much about chris christie but if you look at the polls, ben carson is doubling tripling right now. >> the person i'm asked about the most is ben carson populous base of the tea party. i would push back a little against that this is that much of a gaffe that hurts him with
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that base. largely because if you look at the numbers, americans are roughly split on whether being gay is a choice. i was surprised that pew put out the numbers and only 20% of african-americans in america think being gay is something you're born with. 66% think it's a choice. i'm not sure it hurts him that much in the social conservative base in iowa that they're going to pull away from something like that. i think that's one of the reasons he will be a spoiler candidate in the early going. >> you guys how far can he go? >> i think he could win iowa. i think he could be maybe the rick santorum of this cycle. i don't see him in the end winning the nomination. but, you know there are lots of reasons to run for president, short of thinking you can win. he is a motivational speaker. i think he has a career ahead of him now on the lecture circuit. i think he cares deeply about these issues. he was a brilliant neuro
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neuro surgeon. i'm not sure that gives him -- and i don't think the comment about being gay is a gaffe. that's how he feels. >> you're right, there's more reasons for running than to win the presidency. thanks to eliana johnson with the national review. >> thanks so much steve. everyone thinks it's a sure thing. but what if hillary clinton suddenly decided not to run after all, what would democrats do if that happened? new questions in the morning papers about jeb bush and education. those details are next. stay with us. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium
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we react to them. this is from vice. here is the headline. the state department's first official release of the hillary clinton e-mail. vice has come up with one e-mail here. bill clinton didn't write it sent to her private e-mail on christmas eve 2010. wikileaks update wishes her a merry christmas. the rest is redacted. freedom of information act. here we go. 55,000 pages of e-mails. now we have one. it says merry christmas. we should add as well president obama was asked about clinton's e-mails last night. he has weighed in. here is what he has to say. let's play that. >> when did you first learn that hillary clinton used an e-mail system outside the u.s. government for official business while she was secretary of state? >> the same time everybody else learned it through news reports. >> yeah. so he didn't want to talk too much about that it sounds like. >> that's an interesting answer. if you believe the stories, hillary clinton only has a
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nongovernment e-mail. hence, the president is saying he has never e-mailed with her before. it's an interesting story. >> well -- >> did he not e-mail did they not -- it's an interesting question. >> the word exclusively, if he communicated with her in a private e-mail the assumption is she probably also had a government one and that she was reserving that for him. i mean i don't -- i think he hedged -- that answer is very carefully crafted. >> every answer i'm hearing on this story -- from the associated press, bill clinton defending the other controversy. an event in miami he was asked by comedy central's received donation from foreign governments. quote, clintons my theory is to let people make their judgments. i believe we have done a lot more good than harm and believe this is a good thing.
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that is certainly a good quote. the headlines about e-mails and lack of disclosure about lack of disclosure with these foreign governments. >> the e-mails thing is an inside the beltway issue i think in the sense that it's something we care more about because we pay more attention to these things and we know kind of what's going on when people are taking these steps. the foreign donations thing in the long term is the area that could prove more problematic simply because there you have the logical progression of quid pro quo and things that could relate to government work. if that's there, we'll see. >> but the one donation where they apparently skirted the law had to do with hurricane relief in haiti. >> exactly. it's a sympathetic side of things. >> they're saying if we're taking money from these bad guys we're putting it to good purposes but ultimately i could see -- >> the ferocity of the media to the e-mails surprised me even in this day and age. huge political press corps out here waiting.
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it's not even red meat. it's a little morsel and it gets them going. >> because of the potential. >> scott walker pretty tough too. >> and somewhere chris christie is saying hey, i've got -- >> yeah. >> teased this last break. charter school in miami fails, proves useful on jeb bush's resume servinge inging poor african-american students in miami. he talked about it in his run for governor ultimately closed in 2008. they're looking at the history of that school how it helped bush politicky and maybe other questions about how that end came about. take a look at that article. not enough time to get into that now. still not show top contenders for the gop nomination under one roof in iowa. how did it go? a lot of clips for you. the big what if democrats do not want to talk about. stay with us for that. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue
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we've gotten girls into primary school but not secondary school. we've gotten more women to contribute to the economic well-being of their families but they're by no means where they should be in terms of economic participation or representation in leadership positions. >> hillary clinton in miami last night, discussing the progress made since she went to china 20 years ago, famously declared that women's rights are human rights. on tuesday, former secretary of state will be addressing a gathering of the united nations in new york on that topic. biggest news about clinton continues to be revelation that is she used a personal e-mail address to conduct all her official business during her tenure of secretary of state. she did not discuss it in her speech last night and has not discussed it publicly since the story broke. clinton's return to day-to-day politics could be a bumpy one. she remains the overwhelming --
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stress overwhelming favorite these events have prompted some to wonder what kind of backup plan do democrats ss have? clinton has already shored up the nomination but urges biden on saying quote, you can't actually know the shape of the democratic field unless and until you jump into it. politico calling the unthinkable, what if hillary bows out? difficult for her to capture the big corporate donors. nomination would probably de devolve to the most persuasive and hillary like of the nonhillarys someone adept at co-opting the best of the warren rhetoric while also calming the nerves of the democratic donor base. senior editor for the progressive campaign of
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america's future. bill, before we get to handicapping the post hillary review here possibility that democrats will need a fallback for 2016 how do you look at that right now? >> i think it's exceedingly low. all things that the clintons have been through the past 20 years, this e-mail flack is pretty low on the list of stuff they've had to survive. that's not going to take her out f you're a political professional you have to think about the improbable. people who get ahead in this business take advantage of random moments. if you're christian jillgillenbrand, for example, who am i going to call, the doors i'm going to tap, the infrastructure i'm going to build up. swreb bush is in a much better place because he moved early. >> contingency planning and weird things happen in politics just in general. >> yes. >> the big question has always been -- even if there's no
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hillary clinton, elizabeth warren does not rocket to the top of that list? >> what's odd, they're not prepared for this scenario. draft warren folks are and would hit the ground running on that random day that clinton bows out. but warren would not get first mover advantage. if she sits back to think about it she would not have as easy an access to the entirety of the democratic donor but there's definitely true believer wealthy donors out there. >> anti-wall street movement in a party that still takes a lot of money from wall street and finance interests -- >> obama lost to wall street money 2012. that's not the entirety of the corporate element of the democratic party. that piece was not sufficient to undercut him in 2012. i think there is more of a pragmatism element to that base that gets unnerved with a candidate that is
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uncompromising. >> too far to the left? so here is the question then. who does jump in and try to fill that void if there's no hillary? >> the obvious ones people are already flirting. biden, martin o'malley jim webb. but none of those set the donors hearts aflame or the grass roots aflame, quite frankly. kristin gilebrand, john hickenlooper. there's a whole bunch of folks who potentially could jump in who have a case to make. and the person who has thought through what their game plan is would have the best chance of catching fire. >> so what are we thinking here? >> let's start with hillary has hired people to run her campaign. hillary is running for president until we learn otherwise. we would start there. but i think he's right. the list of people who are thinking about running against hillary is not the same list who would run a nonhillary environment.
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gillebrand is number one. big push for a woman president. gillebrand has a lot of the same donors hillary does. she has done a lot of the sort of if hillary doesn't run. she's, to me, the number one to think about. duvall patrick is another name i might throw in there. the notion that the democratic field is weak is not quite correct. biden and o'malleys are not very strong. but the people waiting in the wings -- i think if hillary tomorrow said i'm not running a lot of people would be sad but there would be a lot of excitement. there are a lot of people in the democratic party who don't want to see hillary run and a lot of people in the republican side that aren't excited about bush campaign number three. >> but all these new people are kind of untested, like broad field of the republican party. and i think there's a little bit of a new spring in the step of martin o'malley who has turned
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down the opportunity to run for the senate in maryland which might have been more on his graps than to stick with the presidential thing. swroe biden is out there. >> he wants to run. >> no matter where it leads. and i would also look at john kerry. presidential hopes have not died. if the iran deal happens and you want still someone in the field with experience to go up against mr. experience on the republican side, jeb, who i think is their strongest candidate, so maybe. but it's still hillary. it's still hillary. >> the clinton machine is alive and everything else is dead. >> you're right. >> they own the party. they will win. i just don't think there's anyone who can challenge her even though it would be very entertaining if someone -- the only person i think could beat hillary clinton is michelle
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exactly one year to the day after malaysian airlines flight first comprehensive report into exactly why the plane went missing, 584-page document revealing headlines no bigger perhaps, than the one on page 78. according to the report here according to maintenance records, the ssfdr, ulb battery jargon for the underwater locater beacon that would have pinged when it went down expired
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in december 2012. there's no evidence to suggest hat battery had been replaced expiring more than a year before that plane disappeared. beyond that revelation, verkts say there weren't any red flags, no unusual health issues captain's ability to handle stress cite edd as good. no conflicts or family stress that would is have hindered him. no signs of alcohol or dues use. and weather was reported as being fine. bottom line we still don't know what happened. no one seems to. i have contemplated many possible mh 370 outcomes. "new york times" article this week opponented to a rogue pilot who purposely misguided the plane as perhaps the likeliest theory. in new york magazine jeff wise asked how crazy am i to think that i actually know where that plane is? he tells him his gut tells him the plane was hijacked and flown
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to kazakhstan on the orders of vladimir putin. how crazy is that theory? the plane that wasn't there. why we haven't found malaysian airlines flight 370 joins our panel. jeff give us the layman's version of the theory here. that strikes people as whoa that's a bit out there. the consensus is it's been reported landed somewhere in the ocean, disappeared at the bottom of the ocean and you say not at all the case. >> let me correct that a little bit. the most likely scenario is that it's correct it went to the ocean. is it necessarily true that the plane went to the south? everything we know about this plane's last six hours come from these seven pings, electronic handshakes exchanged between the plane and the satellite. if you look at the math of those pings it unequivocally says that the plane went south. nothing found on the seabed where they searched. it physically possible that it
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couldn't have gone south? is that data compatible in any way with it going north? the 777 has a hatch that's unlocked and accessible from the passenger cabin that leads to what's called an electronics bay where basically the electronic brains of the computer are located. it controls the entire plane and, indeed connects with the satellite data unit responsible for the signals that were used to determine it went south. conceivably, those signaled were spoofed, were tampered with. a report just issued today kind of adds some questions to that because it turns out that this system -- you can turn it off from the cockpit. but that was not done. >> so how was -- if the possibility exists that this thing went north, this thing went to kazakhstan how would that work? how would it land in the middle of a continent and we would have no idea? >> well remember the plane was electronically dark. it wasn't emiting the signals
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that air traffic controllers usually determine where it went. other parts of the data cannot be spoofed or are very difficult to spoof. that data is reliable. you can generate a track from that data alone and it shows that the plane would have gone north over india, along the border between china and pakistan and wound up in kazakhstan, a very large, sparsely populated country that's flat. there's a couple of air strips where it could land or who knows but i identified one particular one in my article. and -- >> you're saying putin, you think possibly putin himself -- >> well listen kazakhstan is a client state of russia. the leader of kazakhstan is the only world leader who stood up after russia next to crimea and said this is a good thing. it's closely ideologically alied with russia. russia has enormous amounts of electronic savvy, space launch
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satellite industry. they have the kind of savvy that you would require for this super sophisticated hack. >> one thing people i think guess say right away to that the idea that putin being behind this in some way would be an act of war, to do that to another country's domestic airliner to hijack it on the orders of a country's leader would be an act of war, right? >> under the guise of it wasn't us. this is the guy standing on the brink, very belligerent actions taking place, russian planes testing nato air space almost constantly. it doesn't seem that far out of character. can i add one thing about the report that was issued today? it wasn't under water pingers that the battery ran out. it was the flight data recorder. this is highly ironic. the cockpit voice recorder erases itself every two hours.
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if this plane is found on the southern ocean bed we are not going to have the voice record or the data recorder if these batteries expired. even if we find the plane we still don't know what happened. >> in abt absence of any hard evidence about what happened to this thing theories abound. jeffrey wise the plane that wasn't there. news and politics a full hour still to come. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save.
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staying in iowa at least for this hour. the closer look at the cattle call that put many of the republican hopefuls out there together in the same room for the first time. will congress listen to the israeli prime minister's warnings against making a deal. spies next door, star of the cold war thriller. what chris christie has been struggling to avoid as he moves toward a presidential campaign. latest coming from his right. the conservative magazine national review out with a new cover story, blasting christie's leadership in new jersey. quote, christi he's administration could have achieved so much more. cynical and beleagued voter erd edd voters that it is possible to change
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the culture of trenton, to overturn the greedy dysfunctional politics that has so consistently earned new jersey a reputation as one of the worst managed states and to set state government on a path toward financial stability and regulatory sanity. but christie still has time to demonstrate just how destructive years of tax boro and spend policies have been this would be a real achievement. in the state of which the new jersey pursued nearly $9 billion in environmental damages from exxonmobil, his chief counsel pushed through a deal to settle that claim for a very small fraction of the pursued amount $250 million, pennies on the dollar of what was potentially available. approval rating in new jersey hitting a new low, down to 35%. you can actually take a look at this on a graph here. you can see, this is his disapproval rating right now, reaching new highs. approval rating reaching new lows. look back over the last couple of years right here this sort
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of was peak for chris christie 77% right after hurricane sandy. this is when his prospects in new jersey never looked better. began to level off a little bit and then crashed when the bridgegate scandal in late 2013 early 2014 hit. that brought him down close to his level right now. pollster who runs that poll telling the public quote, there's a perception he's no longer governing. he's campaigning. as for how that campaigning is going, christie was in iowa to speak to potential republican voters and to speak to protesters who interrupted his remarks. >> so we're doing exactly what we need to do and we need to make sure we do that. i'm glad to see that new jersey has come to iowa. how great is that? great to have you here. and i think you understand i'll deal with you the same way here the way i deal with you in new jersey. i have people follow me
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everywhere. they can't stay away from me. >> we're going to have more on all the republican candidate whose spoke at that summit, the ag summit ahead a little bit this hour. the chris christie part. back at our table, eleanor with the daily beast, harry bacon jr., kate zericky. kate, you have been covering this christie stuff thoroughly the last few years. this news story about exxon, environmental lawsuit from the state. the potential, at least, for $9 billion in damages and then the news this week it was settled at the administration's behest for just $250 million. can you fill in the blanks about why they settled for that amount? >> we don't know why they
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settled. there are good operating theories. partly, the christie administration knew there was going to be a bill that expire in june to use settlements like this to fill the general fund. they talked about the budget is in terrible shape. christie needs this money to fill the budget. there was fear if they waited $3 billion settlement they would appeal. christie wouldn't see that money well until he was out of office or the state wouldn't see that money. it also didn't hurt that exxon is a huge contributor to republicans and conservative causes in general. we don't really know. they haven't justified why they decided to settle this. the state was in a great position. the settlement cams a huge surprise. >> that's the question too. we see those $8 $9 billion out there. realistically, was the state in that position to get that much money? >> the state was arguing that's what it was going to cost to clean up and pay back residents
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for their lost use of this property. i think a lot of people -- people i've talked to say maybe they wouldn't have gotten the $8 billion but they would have gotten $3 billion or so. no one thinks it would have been less than $250 million, which is what they got. >> in the context of national ambitions, we showed the clip. he has been to iowa a couple of times looking to get this presidential campaign started. whether it's the national review on his right going after him, this story in new jersey now about exxonmobil, he has not been able to catch a break for the last six months or so as he gets to the starting line. >> chris christie doesn't have a path path, in my perspective, to the nomination. looking at the polls a few years ago it looked like he was going to be a much bigger candidate, bigger force in terms of the 2016 cycle. the real problem for him is that he doesn't have a story when it comes to the conservative base. he has this personality. and he has some of the initial sort of experiences, the youtube moments that he had.
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but he doesn't have the experience that some of these other governors have in a way that changed their state or how they fixed certain problems. >> the story was supposed to be hey, i won. i won in new jersey the state that voted for obama by 15 20 points. i won with 61% of the vote. >> he won a blue state. >> right. >> his brand of conservative republican politics could win over the country, that he could win. but he's not doing well in new jersey. the personality isn't wearing well. and he's really missed out on the early fund-raising. so i don't know that he has any big donors locked up in his corner that are going to make this run work for him when you need to raise $70 million to be considered at all. >> is there a path for him to pull off to get back into contention for this thing? >> if jeb bush falters, yes. >> part of the clip you showed in iowa the man who ran the form in iowa first name was bruce, who ran in iowa
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yesterday, in 2011 he flew to new jersey and begged chris christie please mr. president, we need you. a lot of reporters have talked to this guy. not sure who i'm for. lot of candidates out there. not really sure. you see this a lot. people who were really big for christie in 2011 begging him to run saying we need you, now saying, well, not so much. >> they've got other options. they preferred them. >> bridgegate. chris christie. revisionist history. what's happen really killed him. the whole reason christie was strong, he was electable, he won so well in a blue state, very popular there. that really is what did it. i know conservatives say the news coverage was negative of him but it really hurt him. >> you're right, the news coverage was rough around that. that did hurt him. his numbers stabilized over the summer. i think the pension, when he decided to put off the pension payments, again, the problem he said he went before the republican convention, said i fixed this problem. when it came out in the summer that he hadn't fixed this
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problem, that's when numbers started to go down again and when he started spending so much time out of the state running for president. people want to feel like their governor is taking care of them. >> there's more -- this is not all new jersey. this is another national story. we have kate here. this is pend inging criminal charges, federal corruption charges being brought against the united states senator, the recordings suggest that could be the case with bob menendez of new jersey. he addressed the reports that emerged friday. let's play what he had to say about that. >> let me be very clear, very clear. i have always conducted myself appropriately and in accordance with the law. every action that i and my office have taken for the last 23 years that i have been privileged to be in the united states congress has been based on pursuing the best policies for the people of new jersey and of this entire country. that's who i am. and i am not going anywhere.
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>> now all of this sort of investigation here is about -- the relationship between menendez and top donor, ophthalmologist in florida, private jet that menendez took later reimbursed for, menendez then turned around and used his position as a senator to advocate for the business interest of this man. the defense i'm seeing is hey, he's my friend this is the normal give and take you would have in a friendship with gifts being given but this is serious. >> that is his defense. we're like brothers. the doctor rushed to his side when menendez's mother was dying. i think that is the defense. it's hard to see these -- it appears to be very aggressive lobbying on his behalf. >> the other piece of this too, to make this more of a national story as well some on the right -- i saw menendez saying this as well. going toe to toe with the administration on this issue over iran and the administration
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wants the iran deal. menendez has a legislation that would cripple the administration on that front. ted cruz talked about the pending doj charges against menendez and put it in that context. this is what he had to say. >> the very week they announce a pending indictment comes within hours after senator menendez showing courage to speak out against president obama's dangerous foreign policy that is risking the national security of this country. >> this is an investigation that's been going on for two years right now. >> more than that. >> but i saw this. one of menendez's supporters in new jersey, someone who is not even republican was putting this line out there yesterday, that this is some kind of retribution. it seems like it might be part of the public relations defense zblie certainly think it's part of the pr defense. i don't know enough about the nature of the case to know whether it has any merit to it. menendez has been a thorn in the
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side of the administration. it's not just iran. >> cuba as well. >> cuba and other things. certainly he's not someone that's been -- the kind of person that's been treated with soft gloves. >> he is among democrats, very hawkish when it comes to -- >> the origin of this case was apparently the use of prostitutes that were provided? >> that was debunked. >> that was debunked. >> that was debunk buddy then the justice department didn't let up. they kept investigating. >> it was a story that had been shopped around many news outlets. they went down checked it out, found nothing there. one conservative outlet reported it. the women recanted said they were paid to give this story. the fbi kept going. they raided the doctors' offices. these are pretty arcane issues as they often are. medicare billing. so that's what's going after, whether menendez pushed for malcolm to get even more -- >> that is a painful iron ryry ryirony,
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right? it opens the dor to what seems to be a much more serious investigation. thanks to kate zernike and our panel. we'll see you again later in the hour. still ahead, i get to talk to one of the stars from my favorite shows "the americans." i'll do my best to not find out what happened in next week's episode. did benjamin netanyahu help or hurt the chances to reach an agreement which are an and is a deal a good idea in the first place? that is next.
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i've come here today to tell you we don't have to bet the security of the world on the hope that iran will change for the better. we don't have to gamble with our future and with our children's future.
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>> that wasies raily prime minister benjamin netanyahu during his controversial address to congress on tuesday, hottest ticket in town in washington and sparked a political debate over iran's nuclear program that continues now as the obama administration tries to put the finishing touches on a deal with irn's leaders hours after netanyahu left capitol hill mitch mcconnell announced that they would fast track a vote on a bill that would approve or reject any deal with iran. mcconnell relented and postponed that vote until democrats said they wanted to wait until march 24th, the deadline that obama administration has set for getting its deal with iran. negotiations will resume a week from today, secretary of state john kerry meeting with his counterpart in paris yesterday. all of us have an interest in making certain that the countries in the region feel
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sufficiently convinced that this agreement is meaningful that it will hold that it's real and that they're secure. >> even if kerry and other diplomats reach a deal with iran, will it have any teeth? especially if congress has the final say on whether sanctions against iran can be lifted. has the anger over netanyahu's address made it more or less likely to win approval? we're joined by senior congressional and foreign correspondent, editor who criticizes netanyahu in a new column. roger, let me start with you. netanyahu was up there saying basically the alternative -- it's not a deal or no deal. it's a ideal or a better deal. let's talk about the deal that seems to be taking shape, the one that the administration has been trying to negotiate. what is in that deal and why is that a good deal in your mind? >> i think it's a good deal because it's the best deal that can be got contrary to what
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prime minister netanyahu said. you can't take this out of iranian minds at this point. they've mastered the nuclear fuel cycle. and this deal would put a fence around it, have a very low-level nuclear program highly inspected, highly monitored, only compatible with civilian use of nuclear energy and leave iran at least one year from breakout to possible manufacture of a bomb. we don't like the fact that iran has the nuclear capacity it has. there's not a whole lot we can do about it that is better than that at this point. >> so with that being the deal that's taking shape right now, in congress the attitude toward this is a little different. it extends to the democratic side. schumer, menendez favoring a harder line with iran. what does the path forward look like in congress in dealing with this issue? >> the path forward right now is first president obama has to move forward with this and convince members of congress
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convince senate democrats in particular to prevent anything from going forward, any bill from going forward like the one senator mcconnell tried to put on the floor this week from passing. because if that passes that would significantly tie the hands of the president to cut the deal that he's trying to cut. one of the critical things it would do that would make it very difficult is decree strict the president's ability to temporarily ease sanctions. and that's critical to any deal passing. so, what the president needs to do -- i think what he did do a little bit this week is get senate democrats to back off a little bit to say we're not going to move full throttle right away. it's going to be a very tough sell. center of gravity which is pretty unanimous against this sort of thing but many democrats as well aren't very favorable to this. what president obama has to do is cut this deal sell it strongly to his party. he's going to go to them and say look, this is the best we're going to get. it's either this or you can go home to your constituents and sell this idea of another war in the middle east.
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he does have to cut the deal. it's a very big if if that's going to happen. >> roger, this is one of the themes he was pressing this idea of you can't trust iran in any deal. let's listen to him. >> why would anyone make this deal? because they hope that iran will change for the better in the coming years or they believe that the alternative to this deal is worse. well i disagree. i don't believe that iran's radical regime will change for the better after this deal. >> so what do you say to that to the idea that the parameters that you laid out earlier make sense and could work if there's cooperation from tehran? basically he's saying there's never going to be cooperation with tehran. >> of course he has been saying this for 20 years. there was an interim deal steve, two years ago, an interim deal with iran that prime men's ter netanyahu denounced as an historic mistake. in fact it's proved to be an
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historic turning point. it's slowed and reversed in fact they have 20% uranium. they have complied to the letter with that deal. in the last two years iran has demonstrated that it is prepared to cooperate. and if this deal is done what does it do? it compels us for at least a decade to have a relationship with iran. iran is a young country with an aging leadership. if there are economic connections that begin to grow between iran and the world, if this regime is aging and if there is this contact of the coming decade i ask you, is it more likely that iran will begin to moderate through that process or as prime minister netanyahu says, grow more radical. it's more likely that the regime will gradually grow -- we don't know. the united states in the '70s when nixon went to china, and
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the shanghai communicae was signed, they agreed on one thing thing, it's better to have political relations than not. at least there's a possibility things will evolve in a positive direction. meanwhile, iran will be prevented from getting to a bomb. and that is good for israel's security and good for the world. >> so the bottom line on this the white house is scrambling to shore up support among democrats to try to forestall this. it's been pushed past the 24th right now, no vote apparently in the senate before the 24th. if there is a deal what are the odds? republicans in control of the house, in control of the senate? as you say, plenty of hawkish democrats out there. what are the odds the administration actually can forestall this permanently? >> steve, the odds of republicans trying to move a bill that would imperil this deal are very high even if it does get struck. the question is whether it passes. it's likely to pass in the house. president obama will have a big lift to make sure something like that doesn't pass the senate. if it passes congress which i wouldn't foreclose on that
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possibility. certainly it's within the realm. but if that happens and that would imperil the deal by -- it would embolden iran's hardliners by creating the impression that the united states is not acting in good faith. next president has to be on board and ultimately only congress can permanently lift the sanctions to really make this work in the long haul. and the president has the authority to lift some sanctions or ease some sanctions on national security grounds but congress has a major role to play in this. i think the president has to cut the deal convince a congress not to scuttle it immediately and over time if it works, maybe chip off more and more members to come on board. it's going to be a battle. >> ultimately he will need congress for at least something on this. thank you very much. still ahead this hour we'll take a look at why this has been a pretty good weekend for rand paul. next, more protests and new information about the police shooting in madison, wisconsin,
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last night brought more peaceful protests to madison, wisconsin after a young african african-american man was killed in his apartment after police describe a confrontation with a police officer. the victim 19-year-old tony terrell robinson jr. was not armed and the police heef says he understands the anger over the shooting. >> folks are angry. resent mistrustful, disappointed shocked, chagrinned and any one of a number of adjectives you care to use in terms of the circumstances surrounding this tragic death. and i get that. >> people of all faiths gathered that the church last night to mourn robinson. msnbc will keep you updated on
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♪ whooing iowa voters at the largest republican cattle call to date. agricultural summit. jeb bush came out swinging against president obama. >> this president has used his authority and authority he he doesn't have to go way beyond what any president has done in the past. and you can reorder and restructure that by undoing those executive orders. >> chris christie when it was his turn, taking a similar
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approach. >> the epa administrator in the obama administration who start this had entire power grab a woman named lisa jackson, where did she come from? new jersey. she was john corzine's environmental protection administer when barack obama recruited her to come to washington, d.c. i've spent the last five years dismantling the overreach she did in new jersey in the environmental protection area. i understand what this administration's attitude is. ted cruz, for his part, went after liberals. >> the hard core left loves right ridiculing christians who say god created heaven and earth. they say it's anti-science to believe that an almighty god would do these things. when it comes to biotech, suddenly these same voices become the most anti-science zealots we've ever seen. opposing the ethanol mandate
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for gasoline seemed to shift his stance in front of that crowd. >> it's something i'm willing to go forward on continuing the renewal fuel standard and pressing the epa to make sure that there's certainty in terms of the levels set. thanks. >> so bring the panel back in here. we'll talk about this. who sort of stood out at this thing. this is one of the things that i thought was noteworthy about this. scott walker on ethanol, starting to shift his position there. not everybody is doing this. we always hear the story about iowa. in iowa you have to be for ethanol. you're not going to win the caucuses. you might not win the state in the fall unless you're for ethanol. ted cruz was up there yesterday. i don't think he will win the presidential election but ted cruz the voice of the gop base was up there saying no i'm against the subsidy. i'm wondering if that's something -- one of those truism about iowa we have to start revisiting. >> iowa is having a terrible effect on republican party when it comes to presidential
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elections for a long time. it also has a terrible effect in shifting all of these conservatives who claim to be for free markets toward these terrible subsidies that increase the cost of gas and groceries and have a terrible effect in terms of the overall message that they have about not picking winners and losers within the marketplace. you saw that once again with what scott walker was saying and i expect you'll see that with more candidates. i'll be interested to see he was not at this the other day. where he ends up on ethanol and on these issues and i think that it is a question of whether you can win the state without supporting them. but last time around the ethanol backers put out all sorts of fliers against rick perry, one candidate who said there would be no renewal fuel subsidies with all these big red xs. >> i'll give you a lot of reasons why it didn't work for rick perry last time. maybe. jeb bush we talk about iowa favoring very conservative candidates. not natural territory for jeb bush making the switch the
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first appearance in the state in this cycle, first appearance in a number of years. he said apparently on his way out to the crowd that he looked forward to seeing them a lot in the months ahead. maybe jeb bush making a -- >> his national campaign manager is an iowan, which suggests that he does put some premium on perhaps not winning the state. there are three tickets out of iowa of the isn't that the convention wisdom win, place and show? i don't think bush has to win, but he has to -- you know he can't skip iowa. the party itself, though, has a terrible reputation. they haven't picked a president for -- i can't remember when was the last time. >> george w. bush. >> george w. bush okay. that was the last time. >> speaking of bush jeb bush -- this is interesting, too. and this is the bind he's in a little bit. he's trying to do this thing where he talks about appealing to the general election voters while at the same time you have to -- after his remarks he was confronted by an immigration activist and this is the
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exchange. play this for a second. [ speaking spanish ] >> interesting moment but likening obama to latin american dictator there in terms of how he's pursued executive action on immigration. immigration is this issue where you've got to move as a republican potentially to win in the general election. when you're in iowa, trying to do well in the caucuses -- >> he's moving on both these issues. you listen to what he's saying about common core. he's saying something very careful. he's no longer saying i think common core is a great idea. he's now saying i think standards are important. states should have standards. you should choose what your standards are. they don't have to be common core. that's a very carefully -- that's what he was doing. similarly on immigration, the president has bailed out jeb bush. jeb bush can now say the president has been really bad
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and i really, really don't like that. i'm for legalization but not the president's way. i think he is moving a little bit. he's not really changing his view but making different inferences. there is room for him to do pretty well in iowa. romney was basically tied there in 2012. it's not as if he -- and you can, by the way -- jeb bush also can skip iowa, win new hampshire and win the whole thing. he does seem to be trying at least, to make sure conservatives don't hate him. he has met eric erickson reached out to conserveativeists in the party. you may not like me but here i am. it's hard to oppose someone who you met and talked to. he is doing a smart thing in reaching out to the base. >> not to be seen as holding on to his core values. otherwise he's a repeat of romney. that's what he has learned the lesson. if you look like you're flip flopping on everything, you're not going to win anybody. >> you try to get yourself in the right position.
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>> so there's maneuvering there but he has to look like he's when it comes to what he cares about. >> behind the scenes he's working very -- and we're going to see -- i think this will be one of those stories in the next few months when they start putting the fund-raising numbers out. the numbers from jeb bush will be astron omiccal. >> they're urging people to hold the donations. >> cap it at a million a head that tells you that you're having success here. a very soggy slide in winter's final weeks and up next party like it's 1982. fbi agent next door becomes the guest in the next chair. actor and director noah emrich is here to talk about "the americans" after this. doug. you've been staring at that for awhile, huh? listen, td ameritrade has former floor traders to help walk you through that complex trade. so you'll be confident enough to do what you want. i'll pull up their number. blammo. let's get those guys on the horn. oooo looks like it is time
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kremlin. another major city falls in eastern ukraine. british fighter jets scramble after they discover a russian jet off coast of cornwall. these things have all happened in of the last few weeks. at least one hour every week the cold war is really back the original cold war on the fictional drama series "the americans" typical 1980s married couple raising two kids in suburban d.c. is actually anything but, russian spies trying to dig up trying to avoid detection by the fbi agent who actually lives next door. >> i got pretty screwed up. >> how so? >> i had to be friends with people i really didn't like. terrible people. >> it's a spy next door scenario based in reality. in 2010 the fbi arrested 11
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people from seattle to suburban new york city who were accused of being part of a russian spy ring. people who seemed to be ordinary americans living ordinary lives but were actually part of a long-term, very long-term kgb plan to plant russian spies and ferret out information and decree re krut morecruit more spies. noah thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> you are the fbi agent -- i have to say, first of all, i love this show. i hope people go out there and watch us if they're not already. you are the agent next door to these vicious, murderous, but normal-seeming russian spies. when you're acting in these scenes with one of these spies, do you ever get mad at your character for not figuring it out by this point? >> that's a fine line that we've always sort of had to walk. if stan -- the character i play is named stan f he figures out who they are it's going to be a very early demise for stan my character, or the show.
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it's a tricky balance. we want stan to be intelligent and perceptive and smart and we also don't want him to catch them because the show would end. i always sort of -- my response to that is geographical proximity doesn't necessarily provide a lot of clues just because they're across the street. there's nothing happening in their house that's unusual. you know as you mentioned, the case in 2010 i don't think any of the neighbors of any of these russian spies had any suspicions whatsoever that there was anything extraordinary going on. the work that they do is all outside of the house. in fact, stan philip the father who is the spy, has a great budding friendship. >> right. sometimes the best way is hiding in plain sight. be the person's friend. >> right. >> that's the question too. i watch this set in the early 1980s outside washington, d.c. and i wonder how much of this actually happened. do we know? >> right. i don't think we know exactly what happened. i think it's safe to assume things very close to this story did, in fact happen. i mean as recently as 2010 is the last time we discovered
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people who were actually doing this. i'm sure it's been going on since the kgb has been up and running. and it continues to go on to this day. that was a surprise to me that it was happening so recently. we thought the cold war was over. we thought there was no rooen real reason for the russians to be spying on the united states. >> and still -- >> yeah. >> i can only imagine the 60s, 70s, 80s how much more it was going on. >> i was a kid in the 1980s, at the tail end of the cold war but i can remember vividly as a 6, 7, 8-year-old the fear of world war iii, that russians were going to attack us. "red dawn" in the 1980s. you look at it and laugh but this takes us back to an era where it was a real thing. >> visceral part as well. i remember going to bed and fearing that the world would end in a nuclear disaster. i was an activist in anti-nuclear demonstrations as a young kid. it was a very visceral palpable feel we all lived under the
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threat ofannihilation. >> there's a clash between these two countries hochlt is going to win? we also know five ten years down the line the soviet union collapses completely. >> we grossly overestimated their abilities economically and militarily. but, you know hindsight is 20/20. in the moment it was really a fraught time. >> and you guys work in so much -- if you're a fan of contemporary american history, contemporary global history, nicaragua, the contras, the secret war that supposedly america was backing down there. oliver north, part of the iran-contra scandal in the '80s, he has been a consult antant to the show, is that right?
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>> he was a consultant on one particular episode, which was nicaragua heavy storyline. which is funny to me because i remember watching the senate hearings and to have him on our show. >> i didn't get to meet him. my storyline didn't cross with the nicaraguan story line but the writers and producers got to meet him. it was an interesting moment. >> i was watching an episode recently. and in the backgrounds set in northern virginia. the tv is on in the background and an ad comes on for volvo dealership. it's one of these things that they put in it's a membership of a dealer who is now a congressman. >> great old commercials from the '80s that you can't believe were real commercials. everything on the show is real in terms of what we present on
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television was in fact on television then. >> and i remember from the kid's perspective. i watch that show and feel like i'm being transported back. noah you directed the upcoming episode. look forward to watching that. thank you for being here. >> pleasure. how rand paul is having something in common with lyndon johnson. we'll tell you what it is, next. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages.
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all right. the panel is back with us. time to get caught up on some other headlines making news this morning. i've got the index cards back. it's another catching up segment. let's see what the a.p. is reporting. this story from down in kentucky. kentucky republican leaders clear path for paul's dual campaign so this is a key development for 2016. state party leaders in kentucky yesterday allowing the state to change from having a presidential primary to having a presidential caucus. this is going to allow rand paul to simultaneously run for the united states senate and for president next year.
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i think we teased this last block, as lyndon johnson did. he ran for vice president and the senate simultaneously in 1960. so kentucky republicans doing a favor for rand paul here. >> this is a big deal for rand paul. there was some concern, a lot of people saying 2016 might not be the best moment for him because of this rise in hawkishness on the right but this clears the path for him. >> marco rubeio has a similar problem in florida. >> and i've been hearing talk is he's going to do president. he made a comment publicly. he said i don't believe in trying to be cute about it. if i was called to run for president, i'd run for president. >> i think he doesn't really like the senate. >> i get that impression. i also hear governor of florida if he loses in 2016. this is from our nbc affiliate station wbre in pennsylvania. we got to show you this. this is footage of the tenth annual cardboard challenge. it takes place in the pocono mountains. you're starting to see the footage of it here. you have all these elaborate
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creations. the leg lamp from "the christmas story." there it is, the viking ship spongebob, a space shuttle, a camaro. they had prizes including best design and most epic fail which you might be looking at right there. there's spaungongebob. also what do we have here? take a look at this. this is from instagram. i like this one, this is john stamos. he played uncle jesse in the hit sitcom "full house." yesterday he posted a photo on instagram in front of the san francisco home that was featured in that series. tourists were here to see a piece of sitcom history and expect even notice that uncle jesse from the show right there with them. >> this is real nostalgia. this is for me my childhood, "full house." who does not remember "full house."
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>> anyway thank you to instagram for that. thank you to today's panel, appreciate you all being here. thank you at home for getting up with us this week and getting up an hour earlier. we all lost an hour of sleep last night. tune in next week. we have a very special guest. look at this larry king will be here next week. very excited about that. right now, melissa harris-perry shes icoming up next. she is live again in selma, alabama. stay tuned for that. also at 3:00 p.m. today msnbc will have a special show on this weekend's events in selma. stick around and don't miss that. stay tuned for that ajdnd have a great week.
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