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>> he then beats roger federer, fair and square with a lob over federer's head and he does it while wearing jeans. >> we're going the add to what some of you had to say about that secret service scandal. there's now congressional reaction to what happened there. >> there should be. >> another amazing story. well, hillary clinton issued a challenge to the other potential presidential candidates today. that's also coming up. >> the city of ferguson, police chef thomas jackson have agreed to a mutual separation. >> police chief tom jackson has resigned.
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>> the investigation found jackson was running a police department ram pant with racial bias. >> writing, it was wrong and reckless. >> i hope he's genuinely apologetic. >> army black hawk helicopter crashed during a training mission. >> seven marines and four soldiers missing and feared dead. >> our hearts go out to the families of the servicemen and women involved. >> the battle against isis is front and center at a senate hearing. >> this is something that fights on the fight against isil. >> would dispel doubt that americans are united in this effort. >> i believe that much of our strategy with regards to isis is being driven by a desire not to upset iran. tell me why i'm wrong. >> because the facts contradict that. >> today, republicans are standing behind that iran letter. >> we sent a message that this needs to be a good deal. >> my reaction was utter disbelief.
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>> it gave comfort to our enemies and pause to our allies. >> the associated press filed a lawsuit against the state department over clinton's records. >> she doesn't get to determine what is a public or personal record. >> i don't think convenience should trump national security. >> then they went back to writing their open letter to iran. two secret service agents were involved in what appeared to be a drunk driving incident on the white house grounds last week. that's the latest secret service scandal being reported tonight by "the washington post." "the washington post" revealed that the department of homeland security inspector's general is investigating allegations that two secret service agents, including a top member of president obama's top detail, drove a government car into white house security barricades
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after drinking at a late night party last wednesday. officers on duty who witnessed the march 4th incident wanted to arrest the agents and conduct sobriety tests, according to a current and former government official particular with the incident. but the officers were ordered by supervisor on duty that night to let the agents go home, said these people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive internal matter. new tonight, house oversight and government reform committee have released this statement just within the hour --
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>> joining me now is susan crabtree, white house correspondent for the washington examiner. also, eugene robinson and frank bruney and krystal ball. susan, what more do we know about this apparent drunk driving incident by two secret service agents actually on the grounds of the white house? >> well, i think "the washington post" story did very good job of detailing what i think is unfortunate that it's not all that surprising. i did a story last year that chronicled the use of the disciplinary action that was taken that the secret service takes against its agents and i found that the fbi and even the tsa has a higher standard when it comes to alcohol related
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incidents. and they have an automatic 30-day suspension, whereas when i looked at the incidents of the secret service over the past five years, they have a very uneven record of punishing their agents and officers for alcohol related events. >> susan, do they have a written policy on it? >> they have what every agency in the federal government has, what is called the table of discipline, or table of punishment. but they would not provide me that table so i could do some comparison. but they did give capitol hill a chart, an outline of all the incidents that required disciplinary action over the last five years, and they had 36 reported alcohol-related incidents. and of those, nine of them were charges of drunken driving. they did not suspend their agents or officers for the 30 days, only in one case that i found. >> gene, it sounds like it's time to file a freedom of
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information act with the secret service to get their disciplinary procedure on alcohol related incidents and in a few years we'll get a response. >> in then. to note a couple of things, number one, "the washington post" story was reported by a great national staff reporter who has owned the secret service story for months now. so it's pretty authoritative. second, president obama, after that string of secret service incidents last year, decided to name a secret service veteran as head of the agency. there were some voices who said it needed a more radical reform, a total outsider to come in and really shake up the secret service. i think we will hear renewed voices saying that right now, given this new incident. >> frank, joseph clancy went back to the secret service to
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take over, and these guys were at a retirement party for the secret service press secretary, the spokesman, when they come back to the white house after that, apparently comfortable enough, even under the new regime, to just drive on the property drunk. >> we're talking about the leadership that is the secret service recruiting the same types of people? what we learned last year and now, we have spent a lot of time around politicians guarded by the secret service. i was always in awe of them. >> me too. >> i don't know if this has always existed to some degree and we don't know about it or if we're seeing a different kind of behavior and if so, why? >> what's so sad here is that the secret service was one of the few remaining government agencies that people really revered and really respected. obviously, that trust and credibility had already been broken down.
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this story, i had to reread it several times to make sure this really happened last week. they were really drinking and it was the white house? these are all allegations, but top members of the president's protective detail? it is astonishing, especially given the scrutiny that they must be under at this time. >> almost as astonishing as the guy that got all the way into the white house kitchen. >> that's the uniform service out there, a lower ranking, less trained group guarding the front lawn. involved in this is the number two person in the president's protective detail. >> i know, i know. that's supposed to be somebody who really knows what he's doing. >> and is a model to everyone else in that detail. >> i guess it's an improvement that at least these things are
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being investigated now and we're finding out about them now rather than months or years down the road. i think your point about joseph clancy being installed as an insider here, that is the question that's going to be raised. maybe there should have been a more radical shakeup. >> they haven't released the name of the supervisor who intervened to prevent any arrest, so that's one question, who is that? and also, why are we just hearing about it now? why wasn't there an incident report of some kind publicly filed by clancy -- >> this is typical. >> the next day why didn't we get an incident report on this? >> this is part of the pattern here that the secret service is engaged in, since these string of security incidents have begun. we talked to sources within the secret service, and it doesn't seem astonishing to them that the supervisor -- it's egregious the supervisor let them go.
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we may never know if they were sober or not, because the sober let them go. when i talked to sources within the secret service, they say there is a coverup going on, from supervisors, there's uneven discipline. if that's what is creating problems with the morale at the secret service. they punish people differently. >> you have to wonder if the supervisor would have let them go, if they had brought in someone new from the outside who no one there knew and no one had a sense of what the new director's limitations are on these things. >> that's right. the congressman who led the charge and really investigated the secret service last year, he said that he was disappointed when president obama named joseph clancy. not that he didn't think he was a great guy and hat a respectable service record. but he thought as an independent agency that reviewed the secret service problems that it
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mandated that we quiet this culture of coverup that's going on at the secret service with an outside person. >> gene, in the bureaucracy and in a service like that, a decision like that normally is made, frequently is made i should say, with the idea that this is what the director would want me to do. he would not want to see two of his agents arrested on white house property and have that be on the front page of "the washington post" tomorrow. i'm doing what i think the director wants me to do. >> that's right. you know, reading between the lines, and i haven't had a chance to read the story. you have all these overlapping police agencies. there was an incident going on, as if that is what was happening. d.c. police was on the scene. one wonder it is d.c. police haven't dropped a dime on the secret service here. >> susan crabtree, thank you for joining us on this.
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in the apology statement that i read on this program last night from one of the university of oklahoma students who was expelled after singing a racist song, he said, the song was taught to us. that fraternity is now being investigated at other universities where incidents of racist behavior have been reported. nbc's gabe gutierrez has the latest. >> reporter: the fraternity said racist behavior entered its university of oklahoma chapter three to four years ago. >> we have to cut that cancer.
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>> reporter: brendan is the national spokesman. he says the fraternity has so far been unable to verify similar chants at other campuses. >> when somebody says it was taught to us, we know it was not the national headquarters. we know it wasn't something that would be part of our history at all. >> reporter: rice said, i am sorry for what i did saturday night. i admit it was likely fueled by alcohol consumed at the house before the trip, but that's not an excuse. the parents of a second fraternity member in the video also apologized. he made a horrible mistake and will live with the consequences forever. >> it's a tradition singing these types of songs. >> reporter: andrew is now an outspoken critic. >> racism is alive and well, especially in fraternities.
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>> we do not act like that. that bad behavior is not something that we represent. >> reporter: in 2013, the sae chapter st. louis was suspended. last year, clemson university's chapter was suspended for holding a racially themed party. now at ou, the growing scandal has sparked a rallying cry, and today the normally silent statues spoke volumes. >> up next, we'll be joined by the co-director of the university of oklahoma about the situation on campus tonight.
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joining us now from the university of oklahoma is chelsea davis. tell us what's been happening at campus today and what more you might be hearing about this fraternity and other things they may have been involved with over the years. >> so the culture on campus today has been, emotions are high, people are upset. that's why the unheard movement, we've been working with senior administration to address the grievances in the black community and the minority community as a whole. i'm aware this is not typical.
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it's being seen across college campuses across the united states. so it's a systematic change that needs to happen. we are working tirelessly to address that change. >> do you personally know anyone who was on that bus singing that song, chelsea? >> no, i do not. >> and that fraternity, did they -- did you know any members of that fraternity before this incident? >> no, no, i do not. >> so they live in a way that's kind of separate from the way you live there? >> i would say that. i would say the greek community is pretty separate from those who are not greek as far as like living conditions and things of that nature. >> trymaine lee, i have no experience with fraternities, i don't get it. every story that happens about them is bad. it's either someone has died
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from drinking or this crazy stuff here. what is your reaction to this in >> you have the combination of a lot of alcohol use, the age, and some of these deep rooted cultural things assigned to these fraternities. i found members who are -- >> were you in a fraternity? >> i was not. i was a little too independent. it just wasn't my thing. when -- the idea not just of the slur but the connection to lynching, hanging from a tree, that's a big leap from rapping along with a singer. and then you look at a university four years ago, a chapter was closed because they hazed some kid to death, a 19-year-old black kid from black kid. he died of alcohol poisoning. so there's a lot to be concerned with any way, but this leak, the idea of lynching.
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>> i grew up in the jim crow south and this would have shocked me when i was growing up, that sort of chant in a bus full of people. so i don't know how they make that leap in a bus full of millennials in 2015. >> what about the glee that we're seeing in this singing? there's a spirit of it that is -- i think it is even more frightening than the words, in a way. they are so happy about this. >> yeah. they're cheering each other on. >> chelsea, react to that. >> i most definitely agree with you that is it concerning, that the spirit these students were partaking in, they were happy, clapping, rejoicing within this chant. it's definitely concerning and scary. it's frightening to think that students would partake in such terrible, terrible language and behavior.
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i am at a loss of words for participation on that bus for everybody, not just the two males identified. >> chelsea, what is your reaction to the apology one of those students issued last night and the apology that the parents of the other one issued last night? >> well, most definitely happy the apologies were given. it's time to take this as a learning experience for all involved. i don't think that we need to look at the excuses that were within the apologies as far as the alcohol and this was taught to me. we just need to take this as a lesson learned and move forward as a nation and put cultural sensitivity training on the forefront within every university curriculum. >> when the apologies came in last night and i read them on the air, they really read like public relations consultants were involved for these dallas
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families that could afford them. including the construction of that sentence, the song was taught to us. passive voice, we don't know who taught it, that's very carefully and specifically left out. >> the shifting of the blame seems structured and planned. but when you look at some of these southern colleges in general, you go to lsu games, i've heard stories of, run, n word, run. there was a football player that said these are the same guys giving us high fives now singing, hang them from a tree. >> you know, i was speaking a year or so ago at a small college in pennsylvania. not the deep south. i was speaking to african-american students, and there had been some really ugly episodes of racial violence is
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all you can call it, really, against african-american students, who were fearful. and just anecdotally, just seeing points of this happening, and it's very troubling, and i don't really understand it. i don't quite understand what's going on. >> there's one other troubling thing here. this is all happening in the context of an institution of higher learning. some of the phrases we heard tonight, diversity, cultural sensitivity. you said to chelsea, so these guys were separate from you. colleges should be a place where kids are learning how to live in a diverse society. they should be mixing with each other. fraternities are an emblem of what too many kids do is they find like-skinned people, they huddle in that group and they don't use college to prepare for a diverse society. >> we'll have to leave it there for tonight. chelsea davis from ou's group unheard, chelsea, you are heard tonight.
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thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up next, the justice department report came out on the ferguson police department last week, and today we have yet another resignation there. the police chief is out. and new information about what's been happening on train tracks in america, including what happened on that amtrak crash the other day. the police were there before the crash could have notified amtrak there was a truck stuck on the tracks. police failed to do that. that's coming up. oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health.
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another day, another resignation in ferguson, missouri. this time the chief of police, thomas jackson. >> the city of ferguson and police chief thomas jackson have agreed to a mutual separation which involves the police chief's resignation from the city of ferguson, effective march 19, 2015. >> here's a look at chief jackson at work. >> can you explain why you're not releasing the officer's name? >> we weighed the value of releasing the name right now and the safety factor of him and his family and we opted to postpone that. we're just asking that the protests be peaceful. we understand the anger and we understand that we have a problem.
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what we're making available today are the dispatch records and the video of a robbery. a strong arm robbery, use of force that occurred. the officer that was involved in the shooting of michael brown was darren wilson. we needed to release that at the same time we would release the name of the officer who was involved in the shooting so that we could just keep open and give you all the information that we have. the initial contact between the officer and mr. brown was not related to the robbery. i'm truly sorry for the loss of your son. i'm also sorry for it taking to long to remove michael from the street. >> i want to get your reaction from the justice department report and ferguson's reaction to that report so far.
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>> it was horrific in reading the report, going over the report, how much abuse of the system existed, and what actually happened is you saw it laid out on paper is systemic corruption throughout the system. you really target the minority, the black community there in ferguson, and it really is something that's horrific. i think it's taken some people by surprise. i'm not surprised by this. more significantly, i think what the justice department's report points out and shows clearly is that we should even go further than reform. i mean, the corruption involved mandates a reconstruction of the justice system, especially in ferguson. >> trymaine lee, what is your reaction? >> i saw this coming.
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there was going to be no choice for him but to step down. when i would talk to him man-to-man, he's a guy that wants to do the right thing, but at every turn, he poured more fuel on the fire. part of that is not being ready for primetime. but it's also the environment that he and the supervisors nurtured. when you look at reports not being filled out properly, you look at some officers said there was a competition to see how many tickets they could issue one person. the extent and then the collusion of the court system, there's no way the chief of police wasn't to some degree aware of the missteps his officers were taking out there. >> gene, when we watched him on tv, you had that feeling about not ready for primetime. smalltown police chief, what you wonder about is he effective
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doing his job back in the office. the justice department shows us no, not a bit. >> no, he wasn't. he wasn't running a system where the police department was us, the community was them and it was us versus them and they were a source of revenue, essentially, and a body to be harassed and to be exploited for the cash that they represented for the coffers of ferguson. it was scandal. >> this is the sixth one to lose a job since the justice department report came out. the county clerk was fired. two police officers, a sergeant and captain, resigned when it was discovered they were involved in the racist e-mails. a judge lost his job, a city manager resigned, a chief resigned. and frank bruney, every one of those people would be happily in their jobs today if protesters had never taken to the streets
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in ferguson. >> isn't that scary? it makes you wonder how many other communities out there are like ferguson and we don't know about it because none of these other event happened. >> mark, what would you like to see happen next in ferguson? do you think that police department should be disbanded? do you think that community should be policed in another way? >> i personally believe it should be disbanded. but i want to touch on something that frank mentioned, and that is we're talking about ferguson, but there are many fergusons throughout this nation. i really have to emphasize the need not just for reform, but in many cases reconstructing the entire criminal justice system. let's be clear about something as well. ferguson was engaged in callers for dollars. the dollars went to the coffers of city government, based on them targeting specific individuals.
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and the police chief had to have full knowledge and understanding of that. i won't make excuses for them, and i never got the impression in looking at him that there was a sincerity or an empathy with the community. but there needs to be a reconstruction, first in ferguson, then other smaller police departments throughout the nation that operate shockingly in the same manner that ferguson operates. >> mark, thanks for your expert on this. thank you. coming up, what we know about that truck that caused that train crash in north carolina. the police were there on the scene before the crash happened and they notified no one that a truck was trapped on the tracks. later, the votes are in. we have a new poll telling us the front-runner to replace jon stewart on "the daily show."
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rhetoric it might take to get, let's say, an unfixed dog to hump a pillow. >> hillary clinton issued this challenge to republican presidential candidates today on twitter -- >> already signed on to the letter are four potential presidential candidates. begging to sign on are bobby jindal and former texas governor rick perry. it's very unusual for governors to sign to a senate letter. but everything about this letter is unusual. >> the whole thing is just nuts. it is just nuts. you know, the iranians sound like a voice of reason in this whole thing by saying this whole thing is silly, we're not paying attention to it. >> does this mean when hillary
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clinton does that tweet, does that mean republican candidates then must get on the letter in order to impress people in iowa or any of them think, you know what? there's going to be a general election debate where i don't want to explain what my name was doing on that letter? >> so far we haven't found that candidate yet, have we? they seem to all want to be on the letter or they've been supportive, seem to be supportive of what the letter is all about. that really is the heart of the problem here. these republican senators, both inviting the prime minister of israeli to speak and through this letter have made this a partisan issue and trying to undermine the president and administration there, too. look, if you're a republican running in a republican primary, it's never going to be the wrong move to oppose the president as much as you can. >> all of that is true, but that tweet wasn't just about iran, that tweet was let's please change the topic.
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what are we talking about? we're talking about the tweet and iran and not hillary's e-mails. >> we probably talked about that, too. >> she let a lot of issues go by, netanyahu's speech without any tweeting. >> what was different about today? today was the day after the news conference that didn't quite heal all the wounds. >> and also in that news conference, she led first with her work on gender equality, then weighed in on iran and then went to the e-mails as if to say, i know you're concerned about this silly stuff. >> that was her saying this is the least important of the three items. >> looking forward to the campaign, foreign policy is a big advantage for her. i know republicans wouldn't believe that, given benghazi, et cetera. but she's the one candidate among all of these, who can really say i have credibility, i know what i'm talking about. she's not going to get tripped up the way scott walker already has. >> that's going to cut two ways.
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a lot of people say, okay, there were all of those air miles. show me the things she invested energy in, libya, russia. >> it's about having confidence in a person. >> and i think, you know, benghazi, she will be happy if they focus on just benghazi, because there's no there there. there's no scandal there. but if they look at libya policy more broadly -- >> or russia. >> the libya policy was a mess and she was in the middle of this. >> let's be real about the electoral process. i have deep respect for american voters, but -- >> whenever someone says that, it's -- >> really many of the specifically what happened in russia or what happened in these foreign countries, they're going to look at a candidate and say do i think this person is credible. do i think they know what they're talking about. do i trust them and do they feel hike they can handle this. hillary clinton passes that
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test. >> a bigger question is, does this person make me feel secure. that's been a big problem with obama. >> that was her strength in 2008. she came across as very strong. people didn't connect with her on the emotional level. but that is the playing field where she is most comfortable. >> eugene, there's been a lot of criticism over the last week, beginning with david axelrod about hey, what's wrong with team hillary that they're so slow to respond to this e-mail situation. this looks to me to be a good example of team hillary at work in campaign mode, and hillary herself at work in campaign mode. >> i think the basic question is, should there be an actual campaign now? if there were an actual campaign apparatus, a declared candidate, and a national campaign -- >> on this show she's a declared candidate.
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she's been a declared candidate for many years. >> i'm with you. i'm with you. but if there were an official campaign, and an official campaign spokesperson and operatives, there would have been somebody immediately out talking about it. there would have been talking points flashed out immediately to all sorts of people who would have relayed them out by twitter, by facebook. that would have been much better for her, because he would have responded much more quickly than she did. it wouldn't have festered for eight days. she would have been out the next day with some sort of response. >> we're going to have to take a break here. you'll have time to think about who you want to host "the daily show." >> i don't have to think about that. up next, how the police could have stopped that amtrak train crash in north carolina.
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oh, my god! oh, my god! oh! oh! >> oh, [ bleep ]! oh, jesus. oh, my god. >> we have shocking new details tonight about monday's amtrak train crash in north carolina that injured at least 59 people. a north carolina state highway patrol officer was at the scene, where the tractor trailer was stuck on the tracks for several minutes before the crash occurred. the state trooper apparently did nothing to notify railroad officials that the track was being blocked by a truck. every public railroad crossing
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in america has a sign with a number to call if there is a problem at that crossing. joining me now, by phone, is steve ditmire, an official that teaches railway management. steve, the reports indicate this trooper was accompanying that tractor trailer because it was oversized and according to regulations needed to have a state trooper. so the trooper was there the entire time that the truck was having that difficulty. some witnesses have indicated it was as long as 20 minutes. others indicate a full eight minutes stuck on the track. plenty of time. i'm going to ask you, steve, would that have been enough time to stop this crash if the trooper had alerted someone? >> yes. eight minutes should have been plenty of time for the trooper or the truck driver to call the railroad. the railroad would have notified
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the amtrak train. the stopping time is probably a minute or longer for the amtrak train. but it could have come to a stop before hitting the truck. >> and steve, do we have training for truck drivers specifically about this, what to do if your giant tractor trailer is struggling across a railroad crossing? >> i believe that is all part of the exams for the commercial driver's licenses. that they be aware of these signs and that they know what to do with those signs. also, emergency responders of all types, fire, police, and medical, are instructed about these signs and when and how to use the -- how to contact the railroads in case there's a problem at the crossing. >> this was a complete failure by the state trooper who was
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there, and by the operator of the truck. steve, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, we have a poll telling us who the front-runner is to replace jon stewart on "the daily show." hint, tina fey's name is in the poll. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these occasional digestive issues... with 3 types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips' it's a significant improvement over the infiniti we had... we went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. the brand more people buy. and buy again. oh i love it... we test-drove the escape... we both said, "i think that's the one"... and i really enjoy the pep in its step... that's the ecoboost... when the four of us go out we don't take their car... we always take our car. this was like a huge upgrade. it's awesome! the new image of ford now looks really refined... this is a very nice car. for us, the escape was just right. see your ford dealer today.
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>> president bush again defended secretary of defense donald rumsfeld saying you are doing a suburb job. our nation owes you a debt of gratitude. this time, rumsfeld was like, you're screwing with me, right? tempers boiled when senator kennedy threatened to subpoena records and the chairman had to slam his gavel twice before boredom was restored. as california's wildfire season got under way, a 4.5 earthquake hit santa barbara. said governor arnold schwarzenegger, these earthquakes are fantastic. i promise your more action and excitement. soon we're going to have a super mega tornado, giant sinkholes. we're going to make california the number one action state in the country. [ applause ]
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>> krystal ball, it's the perfect audition tape. >> that was like schwarzenegger meets donald trump. there was something a little trump-esque about that. i would be super psyched if tina fey took over at "the daily show." i also early on i wanted samantha b. i love her. i think she would be fabulous. we have very few women on late night, basically none. but he's getting her own show on tbs. so i'll take tina fey. >> what about amy poehler? she would be fabulous. >> she would be fabulous. >> she would be really good. >> who is your vote? >> i can't go against tina fey. i would love to be controversial and all that, but she has become comedy's version of beyonce in music. >> let's look at audition tape for both. >> people say hillary is a bitch. let me say something about that.
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yeah, she is. so am i. so is this one. >> yeah, deal wit. >> bitches get stuff done. that's why they use nuns as teachers and not priests. they're mean and they're allowed to hit you. at the end of the school year, you hated those bitches, but you knew the capital of vermont. it's not too late, texas and ohio. get on board. bitch is the new black. >> can they trade off nights, one after the other? >> yeah, why not? >> that could work. >> i also love correspondent jessica williams. she's fabulous and fantastic. >> she has said that she doesn't believe she's ready for this job. and you can let your minds wander on the possibility,
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because little known fact, we are talking about the highest paid salaried job in show business. >> is that true? >> what it means in your negotiations, you know how much they have in their pocket. it means you can go after the biggest stars you can think of. >> big stars like lawrence o'donnell. sounds like you're considering that. >> comedy central does not have a list that goes down that far. >> it looks like it would be a really hard job. >> it is. you have to be funny and fresh every night. >> funny on a dime. you have to be funny spontaneously. >> no matter what is going on in the news. you have to find a way. >> you have to go just far enough.
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>> thank you all for joining me tonight. chris hayes is up next. >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington and you're watching "hardball." that was, of course, mayor james knowles of ferguson who announced this evening that chief jackson is resigning his post, effective next week. this follows a devastating justice department report of systemic discrimination cared out by the police force in that city. that investigation began after the fatal shooting of michael

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