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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ shocking execution style murders of four women results in the arrests of two brothers. >> you trying to kill me for something i didn't do? i don't want to die for something i didn't do. >> now with pressure mounting, distrust comes between them. >> most definitely going to be brother against brother. >> actually comes out of the showers.
>> an inmate with a long arrest record discovered an incredible talent and -- >> i cut her like this. she had her -- >> a fight breaks out between two female inmates. there's more behind it than meets the eye. >> i love you. >> i love you, too. >> and one of these two friends will suffer an unthinkable tragedy. ♪ >> with a population just under 400,000, tulsa, oklahoma, still maintains a small town feel. but it's not immune to big city crime. there are about 1800 men and
women incarcerated at the tulsa county jail. most are only accused of crimes. and are awaiting trial or the resolution of their cases. >> i'll see y'all later. be good. >> because the inmates are innocent until proven guilty, officers try to afford them as many privileges as possible. the one man who has just been booked into the jail will require special handling. >> this guy here in holding cell nine, he is here on four counts of murder. we keep him in a cell by himself because of the high publicity of the case. we don't want him to be with general population in case someone here is a relative of someone that he is accused of murdering. yeah, it's just for his safety, and ours. just keep him locked up by himself. >> the new inmate is james poore. he is charged with first degree murder for the execution style slayings of four women one month earlier. the victims were discovered together inside a tulsa
apartment. all four women had their hands bound behind their backs. and each had been shot in the head. poore lives in the same complex and says he was friends with two of the victims. though he has yet to enter a formal plea, poore says he is completely innocent. >> people say you supposed to have faith in the system but it don't work like they say it's supposed to. they're going to kill me for something i didn't do? i don't want to die for something i didn't do. the part that got me so emotional is that these are our friends and now i'm being -- they saying i'm being charged with their deaths. >> poore recently completed a
twelve year sentence for armed robbery of four convenience stores and has numerous jail stays on less serious convictions. >> for the first time in my life, i'm innocent and everybody thinks i'm guilty. >> tulsa homicide investigators believe poore is not only guilty, but he did not act alone. they say he was aided by another man booked into the jail a few days earlier on a parole violation. it's poore's older brother and he, too, has now been charged with four counts of first degree murder. >> i'm dwayne poore. i haven't killed no one at no time ever, in my life. it's not my case, period.
do i know what's going on? no. am i lost? yes. do i need help? yes. am i ready to cry? yes. am i pissed? yes. i don't really have no feelings about this case. i don't want to sound cold blooded or cold hearted about it, but i don't. i don't have no feelings towards this case. because it's not my case. as for my brother, i can't speak for my brother, but i don't believe my brother had nothing to do with this case at this point. i don't believe it. >> brothers turning against each other for little bitty stuff. that's like they wasn't brought up the right way or something. >> raised in a large family, both james and cedric say nothing can break the strong bond they share. >> my relationship with my brother is tight. all my brothers. i got five of them, all of them is tight, very close. very close. >> we always say one after pardon or finish talking on the
phone and there's basically saying, one love. >> there's nothing i wouldn't do for my brothers. >> i don't believe nobody would love me more than they would. because we have been through so much coming up. >> those bonds could soon be put to the test. though both brothers have served past prison sentences for armed robbery, they've never faced such serious consequences. if they are found guilty of the murders, they will be eligible for the death penalty. >> i have done wrong in my past, but honestly, i don't think i'm going to get a fair shake on this one. >> why? >> because of my past. >> why are you convinced you are going to be found guilty? >> because my last case, i didn't go into the store or shoot at the people and i got booked for it. now, i'm in the same position
and i don't know who to tell. so, i'm locked up again because i didn't snitch. this time, i don't have a parole date or nothing like that. there's going to be an execution date. >> but james poore might have already spoken. the police report states he said both he and cedric committed the murders and robbed the victims and now that's been reported to the media, as well. >> i don't want to say my brother got me involved in this. i don't want to say he don't have me involved in this. i don't want to say what the news media is trying to get me to say. that my brother is imply indicating me in this. i don't want to believe it so i'm not going to say it. do i love me brother? yes. would i kill for my brother, hell no. would i lie for him? hey [ bleep ] coming up -- >> cedric poore please come up. good morning. >> when the poore brothers make their first appearance before the judge, one is left feeling betrayed.
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he's pled guilty or no contest to 14 different charges ranging from driving with a suspended license to burglary and assault and battery on a police officer. he says he's drug free now but his current problems are rooted elsewhere. >> i have a thing about women. i've set back after 56 years and i finally realized something. women are the downfall to all great men. we can go back to adam and eve. we can go to napoleon. we can even go to bill clinton. >> now richard roberts. >> now richard roberts. i have always been a womanizer. that's what most people say. something about a nice man in his mid-50s with a nice smile, healthy body and a full head of hair. women have a tendency to attract themselves to it.
they are like moths to light. they just flutter right on in. >> though roberts considers himself a ladies man, some of the women in his life disagree. he is currently charged with assault and battery against a former girlfriend. he's pled not guilty and is awaiting trial. 16 months earlier, however, he pled guilty to three counts of violating a protective order taken out by another woman and served 60 days in the tulsa county jail. >> i was kind of hooked on women for a long time. after my wife left me and everything, my attitude changed about women. that was probably where the switch started going in reverse toward cocaine. >> though he has been caught in the jail's revolving door, robert says it was during a stay two years earlier that he had an epiphany. it had to do with discarded slivers of soap in the shower stalls.
>> i actually take the leftover refuge that's in the showers, and i turn it into art. it's just soap. it actually comes out of the showers. >> what do you mean? >> it's off the floors of the showers left over. it's not new soap, it's used soap. my company's name while i'm in the jailhouse is nut soap crafty. because the soap sometime has filaments of other people's parts. i started back two years ago. i was sitting in jail and had been here two months and it was boredom. i said let me try something. and i told my cellie i was going to make a monkey and he said, nah, you can't do it. and i made a monkey. i take all the soap you know, little bits and pieces that's on the floor, i'll take those
little pieces and i'll bring them in here. i'll dry them out. then i grind them into a powder. since it's contraband and there's a window right behind me, i wear my cape while i'm working, that way the officers can't see exactly what i'm doing. then as you grind it into a powder you add a little water and you make clay with it. >> roberts also makes his sculpting tools from discarded items. >> this has a staple to it. and this is just basically a broken pencil, lead and steel intact and put it back in the sharpener and sharpen it to give me a little edge on it. >> a lot of work with the feathers and skin and detail. >> yeah. yeah, that's staple work. hours sitting with the stapler, etching. one little scratch at a time. >> though roberts' artistic skills are notable, technically his soap sculptures could be considered contraband. >> the system has a belief that anything that's not in their
matrix is contraband. but to me, i'm utilizing the soap. maybe not to take a shower with, but i'm not losing any of the quantity of soap. all i'm doing is altering the shape. what i tell them is if you are upset with me for using soap you should be upset with everyone else that uses their soap for showering, because they alter the soap, as well. >> if, in fact, staff has turned a blind eye to robert's repurposing of soap, there are many other infractions that will result in being sent to administrative segregation. as trenity baker learned after fighting with another inmate. >> i have been here eight days. it's long enough. i bit my tongue. i go crazy in this little room. i'll never fight again, i promise. >> like all other segregation inmates, baker is confined to a single-person cell 23 hours per day, and has lost most of her privileges.
>> how do you spend your days here? >> i spend my days trying to sleep. when i can't, i try to write, read. read a lot. >> this is baker's final day in segregation and her time at jail is coming to an end as well. she is awaiting transfer to prison to serve a five-year sentence after pleading guilty to a charge of false declaration of ownership at a tulsa pawn shop. at the time of her arrest baker was already on parole for earlier convictions, including auto theft and possession of methamphetamine. a drug she says she's been addicted to for the past ten years. >> i was so bad, my mom passed away, she had cancer and she passed away, and it's like i didn't even notice it. i still haven't dealt with it. all she wanted was a relationship with her daughter and i was so high i couldn't do that. and so now she's gone and i can't go back to that. >> the incident that led to baker's eight days in segregation began with a spat
with naeisha hardy, her bunk mate in the general population unit. >> she walked past me and pushed me. i told her you could have said excuse me. >> i went to get on my bunk. i walked past her without saying excuse me. >> she said no what you should have did was move out of my way. i said no, bitch what you should have did is said excuse me. we started cussing each other out. >> i just broke it up, had them come to the desk, called an escort in just to get them separated. >> after detention officer rich broke up the argument, she decided it would be best to move baker to another housing pod. >> she was the one that was really severely agitated. she was the one that was being really verbal. >> she said y'all moving me because of this bitch? i'm going to get you bitch. i'm going to get you. i had her hair, cutting her like this, and she had my hair, and i was on top of her. >> i just yanked baker off there to break them up.
pinned her on the floor until the rest of them come and she quit resisting. told her to quit resisting. she said the only way she was leaving was going to seg. that's exactly where she went. >> the girl is crazy. she needs medication. >> it stemmed as then trenity baker actually wanted to go to segregation. and it turns out she did because her best friend michelle wise was also in segregation. >> i'm like if i'm moving, i might as well fight her anyway and go to seg. i knew michelle was down there. i would rather be where i know somebody. she encourages me to do well. it works. i listen to her. i don't listen to nobody but her. >> during the one hour she is allowed outside her cell, baker was able to visit with wise. but wise recently returned to general population. >> ready to go, baker? >> yes, sir. >> all right. >> now it's time for baker to return to general population as well. she's going to housing unit f-22, not f-20, where michelle
wise was assigned. >> why the sour face when i told you you were going to 22? coming up -- back in general population, trenity baker works the system and another inmate to get the housing assignment she really wants. >> i guess she did what she had to do to get where she needed to get to. so -- >> and -- >> my best lawyer is me right now. >> the poore brothers face the judge and each other. oh yea, thn let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable, with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything.
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the tulsa county jail is a few miles from the courthouses where many of the inmates here will eventually be taken in order to resolve their cases. but to save time and resources, routine matters such as arraignments, the proceedings in which inmates are formally read their charges, take place within the jail through a video link to the courts. >> see you back here on the fourth. good luck. >> three days after being charged with the murders of four women inside a tulsa apartment,
james and cedric poore will have their arraignments today. it is the first time the brothers will have seen each other since they were charged. >> cedric poore. please come up to the podium, please. all right, good morning, mr. poore. >> cedric had been out of prison for 11 months prior to being charged with the quadruple whom homicide. he had served nearly 17 years for armed robbery after holding up the customers at a tulsa strip club. >> i wanted to work like the joneses, i wanted to work like the jeffersons but i wanted to live like donald trump. it wasn't worth it. nevertheless, i did it. i suffered the consequences for doing it. >> probable cause for your detention on four charges of murder in the first degree. three charges of robbery with a firearm. on the murder charges being held without bond. >> now facing charges that could result in the death penalty, cedric cannot afford an attorney.
>> my best lawyer is me right now. only thing i can do is continue -- i can read, i can write. it don't take much for me to learn. >> i'll appoint a public defender to represent you on this case. good luck. all right james poore. good morning, mr. poore. i believe you are represented by cathy frye, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> unlike cedric whose public defender is likely to be carrying a heavy case load and have limited resources, james poore has hired a private defense attorney. >> miss frye has been in this morning. not guilty plea entered on your behalf. good luck. >> thank you. >> after the arraignment, the two brothers try to talk. but an officer notices the exchange and separates them. >> did that go the way you thought? >> oh, no. i didn't know nothing about no attorney. how is his court process moving quicker than mine.
>> you tried to talk after you were arraigned. what were you trying to say to him? >> how did you get an attorney? how were you able to afford an attorney. i know i'm scrambling to try to get an attorney myself. >> you gonna be cool? >> it never hurts to shed a tear especially when you're a man of deep feelings. >> catch up, catch up, catch up. >> on the advice of his new attorney, james declined to discuss the case any further. but as he is led to a single-person segregation cell, cedric has much to say. >> for awhile, i was standing by the cold, believing that as long as i don't talk, as long as i don't snitch, i'll be all right. there's no way in hell my brother would throw me under the bus, so to speak.
now, i don't say it with great pride, trust me, i don't say it with great pride at all that i have to do what's best for me and mine. so, i got to start talking, you know, to save my own ass. >> when you say you have to talk, what does that mean? >> tell them everything i know. >> that indicates to me you have awareness of this crime? >> yes, i do. i have awareness of the crime, yes, i do. >> how did you come about this awareness? >> it was handed to me. by both, two of the three perpetrators that actually done the crime. >> who were the two of the three? >> i'd rather not say. right now. do i got anything to do with the crime? no, i do not. did i kill anyone? no, i did not. only one person that's implicated my name in this crime.
unfortunately, that's my brother. you know, you have an attorney when you could have gave me indication or something about it. i mean, makes it seem as though you're trying to push everything in to my direction like. you know, it's not going to happen that way. this is my brother putting me at the scene of a quadruple murder. and armed robbery now. it's most definitely going to turn out being brother against brother. coming up -- >> who are you here to see? >> cedric poore. >> cedric poore gets a visit from the woman who might help prove his innocence. and -- >> kind of was one of those situations where i didn't really want to take him. but i knew for the betterment of the facility i had to. >> richard roberts' soap sculptures wind up in the hands of authorities.
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restrictive segregation unit because her best friend michelle wise, was there for fighting, as well. now both women are back in general population housing units, but they're not in the same one. though baker might have discovered family in heather morton. >> who am i? >> she's my cousin. >> heather morton, she thinks she's my cousin so i let her think she's my cousin. so. she's not my cousin. >> my mom and your mom. remember bakers? or your daddy is a baker. we discovered this. we discovered this -- yeah. so anyway, that's what we find out we were cousins. >> why is this other woman claiming to be your cousin? >> i don't know. >> glad to see ya cousin. come back to see me. >> my mom and trenity baker have the same last name. we start naming off people and it was kind of you know, we kind of hit at some people that was
related to her that was related to me. so that's the reason that we thought we were cousins. >> yeah, but -- that's my cousin. but i know her regardless if we are cousins or not cousins. really, i think we're cousins. >> we're cousins? >> don't we look alike? >> later that day, baker filed what's known as a keep away request on morton. >> that means they keep you away from each other. >> specifically it's a form inmates fill out to let jail officials know that they have a problem with another inmate in their housing unit. >> i like heather. she's cool. i just had to put a keep away on her. had to do it. >> first and foremost we don't want to see anyone get hurt. if someone says that they're being, or have been threatened by an individual, we need to move them for safety. >> does heather know? no. but you can tell her if you want. i mean, i don't care. that's just how it goes. >> oh, trenity baker.
trenity, trenity, trenity. that's trenity, she -- yeah, i guess she did what she had to do to get where she needed to get to. so, but, you know, that's trenity. and i mean -- >> i'm happy to see you. >> i'm happy to see you, too, but you need to calm down. >> with a limited number of female housing units, baker has now been transferred to the same one as michelle wise. the coincidence is not lost on staff, who know that inmates sometimes use keep aways to manipulate housing assignments. >> so the keep away game only has one real outcome if you keep playing it and you'll eventually run out of places to go and have to go to administrative segregation. usually around the time it's time to go to administrative segregation the truth starts coming out and we start finding out that these keep aways are manufactured.
>> what is the connection with michelle? >> i love her. i just love her. >> i'm so glad to hear. i love you. >> i love you, too. >> her brother is the one that conducted us and now we love each other. >> baker is currently dating wise's brother but they share other things in common, as well. they're both mothers and meth addicts. they both have prior drug related convictions and are now awaiting transfer to prison. they each have five year sentences for crimes that while unrelated were fuelled by their addictions. >> i used a friend's i.d. to not have to use my own name because i had warrants. i have been on the run for two years. it caught up with me. it always does. i have been here three or four times since i was 18. i have been to prison twice. this will be my third trip. >> wise who holds a noncompensated jail job serving meals says this time around she's grateful for what the
tulsa county jail has done for her. >> i came in here three months pregnant strung out and i've been here eight months. i had a healthy, nine-pound baby. and i wouldn't have had that had i not been in here. >> six weeks earlier, she was transported to a nearby hospital to give birth to her son. she was with him for three days before giving him up to her brother and returning to jail. >> my brother is all the family that i have. and he came and picked my son, david, i named my son after my brother, he picked him up from the hospital. and i snuck contraband back from the hospital, my baby's shirt and his hat, and i kept it wrapped up in plastic so i could smell him every time i needed to smell him. >> wise says she hopes her stay at tulsa county and upcoming prison term will help her stay off drugs for good so she can be a better mother. she says the children's book borrowed from the jail library
has already helped her bond with her newborn son. >> you know, i read this book every night in my cell during my pregnancy. because every time i called home, my brother would put me on speakerphone and i'd hear my son like she's trying to root for the phone making noise with his mouth. so i know he knows my voice. so that helps me, you know, be close to my 6-week-old. >> coming up -- >> hey. >> cedric poore gets a visit. from his wife. >> and later, two best friends await transfer to prison. but before they leave, one receives devastating news from home. for heating the entire terminal, generating electricity on-site, and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment. now?
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because of my soap sculpturing. it gives them something to say, you know, to admire. and they all -- they all appreciate it. >> richard roberts says it was an earlier stay at tulsa county that led him to discover the incredible things he could do with the shards of soap. now, other inmates contribute to the raw material. >> i get deliveries on my window sill or underneath the door. a guy last night he brought me a whole bag of broke be up soap. so everybody tributes. >> but roberts' soap sculptures were recently confiscated as contraband. >> my opinion of those soap sculptures is that is a very talented man. he is extremely talented. i mean it kind of was one of those situations that i didn't want to take them. but i knew for the betterment of the facility that i had to. >> because i took soap out of the shower off the floor that was garbage and made something beautiful i was penalized for it. >> i explained to inmate roberts what the problem was, of it being an unsanitary situation.
and i really didn't quite get it. >> but the confiscation of contraband is routine at the jail. roberts' case was brought to the attention of the woman who runs the facility. >> he had an elephant sculpture with the big ears, big thick feet with the tusks. was phenomenal. phenomenal. i wish they could use those talents for something other than soap sculptures in jail. >> though staff followed policy in confiscating the sculptures, all was not lost. chief deputy robinette has put them on display. >> i moved them down to the library where my programs manager is. we are gearing towards an art program. we have so many programs right now that talk about life skills and getting your g.e.d. and all the bible studies and the church programs, but we don't yet have something that is geared towards the creativity of the individual inmate.
so, she's putting together an art program because that shows everybody that they can do something positive while they are in jail. if we can have one person leave this jail better than what they came and give them a skill or a tool to use when they leave so they can get a job that may affect their coming back, that one is a success. >> robbers' hopes he may be the jail's next success. >> is that it? >> that's it. >> he entered a guilty plea. on his charges of domestic assault and battery and larceny. the judge gave him a suspended sentence of 18 months plus time served. so today, roberts will be released and have another chance to make it on the outside. >> one moment you are tied, you are locked, shackled, then one
moment all of a sudden the chains are gone and now you just ready to fly away. >> cedric poore looks forward to a release date as well. that's not likely to occur anytime soon. he and his brother james are charged with the execution-style murder of four white women. before he stopped speaking to us, james said he feared race would influence their trials. >> truthfully i didn't expect to get no fair shake at this anyway. we're in the state of oklahoma and it was four white women that got killed. me and my brother, two black gentlemen with prison records. i mean you do the math. >> cedric says, if nothing else, he can prove he's not a racist. his wife of five months just arrived for a visit. >> you here to see -- >> cedric poore. >> j-11. >> get cedric poore for a noncontact, please.
>> today i get one of my joyous visits with my wife and i'm just waiting for her to come through. >> what do these visits do for you? >> keep me motivated and keep me going. keep my spirits up. get me to think about everything besides these four walls. >> hey handsome. >> hey, sweetie, how you doing? >> good, how are you? cedric is very family oriented. he's quiet, if you don't know him. not racist. yeah. the media is portraying him to be racist. obviously, i'm white, his best friends are white. he's not racist. >> i miss you. >> i miss you, too. >> i don't know if they know he's married to a white lady. surprise. >> i want to touch. >> i know. anxious. >> this glass is killing me. >> frustrated. >> that will work, too. that will work, too. that's the closest we can get baby, for now. >> i know. >> when i learned he had been arrested and charged, i actually
had to pull over and vomit on the side of the highway. my world has changed in every aspect. i have received threatening texts on my phone telling me to do the world a favor, put a gun to my mouth and pull the trigger. i love you. >> i love you, too, baby. >> i love you more? >> can't, it's not possible. >> yeah, it is. >> it's not. >> we'll just say we are even. he was very close to both my kids. he taught my 15-year-old to drive. he's not going to be here when she gets her drivers license. i'm going to get upset, sorry. >> what have you told your children? >> not to believe what they see on the news. i wouldn't be with someone that
could do something like that. >> how you been doing out there, emotionally? >> i'm okay. >> no more roller coasters. >> always going to be a roller coaster when you're in here. i'm handling the roller coaster better. >> you at the controls now? >> yeah. >> that's what i'm talking about. all gas and no brake. take me up the hill, baby. >> yeah. >> all gas, no brake. >> sorry. i wish i could fix it. >> i wish we both could fix it. it would be all right. you fixing it right now, you here. rain, sleet or snow you're here. you fixing it. it will be just fine. >> i believe my loyalty and commitment to him has been shown and he realizes that he chose the right person to marry because i am willing to be with him through thick and thin, good and bad, till death do us part. >> kiss. >> i love you. >> i love you, too. >> one more. see you. >> love you.
>> love you, too. bye. get a sense of calm when you know you got somebody there for you all the time. now, this is like the ultimate test. she's like front and center. she don't care. she's just right here. i'm a little bit lighter because anything that's going through my mind or my doubts i have running through my heart at times, you know, all this, all that get taken away. coming up -- >> let's get a hold of chaplin. >> a phone call brings tragic news for a tulsa county inmate. [ hoof beats ] i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people
state prison, she said her goal this time was to overcome her addiction, and become a better mother to her three children. including the 2-month-old son she gave birth to while incarcerated at tulsa county. he has been in the care of her brother. >> is one of my class fictions officers up there? we've got an issue. >> now sergeant collette has just received tragic news. >> last name wise, w-i-s-e. first name will be michelle. she doesn't know or maybe she does know, i don't believe she does, that her child died. the baby was, i believe, 2 months old. let's get a hold of chaplin and see if he's aware of that, and we'll house her in medical if we can. all right, thank you. all right, bye-bye. >> so, sergeant, what is that about? >> if she doesn't know the child has died, i want to make sure the chaplain's office knows. so i sent one of my officers to touch base with the chaplain's office to make sure that they are aware that her child did
die. then i have her going to mental health department. we have a person on staff right now, make contact with them so that they can be available to her and talk to her. at the very least, i want her to move to medical where they can keep a closer eye on her. >> jail chaplin ken farnham delivered the devastating news. but it was almost one month later before wise was willing to discuss her son with us. >> my son stopped breathing. my brother found him unresponsive in his crib. and, i don't know. >> his death was attributed to sids, sudden infant death syndrome. >> i didn't believe it at first, i thought it was a sick joke. i just, i didn't believe it. i don't know.
i mean, you know, i got three days with him in the hospital. my life has been so messed up because of my drug addiction and because of my choices and my mistakes since i turned 18. i have two other children that i lost due to my drug addiction. this was going to be a chance that i was going to have to change. to be different, to have my son, to be a mother to my child. that's why this is so much harder because all of me, every bit of me wanted to change. that last day was the hardest when i had to say good-bye because i didn't know how long i was going to, you know, i didn't know how long it would be before i could see him again or hold him or smell him.
now i can't hold him or smell him or see him. >> jail officials permitted wise to attend her son's funeral. >> i remember him being warm and soft and holdable. not in that casket and being cold and stiff. but, i don't regret, i'm glad i went. i probably would have regretted not going. >> wise, who no longer has a relationship with her son's father, last saw her brother at the funeral. she's not been able to reach him since then. >> my brother got two full months with my son and i got three days and now my brother is nowhere. my baby is dead and he's gone. i don't have my baby and i don't have my brother. it's -- i don't understand how he can't -- but i know he's grieving. my son is gone and my brother is gone.
it's like, what the [ bleep ], i'm here by myself and i need my brother or my baby, one of the two. >> is there someone here you can talk to? >> i don't want to talk to people. i just want people to leave me alone. i go to all my classes at nighttime. i lay in bed and i have all kind of bad thoughts. >> normally, wise would have had her beth friend and her brother's girlfriend trenity baker to speak to, but baker was transferred to prison two weeks earlier. >> it was so sad watching her go. a crying battle. she was a really good support for me, you know. i would like to think i was for her, too. it was sad watching her walk out. >> let's go to the chaplin. >> today, wise will have someone to speak to, her brother. chaplain farnham arranged for the two of them to have a special contact visit. >> he agreed to come at 10:00. he may be running late.
>> is it past 10:00? >> yeah. >> a short time later, it's apparent that her brother has not made it to the visit. >> i just want to see him. >> i know. we are going to work on you seeing him, even if you don't see him today. the problem is, he's running through the same processes as you. you know the other day on the phone you told him it isn't his fault. you talked to him about that. but you telling him that and coming to the belief of that is two different things. you realize that, don't you? >> yeah. >> remember you questioned the other day, was it something you did prior to your child being born? you questioned all that. david is going through the same things. he's questioning, is it something i did? could i have done it different or better? until he settles those questions in his mind, as much as he knows you love him, it's hard for him to come see you.
there's two reasons he might not have made it. he just doesn't know what to say to you yet. i know that doesn't help your feelings any because you really want to see him. >> it makes me angry. >> yeah. and that's fine to be angry. all we can do is try. we can't make him come. >> i know that. >> she really wants to see her brother, michelle does. she has no answers yet. she's hoping by seeing her brother, she can get answers. most of all, michelle genuinely feels for her brother and wants him to know she cares for him, she loves him, she doesn't blame him and that's what she wants him to know.