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together on every starbucks cup. "all in" starts right now. good evening. it is too close to call and israel's parliamentary eselections which have pitted netanyahu in the fight for his political life against a challenge from the center lift exit polls show likud party neck and neck with the zionist union inclusion, and while netanyahu is already declaring victory, it is not over yet. who comes out on top will determine on how the numerous parties come together to form the knesset. voters appeared to have seized the opportunity. turnout is up 4% el over the last election thanks in part for a american-style get out the vote campaign. if it looks and sounds like an american campaign it's because some of the major political groups in israel hired some consultant, including jeremy
byrd, who ran president obama's operations in to 12. there's no question this election, which was called by netanyahu himself two years ahead of schedule did not go the way he planned. faced with voter discontent over the high cost of living in israel and surprisingly strong challenge from herzog he has tacked hard to the right. in an israeli election that looks more like a gop presidential primary in the u.s. particularly the iowa caucuses, his strategy has been to fire up the base and try to siphon off report from the right flank. vowing at a right-wing rally never to cede control, and yesterday finally admitting what many cryic have long suspected. if he continues as prime minister, he would block the formation of a sovereign palestinian state. in what appeared to be a panicked last-stitch ploy to turn out voters he took another page in the american playbook.
right-win rule in danger. arab voters are streaming in huge quantities to the polls stations. on the heels of his speech the u.s. congress programs no figure is more polarizing than netanyahu. he is israel's george w. bush. the stakes could not be higher either for israel itself or american interests in the middle east. most of the region is in chaos, shia militia fighting in iraq syria in an intractable warrick, governments topped in yemen and parts of libya, and a nuclear deal with iran possibly on the horizon and hanging in the balance. meanwhile gaza is still in rubble after the war last summer citizens trapped in poverty, and settlementses on the west bank have clashes continuing to this day. does a possible israeli government led by a man who has
renounced even the pretext of a two-state solution -- has he won hi campaign at the expense of israel's diplomatic future? eyen joined by jonathan alter, who was just in israel for several weeks in the run-up to the election. great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> you were talking before we went on air, and you said this is not over despite what certain entities may want you to think. everything is very unclear at this moment neck and neck. >> if you real twitter or whatever, you will see the likud people, the netanyahu people celebrating, and that's all because at the very end, by being desperate and pleading with right-wing voters to vote for the semi-far right, his party, he got enough seats in the knesset and the parliament to probably according to the exit polls win by maybe one
seat. that gives him a little more momentum. it's not an american-style election. the issue is who can put together a coalition. that will depend on the king makers, the powerbrokers from other parties, and which way they go. the most important one is a man almost nobody in the united states has heard of named moshi colon, he used to be with netanyahu, but they had a big falling out. in the government he reduced the cell phone bills of israelis by about 80%. he became popular, and he got a lot of votes today. so he's holding a lot of cards. whichever of the two main candidates he goes with will be 9 next prime minister. the only question -- and this is somewhat of a oversimplification oversimplification -- >> very complicated. >> will he go with netanyahu or
herzog? if he goes with netanyahu, which is what most people predict, that's why the odds favorite netanyahu, but there's still a pretty decent chance with all the finagling, could go with herzog in the next couple days. >> let's take the first possibility. we saw this remarkable thing happen in the last month. we saw the speech in congress which is massively politically toxic, unprecedentally toxic. a series of statements that were very provocative, democrat 'goggic,'gog ic demagogic, has he written check that is the government will not be able to now cash? what does it mean to have this man run the government? >> it's really a problem for him and for israel because the bds movement boycotts
disinvestments sanctions, is gathering a lot of strength in europe. there are even some indications in the united states who have been supporters of israel that the long-term policy of the understandings vetoing any resolution in the security council at the united nations is favorable to the palestinians those days might be moving into the past. if that happens, then this election will be seen as a huge reckoning, a huge problem for israel, and really isolating them in the world in ways that they have not been before. so the stakes are quite high. of course they're high for the united states as well as it relates to the iran deal and all sorts of other issues. >> jonathan alter, thank you for joining us. really great to have you here. benjamin's netanyahu's call to arms reflects a new realtity in politics. wheel they have typically turned out to vote in lower groups
forcing into a collision called joint list have energized many citizens who may be forming a powerful new voting bloc. they finished third, as the focus moves, the arab coalition could be an unexpected king maker. joining mess is diana boutu. diana, the creation of the joirnt list ironically was a product of 9 change? parliamentary rules that essentially raised the threshold for what you had to get to get in the knesset in the hopes of distinguishing arab parties. >> yes, precisely they ended up raising the threshold from 2% to 3.25%, this is an in addition testify that was put forth business israel's current foreign minister who himself caused for the beheading of palestinian citizens. it ourns out in this election
he will lose a great number of seats and may not make it past the threshold himself. >> i want to take a moment to make this clear to people. the person who pushed this in order to extinguish arab parties pushed them to unite to now they have the third highest voting party, and his party is in possible danger of not hitting the threshold. >> precisely. the reason these parties have come together is because it became apparent while they may differ on issues thuf to be united against an end to occupation, so the parties have come together and are pushing and may actually end up being the third largest political party, making them the leaders of the opposition. >> we saw the rob ocalls going out, early exit polls suggest that mindial israeli citizens have turned out at higher rates. what role do you see them playing?
do you thing that they will hold to that? if they're in the opposition what role do you see -- >> they definitely will not be forming part of the government. this is because in part of forming the government, you become part of the responsibility. this is a government that believes in the denial of freedom for palestinians a government that believes in continued occupation and continued settlement expansion, and continued blockade on gaza. there's no non-antizionists will be voting and want to be a part of a government that believes in those things. that being said they may form a bloc in opposition to try to prevent a lot of the legislation that netanyahu and his supporters have been pushing forward, legislation that calls for discrimination against palestinians in terms of where they can live and purchase property discrimination against employment, against the privileges and benefits that are accorded only to jewish citizens of the state.
they would push back against the settlement discussion and the black ade on gaza. there's two extinct issues of course there's the occupation and the occupied territories and tirned settlement in the occupied territories in the west bank particularly -- or solely at this point, but there is also this question of how the palestinians citizens of israel are treated by the government by the state. there has been a turn at the right fringe represented by lieberman in recent years, to focus more and more sort of ire again the fellow citizens. a talk of loyalty oaths, raising the threshold. do you see that trend continuing? or do you see tonight as election results as a pivot in a new direction? >> i see it continuing sadly. the reason is it's become acceptable to be racist in israel. it always has been but it's been pushed to the fore. lieberman actually ran a campaign calling for the ethnic clenzing of palestinians. he also called for the beheading of palestinian citizens in
israel. this is the foreign minister. this pushing to the right is not just with lieberman, but with all of the political parties that will make up this collision. it will be a coalition of the right and it believes fundamentally that jews have superior rights than palestinians in israel. so the real challenge will be for this joint list to push back against that type of legislation, to try to prevent those pieces of legislation from being able to be initiated. i'm in and out sure they will have much success giving the recent trends in israel but they will certainly try. thank you, diana buutu. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. i will talk to although nfl player who agrees with the decision. ahead.
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about the world when you were 24 years old, if you're not now 24 years old. if someone said to you at 24 well you're doing this thing that will be very richly rewarded with lots of money, incredibly glamorous, lots of fun, people will know your name but down the road it might come back to haunt you. the overwhelming majority of 24-year-olds aren't very good at making decision in that but chris borland, a linebacker for the 49ers is such a man, announcing he's retiring at the age of 24 walking away from a $3 million contract because he didn't want to trade his health and -- it's a pretty remarkable thing. >> from when i played years ago, the money is so much bigger now than when i played. but the risks are still the same.
you know there's a physical risk. everybody is aware of the physical risk knee shoulder whatever. those things can be replaced but whether it comes to your brain, it could be replaced. >> we know more now. chris borland said he started thinking about it last season. he had what he thought was an undiagnosed is it concussion and he talked to brain experts, about the long-term impact on brains, and he just decided the risk wasn't worth it. >> you know what? he's a smart guy. the information is out there now. he has taken advantage of that information, and he has made an informed decision. when i played when many of the guys who played prior to five or six years ago, played there was no information out there. >> nothing. >> not at all. so you hear these people these fans who say, well you know that's why they pay the big
bucks, they knew what they were signing up for when they signed the contract. that's bull. the players did not know. they knew about having the talent. they knew about the possibility of getting hurt but in terms of the neurological risks, nobody knew until now. chris borland has made an informed decision for himself, which i applaud. this is one of those moments where everybody is going to sit up and take notice. >> yeah. >> when you look at a dave direson, some people paid attention. >> junior seau. >> he shot himself in the chest so the brain would be preserved for science. >> junior seau did the same thing. >> a defensive lineman for ohio state, he complained about having concussions.
as a result he committed suicide. nobody paid a lot of attention to it because ohio state was really on a roll but i'm pretty certain that borland probably paid attention to that and it's one of those things that figured into his equation as to whether he was going to continue to play or not. >> i want to stress here just for the same of establishing medical evidence the connection between brain trauma and suicide is not an established part of the literature. we now things about brain trauma and possibly degenerative possibilities which can lead to depression, just so so people can be clear about that. borland becomes the fourth player at the age of 30 or younger to retire in just the last week joining patrick willis who quit six days earlier, steelers linebacker jason wurls to do religious work and you wonder if you start to see more and more of this.
>> maybe you start to see it in a different way -- players always walk away. >> of course the average nfl career is very short. >> some of those players are not well-known, but when you have a guy who was drafted like jake locker you look at patrick willis willis, to walk away from the game you know bill parcells used to tell me you know before anybody else when it's time to go. when you don't 2350e8 that fire to play when you feel that you've been injured so much it doesn't pay to try to come back and play and not be the same player you were before then it's time to go. i applaud these players to doing that. chris borland is the only one who left because of the fear of serious brain injury down the road. >> real questions if that's a precedent we'll see. harry carson a real pleasure. >> thanks for being here.
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"new york times" reports that shell oil has spend more than $4 billion on its efforts to drill for oil in the arctic. the company has not done any drilling there since 2012 in part because of a series of costly and embarrassing accidents as well as environmental and safety violations. this year shell made a deal to get that drilling back on track q. the seattle post intelligencee" said the company entered into a quiet deal to have the port of seattle serve as a base for a arctic drilling that would take place thousands of miles away. soon got out prompting outrage among the vibrant environmental committee, which saw the arrange as a de facto acceptance of offshore drilling. one of the greenest cities and one of the most citizen-involved cities in the united states to approve a project without
citizen involvement is crazy. >> the prospect of shell's massive drilling rigs ships and equipmenting coming to the waterfront galvanized the council. environmental groups have also filed a lawsuit to block the deal. for its part shell says it's committed to drilling for oil in the argumentics, and supporters say it means jobs for seattle. opponent say any deal with exacerbate climate change and that's very, very bad for seattle in the long run. joining mess now, michael bryan, a member of the city council. how did this job get struck without apparently nobody knows about it? >> well as best i understand folks at the port of seattle entered into what's called some sort of verbal nondisclosure agreement, and essentially held secret negotiations for about six months to strike this deal. it was only a few weeks before the deal was actually signed it became public and there was a
brief discussion. >> did it become public through reporting, or did someone advise about the deal happening? >> well i'm not exactly sure what the impetus was, but the port commissioners, there are five elected folks from king county, held a public meeting to discuss it. they announced it they gave us a few days' notice then went on and signed the deal. >> describe to me what the citizen and politics reaction to it has been? >> well as you can imagine, seattle does not support drilling in the arctic. such a behavior is both destructive to the natural environment up in the arctic and po stench 5th here in seattle. the climate change thread is so real. any world where we're pulling oil out of the arctic and into the atmosphere is where we've well surpassed that temperature rise that's sustainable on our planet. >> i think this is a key point and people think about it in big, abstract terms, but every
bit of oil infrastructure and fossil fuel extraction has to happen somewhere, a coal export terminal, a pipeline that goes to the middle of the united states, some drilling rigs stored in the port of seattle. every one of those places is a site to have some kind of political action to block it. >> absolutely. you know the idea of drillings in arctic i think it's important for folks to understand, it's an idea that makes no sense. all the other major players have pulled out of the arctic. shell is the only one left. the ports they were looking at was seattle and dutch harbor alaska. that's problematic with the weather up there. it's so severe. we think if they're not is seattle, it may be the end of arctic drilling for the future. >> they don't have the argument which you see groups use all the time, which is if you don't build this we're going to do it somewhere else so you might as well do the deal. >> i think it's the other way around on this one. >> what about people who would
argue you're opening up a can of worms, which is do you want an ideological battle over ever port of seattle lease agreement? >> you know chris, there's no doubt that our economy is tied to the fossil fuel industry, and we have a lot of work to do if we're going to under wind that and become an sustainable kind of planet. it will be hard works. there's jobs tied to that, and we we have to figure out how to transition away from that. what we can't do is take a huge step backwards, and tie seattle as future to that it completely undermines everything else we are trying to do. >> it appears the mayor is somewhat on board in this. do you think you can actually stop this? the deal has been signed. what's your next move here? >> well, we're exploring all the options we have. so it's important to understand the city of seattle is a different entity than the port of seattle. what i do believe for sure is when the people who are in
charge decide this is a bad idea, we can unwind anything so right now the city is figuring out all the things that we can do to say, hey, this doesn't make sense, and whether it's through the legal action or through the port commissioners changing their mind and undoing the mistake, we'll make sure all the options are on the table. >> a piece of enduring advice i want to quote you, when the people in charge decide they don't want it anymore, we can unwind anything. mycobrian, thanks very much. >> thanks chris. it seems there's a lot of talk on the internet about al gore. >> al gore. [ meowing ] al gore. [ laughter ] >> a lot of talk some meowing. that's next minus the cat. what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers.
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president of the united states before the whole florida supreme court hanging chad situation? nobel prizewinner, oscar winner though he didn't actually win the oscar, and object of sustained ridicule by the right for being right about global warming. that al gore. that al gore is having a bit of a moment right now. he's in "new york times," a feature of him in his new life as an optimist. i have seen gore give the presentation that's described in the article, and it can make you optimistic. another piece by ezra klein and vox got people talking, al gore should run for president. gen ever granholm is the cochair of hillary clinton's plan for action, and also worked for al gore. people don't think of him as an active political player but i thought the ezra piece was persuasive.
i'm the opinion of the more the merrier. >> first of all i'm a total al gore fan and i did work for him, but it ain't gonna happen. his standard response to this question, and as you can imagine he gets asked it a lot -- i am not running, i am a recovering politician politician. ime in the ninth stage of recoveries, and the longer i'm in recovery the lest likely there is for relapse. it isn't going to happen. i know a lot of politicians and particularly republicans and a lot of media would like to see a primary. however, he is not going to be in that primary. by the way i think hillary clinton would welcome a robust primary. it's just i think democrats see her as the best chance and people are happy with that particular choice, assuming he raises her hand. >> the polls, you're right about this, the polling on this issue is pretty clear. there is a lot of support for hillary clinton among democrats, among primary voters.
my question is more about the ideological process by the way a party comes to decide what it stands for. it strikes me the primary is increasingly important for the process. if it's not al gore but somebody who was committed around climate change could have a real effect on what kind of commitments every candidate and the eventual nominee make what kind of infrastructure is built up what legislation is sort of put into the queue, and i'm afraid we won't get that process. >> first of all, the beauty about this particular setup currently is that she is going to have -- if hillary clinton runs, she's going to have a fight, right? the fight will be against the republicans. she's basically saying bring it on against the congressional republicans. great. there's going to be a contrast. there will be such a contrast on this issue, that you and i care deeply about. john podesta has moved over to
her team. he was obviously very instrumental in helping president obama take this issue on in his second term. i think there will be no doubt that she will be a forceful advocate for our planet but also for the jobs that come along with clean energy as a result. bottom line is chris, you know, the issue of a primary is a legitimate issue and i think she would welcome it but she is going to have a fight. just like the president is going tomorrow to cleveland to set up this contrast between his budget and the republican budget and fighting for the middle class, she will be doing that throughout the entire election and the entire republican machinery that has been orchestrated and set up to oppose her, including the $900 million from the koch brothers, and including all of the trey gowdy and the umpteen committees. she will have every single day the opportunity to hone her definition of what democratic values are and the contrast that
it brings to republicans. >> you know the point you make about podesta is precisely the point to me. i have a lot of admiration for john podesta's work but i guess the point is i want to see an issue like that battled out in public. in 2008 we had this robust debate about health care and we got into the weeds of that. as a party, you saw people as a coalition, as a progressive, you saw people hash that out. in the absence of that what you are left with is hoping the right adviser is in the right circle, and i don't think that's a good substitute. >> chris, this is such a fantastic opportunity for voters to choose. you'll have one party who is fighting for our future our planet the jobs that clean energy would bring and you'll have another party who is denies it even exists bringing snowballs on to the floor of the senate saying that's proof that global warming is not happening. so you are going to have this
debate and it's going to be a long debate. you know those funding the republicans, the koch brothers are the biggest climb deniers of all, so this is going to lap. she will be on the right side of an issue that you and i both feel strongly about. >> happy st. patrick's day. >> i've got my green on. people don't want to go to starbucks to have a discussion about race. i'll explain, ahead. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2015 e-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services.
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the race together initiative is part of a larger campaign supplemented by a recent ad in "new york times," which "shall we overcome?" later this week some decisional reading will be made available, packets to be districted in store will offer up confers starters, including a fill in the blanks question. as "fortune" reports, 40% of the are part minority racial group, and a hiring push focused the idea was 135rkd by a mean in look at that crowd. and he shared news of the initiative last week via video message.
is what if we were to write on every cup and that fa silcilitated a conversation. the company has come out in marriage of marriage equality asked customers to keep firearms out of the stores ein stays with open carry laws and not the first time they used cups to get a message -- and asking d.c. area to write "come together" on drink orders. predict blik the internet reaction was swift, and at times snarky. -- gawker writing in the campaign it sounds even more demeaning than mcdonald's asking you to dance for your egg mcmuffin. would they lower their prices
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we can't leave this for someone else. >> that is the starbucks chairman saying why he ps his baristas to start conversations about race. joining me now is jay smooth from race forward. before i give my own feeling on this i will open the floor to nancy. >> it is easy to make fun of him, and there was some funny tweets, but look, the bottom line is that it does need to be talked about. you made a point during the break, but the conversation of race as a concept is clunky and stupid but we have to start somewhere. i think it is cowardly to make fun and mock it and not try to get something started. one thing that is fact is the number of paid groups in the
country has gone up by 700-something percent. these are serious things. we're looking at serious times. the first black president has brought up stuff in people that is bubbling over and it is worth talking about however sloppy. >> i agree the intentions seem noble and i want to keep that in mind but there is straing conversations that. when howard schultz wanted to help veterans he didn't just want conversations about how much people like veterans he wanted a plan of action to help veterans. there is lots of conversation. we talk about what has gone on in ferguson and other places it is not issues that are addressed by increasing the number of
chats in coffee shops. we're talking about systemic issues. >> for people who think it is a problem -- >> the emphasis of talking about it misleads us with where the problems are. this focus comes out of a conversation that racism manifests on a personal level and our individual feelings toward each other, and sentiments -- we need to look at the systemic disagreements. >> the conversation about race -- we tend to think about a conversation about race in the way that you would in a psycho analytic sense. it is a repressed thing, but if we talk about it we will talk about it and that will be therapeutic.
but it is distributive power to some people -- >> a conversation that is focused on identifying systemic problems that is great. if we're talking so that we can feel better about talking to each other i don't think -- that is what conversations sometimes are. >> that is not always my experience. sometimes just again illuminating people that i am 6'1" a black woman, and if i get in an elevator sometimes and i'm alone, a white person won't get on the elevator with me. that might not seem like a big deal so some people but there is a break down and fear thing that goes on that if we talk about it with people we can say holy hell i have done something like that. >> it is necessary but not sufficient kind of a deal. >> yeah it's not all that has to happen. >> i want to play this clip that is sort of a famous clip from jay smooth about how to approach conversations about race that is a great bit of wisdom. take a listen.
>> when somebody picks my pocket, i'm not chasing them down so i can figure out if he feels like a thief deep down in his heart. i want my wallet back. i need to hold him accountable for what he did and that's how we immediate to approach these conversations about race. focus on the part that matters. holding each person accountable for the impact of their words and actions. >> this gets to something, the point that you're making there, the conversation we have about race rather than saying you're a racist -- just focus on individual things that happen right? like -- i thought you know what was a model of this? the d.o.j. report on ferguson. i thought it was such a great document in that he just said look, here are the numbers
impeer icallyim imperically. it just went about documenting in a rigorous way that avoided a lot of the -- >> i can't not tease jay about the brother way he was talking. >> i'm a rap guy. >> i know but it is another interesting and funny thing about race. some people would feel that you co-oped it and other people feel like that's his background and that is cool too. someone takes my wallet it is interesting since you were talking -- >> i am actually black, but you assumed otherwise, and this is the sort of awkwardness. >> but on top of all of that i'm clearly brown skill, and people say you talk white, you act white, you want to be white, you're white. >> can you have that conversation, or anything around with the person handing you the
espresso. >> that is so unfair. >> they're already too busy to spell anyone's name right. we expect them to be a diversity trainer with someone that didn't have their morning coffee yet. >> don't you sometimes get into intimate conversations with someone over a cup of coffee? >> i disagree with the notion that any conversation is better than none. all you have to do is look at brad paisley. if you don't time to discuss this productively, i think it can be a recipe for disaster. when you hire someone to work behind the counter at star bucks, you bring them in a structure and a system to do it. why are we delegating this to the lowest rung and are we giving them information and training on how to have a productive conversation.
i feel like this is throwing if out there in a half hazard way. >> i take issue because one of the board members is melanie hopson who is one of the few black ceos and she did a talk about being race brave. i think show might have had an influence on the conversation. >> so you sort of buy the general repression narrative. it is a thing we don't talk about and any opportunity to push back -- >> i want to say push it. >> but push past the boundaries. >> for me it is a win-win. even if it is sloppy and messy, let's get something started. >> let me start with this tweet from jay. i do think that putting this on the shoulders of people trying to -- >> here is a free jim coupon for
the new jim crowe. the education is too much. >> thank you for joining us both. that its it for "all in." >> thank you for joining us this hour. today was a day of lots of late breaking news from particularly overseas. in israel polls closed at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. 10:00 p.m. local time in israel and the whole world is waiting to see the fate of israel's prime minister and if he will be elected or if they will take a great leap to the left by rejected prime minister netanyahu and his party. the results are not a black and white yes and no question any time soon. it shows the two major parties got roughly equal numbers