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tackling techniques and better equipment and medical care for players. but one young player is not willing to take the chance. >> very interesting story there. you've been watching "the last word." you can find me on instagram or twitter. and now chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in" polls close in israel and netanyahu is already declaring victory. what does that mean for israel's relationship with the u.s. and the rest of the world? then a shocking premature ending to a promising career. >> i just don't want to get in a situation where i'm negotiating my health for money. >> how fear of concussions drove a line backer out of the nfl. plus a city in revolt against big oil. the big-name potential candidate on the sidelines. and the new gimmick from starbucks.
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>> what if we were to write race together on every starbucks cup. "all in" starts right now. good evening. it is too close to call, and israel's parliamentary elections, which have pitted netanyahu in the fight for his political life against a challenge from the center lift exit polls show likud party neck and neck with the zionist union coalition, and while netanyahu is already declaring victory, it is not over yet. depend on how israel's numerous political parties come together to form a governing coalition in the knesset. voters appeared to have seized the opportunity. turnout is up 4% over the last election, thanks in part for a american-style get out the vote campaign. complete with robocalls and volunteers going door to door. if it looks and sounds like an american campaign, it's because some of the major political
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groups in israel hired some consultant, including jeremy byrd, who ran president obama's operations in 2012. there's no question this election, which was called by netanyahu himself two years ahead of schedule, did not go the way he planned. faced with voter discontent over the high cost of living in israel and surprisingly strong challenge from herzog, he has tacked hard to the right in the homestretch of the campaign. in an israeli election that looks more like a gop presidential primary in the u.s., particularly the iowa caucuses, his strategy has been to fire up the base and try to siphon off report from the right flank. posting on facebook about the left wing conspiracy vowing at a right-wing rally never to cede control, and yesterday finally admitting what many of his critics have long suspected. if he continues as prime minister, he would block the formation of a sovereign palestinian state. in what appeared to be a panicked last-stitch ploy to turn out voters, he took another
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page in the american playbook. he resorted to demagoguery. on the heels of his speech, the the u.s. congress said there's no figure more polarizing than netanyahu. he is israel's george w. bush. this election is a referendum on him and his policies. the stakes could not be higher either for israel itself or american interests in the middle east. most of the region is in chaos, shia militia fighting in iraq, syria in an intractable war, governments toppled in yemen and parts of libya, and a nuclear deal with iran possibly on the horizon and hanging in the balance. meanwhile, gaza is still in rubble after the war last summer, citizens trapped in poverty and settlements on the west bank have clashes continuing to this day.
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now that netanyahu has shown his trau color -- true colors does a possible israeli government led by a man who has renounced even the pretext of a two-state solution -- has he won his campaign at the expense of still's diplomatic future. i'm johned by jonathan alter. great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> you were talking before we went on air, and you said this is not over despite what certain entities may want you to think. everything is very unclear at this moment, neck and neck. >> if you read twitter or whatever, you will see the likud people, the netanyahu people celebrating, and that's all because at the very end, by being desperate and pleading with right wing voters to not vote for the far right wing
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just the semi-far right, his party, he got enough seats in the knesset and the parliament to probably, according to the exit polls win by maybe one seat. that gives him a little more momentum. it's not an american-style election. the issue is who can put together a coalition. that will depend on the king makers, the powerbrokers from other parties, and which way they go. the most important one is a man almost nobody in the united states has heard of named moshi colon, he used to be with netanyahu, but they quarrelled and had a big falling out. when he was in the government he reduced the cell phone bills of israelis by about 80%. he became popular, and he got a lot of votes today. so he's holding a lot of cards. whichever of the two main candidates he goes with will be the next prime minister. the only question -- and this is somewhat of a oversimplification -- >> very complicated.
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>> the basic issue is will he go with netanyahu or with herzog? if he goes with netanyahu, which is what most people predict, that's why the odds favor netanyahu, but there's still a pretty decent chance with all the finagling, could go with herzog in the next couple days. >> let's take the first possibility. we saw this remarkable thing happen in the last month. we saw the speech in congress, which was massively politically toxic, unprecedentally toxic. a series of statements that were very provocative, resounsing essentially support for the two state solution. has the netanyahu campaign written checks his government will now not be able to cash? what does it mean for an israeli government have this man run the government?
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>> it's really a problem for him and for israel, because the bds movement, boycotts, disinvestments, sanctions, is gathering a lot of strength in europe. there are even some indications in the united states who have been supporters of israel, that the long-term policy of the united states vetoing any resolution in the security council at the united nations is favorable to the palestinians, those days might be moving into the past. if that happens, then this election will be seen as a huge reckoning, a huge problem for israel, and really isolating them in the world in ways that they have not been before. so the stakes are quite high. of course they're high for the united states as well, as it relates to the iran deal and all sorts of other issues. >> jonathan alter, thank you for joining us. really great to have you here. benjamin's netanyahu's call to arms reflexes a new reality in israeli politics. arab-israelis make up 20% of the
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overall population. while they have typically turned out to vote in lower groups, forcing into a collision called joint list, have energized many citizens who may be forming a powerful new voting bloc. they finished third, as the focus moves, the arab coalition could be an unexpected king maker. joining mess is diana boutu. former legal adviser and a joint list supporter. diana, the creation of the joint list ironically was a product of change in parliamentary rules that essentially raised the threshold for what you had to get in the knesset in the hopes of distinguishing arab parties. >> yes, precisely they ended up raising the threshold from 2% to 3.25%, this is an in addition testify that was put forth business israel's current
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foreign minister, who himself caused for the beheading of palestinian citizens. it turns out in this election, he will lose a great number of seats and may not make it past the threshold himself. >> i want to take a moment to make this clear to people. the person who pushed this in order to extinguish arab parties pushed them to unite to now they have the third highest voting party, and his party is in possible danger of not hitting the threshold. >> precisely. the reason these parties have come together is because it became apparent while they may differ on issues, they have to be united against an end to occupation, so the parties have come together and are pushing and may actually end up being the third largest political party, making them the leaders of the opposition. >> we saw the robocalls going out, early exit polls suggest that palestinian-israeli
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citizens have turned out to vote at higher rates. what role do you see them playing? do you think they'll hold to that? if they're in the opposition, what role do you see for them? >> they definitely will not be forming part of the government. this is because in part of forming the government, you become part of the responsibility. this is a government that believes in the denial of freedom for palestinians, a government that believes in continued occupation and continued settlement expansion, and continued blockade on gaza. there's no way palestinians are going to be voting and wanting to be part of a government that believes in all those things. that being said, they may form a bloc in opposition to try to prevent a lot of the legislation that netanyahu and his supporters have been pushing forward, legislation that calls for discrimination against palestinians in terms of where they can live and purchase property, discrimination against employment, against the privileges and benefits that are accorded only to jewish citizens of the state.
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they play an essential role in pushing back against the settlement discussion and the blockade on gaza. >> there's two distinctish issues, of course there's the occupation and the occupied territories and turned settlement in the occupied territories in the west bank particularly -- or solely at this point, but there is also this question of how the palestinians citizens of israel are treated by the government, by the state. there has been a turn at the right fringe represented by lieberman in recent years, to focus more and more sort of ire again the fellow citizens. a talk of loyalty oaths, raising the threshold. do you see that trend continuing? or do you see tonight's election results as a pivot in a new direction? >> i see it continuing, sadly. the reason is it's become acceptable to be racist in israel. it always has been, but it's been pushed to the fore. we're talking about lieberman actually ran a campaign calling for the ethnic
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cleansing of palestinians. he also called for the beheading of palestinian citizens in israel. this is the foreign minister. this trend of pushing to the right is one that we see not just with lieberman but with all of the political parties that will make up this collision. it will be a coalition of the right and it believes fundamentally that jews have superior rights than palestinians in israel. so the real challenge will be for this joint list to push back against that type of legislation, to try to prevent those pieces of legislation from being able to be initiated. i'm not sure they will have much success giving the recent trends in israel, but they will certainly try. >> thank you, diana. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. a pro football quits the nfl at the age of 4. saying it isn't worth the risk. wow... woohoo! i'm dreaming... pinch me. no, not while you're driving. and, right now, you can get a one-thousand-dollar volkswagen credit bonus on jetta models.
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earlier today, illinois congressman aaron schock resigned less than 12 hours after politico questioned tens of thousands of dollars he
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received in mileage reimbursements for his personal car. politico report charged the government for logging roughly 170,000 miles on mess personal car. the only problem -- when he eventual sold that vehicle, he had roughly 80,000 miles, meaning he was reimbursed for 90,000 more miles than it was driven. the equivalent of tens of thousands of dollars. he says he's now repaid all that he received. this is just an embarrassing string of revelations about the congressman's spending habits. more than $20,000 for private flights, some of which he's now repaid, apparently reporting thousands on a flight as a software purchasing and questionable real estate deals. and to think, all the scrutiny stems from the revelation that he spent $40,000 in government money, which he ultimately repaid on a "downton abbey" inspired congressional office.
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and fights stains. now with 24-hour freshness. tell us why you decided to retire. >> i think it was a combination of a number of things. it's a unique decision to me. i've done a lot of research of what i had experienced in my past, projected to what i would have to do to be the linebacker i wanted to be, and for me it wasn't worth the risk. it was just the realization i had just started my professional career, am i going to go down this road? commit the prime of my life to something that would be ultimately be detrimental to my health?
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that triggered my thinking, and changed the way i viewed the risks. think for a second about what kind of ways you thought about the world when you were 24 years old, if you're not now 24 years old. if someone said to you at 24, well, you're doing this thing that will be very richly rewarded with lots of money, incredibly glamorous, lots of fun, people will know your name, you'll be famous. but down the road it might come back to haunt you. the overwhelming majority of 24-year-olds aren't very good at making the right decision in those ferc -- circumstances. chris borland, a linebacker for the 49ers is such a man, announcing he's retiring at the age of 24, walking away from a $3 million contract, because he didn't want to trade his health and his life for his loovlihood. joining me now is harry carson to talk about this. it's a pretty remarkable thing to do. >> it is. from when i played years ago,
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the money is so much bigger now than when i played. but the risks are still the same. you know, there's a physical risk. everybody is aware of the physical risk, knee, shoulder, whatever. those things can be replaced, but when it comes to your brain, it could be replaced. >> we know more now. chris borland said he started thinking about it last season. he had what he thought was an undiagnosed is it concussion, and he talked to brain experts, about the long-term impact on brains, and he just decided the risk wasn't worth it. >> you know what? he's a smart guy. the information is out there now. he has taken advantage of that information, and he has made an informed decision. when i played, when many of the guys who played prior to five or six years ago, played there was no information out there.
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>> nothing. >> not at all. so you hear these people, these fans who say, well, you know that's why they pay the big bucks, they knew what they were signing up for when they signed the contract. that's bull. the players did not know. they knew about having the talent. they knew about the possibility of getting hurt, but in terms of the neurological risks, nobody knew until now. chris borland has made an informed decision for himself, which i applaud. this is one of those moments where everybody is going to sit up and take notice. >> yeah. >> when you look at a dave direson, some people paid attention to it. junior seau. >> he shot himself in the chest so the brain would be preserved for science. >> junior seau did the same thing. >> last football season in ohio ohio state, i think his name is
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kara george. defensive lineman for ohio state complained about having concussions. as a result he committed suicide. nobody paid a lot of attention to it, because ohio state was really on a roll, but i'm pretty certain that borland probably paid attention to that, and it's one of those things that figured into his equation as to whether he was going to continue to play or not. >> i want to stress here just for the same of establishing medical evidence, the connection between brain trauma and suicide is not an established part of the literature. we know things about brain trauma and possibilities of degenerative possibilities which can lead to depression. borland becomes the fourth player at the age of 30 or younger to retire in just the last week, joining patrick willis who quit six days earlier, steelers linebacker jason wurhls to do religious
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work and jake locker says he has no burning desire to play. you wonder if you will start to see more and more of this. >> maybe you start to see it in a different way -- players always walk away. >> of course, the average nfl career is very short. >> some of those players are not well-known, but when you have a guy who was drafted like jake locker, you look at patrick willis, who ask an all-star line backer, to walk away from the game, you know bill parcells used to tell me you know before anybody else when it's time to go. when you don't feel that fire to play, when you feel that you've been injured so much, it doesn't pay to try to come back and play and not be the same player you were before, then it's time to go. i applaud these players for doing that. chris borland is the only one who left because of the fear of serious brain injury down the road. >> real questions if that's a precedent we'll see.
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visit comcast.com/wireless to learn more. "new york times" reports that shell oil has spend more than $4 billion on its efforts to drill for oil in the arctic. the company has not done any drilling there since 2012, in part because of a series of costly and embarrassing accidents as well as environmental and safety violations. this year shell made a deal to get that drilling back on track "the seattle post intelligence" said the company entered into a quiet deal to have the port of seattle serve as a base for a arctic drilling that would take place thousands of miles away off the north coast of alaska. soon got out prompting outrage among the vibrant environmental committee, which saw the arrange as a de facto acceptance of offshore drilling. >> in one of the greenest cities in the united states, in one of
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the most citizen-involved cities in the united states, to approve a project without citizen involvement is crazy. >> the prospect of shell's massive drilling rigs, ships and equipment coming to the waterfront galvanized the mayor and the city council, who announced they will review the deal to see if it's legal. environmental groups have also filed a lawsuit to block the deal. for its part, shell says it's committed to drilling for oil in the arctic and supporters say it means jobs for seattle. opponents say any deal will exacerbate climate change and that's very, very bad for seattle in the long run. joining mess now, michael bryan, a member of the city council. how did this job get struck without apparently nobody knows about it? can you explain that part of it to me first? >> well, as best i understand, folks at the port of seattle entered into what's called some sort of verbal nondisclosure agreement, and essentially held secret negotiations for about six months to strike this deal. it was only a few weeks before
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the deal was actually signed it became public and there was a brief discussion. >> did it become public through reporting, or did someone advise about the deal happening? >> well, i'm not exactly sure what the impetus was, but the port commissioners, there are five elected folks from king county, held a public meeting to discuss it. they announced it, they gave us a few days' notice, then went on and signed the deal. >> describe to me what the citizen and politician reaction to it has been? >> well, as you can imagine, seattle does not support drilling in the arctic. such a behavior is both destructive to the natural environment up in the arctic and potentially hear in seattle. the climate change threat is so real. any world where we're pulling oil out of the arctic and into the atmosphere is where we've well surpassed that temperature rise that's sustainable on our planet.
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>> i think this is a key point and people think about it in big, abstract terms, but every bit of oil infrastructure and fossil fuel extraction has to happen somewhere, a coal export terminal, a pipeline that goes to the middle of the united states, some drilling rigs stored in the port of seattle. every one of those places is a site to have some kind of political action to block it. >> absolutely. you know, the idea of drilling in arctic, i think it's important for folks to understand, it's an idea that makes no sense. all the other major players have pulled out of the arctic. shell is the only one left. the ports they were looking at to host this fleet was seattle and dutch harbor, alaska. dutch harbor is problematic, because the weather is so severe. so if they're not in seattle, it may be the end of arctic drilling for the future. >> they don't have the argument
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which you see groups use all the time, which is if you don't build this, we're going to do it somewhere else, so you might as well do the deal. >> i think it's the other way around on this one. >> what about people who would argue you're opening up a can of worms, which is do you want an ideological battle over every port of seattle lease agreement? >> you know, chris, there's no doubt that our economy is tied to the fossil fuel industry, and we have a lot of work to do if we're going to unwind that and become the sustainable planet we want to be. there's jobs tied to that, and we we have to figure out how to transition away from that. what we can't do is take a huge step backwards and tie seattle's future to that. it completely undermines everything else we're trying to do. >> it appears the mayor is somewhat on board in this. do you think you can actually stop this? the deal has been signed. what's your next move here? >> well, we're exploring all the options we have. so it's important to understand the city of seattle is a
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different entity than the port of seattle. what i do believe for sure is when the people who are in charge decide this is a bad idea, we can unwind anything, so right now the city is figuring out all the things that we can do to say, hey, this doesn't make sense, and whether it's through the legal action or through the port commissioners changing their mind and undoing the mistake, we'll make sure all the options are on the table. >> a piece of enduring advice, i want to quote you, when the people in charge decide they don't want it anymore, we can unwind anything. that's always true. mike o'brien, thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. it seems there's a lot of talk on the internet about al gore. >> al gore. al gore. [ laughter ] >> a lot of talk, some meowing. that's next, minus the cat. a win. but imagine earning it twice.
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remember al gore? former vice president of the united states, former future president of the united states before the whole florida supreme court hanging chad situation? nobel prizewinner, oscar winner, though he didn't actually win the oscar, and object of sustained ridicule by the right for being right about global warming. that al gore. that al gore is having a bit of a moment right now. he's in "new york times," a feature of him in his new life as an optimist. i have seen gore give the presentation that's described in the article, and it can make you optimistic. another piece by ezra klein and vox got people talking, al gore should run for president. jennifer granholm is the co-chair of hillary clinton's plan for action, and also worked for al gore.
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people don't think of him as an active political player, but i thought the ezra piece was persuasive. i'm of the opinion the more the merrier in a democratic prime minister mare. -- primary. >> first of all i'm a total al gore fan, and i did work for him, but it ain't gonna happen. his standard response to this question, and as you can imagine he gets asked it a lot -- i am not running, i am a recovering politician. i'm in the ninth stage of recovery, and the longer i'm in recovery he says the less likelihood of a relapse. it isn't going to happen. you point about the primary. i know a lot of politicians and particularly republicans, and a lot of media would like to see a primary. however, he is not going to be in that primary. by the way, i think hillary clinton would welcome a robust primary. it's just i think democrats see her as the best chance, and people are happy with that
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particular choice, assuming she raises her hand. >> the polling, you're right about this the polling on this issue is pretty clear. there is a lot of support for hillary clinton among democrats, among primary voters. my question is more about the ideological process by the way a party comes to decide what it stands for. it strikes me the primary is increasingly important for the process. if it's not al gore, but somebody who was committed around climate change could have a real effect on what kind of commitments every candidate and the eventual nominee make, what kind of infrastructure is built up, what legislation is sort of put into the queue, and i'm afraid we won't get that process. >> first of all, the beauty about this particular setup currently is that she is going to have -- if hillary clinton runs, she's going to have a fight, right? the fight will be against the republicans. we saw her yesterday coming out
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swinging. she's basically saying bring it on against the congressional republicans. great. there's going to be a contrast. there will be such a contrast on this issue, that you and i care deeply about. john podesta has moved over to her team. he was obviously very instrumental in helping president obama take this issue on in his second term. i think there will be no doubt that she will be a forceful advocate for our planet, but also for the jobs that come along with clean energy as a result. bottom line is, chris, you know, the issue of a primary is a legitimate issue and i think she would welcome it, but she is going to have a fight. just like the president is going tomorrow to cleveland to set up this contrast between his budget and the republican budget and fighting for the middle class, she will be doing that throughout the entire election, and the entire republican machinery that has been orchestrated and set up to oppose her, including the $900 million from the koch brothers,
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and including all of the trey gowdy and the umpteen committees. she will have every single day the opportunity to hone her definition of what democratic values are and the contrast that it brings to republicans. >> you know, the point you make about podesta is precisely the point to me. i have a lot of admiration for john podesta's work, but i guess the point is i want to see an issue like that battled out in public. in 2008 we had this robust debate about health care, and we got into the weeds of that. as a party, you saw people as a coalition, as a progressive, you saw people hash that out. in the absence of that, what you are left with is hoping the right adviser is in the right circle, and i don't think that's a good substitute. >> chris, this is such a fantastic opportunity for voters to choose. you'll have one party who is fighting for our future, our
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planet, the jobs that clean energy would bring and you'll have another party who denies it even exists, bringing snowballs on to the floor of the senate saying that's proof that global warming is not happening. so you are going to have this debate and it's going to be a long debate. you know those funding the republicans, the koch brothers, are the biggest climate deniers of all. so this is going to happen. she will be on the right side of an issue that you and i both feel strongly about. >> happy st. patrick's day. >> i've got my green on. >> i think it was clearly decided today that people do not want to go to starbucks to have a conversation about race. i'll explain ahead. ring so you can blast right through tough messes and pick up more. huh aren't we clever.... thanks m'aam. look how much easier new bounty with dawn cleans this gooey mess versus soap and a sponge. thank you! new bounty with dawn. available in the paper towel aisle.
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starbucks is attempting to heal america's racial wounds. this week 12,000 locations have the option to start up a conversation about race relations about writing the words race together on cough yes cups. eventually given this cup with a sticker on it the conversation about race did not follow. the race together initiative is part of a larger campaign followle an add in "the new york
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times" which the question is posed, shall we overcome? some additional reading will be made available. one fill in the blank question asked -- >> as buzz feed reports, the company will announce a new hiring push focusing on african-american and latino youth. the ceo says the idea was sparked by a meeting with some employees in seattle. look at that crowd for a second. following the events in ferguson and new york. and he shared news of the initiative with employees via video message. >> what if we were to write "race together" on every starbucks cup and that facilitated a conversation between you and our customers. and what if our customers had a
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renewed level of understanding and sensitivity about the issue? >> this isn't the first time they've been in the meetia on social issues. and it's not the first time they've used cups to get a message across. asking d.c. area locations to come together on drink orders and saving the country from fiscal reunion. the internet reaction was swift and snarky saying -- >> me i've got my own reaction which has to do with the great
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chairman saying why he wants his baristas to start conversations about race. joining me now is jay smooth from race forward. before i give my own feeling on this i will open the floor to nancy. >> it is easy to make fun of him, and there was some funny tweets, but look, the bottom line is that it does need to be talked about. you made a point during the break, but the conversation of race as a concept is clunky and stupid but we have to start somewhere. i think it is cowardly to make fun and mock it and not try to get something started. one thing that is fact is the number of paid groups in the country has gone up by 700-something percent. these are serious things. we're looking at serious times.
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the first black president has brought up stuff in people that is bubbling over and it is worth talking about however sloppy. >> i agree the intentions seem noble and i want to keep that in mind, but there is strange conversations that. when howard schultz wanted to help veterans, he didn't just want conversations about how much people like veterans, he wanted a plan of action to help veterans. there is lots of conversation. we talk about what has gone on in ferguson and other places, it is not issues that are addressed by increasing the number of chats in coffee shops. we're talking about systemic issues. >> for people who think it is a problem -- >> the emphasis of talking about it misleads us with where the
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problems are. this focus comes out of a conversation that racism manifests on a personal level and our individual feelings toward each other, and sentiments -- we need to look at the systemic disagreements. >> the conversation about race -- we tend to think about a conversation about race, in the way that you would in a psycho analytic sense. it is a repressed thing, but if we talk about it we will talk about it and that will be therapeutic. but it is distributive power to some people -- >> a conversation that is focused on identifying systemic problems that is great.
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if we're talking so that we can feel better about talking to each other i don't think -- that is what conversations sometimes are. >> that is not always my experience. sometimes just again illuminating people that i am 6'1", a black woman, and if i get in an elevator sometimes and i'm alone, a white person won't get on the elevator with me. that might not seem like a big deal so some people, but there is a break down and fear thing that goes on that if we talk about it with people we can say holy hell i have done something like that. >> it is necessary but not sufficient kind of a deal. >> yeah, it's not all that has to happen. >> i want to play this clip that is sort of a famous clip from jay smooth about how to approach conversations about race that is a great bit of wisdom. take a listen. >> when somebody picks my pocket, i'm not chasing them
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down so i can figure out if he feels like a thief deep down in his heart. i want my wallet back. i need to hold him accountable for what he did and that's how we immediate to approach these conversations about race. focus on the part that matters. holding each person accountable for the impact of their words and actions. >> this gets to something, the point that you're making there, the conversation we have about race rather than saying you're a racist -- just focus on individual things that happen, right? like -- i thought you know what was a model of this? the d.o.j. report on ferguson. i thought it was such a great document in that he just said look, here are the numbers imperically. it just went about documenting in a rigorous way that avoided a lot of the -- >> i can't not tease jay about
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the brother way he was talking. >> i'm a rap guy. >> i know, but it is another interesting and funny thing about race. some people would feel that you co-oped it, and other people feel like that's his background and that is cool, too. someone takes my wallet, it is interesting since you were talking -- >> i am actually black, but you assumed otherwise, and this is the sort of awkwardness. >> but on top of all of that, i'm clearly brown skill, and people say you talk white, you act white, you want to be white, you're white. >> can you have that conversation, or anything around with the person handing you the espresso. >> that is so unfair. >> they're already too busy to spell anyone's name right. we expect them to be a diversity trainer with someone that didn't
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have their morning coffee yet. >> don't you sometimes get into intimate conversations with someone over a cup of coffee? >> i disagree with the notion that any conversation is better than none. all you have to do is look at brad paisley. if you don't time to discuss this productively, i think it can be a recipe for disaster. when you hire someone to work behind the counter at star bucks, you bring them in a structure and a system to do it. why are we delegating this to the lowest rung, and are we giving them information and training on how to have a productive conversation. i feel like this is throwing if out there in a half hazard way. >> i take issue because one of the board members is melanie hopson who is one of the few
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black ceos, and she did a talk about being race brave. i think show might have had an influence on the conversation. >> so you sort of buy the general repression narrative. it is a thing we don't talk about and any opportunity to push back -- >> i want to say push it. >> but push past the boundaries. >> for me it is a win-win. even if it is sloppy and messy, let's get something started. >> let me start with this tweet from jay. i do think that putting this on the shoulders of people trying to -- >> here is a free jim coupon for the new jim crowe. the education is too much. >> thank you for joining us both. that is it for "all in." >> thank you for joining us this hour. today was a day of lots of late breaking news from particularly
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overseas. in israel polls closed at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. 10:00 p.m. local time in israel and the whole world is waiting to see the fate of israel's prime minister and if he will be elected or if they will take a great leap to the left by rejected prime minister netanyahu and his party. the results are not a black and white yes and no question any time soon. it shows the two major parties got roughly equal numbers of

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