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african-american woman to be nominated to be attorney general, is asked to sit in the back of the bus when it comes to the senate calendar. that is unfair. it's unjust. it is beneath the decorum and dignity of the united states senate. today the grenade went off. senator john mccain took to the senate floor today to demand a public apology from senator durbin. here's what he said as durbin stood just feet away. >> what is beneath the decorum and dignity of the united states senate, i would say to the senator from illinois is for him to come to this floor and use that imagery, and suggest that racist tactics are being employed to delay ms. lynch's confirmation vote. >> such inflammatory rhetoric serves no purpose.
i think he owes this body ms. lynch, and all americans, an apology. durbin didn't apologize, he doubled down. >> i'm glad that i heard my colleague's comments firsthand, and i'd like to respond to them directly. as of today, loretta lynch, who is the president's nominee for attorney general has been had her nomination pending before the united states senate 131 days. she has now been pending before the senate longer than any nominee for attorney general in the last 30 years. she has been on the calendar now -- on the calendar waiting for a vote for a longer period of time than the last five nominees for attorney general combined. why? >> my question tonight -- what the hell is dick durbin doing? i'm joined now by former rnc
chairman michael steele and democratic strategist steve mcmahon. thanks for being here. answer the question what the hell is he doing? steve? >> and by the way, i'm not suggesting what senator durbin said is literally factual or true, but whether it is or not, this is what a lot of people think. it's what a lot of women think, a lot of what african-americans think, what a lot of swing voters think. the republicans have a problem here, and the problem is getting worse, i think. it's masse it more difficult to reach out to moderate voters that decide elections. i think some of the questions he asks is legitimate. he may ask differently than i might ask, but the point is what a lot of people wonder about and people may agree with. >> michael, do you buy that? and is senator durbin right? is there a racial element here?
>> i don't buy it and he's full of crap. this is such a bunch of noise, unnecessary noise, injecting race into this process is absolutely ludicrous, this is the politics of washington political nominations. this is how it's played out. durbin himself has played this game with judicial nominees and so this is absolutely crazy to bring this into the conversation over what is a political squabble a tit for tat between the republicans and the senate and ultimately the white house. you know i just totally think this is out of bounds and takes it to a place it doesn't need to go. i'm just tired of liberal thinking that they can play the civil rights card and just throw around these phrases, you know back of the bus, and church bombings and all the other stuff, the invectives they bring up from the past that this is somehow tragic beyond words.
this is politics in washington. give me a break. >> there are republicans who use civil rights imagery and even slave imagery -- >> it doesn't work on either side. >> correct. there are democrats who view senator durbin's comments with mixed reactions? let's take a listen to some of them. >> i want to ask -- and really this should not be necessary, but i want to ask -- why do we have almost a double standard for ms. lynch? for her and her nomination? she is the first african-american woman appointed to head her department of justice, has had her nomination pending on the senate floor longer than any nominee for attorney general going back three decades. >> i think durbin was wrong. i think he was flat-out wrong. the reason i say that the way i look at it here we know why
it's being held up. her points on immigration, really what you're doing is you're helping the opposition because now they can focus on you and your comment versus why she's actually being held up. >> you know what steve? doesn't roland martin have a point here? i usually don't agree with everything he says, but i gray 100% there with him. doesn't that make durbin a distraction to the real issue? >> well senator durbin certainly makes himself a distraction to the real issue, which is frankly whether or not this woman is being treated fairly whether or not she should be confirmed, why frankly only four united states senators have said this nominee, who is eminently qualified somebody they would support on the senate floor. the fact is the matter is there's so much to cry size republicans for, this actually is probably unnecessary, but it does as i said raise a lot of questions that a lot of people
have, and i think that was corey booker talking about is there a double standard here. i think the question that republicans have to ask, is there a double standard here? there are a lot of possible reasons for that maybe michael steele is right, but there are a lot of people frankly who believe that some of the questions being asked right now are legitimate to ask, and frankly if you look at the republicans' record, whether it's on extending civil rights or blocking voting rights or a whole range of issues that have to do with racial sensitive, they've got a problem here that frankly senator durbin is just shine ago light on. it's a problem that already existed, which is why they're so sensitive about it. >> go ahead, michael. >> i was going to say, this has nothing to do with her race. this has to do with her epps on executive orders. this is what this is all about folks. her answers on executive orders was not one -- >> the one on immigration. >> that's right. there was not one that they liked, not one that they want. they do not support a nominee
who believes the president could act with this level of impunity. it has nothing to do with the race. i think thee eminently qualified for the job, but let's not forget about the politics. this is why we can't have a discussion about race in this country, because we always wrap the wrong stuff around it. this is politics. it has nothing to do with her race. >> this is why we can't have nice things apparently. we have to go -- go ahead, steve. i'll let you have the last word. >> it is politics michael, and frankly the republicans are in a political jam. if they had done more to support civil rights to support women's rights -- >> you still would have the same result. >> they wouldn't be in this james. if the principle is on this immigration and executive orders. with that we'll make it the last word. thank you both. senator mccain also took a shot at durbin's record. let's walk. >> perhaps my colleagues and senator from illinois in
particular need to be reminded of their own record when it comes to the treatment of african-american women whose nominations were before this body. in 2012 janice rogers brown, an african-american was nominated to serve on the u.s. court of appeals for the district of columbia, a court that had never included an african-american woman judge. the senator from illinois voted to filibuster her nomination in 2003, and again in 2005 when she was finally confirmed after waiting 684 days the senator from illinois voted against the historic nomination. i would never suggest, even with veiled red rick that that judge brown's race was the reason for his opposition to her nomination, and i say to my colleague, he should extend that courtesy to me and my
colleagues. here is senator durbin's response. >> when my colleague from arizona notes the fact that i have voted against african-american women nominees in the past it is true. i am not arguing that every member of the senate should vote for loretta lynch simply because she would be the first african-american woman to serve in that capacity. all i'm saying is she deserves the same fair treatment we have given to other nominee foss this job. senator chris kuhns is a member of the senate judiciary committee which held confirmation hearings back in john wear. thank you for being here. >> thank you, jonathan. >> senator, do you think that senator durbin is right? is the gop throws loretta lynch in the back of the bus? >> what this issue is essential by, jon that are, is loretta lynch is a remarkably qualified nominee, and it raises real
questions for her to be languishing on the floor longer than all five nominees for a total of 131 days so far, we've been waiting for a confirmation vote on loretta lynch. i'm not sure there would be this debate this back and forth if there weren't other issues where we're not able to make progress. as you know i was just in selma a few weeks ago for the 50th anniversary of the voting rights, of the incident both bloody sunday and the successful march from selma to montgomery that led to the introduction of 9 voting rights act. i continue to work with my colleague, senator leahy and senator durbin to try to find a republican co-sponsor who would join us in restoring the core of the voting rights act that was taken out by the supreme court two years ago. i'm not sure it would by this poignant, this pointed if it weren't for the combination of her remarkable qualifications,
how well she did before the committee and how important the issues are that are going unaddress unaddressed. i don't think this would be quite as sharp an exchange on the floor if we weren't having such difficulty finding republicans to take up their historic party's commitment to civil rights and join us in fixing things like voting rights. senator coons, on that mark we are agreed but back to senator durbin and his comments. do you think they were smart politics or a distraction? we're spending more time talking about what he said republicans are doing than -- than in blocking her nomination than on trying to get her confirmed. >> well let's take at face value what michael steele just said on this show that the real reason she's being held up is the overwhelming majority of republicans don't like her position on the president's executive orders. well, it's the president who's nominated her. the idea that the president would nominate someone to be
attorney general who has an opposite view from him of the law and the appropriate scope of it is just ludicrous on its face. there are arguments being offered here on both sides that i think miss the central point. we have a remarkably qualified nominee, someone who should have been confirmed weeks ago, who is languishing for murky reasons, and i think senator durbin was simply trying to highlight the fact this is an alarming development and it's important for us to move forward to this nomination. a highly qualified nominee, who her last confirmation she was confirmed unanimously. >> unanimously. thank you senator chris coons. andrea mitchell sat down with benjamin netanyahu for his first television interview. he tried to walk back the pre-election rejection of a two-state solution. is the damage already done. plus hillary clinton has found -- and it's not anyone
running on the republican side. don't look now, but the royals are in washington. prince charles and camilla, the dutch chez of cornwall met today with president obama. we have that covered later in the hour. finally the actress ashley judd threatening legal action against people who took to twitter to threaten her. starbucks too is getting pounded by the twitter trolls. we're talking about the nasty side of social media with the roundtable tonight. this is "hardball," the place for politics. earning unlimited cash back on purchases. that's a win. but imagine earning it twice.
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begins. before the vote bibi nettenia howard back offend his pledges, saying -- i thinening who moves to establish a palestinian state and evacuate territory gives territory away to islamist attacks. according to associated press, when asked if that means a palestinian state will not be established if he is elected, netanyahu replied, indeed but today in an exclusive interview with nbc chief foreign afarce correspondent andrea mitchell he pivoted again. >> i haven't changed my policy. i never retracted my speech from six years ago cal for a demilitarized mind can state that recognizes the jewish state. what has changed is the reality. he's made a pact that calls for the destruction of the jewish state. every territory that's vail
waited in the middle east is taken up by islamist forces. we want that to change so we can realize a vision of real sustained peace. i don't want -- i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable peaceful two-state solution but for that, circumstances have to change. that is the way the white house has interpreting -- the white house says this is diadvicive, and so diadvicive that now the administration is saying that he will not stop the u.n. from conferring statehood? or at least they're strongly considering not blocking a vote for statehood for the palestinians. >> first of all that state would become a terror state. iran says they will arm the west bank the way they arm gaza. just a few months ago, not ancient history, theos of rockets on our head.
we don't want it to happen again. yesterday the white house said it was deeply concerned by comments he made on election day when he warned -- arab voters are going to the polls in droves. that was then. here is bibi today. >> i'm very proud to be the prime minister of all of israel's citizens arabs and jews alike. >> that's not the way it sounded on election day. >> if you hear what i said you might reconsider what you just said and what you quoted. i'm very proud of the fact that israel is the one country in a very broad radius that -- in which arabs have free and fair elections. that's sacrosaint. >> at the white house today -- the reversal could have repercussions going forward.
>> we certainly are in a position to evaluate or approach given that the prime minister essentially backed away from commitments that israel had previously made. words matter and that is certainly true in this instance because of what he has articulated and because of his pretty clear indication that he's prepared to withdraw from very serious commitments that israel had previously made that does and has prompted us to reevaluate our approach. late today the white house said president obama called netanyahu to congratulate him and the president reaffirmed america's commitment to a two-state solution. carol lee. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. you've reported that the white house left open the possibility that it won't shield israel from unfavorable u.n. resolutions. is that a serious threat, you think?
thing were bad before the election. then you have the prime minister come out and say what the white house thought was a total reversal the president was very angry and upset by comments that he interpreted as diadvicive about israeli arabs, so upset he essentially ordered the shift in the u.s. policy it's a pretty drab tim shift. you think that it can't create a palestinian state in any other way other than an agreement between the two sides. they have done a lot to block the resolutions at the u.n. and their statement has always been unequivocal opposition to any motion at the u.n. to try to do something there. for them to come out and say
yesterday and again today that they're trying about reconsidering that position is a big change and what remains to be seen is whether they follow through with that. obviously the prime minister walked back hi comments today whatever message the president got from him in that phone call today would be important, that the president reiterated to the prime minister that he is going to be reevaluates this policy so the president didn't back down on that in this phone call but more broadly, i think the two are set to clash on big issues in the coming months. they're going to come up with a deal in a framework that seems more and more likely. they've been at loggerheads for that for a long time. >> so the conventional wisdom
that it's going to get worse now is probably right? >> yeah especially when you look at iran the negotiators have been at it all week. and it's liking likely that they're going to get a deal. there's a draft text being passed around, with the semantic semantics semantics, the would you say is saying there's not a draft there is no deal until there's a final deal. they're getting closer. that would be another test of this relationship between the president and the prime minister, for sure. >> thank you very much carol lee. up next nor questions than answers for the secret service after two agents drove their car into a barricade after a night of drinking. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ad all about zero-turn mowers. click. scroll. tweet. or you could just sit on a john deere z435 eztrak and feel its power.
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clancy is in the hot seat over the incident earlier this month involving two agencies that sdrunted an active bomb investigation at the white house. the agents were allegedly drinking about of they drove into a barricade on the compound. after an underwhelming performance tuesday, director clancy returned to capitol hill to testify again today. this time he made an effort to downplay the severity of the incident as it was first reported. >> i'm also personally reviewed video surveillance from the evening of march 4th. i welcome the opportunity to review this footage with each of you. previous reports of a crash are inaccurate. there was no crash. the video shows the speed of approximately 1 to 2 miles per hour and pushing aside a plastic barrel. there was no damage to the vehicle. >> as he said his assessment of the incident is based on his review of surveillance video,
however, on a closed-door meeting yesterday, he reveal that videos that might have captured the incident more clearly may have been deleted. >> there are literally hundreds of cameras surrounding the white house. we saw two angle, but when we asked, can we see different angles the directors said they may have been erased. eraised? are you kidding me? there may have been something embarrassing, but they weren't showing us the other tapes. we asked for them formally expect to see them but the director indicated they may not have them. >> but clancy denied they were intentionally deleted. >> we don't have a system where someone can erase tapes, put their finger on a dial and erase, but they are by practice at 72 hours taped over. i know that's a concern, right flu so. what i did -- i instructed my
staff to reach out to the manufacturer, and hopefully we can get the manufacturer in to try to re-create those tapes. >> it's another blow to the credibility of director clancy who was appointed to clean up the agency just last okayed. i'm joined by carol lynn ig of "the washington post," who was the first to break the story of the agents driving into the barricade. i have to ask you, are your courses, are they contradicting the director here? >> no. actually the director confirmed what we reported. you know there's a -- i understand why the director is pushing hard and saying there was no crash. what he looked at any videotape, there was no crash. we didn't report there was a crash. he said on tuesday, just to lee mind everybody, in his testimony on the hill the first he heard of this was monday five days after it happened and he said the first he heard was from people telling him that there were allegations that there had
been a crash at the white house involving agents who were suspected of being drunk. we reported what he was investigating at the time. these partial tapes help establish that the guys weren't going very fast as we reported. they nudged a barrel they hit a temporary barricade, but they didn't hit it very hard. they didn't hurt the car, but now while the new director is very strongly asserting that this is not a very serious incident or they the driving part isn't very serious, he's also acknowledging i have a wealth of potential evidence that is no longer in my possession. and lawmakers, both republicans and democrats that i interviewed after he told them this today senior really stunned that a walmart will keep this for 30 days but the secret service keeps it for three. carol, talk more about that that
you've heard from folks on capitol hill. i mean they're stunned by this. what are they actually saying? >> so congressman cummings and i were just on the phone, the ranking member of the oversight committee. he's along with chairman chaffetz what 'told me is that night there was a bomb threat. minutes before these agents drove onto the complex, a woman jumps out of her car, throwing a strange-looking green package onto the grounds and yells in a series of epithets this is a bomb. it's immediately cordoned off. congressman cummings said by their own policy they should have retained all sorts of video all over the place, because there was a serious incident. whether they thought the agents
driving onto the complex a big threat the bomb threat was. we'll be reading your stories and have you back. >> thank you. up next hillary clinton might not officially be running yet, but she's giving more clues how she'll run when she gets into the race. that's next with the roundtable you're watching "hardball," plat place for politics. discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible.
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posted for eight states. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." she's not yet an official candidate, but hillary clinton has fouled her perfect foil the republican-led congress and the historically lord -- in tweets last week she talk aim at her potential rivals sitting in the u.s. senate. she tweeted -- gop letter to iranian clerics undermines american leadership. on monday congressional trifecta against women today, blocking first african-american woman longer than any a.g. in 30 years. and threatening women's health and rights. again on tuesday, repeat of the aca would let insurers write their own rules against and wipe
out coverage for 16 million. "the washington post" writes -- broad-brushed assault is intended to tie all republicans, her chosen topics and targets also provide a window on her preparation for a campaign likely to focus on which candidate can best connect with the middle class and economically disenfranchised. casey hunt is a political correspondent for msnbc. paul singer is washington correspondent with "usa today" and lauren victoria burke is managing editor of politic 365. folks, is the gop congress and their early stumbles just the perfect foil for hillary clinton? lawrence i'll start with you. >> obviously it is. this is a congress that doesn't do much. now the republicans are obviously in charge and they're not showing they can govern. this is an easy congress to run against. at some point it's got to get
boring to middle-class americans you're paying piece $174,000 a years to not put out anything. for hillary to challenge that is pretty easy. >> casey, is that going to last long? >> well jonathan it's going to have to last for a good long while. she doesn't have anyone to turn her fire against otherwise, because she doesn't have a primary primary. i think that's her struggle going in here. we've talked a lot with the e-mails, about the fact she might have to benefit -- the reality is she's only have this republican consequence to run against. i think her challenge is going to be she can't do what a president can. she doesn't have that pen and phone, as he says that she can use to take action that can be a major part of the news cycle. all she can do is attack. i think that's a tougher spot to be in. >> well paul all she can do is attack, but if she's attacks, she's attacking on issues
women's sure health care, fairs in race you name it and doing it all think twitter. el we seeing through those tweets and her comments the foundation, the bare bones of what a campaign at least substantively will look like? >> absolutely. in fact we have a story on our website today about the fact that hillary clinton is already laying the groundwork for the first woman president theme that's going to carry through. people are going to -- she is going to try to make the witch to women that you have to vote for the first woman president. the republican congress of course is giving her some of those issue toss play with, when they block bills because they have an abortion rider on there. that's playing right into her strategy. that's good for her. i think you'll see a lot of these issues where they're social issues playing into her strength, which is i'm the only woman running for this office. >> "the washington post" also
writing -- like his 1990s spread says ore newt gingrich house speaker john boehner faces near-constant calls from his planks but one of his own republicans in the house says not so fast. peter king a republican from new york told cost"the washington post" this -- we in grudging admiration admiration, you have to know that no one is better at making themselves victims better than president and secretary clinton. i know them i consider them friends, but having said that they are masters of political jujitsu. with friends like that? it's incredible. casey, what do you make of that? >> i'm not sure peter king necessarily republicans all of the republican congress in his -- in what he said there. i will say that the toxicity of the clintons and republican congress goes back so long we talk so much about the narrative
that sort of followed the clintons through their entire public life. they are -- this is familiar territory to them you had james carville saying hey, maybe she hid the e-mails because she didn't want lieuies gopper going through. >> lauren, were you going to say something? >> at some point the republicans have to link that are investigations to what people care about. i think peter king has sort of figured out that's not happening. do people care about benghazi? i think that's fairly unlikely. this is the 45 -- sort of the tea party wing obviously in the house, but there are a lot of republicans who do want to get something done and have a report to stand on in 2016. >> mitch mcconnell said the day after the election we're not going to use this congress to shut down the government and grind things to a halt. we have to achieve something we can run on. the roundtable is staying with us. up next the nasty side of
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for the royals including the heir to the british throne prince charles, there also was, as we noted some serious business. earlier today they went to an armed forces retirement home. he later visited a charter school for immigrant families where they're teaching things like digital literacy. camilla had an opportunity to visit with individuals across the community, cluns a forensic science center where she saw a sexual assault response team. this whab a whirlwind trip. this was 45 years ago that charles made his first trip to the white house then. richard nixon was president, who famous then tried to set the 21-year-old prince up with his 24-year-old daughter trisha. you know how that worked out. tonight, though a bit more business on tap. the royals will head off to an eye vent not far from here where he'll be honored with a conservation award before they head off to louisville, kentucky. >> sounds like a great trip.
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even without methotrexate. ask about xeljanz. we're back. an abundance of twitter users believe they can troll and rant with impunity no matter how debasing or even threatenings the 140-character posts pose. ashley judd said reaction to her recent tweet about a college basketball game was so bad she's taking legal action. to say to the twitter-sphere no more. starbucks attempt to get people talking about race relations unleashed tweets so disturbing
a company executive deleted his twitter account, because he felt 3er78ly attacked. following my own "the washington post" column on ferguson, my twitter feed was awash. made all the more unsettling by praise from the right for folks who usually accuse me of quote, playing the raise card. we're back with our round table. to the three of you, have you ever experienced twitter's toxic side? that's not a rhetorical question. >> is there another side? isn't that what twitter is for? >> who's going to talk about their experience. >> well i haven't had anything that bad happen. >> lucky you. >> but i do bring up race now and again, so you do get. the the anonymity gives people a lot of courage, but i've not had anything really bad happen. >> jonathan i think that twitter is unique in some ways in that it's very hard to
defuse. we've all been experiencing e-mail and other technology people writing really nasty things. my technique was always to write back to the people and come away with them saying, i didn't realize you were a person and thank you for taking the time to write back to me. twitter is the opposite. i've tried that once or twice to engage with the people who do this. it cannot dop anything but get worse. >> the pough foundation is out with a new study today that they surveyed people around the world, developing countries, looking to get internet access and 40% of them said it would be bad for morality to get the internet. and this is why. because of this kind of stuff. [ laughter ] >> i'm almost inclined to agree with this. i do what you do when it comes to e-mail. the nastier the e-mail the more likely i am to respond because they'll realize there's a human being on the other side. here's what ashley judd told msnbc on monday. >> the way things happen on social media is so abusive and
everyone needs to take personal responsibility for what they write and not allowing this miss interpretation and shaming culture on social media to persist. and by the way, i'm pressing charges. >> so paul casey, lauren what's your reaction to ashley judd saying she's going to press charges? >> well good luck. i honestly don't know what the legal theory is you go upon other than abuse of speech, it's hard to do. wasn't there a facebook case where somebody was able to make a case that you had forced somebody to commit suicide, bullying, possibly. it's really hard otherwise. i don't see where she goes. >> she took some really disgusting tweets. i don't blame her for trying to take some action. it reminds me of richard sherman, the seattle seahawks. he took stuff and let it go. but i don't blame her for trying to take some action and pushback on this. >> i think the question, yeah the question too is who's
responsibility is this? and does twitter as a company have a responsibility to do a better job of policing some of this? they've added to the controls and your ability to report abuse, disparaging tweets assaults. there are a wide range of the offensive tweets one could send. but i think we have to ask ourselves that question. obviously it's the responsibility of the tweeter themselves but is twitter contributing to this toxic environment more broadly? >> the tweeters do get involved in this. we had kanye west tweet a series of photos with his wife with no clothes on. he's doing that divert attention from kendrick lamar's album, but celebrities use it too to get attention. and speaking of attention, starbucks got a lot of attention for what it's trying to do. i admire what they were trying to do, the chairman of
starbucks, who was coming at this from a really pure place, but the reaction to what he wants to do in the stores was just, it's incredible. you think they were wrong, naive to try to go down this route? >> keep in mind, starbucks did this with "usa today," so as a member of that family i have to applaud this project. race is a part of every conversation in america whether you know it or not. that's how we define ourselves, to some degree it's in every conversation anyway. it's very hard to start that conversation in the middle of a sidewalk, and say, hey, you're the black guy, you're the white guy, what do you think of that? not sure what they're trying to get out of that. >> i think they should be commended for trying. they're trying to prompt a conversation. i think it's a good thing. it's a hard conversation to have, they're about to learn that but at least they're trying.
>> and think about that really highlights the difference between how we interact with each other when we're elbow to elbow in a starbucks. imagine if this actually sparked a conversation between two customers, how they would approach and talk to each other, versus how this played out on social media with vitriol and nastiness on twitter. i think it just really highlights the problem that we're talking about. >> both problems at the same time. you can have a conversation, you can't have a tweet. >> as long as they've had their coffee. i think one of the reasons with problems with conversation on race, it's a deeply personal conversation that it requires trust and someone you know. you're not going to know the person in the line at starbucks, maybe not that well. >> you never know what conversation you might have. might be better than on twitter. >> thank you, casey, paul and lauren. when we return i've got some thoughts about the ugly side of social media.
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let me finish tonight with this. ashley judd is mad as hell is isn't going to take it anymore. the actress and avid college basketball fan told our colleague thomas roberts the other day that she would seek legal action against those who use twitter to threaten her. the survivor of rape and incest has been catching hell ever since she sent out a tweet during a championship match on sunday a tweet she almost
immediately deleted, but that doesn't stop the avalanche of hate and threats directed at her. in a blunt piece penned today, judd writes online harassers use the slightest excuse or no excuse at all to dismember or personhood. my tweet was simply the convenient delivery system for a rage toward women that lurks perpetually. i'll describe what happened to me. i know of what judd speaks. but i get abused on the issue of race. anyone who dares to say something that defies conventional wisdom also lurks perpetually. after my piece about hands up don't shoot, folks used twitter to dismember my african americanism. others said it because i wanted white people to like me or that i quote, did it for the money. no, i didn't. i did it because it was the right thing to do. and like judd such taunts won't
keep me from speaking my mind but don't worry, i'm not going to sue anyone. but if ashley judd follows through on her litigious threat against her tormenters, i'll be with her 100%. thanks "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> i'm very proud to be the prime minister of all of israel's citizens arabs and jews leak. >> that's not the way it sounded on election day. >> netanyahu backs away from his election-day rhetoric as the white house ratchets up theirs. >> that tactic was a transparent effort to marginalize arab-israeli citizens. as the iran nuclear talks come down to the wire can the president get a deal in spite of formidable opposition. then the brutal arrest of university of virginia student sparked campus-wide protests.