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is experience and go to school and get a job and move on et cetera. thank you both for your time. >> thank you very much ari. >> that's "the last word" for tonight. you can find me on instagram or twitter. and chris hays is up next. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> i'm very proud to be the prime minister of all of israel's citizens, arabs and jews alike. >> that's not the way it sounded on election day. >> netanyahu backs away from his election-day rhetoric as the white house ratchets up theirs. >> that tactic was a transparent effort to marginalize arab-israeli citizens. as the iran nuclear talks come down to the wire, can the president get a deal in spite of formidable opposition. then the brutal arrest of university of virginia student sparked campus-wide protests. plus, what does connecticut's historic marijuana ruling mean for the rest of the country?
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and will tesla's victory in new jersey revolutionize the way americans can buy cars? and obama tried to do what exactly in south carolina? >> obama tried to blow up a nuke in charleston a few months ago. >> welcome to the official launch of 2016 conspiracy theories. >> he's trying to destroy the united states, the congress knows this. >> "all in" starts right now. >> this man is a communist dictator. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. something remarkable happened today. as of tonight, relations between the united states and israel have reached their lowest point in recent perhaps living memory. the white house just announced that president obama called prime minister benjamin netanyahu to congratulate him on winning a plurality of seats. hardly a ringing endorsement. in what had to be an uncomfortable exchange, an official said the president made the same comments in private that his administration made in
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public. those comments have been unsparing. taking netanyahu to task over his racially tinged call to arms against israeli arab voters and in particular over his disavowal of the two-state solution, the pillar of american policy in the middle east for decades. in an exclusive interview today with nbc's andrea mitchell, his first since being re-elected netanyahu attempted to undo some of the damage. >> i haven't changed my policy. i never retracted my speech six years ago, calling for a demilitarized palestinian state that recognizes the jewish state. what has changed is the reality. i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable, peaceful, two-state solution, but for that, circumstances have to change. >> the too little too late. unusually harsh language, white house press secretary today continued to criticize netanyahu's end stage campaign strategy. >> that cynical election day tactic was a pretty transparent effort to marginalize arab
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israeli citizens and their right to participate in their democracy. >> and he denied reports that the administration may stop acting as israel's shield against international pressure. 11 times in the past decade the u.s. has vetoed u.n. security council resolutions on israel. and those days could now be numbers. >> this commitment to a two-state solution has been the bedrock of a lot of u.s. policy toward this region of the world. in terms of making decisions at the united nations and in other multilateral fora, but now the prime minister of israel says earlier this week, days before an election, that this is a principle that he no longer subscribes to, and that his nation no longer subscribes to. that means the united states needs to rethink our approach. >> imagine president obama saying those words, more or less on his phone call with netanyahu. according to a senior white house official, the president said the white house is
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reassessing its options in light of the prime minister's new position. this is brand new territory for u.s./israeli relations. we've never been here before, and it comes as negotiations over a nuclear deal are ticking down to the march 31st deadline, with nothing less than the future of the region at stake. if it happens, a nuclear deal could be the defining foreign policy accomplishment of president obama's administration, one that benjamin netanyahu would stop at almost nothing to block. you know this terrain very well. have we been here before? how long has it been since we've seen the relationship this obviously and publicly stressed? >> i think you go back to the reagan administration and the sale to the saudis of certain weapons systems, or you go back to the george h.w. bush administration, of which i'm intimately familiar, and you go back to the time when we were
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trying to keep the stalis out of the iraq war, we had the madrid conference and so far. but this is a little more strained. and frankly, i'm happy with what the president has done so far. i think you're going to see mr. netanyahu being a lot more circumspect about what he says and does, and that's good. it's good for the relationship. it's good to bring balance back to the relationship. it's time the united states quit being israel's lawyer and became a goodwill negotiator, and it's time that mr. netanyahu stepped back and stayed in his governing role, rather than his iran is an existential threat and we need to derail the agreement role. this is good. >> that is the next plot point in this arc, which is that there's going to be something coming down the pike. today there were some details that were leaked. the state department knocking those down, draft details of the
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possible deal that might be struck. both sides saying no deal yet. unclear whether it's going to get done. were it to happen, then we'll see what? >> that's a good question. i'm still optimistic. a give it a 60/40, but i know there are a couple of things that need to be done yet. and we may not get a framework. we may get an agreement and then work on the framework and the details associated therewith, but i'm discouraged by the fact that the 47 republicans did what they did. i'm discouraged by the fact that senator corker chairman of the foreign relations committee, still wants to put his legislation forth, because it's a deal breaker. and if the 47 republicans and tom cotton in particular haven't convinced mr. corker and people like tim kaine and angus king and other people who might be an opposite force, if that haven't convinced them that my party and intent on disrailing this agreement, i don't know what
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will. we need the democrats to stand behind the president if this agreement is to have any chance at all, if it does come about. >> you're referring to the legislation which would require a congressional vote sign-off on a deal that were to come forward. corker saying he is going to introduce that. the question of whether it can achieve the filibuster now a very open one. can you imagine a different trajectory? basically we're in the situation where you've got these very stern words from the white house towards the netanyahu government. you've got the deal looming. you've got a strategic bilateral alliance between the u.s. and israel that is robust and durable and built on a lot in terms of domestic, political constituencies, and strategic interest, et cetera. can you imagine a new trajectory? are we off on a new path here? >> i think we're off on a slightly new path. it's a path that is an off-ramp, if you will, from the 40 years-plus of failure. and i think it has a positive aspect to it.
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and i'm going to remain optimistic. if we can bring the u.s.-israeli relationship more to a realistic relationship, if we can bring some pressure to bear on the government in tel aviv, if we can get closer and have a more trusting relationship eventually with tehran and not disturb the balance of power in the gulf by doing that, this could be a very positive thing. but those are very complex ifs, and it's going to be difficult to negotiate the terrain associated with them. >> if the deal falls through, if the republicans in congress get their way, if netanyahu gets his way, if the administration walks away because they don't like the terms, or the iranians do, then where are we? >> that's an excellent question. i would suggest some alternative answers there. maybe the chinese and the russians, who are in some respects, the russians particularly, not exactly our friends all the time. if they decide that the
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agreement is fine with them, and maybe even the french and the british and the germans do too, look at the isolated position the united states is in. this is the danger of these republicans, my party, and their action. look at the position we're in. china would probably hedge its own strategy with regard to us in that respect. what would they do? they would probably accept the fact that the united states was isolated and alienated, trade with iran, not support the sanctions regime. others would follow them. certainly moscow, and the united states would be sitting out there with the republicans with their fingers in a place they wouldn't want them. >> thank you, lawrence wilkerson, always a pleasure. the governor of virginia is calling for a special investigation after this man, martese johnson, member of the honor committee at the university of virginia, was left bloody from injuries after being arrested by the alcoholic beverage control agency. stunning video of that arrest is ahead. ouncer ] take zzzquil and sleep like... the kids went to nana's house... for the whole weekend!
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this hour in claireborn county mississippi where the fbi is on the scene of a death of an african american man found hanging in a tree. joy reid joins me by phone with the latest. what do we know? >> i spoke with the state-wide director of the naacp in mississippi, the family is, in fact, in contact with the fbi that's conducting a field investigation. what we know is the gentleman went missing on march 2nd. and his family reported him missing about a week later. this is in claiborne county, a rural area not far from jackson, mississippi. but extremely rural. he was reported missing on march 13th. he was last seen being dropped off by a friend near an area that was near a casino. he was not seen since. and then he was found hanging less than a mile from his house, hanging in a wooded area. so now you have the fbi on the
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scene and trying to figure out the cause of death. the naacp saying that they are being very careful, just allowing the fbi to do what they need to do to conduct this investigation. this gentleman does have a criminal history, his name is otis bird, he's 54 years old. he was incarcerated up until less than a year ago and was released, and this was in a murder case in which he was convicted back in 1980. so he's been free from prison for less than a year. and now we just have -- are awaiting the official cause of his death. >> and we do not know whether this was possibly a suicide or a murder at this moment, am i correct? >> that is the issue, right. so we don't know. i mean, the last time there was a case in mississippi that became, you know, it made a bit of a press flash. it was a case of a person that was found hanged, but that one did turn out to be a suicide. so everyone is being really careful, the family, the naacp,
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they're just allowing the fbi to do their work and figure out what happened. no one's jumping to any conclusions as of yet. the family has just gotten the, i guess minor closure of finding their loved one, knowing where he is, but he is deceased. but the cause of death, i reiterate is not yet known. it's just he was found hanging. whether it was by his own doing or something more nefarious is yet to be determined. >> thank you for that. we'll be right back. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment. how do crest 3d white whitestrips compare to a whitening toothpaste?
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the broody injuries sustained by a student during arrest on two misdemeanor charges of public intoxication and obstruction of justice without force. martese johnson, a member of the honor committee and also a fraternity, was arrested after trying to get into a bar after midnight following st. patrick's day. and this is what he looked like during the arrest. >> i go to uva! i go to uva! >> stop fighting! >> you racist! you [ bleep ] racist! how does this happen? how does this happen! you racist! >> they were just like, we need a picture i.d. >> how did this happen, you [ bleep ] racist! >> according to his lawyer, his head wound required ten stitches. johnson's lawyer offered details of the incident. >> martese presented a valid illinois state identification card issued in 2011. the employees asked him for a zip code and he recited his mother's zip code at her current address which is different from
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the chicago city zip code on the identification card that was printed almost four years ago. virginia officers present on the scene questioned my client about being in possession about false identification. the conversation resulted in my client being thrown to the ground, his head hitting the pavement, the officer's knees pressed into his back, his face and skull bleeding and needing surgery. >> according to the bail document, johnson was agitated and belligerent. but he has no previous criminal history. virginia alcohol beverage control, 100 special agents with police power with regard to liquor laws, refer to their official statement which reads, while monitoring licensed establishments in the city of charlottesville, uniformed special agents arrested a 20-year-old male early on the morning of march 18. the agents observed and approached the individual after he was refused enindustry to a
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licensed establishment. a determination was made by the agents who further detained the individual based on their observations and further questioning. and of course an arrest being made, the individual sustained injuries. the individual received treatment at a local hospital and was released. statement from abc also indicated the agency will provide whatever assistance is required by police investigating the arrest. hundreds of students protested and he appeared at the rally himself calling for calm. >> i want to call on the students out there to share their opinions and share their feelings. so i beg for you guys regardless of your personal opinions to please respect everyone here. we're all a part of one community. >> special agents involved in the arrest have been restricted to administrative duties while the investigation is under way. a criminal investigation is being conducted by local prosecutors. joining me now, jamelle bouie, a staff writer who attended the university of virginia. jamelle, i know you've been in contact with students at your
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alma mater, what's your reaction and what's their reaction? >> my reaction to this is that it immediately reminded me of an incident two years ago involving a student, a woman student at the university of virginia who was arrested by abc officers after purchasing water from a grocery store. they thought it was alcohol. they surrounded her vehicle. they drew guns. it was a very dramatic and dramatically escalated situation. so i look at this and i see something very similar. abc enforcement officers, going far further than is necessary in doing their jobs, i think. as far as students on grounds, and i talked to a few students and faculty, for students, this seems to be emblematic of sort of an atmosphere at the university of virginia, not so much an atmosphere of racial discrimination, but certainly there are racial tensions at the university of virginia.
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the population of african americans at the school has been going down consistently for the past several years, and there's a feeling that the administration, for as much as it says it's committed to diversity, isn't necessarily committed to sort of the maintenance of a healthy community of black students at the university. >> i want to talk about both of those, first of all, just give the context. virginia's a state that very heavily regulates alcohol sales, state liquor stores. i think this idea there are state liquor cops running around is maybe foreign to folks that are not in states that don't have that. how present were they on campus, how accountable are they? did you have run-ins with them? are they known to be roving around downtown charlottesville? >> they're hidden from view. i don't recall ever having an encounter with them. i certainly heard about them. we knew that they existed, but them making these sort of things, i don't necessarily recall.
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part of the problem in terms of accountability, unlike the university police or even the charlottesville police, local agencies and their direct line of communication between the students and those agencies, abc is a state agency, and the abc officers in charlottesville, aren't necessarily accountable to anyone in charlottesville personally. so it kind of -- the lines of the communication just aren't there. and i have to imagine that for charlottesville police, this is a very difficult time as well. because in talking about it this incident, we have a tendency to just say "police." and i have a feeling that charlottesville police are going to be dealing with the fall-out from this, since people don't distinguish between the abc cops and the city cops. >> we saw some protesters, obviously a very diverse group of protesters, students, black, white, latino, and other, all gathering.
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but, you know, there's been a marked decline in african american enrollment in the university of virginia. that is the background context against this taking place. what is going on there? >> it's sort of hard to know. one thing that might be happening is that in the past couple of years, universities sort of pulled back on its scholarship program for low-income and working-class students. so if you think that african american students are going to belong to those categories, pulling back is going to result in some decline. but the decline has been so sharp. and sort of just to illustrate it, when i graduated from there in 2009, enrollment at the school of african americans was around 9%. now it's somewhere closer to 5%. that's such a steep decline that i'm not entirely sure what's behind it. >> that is really dramatic. 4% is almost a 50% decline. jamelle bouie, thank you. >> thank you. tesla, the revolutionary
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you independently owned and protected by state laws that prevent auto manufacturers from selling directly to customers. tesla doesn't want a dealer, wants to sell its cars to you, the consumer, through show rooms it owns. this is an approach that makes sense to most americans. >> the percentage of people in favor of allowing tesla to do direct sales varies from a low of 86% to 99. so clearly if democracy was working properly and the legislators were implementing the will of the people, something else would be happening. >> state by state, tesla has been waging this battle for the right to sell cars directly. about a year ago, they lost a big battle in new jersey when the motor vehicle commission under governor chris christie blocked tesla sales after local car dealers argued the system protects consumers.
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musk responded to that, if you believe this, governor christie has a bridge closure he wants to sell you. unless they're referring to the mafia version of protection, this is obviously untrue. now tesla has won. yesterday christie signed a bill allowing the company to sell its cars to consumers in up to four new jersey locations. while musk was celebrating, new jersey car dealers were outraged with their trade association saying the tesla factory store model creates a monopoly and steers money and jobs out of new jersey and into silicon valley. joining me, diarmuid o'connell, tesla's vice president of business development. mr. o'connell, how did you get the job done? how did you win? >> well, you know, it's an interesting story, but i should probably add a little context here. you characterize this as a story of our survival. the truth is, that we've been largely successful in opening up
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stores around the country. the truth is, in most states, this is non-controversial. there's a small, maybe, handful of states where manufacturers are clearly prohibited from selling. and in a lot of those states, there are actions in the legislatures to open up those states, so that a manufacturer such as tesla, who's never had franchise dealerships can sell directly. new jersey was an interesting case, we had stores open, a regulatory action was taken to suspend or pull back those licenses, so we engaged in a year-long advocacy campaign in the legislature, with the public, which bore fruit ultimately yesterday when the governor signed a bill which had been passed unanimously in the new jersey assembly and overwhelmingly in the new jersey senate. so we're open for business and that's really the punchline. we're open for business in new jersey selling cars again, and we're really pleased about it. >> you've been blocked, i know
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the biggest states you've had trouble with are arizona and texas, is the biggest one if i'm not mistaken where you still have these rules prohibiting direct sales, right? >> that's correct. it's just as i said, a handful of states. texas is the most prominent among them. texas is, of course, a big market. so we're interested in moving the needle there, and we're engaged in -- i'll characterize it as a debate in the legislature down there right now. the texas legislature meets for the first part of the year every two years and that debate is under way right now. >> texas loves freedom, although it's also the home of buddy garrity, so cross pressure there. do you think this is going to change the industry more than tesla? i mean, the fear the dealers have is that, okay, you guys want to sell your electric car yourself for your own weird, idiosyncratic reasons, but this is just the camel's nose under the tent that will destroy the whole dealership system.
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>> they aren't weird reasons. we're doing this because it's fundamental to the mission of the company. we're trying to launch a novel technology and our stores are education centers. we're trying to bring people along to help them understand the technology. it's a very education-intensive process. it takes place over multiple hours and multiple visits and the existing third-party dealer model doesn't support that, that's model about making sales every 20 minutes and moving them. but as regards where we are in the debate and where we are in certain places like texas, fundamentally, this is a free market issue, and really consumer-choice issue. while it's true that for historical reasons cars have overwhelmingly been sold through third-parties, through dealers since the 1920s or '30s, that things have changed.
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people are buying very substantial products directly from manufacturers across our economy. these dealer distribution monopolies, whether enshrined in law or practice, are really anomalous. in every other industry you have manufacturers selling to consumers and also to third-parties, to retailers and franchise dealerships or franchise stores. and so it's really the fact -- as i said, it's exceptional that this is still the case that you have these horizontal monopolies, distribution monopolies in the dealership world. but i understand the instinct of the dealers in these states. it's a very good business. it's a protected business. and any businessman who enjoys those sorts of advantages would be within their rights to protect it. >> diarmuid o'connell, vice president of business development at tesla, thank you very much. it's throwback thursday and
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erasure should be denied. connecticut is one of several states with some sort of liberalized marijuana policy on the books. 23 states allow marijuana for medicinal purpose. 18 states have decriminalized possession of varying amounts. four states, and washington, d.c. have legalized the recreational use of pot. between 2001 and 2010, someone was arrested for marijuana every 37 seconds in this country. what's taking place in connecticut could open the door for millions of americans to erase their marijuana convictions. joeng me now is the connecticut governor. governor, my understanding is, you are glad the court did what it did? >> i am. i think it's the right thing. we've had a long and storied fight with respect to drug usage and i think in most cases we've used the wrong tools. i think it ended up with a lot of folks having convictions and therefore, in some sense their lives has been made difficult with respect to housing or education or jobs.
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when we decriminalized marijuana, it led to 6,000 fewer arrests per year. that's 6,000 fewer lives that are perhaps thrown into some sort of chaos as a result of those arrests and in many cases, ultimately leading to convictions which really cause chaos. >> you were first elected governor in 2010, and you had a very ambitious agenda in that first term, did a lot of stuff. and people fought you, you had a tough re-election that you won in 2014. where was this in the scale of items on your agenda that created backlash and opposition? or was this something that people shrugged their shoulders and said, yeah, this makes sense? >> no, there was a fair amount of backlash on this issue. >> you're like, don't get me wrong, chris, they fought me. >> yeah, well, it was funny. i was told to make a choice.
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because i wanted to make medical marijuana legal and i wanted to decriminalize marijuana and then i was basically told by even my supporters in both regards that i had to make a choice, it had to be one or the other. and i said, well, let's go with decriminalization, because i understood the adverse impact this was having on many people's lives, and this whole idea of conviction of a crime can be very detrimental, particularly with a behavior that is somewhat ubiquitous, a lot of experimentation in the very least. i'm not talking about people who are selling drugs. i'm talking about people who at some point in their lives may have tried marijuana and ended up with an arrest and i'm trying to prevent people from having criminal backgrounds if they don't have to. >> it does appear that support for the policy has increased. last year, 52%, last week, up to 63% in favor. there's a lot happening on this
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issue in which the states really are the laboratories. and i wonder what you think, as a governor, someone who had this policy change in your state, as you look towards what's happening in places like washington and colorado. >> well, i want to draw the line there. i'm not advocating a legalization of marijuana. i've drawn the line where i thought it's appropriate. it should be decriminalized with respect to possession. obviously sales should be treated differently under that definition. i also think that making medical marijuana available for treatment is very important, and we now have that law in the state of connecticut. i'm not sure we have to throw out more things that can cause difficulty in people's lives and by, quote/unquote, making them legal and allowing for easier sale, perhaps cause more people to use the substance, which quite frankly, i don't think is good for people, except under certain circumstances. >> are you persuadable on that?
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i guess my question is, we're doing this very rare thing, where we're conducting these live, realtime experiments, you have states taking a radical policy departure, and i wonder whether you and other fellow governors and legislators are thinking about this in an empirical sense of what happens in colorado and washington? >> i suppose you never say never, right? but the early work doesn't convince me yet, and i'm not convinced, based on everything i'm seeing and hearing and i don't think states should be going down this road simply for the tax revenue. i think that's the wrong idea, wrong headedness. on the other hand, i have a very aggressive program for recreation of a second chance at society. in connecticut, we tripled our prison population between 1985 and 2008. and it really was not in our best interest, i think, in many ways. we ended up with many, many people having, not only a
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criminal record and a felony record, but being incarcerated, which makes education, housing and employment almost impossible or very difficult to accomplish. and i'm arguing that we need to treat, for instance, other possessions of drugs as a misdemeanor, as opposed to a felony. i think we need to untie the hands of judges and let them decide what the best treatment for someone in those circumstances is. >> governor dannel malloy, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. pop some popcorn, because i'll be doing some right wing mist busting ahead. plus one of the best moments from march madness. all that is next. you've got to make every second count. banking designed for the way you live your life. so you can welcome your family home...
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okay, so yesterday we played an exchange between rick santorum and a woman named virginia who was at an event in south carolina in which this woman asked rick santorum a rather rambling question that involved a few factual assertions that were pretty intense. take a listen. >> i don't think the country will be around for the next election. obama tried to blow up a nuke in charleston a few months ago. and the admirals and generals, he's total hi destroyed our military. he's fired all the generals and admirals that said they wouldn't fire on the american people if you asked him to do so, if he wanted to take the guns away from them. he's a communist dictator. we need him out of the white house now. >> rick santorum went on to answer the question and express his offense that he was called a member of congress.
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that's what he found most offensive about the question. but after i listened to that the sixth, seventh time, it occurred to me, that maybe in my rush to hold up virginia as representative of some broadly paranoid tendency in the right-wing base, i had missed a pretty big story. take another listen. >> i don't think the country will be around for the next election. obama tried to blow up a nuke in charleston a few months ago. >> this was news to me. seemed like something we should run to ground. so we looked into it today. it's not the first time that someone at a town hall conservative event has asserted things about the president or about what the government's up to that don't really stand when you first hear them. take a listen. >> why are you people ignoring -- his birth certificate. [ cheers and applause ] he's not an american citizen. he's a citizen of kenya.
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>> i'm getting long in years. would you awe dress the -- address the death payablenels we're going to have? >> i never refer to obama as president. he is an avowed muslim. >> why do you continue to support a nazi policy, as obama has expressly supported this policy? >> so, you get a lot of that. and there's a lot more. i mean, if you go onto the internet, you can find some pretty intense theories about what the president's up to. i remember being an expert on these in 2008 and 2012. we want to check in on the 2016 "blow up a nuke in charleston" vintage. we're going to do that right after this break.
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this crest toothpaste is superior in five areas. great checkup. i can't trust obama. i have read about him, and he's not, he's not -- he's an arab. he is not. no? >> no, ma'am, no, ma'am. he's a decent family man citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. and that's what this campaign is all about. he is not. thank you. thank you. >> john mccain famously if slightly off topically dispatched with one ill informed supporter at a town hall in the closing weeks of the 2008 presidential campaign. that's not always the way our elected leaders treat the purveyors of conspiracy theories. i think we can expect a whole new bunch of stories from the e-mail forward fringes. joining me now to reflect on
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that old and new msnbc contributor sam seder, and reporter of bloomberg politics in new hampshire where today he was covering donald trump. let's start with a pretty important fact check. dave weigel did barack obama try to blow up a nuke in charleston? >> he did not. as realistic as it sounds, this goes back to a rumor that started on alex jones' site and a bunch of conspiracy-minded websites based on what seems to be kind of a fabricated russian intelligence report. and the theory went that obama tried to start a false flag attack, ended up detonating a nuke. they called it an earthquake and he fired generals to cover it up. the generals were fired, but for other reasons. the nuke did not blow up. that's not the sort of thing people miss. a birth certificate might get lost in a filing cabinet. a nuke will not. >> well the sort of telephonesque nature in which a
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foreign report that takes some germ of actual truth which is generals fired because the oversight of the nuclear program has been a disaster and morph that into something that gets passed along that you the end up with barack obama tried to detonate a nuke. are there any other sort of 2016 theories like this that you're hearing out on the trail? >> it's early days yet, but i've heard some of this at town halls. you mentioned i was at a town hall with donald trump. there was a man who noticed i was reporter and wanted to convince me afterward that michelle obama was born a man. that's been going around. i was in south carolina a few weeks ago and i had heard that there are training camps for isis soldiers in the united states that barack obama refuses to shut down. and the first person to mention this was talking to me. he wanted to ask donald trump that question. as a reporter i'm devastated that he didn't get a chance to ask donald trump that question on camera.
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>> i but i feel like we're still feeling how these conspiracies will flower in a post-obama era. they were for hillary, but we'll see after hillary. >> what do you expect as we move towards town hall season? >> well, i'm going to just take weigel at face value and assume he is telling the truth. >> maybe he is in on it. maybe it's a false flag by weigel. >> it's sort of impossible to know on some level. i'm sure there's going to be a lot of benghazi stuff that comes out. >> yep. >> at one point it's going to shift to hillary clinton. >> that's right. when do we start seeing the pivot. that's going to be an important moment in the sort of collective subconscious of the conservative base. >> i'm not convinced that a lot of this isn't -- for instance louie gohmert the other day was talking about how president obama refused to help nigeria deal with boko haram. >> i want to play that sound. good stuff. here's louie gohmert talking about why we won't aid nigeria
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apparently. >> it was reported from nigeria that this administration said, unless you change your law to allow same-sex marriage, then we're not going to help you against the radical islamist boko haram, which is killing christians, having young girls raped and sold into sex slavery. i mean, it's incredible the way this administration is turning its back on christians and jews around the world. >> i mean, the question s how does he pivot this to hillary clinton was secretary of state, this is our foreign policy, or maybe they just full stop and just sort of take a left or right turn and they just start with something new. >> the other thing is, there's this great body to draw on with hillary clinton. so i went to today, which is this amazing internet site that does debunking. and let me just say, it's not limited. there are lots of conspiracy theories across the spectrum.
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i believe they have a particular virulence on the right. but at the top of snopes which orders its debunking on what is around, there was a story about how hillary clinton refused to meet with the mothers of people who -- soldiers who died. gold star moms. right? that is a story that i wrote about when i wrote a cover story for the nation about right-wing e-mail forwards in october 2007. eight years ago i wrote about that and it was based on an incident that happened in 2001. so there's so much hillary stuff that you can bring it back out of the attic and passing around. that doesn't even -- forget all the benghazi stuff. you can go decades back. we'll be talking about the rose law firm before all this is over. >> that's definitely going to color the way that more responsible republicans talk about the clintons. i feel trey gowdy is in the position he's in running the
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select committee because the republicans are confident he wouldn't do anything like that. they remember when dan burton ran the oversight committee in the '90s how the clinton scandals were taken away from them. the clinton operation is very good at emphasizing the craziness that can bubble up on the right. but i should say, it's not like i do deep investigative reporting showing up things on what is popping up online. these stories are not stoked by media matters or correct the record or the clinton network. i'll notice sometimes because they were shared 50,000 times on facebook or tweeted 20,000 times. or a human being mentions them at a town hall. >> that's the key point. these are out there, getting around always. >> they go around through e-mails chains, probably when the gold star moms thing started and frankly there's also sort of -- there are people out there monetizing this stuff. i'm surprised dick morris didn't pick up to the south carolina thing and say here's the secret, if you own real estate in north carolina. it will all be coastal or something. >> right.
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that kind of paranoid mode is monetizable. >> good evening, chris, thank you my friends. "rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> thank you, chris. thanks to those at home for joining us this hour. can you hear that in the distance? can you hear your uncle who just listens to talk radio all day and thinks president obama is a muslim, but he can't spell muslim? can you hear your uncle who just listened to that segment with chris hayes and sam cedar and sam weigel and was wait a minute, they didn't disprove the nuclear weapon in charleston thing. can you hear in the distance your beloved angry uncle getting really really upset about hillary clinton right now? if you sense the rising blood pressure of your uncle and a thousand right wing conspiracy theorists right now, it's not only because of that last segment on chris hayes' show. it's because hilla


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