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he fact that that is the only news segment in the history of news segments where the word moist was the least gross world. >> i love that the nonwoven acrylics industry has a lobby. >> yes, and their lobbyist is really embarrassed about it. >> amazing stuff. thank you for joining us there at home. we have a big show tonight. three years ago tomorrow on march 27th, 2012, jet blue flight 191 was heading west to las vegas. about three hours into that new york to las vegas flight things well very, very wrong in the cockpit of that plane. >> visually you could tell that he was agitated and acting peculiar.
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very rapid head movements, dry mouth, foaming at the mouth. >> the captain started eradically pushed buttons and started flying the plane. >> he was out of his mind. screaming and saying to the passengers say your prayers, say your prayers. five to six passengers quickly restrained him with seat belts and held him to the floor. >> jet blue 191 emergency. we're going to need authorities and medical to meet us at the airplane. >> meanwhile the restrained captain was talking about israel, iraq, and iran. >> they're going to take us down, take us down, and he said
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everybody say the lord's prayer, just say the lord's prayer, they're going to take us down. >> this pilot was treated as any other passenger who is disruptive and who may need to be restrained. >> and the way they restrained the captain on that flight when he was going nuts is they locked him out of the cockpit on that jet blue plane. that happened three years ago. long after the new post 911 rules saying that the cockpit door be bullet proof. the passengers on that plane were able to grab, tackle, and tie up the pilot while he was having a psychotic episode. the only way the passengers were able to get to him and do that is because the pilot left the cockpit on his own nutty
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volition, or the co-pilot had his wits about him. whereupon the lockable door of that cockpit meant they could keep that psychotic guy out and keep him from getting back in to control the plane. last year in february, february 2014, it was ethiopian airlines. it left the capital of ethiopia going for italy. once it was at cruising altitude, the pilot left to go to the bathroom and the co-pilot locked the pilot out. i don't know if the passengers knew what was going on at this point. but what the ethiopian airlines co-pilot did was he kept steering that plane toward europe, but not toward italy.
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he flew that plane to switzerland instead and started circling the airport at gineva. the co-pilot who wanted asylum did safely land the lane in switzerland. once that plane was on the tarmac, he put a rope out the cockpit window and he was caught. that was not a plane crash, but had that pilot not been able to lock that cockpit door in this post 9/11 reinforced cockpit door, he would not have been able to pull off that hijacking. the one that is frightening similar what to what just
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happened with the crash in the french alps that basically reads like a dress rehearsal was a flight that happened in 2013 in southern africa. the lane was flying east to west across the african continent. it was clear weather. the plane was safe at cruising altitude. there was to pilots, a first officer, in this incident, the first officer, the co-pilot got up and left the cockpit to go to the bathroom. once the co-pilot left the cockpit and the door locked and closed, the pilot decided to deliberately crashed that plane. that homicidal pilot killed himself and everybody on that plane. but from that terrible wreckage, they were able to uncover the
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voice recorder. and what they heard when they recovered it was the sound moments before that crash, of somebody pounding and pounding and pounding on that cockpit door trying to get back in. but it was unsuccessful. that cockpit door was impenetrable. post 9/11 safety standards, right? once that door locks, nobody is getting in. that new standard, locked cockpit doors, bullet proof, force proof doors, that standard has been used on commercial aircraft since 9/11 has been used for good an for bad. on the jet blue it was a very good thing there. he was apparently fine when he
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first got into the cockpit. something went wrong when he was in there. the co-pilot noticed and was able to get him out long enough to lock him out. the door was very helpful there. in the ethiopian incident, that locked door is how the co-pilot was able to hijack it. and that locked door is how the homicidal pilot was able to wreck that plane. and now french authorities say they believe it was the deliberate actions of the co-pilot that steered that paper into the mountain said, and it was that locked door that prevented the captain of that aircraft from getting in and interrupting that plan and saving the plane. we were told last night that in the closing moments of the cockpit voice recording before the crash, you could hear system
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knocking, knocking more insistently, and then trying to pound the door down. we were told that last night. what french investigators announced today is that in addition to that noise of the pilot trying to get back in, in addition to that noise, in the very last instant, you could hear the passengers on that aircraft screaming as they realized what consequences were of this drama at the front of the cabin. the drama they could see happening at the cockpit door as they realize the consequences for them as that speeding plane was going into the mountains. planes do not crash often. in the last ten yearsing with worldwide for civilian airliners carrying 20 or more people, the total number of crashes has ranged between five and 15 per year. but when planes crash, not
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because of mechanical failure, weather, accidental pilot error of some kind, they crash because a pilot has become a mass murderer, there is no technological panacea. the double reinforced bullet proof doors were designed to stop a 9/11 style attack again. it was designed to stop hi jackers coming forward. since they were strengthenned, in some instances, the reinforced doors have enabled threats to passenger planes because they emanated not from the passenger compartment but from the forward side of that cockpit door. but before we ever had the reinforced doors, before we had the post 9/11 standards, we still had flesh and blood
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malfunctions before. we still had pilots as the prop. we still had pilot suicide/homicide. pilot suicide/homicide that they were able to to pull off. the ja pap aarons flight where he canceled the auto pilot and steered the plane into a steep decent, the co-pilot was there, on that flight, trying to rescue the plane after it started diving. he could not pull the plane up in time and that crash killed 24 people. in 1994, it was morocco. the pilot steered that plane into the atlas mountains. there is a co-pilot there as well, she wasn't enough to stop that apparently dlib rally caused crash and had 4 deaths. indonesia, was silk air.
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the first officer believed to have left the flight deck when the pilot believed to steer that plane into a steep decent. there is no locked door to keep that first officer from getting back in to try to rescue that plane and the 104 people on board, but what pilot had done was enough. it was an irretrievable dive even though someone else was there trying not to do the same thing. the most famous one of these is the only apparent pilot enduced mass murder. it happened on hollow wean night in 1999. 30 minutes from take off, the pilot got up to go to the bathroom. they put the plane into a nose dive and shut down the engines.
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this was 1999. the pilot went to the bathroom and came back into the cockpit. the first officer that put the plane into this dive said i rely on god, i rely on god, i rely on god over and over and over again. and the pilot you can hear him is screaming at the first officer what is happening. what is this? did you shut the engines? get away. you can hear a frantic fight that goes in for a surprising long time between them trying to rescue the plane and the co-pilot trying to crash it. and the co-pilot appears to be deliberately trying to crash the plane. i rely on god, i rely on god, and the co-pilot is trying to save the plane.
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the plane finally breaks up in the air just off of nantucket and all 217 people on board die. over the last 20 years, 24 pilots are believed to have dlib -- deliberately killed themselves while flying planes. pilots are some of the few people on earth that we give the opportunity that if they want to commit mass murder, or carry out a lone wolf terrorist attack, to a degree greater to most over people only earth, they can take huge numbers of people with them. and what we know about this germanwings plane, we will now
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inevitably search for a fix to stop this from happening ever again. maybe there will be one. what caused this in the first place is not a technological foul. it was a failure of flesh and blood. this was a technologically enabled crash.
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no american pilot flying an american passenger aircraft has ever succeeded in a plot to commit suicide and kill all of his or her passengers by deliberately crashing the aircraft. that's not to say that some have not tried unsuccessfully, or that foreign pilots have been
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able to do it over american soil, but no u.s. pilot has carried out a mass murder suicide with a u.s. plane in the way french investigators say they believe that germanwings flight 2525 was done. should we take effort in that? is it luck or something else? would it be hard tore do what just happened in the french alps. compares with european carriers, they do not conduct stricter physicals of pilots. there is no formal psych evaluation. there is also the issue of air marshalls that people have been talking about today.
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again, not really a solid different. in the u.s. there are a few thousand air marshalls disbursed between tens of thousands of flights a day. the parent company of the plane that crashed is one that has been using air marshals. there are two areas where the rules diverge. the first one is about flight time. under relatively recent new u.s. rules approved by the faa, the co-pilot would not have been allowed to be a co-pilot because he didn't have enough hours. this young co-pilot had only 630 hours of flight time under his belt.
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the u.s. rule is 1500 flight hours. that means this co-pilot would not have qualified to be a co-pilot before the rule change, but not now. would that have made a difference in this case? there is no way to tell. retrospectively, maybe if this young man was disturbed it would have made a different with hundreds of more hours of training?
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we just don't know. there is one other area as well where u.s. rules are tougher than europe. it is the faa rule requiring that two people have to be in the cockpit at all times. in europe, they can be alone if someone has to leave to go to the bathroom or anything. on u.s. carriers, someone else has to enter the cockpit to be with the pilot. again, obviously we'll never know, these things don't operate in retrospect. and today many carriers announced they will begin using that rule. joining me now is catherine higgins.
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thank you for being here. >> happy to be here, thank you, why does the u.s. have this rule of two? >> this is one of the changes made after 9/11. when it was decided, and it makes enormous sense, is that to try and create another layer of safety. if a pilot or co-pilot leaves attendant goes in, not as i was told to baby sit, but to be there when the pilot or co-pilot knocks on the door. and there is a peephole they can look through and confirm that in fact it is the person supposed to be in the cockpit to unlock the door. simple human way to address the
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safety issue. clearly it would have made a big difference in this accident. >> in terms of the locked door and the protocols, we all watched the air bus safety videos, the overrides, what way there might be around keeping the good guys out and a bad guy from getting in. when the change was made, was a bad actor pilot discussed as something there should be work arounds for that might be a potential consequence for making that door change. >> i think since the rules were made and the doors have been locked they thought of this kind of scenario, but there was a push to harden the doors to prevent another 9/11. and that change was made very, very quickly.
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so i think it was done with the best of intentions based on what we knew at the time, what we could expect at the time. but again, there are unintended consequences and this is one of them. as we look at coming out of this accident, what other changes might be made, we need to make sure there are not unintended consequences. >> i was trying to make a point about how similar rules and regulations are. there are a few interesting points and it has been interesting to see so many european carriers will align
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with what is thought to be the stricter safety standards. but i wonder why there is not more alignment, even more alignment between u.s. and european or u.s. and globe regulations, should there be a more global approach to this? >> i think there should be one level of safety and we have one in the manufacture and certification of aircraft. they value to be certified and meet the standards. the french have a regulator as do other countries. we have incredibly safe aircraft like the a-320. we don't have that level of safe if i for some other procedures. we an international body that is the internation in a aviation certification organization. they provide guidelines. in some cases they provide rules, but they're not always enforced.
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>> that is fascinating. we have essentially a global safety standard in terms of physical equipment but not enforcement or protocols. >> yes, in turms of -- terms of training. thank you for helping us understand. good to have you here. lots more ahead including hey, a new war. richard engel is going to join us live. you're a better you all day. tylenol®.
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many of our nation's largest city smelled like smoke including our officers after a rather large explosion in the east village. the fire spread to the building next door. that fire became a seven alarm blaze before both buildings partially collapsed. the blast and fire appears to be caused by work done to one of the buildings natural gas lines. they failed a meter investigation. they managed to evacuate safely before the buildings caught fire in the way they did. 12 people were injured in that exlotion, three of those people were injured critically. very scary stuff on a block that
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i happen to know and love. scarey stuff. cartoon, time. that people think i'm a big deal. and boy, are they right. ladies, i can share hundreds in savings with all of you! just visit today. but right now, it's choosing time. ooh! we have a winner. all: what? [chuckles] he's supposed to pick one of us. this is a joke, right? that was the whole point of us being here.
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cartoon, time. this is a political cartoon that the u.s. military just reportedly dropped from the air by the tens of thousands. the sign up there in the upper left hand side says isis recruiting office. there is a big line of
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recruiting, young, dark haired guys. on the right side, that is a sign that says "now serving number 6001." and this guy looks scared, he just dropped the ticket in his hand that says number 6001. now that he is in the front of the line and his number has been called, these guys, these monsters, are about to grab that guy from the front of the line, and they're going to feed him headfirst into this meat grinder that says isis on the side of it. they're going to turn him into a bloody pulp. not exactly subtle. but this bloody warning, don't join isis unless you want to be chewed up in their meatgrinder, this warning has been dropped over the isis held city raqqa in
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syria. this is apparently one way we're fighting against isis now. high quality cartoon propaganda. u.s. war planes also participated in air strikes against the city of tikrit. and the u.s. is bombing in tikrit because of an operation there being led by iran's evolutionary guard. given our relationship with iran, but american forces participating alongside iran in the same battle, that is more disdance than able to explain. the iranian side insitting that
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the shiite fighters stepped back in protest of the u.s. planes starting to bomb there. that is how the iranians are explaining it. the u.s. says we made it a condition of our agreement to bomb there that the shiite militias have to step back. either way, it is just saving face. the militias may have paused for whatever reason on the ground while u.s. bombers took over part of that fight, but the fight is the same fight. bottom line is that in tikrit directly b the u.s. is helping
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iran and sirn helping us in the fight against isis. and just to make it all of the more discomforting, while we're fighting with iran, we're also now supporting a whole new war against iranian interests in the nation of yemen. the shiite rebels that appear to be taking over that country, those rebels are supported by iran. saudi arabia started bombing those rebels last night. it is uncomfortable to say that saudi arabia usually likes the u.s. to fight their battles for them. this time it is the saudis. 150 planes. they're suggests that after the bombing mission, they're suggesting that the troops may move in and it may not be just
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saudi troops moving in, but also egyptian troops invading yemen as well. the saudis, for what it's worth, they announced the start of this war in washington last night. the u.s. government said so far that the u.s. is not directly participating in the bombing raids in the sense that it is not u.s. pilots dropping bombs, but the white house says the u.s. is actively involved in the fight by providing intelligence and logistical support. how big is this new war. how involved are we. will the war against al qaeda that special forces have been waging going to be restarted? and they say they have mobilized nine other countries to join them in this car. effectively, if not officially,
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this is a war against iran. how is this going to go, how big will it get and how entrenched will we be in it. joining me now is richard engle. thank you for being here. >> it is good to be with you. potentially the most explosive. this could escalate very quickly when you so many troops mobilized by saudi arab ya. you have the new lib run by the military that wants to flexion it's muscles and egypt announced it wants to lead a new effectively arab army.
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so we are at a real inflection point in the middle east, and i think we could see a lot of changing and volatile dynamics in yemen. it is even weirder than you were describing. it is more concoluded. the u.s. is helping this mission in tikrit being backed by the militias. and the militias say they will back the operation. that is in iraq. in syria, the u.s. is fighting against iran and is an enemy of iran which supports hezbollah and the government of bashar al
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assad. in syria the u.s. is also fighting with iran against isis. it is even confusing for me. in iraq we're fighting with iran. in syria we're fighting both with and against iran. and in yemen, now we're backing saudi arabia, egypt, and this other coalition. we say we're not going to get deeply involved, we'll just insist with some intelligence while at the same time huge negotiations, profoundly important negotiations on the way in switzerland with iran. >> it's clear. i see a path in front of us that
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is totally clear. >> let me ask you a dumb question. obviously the united states is the largest military on earth. everyone has been worried that we're stretched too thin. is iran stretched a little thing right now? right now they're fighting actively in iraq, actively in syria, pretty actively in yemen, and maybe even more than that plus they're iran and they have to worry about the militia they maintain in lebanon and -- aren't they a little stretched thin here. >> some people say no. many military analysts say they're not really stretched thin. they see this has a strategic conflict. it's not like their fighting a war in afghanistan thousands and thousands of miles away in a mountainous landlocked country that needs fuel right in by contract companies. iran in many ways wanted to draw
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saudi arabia to get drawn in. iran is trying to rearrange the map of the middle east right now. it is taking more territory and securing better alliances in iran. it is taking more testify tire and securing alliances in syria. both places there it looks like it is winning and spreading influence rapidly in yemen. if you look at iran and their sphere of influence, it is growing. and that is not necessarily stretching itself too thin by maintaining bases in iraq for a decade or afghanistan for a decade in a modern militarized fashion. >> i feel like this is page one of a 300 page book that we need
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to read together to understand. thank you, richard. great to see you, man. up next, the mystical but discreet hotness of stenographers.
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muppets are obviously perfect in every way. but for the most part they cannot flexion their faces in complicated ways. that is not a problem, it just means one of the things they have gifted to us as a civilization is the muppet smile. do we have kermit doing the muppet smile? no, elmo, same thing. it just involves opening your mouth.
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that's how you can tell a muppet is happy. last week one american governor was so excited on camera. so excited to do something for her state, she did the muppet smile as well. watch. she is very happy and she is very happy at an occasion from her state. what everybody is happen about here, what caused kate brown to do the muppet smile, is making oregon the first state in the nation where every is registered to vote automatically. the department of motor vehicles knows your address, whether you're registered to vote, oregon became the first state in the country where you're just automatically enrolled to vote in the state. you can opt out, but if you don't, they just register you by default. it is expected to add hundreds of thousands of people to the
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voter rolls in oregon. they're the only state in the country doing this as of now. i challenge every other state in this nation to examine their policies and find ways to ensure that there are as few barriers as possible in the way of a citizen's right to vote. now the next first state is answering oregon's challenge saying they want to be the next to automatically register everyone to vote, and that state is california. if the government knows who is here, who is 18, who is a citizen, why go through the hoops. let's register folks automatically. it was a big deal in oregon hence the cake in the shape of the bill. it will mean adding a few
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hundred thousand people to the voter roles in oregon. in california it would had something more like 7 million people to the voting rolls. so far it is just a proposal but the secretary of state is behind it. california is a blue state and maybe we're starting to enter an era in which blue states get lots more people voting than the people who vote in the red states. maybe that has finally started. one thing to watch is red states going in the opposite direction. scott walker just sent out this fundraising pitch asking people to send him money. the department of motor
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vehicles, think about it, they governor scott walker just sent out this fund-raising pitch asking people to send him money to celebrate the law that's going to be allowed to go forward in his state expected to block about 300,000 people in wisconsin from voting because of a super strict new voter i.d. requirement. we're going to disenfranchise about 300,000 eligible wisconsin voters. let's celebrate. send me your money. that's one thing to watch in terms of how that goes over in his presidential campaign. he just sent out that fund-raising appeal. but also watch this. in the great crucial swing state of ohio, the legislature is passing a bill that would tell every college kid in the state who is legally allowed to vote in ohio, it would tell all those college students that they cannot register to vote unless they register their car and get a ohio driver's license, which costs a ton of money. you want to vote, you probably democratically named voter, then pay up. ohio democrats are railing against this thing, calling on john kasich to line item veto this restriction. given his record with voting rights, he probably will not veto it.
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while this poll tax is headed to john kasich's desk, where he has been this week is not in ohio. try new hampshire. because presumably he too is considering running for president. red states have been going like this for a while now. this year what's different is red state governors will be testing the attractiveness on voting as a lot of them run for president. the other difference this year is that this year there's timely a counterexample of how to handle voting rights from the blue states, where democrats are timely putting the rubber to the road on making it more convenient for more people to vote in this country. that goes on clear for no white marks. new secret outlast clear gel.
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so a moment ago i mentioned the discrete and subtle and lovely hotness of stenographers. what we're talking about tonight is the combination of stenography and basketball. not two things as you think of as going together. but you'll see how they fit together and you'll be very interested as to why the story is great, and it is next. d
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so we do a thing on this
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show called now here is a thing, based on some things are just so amazing you need to see them. you may know there's a huge college basketball tournament going on right now. part of the joy of that tournament is that it's college, not the pros. so for the most part, you're getting watch these college kids perform on the biggest stage of their lives. that sometimes extends beyond the court. like say to the postgame press conferences where they come face-to-face with the crush of tv cameras and reporters. the moment you may have seen from one of these press conferences today was this admittedly amazing moment involving players from the university of wisconsin basketball team. watch. >> nigel, is there anything you would like to say to our stenographers to tip things off. >> synergy. >> do you have it? >> check out her -- >> gosh, she's beautiful. [ laughter ]
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did you hear that? >> i heard that. >> all right. so we'll open it up to questions. >> little freeze frame. his teammates are like, dude. i have to say, i'm not convinced this was a hot mike accident by that young man, nigel hayes. it's being billed as basketball player embarrasses himself. to me it feels like a flawlessly executed pickup line, i don't know. either way, undoubtedly amazing. but this is better. you might have heard at the top of that clip, that came wisconsin player said the word syzygy. they're slightly obsessed with the stenographer. after their win on friday night, those three wisconsin players you just saw made a special trip to track down the stenographer to figure out how stenography works and how she's managed to write down everything she's been saying at these press conferences.
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>> the wisconsin basketball teams have become obsessed with the stenographer to the point where they've begun doing things like this in their postgame press conferences. >> before i answer that question, i would like to say a few words. cattywampus, onomatopoeia, antidisestablishmentarianism. the young lady over there is a stenographer and maybe if i said soliloquy right now, she may have to work harder to type that right now.
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that makes her job interesting. >> that fascination with messing with the stenography explains why syzygy was the greatest clip in college basketball in the last 4 hours. a prez conference at the beginning of a college basketball press drchs. >> good morning. right now on "first look" new details about the man behind the murder of 49 airline passengers and the final moments aboard the jet. an explosion levels an apartment in new york city and the sweet sixteen is one step closer to the great eight and ben and bill hit capitol hill. and what not to do with an atm eats your card. good morning. happy friday. a tragic accident and mass murder. we are in a horrifying investigation. why did the co-pilot of


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