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you haven't been when all issues are resolved. >> if you could find over the past 20 years, a worst time for the united states to select a deal with iran. >> i can imagine the negotiators are feeling, oh my gosh i'm not sure it's worth it. >> the team has come together to provide help where help is needed. >> the airline confirms for the first time andreas lubitz had a severe episode of severe depression. >> was it expecting this kind of
backlash? heavens, no. >> connecticut still compelled in 1993 to pass this law. >> two years after it already said you cannot discriminate against people based on sexual operate axe the governor is not a stupid man. he's done much stupid things. >> not anymore. >> any day now, any day. all right. welcome to "morning joe," everybody, top of the hour 16:00 on the east coast. that's very revealing. the former treasury official analyst steve radner. >> this morning the aviation act. can you, i can't believe, mica how badly this error, it's supposed to be a world standard airline has handled this crash. >> i think right now what we are seeing is hair hunkering down
because they're facing a lot of trouble from both sides. >> we have breaking news on that crash, that happened just about 20, 30 minutes ago. >> when that e-mail was sent in to say that the co-pilot was suffering from depression severe depression six years ago, what would he have been? 20 or 21? it raises a lot of questions. we have anchor for the blaze tv amy holmes back with us. in walk former governor of vermont and former chairman ohrt national committee howard dean a. good group this morning. so let's begin with that breaking news from france t. ceo after lufthansa held a news conference moments ago, but refused to answer questions about the stunning revelation that the co-pilot who intention ally crashed that plane into the french alps disclosed six years ago that he suffered from severe depression. the ceo did make a brief statement, apologizing for what happened. >> there is a very very sorry that such a terrible accident could have happened in luff tan
zsa where we put so much focus on safety. we are sorry for the losses that occurred and they're just no words to express this. >> we have nbc's bill neely now on what the airline knew about the mental health of andreas lubitz. >> reporter: in a statement titled lufthansa helps investigation progress the airline confirms for the first time that andreas lubitz had a previous episode of severe depression. >> it says he wrote this in a 2009 e-mail to the flight training pilot school so he could resume his training after dropping out for several months. lufthansa says it has now given this e-mail to prosecutors after further internal investigations. the key question is when did it know about the e-mail? once andreas lubitz revealed his depression as a past issue, he reviewed training and qualified as a pilot with lufthansa.
this statement doesn't address how the airline followed up his past severe depression. days ago, a lufthansa spokesman told nbc news the airline quote had no knowledge of medical problems during andreas lubitz's employment. four day lufthansa and its subsidiary germanwings have tried to leave no room for doubt about its pilots and procedures saying this two days after the crash. >> we have complete confidence into our pilots. we have world renowned flight school with all our pilots have go through. >> reporter: lufthansa's boss repeating the same 100% assurance about andreas lubitz. 100% fit to fly without any restrictions, he says. lufthansa faces the risk of multi-million dollar lawsuits for company saegs over the crash. the fact that its officials were aware that andreas lubitz suffered from serious depression then later certified him to fly
passenger jets will come under intense scrutiny. >> oh wow. so just in the past hour-and-a-half, nbc's bill neely confronted the lufthansa ceo when the airline chief refused to take questions about the co-pilot take a look. >> mercy bo coup. mercy. >> sir when did you find the 2009 e-mail from andreas lubitz? >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> what took you so long to publish it in. >> there is no question and answer. sorry for that. sorry for that. thank you. thank you so much. >> sir, your employee crashed a plane. why are you refusing to take questions in. >> but he continued to refuse to take questions. i talked to bill neely about it womanly geist, who talked about, said he wasn't going to give his opinion. but a lot of people might say they have been a bit hand fisted in this investigation. think about it. this is an airline that left 150
lives in the hands of a pilot with limited experience only 600 or so flight hours. he suffered severe depression. he had dropped out of their flight school and then the ceo is berating an nbc employee earlier this week and they asked if they had competence in his business. they said i really wish you spoke german better. i wish you could understood a very aggressive first statement. and now we find all this out. >> now they look foolish this morning. >> you mentioned the 600 hours. you have 3,000 hours in the air. i'm just interested in the process here. so lufthansa has a flight school. the guy goes to the flight school. drops out because of the severe depression he talked about. when he re-enters flight school he gets a clean bill of health. has a clean medical test. so at what point would lufthansa hiring him as a commercial pilot would they have to know about
the previous record of depression? >> so remember that the lufthansa flight school is actually out in arizona, it's not in germany and the subsidiary is a self contained unit. so he complies drops out, tells them in this e-mail i've had these mental problems. what i would guess is they've never forwarded that on to luff tan sachlt they simply said to lufthansa, he's finished the flight school. he passed all the tests. he's qualified to fly. there is one other point. remember, this is lufthansa's airline. it's not to say you cut costs or hire people unqualified. but you are hiring the more junior, the more inexperienced, the more entry level kind of people. it's a cost cutting exercise to run a budgeted airline. >> inexperience and a pilot depression are two very different things. i think as a passenger, you have an expectation that the person in the cockpit would not suffer from -- >> adding that one person in the cockpit by himself.
>> let's go through it. right. so the depression thing, i've hired a fair number of pilot over the years, if i knew, if some pilot had given me that e-mail there is a 0.00% probability i would have hired that pilot. that's mistake number one. >> let me stop you there, though we don't want to get too deep into this we have a lot of news to say, but there are a lot of people say there are privacy problems. >> he sent an e-mail to the flight school saying i have psychological -- >> you don't want somebody flying you around though even if he didn't send an e-mail. i'm just saying we are about to enter into a few era of aviation, where if you fly, it is assumed you are going to have to turn over a lot of this information. >> yeah, i think the privacy stuff is going to have to change. again, remember that aviation pilots basically are self certified in a way. it's up to the pilot to disclose on his medical form whether he took drug whether he has
depression, has this or that. it's a very self reported -- >> that's going to have to change. >> the problem here that lufthansa knew. so they had this information and they still allowed him to be in charge of 149 lives. >> what do you think the ceo said when he got that one across? >> that's why i think they have to face legal trouble we can't give you the scope from every angle. plus the fact that passengers considering flying on that airline had to think about the fact they efirst said he was fit to fly and he was not. it's going to hurt their business. the clock has expired, but talks are still taking place between iran and a sixth world powers over a possible nuclear agreement. officials failed to reach a deal before yesterday's deadline. but the united states says enough progress was made for at least one extra day of negotiations. secretary of state john kerry was scheduled to leave switzerland but decided to stay and russia's foreign ministers, once again, is a part of the
talks. joining us live from switzerland, nbc news chief correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports andrea what are the issues that remain? do we know? >> reporter: we do have a pretty good idea. most importantly, sanctions, iran wants those sanctions eliminated immediately. the u.n. sanctions when a final agreement is reached june 30th by the end of june as contemplated and the allies the u.s. most importantly, france and others say no no they should be phased out. i am told the u.n. and the rest of the world sees whether or not iran is complying around already today, they've had one meeting. the french minister and from russia and the cheevenese prime minister wang all left but the remaining meeting took place this morning and the feeling here is that this has come together. they've got a draft, unless there are further obstacles
sometime today they will be going to a nearby university and announcing this agreement. >> that said there has already been a preemptive strike by benjamin netanyahu, who an hour ago, declared the fifth agreement, which has not yet been reviewed whatever his sources, are he says this agreement is unconscionable. it was a murderous iran go nuclear and he has, they made a statement, by the way, in english. so there is directed not only at the negotiators but at the english speaking world, in other words, at the american congress and the american people and the opponents of any failed iran. amy, my car joe. >> andrea a question amy holmes here do we know about the status of the enriched uranium iran is now saying they will not send out to russia? that was a big sticking point as well? >> reporter: that was a big sticking point and as was reported first by the "new york times" this week eastern had balked on that on exporting the
enriched uranium. it certainly seems there was a pushback probably from the leader himself. interestingly, back in 2009 i was covering this in geneva an early round and it was a exactly what happened. they reached a big agreemtd here. they all came back and celebrated it. they went back to tehran and i was told by a very high iranian source that the supreme leader said i never told you, you could do that. so that's the problem, there is a disconnect there. just as john kerry has his issues with congressional oversight back home it's even more important because the authority of the ayatollah khomenei is complete and unchallengeable on this issue. at this stage, there may have been some give on that. we don't know because we have been warned not to assume that it is, iron clad that iran will not spend its enriched uranium out back to russia. >> nbc's andrea mitchell thank you very much. >> howard dooenl let's throw you into play everybody's game
on the "morning joe" set. why is joe wrong? i will ask you this question. we tried this yesterday with david egg nacious. >> he was only going halfway in. i've got a feeling you are going to go all in. >> he's ready. >> so i'm going to say something, you tell me why i'm wrong. i think john kerry and barak obama are far, far, too eager for a deal with iran and could actually get a better deal if they walked away from the table and possibly came back later. why am i wrong, howard? >> i actually think you are right about that. >> dam, i can't get anybody to play this game. >> i tell you why. >> okay. tell me why, howard. >> because you know i think the united states is negotiating for a much position than we were. the reason for that is these guys were desperate to get rid of the sanctions. what they did is reminds me of a new york real estate person. you come in at the closing and say i will take another 10,000. >> at the closing, right? that's maligning new york brick
real estate. i have seen that from time to time. >> 10,000 is actually low. but go ahead. >> so i am worried about this. i do think it makes sense to be at the negotiating table. i think the rhetoric on capitol hill is silly. >> what about from israel? >> well you know netanyahu is so discredited from the south, i don't listen to him at all. >> i think obama is right to try to get a deal. i'm worried about the way these negotiations have gone and i think that joe is right, probably a step away from the table and say, okay. you are fought backing off on sending you the uranium to russia and we'll get rid of the sanctions at our own pace. i agree. >> howard you really have stated my position where i'm glad we're at the table with iran. i don't know that we have a lot of great options, but we can get a really tough, transparent, deem steve radner. to trust the verified slow
mulligan reagan coined in the 1980s. i don't think we're anywhere near that right now. i'll ask you the same question. you want to play this game. >> i love playing this game. >> we're in a good mood. >> go ahead, steve. >> i do want to put one asterisk on it which i think is ignored. unlike what you brought up a few times, it's not just us and iran at the table. we have five other countries at the table with us. so we cannot act or walk away unilaterally. if these other countries are not going to support us in maintaining the sanctions, then our leverage is greatly diminished. so it's an asterisk. i'm not disagreeing. i'm just saying we got to know where the other five are. >> let me disagree with that for a second t. power of the sanctions are the same power we could and should use against russia. the united states has the power to unilaterally impose
sanctions. we can kick any country out of the banking system. which we did do with iran. >> howard you are not going to -- if you can you can or germany or france decides they don't want to be a part of the sanctions, i don't think you whether kick them out. >> you know what happens with the iranians we said any bank that does business with them does not do business with iran or any bank. what do you think they're going to pick? even the chinese who have no interest in this kind of stuff were bartering dealing with iran and fought daring to clear it through any bank because nobody would do it. the power we have with sanctions is much stronger than most people think. i give obama full credit for bringing the iranians to the table for using sanctions. >> my car i know you like playing this game more than anybody. why am i wrong in. >> i just think it's interesting that you have all these opinions. so they must have faxed you a copy of the deal just like bb
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says he expects legislation to make sure it does not give license to anyone. arkansas is moving ahead with a similar measure. joining us live from indianapolis this morning, gabe gutierrez, it looks like arkansas will be under the microscope in the way indiana has been in the last week or so. >> reporter: exactly right, joe. the controversy is not dying down here in indiana or in arkansas t. state passing their version of a religious freedom bill. now the bill is on the way to the governor's desk. the governor said he would sign this bill. now the largest retailer wal-mart is weighing in for the governor to veto it. all this as lawmakers here in indiana scramble to clarify their law's intent. indiana governor mike pence blasted his critics saying indiana's new law is about religious freedom. not condemnation. the front page of the
indianapolis star fix this now. the governor now says he's working with lawmakers to clarify the law's intent by the end of the week. pence answered a question he had repeatedly dodgersed over the weekend. >> under this law, as it's written, is it liam for a florist to deny services to a same sex couple citing their religious belief? >> this law does not give anyone a license to deny services to gay and lesbian couples. >> that's a different interpretation from erick miller, one of the bill's proponents who stood next to the governor if thursday's bill signing. he wrote online the bill would help christian bakers florists and photographers who should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage. >> since then. >> was i expecting this kind of backlash? heavens no. >> nine ceos have sent a letter to state officials demanding the law be changed. >> the notion that you can tell businesses somehow they are free
to discriminate against people based on who they are is madness. it's bad for business. >> indianapolis' republican mayor wants the law repealed unless sexual orientations are added to the state law. >> indianapolis will not be defined by this. indianapolis welcomes everybody. >> reporter: other states now considering similar bills. >> hg 1228 is please do not discriminate. >> reporter: the state house passed its own religious preemd bill. >> my bill is protect people's civil liberties within it comes to religion. >> reporter: now on its way to the government's desk. the debate also heating up in georgia and north carolina. so why did law makers here in indiana pass this bill now? well the governor says it comes on the heels of a recent hobby lobby recent court decision that strengthens religious freedoms.
the contradiction of the bill argue that had a lot to do with indiana same-sex marriage ban be overturned last year. as we mentioned, the debate now shifting to arkansas today. guys back to you. >> all right. gabe thanks a lot in indianapolis. arkansas dives right in. >> wal-mart dives back. >> it's going to be pretty interesting, willie how asa hutchinson balances. >> wal-mart. >> the base with wal-mart. i think he may -- >> something like wal-mart is some -- >> you saw mike pence dodgers it quickly. on that show sunday he wouldn't answer the question of whether that bill allowed florists to not serve gay weddings. tuesday after every business we're not going to indiana anymore. >> he stepped in it. >> because of financial issues for the governor to protect indiana citizens on that front.
>> howard dean you know it's so interesting, everybody is talking about how america moved to the left on the issue of gay marriage and i saw this in pensacola, florida, a very very conservative place. i was in a district called the most conservative in the world, every memorial day, you would have i think up to 100,000 maybe more gay and lesbians come to pensacola and hang out on pensacola beach, to show them a year or two, the cham fwer of commerce is enough. this is really good for the city financially and that was what maybe 15 year ago? but you see this in state after state after state, mike pence, very conservative guy, had to bow to chamber pressure. you are probably going to see this with asa hutchinson and arkansas. >> i think you are seeing a redefinition of the word
conservative is. i don't think seeing same sex couples move to the left a. true leberitarian principle that young people are embracing. young people are not necessarily to the left. i know they've voted heavily nor obama. they're what they are. libertarian in terms of social stuff and even economic ally more so than i think we are. and the problem is that the governor really wasn't truthful at the press conference. in fact, this absolutely allows florists and so forth to discriminate against same sex coupleles. and that opens the door to discriminateing anybody that you don't approve of claiming that religion is the base for that and the problem is we've heard that argument before about interracial marriage about segregation. it just doesn't fly. the reason they have a law like there in illinois right next door. but the reason nobody protested about it because in there, in their law and i think into their constitution, they've enshrined
the rights of gay and lesbian people to enjoy the rights that everyone else has. that's what they won't doch that's what tear problem is. >> you brought this up yesterday the walk post said there were similar bills in 20 states. we were asking what the difference was. you brought it up. >> it's that for profit businesses can deny services to people at their discretion. >> that's what they're going to fix now. >> he says that should be the fix. if you watched the reaction yesterday, it appears that fix even isn't going to satisfy people who think this bill is discriminatory. >> it probably won't, but a lot of legal scholars alan dershowitz for example, says there isn't anything wrong with the statute, it's that indiana's underlying civil rights law does not include sexual orientation, what this actually does it would allow a business to argue in court that they have should have a religious exemption. look i think we agreed there are such statements. it's religious expression. you cannot compel a person in
the hobby lobby case to have a closely held corporation to violate the conscience. the example of a jewish deli owner soon have to serve a neonazi rally. i think reason reasonable people can say there are exceptions. >> we got to go to break. i wanted to follow up on what howard said where young voters are becoming more and more leberitarian want to strengthen c-pack this year. there are several reports to find a single 81 person in c-pack. i define young, anybody under 50 now. >> it's been happening for a long time. >> finds a young person at c-pack that is for a ban on same-sex marriage. a very libertarian attitude. >> you see naat gop, a generational divide between young republicans who are supportive of gay marriage and over conservative -- >> which makes the story even more, it seems like this may be ten, 20 years ago.
>> okay. why happening today? it's clearly a reaction to gay marriage passing. pence stepped in it terribly. do you agree? >> i think as willie said it would have been much better for them if they wanted to follow up with what the other 20 states did and that's what mike felt like he wanted to do. then he should have written it like the other 20 states. >> programs not signed it with three people. >> i don't think. yeah well. >> connecticut, for example, connecticut actually their law allows more you would say discrimination. >> except for the fact like you said before they've got an underlying statute two years before protecting gay and lesbian rights. i think that is a really big difference there. >> to willie's point, they did include businesses partnerships limited liabilities, a joint stock company and unincorporated association or another entity. so they've brought so it far out.
then you also have remember the legislature stood up and said this will allow a florist to not serve a gay couple at their wedding. so they defined it, themselves, to cre exactly the problem they have to solve. >> what year is this? >> we got to get a break. you say what year is this? theses are firmly held beliefs for people that have it for years. you can call it bigotry from you want to. because the attitude of the united states changed in the past decade doesn't mean we on this set in manhattan should judge, i'm sorry, a florist in little rock, arkansas or in indianapolis. i'm sure i'll get in trouble for this. i'm sorry, everybody is marching lock step. i wouldn't do it. but at the same time if somebody believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, i just wonder where does their rights stop. i mean do they? can you not go into business as a florist?
>> hold on a second. >> can you no longer go into business as a florist in america if you believe that a man marying a man or a woman marrying a woman is a sin? i'm just asking the question. >> there is a distinction. you can look at this in terms of the first amendment. to be compelled to use your artistic tam ents to participate in a ceremony that you disagree with. you shouldn't have to sell flowers. >> it's a question. should the florist be compelled to provide flowers for a wedding between a black person and a white person? >> thank you. >> okay. we're going to break now. >> yes? >> suppose they don't believe in intermarriage? should they be compelled to provide flowers to a black person and a white person? >> it's ridiculous please. please let me go to break. >> where do you stand on same-sex marriage? >> i think the time has come t. time has come for same-sex marriage or whatever you want to calm it. it's not our, it's not our place to judge or don't business to
people that we disagree with in anyway. i'm sorry, i don't think attitudes changing over the past 20 years is the way to describe it. this is about human rights. do not go there, governor pence. this is ridiculous. he totally stepped in it. politically terrible. people are calling him a big ought because it sounds like one and looks like one. i'm sorry. >> i think there will still be a balancing test. no matter what people say on sets in midtown manhattan or in george town. i think there will be a balancing test in court between religious freedom and religious liberty and also human rights civil rights and that balance will still be struck. >> okay. but we're not going to block people from coming into stores. because we disagree with their lifestyle. >> i certainly don't think so. i don't think so. >> all right. coming up, james carvel has been advising the clintons for a long time. what does this e-mail say about
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this idea that what i'm fighting for is just one part of some political spectrum. boy, is that wrong. i'm fighting for what america wants. you run the numbers. you can do it by the polls, talking to people up and down the street. people want us to see us refinance and raise the minimum wage, people want to see us pass equal pay for equal work. people want to see us make social security secure and expand it over time. those are core pieces of how we deal. >> core pieces you saw elizabeth warren we were interviewing her. steve radner is very excited. >> yes he is. >> steve radner when other democrats are really excited about, i know we will have the draft, else beth warren. also she talks about student loan issues like that. that also i think is a big issue right now. >> that right now what's going on in arkansas what's going in
indiana are just distractions. 99% of americans who believe as amy said halfway through this set, if somebody comes in, they lay money down on your table, you should be able provide services for them. so, in any event. >> all right. we will get to hillary clinton now. the house select committee on benghazi is now form ally requesting that hillary clinton give an interview regarding her use of a private e-mail at the state department. committee chairman says clinton has until may 1st to appear. gowdy claims the former secretary of state wiped her slate clean last year. it comes as gowdy and other republicans are upset for political sizing the issue, sucking her actions could be criminal and documents obtained by the associated press show clinton used her blackberry and an ipad to e-mail state department ploy i don't see, which seems to contradict her
own statement last month. >> when i got to work as secretary of state i opted for convenience to use my personal e-mail account, which was allowed by the state department because i thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails instead of two. looking being, it would have been better if i had simply used a second e-mail account and carried a second phone, but at the time this didn't seem like an issue. >> james carvel joins us on set at the top of the hour to talk about that. >> what do you think? are you going to go ever a james carvel? >> i am. i think there's really tough questions here. i think i have noticed a number of sort of main stream journalists, analysts across the board not want to ask questions about this. the only thing they'll say is well if you like hillary clinton, this will make her leak you more.
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and he tweeted quote south africans know how to recycle like israel knows how to be peaceful. in another he wrote i'm watching olympic women's hockey it's like lesbian porn without the porn. people will get drunk and think i'm sexy. to reduce my views to a handful of jokes that didn't land is not a true collection. tore their part comedy central is staying by him. like many comedians, trevor noah pushes the boundaries. he is provocative and spares no one, himself included. to judge him or his comedy base. >> joining us steven ba tackilyd that ggliia. we read a handful, ugly tweets. >> it was feeling like a big
deal yesterday, story after story posted on blogs. it became a topic of discussion here on the other cable networks. it changed the narrative of this guy very quickly. this is a very interesting bold choice it was a being praised by a lot of people the day before. trevor noah has really touched all the bases, diverse, millennial, global in his point of view. it was not someone who had sort of toiled for the comedy clubs of america and was getting an interesting break. he's an interesting guy and says what comedy central thinks the future of television is going to be. the next day, this story is about these very pedestrian unfunny and to many people offensive jokes on his twitter feed. i don't think twitter is a place where you should be working at your comedy routine, it's not a comedy club. it's not a sketch of time. this is like a giant x-ray machine that you go through and
everybody sees the outcome when you reach a platform like the can the "daly" show" which has been elevated i think overtime because of jon swort's performance, it's become a very important part of public discourse in america. >> steven that's the thing, you know ten years ago, somebody stepping in his position could have said i'm just a comedian. >> it's hard. >> but, we've had comedy central and you've had jon stewart having one profile after another profile saying the most trusted man in america. young people skits gets their news, it's been elevated above some comic show. on top of that when you look at the month, comedy central gets a lot more money off the "daly" show than say nbc gets off nightly news. >> a tremendous amount. >> it's big business and it does influence the culture.
so they can't just hide mooind behind i'm just a comedian. he's just a comedian lighten up. >> i think the anti-defamation league called they didn't say it called for him to step down we kind of hope he will do better than doing ugly stereotypes. >> you know, he's fairly young. >> that is that young people use twitter and instagram in ways that honestly shock and horrify me. and i wonder if they really understand just how indelible these things are. but in terms of this. i think my first thought was, oh dear they have a problem. fought because i think he's a terrible artist or as afternoon artist he shouldn't have the right to go anywhere. but there is a line and comedy central has drawn it. i mean their comedians don't do this am i correct? they don't go over that line. they push it. they don't go there.
i haven't seen anything like that in jon stewart's background or samantha b's backgrounds or anybody. >> knows comedians have been around a while and probably their early work worked out was not in the age of social media, where everything you do can exist for a long time. >> back to my point. >> so it's a different situation. i think also the fact that he is so young, that he's 31 and you know you can change a lot and evolve a lot from the time you are 25 as to when you were 31 when le started to make these tweets. i think what will happen depend a lot on jon stewart. he will be at the table during the transition with the pope. he'll give his blessing and i think the public will give this guy a chance. >> lizen i think the bold thing here was for him to take responsibility. >> but we also do get to judge, contrary to what comedy central has to say. we can judge it by not watching him. i think we can have a society, where he can tweet whatever he
likes. he can get a job at comedy central replacing jon stewart. i don't have to watch it or read it. i think the ratings will reflect whether or not he does a good job. >> it certainly is not a good first impression. >> no. >> the biggest crime of all is they weren't funny. you can be offensive but still laugh at stuff. >> mike barnacle. i think we have to decide as a culture and more specifically as a media whether things in the past matter. i was struck reading all this stuff yesterday when people mulligan to defend trevor noah paula deen said something years ago and he is being excused for these things. >> first of all the way we define our past in this century is three seconds? inevitably, everyone in america is going to get in trouble because of something they do on twitter. that's an inevitably. the third thing, steven raised this the biggest thing for
comedy central this guy may not be funny. the tweets were not funny. so comedy central, you got to be funny. >> i think to your point, quickly, i wonder i hate to always play this game. it's a good game to play as well as is joe wrong? what if sean hannity committed these things? >> oh you are right. >> what if charles kraut hammer had tweeted these jokes. >> nair not dpedcomedians. >> dennis miller. >> what if dennis miller said these things? >> again, he's at a different stage in his career. comedians have gotten if trouble and lost jobs because of going over a line that's either set by the public or management. it does happen. i don't think this quite pin the needle back that much in this case but i do think when you compare it to what we thought about the guy the day before and what an interesting choice -- >> not a good start. >> thank you.
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years ago, that he suffered from severe depression. what they said and didn't say. >> mercy bocoup. mercy. >> sir when did you apply the the -- find the 2009 e-mail from andreas lubitz? what made you so long to publish it? >> i'm sorry. there is no question and answer. sorry for. that thank you thank you. thank you so much. >> sir, your employee crashed a plane, why are you refusing to take questions in
. all right. it's the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnacle is joining us. >> this is huge man. >> i need to talk to him. i've always let's just say we're going to have to discuss this hillary clinton. >> we will have to discuss that. before we do that we will have to talk about the red sweater. >> what are you doing? >> i'm headed to alabama. >> it looks more leak you are sucking up to the buckeyes with that color. >> i feel leak i have to be nice mica's daughter is down in tulane. >> vanderbilt. i'm okay. >> i don't say anything bad about vanderbilt. >> commodore over here. >> a handful. >> oh my goodness. >> after mica finishes her questions about hillary, you are going to call them and say, don't let her daughter. you can find out if they're
here. >> i want hillary announce she is running and having an incredible run. >> i think you will get your wish. >> you think so? let's do this. let's start with the breaking news out of france. then we will get to the competition. the ceo of lufthansa held a news conference moments ago, refused to answer questions about the stunning revelation the co-pilot who intended to crash into the french alps disclosed six years ago he suffered from severe depression. the ceo made a previous statement apologizing for what happened. >> we are very very sorry that such a terrible accident could have happened in lufthansa where we put so much focus on safety. we are sorry for the losses that occurred and there is just no
words to express this. >> we now have a clip. >> they tried to get more words from him to express it. >> before we do that let's get sort of the breakdown of what the airline knew about the mental het health of andreas lubitz. >> reporter: in a statement titled lufthansa helps investigation progress the airline confirms for the first time that andreas lubitz had a previous episode of severe depression. it says he wrote this in a between e-mail to the flight training pilot school so he could resume his training after dropping out for several months lufthansa says it has now given this e-mail to prosecutors after further eternal investigations. the key question is when did it know about the e-mails? once andreas lubitz revealed his depression as a past issue, he resumed training as a pilot with lufthansa. the statement doesn't address why the airline followed up his past severe depression.
days ago, a lufthansa spokesman said the airline quote had no only in of the medical problems for days lufthansa and its subsidiary germanwings have tried to leave no doubt about its pilots and its procedures saying this, two days after the crash. >> we have complete confidence and to our pilots. we have world renowned flight school with all our pilots have go through. >> lufthansa's boss repeating the same 100% assurance about andreas lubitz. 100 100% fit to fly without any restrictions. lufthansa faces the risk for compensation over the past. the fact that they were aware that andreas lubitz suffered from depression and later sert philadelphia to him to fly passenger jets will come under intense scrutiny. >> obviously, james is watching this. they said they looked like
they're all lawyered up right now. a big question as a lawyer that have been involved in a few of these suits, not aviation suits, suits where you are digging through e-mails and records and very important to know why did the company know? when did they know it? this enail, was this an internal e-mail to the company, womanly? >> this was in his personal e-mail in 2009. he sends an e-mail why he dropped out of flight school because of severe mental depression. >> take a leave, come back. >> then he came back and took another test. he was cleared medically. so to answer your question in the lufthansa flight school. >> the legal significance of that is absolutely extraordinary. they found him home on his computer on a server somewhere else that would be one thing. it is internal. >> yeah. >> they knew about this in 2001. >> it explains some of their evasive behavior. you heard this morning, bill neely confronted the lufthansa
ceo and chief refuse to take questions after his statement earlier this morning. >> mercy bocoup. mercy. >> circumstance when did you find the 2009 e-mail from colonel andreas lubitz? >> i'm sorry. >> what has taken you so long to public this? >> there is no question and answer. sorry for that. thank you, thank you. thank you so much. >> sir, your employee crashed a plane, why are you refusing to take questions? >> that's our bill feely, he slowly backs away. >> bill shouting the question when they are answering questions last week that same ceo is angry. he tells one nbc reporter who asked, can you assure us this guy was fit to fly in he said i wish your german were better. because you would have
understood what i have already repeated several times, now i will repeat it again if english. i can't believe this is a world standard arld and their handling this as terribly as they are handling it. >> they have been told not to say anything clearly. >> why is lufthansa flying airports? >> true. all right, let's move on here we have the house select committee on benghazi is now form ally requesting that hillary clinton give an interview regarding her use of a private e-mail of the state department. committee chairman tray gowdy says clinton has until may 1st to appear. she wiped her server clean late last 84. it comes as gowdy and other republicans are upset for politicizeing the issue. suggesting her actions could be criminal. the poll shows a downward trend
in three swing states let's look first to florida, jeb bush is ahead by three points and senators marco rubio and rand paul are within the margin of error. over in pennsylvania, senator paul has surged to a one-point lead over clinton. clintons a single digit leads now against governor's christie and bush. clinton leads all candidates in ohio. her margins have decreased a bit. >> it's important to know these one or two point leads come onliant 87 years before the item election. >> i know. so all right. >> mr. carvel. >> i will sit back. >> that's impossible. >> if it were the problem here that there isn't a little bit more, you know what this shouldn't have happened. here's what happened. there is a lot. first we hear she hands an e-mail. then we hear later the server is
wiped clean. they know all this. >> colin powell said. it's the same thing for anybody else. the question is. she set up the ting if the committee wants to talk to us. she's spoken to the committee before. they're a select committee. i can't wait somebody is trying to politicize there, my god. >> it's a place to go but i'm asking you, if you think it's appropriate that she has her own server she wipes it clean, maybe the e-mail's on that server, but we wouldn't know james car investment are state department's e-mail. >> there is nothing well doing that. it's not against the law, it's not against regulations. you can ask. >> it is against policy. why are you saying that? >> what regulation in. >> i didn't say law. in the state there is a policy
that came in place. >> let me ask you the question really quickly, then i want to get back to this. this is a lot of fun. there was a 2009 regulation, barak obama came in office and said any e-mails you have have to be backed up on whatever department. few work on the interior dep and you have a personal e-mail account, it's your responsibility to make shower it's all backed up obviously, for record keeping purposes we don't have enough. my car i return it back to you. >> i think what she did was totally liam t. committee gave her the press conference for this just like every other quote clinton scandal. >> at the end of the day, i predict this whole thing is going to amount to diddly squat. >> i have people at the white house who think it's not good. >> go to the democrat who says yeah, we go through this right. >> on our own server. dealing with other countries, private business. >> we go to somebody, a democrat is nervous.
then we have a column. then we say this is morier sus than before. it goes over and over. >> you always try i to generalize instead of talk in specs. i'm not talking about whitewatt the files disappear no two years. >> joe let's stop. and you are forgeting something. you are joerthing something, joe. the rose dylan records exonerated her. you see we go over this thing, we act like it's something, we act like when ho lee is something. at the end of the day, did the rose dylan records exonerate here? >> okay. no, i'm not going to let you do it. listen, let me talk for a few seconds then you talk. i'll respond. >> okay. that's the point. you say there was nothing there. they exonerated her. we don't know they disappeared and imagically showed up. >> the records there exxon
righted her. >> the records for two years they played around with would exonerate me too. i'd look stupid for a month. >> you lad the great whitewater scandal. you are generalizeing like it's nothing -- >> i don't fall for your scandal. >> i'm not calling eight scandal. i'm not going to sit here -- >> and you'll see and if you want to interview her, interview her. okay. >> james, quickly. >> i'm not playing games. i'm being very factual with you. >> i think for someone that is about to potentially announce in the next six months she will run for president. things like saying he used one thing, there were two, the ipad the server is wiped clean, come on, help me out here james. >> they can ask her. >> what are some of the legitimate questions here? >> anybody that runs for president will get questions. >> right. >> this cannot be stopped.
then this question and they'll start something else. that they'll answer that question and start something else. my point is, it's never going to ends j just deal with it. if eight congressional investigation, how many investigations were into the side 11? something like that. >> can all the bells ring every time? >> give me a spec number. can i have a specific number on this? >> i don't know. >> i do. >> you're generalizing because you don't want to talk about the specifics of this case. you've done this since 1992. you generalize it and say look at the skies. don't look here there is a plane in the sky. don't look here. >> is seven a general number? >> between eight and six. >> we're not talking benghazi we're talking about chapequa. worry in the talking about somebody an ambassador we're
talking about chapequa. so answer the question i don't think it's a scandal. this is what we don't understand around this table. so hillary has a press conference. as you know 28 you have to admit this. i defended hillary. i like hillary. there is no scandal. there is room for hillary on this network. certainly more than anybody else. so with that as a backdrop hillary has a press conference she says well you know iwiped clean all the e-mails, 33,000 e-mails. you go okay. then the state department wants to back out. then. >> luckily. >> the next couple weeks, we find out that's not crew. she wapd them all clean. why doesn't she say i wiped them clean. >> just that question? >> the general committee will ask. i'm absolutely certain she will
ask that. i'm sorry you can ask her that question. >> so what do you think? would you recommend she had told everybody everything? >> i don't know. i really don't know. i'm sure she will be asked that question question. >> if there were a candidate running for governor in lousiana. >> just like you asked jeb push would you sign the mike pence thing? he said, yeah i would. >> ask him a legitimate question. >> so would you say to that person, hey, listen it's probably better you get it all out there. i wipe out just the personal e-mails for the personal and state department e-mails? >> i don't know the answer to it. >> what would you sa i to a young candidate coming to you in. >> because you are strategizing. >> i'm asking you a general question. >> you want major questions. >> i will say to any candidate is say what it is it's a contradiction and deal is with
it there. it doesn't seem to be. >> let's assume hillary clinton gets through this. she runs for president. i lay that assumption out there. what is her central message? what does she tell people? what is the hillary clinton message? >> i think, they will know sharply, we will get a document when she announces. i think that's a good time to do it. i think these going to say something it's the great unfinished work in america we have not gotten incomes to grow for a substantial amount of people. these are ideas i will put forward to do that. i'm sounding like guessing. looking at neptune, guessing that pluto is out there. i think it's going to be something along those lines. >> the economy, income and equality. >> not so much inequality.
it's the lack of ability we've had to grow incomes for a vast vast majority of the people. >> since 1973 and we'll come dropping. >> in the truth of the matter is people will say there are any number of reasons, skills trades, you they'll it. >> what's the first thing you should do? >> i want to make a difference here it's not so much inequality. it's not how much. it's flat. i think that is going to be what's going to be central to what she's going to talk about. >> to what everybody is going to talk about. >> rid him me this. the potential right now candidate. i have been listening intently
as this has been going on. i heard the words, rose law firm vince foster whitewater, i've heard benghazi i've heard server. do you think that her biggest problem is none of those, including benghazi but her biggest problem might be just the exhaustion factor people listening to all this stuff about the clintons and saying no no mas. >> no i don't think that's the biggest problem. all of it is specific in the cycle of diddly squat if you ask me. i think her biggest problem is it may be democratic president, how are you going to be different than this president or are you going to be the same? i think that's ultimately the question that comes down if people's minds. >> james. >> is not about that. >> if it was dig kane and his server would you think defense diddly squat? >> if i was dig cheney i would
say, this is starting a war i you this you shouldn't have started. you ought to ask a question about your server. >> it's a fair question. ask him. >> that's all i wanted out of you today. oh my god, thank you. >> after 52 minutes and 52 seconds. >> somebody will answer this question. i guarantee you she will be asked a question about her server. >> thank you. i'm done. that's all i was looking for, for weeks. >> okay. >> again, if i was going, it's always going to be something. >> so what republican candidate do you think could be the strongest? i get that question. i think what afear is they have a very contested race. somebody will say, can you unify
the party with win hard primaries, look strong on election night? if you go back the classic example is the 19-day republican presidential field. probably the strongest field ever put together. reagan wanted it to be george h.w. bush, boat bob dome boat howard baker. beat john conley i'm probably forgeting some people in there. if i were a republican would i want is not a bunch of crazy guys, but a bunch of people having a really relevant debate and somebody emerging strong. >> you sharpen yourself up. i have seen a lot of times the worst thing that can happen for somebody to have an uncontested primary, they get out of there stronger, i'm not saying that's going to be the case here but sometimes when you wish for an unopposed election. >> you know are you in politics. i never knew a politician that.
ed and apology. >> i hate opponents. i will tell you, though, in florida first year i ran, we had 30 people fighting. the democrats were unopposed. by the time we got through, we had been through etching. >> i'll say this i'm honest about this. it's more a republican field than it might disappoint you. now it's still early, if scott walker came out strong there is some real doubt whether he can get it. >> you saw ted cruz. >> he's fearless. he's thrown up an appeal to a significant party. not enough to winch bush is ending up the nominee, le have to deal with that. >> thank you so much for being with us. we always love having you here. >> thank you sir. >> it was a fun first ten minutes. >> thank you very much. >> all right still ahead on
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of total collapse as the saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes against rebels. iran is now calling for talks between yemen's political parties and president obama is lifting a nearly two-year-old weapons freeze against egypt. the white house denies it is directly leaked e linked to the threat of islamic state militants, which brings us to talks with iran. the clock has expired. iran and six world powers are still negotiating overa possible nuclear agreement. officials failed to reach a deal before yesterday's deadline. the united states says if you have progress was made for at least one extra day of negotiations. secretary of state john kerry was scheduled to leave switzerland but decided to stay earlier on "morning joe" chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell reports one of the key sticking points with u.n. sanctions lifted after a
deal, eastern wants them removed immediately. but the world powers want phases to which iran complies with the deal. he says without few obstacles emerging officials are expected to announce a deal soon. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is meeting with john boehner in israel. they plan to strike as a deal with eastern appears within reach. >> iran is accelerating its campaign of terror subjugation and concourse throughout the region most recently in yemen. the concessions offered to iran would insure a bad deal that would endanger israel the middle east and the peace of the world. >> mike barnacle? >> well the entire region is if flames. we got an entire section of the globe at war with each other. the idea that the white house would deny the linkage between
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isn't it? >> it is. >> it costs us the last six elections? >> they were in the ''80s. the demographics have changed so dramatically. we understand them changing. we don't appreciate how much. every single election since 1966 the electorate has gone down between two and four points. it's down to 72% in the last election. that's enough to change the outcome of the elections not just the margins. >> you are commenting against republicans commenting in indiana, right? >> can we step back for just a minute here? some of the toughest decisions in our political system are the conflict of competing values. i've got an example in the national security section, where we talk about privacy versus security. this is a conflinlt of some fundamental am values.
not just a right, but the right that is mentioned -- >> i totally understand and i think the reason that joe you bring up mike pence in indiana is that we are finding that some of the earlier sort of platforms that conservatives, republicans, really took to the mantle are now not working as well. times are changing and the party is not changing with the times. is that fair to say in. >> i think that's fair to say. it's not just the times are changeing, the realities on the ground a changing mike. we talk about it all the time. if we have full employment. if the economy is doing great. the commies are in retreat in 1989, then you may have an electorate, say, okay i want to talk about social issues. if the average wage is going down from 1973 the rich are getting rich the poorer are getting poor. have you all these issues up
there suddenly i have to may my kids college. >> income and einekwalt for nearly three years. >> that i think will shape the election coming up more than any other issue. so how do the democratics of the government party fit into the need to address that. a substantial portion of the republican party talks about the social issues still joe is still mentioning. >> mike is not income equality in and of itself. it's economic opportunity. it's expanding the opportunity for all. the candidate that does the best if both the republican primaries and the general election is going to be one who paints a compelling vision of more economic opportunity for the middle class, for non-whites for all americans and that that's what i think will be the key to the election. >> democrat returns, i'm sorry, you point out are no secret. they're out in this book
everyone saw the numbers mitt romney had among african-americans and probably cast him the election. are you confident in the last year-and-a-half now remaining that the republican party has accepted that reality and is pivoting to deal with it? >> we are working with that reality, will. it's a huge reality t. nominee in 2016 gets no more of the non-white vote than romney got, which was 70%. they're going to need to get 65% of a white vote which is a level achieved only by ronald reagan in a 49-state sweep. on the other hand, if the nominee in '16 gets 57% of the white vote romney got, they need almost the majority of the hispanic vote in order to get a majority of the popular vote i think it can happen. it will take a transformational candidate. >> thank you so much.
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all about the economy. >> how is the american economy? >> actually the semi-is on solid footing. you look at all the metrics. income levels are rising. yesterday, they beat us. so we think the economy is pretty good. >> the dollar is strong. is that hurt exports? >> i think you have to put it into perspective. when it's a strong dollar that means it's a strong economy. for us it's our biggest market. most profitable market. that's good. clearly with a strong dollar it's a negative for us in total. the big multi-national. >> when do they sell cars outside the united states? >> the biggest market is china, germany, brazil, those places. >> what car sales? what do the chinese like? >> actually they like all the
vehicles vent presented there. the focus, for example, is the top selling nameplate in china. our whole lineup is just exploding there. >> wow. >> very good. >> talk a bit about the unique labor deal you have with the uaw. a lot of states in this country. union membership is reduced. you got a unique deal with the uaw. how does that week? >> every four years we have a contract. the last contract we signed in 2011 we agreed on record profit sharing for our employees. so when the company does well our employees do well. >> new entrance into the union. do they receive a lesser pay scale? how does that work? >> we have an entry level wage. >> that has allowed us to add over 14,000 hourly jobs since
2011. it's allowed us to invest over 16,000 in our plants. >> the turn around in the auto industry in the last seven, nine years, has been remarkable. obviously, there was government help. >> not before. >> generally for the automobile industry. what lessons do you take away? there were a lot of people that tike american cars for dead not long ago. >> i can only speak for ford the question is have an outside view as opposed to a company out view and give customers the best safety fuel efficiency, and smart technology doing away i will get one of those. and quality is so important to customers. as mentioned, fuel economy, even with gas at $2.50 a gallon. fuel economy across every segment is so important to
customers. that's why we want to make sure every one of our vehicles is among the best. >> so my grandma droeg drove us around in her hot rod lincoln. she drove way too fast even into her '80s. it wasn't my grandma, elvis did. jfk did. i mean it was, mike, it was an incredible important vehicle. >> even president kennedy drove around in a classic museum piece. there is a new one now. >> there is a new one. we have a real commitment as a company to living it as a world class luxury brand. we laid out a plan a number of years ago. we're building momentum. our sales were they outpaced the luxury industry last year off to the best start retail sales.
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so you had -- >> it's chilling. >> this weekend charlie rose had a great interview with assad where assad said he wasn't responsible for so many of these death, but here you actually have the assad government according to this report targeting schools to kill children. >> it's unspeakable. unspeakable. >> no good choices, mike. it's isis or assad. >> assad, lied to charlie rose repeatedly. this piece proves the lie. he is the head of a failed state. one of two or three failed state in one region the world that is the scope of the problem, the global issues that raise syria, iraq yemen, all failed states are enormous. >> and because the world community didn't step in a couple years ago in syria -- >> it's made it more difficult. >> so much more difficult to find a more moderate force there. >> absolutely. there is such a thing at timing, and by not intervening early it create add vacuum. is filled that vacuum.
we knew early on isis were the better fighters better trained and of course more ruthless but in this report denying education that is a method of enslavement. that is -- >> chilling. >> targeting children. we know also bashar al assad is responsible for gases, and a red line turned into a green light to victimize his people. up next lufthansa refusing to answer questions why copilot andreas lubitz was allows to fly despite telling the airline six years ago he suffered from depression. also a game we've played all week. why joe is so wrong when he says -- >> when he says the obama administration is so desperate for a deal with iran he's willing to take a bad one. so interesting that you know what's in the deal. >> very popular, though. >> you think i'm wrong, too? >> it's amazing. you and the leader of israel.
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. do you have a deal when all issues are resolved. >> if you could find over the past 20 years a worst time for the united states to strike a deal with iran couldn't find it. >> i can imagine the negotiators are thinking oh my gosh. i'm not even sure if at this point it's worth it. >> the team has come together with the entire lufthansa group to provide help where help is needed. >> the airline confirms for the first time andreas lubitz had a previous episode of steer depression. >> was i expecting this kind of backlash? heavens no. >> if you want to call for a boycott of indiana our governor of connecticut should call for a 20-state boycott. >> why did connecticut fail to pass this law. >> two years after it already said you cannot discriminate against people based on sexual orientation the governor's not a stupid man. but he's done stupid things. >> a much tougher question for you. when is spring coming governor? >> any day now. any day.
[ laughter ] it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. with us on set we have steve rattner, amy holmes and in washington howard dean. good group this morning. let's begin with that breaking news from france. the ceo of lufthansa held a news conference but refused to answer questions about the stunning revelation that the copilot who intentionally crashed that plane into the french alps disclosed six years ago that he suffered from severe depression. the ceo did make a brief statement apologizing for what happened. >> very very sorry that such a terrible accident could have happened in lufthansa where we put so much focus on safety. we are sorry for the losses that occurred and there are no words to express this. >> we have nbc's bill neely now with more on what the airline
knew about the mental health of andreas lubitz. >> reporter: in a statement titled lufthansa helps investigation progress the airline confirms for the first time that andreas lubitz had a previous episode of severe depression. >> it says he wrote this in a 2009 e-mail to the flight training pilot school so he could resume training after dropping out for several months. >> reporter: lufthansa has now given this e-mail to prosecutors after further internal investigations. the key question is, when did it know about the e-mail? once lubitz revealed his depression as a past issue, he resumed training and qualified as a pilots with lufthansa. the statement doesn't address how the airline followed up his past severe depression. days ago, a lufthansa supposeman told nbc news the airline "had no knowledge of medical problems during lubitz' employment." for days lufthansa and its
subsidiary germanwings tried to leave no room for doubt about its pilots and its procedures saying this two days after the crash. >> we have complete confidence into our pilots. we have world renowned flight school which all our pilots have to go through. >> reporter: lufthansa's boss repeating the same 100% assurance about lubitz. 100% fit to fly without any restrictions, he says. lufthansa faces the risk of multimillion dollar lawsuits for compensation over the crash. the fact that its officials were aware that lubitz had suffered from serious depression then later certified him to fly passenger jets will come under intense scrutiny. >> oh wow. nbc's bill neely confronted the lufthansa ceo when the airline chief refused to take questions about the copilot. take a look.
[ speaking in foreign language ]. >> reporter: sir, when did you find the 2009 e-mail from lubitz? >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. there's no -- >> reporter: why did it take you so long to publish the -- >> there's no questions -- sorry for that. sorry for that. >> reporter: one of your questions -- >> thank you. thank you so much. >> reporter: sir, your employee crash add plane. why crashed a plane. why are you refusing to take questions? >> i talked to willie willie geist about it said he wasn't going to give his opinion but a lot of people might say they've been a bit hand-fisted in this investigation. think about it. an airline that left 150 lives in the hands of a pilot with limited experience. only 600 or so flight hour suffering from severe depression. he had dropped out of their flight school and then the ceo was beraiding an nbc employee asking if they had confidence in
his fitness and you know i really wish you spoke german better. i wish you could have understood, very aggressive, terse statement. >> way strong. way too strongly. >> yeah. now we find all this out. >> reporter: and look foolish this morning. you mentioned 600 hours. steve, 3,000 in the air. >> yes. >> interested in the process. lufthansa has a flight school. this guy goes to the flight school. drops out because of the severe depression he talked about. when he re-enters flight school he gets a clean bill of health has a clean medical test. at what point when lufthansa hiring them would they have to know about the previous record of depression? >> so remember that the lufthansa flight school is actually out in arizona. it's not in germany and it's a subsidiary, a self-contained unit. he applies, go to it drops out, comes back. tells him in the e-mail i've had these mental problems and i would guess they never forwarded
all that on to lufthansa. simply said okay he's finished our flight school passed all the tests, qualified to fly and they fly him. one other point that hasn't been discussed so much here. remember this was lufthansa's budget airline. not sow say budget means you cut costs or hire people that are unqualified but you're hiring the more junior more inexperienced, more entry level people because it's a cost-cutting exercise to run a budgeted airline. >> i'm sorry. i was going to say, inexperience and a pilot depression are two very different things. as a passenger you have an expectation the person in the cockpit is not suffering from -- >> and letting that one person in the cockpit by himself. >> go through this. so the depression thing, i've hire add fair number of pilots over the years. if some pilot had given me that e-mail, there is a 0.00% probability i would have hired that pilot. mistake number one. >> let me stop you there, though, and we don't want to get too deep into this got a lot of
news to talk about, but a lot of people would say well there are privacy problems, but are we coming into -- >> he sent an e-mail to the flight school saying i have psychological -- >> same time you don't want somebody flying you around though even if he didn't send the e-mail. we're about to enter into a new era in aviation where if you fly it is assumed you're going to have to turn over a lot of this information. >> the privacy stuff will have to change. again, remember that aviation pilots basically are self-certified in a way. you pass all of the test but it's up to the pilot to disclose on his medical form whether he took drugs, has depression has this or that. it's a very self-reported system. >> that's going have to change. >> it may well have to. >> and lufthansa knew. so they had this information, and they still allowed him to be in charge of 149 lives. >> what do you think the ceo said when he got that one across his desk? >> i think that's why he had to walk away. they're facing legal trouble we
can't even begin to give you the scope of from every angle. plus the fact passengers considers flying on that airline have to think about the fact that -- they first said he was fit to fly and he was not. >> ah. >> and that's going to hurt their business. >> yeah. the clock has expired, but talks are still taking place between iran and the six world powers. over a possible nuclear agreement. officials failed to reach a deal before yesterday's deadline but the united states says enough progress was made for at least one extra day of negotiations. secretary of state john kerry was scheduled to leave switzerland, but decided to stay and russia's foreign minister is once again part of the talks. joining us live from lausanne switzerland. nbc news chief correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports" andrea mitchell. what are the issues that remain? do we know, andrea? >> reporter: we do have a pretty good idea. most importantly, sanctions. iran wants those sanctions eliminated immediately, the u.n.
sanctions, when a final agreement is reached june 30th by the end of june as contemplated, and the allies most importantly france and others, say, no. they should be phased out until the u.n. and the rest of the world sees worth iran ss whether or not iran is complying. already today one meeting. the french minister and lavrov from russia and the chinese foreign minister wang all left but the remaining meeting with zarif took place this morning and the feeling here is this has come together. they've got a draft. we expect that unless there are further obstacles sometime today they will be going to a nearby university and announcing this agreement. that said there's already been a pre-emptive strike by benjamin netanyahu who only about an hour ago in israel declayed this agreement, which has not yet been revealed whatever his sources are, he seems to know what's in it he says this agreement is unconscionable
would let a murderous iran go nuclear and he has -- made the statement, by the way, in english. this was directed not only at the negotiators but at the english-speaking world, in other words, at the american congress and the american people and the opponents of any deal with iran. >> amy? >> mika and joe? >> a question amy holmes here. do we know about the status of the enriched uranium iran is now saying they will not send out to russia? that was a big sticking point as well. >> reporter: that was a big sticking point, and as it was reported first by the "new york times" this week iran had balked on that on exporting the enriched uranium. certainly seemed there was a pushback from probably the supreme leader who has the final say on things. back in 2009 i covered this in geneva, an early round, and that was exactly what happened. they reached a big agreement here. they all came back and celebrated it. they went back to tehran and i was told by a very high iranian
source that the supreme leader said, i never told you you could do that. so that's the problem. there is a disconnect there. just as -- as john kerry has his issues with congressional oversight back home it's more important, because the authority of the ayatollah khomeini is complete and unchallengeable on this issue. ate this stage there may have been some give on that. we don't know. we've been told not to assume it is ironclad iran will not send its enriched uranium back to russia. >> nbc's andrea mitchell thank you very much. howard in to play everybody's game, on the "morning joe" set. why is joe wrong? i'm going to ask you this question. we tried this yesterday we david ignatius. only half way in. i've got a feeling you're going to go all-in. >> he's ready. >> i'm going to say something. you tell me why heimi'm wrong. i think john kerry and barack
obama are far, far, too eager with a deal with iran and could get a better deal if they walked away from the table and came back later. why am i wrong? >> i actually think i'm right about that. >> damn! i can't get anybody to play this game. >> i think you're wrong. >> i think you're wrong. >> i'll tell you why. >> tell me why, howard. >> because, i think the united states is negotiating for a much stronger position than we were four years ago. >> exactly. >> and the reason for that is these guys are desperate to get rid of the sanctions. what they did reminded me of a new york real estate person. come in at the closing say i'll take another $10,000 or -- at the closing, right? >> right. >> that's maligning new york state real estate people. >> not really. >> i've seen that from time to time. >> $10,000's actually low, but go ahead. >> so i am worried about this. >> yeah. >> i do think it makes sense to be at the negotiating table. i think the rhetoric on capitol hill is silly. but -- >> what about from israel? >> well, you know netanyahu has so discredited himself i don't
listen to him at all anymore but obama is right to try to get a deal. i'm worried about the way the negotiations have gone and i think that joe is right. probably a step away from the table and say, okay. you're not backing off on sending the uranium to russia and you're not, and we'll get rid of the sanctions at our own pace. i agree. >> howard you really have stated my position where i'm glad we're at the table with iran. i don't know we have a lot of great options. but we can get a really tough transparent deal steve rattner, that would verify a slogan reagan coined back in the 1980s. i'll ask you the same question because you want to play this game. why joe wrong? >> i love playing this game. >> when you're in a good mood. >> always in a good mood. april fools. >> i want to put an asterisk
that's gets ignored. it's not just us and iran at the table. five other countries are at that table with us. the so-called p5+1. we cannot walk away unilaterally. if the other countries -- let me finish -- will not support us maintaining sanctions then our leverage is greatly diminished. it's an asterisk. not disagree but sighing we have to know where the other fire our. >> let me disagree for a second. the same power of the sanctions, we probably could and should use against russia the united states has the power to unilaterally imply sanctions. we can kick anybody in the world out of the banking system. >> wait, howard you're not -- if you uk or germany or france decides they don't want to be a part of the sanctions i don't think you'll kick them out of the sanctions system. >> any bank that does business
with iran cannot do business with the united states. if deutsche bank has a choice of doing business with iran or american barths sbanks what do you think they'd pick? even the chinese, not daring to clear it through any bank, nobody would do it. the power we have with sanctions is stronger than most people think and it i give obama full credit for bringing the iranians to the table by using sanctions that really bit. >> still ahead on "morning joe," not just wall street feeling the heat from elizabeth warren. she joins us on-set to talk about her agenda. it's amazing what getting fired will do. yes, yes. what it will do to put things into perspective. yes it does. the ceo of popeye's joins us on how career obstacles in the past helped shaped the company's amazing turnaround today. >> i thought all my ordered, pieeye's chicken, turned them around. >> no.
let's go now to the state of indiana and the uproar over a freedom of religion bill saying the law allows them to discriminate against gays and lesbians. making it clear the law does not deny the right to give services to anyone. while indiana trying to quell the storm, arkansas is moving with a similar measure.
gabe gutierrez, looks like arkansas will be under the microscope in the way indiana's been for the last week or so? >> exactly right, joe. the controversy is not dying down here in indiana or arkansas. only growing there. the state house passing their version of a religious freedom bill, late yesterday. now the bill's on the way to the governor's desk. the republican governor had previously said that he would sign this bill but now the nation's largest retailer walmart is weighing in. urging the governor to veto it. all of this as lawmakers here in indiana scramble to clarify their law's intent. >> reporter: indiana governor mike pence blachted critics says indiana's new law is about religious freedom not discrimination. >> this law has been smeared. >> reporter: the page of the "ind star "fix this now." pence answer and question he repeatedly dodged over the weekend.
>> under this law as its written, is it legal for a florist to deny services to a same-sex couple citing the religious belief? >> this law does not give anyone a license to deny services to gay and lesbian couples. >> reporter: that's a different interpretation from eric miller one of the bill's proponents who stood next to the governor at the bill signing saying the bill would help christian bakers florists and photographers who should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage. since then. >> was i expecting this kind of backlash? heavens, no. >> reporter: nine ceos sent a letter demanding the law be changed. >> the notion you can tell businesses somehow they are free to discriminate against people based on who they are is mad inside, it's bad for business. >> reporter: indianapolis's republican mayor wants the law
retealed unless things are added to the law. >> indianapolis will not be defined by this. indianapolis welcomes everybody. >> reporter: other states now considering similar bills. >> hb-1228 is hate. please do not discriminate. >> reporter: the state house passed its own religious freedom bill. >> my bill is designed to protect the people's civil liberty when it comes to religion. >> reporter: now on its way to the governor's desk. >> not in our name. not in god's name. >> reporter: in georgia and north carolina as well. why did lawmakers here in indiana pass this bill now? the governor says it comes on the heels of the's recent hobby lobby decision that strengthens at the federal level. critics argue this had a lot to do with indiana's same-sex marriage ban overturned last year. as we mentioned, the debate now shifting to arkansas today. guys back to you.
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joining us now member of the democratic leadership senator elizabeth warren. i can't get you two to stop talking about earlier this week in boston. the event there. >> it was cold but a great event hrnts had a great time. >> it was a really great event because it was about ted kennedy's vision and what he really wanted to do was have something that would inspire other people. >> there's a story of the two of you early on where he -- you had his vote actually. tell us that story. >> i did. so -- so, remember this is back in the '90s, and i'm studying what's happening to america's hard-working families and i tell this story in the book and i'm studies what's happening to them and, just one blow after
another. and you're watching the number of families filing for bankruptcy going up. principle reasons they file -- medical debt job loss family breakup. that is a death, a divorce in the family. and so the credit card companies look at this and say, hey, you know, if we could just lock the doors to the bankruptcy court, make it harder for them to file bankruptcy we could leave those families mired in debt for moss years maybe forever and just squeeze some more interest payments out of there. i thought this was obscene. so i end up meeting senator kennedy asking him for his help and god bless him. we sat out, supposed to be a 15-minute meeting, and he just -- we start talking about working families. i'm there an hour and a half and by the time we get to the end he stands up and he said well professor. you did it. he says you got my vote and i looked back at him and i said senator, we don't need your vote. we need your leadership.
we needed him to carry the ball and as you know. >> right. >> the difference between voting, you drop into the cocktail party for a drink. >> exactly. >> and having to give the party, that's leadership. >> yeah. you have obviously made it clear you're not going to run for president. you also aren't going to run for senate majority leader or minority leader whichever it ends up being. >> i'm going for majority. >> so let me ask you, if we end up with hillary clinton versus jeb bush wheren the leadership going to come from when the rich are getting richer poor poorer, middle class squeezed. too big to fail bigger by the moment. average wages dropped every year since 1973. billionaires paying 14% tax rates. their secretaries paying 28% tax rates. this i said for some time and you a lot longer time this isn't a republican or democratic issues this is an american issue yet i don't see too many people out there other than you talking
about this. >> change. >> we don't see hillary or jeb talking about this? >> so i think this is a fight we have to have right this minute. not in the future. not down the line but right this minute. and i'll give you examples. i have a bill right now that's pending to reduce the interest rate on student loans. it is obscene that the federal government is making a profit off the backs of kids who have to borrow money to go to college. and my view is you got to be in there and hang in there and fight for it. >> how much money does the federal government make off those student loans? >> just one -- >> unbelievable. >> the loans that went out between 2007 and 2012. just happened to have good data on those loans. they are on track, after you account for the cost of funds, after you account for the bad debt loss the administrative losses to make $66 billion in profits for the united states government. >> let me ask you today.
do you see hillary clinton, the presumptive nominee, do you see her fighting on student loans? do you see her fighting to stand up to wall street and say, hey, guess what guys? you hedge fund managers you're not going to pay 14% taxes anymore when your secretary's pay twice as much as far at the rate? do you see her doing these sort of things she certain hasn't shown she's willing to do in the past. >> so, look she hasn't declared yet or laid out what she's running on and i think that's what we need to see, but i want to be clear. i think this is what everybody should be talking about. democrat or republican. >> will you push her? press her? >> i'm going to push everybody. do i not look like i'm not going to push? >> a leading question and i knew the answer. straight out of "matlock." my apologies. >> i see your intensity. people translate that differently and i'm encouraging more women to be like elizabeth, to be passionate intense, engaged. excuse me, maybe even aggressive about something, and i really
appreciate that in you, which is why you're keynoting the april 10th "know your value" event. curious, remember that time warren buffett suggested you should be less angry? >> yeah, i do. >> what did you think of that? angry i think applies, too. we can be a little angry feeling intense without that being a steer oh type stereotype. >> load up on risk, breaking the economy, bailed out by the taxpayers, then come back and spend more than $1 million a day in order to fight financial reforms, and then turn around and complain that oh there's too much regulation. even though their profits have gone through the roof. >> by the way, talk about warren buffett and how well the bailout was of the big banks for warren buffett. he invested low. he threw a lot of money into goldman sachs, and you know what? if goldman sachs had actually -- the thing i still don't understand and again i don't think it's a republican issue or a democratic issue.
i think it's wrong that we as a nation preach the greatness of capitalism to single mothers, and we practice socialism with the biggest banks, and that's what we did and warren buffett made billions of dollars off of that. >> what has sitting by gotten us? i'll tell you. it's gotten more kids mired in debt. i started the student loan fight over a year ago. and do you know what's happened in the last year? more than a million new kids are now in trouble on their student loans. >> unbelievable. >> there is an additional $100 billion in student loan debt since this fight started. so should we get amped up on this? should we be fighting back? you bet we should. >> exactly. and sitting by for women has gotten us less opportunity and the less pay. elizabeth warren the book "a fighting chance" now out in paperback. senator elizabeth warren. thank you. see you soon. >> thank you. with hyaluronic acid
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it's 35 past the hour. it's time now for "business before the bell" with c nbc's sara eisen. new numbers out about private sector jobs. what are we seeing? >> disappointing numbers, have to tell you, on the jobs market this morning. ed p is the report private sector added 189,000 jobs in the month of march. economists looking for a number well above 200,000. this was disappointing. break it down in terms of small, medium and large firms that were hiring most job growth came from small business and not large business. two reasons potentially for why this happened in the month, number one very cold weather. so that tends to hurt economic factor and a strong dollar hurting bigger firms that do business overseas.
potentially temporary phenomenon here. we'll see what happens friday as the big government jobs report. also see what happens in terms of the economy with auto sales, trickling out for month of march all day today from the big automakers and economists say they should be strong. auto sales has ban bright spot in this economy. also want to mention more big ceo powerful ceos speaking out against the indiana law for religious freedom and against discrimination. two biggies overnight. one from nike saying the law was bad for customers, bad for business, bad for society. society as a whole and walmart ceo speaking out against similar legislation in arkansas pleading with the governor veto that. clearly an issue for big business not just a social and civil rights issue and then if you see the green on the floor behind me, there's a public debut from godaddy, you may know from the racy super bowl ads they had the supermodel also
danica patrick of nascar who will be here at the new york stock exchange today. traders are excited. >> sure they are. that will be fun. sara eisen, thank you very much. joining us on-set the chairman of the senate republican conference republican senator john thune of south dack. no breaking the nurn cherfurniture. this is my table. joe actually designed it. >> i did. >> as you know it's sort of -- you know -- t. is. thank you, joe. >> very delicate. >> good to have you in the studio. start with the iran negotiations, which are going into an extra day. is that hopeful to you? >> well, i think that, you know obviously the extent of the deadline, not sure how to interpret that other than they haven't been able to get where we need to go. i look at these negotiations, where i think of the american people following this we started out here. they started out here. we keep moving in their direction on almost every issue. and -- >> senator give me specifics on
that. >> centrifuges, stockpiles duration of the deal. you know you look what the discussions were early on, joe, and on point by point seems like we have given up more and more ground. >> i only ask you this question because people ask me this question. when i say people i really mean mika. how do you know what's in the deal? calling benjamin netanyahu? >> not had conversation directly with the prime minister. >> by the way, that's what she says to me. how does netanyahu know when nobody else does? are you assuming things that are in the deal are in the deal? >> a lot is based on reporting. look at -- assuming the reporting is accurate i think a lot of the particulars of the deal seem to be shifting increasingly in the direction of the iranians. >> is there a deal they could have with iran you would be comfortable with? frankly it's sort of like those old deals with the soviet union. i couldn't think of a deal i would be comfortable with. >> i think that most of us want to see us prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. that's the deal that we would be comfortable with.
>> have you been satisfied with the level of back and forth between the senate and the administration with regard to the parameters of this deal? >> i think i would say, mike the concern we've had is that the administration seems to be kind of going around the congress on this. and more recently talking about actually going to the u.n. which i think is crazy, and cutting congress out. it's not that congress you know, that it's personal to us but we represent the voices of the american people and the american people are concerned about this. >> with all due respect as 47 senators pointed out you all will have your say. an awkward question say it for transparency but benjamin netanyahu and speaker boehner had a joint press conference and netanyahu basically ripped this deal to shreds. do you think that's appropriate right now? would you do that if were you speaker? >> i think the -- you're talking be a the prime minister did that. >> there's a whole lot of politics going on right here. he's taking this trip at this time and standing with him during this press conference.
do you think that's really helpful? >> i think it's a really important alliance, and i think that probably what the speaker was trying to reinforce is that americans, at least as he represents the americans, as speaker of the house are very much supportive of israel. israel feels very threatened, of course surrounded by iranians on so many levels and very very concerned about them ending up with the ability to break out towards a nuclear capability in a short period of time. >> you know, mike, usually when people say, the american people want this the american people want that i'm skeptical. in this case where the senator talks about what the american people want, you can look at the polls, a fascinating poll movement going back and forth on a deal with iran whether they -- i saw something this morning and i want to ask you, mike and then we'll throw it to everybody else. i saw a poll this morning that said support for a two-state solution between israel and the palestinians is like something like a 20-year, 25-year low?
why is that? >> well i think most americans value our relationship with israel and recognize the fact that israel is the one democratic ally we have in that region of the world, and today a region that is enflamed with war, surrounding israel. they know israel is constantly under threat and that we are negotiating. i think we ought to negotiate with other nations whose soul desire eradicate the state of israel. >> a gallup poll, fascinating. an overreach by some in the mediaened the white house. >> you're seeing a historical level of cooperation between israelis and the neighborhood. the saudis egyptians, jordanians, all of whom perceive this threat from iran to be the greatest threat they face. on the two-state solution the thing that i think most americans get about this is it's hard to negotiate, and i think most support that but hard to
negotiate with people who don't believe you have a right to exist and who have called for your eradication. so i think the american people are pretty perceptive when it comes to what's going on in that region of the world. >> seems to me, and i understand understand i definitely understand the effort to show our unity with this role and even do that symbolically have trips, gestures but because there's such a rift with the white house and the republicans it seems like this is almost counterproductive in terms of some of the actions of boehner and his sort of group that has been coalescing with benjamin netanyahu at this time when there's such a rift with the white house. does that make sense? the dynamics? >> in view of your show mika i know that you're strongly -- >> yeah, did you sort through that? how did you decode that? >> no. but i really do think -- and i thought whether you agreed with the circumstances surrounding the prime minister's visit to congress the speech was compelling and pervasive,
because it reminded people about the very perilous and dangerous situation that the israelis are in and i think thz a kinship between the united states and israel for so many reasons and i think that the speaker and others who have tried to demonstrate that, express that simply pointing that out. >> back in the majority. how frustrating is that? >> you know, in the senate it's hard -- >> doesn't really mean much. does it? >> until you get to 60. we have to have cooperation from democrats to get anything done and i hope we can find that because there are a number of good governance things. people, the american people want results. >> are they more likely to get results with chuck schumer leading the democrats instead of harry reid? >> i've had good experience working with chuck schumer. a guy that likes to get things done, make deal. whether or not that changes when he becomes leader remains to be seen. he's a guy we can do business with so i have hopes. >> senator john thune, thank you very much. tell brittany i said hello. she's fabulous. his daughter. didn't even break anything.
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popeye's louisiana kitchen cheryl bachelder author of the book "dare to serve: how to drive superior results by serving others." i told her, if you brought the fried chicken i would eat the whole box and then you brought out the biscuits. i have to have control. >> it's breakfast. >> i love your story. a remarkable business turnaround or jump ahead. tell us exactly -- give us the numbers and be bold. be aggressive, and sell yourself. what do you do here? >> well, in is has been a very exciting turnaround. we've always had a great plan but in 2007 it had gotten tired. the sales had been down for seven years. the franchisees were suffering from a performance standpoint. so we decided there was no better time from a grand experiment in leadership and decided to be different. chose a very bold destination. we said we'd increase sales 30%, profits 40% and mark share 50%. that might have sounded crazy at the time. >> does sound crazy. how do you do that?
>> today we've actually done it. that's what make it is a good story. we chose first to create a strategic plan as you could expect. pillars of what make a great quick restaurant service successful. we said our success will be measured by their success. that, i think, was the turning point in the success. >> whose ideas in shifts of strategy? >> a leadership team of seven executives that came together in a room and basically put on the wall the kind of leaders we treasurered in our careers and the kind of leaders we found difficult to work for and said we want to be a leader that the people are encouraged and set up for success for. >> some of those leaders, who are they for you? >> who are my favorite leaders? in my career i got the opportunity to work for lou gerstner. and nabisco where we met. a chance to work with almond
lewis at kmart and potbelly. >> for people who don't know these people what were their traits and characteristics. >> lou, a smart visionary and married it with principles. the first principle he had the marketplace will drive everything we do. the last one, we will act with integrity in everything we do. i learned with him the balance between strategy and principles and then with owen lewis, who i worked with at young brands i really learned how to treat people with immense respect and dignity and lift them up in their careers as a strategy to perform for the company. >> so franchise growth and both profits and everything tell me about the demographic of popeye's. what demographic is your biggest? tell me by region where you're doing the best. >> you know most people think we're a southeast brand. we're actually a very national brand with 48 states in 26 countries. our customer is the middle class
customer that has a very busy life kids two jobs very active. >> that's us except we have 47 kids. very active life. >> so we fit in their active life and are food that you don't make at home. i mean everybody remembers their grandmother making this kind of food but nobody does this today. and to have food that's marinated 12 hours in spices and cooked fresh. >> yul.m. i want to ask you about the healthy version. you have one. i see you beautifully talking about other leaders. i'd like you to talk about yourself, because a lot of people are crediting you, and you were fired from kfc. you have a story of you know of kind of having some downs and then some great highs. >> right, and for being responsible for these numbers. for these profits. are you not? >> well absolutely. and i'm very proud of what we've accomplished at popeye's. for me personally in has been the career opportunity ar lifetime. i've been humbled by breast cancer, by getting fired.
i think great leaders have been humbled by trials and that's what makes you strong and what gives you the purpose and principles to do what you think is important to do. so i never would be the leader i am today without those difficulties. >> oh -- everyone always says when you get fired it's the best thing that ever happened to you. it doesn't feel that way, though, when it happens, right? >> that's true. >> it does not feel that way. mike. >> when did you get fired, how was it and how long did it take to recover your dignity and drive? >> fall of 2001 breast cancer. fall of 2003 lost my favorite job. so both of those were very formative for me. humbling to be sure. loss of confidence for a time. >> sure. >> out of that comes rigorous thought about who am i and what do i want to be? today my principle is inspire purpose-driven leaders who exhibit character and competence in all of their lives, and today i get such joy from my leadership and the opportunity i have to serve, but i wouldn't be there without those trials. >> so cheryl vie to goi have to go.
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we have in america today many, many states, i don't know the exact number. there's some big highlights there. >> come on. stop it. >> so a lot learned today. what did you learn? >> i'm going to try the healthier portions at popeye's. i'm impressed with that ceo, cheryl. fantastic. great story. >> a certain german airline, especially the part about being fired and fighting cancer. >> makes it all -- >> i learned that mike pence's difficulties in indiana and perhaps the republican party's difficulties with the issue extend far beyond indiana. nascar nascar has come out against what the indiana legislature has done. >> okay. >> nascar. >> you want to talk about how much america has changed culturally over the past decade i think you look at what nascar's done look at what
naacp, ncaa has done walmart. >> walmart. >> think about that. >> the heart of america, and they're just saying no to what's going on in indiana. >> it's if way too early what time is it? >> it's "morning joe." but stick around because "the rundown"'s next. and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. developing now on "the rundown," the ceo of lufthansa this morning refusing to answer questions about just how much the airline knew about the mental health of the copilot suspected of deliberately crashing a passenger plane into the french alps. on tuesday, lufthansa, which owns germanwings, revealed andreas lubitz suffered severe depression in 2009 but was still cleared to fly. the head of the two airlines visiting the crash site laying flowers to remember all those who died in the crash more than a week ago.