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pocket but chris hayes is up next. . >> tonight on "all in,. >> my son, seth signed the petition asking me dad the governor to veto this bill. >> a republican governor tries a new attack in the religious freedom fight. he may have learned something about the failures in indiana. >> this is not what hoosiers are about. >> then california drought crisis. >> we are standing on dry grass and should be standing in golden snow. >> for the first time the golden
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state gets mandatory restrictions, and they indict a sitting u.s. senator t. secret sources of cash for 2016 campaigns and the next gadget from amazon that could revolutionize shopping. >> you will get new products dloivd your door before you go out and never miss a beat. >> "all in" starts right now. we have a lot of breaking news tonight, including a new federal zooimt dime that can help president obama's iran diplomacy. a governor gave a very unusual address today. hutchinson got caught between republicans pushing one of those liberty bills and big corporations like wal-mart which opposed those bills as anti-gay. he didn't oppose it much instead, he invoked disapproval closer to home. >> there is clearly a generational gap on this issue. my son, seth signed the
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petition asking me dad, the governor to veto this bill. how do we as a state communicate to the world that we are respectful of a diverse work place and we want to be known as a state that does not discriminate but understands tolerance. making the law like the federal law will aid us in that effort in communication, but also it was my original objective from the beginning. >> that's actually a big statement because dad, the governor had previously implied he would sign this very bill. all the major news channels carried that speech there live today which is unusual, of course for arkansas press conferences. it may mean something for important going on here. this may be a returning point in a republican's ability to use these so-called religious freedom bills to authorize what amounts in many people's eyes a discrimination. hutchinson's son responded politically with interesting analysis.
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he said it was bipartisan pressure, not family conversation that was moving his father. quote, i didn't sway my dad, he told the "new york times" today, i think my dad is rethinking this because of the pressure that's coming at him from all sides. as for wal-mart a big part of that pressure the company also responding today saying we commend governor hitchenson for reconsidering the bill. we support the religious freedom and encourage the legislature to understand any legislation does not encourage discrimination. now, all this of course comes just weeks after the governors of arkansas and indiana had been fully behind these religious liberty bills. it guess to show that yeah politics moves pretty slowly until it moves very very quickly. joining me now is charles pierce, a writer at large for esquire magazine an two business people on the forefront of these issues, jay chesh shire and co-owner of vintage vinyl, welcome, everybody. charles, let me start with you and the politics you could get
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whiplash watching some of these republican governors backtrack. >> yeah i think, asa hutchinson did a very smart thing. i think here in indianapolis mike pence can't seem to find the right thing with both hands. when you have exceeded the ncaa and are on the wrong side of the human rights issue from wal-mart and nascar you have to wonder how far from the pack you've strayed. >> jay, what do you think of that and the idea whether it's wal-mart the biggest company around, which has plenty of practices that are controversial in their own right to small businesses this stuff doesn't fly anymore, this is seen as a baseline don't discriminate and don't tell us it's freedom of religion, like people can't follow what's really going on. >>? >> and while this bill protected religious freedoms for all arkansasens that they could use religious freedoms to
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discriminate. it's for a fair and open work place and equitable business environment for all. >> so do you think, though, companies watching this debate unfold small and large want it to end, want this over or this is a chase to plant a flack and establish themselves in a positive light? >> you know i think this is a dance for arkansas businesses to plant that flag in a positive light. simply because businesses are made up of individuals, individuals want to play work and learn in a comfortable viernlt. an environment that they can thrive in. we want arkansas to be that environment. >> and, lou, what do you think? because even as all the progress happens, it's partly a function of the politics and, frankly the attention this has gotten as we have been reporting and pointing out a few weeks ago, this was not the state of play. a lot of these companies weren't out on board and a lot of these states, particularly southern states don't have otherwise, any protections for people who, for example, get fired because of their identity?
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>> which is true in missouri. we have in fact we have three bills in our legislature right now that are promoting this kind of pandering, this anti-gay lgbt pandering. and in my business a small business is really close to the community. i live blocks from my business. my 24 ploy i don't see really reflect the community. so that you're discriminating against your neighbor. it's easier to do it from a large corporate headquarters. it's very difficult to do it when you're standing in a store that hundreds an hundreds of people of every walk of life every ethnicity, every gender come in this morning. >> we have been talking about this lou. it's also weird, it's not something we'll relate to to say i'm thinking about my religious values let me think about trying to draw lines about who i work with in business and public life and i was saying on
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"all in" what kind of marriage do you have in even though some people have a belief that god has a different view of marriage. they can talk about that at their church. let me read to you something the atlantic was pointing out, saying, look both these states are solidly conservative t. travails are the rfra show that public opinion has moved so fast on gay rights in right leaning states and suggest same sex marriage opponents who reviewed religious freedom laws as there best protection against gay marriage will have to look for a novel strategy. i want you to look at that lou, because at a certain point, i think a lot of companies, small and large, are waking up to the fact they are getting pulled along, some right wing groups want to make this the issue when they couldn't win on legislative equality. >> these legislators are pandering on the lowest denominator on the political
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sprek spectrum. they are already being left in the dustment it's obviously the policy the average citizen doesn't really care about the stuff, doesn't want to discriminate against tear neighbor. certainly, in my business as a business person it makes absolutely no sense for me to chase away good customers, for any reason. this is a particularly odious one, it's an attack on their live himself. in that sense, it's completely unamerican. >> where does this go to your perspective? >> well a couple points. this is just they're people who run businesses in this country have enough problems without having to worry about this. in indiana, right now, they're trying to find a way to fix this law without declaring lbgt people a quote/unquote protected class. ari, you are the lawyer.
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i only play one on my block. my understanding is they can't protect local anti-discrimination laws in city towns in indiana unless the state law makes lbgt people protected clachlts that's where the state of play is right here. >> i feel you are throwing a bag at me. i would agree and say that would be the main way to do it. jay, there are other ways you could do it. >> that would be the mane legal way, because we have non-discrimination laws that go by class and say, look you can't fire someone because of tear gender or because they left work for a while to have a child. those are protections we have but not on the identity issue. what do you think of that and where the chamber locally and nationally could help? >> i think the business community recognizes especially in arkansas and all across the country, we want to be known as a state and a countries of opportunity, not intolerance and the business community gets that. we're very appreciative of what the governor did today and what
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our legislative leaders have been asked to do tonight and tomorrow to plant that stake in the ground and show we are for a fair and open and equitable work environment and business environment. >> all right. >> go ahead, quickly. >> well i think there is a further question which is why would part of our political class, why would any of our elected officials want to be associated with this kind of intolerance of a large section of the population and why would any public official want to be associated with denying any citizen the right to access to something as semple as a business? >> building on that ari, you will note that no perspective republican presidential candidate has expressed ambivalence, let alone support for anything except mike pence's position. and i think if the business community really wants to get behind this and create this inclusive environment in which we'll all, you know we'll all prosper and we'll all have opportunity and these phony
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impediments won't get in the way, they can stop the financing of campaigns of people like mike pence. >> that is a big question. jeb bush got out in front of it. it moves so fast. that's something if the chamber is serious about, they should talk to him about it. thank you all for your time tonight. we got another big story coming up. federal prosecutors dieth senator robert menendez today, less than an hour ago, he came out swinging saying he is angry, ready to fight, how it relates to obama's iron deem. that's straight ahead. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping .
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one of president obama's largest second term geels is diplomatic break through with iran is still hanging in the balance. if you follow the news you probably know negotiators have gone into overtime. we just don't know whether that means things are coming together or falling apart. john kerry saying he will stay in switzerland until thursday. russia's foreign minister left again today.
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experts are simply divide on whether all this means diplomats are close to a deal or trying out their last hail mary passes. negotiations appear to have taken a sour turn. they are on shaky town. accusatory statements flew back and forth, they say, as they acknowledged they were working upon the proposals to find out a way out of an impact. if you are wondering if it made today's negotiation look any different, well it's probably safe to say, no, it didn't. ♪ now, that is what's going on over there. back here in the states today one of the president's critics is exiting the foreign relations committee, we are told
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potentially a surprise ending to a very long-standing battle over the president's foreign affairs agenda. it could make any iran deal better to sell here. this senator says they targeted him because of his opposition to the president's iran policies and he's a democrat. >> that fascinating story is up next. one of those guys who just can't stop talking. i was downloading a movie. i was trying to download a movie. i have verizon. i don't. i get that little spinning wheel. download didn't finish. i finished the download. headphones on. and i'm safe. i didn't finish in time. so. many. stories. vo: join us and save without settling. verizon.
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lived under a justice department cloud and today i'm outraged that this cloud has not been lifted. i'm out raged that prosecutors at the justice department were tricked into starting this
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investigation three years ago with false allegations by those who have a political motive to silence me. but i will not be silenced. i am confident at the end of the day i will be vindicated and they will be exposed. >> today federal prosecutors indicted a u.s. senator on bribery charges, the first bribery charges in a generation. they say new jersey senator robert menendez took hundreds of thousands in bribes and gifts from a donor t. indictment paints a picture of extreme luxury and terrible judgment. alleging he took international flights on private jets first class plane trips. use of avila, access to an exclusive do men can resort. a stay at a luxury hotel in paris, meals, golf outing tens of thousands in contributions to a legal defense fund. now, those were the gifts, prosecutors allege menendez paid
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his friends back by using his office. melgen enriching him and influencing the visa proceedings of melgen's foreign girl friends. if convicted, menendez could spend decades in prison. he denies all charges and says nothing about resigning his senate seat at that press conference we showed you today t. senator says he has notified leadership, he will temporarily step down from his crucial post on the foreign relations committee. >> that has major implications on the entire iron debate. in his post menendez was the most powerful in the senate and a huge thorn in the side of president obama's iran diplomacy. he worked with republicans to push sanctions that the white house said could undermine these late stage negotiations and he crossed the president on many other issues. here's another interesting piece. allies of menendez are suggesting that long-running feud is why he was started by
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prosecutors in obama's justice department. that's an explosive charge. though the investigation pre-dates this whole yearn battle. this broke news tonight. no one knows who will become the top democrat on the committee? democrat barbara boxer is next in line. she has committed nothing to this opening. after that, the bottom lean is whichever democrat ends up as the new rachging member of the senate foreign relations committee, it's likely a big boost to this white house's foreign policy agenda. joining me paul butler, a former prosecutor who specializes in these kind of public corruption cases and a middle east specialist under both clinton and bush administrations and co-author after a relevant book "going to tehran." good evening to you both. palm how serious are these charges? >> these are very serious charges. this is a 65-page indictment 14
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counts including bribery. ari, the government almost never charges bribery, because it's so hard to prove. you have to show an explicit agreement the senator used his official duties in exchange for gifts like lavish gifts, campaign contributions, hotel stays, private flights and on a private jet. so usually the government goes for something that's easier to prove. again, this is a competent prosecutor. they won't do this unless they felt they could get a jury of senator menendez peers. >> they said you are allowed to have friends and rich friends that give you stuff. that was the essence of what he previewed as his defense. take a listen paul. >> i'm angry because prosecutors at the justice department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption and have chosen to twist my duties
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as a senator and my friendship into something that is improper. they are dead wrong and i am confident that they will be proven so. >> you prosecutored these kinds of federal corruption cases, how common is that defense, how does it work? >> things are changing. >> that used to be a successful defense. then we saw it didn't work for governor mcdonald in virginia. you know he's on his way to prison. i think what jurors are starting to get is maybe this is how politics used to work back in the day. you scratch my back i scratch yours. it's a new day now, so they're saying there is a line that's crossed when it's not just that it's regular politics to do favors. if you are doing favors it's not because you want to help someone, but because they're giving you money, expensive gifts, roll exrolex watches, $5,000 a night hotel rooms for this senator. jurors are saying that's a
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crime. >> not just that i mean the allegations, that's what they are at this point. the allegations of this indictment are very explicit. it's you scratch my back i will help your former girlfriends get visas. right. i will help you abuse the medicare policy of this nation to enrich yourself very specific details. hillary, i turn to you on the whole other piece of this which is, whatever hams in the case he's incident until proven guilty t. tonight he's stepping off the foreign relations committee where he has been going completely against the president's priorities. what do you think the implications are there, especially if someone like senator carden fails his place? >> i think it could be very significant. the pro-sanctions toppled the islamic republic of iran government. >> that whole group here in washington has been in real disarray since president obama has charged forward, trying to make a deal with the islamic republic of iran.
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the one area where i think they thought they could take the administration and constrain the administration in going forward with iran was a bipartisan support for new sanctions and that bipartisan support was very much dependent on senator menendez, who has always supported the most hawkish of the republican policies on whether it's iran or cuba authorization of military force, a range of issues. with him gone or at least out of commission for a while, it's a tough sell for president obama. at least this is a thorn out of their side. >> what do you make of your knowledge in walk diplomacy of this other charge which we said clearly has thought been substantiated in anyway but is a part of this debate and certainly conservatives online have welcomed it which is this democratic beleaguered senator saying he is improperly targeted by the obama administration. >> i think he's likely to throw the whole kitchen sipping out there so he doesn't go to jail.
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not only do the allegations start before that there has been more than a whisper of this campaign on a range of issues of corruption including a very controversial group that has, had been listed as a terrorist organization that had fought against the iranian government until a group that supported senator menendez was able to essentially, buy themselves out of that designation. i think he is probably looking at a whole can of worms that will work against him. the administration though i think handled him with kit gloves. you can look at that not so much on iran but on cuba. they waited until after the mid-term defeat in november to announce a new policy on cuba so as not to embarrass him, to let him continue to serve with ticket. so i think the facts will show they treated him with respect, but it's his policies both in terms of corruption and hawkist foreign policies that have gotten him in so much trouble. >> the policy announcement timing may fit some of that.
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another story we have been following at night, california is officially in uncharterred territory. in an unprecedented move governor jerry brown ordered mandatory water restrictions
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across the state. we have this report. >> reporter: in the snow starved sierra mountains where this snow packed measuring station should be buried under 5-feet of snow today governor jerry brown made history. >> here in a historic drought and that demands unprecedented action. it's for that reason that i'm initiating an executive order mantateing substantial water reduction across our state. >> the governor says water use must be slashed by 25% because reservoirs are running on empty as seen in this drone video documenting bone dry record breaking conditions. nasa says this epic drought now affects 64 million americans across the west. scientists call what's happening here unprecedented. >> it's very likely the single worst drought of the last 150 years possibly approaching the
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worst drought of the last 5,000 to 100 years. >> reporter: the governor says californians need to change the way they live. in a state with one.5 million swimming pools and sprawling growth, that won't be easy. businesses like this defy mcdonald for wasting water. now they're installing water metres so-called electronic ankle bracelets to monitor consumption. >> they monitor, you can't hide. >> reporter: fallout from this crippling crisis will batter the most spectacular sites. the ribbons of white at yosemite national park will turn to a trickle by june. some rivers will soon become creeks. even trees are dyeing. >> this is the new normal. we'll learn how to cope with it. >> reporter: while the governor is tonight optimistically hoping californians will reduce near
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water use by 25%. nothing is going to help these reservoirs except for rainfall and snowfall. >> that simply isn't going to happen. many tonight are wishing the governor did more ordering mandatory water rationing. >> that also isn't going to happen. the governor saying he is doing all he can for right now. >> thanks to miguel for that report. all in america is heading west later this month to discover the shortage in california. stay tuned for details on that. now, are these politicians who haven't actually said they're running for president but are raising money leak they are and actually doing something potentially illegal in that process? we have a report on that straight ahead. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination.
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federal law. for now he's a non-candidate and he can raise money for his right to rise super pack. he will still exist between super pack and candidate. it is drawing scrutiny from watchdog groups. they filed an sec complaints against him and governor scott walker and rick santorum and o'malley alleging they are using the super packs to skirt federal law for candidates who are testing the water they call it to follow a stricter contribution. jeb bush may have found another way to keep all the money coming in with very little oversight. the washington post reporting a bush allie established a non-profit called the right to rise policy solutions, they can accept unlimited funds from completely anonymous donors. a bush spokesperson told them hey, these questions are premature and speculative as
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wait for it governor bush is not a candidate for office at this time. joining me now, a nationally syndicated radio host richard fowler. good evening. >> good evening. >> nick let's start with a lot of emphasis on the idea you are not quite officially technically a candidate. why is that so important under these rules? >> all these candidates are thinking ahead when they actually do declare. the ones that get in the race. the sec looks at what you were doing before you got fit race. if you were testing the waters you have to have abided by the same rules as if you were a candidate. >> as if you were a candidate. >> so if you are seen to be testing the waters before you actually declare and as part of that you were doing things illegal for a candidate like asking for $100 grand from a donor, that's against the law. all these candidates have to pretend when they go to iowa nampb and go to these fund raisers and talk to donors they
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aren't aching anything resembling a campaign for are the. >> it's so weird, it's like so many parts of politics are just you know bs. so it's not surprising that some of the political regulations would appeal to people like bs. if you have a learner's permit and you are supposed to follow the rules of the road here why is it so important to pretend you are fought a candidate and get around them? what do you make of it and the larger consequences here for democracy? >> i think all americans should the disgusted by these types of policies put forward in the past couple years. once again, it creates an ideal where there is a two class system. there are the haves, they can continue to change the politics to change laws and the have nots. they can't influence politicians. they can't vote. and now they really don't have a say in the game. they don't know these candidates are running, because the primary is happening before the primary. now it's a money grab at best. >> yeah nick speak to that. some people would say, oh i
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thought there were no rules left. so this is one of the real rules about the coordination thing and yet i think if you were watching this at home okay great, they found another thing around it. >> the whole point of the super packs is you are fought supposed to be able to ask for huge checks if you are a candidate for office. that's supposed to be the thing you can't do. by using this end run. by pretending you are not actually a candidate even when you are, can you do a variety of things like asking for that money that would normally be against the law. >> do you think, we have been covering tonight robert menendez's diernlths gifts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars he directly receives so that's bribery. that's traditional bribery. >> there is also a new kind of bribery, we are seeing in the men menendez case in part by giving him campaign contributions, there is a limit to how much you can give him or a his defense fund or his state party. but there is no limit to what you can give to a super pack and
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then pledge that that money has to go help him in his race. that's legal. that's what happened here. this guy gave $600,000 $600,000 to a super pack said this money is to help the senator in his race. that's legal and that was a part of the favors he was doing for menendez allegedly in exchange for policying as on a billing dispute. >> richard, what do you think of the politics of this? because there have been candidates like john mccain, to be fair and give him credit for some of his campaign finance reforms. russ feingold, if you go back away people who actually ran on this and said you know what let's be realistic. we're not changing the rules overnight. we can try to create a political cause for this run away fund raising and spending. i'm not seeing that really on either side though so far. what do you think of the politics of trying to create a cost for this?
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>> i think nothing gets done on that dome behind me here's the thing, this cloud of money exists over that capital building. they all understand the more money they raise the better off they are in their next election. the only candidate in this race you can give props to is ted cruz, who actually announced, he can no longer accept soft money. all the other candidates are taking money in hand over fist they are basically influenced by rich folks to benefit rich folks an not poor folks. i think all americans at home should be downright alarmed. >> nick, you know richard makes a point about ted cruz. a lot of times we tend to personalize these things they say, oh ted cruz was in a rush. they're making it about his personality, when in fact you wanted to be cynical and look at ted cruz you'd say, well, this is someone who doesn't have that kind of jeb bush bungleer money coming in so he can get in early, focus on whatever he can get from grass roots, sort of the howard dean model. he's not giving anything up on
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the other side. do you think that's fair way to read the calculus? >> i think that has to be a part of it. he certainly has his big donor money who love him. he will not be in the beb jeb bush league. what do you do? you go first and stake-out a position to the alternative to jeb bush raise grass roots money. you said you are not giving up time with donors those donors are not backing you in the first place. >> i got to agree with nick on this one at the end of the day, ted cruz is saying this election is about ideals. let me convince donors about the ideals and give me a little under $3,000 and let's build a grass roots campaign. all the other candidates are saying let's copy and paeft them into what my agenda looks like when i run for president. that's bad for the american people. this will not be about how much money you can raise. it will be how much ends meet at
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the kitchen table t. only candidates that can talk about that win this election. unless we stop more people from voting. >> thank you both. appreciate it. in other news of a different sort. there was a big new product announcement yesterday for something so cool that some people actually thought at first it was an april fool's joke. that's ahead. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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. >> it is april's fools day. we don't have any practical jokes for you tonight. this is a news broadcast, after all t. internet has been full of pranks today, comedian john oliver not a fan. >> anyone who claims to be excited for april fool's day is probably a sociopath. what they're really saying is i cannot wait to hurt the people close to me. i can't wait. >> there were hurtful pranks including scott walker promising a big announcement presumably a campaign. then tweeting he is supporting his home state basketball game in the final four with the hashtag april fools. there were jokes about animals and those so-called selfie sticks where you can take a picture of yourself with a phone. petcorinne combined the two with a selfie stick for dogs. while the clothing company ms. moose claemd it envented selfies for humans. >> no matter where you go are
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you always camera ready, insert it and ratz with the tap of your toe to take the photo. >> it does look like sol things the kids would do. the do it yourself crafting site darby launched what it called crafting or crafting for pets. we mentioned this one so we can show you this picture of a cat sewing. look at that. who needs the internet? you have msnbc. there is a cat sewing. groupon introduced the world to a cat driver gruber. they sent past customers an their e-mail of $3,500 of miniature horse product. they include a link to a live feed of this supposed horse with the words april fool's stamped on it. who doesn't love something they didn't order and the dating lynnge unleashed an april fool's version for toddlers who want to meet mature looking play dates.
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>> can i see your i.d.s, please. >> i'm 5-years-old. >> i'm 4-years-old. >> and i'm done with that video. now, there were a on the of these today, google allowed you to turn google map into an onion. they told viewers about a new app that works while you sleep t. car rental alamo claims it was renting out monster trucks. we are all caught up on that. but when we return we will talk to you about a new product just announced that is real that actually a lot of people to the was an april fool's prank but which might actually be the future. that's ahead.
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or i guess potentially anything without having to logon to a computer, or even grabbing year credit card. it is a concrete example of what many futurists call the internet of fix. good evening, gentlemen. >> good evening. >> sam, what do you make of this? >> you know, i showed my daughter that video. and she said, oh, that's cool. i said, look around the kitchen. think about many buttons we would have to have around here. she said that doesn't seem to make any sense. my sense is that this is a -- there's probably an agenda here. but i don't think there's any sense this is going to be widely adopted. >> you're saying too many buttons, if it's one is its own product. >> i guess i like the idea of the convenience. but i remember back when they were rolling out cable for the first time and talking about inventing products, and being able to sit there on your wired cable remote, and buying the product.
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i mean, i just -- i don't think this is something we're going to see widely adopted in the long run. it's fun to talk about. >> max, is this a huge trend? >> i think it's pretty exciting and interesting in terms of pushing the technology. it's certainly a solution in search of a problem. it's something you didn't know you needed because you absolutely don't need it and it in no way, shape or form doesn't mean you won't need it. part of the promise and excitement of silicon valley is exciting new things. what makes money is things that solve problems for things that don't exist for people who maybe want to buy more stuff. or do a little more stretching before yoga. >> like detergent, not stuff you have to choose all the time. i will tell you, sam, i buy my razors online, in bulk, because they're just cheaper than buying them in new york city. one time i got an automated thing from one of the companies saying, you can just give us your credit card and we'll send
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you out another round. and i did. later afterwards, i was thinking about the fact that, okay, so, what, the razors keep coming to the house forever, automated until i die? it was just sort of a depressing thought in a way. i actually canceled that order, automation just felt like too much. >> i think it works for some people. to a certain extent, what this one-touch button thing is going to be is about data, some level we talked about, and some ways it seems like it's sort of a neilsen ratings. we're going to get data from the certain group of people for early adapters to this technology. we're either going to be able to sell it or roll it back into what we're doing. amazon, you know, and i should say that i am an amazon affiliate. i raise money via my podcast that way. but that said amazon's business practices are a little bit big footy. not to mention their labor practices. but i'm not convinced that a lot
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of this has to do with squeezing other people out of business, trapping sort of the consumer. and in some ways, the suppliers and the brands. >> max, that's the other piece of this, right, when the internet started out, it was like, oh, my god, you can get everything everywhere. and this concept they call the wall garden that they used to make fun of. and people used to make fun of the old aol. you have a couple of little buttons so it shrinks it down to a manageable experience. it seems like when you look at the popularity of social networks, sites like buzz feed, which is say, you don't need to look around the internet, we have it all right here for you, this is a commercial version of that that could be very profitable, but ultimately means a couple of platforms will decide what you really need to keep reupping. >> once apple became the $800 billion proof that it works, especially if they're exclusive, that you can charge a lot inside that walled garden, everybody wanted in. there's a few big companies, microsoft, google, apple, amazon, soup to nuts, cradle to grave, and part of what amazon is doing is saying hey, you
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never have to go to the store. actually, your entire house is the store, you pay for the lighting, the heat, the electricity and you never leave the store. whose store? my store. if i get it right, it's a genius move. either way, i think we're just proving right now that they get a couple hundred million dollars worth of free publicity already. and it hasn't really launched outside of some test marketing in san francisco and seattle. >> their argument would be okay, you go to the store less. so you go on and live the rest of your life more. spend more time with your family. go to other places that might have more personal or cultural significance for you than a big box store. >> you know i think most of the people who would use this anyway is they go online to buy their stuff in the first place. i think it's about getting the immediate data. exactly when do people run out of a product. exactly at what point do they look at how much they have. and decide to buy it. because you get that, the sort of immediate response. this is like sort of the -- you're at the checkout counter and looking at the trashy magazines or a piece of gum.
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it gives some very precise data about the, i guess the reordering habits for some common goods. so i don't know. i'm not so -- i don't feel bad about not going to a box store or anywhere else to buy my detergent. still, seems a little bit amazing. >> look, i think everything out of the service is the model in wall street. it takes the chunkiness out of commerce. and it makes it possible to plan and maximize profit. so everyone wants everything to be a subscription service. they want to gather data on your behavior and sell that while they sell something to you, and they want it to be mindless and self-repeating. your story about the razors, by the way, they don't stop when you die, they stop when your credit card fails. when the money runs out, not when the customer runs out. >> so you feel there's something there. >> that's right. >> sam and maxwell, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. that's our show for tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> i'm canceling the razor of the month club that i was planning on getting you.
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i didn't know it would creep you out so much. i meant it in the best possible way. thanks, man. >> thank you. thank you for joining us this hour. did you know that there is a bill and hillary clinton national airport? it is not an international airport, it is just a national airport. so only domestic flights. but it already exists. the bill and hillary clinton national airport is right on the banks of the arkansas river. conveniently located in downtown little rock. which is the state capital of arkansas. and little rock, arkansas, is a nice place. it has the state capital. it has the bill clinton presidential library, and presidential complex thing, which is a big thing. the convenient little downtown airport. i was in downtown little rock the night the house of representatives first passed obamacare. and i watched that vote on c-span in a little rock bar while eating really excellent arkansas barbecue. i can attest, little rock is

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