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ted cruz and marco rubio. i'm not sure what kind of dynamics would be thrown into the loop there. he does support comprehensive immigration reform. >> that's all for "now." good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. tonight, nuclear deal rebuke. >> obama is a flawed negotiator. his foreign policy has failed on multiple fronts. >> it is a good deal even if iran doesn't change at all. >> plus the religious freedom debate. >> tolerance is a two-way street. >> bush marked hispanic in the field labeled race/ethnicity. >> and body image backlash. >> here are two things that don't go together -- golf and
side boob. >> thanks for watching. president obama, it's the selling season. he's trying harder than ever to sell the iranian nuclear deal to the american people and it seems to me this country is quickly coming to a crossroads. is it war or is it peace? is it an opportunity or is it just so horrible because this president is involved in it? this is a make or break moment for our country. we didn't think that before we went into iran. we thought no problem. we're going to handle this deal. in fact they're going to treat us as liberators. you know the rest of the story. do we really know what the outcome is going to be if we don't have a good chance at this deal? this america's best option to avoid another costly war in the middle east. in the face of mounting criticism from israel and the republican party, president
obama defended the deal on sunday. >> there's no option to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon that will be more effective than the diplomatic initiative and framework that we have put forward and that's demonstrable. we know a military strike or a series of military strikes can set back iran's nuclear program for a period of time but will prompt iran to rush towards a bomb. >> so what is the republican plan other than to be against this president? what is the republican plan to make sure that we are not nuked? to make sure our neighbors aren't nuked? what is it? more sanctions, international intervention, is there a guarantee that that's going to work? it seems to me that the republicans simply don't want to exhaust every effort for peace. the president is sticking by the agreement because he claims it is a solid deal.
can we give him the benefit of the doubt? oh no. can't do that. the tentative deal limits iran to 5,000 centrifuges. it stops them from enriching uranium and it provides intensive, unprecedented inspections, unlike anything we've had before. overall, the deal has a one year break-out period for iran to get a bomb if they break the rules. where's the downside of this? do we not have the military ability to react if something goes wrong? president obama says the israelis have every right to be concerned about iran. the president said if iran doesn't change every option is on the table. >> our deterrence capabilities stays in place. it's not as if in all these conversations, i'm leaving all my rifles at the door.
we're walking these negotiations and everybody knows that we've got the most fire power and we're not relinquishing our capacity to defend ourselves or our allies. >> easily predicted prime minister of israeli benjamin netanyahu, he's not buying any of this. there's a pattern to this. you can go back before the iraq war and find more of the same kind of audio. he made the round on sunday shows voicing opposition. >> this can backfire on him. i wish that he would contain himself because he has put out no real alternative. in his speech to the congress, no real alternative. since then no real alternative. >> the only alternative gnat netanyahu has is more sanctions
and air strikes. sanctions will not stop iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. the republicans are lining up in opposition like they always do. they are united stronger than ever against this deal because obama is going to have his name to it. >> obama is a flawed negotiator. his foreign policy has failed on multiple fronts. nobody in the region trusts him. the iranians do not fear or respect him, so he'll never be able to get the best deal. the best deal i think comes with a new president. hillary clinton would do better. everybody on our side except maybe rand paul could do better. keeping the interim deal in place that's been fairly successful and have a new crack at it with a new president that doesn't have the baggage of obama. >> keyword in that sound byte fear. the republicans can't do anything without fear. the theme of it all is anybody
but obama. senator bob corker of tennessee, who is the chairman of the foreign relations committee, introduced legislation that would block sanctions from being lifted on iran for 60 days while iran reviews the deal. he's working hard to get the 67 votes needed for a veto override. >> i don't know whether we have 67 votes or not. if every republican supports it we'll see how that all shapes out. we have 64 or 65 today. i've talked to numbers of democrats over the weekend and i think there are many more that are considering this. i think the american people want the united states senate to go through this deal. >> the american people want the congress to do what? how about go into work? since corker is so concerned about what the american people want, here are the latest
numbers. 59% of americans support a plan to lift sanctions on iran in exchange for new limits on its nuclear problem. the political element in all of this is this is back to obama. this is back to a pure hatred for the president. if president obama were able to do something to bring a real truth to fruition when it comes to nuclear weapons with the iranians, it would be too historic for the republicans to stomach it. it would be too impactful for them to politically overcome. they certainly can't allow this president to have that kind of success. we have health care under him. he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do back on the campaign trail in 2007 and the republicans are hell bent for an election that they're not going to let him accomplish it. that's what this is about.
give us a plan. give us plan b if you don't like what john kerry and the negotiating team and president obama have put on the table to bring the iranians this close. why didn't the democrats do this reagan when he was talking to gorbachev? that's because they were for america. here's the question. will republicans be able to stop the nuclear agreement with iran? what you have to do is go to pulse dot msnbc.com/ed. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. we think you're going to like our new system in a big way. let me bring in my guests. "the nation" is out with their 150th issue on newsstands right
now. congratulations. always great work. >> thank you. >> great to have you with us tonight. road maptrinaeekatrina. >> i think we've seen that the hard liners, both here and iran are in alliance to subvert and sabotage this deal. your numbers in the polls showing an overwhelming majority of americans support a solution is very important because the president is going to have to sell this to not only the american people, but to the republicans, who as you said have so polluted this issue, have made the atmosphere so toxic, that it is about undermining anything the president does and beyond that ed they have decided the tough principled diplomacy, which is an important asset and factor in
any deal in american history con constitutes appeasement. i think he will veto the republican's attempts to sabotage this. because israel and iran have become such partisan issues don't forget the money point into the coffers of tim cotton and corker. it's going to be tough for those few democrats that might want to step back and blow up this deal. >> there's no upside to blowing up an opportunity for peace. don't forget the american people have a play in all of this. there's going to be another election and there's going to be a memory like an elephant when it comes to remembering who soured this deal. i think the president needs to continue to explain to the american people and get the people behind him more and more to make sure this goes through. if he loses the people he loses
the deal. >> i totally agree. what you're looking at when you look at the republicans right now and their allies the hard line allies around the world in the middle east is a politics. they're playing a politics of false triumphalism infused with fear and paranoia, and i think that is very dangerous. fear can move emotion. the president needs to get out there and explain why this benefits the american people and why we don't want another disaster like iraq. so i think a selling job -- but the media plays a role here too, ed. netanyahu took john mccain's place on all three of the sunday shows. where the non-proliferation experts? why don't we hear from them? republicans who deny there's a climate crisis aren't going to listen to science and
non-proliferation experts, but i think it is vital. selling is vital to a good deal. >> i agree. always a pleasure. thanks so much. for more let me bring in steve clemons, editor at large for "the atlantic," and a columnist for "the daily beast." what the chances the republicans can squash this deal as you see it? >> i think bob corker if he gets the number of senators that he thinks he is on the verge of can gum up the works. i think it is a mistake to look at the gop as a monolith here. this is too strategic inflection point for the united states. i know it is not often thought of but there are many u.s. senators, republican and democrat, that do read the fine print. they think about these things. you have others who just don't
necessarily bandwagon along with everyone. i'm more hopeful than most that this actually doesn't go as far into the partisan camp that many people think it will. >> if you want to stand with lindsey graham and john mccain and you're a democrat and you want to turn on this president, as successful as he has been with foreign policy, maybe the democrats who aren't sold on this deal ought to step up with their own plan. i don't hear anybody talking about that. what do they want? this means they're against john kerry too. did they not support him in 2004? he campaigned on this as well. where are these democrats right now? why can't they stand with the president? >> obviously self-interest of a politician will never be yurnds underestimated. it's remarkable, though. let's be honest. can you remember a foreign leader appealing to the american
people directly to undermine the president of the united states on an issue of national security? just to be clear, i interviewed john carson. he made it clear that democrats and republicans basically agree iran should not get a nuclear bomb. the question is how do we prechbt prevent that. 45% of republicans think we should do military action now. >> that's the scary thing. >> that's very scary and that's part of the beast they're feeding. >> that's the fear card right there. >> right. i think the other thing where the democrats are failing in a big way is if you look back to the old soviet arms control treaties, they anticipated treating. they were no love fest documents, just like this
u.s.-iran frakmework is not a love fest with iran. it provides a pathway to go exactly to where republicans want to go which is more sanctions and tough treatment and hard conflict. that's what missing. many democrats are not understanding this is a tough as steel effort to try to redirect iran and its intentions. it's not softness behind this treaty. it is tough thinking and tough muscle. >> no doubt. gentlemen, great to have you with us. appreciate your time tonight. these democrats out there who don't want to stand with the president, they out to put out a position statement. what would you have done to bring us to these crossroads?
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forced to print god hates fags for the westboro baptist church? should the government force you to do that? >> so mr. santorum is discrimination a two-way street also? santorum thinks that religious freedom trumps everything even if it discriminates against customers and other americans. the owners of the indiana pizza shop said they would refuse to cater a gay wedding. they had to close their doors. a cake shop in florida refused to write an anti-gay message on one of their desserts and it is receiving threats. the north dakota legislature decided not to include sexual orientation and gender into their state human rights act. a fargo coffee shop said it will
refuse service to those politicians who upheld that legislation. republican presidential contenders are in a tight spot over this religious freedom conversation going on. most came out in support of indiana's original law. after the backlash they're struggling to find footing. joining me tonight mike rogers and dr. michael eric dyson. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. mike you first. it sounds like senator santorum -- he's been out of the senate for a long time but obviously he still wants to run the country. you can do anything you want in society to discriminate against anybody if your faith calls for it. now is that the way the railroad is supposed to be run? >> i always say to people whatever rick santorum says you can be sure the other side is the correct side of history. he wants to create these canards
that folks in the media have been talking about. this isn't what they really should be addressing. it's not a matter of printing hateful messages on posters. this is a matter of who deserves and doesn't deserve discrimination in the united states today. it's not about hateful words on posters, which is the kind of manipulation rick santorum will use to confuse folks on the real message. >> dr. dyson, i see a real parallel here. a lot of their conversation is rooted in the roots of racism. other folks are other than what we are, so we're right and they're wrong and they shouldn't have the same freedoms. that really is what i see this argument coming down to. what's your take on it? >> i think you're absolutely right, ed. there's no doubt that the history of struggle in the
difference of this country revolves around the civil rights movement in this country. the lesbians and gays and transgendered are appealing to that very principle of defending yourself against the bigotry of the mainstream. we have to be explicit. you don't have to right to discriminate against me. your freedom of religion ends at the line of the state where the state protects all people who may not subscribe to a particular religion hence the establishment clause in the constitution that provides for all believers and non-believers to have the same sway in the public sphere. your religion cannot be the dictate of what happens in the
secular arena. we have to make a distinction between the civil rights movement and those like rick santorum who claim they are the legacy of that movement. martin luther king used his christian religion to make this a just nation. that means standing against the bigot beliefs of other religions. >> mike what words leave these political conservatives? it is as if they have no concern whatsoever over what movement has unfolded in this country and where popular thought is which is based in equality? everything the lgbt community does is based on freedom and equality and opportunity, but
they can't seem to grab onto that because their plastic jesus gets in the way. where does this leave them? >> i think it leaves them in a hard place. they're having a hard time balancing that business opportunity. that opportunity leaves them confused because they have this kind of religious base that is so filled with hate that they'll immediately jump out in front of that first law, yes, yes, yes. they don't realize there's a new generation. there's an awful lot of people on both sides of the aisle, and particularly young people on the republican side who have shifted in droves on this very issue. they're sick and tired of hearing their friends beat up. that's why you saw republican after republican standing up against this insanity as well. >> dr. dyson, let me take this
one step further and maybe a little bit more provocative. if a vowed racist is driving a public bus and decides not to pick up minorities houston, we got a problem. >> absolutely. >> what's the difference between that -- what's the difference between that and what santorum is talking about? let me put it that way. >> i'll give you a very short answer. nothing. there is no difference between that kind of discrimination and bigotry that's being perpetuated now than the bigotry that was perpetuated 50 60 years ago. to make a distinction on a human being based on sex, class, sexual orientation, religion, race ethnicity is unfair. >> thanks so much. coming up next on "the ed show," the latest on "the
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at campuses across the country. after serious doubts about the story emerged, "rolling stone" asked columbia's school of journalism to find out what went wrong. they found the reporter sabrina rubin had a bias towards the victim. the final report says the magazine's failure may have spread the idea that many women invent rape allegations, a fear shared by the head of washington, d.c.'s rape crisis center. >> my message is you aren't alone, we believe you, and we still urge you to come forward and seek support and resources. >> the fraternity plans to sue "rolling stone" as students try to repair the scars left the
university of virginia campus. >> there are hundreds of students that care about this issue and they want this institution to be a national leader in preventing further sexual assaults sonon campus. >> reporter: nobody at the magazine lost their job. >> great to have you with us tonight. it is sad on all accounts. one can only question how hard is it going to be for rape victims in the future to come forward when they're going to be facing such extraordinary strut scrutiny. what's the landscape? >> there's good news and bad news. the bad news is people who i refer to as rape apologists will seize on the journalistic failures that happened with the "rolling stone" article to claim the country is awash in false rape claims. the truth is false rape claims
occur at a far lower rate than false claims of other crimes. robbery is at 10%. the number i have seen for rape claims that turn out to be false is 2%. we know claims of rape are highly reliable. i personally believe jackie. i believe she was subjected to a rape. clearly there were lots of journalistic failures there. the good news is the united states government is taking rape on campus much more seriously. there are dozens of colleges and universities that are being investigated by the department of education on suspicion that they have violated title 9, which guarantees educationally equality for women and the violation of title 9 has to do with the failure to respond to rape on campus, so we do have a large and growing movement to really address rape on campus notwithstanding the "rolling stone" article. >> what has to happened?
>> one of the problems with "rolling stone" article was the gravitational pull to the most salacious, the most sensationalized, the most brutal and upsetting story of a gang rape. i would love to see journalists looking at acquaintance rapes. rape culture in this country does exist. it really can be undone if we look at the less sensational stories. >> what do you think universities have to do moving forward? i mean is this a benchmark moment in this corner of society that needs to be addressed? what can universities do as you see it? >> i think there's one thing the universities can do which is set a goal for themselves in an easy
metric. that is this. does the rape victim get to graduate in four years? we have to flip the current script that is happening on college campuses. right now in the vast majority of the cases it is the rape victim who eventually gets pushed out of her college career. she becomes isolated. her rapist is running around the campus and saying hi to her and intimidating her and she eventually leaves campus. the rapist continues on his four-year career and he graduates on time. what percentage of rape victims on your college campus are graduating on time and what have you done to move that rapist off the college campus? that's an easy thing for college campuses to do if they will. >> good to have you with us tonight. up next the cover of "golf die digest" is opening eyes. stay with us.
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magazine" fitness and power issue caused quite a stir on social media. >> reporter: 20-year-old pro-golfer lexi is turning heads this weekend. it's taken little time for fans to take a few swings on social media with one tweeting, i hope golf digest is aware that women don't actually golf topless. do they know this? i worry they don't know this. another said "golf digest" is delivered monthly in a discreet brown envelope for your privacy. the magazine's editor wrote, we have come a long way from a year ago when the lgpa condemned our
choice for the cover. i landed on the may cover of "golf digest." hash tag girl power. >> they wanted to create this discussion that the ladies are athletes and they need to be seen as athletes. >> reporter: his images inside "men's health" also topless. >> joining me tonight in our rapid response panel, terry o'neal, angela wry, and the head of a golf club. a 20-year-old kid in the
culture, she's an athlete, she doesn't have any problem being on the cover. how do you view this as a former professional golfer? what do you make of this? what are your thoughts on this cover? >> i think first of all she's beautiful. she's athletic. she's an amazing talent. it is a great skill. i don't mind it at all. it is her choice to have decided to do this particular cover. if it brings more people in women's golf, that makes me happy. >> she said she was so pumped to represent fitness and power, hash tag girl power. terry o'neal if she's happy with the cover, where's the issue? >> i think the issue is with magazine editors who very rarely put women out there as athletes really pumping their
athleticism. if you look at the numbers and you look at all these magazines, what you see is the portrayal of women is much more often sexualized than the male athletes. the women athletes we emphasize their sexuality. i think that's an imbalance that really needs to be addressed. it's not lexi's job to address it, right? it's the magazine editors. they're the ones who really need to get a clue here. >> angela wry, who are the winners and losers in this? does this help this professional golfer? >> i don't think it helps lexi. kudos to her for making the cover. i just wish she had made the cover with more clothes on. scrolling through the tweets,i saw one person respond to her and say, great cover, nice boobs. that has nothing to do with her golf game. she could feel empowered by this
particular cover. i feel sad by it. i just spent last week with young women at georgetown talking about women's empowerment and that is not reflective of that at all. >> what about the self-esteem of being a golfer? you've got to be mentally tight. you have to be wound up and have the capacity to fight back any kind of negativity that might be out there?. is there her way of doing that? this is a real expression on her part as a competitive athlete. would you accept that? >> i think this is part of who she is. i think that was up to her to express that. again, i really think that when you have these wonderful athletes and you can see -- you start to see into them a little bit more maybe people will come and watch. it's going to be good for her.
i think it will be helpful for the golf. i understand what the other gals are saying is this the best way to go about it. i don't know but i certainly don't think it is going to hurt women's golf. >> terry, what about the culture of the "i me" generation? how big of a decision was it you think, for her to do this? >> look i think that female athletes are being constantly asked to pose nude. that's the issue. the male athletes are being constantly asked to pose in a way that emphasizes their athleticism. i have no qualm. i don't have any criticism of lexi herself for accepting the offer to say we get you on the cover of the magazine. where i have an issue is why is it -- what kind of society are
we reflecting when the editors of these sports magazines are pummelling women to pose in these sexy ways whereas male athletes are asked to pose in athletic ways? >> angela looking at this cover, is this pride or is this business? >> it's definitely business for the magazine. hopefully for lexi it will result in business. she's exposing a whole lot here no pun intended. she's a 20-year-old young woman. i just spent a couple of weeks ago with young women her age. i just don't think she is in a frame of mind where that decision should be made at this point. i think it was a bad choice and i hope that it doesn't hurt her career with all the distractions that are coming from it. >> great to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. coming up still ahead a new
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i'm my own man and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> well jeb bush may be his own man but he's apparently not sure of his ethnicity or he's trying to fool folks. now he's apologizing for it, sort of. the former florida governor replied to his son's tweet earlier today writing, "my mistake. don't think i've fooled anyone." his mistake was selecting hispanic on a florida voter registration form back in 2009.
"the new york times" published the form from the "miami-dade elections department. the "times" reported bush speaks fluent spanish. his wife was born in mexico. he if he thinks that qualifies him as a shoo-in for the latino vote. conservative lawmakers have been largely out of touch with the latino population. democrat annette todeo wants to change that announce her candidacy to run for congress in florida's 26th district and she's joining us tonight. annette tadeo, vice chair of the florida democratic party, great to have view with us tonight. i'm curious, annette, as to what do you think jeb bush was thinking here? in fact, jeb's son wrote " #honorarylatino" on his tweet to his father.
what's your reaction to that? what's zbinggoing on here? is this some sort of strategy? >> i don't know. i do know this is going to be indeed, a very exciting presidential campaign, and if until until, as always, it gets exciting, but, you know i'm going to kons tradeconcentrate on making sure the hispanic voices from south florida and voices of everyone really get heard. right now all we're hearing is special interests and lobbyists in washington and not real wardworkward hardworking middle class folks like myself who worked hard for the american dream. that's what we're worried about as voters. >> bell, thewell, the republicans seem to have a real hard time with the latino population from the point of gathering their confidence in the polls. i mean they're anti-immigration when they go to iowa and south carolina and new hampshire, but then they have to come back to florida and act like they've got
all the answers. how's that going to work out? >> well you know we as hardworking people and hispanics, we try real hard to get that message across. what's important to us? it's not just immigration, and that is very important. and we should work together. it shouldn't be a partisan issue. we should work together. but unfortunately, we've gotten nothing accomplished. so we need to get that strong voice out there talking on behalf of everyone so that everyone has the opportunity that we need for the american dream. hardworking moms. equal pay. there are so many issues that matter to us no matter where we're from and that's what the greatness of america is and that's what i'm going to do when i get to washington. >> is your name recognition from the last gubernatorial race going to help you out? >> i hope so but i think more importantly, ed, i think the people of south dade know me as a fighter. i'm the daughter of a fighter pilot, and i started my own business right here in this
community and that's you know that's the person that they're going to vote for. >> all right. annette taddeo always good to have you with us. best of luck. we'll follow the story so much. >> thank you ed. >> that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from washington, d.c. we start with breaking news on the full-court press from president obama selling the iran nuclear deal. moments ago, president obama responding to israel's prime minister who says any deal should include an iranian commitment to israel's right to exist. >> the notion that we would condition iran not getting nuclear weapons in a verifiable deal on iran r