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>> it was not the subject or the source's fault. >> a legal troubles are just beginning for "rolling stone" as they finally retract their "rape on campus" story. >> the third one, i can't, oops. plus, growing food in the desert. >> some people have for of a right to water than others. >> throwing out the first pitch at a stadium with two working bathrooms for 35,000 fans. "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. today months after "rolling stone" magazine published a shocking story about a
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gang rape, the columbia university school of journalism said they failed basic and routine journalistic practice. they retracted the story and apologized to their readers. they also publiced columbia's report online. dean of the journalism school and academic affairs. >> it was a product of failed methodology, and we didn't feel that her role in the story should be a subject of a report that was seeking accountability for a failure of journalism. it was the collective fault of the reporter, the editor, the editor's supervisor, and the fact checking department. >> that source, identified as jackie in the "rolling stone"
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argument was the subject of further comment today by the publisher. he acknowledged the piece's flaws but said it represented an isolated and unusual episode. columbia's reporter says -- the publication of the article last november created an instant media sensation covered here on this program among many, many others that reignited
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discussions of sexual assault and fraternity misbehavior on college campuses. a major university has a lot to answer for the claims of a particularly shocking sexual assault have been made public. >> we're hearing what one student went through -- >> the university of virginia finds itself in total crisis. >> jackie went to the school to report her allegations and the school did nothing. >> as pictures there, she has apologized. we'll talk about that in just a moment. she did not apologize directly to the fraternity in that statement, through "rolling stone," or the publisher. they said they will keep their jobs according to the times.
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they say that news room practices had been amended, we're not going to cut those corners even for the most sympathetic reasons. they say they plan to pursue all available legal action. "rolling stone" was blasted for this story, what is the big take away from the report from your perspective. >> i think that the columbia authors were careful to say only what they felt comfortable saying. i think there was a desire on the right to say that this was a problem that feminists wanted to blame rape victims too much. it is possible all of those things are true, but it is not within the perview. they were astonishing basic.
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how did you know what you're saying. who did you talk to? did you give that person an opportunity to respond. it's basically what you learn on the first day of any class about >> you hear through someone who told you they heard from someone else that something insane happened. and you think to yourself, you think i have the most incredible story, and those people say ho, no, and by the time is it reported out, it's a different set of facts, and that is the most basic. what i can't get over is how no one asked the friends for comments. they were quoted in the piece via hearsay.
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>> yeah, there is problems, unknowable things that you have to take one person's word over another, but finding out something that involved three people -- >> who were not present at the assault. >> there is conversations as being callusly indifferent, they should have an opportunity to comment on what they remember happened, and one thing that the report makes clear, besides covering your -- she might have found out that jackie was being untruthful about things like "i talked to ryan last week." maybe she would have realized the source was not as credible. >> it seems to me there is a strange alignment. and many were skeptical in the beginning, or some of the first to raise it. there is an alignment it seems
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to me between them and the rolling stone people thatment to make this about excessive sensitivity to an alleged victim of sexual violence. >> if this woman was victimized in some way, at least not the same way as precisely, she is in a situation where she is probably getting death threats. it does no one any good to have a story out there that is not true. and i think that is, if a lot of programs featured it, it was partly out of a public truth that rolling stone would follow these assumptions.
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>> going now to ron carmon. the story was major, let's be clear about that, but also to victims of actual assault. as noted, the magazine's failure may have spread the idea that women invent rape allegations. the rate of false rape reports is 2% to 8%. and the uva student and rape survivor was one of the sources in that piece. johning -- joining me now is laura, what's your perspective? >> i think the biggest take away for justice, because we service clients every day that has suffered from actual violence, is doing what we have always done.
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collect documentary, making sure that we're helping someone through the campus or criminal through the campus or criminal process, or going to the media that we provide support for their statements. most survivors by and large are telling the truth, and victims don't often get justice even when they deserve it. so we try to increase the odds of justice and we talk openly and honestly about what it would take to go through certain processes and what information they need to hold someone accountable. i think that is the biggest take away everyone can have from this story, making sure you are documenting and showing that someone is truthful or in this case that something did not occur the way it was told. >> that second point you made there, i want to stop and highlight for a moment, being honest with the person at issue who says they have experienced actual violence. been a survivor of sexual assault. that required saying we're going
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to take to your friends, relay what you said happened to them, and try to track down the people you say did this to yourself. >> part of the columbia piece highlights the center for public integrity, they highlighted my story for the first time. i'm a survivor that never got justice. they called the people i accused, that interviewed witnesses, and they did a thorough job. that is the process for whatever you're doing, it has to be thorough and vetted because there are lives at stake, not just survivors, but those accused and in this case even institutions that are ultimately liable for whatever comes out. >> i think that is also -- one of the things i think gets very muddy in this conversation, is
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whatever processes we're setting up, they have to be processes with some integrity. there has to be process and protections for the accused that we would have in parallel processes and legal proceedings as we recognize that in legal proceedings they do a terrible job of protecting the interest of survivors. >> absolutely, i think that is the challenge that we as a nation are faced with. we had such a push back. that is the only favor of the accused. and now we're trying to make sure they're working together to create a fair process. we care about institutional liabilities. we care about getting to the truth. that requires both sides coming to the table with support and following procedure. i think the saddest thing that was lost is that uva had been under investigation. their procedures just changed because of this story.
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how sad that it had to be a nationwide story. and one that was sensationalized. the journalist just did not want to fact check and for what. there was so many other survivors that spoke out and uva has not done justice to the survivors and i think that was all lost. >> and the final point here i think it is striking to me that this example of campus sexual assault that was printed and now retracted was so extreme, and so outside, i think, the form of the belker of routine campus sexual assault, and the vast majority of which are not quite as cinematically. and that is part of the problem. >> yes, absolutely. i think the media has done such
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a service to so many survivors by covering the stories and bringing them to the light, but at the same time you're right. there is an under belly of how sensational can this be.dingly rare. there is rapes that are not as gripping in the headlines and it doesn't mean it is less important or should not be discussed. >> and it also doesn't mean it's not a story. laura dunn, thank you very much. a night after edward snowden returns to american tv, he also returns to america. i'll explain that ahead, as another republican presidential hopeful joins benjamin netanyahu's talks, you will tonight, stay with us.
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today marked the annual presidential easter egg roll. was was going well until unwelcome guests showed up. >> and now, let the wild rumpus start. >> who can do a wild rumpus. that is good rumpusing. some of you weren't rumpusing that hard. oh no, it's a bee. that's okay, guys, bees are good. they won't sting you, you'll be okay. [ screaming ] >> is it me, or is that like a
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perfect microcausism of the belt way, and barack obama has to calmly say it's all right, we'll take care of ebola, everyone calm down. i'm not sure they were the wild rumpus that the president was hoping for.
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barack obama's iraq deal. they love it's existence. rick perry just the latest to pan the framework settled on last week joined marco rubio, jeb bush, a man who graced three of the sunday news shows, benjamin netanyahu. >> the state of our economy should not have access to a vast nuclear capability. >> a better deal would role back iran's vast nuclear infrastructure and require iran to shot their aggression. >> i think it is important to change the deal, to toughen up the deal, get a better deal. >> benjamin netanyahu is now a regular booking when his country is not even part of the discussions.
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it misrepresents the entire context of the talks. it is not between israel and the u.s. or israel and iran. it is china, russia, and our closest european allies. no one has to take barack obama's word at face value. they can ask some of our closest allies that helped negotiate it and endorsed it. think about that when rick perry says he would invalidate the deal. he would be sticking his thumb in the eye of france, germany, and the u.k. they really hold the success or failure of this deal most quarely in it's hands. iran. you may have heard of them. it is who netanyahu warned us about in his speech. but there has been little to no decision about how the
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institutions inside of iran view the deal or the possibility of the country reopening to the rest of the world. iran's political dynamic has in some ways a kind of resident mirror image of their own. just as the deal here mobilized some faxes, so has iron motivated the hard liners. the political strength comes from the founders to the west. joining me now is the author of "a single roll of the dice." i guess there is a tendency to think of iran as monolithically. who likes this deal and who doesn't? >> iran has politics like all other country, but i think one
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hard of critics, and the difference is that frankly the hard liners on the american side are outdoing the iranian hard liners. they are essentially behind the deal. we would not have seen the negotiations going this far had they not backed it. so the opponents of the deal are increasingly becomes isolated and they're certainly not sending letters to president saying that whatever they sign they will unravel. >> then how should we interpret, we saw many people in the streets, how should with interpret that, what was the meaning of that? >> people are just delighted. to them it is not just a nuclear deal. this is a deal that ends sanctions on iran. they would hopefully end isolation and the extremely young educated population will
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get to recorrect with the national community, and at the same time it's a deal that from the iranian perspective safeguards their dignity. that is something that speaks to their pride. as a result you saw the images. people in the streets dancing, chanting slogans from the green movement. >> that was a kind of democratic uprising against the incumbent powers at be that was very brutally suppressed. we saw some of it covered on our air and other places. there is now word that chuck schumer who is in line to be the senate leader will back this senate bill that would essentially create a
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congressional veto or disapproval. what do you make of that? >> i think the reason the president is not trying to sell the deal, he needs the public to come to his side to prevent any kind of congressional sabotage. he has to go to the american public and i think you have seen his case. he is essentially saying this is a good deal. this is one of the best deals, and we are going to look toward a military confrontation, and we hope they can come out and show their support on this. >> one of the things that critics of the deal have noted, and this gets to internal politics in iran, and to the extend of reformers, hardliners, moderates, is a variety of other things that the iranian government does that we in the
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u.s., or other states may not like. support of terrorist organizations, support of foreign fighters. right now there is an american reporter for the washington post who has been, you know, held captive for a long time. how do you think the outlook for someone like him, for the basic kind of civic rights in iran look after a deal is inked verse before. >> remember a couple years ago, people were saying that when the president first started reaching out that that was a betrayal of the iran people pro democracy aspirations. i think the images of people dancing in the streets and celebrating this deal is quite a refeuduation of that argument. nothing helps the irani more than ice lace and not being seconded to the outside world.
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i think that the chances of sees domestic change moving in the right direction in iran is far better once they're integrated with the rest of the world. california has been in a drought for four years. >> people should realize we're in a new era. the idea of your nice little green grass gets lots of water every day is a thing of the past. >> is california over? that's ahead. i will live the life of now with the skin of then olay total effects vitamin-enriched. to fight the 7 signs of aging. in 4 weeks skin looks up to 10 years younger. 7 in 1 from the world's #1 olay. your best beautiful
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early morning dog walkers in joggers got a surprise this morning. the artists responsible for installing it it allowed the website animal new york to record the installation. that monument, a memorial to revolutionary war symbols. they say we updated this monument to highlight those who sacrificed their safety against modern day tyrannies. by 1:00 this afternoon, they covered it, and a short time later they took it county.
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the nypd intelligence exposed snowden as a hero. it's like like that if they had not public sized the installation, many people would not have noticed. despite being behind what is arguably the most significant example of whistle blowing in american history, plenty of americans still have no idea who edward snowden is. >> i have no idea who edward snowden is. >> i know the name -- >> edward snowden? no, i do not. >> just for the record, that wasn't cherry picking. that was entirely reflective of everyone we spoke to. >> given the political disengagement in the country, they could have come up with similar results if they asked people to name a supreme court justice or a speaker of the house.
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but he did a truly remarkable interview with snowden. >> how many of the documents have you read? >> i evaluated all of the documents in the archive? >> you read every single one. >> well i understand what i turned over. >> there is a difference between understanding what is in the documents -- >> i recognize the concern. >> when you're handing over thousands of nsa documents the last thing you want to do is read them. the "new york times" took a slide, didn't redact it properly, and it possible for people to see there was something being used in mosul. >> it was a [ bleep ]. >> it was a [ bleep ] and we have to accept that mistakes will be made. this is a fundamental concept of liberty.
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>> right, but you have to own that then. you're giving documents with information you know could be harmful that could get out there. >> yes. >> what oliver did with snowden last night was something that has been sorely lacking in the coverage of him. he engaged him, pushed him on what he did and what we learned from what he did. in the same way in a snowden has to acknowledge his actions.
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is the california dream find finally over. that is what is being asked as they're in their fourth year of being in a drought. governor jerry brown called for water rationing.
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now, it is very appealing to blame the water crisis in california on plush developments in the middle of the desert, or mansions with lawns and swimming pools. here is the thing, california is an agricultural state. out of all of the surface water consumed in the state, the vast majority of it, 80% goes to agricultural. the other 20% is everything else. agricultural production counts for just 2% of their economic activity. so while a 25% reduction in cities and opportunity tos start, it's just that. just a 10% to 15% reduction in agricultural water use is equal
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to a 50% decrease in residential usage. agricultural, 80% of the water, has been largely spared from rationing. will california will able to reckon with it's post climb change future. joining me now is the author of "california drought history" thank you for joining us. can we start basically. we have all seen china town. we have a vague idea of like the west was a desert. someone came in and figured out how to get water to people. we talk about the water like -- where is it? and when we talk about the agricultural, where is it and how do they get access to it.
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>> most of the water is in the northern part of the state. the snow packs, reservoirs, dams. that has to be brought south, and there is a lot of ground water underneath that you pump up. farmers, residents, businesses are getting water from the state -- >> but people have, say i'm a rice farmer which by the way we grow rice in the desert, which is weird. say i'm a rice or almond farmer, very water intensive, and i have a plot of land. i'm not growing it from what is falling from the sky. >> no, it is irrigated from a river or something. >> and i have a right to that?
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>> it basically goes like a first come first serve. if you have been there longer, you may have more senior water rights. newcomers may have junior rights. water for farmers or people that live in the cities and suburbs is pretty cheap. say it was gasoline, cars would be bigger and less fuel efficient than they were. water has been cheap, you don't have to pay that much for it, and people are going to use it. >> right now -- you can also imagine a situation where people start to think do i want a market or price on water. but you can imagine a world where there is a different on how water is treated for agricultural purposes -- >> farmers are paying a lot lot
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lot less even though they use a lot more water. they're paying less. >> the farmers will turn around and say hey, buddy, first of all screw you. second, we're growing food for all around the country. >> or china for that matter. >> right, what is the long-term solution here, right? say we got more sensible water policy in which you start to price this. could you sustain the level of output that you have in california now? >> you could, but you mentioned china town. there is a real distrust between farmers and city folks. vilifying the farmering will not get you to where you need to be. neither is having people in the city tell the farmers what to grow. farmers need less flood irrigation, more drip
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irrigation, or sprinklers. what's the downside of saiding water. your lawn is brown, your car is duty, but if duo it people get laid off and people don't have food to eat. >> it is a lower cost to the person at issue than saying we're going to cut your output in half. >> and you will have to send your farm workers on the unemployment line or what have you. >> we're going to go out in california in bit to do a week of stories about this. >> great to be here. nelson schwartz, from the deserts of the west to the shores of lake michigan, head. we'll tell you why that white hot spot there was shining so bright. so why pause to take a pill?
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time in history, the chicago cubs held their home opener at night. i was parked in front of the television, watching my cubbies, and then being saddened when they were shut out. both of chicago's mayoral candidates went to wrigley field and did a little gland handing. rahm emanuel probably did not think he would still be campaigning at this point, but he was forced into a run-off. rahm could lose was being noted by reporters, and there is a tremendous amount of dissatisfaction toward rahm emanuel, particularly among the african-american voters and his abrasive personality has not helped.
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he had to cut an ad, kind of for being a jerk. >> i can rub people the wrong way, or talk when i should listen. i own that. >> but his greatest strength has nothing to do with his personality either way. according to the "chicago sun times" he raised $30 for his came pain. and more than $18 million comes from an elite group of donors. one of them, michael sacks, was described as rahm's fixer on a range of economic issues. and they have also taken a lot of money from republicans, some of which was used in their television and ad blitz attacking garcia. it is fair to assume it has helped him a lot.
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polls now show him with a big lead. this hex offered a window into the way things work on a national level where a billionaire could just hand you a huge check, a million dollars, and who knows what they will ask for the day after the election. if he wins tomorrow as is now expected it won't change the fact that chicago's finances are in terrible shape. in fact, they look even worse than wrigley field's bathrooms did last night. i will bring you the disgusting details on that story, ahead.
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last night was different. they're in the midst of a $500 million renovation project not even close to being finished. opening night as seen from a plane above chicago. the last of the bleacher bums of the least of the probable. there was only two working bathrooms in the main concourse. the team had to apologize after fans had to wait an hour or more to pee. some of them could not wait. he commented i'm rather certain that is not flat beer. people also took to openly peeing on the walls. what is happening at wrigley is kind of what it is like wanting
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the new. walking that line is easier said that done, and not just when it comes to making sure people have a place to pee. baseball's coolness problem, the threat to the game's long-term survival is ahead.
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the baseball system kicked off last night. revenue at an all-time high.
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they're facing a demographic challenge similar to the republican party. their demographic is old, white, and male. little league participation was be declining each year. they dropped from nearly 3 million kid in the 1990s. median viewer age for baseball has risen to 53 years old compared to 37 for the nba. and the ratings to series are at the lowest levels either. andrew mccutchin says it is dieing in low income areas. this season they instituted new rules to speed up the games
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including that the batters keep a foot in the batters box. joining me now is clarence paige, and direct from the washington national's game tonight, richard justice. i'll start with you. how much sense of panic is there inside mlb about all of the kind of trends we have been talking about? >> well, it is the first thing commissioner rob manford's to do list. he met with youth groups within he got the opinion of people in the game and around the game. the bottom line is that in inner cities, baseball diamonds are expensive to maintain. as part of this effort, baseball opened seven youth academies in the country.
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the most recent in cincinnati. i'll very familiar with the one in how's that offering after school tutoring. the problem is not that kids don't look the game, that they don't enjoy playing the game, but they don't have the facilities to play the game. >> clarence, i'm fascinated by wrigley. they're trying to do stuff that a fancy new stadium would have, and they have a footprint that is causing a massive mess in the middle of the northside. >> that's right and that's my old neighborhood if breaks my heart to see the mess that is happening over there. this whole situation about the loss of inner city fans and young people, it is hardly new. i think it is part of the heartbreak of the jackie robinson west fiasco.
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somebody violated the rules there as far as residency was concerned and the championship has taken away from them. that was a set back because that could have helped attract young people. >> that jackie robinson west team was a perfect example of the kind of thing that major league baseball wants to see. they want the national title, they lost that game, but it was hugely celebrated in chicago, and kind of was iconic in certain ways for a sport that recognizes there is a relationship to african-american fans. >> yeah, and there has been an effort for several years now. the urban youth academy opened in compton. i think we have to be careful in overselling it.
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it is a matter of getting the kids there. i can tell you, it is the first thing on the commissioner's list. everything that he can do, he will do. and having said all of that in terms of the ageing audience and all of that, the mlb at bat at is opened 5.7 million times a day and the average age is 30. >> the cubs have been so bad in the last five years, this is up with of the periods in which they were horrible. i had my friend over, my laptop, my phone, my friend, and i was jonesing for more stimulus. is there something that is
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incompatible about what it takes to watch a baseball game. >> i never liked watching baseball on television except when i was a kid and it was a family affair. watching it on tv, i would much rather be at the ball park, and wrigley is the kind of place where baseball ought to be played. you ought to sit out there in the bleachers, in the sun, passing food down the aisles. the great promoters of the game were able to build it up. we don't have that kind of excitement these days in the tv age. some places like wrigley field or the green monster in boston, some places have local folklore. >> the game, chris, in terms of attendance is over 30,000 a game. close to 73 million, it has never been more healthy in that
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respect. people like going to games, and local tv and radio ratings have been skyrocketing. >> that is a great point about attendance. good evening, chris. welcome back, we missed you. >> i missed you, but i liked being away. >> you opportunity miss me, that's okay, our friendship is strong enough to bare that. thank you for joining us this hour. we have a big show tonight including the nation's energy secretary is hire live tonight for "the interview." we have a big show, i'm glad you're here. we start tonight with this stark bottom line. there has never before been a major party candidate who has made a run for the presidency of the united states while also being under criminal indictment.


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