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good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. freedom. we can do whatever we want to do. there's no government whatsoever. we knew this day was coming and now it's official. rand paul is running for president. the man who rode the tea party wave in 2010 now thinks he can run the country. he kicked off his campaign in good ole louisville. >> i have a message, a message that is loud and clear and does not mince words. we have come to take our country back. the washington machine that gobbles up our freedoms and invades every nook and cranny of our lives must be stopped. >> i'll tell you it doesn't get any deeper than that. we've got to talkke our country
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back. okay. his next stop is to talk to shawn hannity. he was on hannity's radio show this afternoon, so you know the crowd he is talking to and he's going to be on fox later on tonight. have you noticed anything early on about ted cruz and rand paul? nobody is coming out and speaking on behalf of them. where are the surrogates? >> if we nominate a candidate who is simply democrat light, what's the point? why bother? we need to boldly proclaim our vision for america. we need to go boldly forth under the banner of liberty that clutches the constitution in one hand and the bill of rights in the other. >> i know i could give that
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speech. i know i could if i just have the chance. they never speak anything. they speak in these lofty generic terms. rand paul took a number of shots at the republican establishment. he was quick to blame both parties on the state of the american economy. >> big government and debt doubled under a republican administration and it's now tripling under barack obama's watch. president obama is on course to add more debt than all of the previous presidents combined. we borrow a million dollars a minute. this vast accumulation of debt threatens not just our economy, but our security. >> the threat, the freerear, everything is going to fall apart. his crowd is the doomsday
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preppers. nothing in rand paul's speech today really played to the greatness of this country. shockingly the senator addressed income inequality in his speech. his solution is tax-free areas with cities like detroit. rand paul is with the democrats on manufacturing jobs? that's why i call him politically mixed. unfortunately rand paul does tow the party line on a number of issues that only make the income gap even bigger. >> i will take it and make it my mission to heal the nation reverse the course of obamacare, and repeal every last bit of it. >> when you allow people to be
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on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy. while it seems good it actually does a disservice to the people you're trying to help. virtually all of the studies if you increase the minimum wage you get higher unemployment particularly teenage unemployment. >> you believe in a minimum wage? >> when you look at raising it all the studies show if you raise it you get more unemployment. >> that simply is not true. let's go back to the beginning of that sound byte. i'm curious, dr. paul. do you want to see patients with or without insurance, and do you have a habit in your practice back in the day of seeing patients without insurance? i'm just curious. i'm just asking the question. paul can't have it both ways. without obamacare and the social safety net, the income gap in this country would only
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skyrocket. rand paul is a libertarian. his positions on things like vaccines turned heads in both parties. >> i've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who have wound out with profound mental disorders of vaccines. i'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea. i think they are a good thing, but i think parents should have some input. states don't own your children. parents own their children. >> his view on international intervention this is a dandy. it puts him at odds with other republicans. it is not every day you hear a republican talk like this. >> everyone needs to realize that negotiations are not inherently bad. trust but verify is required in any negotiation, but our goal should be and always is peace, not war. >> okay.
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all right. i think he stole a little bit of president obama's speech there. it sounds like rand paul is lining up with the president of the united states. can't do that. it has right-wing hawks slamming rand paul. the swift boat veterans are now going after the senator for kentucky. they're the they're already out with this absurd ad. >> he supports president obama's negotiations with iran and he doesn't understand the threat. rand paul is wrong and dangerous. tell him to stop siding with obama because even one iranian bomb would be a disaster. >> now that ad must have been very impactful to the senator because rand paul changed his position on iran during today's
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announcement announcement. >> we brought iran to the table through sanctions that i voted for. now we must stay strong. that's why i have cosponsored legislation that ensures that any deal between the u.s. and iran must be approved by congress. it concerns me that we may attempt or the president may attempt to unilaterally halt sanctions. i will oppose any deal that does not end iran's nuclear ambitions and have strong verification measures. >> there's something that needs to be point out with what's happening with republicans in the senate. they're setting the framework to oppose obama across the board. they didn't think it was going to get this far, this move with iran and they certainly can't have president obama have this success. can the real rand paul please
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stand up? paul's record as a senator is very clear. he voted for the government shutdown which cost this country $25 billion. he sponsored person hood amendments. he voted against helping the long-term unemployed people who were transitioning in a tough economy. rand paul voted against minimum wage. he wants to repeal obamacare. he has voted against ending big tax breaks for oil alone. don't let this guy fool you. he says he's a libertarian. i say he is politically mixed. he tows the party line on issues that really matter to the middle class. did i say he's anti-union? rand paul seems to spew the anti-government message and stuff that the tea partiers became famous for back in 2010. he seems to do that better than the rest of the candidates and that might keep him in longer
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than the rest but i don't think he's going to get the nomination. tonight's question -- can senator rand paul win the nomination? our new some we want you to go to pulse dot msnbc.com/ed. you can cast your vote there and tell us what you think. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. let me bring in brad woodhouse, and high and heidi and my last guest. >> ted cruz helps rand paul because rand paul looks mainstream compared to ted cruz. the real republicans out there want to get their own guy, but they always have seven candidates who split the vote and the mainstream guy gets in.
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a lot of young republicans will announce on monday. the problem is senators. they are all talk. they don't have solutions. they're not former governors. they can't point to past successes. i don't think they have concrete solutions. >> what do you think of that, heidi? will you get a solution from rand paul? >> i thought he had a great speech. rand paul appeals to people who are independents. you're complaining about the fact that he picks up ideas from both sides of the aisle. isn't that a great thing? i prefer somebody who is open to other ideas. i thought his speech was great. it appeals to independents and democrats. we on the right are sick of the same people being served up again and again. we don't want jeb bush. i think rand paul might be a great alternative. >> i'm not sure what he's embraced from liberals.
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>> you said he was talking about stealing some of the points from democrats. we republicans want peace too. >> i don't believe that. >> i don't ever want to go to war again. nobody wants to go to war, ed. >> hard sell. i believe this whole senate vote that corker wants to take and the foreign relations committee is all an effort to deep six the deal. i think they're both radical. i think it is going to be hard to get independent voters to go ted cruz and rand paul's way. >> i think they're exactly right. you gave the list. he's against obamacare. he's against the minimum wage. he's against the violence against women act. he really is a typical right-wing tea party republican in the mold of ted cruz.
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he's either crazy or he's crazy like a fox. he got into this race or got attention by being a libertarian, but now he knows he's got to compete in places where there are conservative republicans and he's moving in that direction. >> heidi says republicans want peace. i don't believe that. brad, i have a clip of your brother on fox news talking about rand paul. >> his sort of world view may not be fitting the world as a lot of people see it right now. rand paul has to prove that he will nuke a muslim country if we have to. i'm not saying we should but i'm saying we will do that if it takes saving america and that there's no doubt he will do what it takes to protect america. >> i have to give you a response to that. >> i'm embarrassed to admit that that's my brother saying something like that. i do believe there is a part of the republican party that very
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much would like to take military action against iran and they believe maybe it'll be simple. >> mark what about that? >> again, these are senators that are just talk. there's never any practical reality. i'm really sorry we're in this age now where we don't look with somebody with management experience, like a former governor and somebody who has negotiated before in government. >> so you're anti-senator. you'd rather go with a governor. >> yeah absolutely. look at our two best presidents. reagan clinton. >> who would you go with right now? >> as far as people who have already announced? >> no you know who is going to announce. are you this anti-senator person too? >> you have to understand. i'm a rick santorum conservative. that's the kind of social
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conservative i am but i also understand most of america is not. when you are talking about the people who are already there, i think rand paul has great appeal. i was at a restaurant in vegas where he appealed. just kind of walking around the restaurant and talking to people. people like him. they relate to him. he seems more palatable. >> not a lot of personality there. not a lot of warmth. not a lot of charm. >> can any of these guys beat hillary? >> it looks like a tough climb for republicans. they are down three to nine points. ppp did a national poll. she's really con dollsolidated the
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democratic party. it's going to be a competitive race. it always is. republicans are going to have the money to prosecute a campaign. >> what is this going to talk to hannity? i thought rand paul would be talking to glenn beck. i'll give you one good comment that i'm curious about rand paul. manufacturing jobs, what kind of incentives does he want to give to companies to bring those jobs book back to america because this president is on the way to fast track. does that mean he just wants to be president for the hannity crowd and not for the rest of over here on the left? >> give him a week. >> he has to show up there. >> he just announced today. he'll get to your show. i promise. >> good to have you with us tonight.
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show." this story is causing quit a stir. new york senator chuck schumer may be next in line to be the senate's leading democrat. corker's iran nuclear agreement review act would require congress to review and approve any nuclear deal struck with iran. schumer cosponsored the bill saying he strongly believes congress should have any right to disprove any agreement. the obama administration has asked congress to wait until after the june 30th deadline for a final agreement before voting on the legislation saying that it could interfere with the negotiations. corker says he plans to hold a vote in the foreign relations committee on april 14th. the stakes in this deal are high and well documented in the
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latest trailer from brave new films. >> the alternative to negotiations with iran is war. a new war with iran would destabilize the entire region. the wars in iraq and afghanistan cost us. don't let them fool us again. >> joining me tonight robert greenwald and talk show host joe madison. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. greenwald, the product you put together is that an overstatement or a bridge too far? is that really what you think it will evolve to if we don't get a deal with iran in the short term? >> i think that it is very clear we have our best chance for peace, ed right now with the diplomacy. and the fact that so many who
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have convinced us we should go to war with iraq, that we need to go to war with iran or we didn't trust diplomacy -- those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. >> joe madison, what is senator schumer's position with breaking with the president on this? senator schumer really giving the republicans ammunition to set the table to oppose any deal that the president might be able to achieve, which is historic. how do you read this? >> this is a framework. they have until june 30th to put the deal together. i think schumer may be filling his oats a little bit, trying to
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establish himself as an independent leader as a member of congress but you are 100% right, ed. he's providing cover for the republicans who aren't doing this for any legitimate reason other than to quite honestly say the president is not capable of negotiations. >> there's going to be plenty of time for schumer and any other democrat to jump in and say, hey, wait a minute don't do this. why help the republicans who have not been president obama's ally on anything? i have to question where is his loyalty. is it to prime minister netanyahu or to the president of the united states? >> it should not only be to the president of the united states of america, but the united states of america. >> i think this also gives democrats the signal it's okay to oppose the president.
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no, the president needs his party right now. this is a historic opportunity. robert greenwald, i think the republicans never thought it would get this close. now that it's there, they are scrambling being time. i think your work is very profound and to the point that it could evolve to that. rhetoric gets carried away and people start believing this stuff. how much of a push do you think the president has to make on this at this point with this backdrop? >> i think he's going to have to make a significant push. the military complex is so strong around war issues that the president of the united states is the underdog when he is trying to make a deal that would provide a safer iran, an iran without nuclear weapons. that's quite an extraordinary thought, ed. again, we need to talk a pause. think of the number of lives. over 300,000 people killed in
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those wars. how many families would give anything to have those people back and here we are, the president and kerry, doing everything to make a deal and the neocons and the war hawks never said we made a mistake, we're sorry, but they're out there cheering loudly again. >> the other thing as far as the legislation is concerned -- and joe correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't recall any track record that's been laid out by bob corker, who is the chairman of the foreign relations committee, that he's ever been an ally or supporter of president obama on anything. you have war or peace. what do you want? >> what really also bothers me -- and let's go back to this -- both are on the wrong side of the public. every poll that you have taken, every poll that i have taken, every poll that we have seen has said the american people are
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with the president of the united states on this. here we go again. i think you hear the same thing that i hear ed. sometimes the worst enemy that the president has is the people in his own party. darn it it's about time that they simply stand with this president because the reality is that if they want hillary clinton to be president of the united states, she has already said this is a good deal. now schumer is not only against obama, but he's against probably the future nominee for his party. >> let me point out in a very fair manner. back in 2007 when barack obama said this is what he wanted to accomplish with the iranians hillary clinton said he was naive. i do not think john kerry or barack obama would under sell this country's security just to get a deal. i think this whole thing is about keeping president obama from having a big foreign policy success and they certainly don't want to let that happen.
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election. big money certainly a big part of this attempt by rahm eimanemmanuel to get re-elected. he has raised over $20 million throughout the campaign. chuy garcia has only been able to raise 5 million since the runoff started. polls close at 7:00 p.m. central time this evening. for more let's turn to john nichols. this has been a real heated race. what do you make of these early poll numbers? is this going to be a walk for rahm imanemmanuel? >> i'm not sure. we'll have some answers this evening, but the high level of early voting and the intensity in the city suggests this could be a closer race. i've been down in chicago in a number of neighborhoods. i was with chuy garcia a few
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days ago. there are massive crowds coming out for rallies. there are people knocking on the doors. some of the unions are coming out strong for chuy garcia. that's going to provide some counterbalance to rahm emmanuel's very big money and the mayor's name recognition. >> is this the north side versus the south side? >> it's a lot more complex than that. >> yeah. >> it's more complex than that. i've been at events in chicago where i've seen a remarkable mix of people where you see crossing lines of ethnicity and race and i do think that some of the old easy talk about chicago politics is different, but i do think you're going to have ethnic divisions and racial divisions and people are going to look at which communities turn out and in what numbers. clearly, there's been a very big
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effort by chuy garcia's campaign to reach out to the latino community and the african-american community and white liberals but it's tough to pull all those coalitions together. we'll know in a few hours whether they've done something. >> thanks so much, john. appreciate it. stick around. rapid response panel is next. we're right back. i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. stocks end with modest losses a die before the start of earnings season. the dow triple digit gain evaporates. the s&p falls four the nasdaq finishes down by seven points. fedex shares rose nearly 3% today. it is buying europe's tnt express pending approval. job openings rose that was slightly above expectations. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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and we are back. climate change is a threat to public health. president obama announced a new initiative to minimize the health effects from global warming today. climate denial has become a pair of dirty words. the american legislative exchange council is ready to pursue legal action over the language. the conservative group pushes corporate interests across the country. alec is focused on distributing letters from their lawyers. alec wants to remove all material suggesting the group doesn't believe in global warming. the shift has everything to do with money and nothing to do with science. more corporations have abandoned denial and conservatives are forced to do the same. bp, facebook, and yahoo all cut
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ties with alec. the ceo of google said alec was lying about climate change and left the group back in september. republicans are following the money. conservative politicians won't enact climate saving policies but they're trying to opt out of the discussion. >> i'm not qualifyied to debate the science over climate change. >> i'm not a scientist. >> you know i'm not a scientist. i'm not a scientist. >> great line. they're not a scientist. what information. more republicans don't want to be labeled backward and anti-science. one environmentalist won't let them off so easy. tom styier put together the next gen climate pac. the next presidential election may push the issue to the
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forefront, we think. joining me tonight on our rapid response panel the chief strategist with next gen and the president of cold blue project. i want to go to this sound byte. jeb bush was a town hall meeting in denver, colorado, and the focus was on energy. he had this to say about keystone. >> i forgot to mention. i'm totally for the keystone. people talk about american energy security. i think the proper way to look at this is north american energy security. >> and of course jeb bush has taken the position on climate change that there is no proof that man has caused climate change although 97% of scientists disagree with them. christopher, what about this? this is the mind-set you are up
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against. >> i think that comment is just one more signifier that the coke republican party has become really a wholly subsidiary of the coke brothers. they're going to continue to double down on their oil position continue to say that they won't respect our listen to the opinions of the science of 97% of the world's scientists. i thought it was pretty interesting that governor bush talked about north american security. the keystone pipeline is going to create money for a multinational corporation that is based in canada. it is going to send the oil oversees. it is only going to add to the pollution in the air and everyone by the canadian oil company's own estimation is going to create a measly 22,000 23,000 jobs.
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the really interesting thing about the jeb position is whole rationale for running is his electorate. this is a signifier issue for young people. how do they think they're going to do better with young people taking this position with a bigger chunk of the electorate being young people? >> what is the mission here? to get these young people to understand who is not on board with the mission and understanding that deniers are standing in the way of progress? >> it's a great question. at the end of the day when 2/3 of the country believes the science, we believe this is an issue that disqualifies the republicans who deny the office from holding the office of the presidency. it will put a spotlight on the fact that these folks are denying it. we have a polygraph lie detecter
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test challenging rand paul to take a lie detecter test on this issue. really do some disruptive politics. force folks to actually have to engage and talk about this. it is not merely going to be shining a spotlight, but putting them under pressure to explain themselves. >> how do you sell coal to a younger generation? >> it's actually not that tough. we're focused on working with democrats across the country. i'm pleased to say we find democrats across the spectrum to very cobnserveatives democrats to very liberal conservatives. we're ready to move past the question of if we should act and focus on the really hard choices of how we act. we need to act in a responsible
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manner that doesn't unduly burden the american public and does it a way through technology that moves us forward towards a real solution. >> is your group in favor of coal reduction? >> we are both coal advocates and climate advocates because the simple fact is there is no solution to the climate challenge that does not include low carbon coal. what we like to say is the -- the climate skeptics are criticized for having their heads in the sand while the climate dreamers have their heads in the clouds. >> i want you to respond to that. >> sure. mr. williams is a coal lobbyist. he comes out of a private sector corporation that gave 90% of its money to republicans. i think it is a little bit
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disingenuous to say there's an interest in talking to democrats. coal is contributing to all sorts of harms to our country. having him lecture and talk about climate change is about hearing about health care from fat albert. >> one your information is just two years old. >> have you been been a lobbyist for coal? just a simple yes or no. >> yes, i was. i worked for a coal company -- may i talk? >> go ahead. chris, let him answer the question. go ahead. >> it's a simple answer. >> i spent 13 years working for one of the greatest democrats in history. i'm a proud democrat. our organization is proud democrats who are here to be constructive. we're not here to be disruptive.
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we want to find constructive solutions. for example, our chairman a former congressman from ohio he is a former congressman because he voted for the cap and trade bill. we are not climate deniers in even the slightest sense of the word. >> i appreciate your time tonight. we're going to keep an eye on this. coming up why are so many americans -- why don't they like duke? we're right back. realpad from aarp makes it easy to share enjoy, and celebrate. it's the tablet with free unlimited live help whenever you need it. if you don't think "wow, i can do this!" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp". hi mom! hi dad! happy anniversary! available at aarprealpad.org and at walmart.
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finally tonight we live in a country where the new england patriots have won their fourth and the blue devils claimed their fifth ncaa crowned last night. it's coach mike krzyzewski's fourth. >> i love them. i truth them. they trust one another. it's been my best group as far as being together that i've coached in 40 years. >> many americans are not as happy as coach k and the cameron crazies. they're the team of 19-%ers surrounded by public state schools, and this dislike runs deep and has for many years. earlier this year espn's 30 for 30 released the documentary "i
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hate christian laettner." >> during this tournament things got heated between wisconsin and laettner himself. wisconsin tweeted -- we still hate christian laettner. he tweeted with a t-shirt image saying i can pring these in red. after last night's win, it seems like the campaign is still stronger than ever. the sports editor of "the nation" and michael eric dyson. georgetown professor who used to teach at the university of north carolina. what was it like? did you sense it back then michael? >> i sure did. i tell you what carolina blue, that was the sky, that was my blood. so there was a hatred for the blue devils to be sure. but i'm from detroit, michigan. the fab tiv were our team. when they went up against christian laettner and seen as the preppy kind of guys versus the inner city guys there were
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stereotypes on both sides. i was in that documentary, and i talked about a certainly kind of representation of whiteness at stake there. it wasn't simply a team against another team. it was conceptions of blackness against conceptions of whiteness, and written large in the culture, bigger than duke basketball or north carolina basketball. >> dave, what about this? has duke just won too much where people can't take it? >> this is as old as organized sports in the united states where you're talking about the yankees, cowboys or duke. i would argue it's a morality play for an argument for the united states of america. that's the exceptionalism argument e. we're awesome, why not bow down what's wrong with not seeing how awesome we are. on the other side you are not accounting for all the advantages that you have it's something that makes your
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success sour to the rest of us. that's who duke is and i think that's where the hatred comes from. >> dr. dyson, what about kentucky? they also have nine mcdonald's all-americans. no player averaged more than 25 minutes a game not a single player complained about the lack of touches or stats or minutes. why aren't they getting attention? >> that's a great point, but what did bo ryan call them? the rentals? they're wonone and done now, but white kids advise black kids thoughs know historically duke has identified as the upper crest, christian laettner was not a rich white kid. there are many kids that have contradicted that -- but i think -- >> but did the job last night for duke. >> the difference, though is
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also that john calipari never acts like thinks pooh does not sink. it's a dirty business and i'm the dirtiest man in the skirtiest business take it or leave me while mike krzyzewski acts like he's st. k. >> he's making plenty. >> that's the other thing that bothers people coach k acts like he's above what is a very dirty business. >> but the political comments also disturb us on the left. i don't think he's a big obama fan. >> he said obama should stop talking and go back to doing his job. i've always had a kind of enmitty since he denied allen iverson a spot on the olympic team, but he's had the royalist stability that's threaded thus hess career but i have to confess, last night i was a duke fan, because i did not want
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wisconsin to win? >> what? c'mon, now! >> they beat kentucky and if you beat kentucky i'm riding with duke. >> the freshmen kids they felt no pressure they didn't even know the atmosphere and they just kept shooting. it's the coach's job to have them ready, and his team was ready. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. \s. good evening. it's official. rand paul is running for president. >> today i announce with god's help, with the help of liberty lovers everywhere that i am putting myself forward as a candidate for president of the united states. >> the republican senator making the announcement today from

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