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picking up important coverage from north charleston south carolina. that story continues to develop. thank you so much for being with us. we'll see you tomorrow. >> happy birthday. and good morning from north charleston south carolina. i'm craig melvin if for jose diaz-balart. we start "the rundown" with latest developments the shooting's of aen armed black man by a police officer and could be getting another very important piece of this story. police today say they may be releasing the dashcam video from the incident from the officer's own car. meanwhile, north charleston's mayor has announced that every single police officer in the city of roughly 100,000 will be wearing body cameras. and officer michael slager charged with the murder of walter scott, has now been officially fired, and now also has a new lawyer. the shocking images of a man running away from police being shot in the back also
rekindling the national debate about excessive force by police. in just a minute we'll show you my exclusive interview with feidin santana, the video seen by millions across the country and across the world as well. first i want to walk you through the timeline. the timeline of the tragic events now being investigated by state and federal officials. the deadly encounter between walter scott and police officer michael slager started with a traffic stop. for a broken taillight, saturday morning, at about 9:30. officer slager fires a taser at mr. scott, who runs away. feidin santana a bystander, just happened to be in the area, recorded what happened next. [ gun fooirp ] . >> the officer then fires his gun eight times hitting walter scott five times. approximately 9:38 a.m. officer slager then radios dispatch.
>> shots fired. subject is down. he's got my taser. >> officer slager then walks towards a motionless walter scott, tells scott to put his hands behind his back. he handcuffs the man, jogs back and appears to pick up something. another officer now on the scene, as you can see there, officer slager drops something next to walter scott. two minutes 2 minutes 43 seconds, reaches down to check walter scott's pulse. now to my exclusive interview with feidin santana whose cell phone video dramatically changed the direction of this investigation. >> walk me through. what did you see and what did you do? >> what i saw as you can see in the video the shooting and after the victim was dead.
before the video when i was walking to my job, i was walking to my job and i witness mr. scott coming i would say -- out of -- coming out of the -- >> he had -- >> yes, running through me and then i saw maybe five seconds later i saw the cop after him chasing him, yelling to stop, and my first thought, i thought that something would happen about it so i just went to the scene to see what's going on when i saw him, that they were the floor, he recently you know just fell down or maybe tackled by the police. i just saw he was down and the police was up trying to get control of him, and i -- i approached the scene when i see you know, that police was pushing him, tasering him. >> so you saw the police taser
him? >> yes. you can hear the sound, before i started in the video. and i just -- decided to take my phone out, you know. maybe to try -- the cop, see that he was first one over there, standing there, you know, and -- i started recording and that's when everything happened over there. >> so you're watching this, and what's going through your mind? >> i mean the scene? >> yeah the scene. >> like i say, never expect this to come out this way. never. you know never thought the policeman would shoot him right in the scene. like i say, the man was running away from police. he -- i believe that he maybe was scared of the taser, you know. maybe like it hurt, the taser, and he just was looking for a way to get away from the police, and like i say, it was very --
it was very impactful to me. >> did you hear the officer say anything? before? before he fired the shots? >> no not really. no. just say, you know -- before they get on the ground he was saying stop. that's what i hear and after that, after he -- he shoot, he just say, you know that he fired, that he fired and that he was on the ground. mr. scott was on the ground. >> did you hear mr. scott say anything during all of this? >> no. nothing. nothing, he didn't say. i see him, like maybe he was hurt by the taser. >> at the end of the video that you shot you see the officer put something down. >> i saw that now on the video.
i never, didn't -- didn't catch that part when he drop -- i -- i did notice that he went back when he was standing over there when he was, you know with mr. scott. he did pick something up. never saw him you know that he dropped. i just saw -- when he pick it up and pick it up again on the, beside the victim. >> but you couldn't tell what it was that he picked up? >> no. not the victim's side. like i say. but over there i knew it was the taser when he went back again to get the taser. you know but i never saw that he dropped the taser, like i say. i guess i saw that he picked something up. i didn't know what it was. >> after you filmed this video on your cell phone. >> yes. >> then what did you do with it? >> after i film it was a lot of -- kind of thoughts in my head. i just -- like i say, maybe -- i
won't deny that i knew the magnitude of this, and i tried to i even thought about erasing the video, and -- >> why? >> i don't know. i felt that my life with this information might be like i say, in danger, and i tried to to -- to -- i thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community of north charleston and living some place else. >> leaving town? >> yes. >> because were you that scared? >> yeah. like i say, i knew that -- i saw the video, i knew that a cop didn't do -- didn't do the right way, the right thing, and like i say, i feel kind of scared about that. >> but you decided instead, of deleting the video you decided to do what? >> i decide -- i look at the police report. i went home after finish working. i went home. like i say, i was -- people went to the barber shop talking
about what happened. and over there, next to my house, because it's right there, and i saw the police report. i read it. it wasn't the way they were saying. >> you read the police report? >> yes yes. and i saw on the news you know and i say, this is not the right right it's not what happened and i had a friend of mine and i showed the video to him and tell him what i witness, and he was agreeing with me. so, you know he told me think about what you want to do with this. like i say. and i just put myself in the position of the family. you know? that i know if i would have a family member like i say, i didn't -- i couldn't tell what was going to be the decision in this case if the police would be charged or not, but i wanted them to have this and do something about it because i know if i wouldn't give it to them nothing would happen.
>> i understand at one point you also went to the police. is that right? >> yes. >> and what did you tell them and what did they tell you? >> well, in the video, i said i i -- abused in the video. a couple times. after that you get frustrated and maybe mad about it, and when everybody was there they told me to leave the scene, and i -- >> who told you to leave the scene? >> one of the police told me to leave. to leave the scene, because he said that someone was coming over here. so i don't -- like i don't really -- really catch it at that time. >> he said to get away from here. >> yeah, like to get away from here. >> he didn't know that you shot the video? >> no the that i had the video, like i say, i didn't have in a position that people would tell that i'm recording. or that like at the moment when the victim was down. i had it in a position. i didn't really try to to catch
the video the way die. you know? i was just witnessing with my eyes and just let the phone do the work. and, yes, i say to the officers you know, that that it was an abuse. that i witnessed everything and i have it recording with me. one of them ask me if asked me if that was true and he say, to wait there. and, like i say, when he say that, i just -- i knew what was going on. that maybe, you know something -- >> you got scared? >> i just you know in one minute i was at my work already, working. and i just run out of there. like i say, i knew that they were looking for me maybe they were looking for me for this information, because i tell them that i had that information in my possession. >> are you still scared? >> yeah. like i say, but i'm -- i feel --
i felt like i did the right thing for the family. and i believe that this can help other people you know this to, like i say, to not -- do this kind of stuff. like i say, nobody's you know nobody has the right to take the life away of nobody like i say, without, for no reason. you know? >> if you had not captured all of this on your cell phone what do you think would have happened? >> nothing would have happened. >> you don't think anybody would have been charged? >> i don't think nothing would have happened. like assayi say, that's why i took the decision of turning to the family. >> what makes you so sure that nothing would have happened? >> that's when i saw the report the police report, and i saw that he was going the wrong way. it was going the wrong way, like assay, and a i say and that's something that got me mad, like i say, because it wasn't like that.
that wasn't the way i saw it. i didn't know the police would be charged, all this i don't know, like i say, that -- i didn't know what was going to happen but i just took the evidence to the family. >> i want to go back to saturday. did you see the officer administer cpr? did you see the officer try to do anything to save mr. scott? >> when you say officer, are you talking the officer, which officer? >> the officer who shot him. >> no. >> nothing? >> just saw that he tried to see -- his -- >> checked his pulse. >> yes yeah. >> and at what point did you see the officer handcuff him? >> oh yeah i saw that. after he went down he -- he allow him, you know, to get arrested. you know? yelled at him, put your hands behind your back. i remember very well. >> when he's screaming to put
your hands on your back at that point is his body limp? is he moving? is he making any sounds? >> when that happened i think he was unconscious, you know when that happened. i don't think -- there was no need to do that. but like i say, maybe the police saw it a different way. >> and after he handcuffed him what did the officer then do? >> after he handcuffed him he just went to get the taser. he went -- >> went to pick up the taser. >> yes. >> did you see him call call in shots fired or -- >> yeah yeah. >> you heard him say shots fired? >> yes. that was before arresting the victim. >> okay. could you hear anything else? >> no. that's all i heard. >> were there other people around who saw this with you? >> i don't think so. no. i don't think so. >> you just happened to be there? >> yes. >> and that's the way you go to work every day? >> it was the way to work. yeah. >> you say it was? you're not going that way anymore? >> i don't think so. >> anything want to add, anything i didn't ask you?
>> well, like i say, this is a very complicated situation and i'm from the dominican republic and in dominican republic we look for the united states, we follow over here you know what, the way is treated over here, the people like i say, and not just dominican republic all the spanish countries and all over the world. >> you look up to us? >> yeah. and i don't think this is good way to you know for us to see this. you know? >> what do you hope happens because you captured that scene? on your cell phone? what do you want to come from this? >> i hope like i say, i'm putting myself out here just like i say, to talk and to express this cannot be happening, not just in north
charleston but in the whole nation, i would say in the whole world. this needs to stop. you know? the cops taking advantage of their power, to the minority and to the people. >> 23-year-old feidin santana there, a barber here in north charleston who was on his way to work saturday when he saw something, heard some things that didn't sound right and he whipped out a cell phone. and, again, you just heard it there, saying that the video on his phone probably would not have been released had he not seen the initial coverage had he not read the police report and said to himself, this just ain't right. i'll be back a little later in the hour with much much more from north charleston south carolina, including how hillary clinton and rand paul are weighing in on all this and also talk to a south carolina state nart senator pushing for south carolina police officers to wear
body cameras, something else happening as well. i throw it back to my colleague at 30 rockefeller. hey, frances. >> astounding video on its own even more so when we hear feidin santana's account. craig melvin thank you very much. check in later on. bring you breaking news involving an emirate it's airline flight from dubai to new york. emirate flight 201 now diverting to manchester in the united states kingdom and its expected to land shortly. reports say they're in the uk the flight has been diverted for medical reasons, that nbc news has not yet confirmed that of course, we'll continue to monitor this breaking news. watch it closely and bring you any new developments as we get them here. all right. we are just getting started on this thursday edition of "the rundown." still ahead -- boston marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev is now facing the possibility of the death penalty. after jurors found him guilty on all 30 counts against him. hear from some of the victims, next. and check out mother nature here on display in kansas. oh, not just a tornado caught on
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most police officers are just outstanding citizens. >> okay you're right. >> but when we have a bad apple you ought to get rid of it. welcome back to "the rundown." i'm craig melvin with special coverage of this guelphing ingdeveloping story in south carolina. an unarmed man shooting renewing calls for police body cameras. this highlights the need for cameras. joined by south carolina state senator pushing for body cameras for some time and you live about 15 20 minutes from where we're standing right now. >> that's right, craig. >> this is your district. word yesterday the mayor is going to immediately purchase body cameras for every officer here in north charleston. how far is that going to go to repair the bond between police here and the folks they are
protecting and serving. >> thank you so much for having me craig. i think that will go a long way towards preparerepairing the bond. last year before this happened in may, i authored the proviso as part of state funding. it became part of the budget the house and the senate in a bipartisan way passed legislation to purchase those body cameras. >> reporter: what happened? >> so the body cameras he was speaking of are currently en route to north charleston and so we were very supportive well before this incident happened of having these officers wear body cameras. now, here's the reason why i offered that proviso last may. there was an escalating concern being expressed by the citizens in north charleston that will civil rights were being violated by police officers, and the city correctly recognized that there
was growing tension in the community, and they were very supportive of the initiative and that's why it got bipartisan support. >> reporter: so law enforcement here recognized that there was a problem, and essentially said, you know what? we need to do something? >> that's right. >> reporter: and were proactive. >> that's right. >> reporter: how was it received in the state house when you brought it up initially? was there bipartisan support? >> there's a video of me making the presentation and a number of questions were raised because many of the members of the general assembly thought that this, quite frankly, should have been funded at a local level rather than a state level. but in that floor speech i articulated the need north charleston is number one city in the state for retail sales. we have a growing commerce, thanks to boeing, and other industry that has moved here, and there is a need to make sure that the community members are satisfied that their well-being
health and safety a being protected, and therefore, the community can continue to thrive. so there was a recognition bipartisan recognition that we needed to do something along those lines. >> reporter: you're a lifelong south carolinian. it i'm from columbia about 100 miles inland and have heard from a number of folks over the past few days that have stheen s thats that have seen that video play out and have said oh boy. south carolina again. all of those racist red necks with their confederate flags and racist cops, hunt down black people in the streets. that is as you know unfortunately for a lot of folks in this country, a lingering perception. what do you make of that perception? >> well, first of all, this doesn't do anything to rep thathelp that reputation. let me be clear. they are serious -- there's a serious racial divide and polarization in south carolina. >> reporter: we don't know necessarily this was racial. i mean that's -- is that a bit
of a leap? >> i don't want to speculate, because i can't put myself in the officer's mind. >> reporter: right. >> but i -- i suspect if this were a white female or a white male, this may not have happened. >> reporter: okay. >> we have a culture in the community, and in the nation, and the evidence has been pretty much highlighted in video that african-americans have been treated differently. people are color have been treated differently. and that is why in july of last year i wrote a letter to the chairman of the judiciary committee calling for a racial task force to study the data that we have. >> reporter: look at numbers. >> to look at the numbers, to see who's being stopped and why. so the issue of deadly force is
one i believe if you look at the evidence that breaks across racial lines. >> reporter: thank you so much for your time. always good to see you. >> thank you. >> reporter: always good to see you. thanks again. state senator marlin gibson here. senator rand paul here in south carolina right now as well traveling right to the heart of this story, although not intentionally traveling into the heart of the story. the newly declared presidential candidate is in nearby mount pleasant at a campaign planned before news broke of the shooting. he addressed this incident late wednesday. take a listen. >> first, i'd like to say it's just a terrible tragedy and i hope justice does occur, but i do think that sometimes the way we report news, we tend to report the news of crime and so we see a lot of crime and we think it's representative of the whole, and i think when you look at police across our country, 98%, 99% of them are doing their job on a day-to-day basis and aren't doing things like this.
>> reporter: senator paul joins a growing list of officials, republican and democrat in condemning the actions of the officer here in north charleston including hillary clinton, who sent out this tweet last night. "praying for walter scott's family. heartbreaks and too familiar. we can do better. rebuild trust, reform justice system, respect all lives." msnbc's anthony terrell is with senator paul in mount pleasant this morning, on the trail with paul since his announcement earlier this week. anthony, can we expect senator paul to talk about this once again later today in mount pleasant? >> reporter: we can. good morning, craig. a senior source inside the rand paul campaign said expect the senator to address criminal just it reform more broadly. you heard him defense some police officers saying 98% to 99% of police officers are good people. he does support body cameras, called for in this situation. you can see behind me he'll talk about foreign policy. the uss yorktown is here to
dispel concern from some republicans who may be concerned about his foreign policy. they some call him an isolationist, but senator rand paul believes that an america that's strong enough to deter our enemies should also be an america strong enough to not getting into unnecessary intervention. so these are going to be some of the same themes we've heard this week. we are in south carolina. so he'll touch on both the criminal justice reform part of his broader campaign to expand the republican base as well as dispel some of the kearnsconcerns about his foreign policy beliefs. >> anthony, you know the senator's interview with savannah guthrie earlier today made news. senator paul got testy and into it with an associated press reporter as well when asked about his position on abortion. what's going on here? >> reporter: well he said he's an equal opportunity offender. when it comes to getting testy with the media. phil elliott with the associated
press the one who was questioning him about abortion and he told him to go back and play his whole five minutes of an answer on abortion similar to savannah guthrie. you saw kelly evans. critics say that this is showing a larger problem senator paul getting into this campaign has to grow a thicker skin some people have told me. as we get along sources closer to the paul campaign told me that as he does more media things will get better for the campaign. >> msnbc's anthony terrell traveling in south carolina with rand paul and, again, any republican who wants to be president has to come through south carolina. the palmetto state picked ep nominee correctly with the exception of the last cycle. picking newt gingrich. anthony, thank you, back at the top of the hour with much much more here in north charleston south carolina. for now back to frances rivera in new york. >> thank you, craig very much. let us turn to the latest in the increasingly complex fight
against isis in iraq. in a few hours vice president biden will deliver a major address on the future of that fight. on how to create a moirn collusive iraqi government ahead of iraqi prmt abadie's visit to washington next week. his first since becomes prime minister. in tehran in a televised speech earlier today, row rouhani refused to sign the deal unless all sanctions are lifted. joining us iraq's ambassador to the united states, thank you for being with us mr. ambassador. start with this this morning. words of rehounie seen as a tough bargains stance making it tough for the president's sell to congress. so what's your take on his comments this morning on refusing to endorse that nuclear agreement? >> well we in iraq agree with the deal. we think it will bring tension down in the region and we think what the initial agreements are, all positive signs, there is more work to do across both
parties, or actually across iran and the other six parties, but we are very supportive of that and i'm sure certain politicians will play politics with it but for now are determined iraq will support this and the attention in the reach's. >> not worried about the comments saying he's not going to sign or endorse this deal at this point? >> this has been a long negotiation. we played a very small part at the very early stages of it. we think that both parties want that deal and we are have confident that they will receive, and they will sort of achieve stability in the region. >> ambassador, i also want to ask you about isis and our fight against isis. what are you hoping to hear from vice president biden today, and is there any connection to this message that would be more potent to the iraqi government if it was coming from the president himself and they're not watching this knowing how important it is, saying if it was so important why wouldn't the president deliver those words? >> well, let's not forget that
the vice president, vice president biden, dealt with iraq for a long time more so during the previous prime minister's term. and the president took direct issues with president obama, to direct issue with iraq twice thereafter. a constant communication between our prime minister and president. next week the prime minister will be here and will you have discussion with the vice president and the president. we think that vice president biden's support is important. we will welcome that and we are already dealing with the white house as a collective -- >> and watching when that address is given at 12:30 eastern time here. i want to also ask you about the pentagon reported for mour u.s. and coalition air strikes against isis targets including near al anbar province. how effective of these strikes in helping the iraqi's military's efforts there? >> they are -- they have been a game-changer more so in anbar
and receiven recently in relation to tikrit it significantly helped us regain reduce collateral damp and alsoage and make sure control of the air and on the ground it is there with the support of the allies. we very much appreciate that. more to do. our prime minister was in that region yesterday. talking to the allies and talking to iraqis tribal and military. so there's more to do there, but we think that the u.s. support is very much appreciated, and it will constantly be needed moving forward. >> as we're all watching ambassador, thank you for your time and being with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. before we take a break, we want to let you know that the emirate's plane diverted to manchester england from dubai has landed safely. apparent layly a medical situation. the flight will continue on to new york in about an hour. up next weather alerts 65 million people are at risk of seeing severe storms today. packing high winds, heavy rain
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vantage point near the o'hare the toll road 294, traffic coming through building up at times, and it's been slowing down here and there, too, when the rain gets heavier. ironically enough over at o'hare a very very short distance as the crow fly, planes are still taking off and landing despite the thunderstorms rolling through over the last several minutes. that's been the scenario we had this morning. what's interesting is that later on today what we expect is possibly a little clearing. we're not talking about a total really dry air coming through, because dew points remain high. moisture content in the atmosphere is there and could bealities sunshine. a few breaks in the clouds that will cause things to heat up a bit, to help it destabilize. the low comes through, man, by the afternoon, could see more thunderstorm activity possibly large hail damaging winds, maybe even tornadic activity. my friends and yours bill karins is coming up shortly gishing a better idea what to anticipate not just in chicago but throughout the region. how it will affect millions of people. back to you. >> that time of year.
tornado season coming up. definitely going to be busy keeping dry and watching the storms. reynolds wolf thanks so much for that report. of course, more on that severe weather threat in our next hour. still ahead, president obama in support of lgbt inspired by a transgender teen who committed suicide after being forced to undergo so-called conversion therapy. now the president supports a ban on it. we'll explain, next.
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turning now to had a major development for lgbt youth in this country. president obama now says he supports a ban on conversion therapy on gay and transgender youth. the white house is responding directly to a white house petition calling for a ban on the practice that seeks to change an individual's sexual orientation or gender identity. it's the same so-called therapy that ohio teen lela alcorn was
forced to undergo before walking into traffic this past december. she said the only way i will rest in peace is in one day transgender people aren't treated the way i was. white house adviser valerie jarrett says president obama was moved by the store of leelah's suicide. a staff attorney for national center for lesbian right and born perfect campaign coordinator joins me now and we thank you for being with us. let's start with this especially as the name suggests converse therapy seeks to change the orientation of gay and transgendered teens but some say it goes so far to fix or repair them as well. kind of insinuating that they are broken. what -- what does it entail? >> yeah absolutely. thank you so much for having me. conversion therapy at its most basic is just a set of dangerous and discredited practices designed to change the sexual orientation or gender identity of a person usually a child. it can take place in this case in a doctor's office with a
mental health professional. it can take place in a church basement at hands of a faith leader, can even take place at summer camps. the techniques actually vari widely, but what's most important about it is that no matter the method it's equally destructive to have your core sense of self be told that it's wrong, especially as a child. >> you know what, even with that, it's just downright brainwashing some will call it and what i ask you about this a number of major medical associations have come out against conversion therapy saying it is dangerous and ineffective. so why does it still exist? >> yeah every major medical an mental health association in the country has actually come out against it. there's never been a universal consensus like this where we still have it practiced in 48 states. we were able to pass laws in california and new jersey and the district of columbia just in the last three years that protect youth under 18 from being subjected to conversion therapy at hands of a state licensed mental health professional but we still have so far to go. we still have the rest of the country and beyond that we have
conversion therapy that doesn't take place by a state licensed professional. we have unlicensed counselors and church basements and a lot is public education which the president's statement took a huge step forward in. what's that going to reach is reach parents who are the primary target of what is frankly an industry. most parents don't put their kids through conversion therapy because they hate them. they put them through it because they love them and they are scared for their well-being and what we are now telling them if you're going to put your child through this, you need to note risks first. you need to know it's been linked to depression, to substance abuse and as we know all too well even to suicide. >> let me ask you this. the president, even though he's taken this move that you say is a huge step he won't explicitly call for a federal law banning the therapies on their patients. he's open to the conversation. is that the next step? >> we know a law would take an act of congress. we're excited to work with states and about the prospect of
agency action and about the symbolic nature of this statement. >> all right? what the president said yesterday to lgbt kids all across the country going through conversion therapy you are not alone. are you not broken you were born perfect and we as a country won't stop fighting for you until you're safe. >> thank you so much for your time. thanks for being with us this morning. >> thanks so much for having me. >> still to come on run don, back out live to my colleague craig melvin live in charleston south carolina who will be joined by joy reed who speaks about with the shooting that took his brother's life. he says he won't be satisfied until he heard a guilty verdict and a severe weather let moving into major cities, st. louis and chicago, 65 million people could see major storms today. the latest ahead right here on msnbc. stay close. "ride away" (by roy orbison begins to play) ♪ i ride the highway... ♪ ♪ i'm going my way... ♪ ♪i leave a story untold... ♪
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diaz-balart back with another hour of "the rundown" here in charleston, south carolina for the special coverage of the shooting of an unarmed black man by a white police officer. i just head up with the law enforcement division overseeing the investigation. they indicate the dashcam video could very well be released tomorrow. at this point walter scott's death, the latest in a string of officer officer-related incidents that have been caught on video that have sparked a national debate about the use of excessive force by police. this video now seen by millions shot by faden santana who says he realized the magnitude of what he had just seen. >> i felt that my life in this information might be in danger. i thought about racing it and getting out of the community of north charleston and living some
place else. >> santana's video helped piece together saturday's events. tuesday officer michael sleigher was charge the with murder. >> do you have any questions for me, sir? >> no. >> reporter: over the past year video has been a catalyst for protest and nationwide cries in police procedures following the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown in ferguson missouri. since then the following have surfaced. cell phone video of staten island police putting eric garner in a chokehold. garner died. surveillance video in cleveland, ohio showing police and killing 12-year-old tamir rice after responding to a reports that he had a gun. turned out it was a pellet gun. >> may i see your license, please. >> get out of the car, get out of the car, and this one also in south carolina where a state trooper shot and wounded a man for reaching for his license. >> why did you shoot me? i just got my license. you said get my license. wednesday mayor keith summey
announce all north charleston police will soon be fitted with body cameras. >> body cameras are absolutely necessary, not just in south carolina and nationwide because you can expect to be treated better by someone that is wearing a microphone and wearing a camera at the same time. >> reporter: other police departments have done the same. seattle pd even posts their videos to youtube. >> where my head goes the camera goes basically. >> reporter: as we get more and more video what do you think that will mean moving forward? >> what it will mean is better treatment for minorities better treatment for our population that is so underserved by the police and better treatment for people like in this case that feel like the police simply aren't there to protect them. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: with the advance of technology, a hope for more accountability and transparency. i'm joined now but my colleague joy reed. as you know several months ago the white house approved more than $260 million for 50,000 body cameras to be used by police forces all over this country. what kind of an impact do you
think that's going to have moving forward? >> i mean, it depends, right, going back to the rodney king case, video is not necessarily a guarantor of a conviction of officers in a case like that or in a case like eric garner the eric garner incident which was taped so i think that there's a limit what have videotape can do. at the same time you even have people like congressman jim clyburn encouraging people to use their cell phone, to document what's happening. look the police department it does work for the public. >> right. >> but it's not exactly heavily supervised and the public does need some level of accountability and actually taping officers or having them tape their interaction with the public it's been shown to reduce negative interaction and might be only way to essentially have the population sort of supervise its police force. >> reporter: you sat down for an interview with the brothers of 50-year-old walter scott. how are they doing? >> it's really tough for this family. this is a very close-knit family. as you know, a very religious family and the brothers were all two years each apart.
they were exceptionally close, and i asked the older brother anthony scott what the impact in their mind of all the attention that they are receiving is and take a listen to what he said. what do you make as a family of all of the attention that this case has received? >> i think it's needed. i hate that it had to be a video to prove that it had to get taken to this level because we have fallen brothers all the time, all the time they just fall for a different reason in different parts of the country, and they are not investigated or taken to this level, and i think that it should be looked in deeper deeper. >> what do you think would have happened had there not been a video? >> we would not be at this point in the case that we are now. >> when you heard those initial stories, that walter had fought with the police officer, that the police officer was afraid of him and feared for his life what did you make of that? >> well my first thought was
him -- hearing that he ran is because i know that he's on child support and we talk about it all the time and he said that's what he would do he would run, you know pause he's not going to jail for child support so when i heard about him running, that's -- i knew that's all it had to have been. >> when you heard the initial reports that your brother, your younger brother, had fought with the police, the claim that he tried to take the police officer's taser, did that story ring true to you? >> no, it didn't ring true to me at all because the only thing that he had out there was the child support and being that he said he didn't want to go back to jail he would rather leave the scene than to stay there and have a fight with the police. >> that's interesting. we'll have much more of your
interview with the brothers a little bit later. i understand that one of their cell phones was confiscated by law enforcement. what more can you tell us about that? >> yeah both anthony and rodney scott separately went to the scene after their brother was shot and anthony, the older brother, said that he began taking pictures on the scene and that some of the officers from the north charlotte police department took his phone. he later did get the phone back and i did request comment from the north charleston police and did not receive comment and i walked back to the building to see if i could get the spokesman to comment on that but we'll await comment from the department. >> what did he say was on the phone? >> photos of the scene. the brother's body was under a blue tarp and he was just photographing what was happening because essentially he and his younger brother was in disbelief that this was their brother lying on the ground dead and they wanted to document is for themselves and precisely what we were discussing a lot of people even -- public officials are encouraging the public to do to get this information for yourself. that's what they were trying to do but the police told them they were not allowed to be there to
photograph. >> joy reid, always appreciate your reporting and and insight. >> i want to bring in the co-founder of black lives matter. patrice, your group has been make sure that its voice has been heard in the wake of that grave tragedy here in north charleston. could this mark a pivotal moment when it comes to quipping police with body cameras, and is that the cure-all? >> yes. i think this moment is a pivotal moment but i also think that eric garner was a pivotal moment mike brown was a pivotal moment. i think the ways in which we continue to see the murters of black people at hand of law enforcement becomes a moment where the nation has to really look at what law enforcement is really doing, and i don't think that body cameras are the end all and be all answer. i think that body cameras are a way but it's not the way. >> why not?
why the skepticism of body cameras? >> well i think that we've seen so many murders on camera and although north charleston is moving in the correct direction in convicting this officer with murder, we don't think that murder charges will ultimately provide accountability to law enforcement. we think that there's a vicious cycle inside of law enforcement across the country. we see it's a national crisis and we need to really redefine public safety. we need to look at public safety from a different lens and need to see public safety as black communities and poor communities having access to education, access to jobs and housing, and we need to redefine the role of law enforcement because right now they are essentially used as mental health providers, as social workers and counsellors and that's not what they are trained to do. >> have you been generally
satisfied with the response here in north charleston here so far? >> i've been satisfied with the ways in which the north charleston police department has stepped up to be accountable and transparent. i think the fact that they put the video out immediately i think the fact that they are convicting this officer is extremely important, but what i will say it's because so many people have been on the front lines calling for this. so many people have been yelling and screaming and showing up in the streets and saying our lives matter, black lives matter. >> patrisse cullers, thank you very much. the officer has been charged, not convicted just yet and he's not entered a plea. i'll be back more in the hour from south carolina including a conversation with race relations here in my home state, how they have changed and evolved over the years.
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support his campaign. the remarkable cash haul is sending even veterans of national politics. also today, senator rand paul continues his tour of key primary states. he is in south carolina today not far from where a police officer has been charged with a murder in the shooting death of an apparently unarmed suspect. with me now from south carolina is ed o'keefe of the "washington post." he joins us actually now there from the newsroom. let's start with this ed. we know that rand paul spoke earlier and had some brief comments about that shooting of walter scott and he's also expected to address it a little bit later while he's in south carolina. we also know that this stop there today was scheduled well in advance before this shooting. how is he going to balance that knowing it's an important stop on trail but he also has to address this? >> well, you know we'll see. that is candidate who has talked openly about wanting to interact with and woo african-american support back into the republican party. he's made it his mission to visit places like inner city chicago and detroit and
philadelphia to bring a sort of libertarianish message as he likes to say to communities where he thinks it might actually have appeal. this is potentially a pig moment for him to sort of align himself with those that are concerned about this down there. obviously there's a lot of concern about it and to tout his work on criminal justice reform. remember, this is somebody who has worked actively in congress to work on drug sentencing reform, prison reform and this conceivably fits into it. he was also one of the most outspoken republicans in the wake of the ferguson incident last summer. >> also want to ask you here about this new quinnipiac poll showing senator paul leading hillary clinton here in the swing states of colorado and iowa and slightly trailing her in virginia. okay granted, this is still very early on. hillary, yes, she has her headquarter space in brooklyn hasn't announced yet so of course we've got to throw out the grain of salt. we're talking about a dump truck of salt but where is he getting this traction early on? >> this is a state, iowa, especially where he and his
father previously enjoy a lot support. a very broad, deep network of rand paul support across the hawkeye state, more organic than it is for hillary clinton who has not done as much leg work over the last few months and years to cultivate iowa democrats or iowa swing voters for that matter. that's why we expect one of the first places she will visit is to demonstrate to democrats there and voters more generally that she's serious about running and wants their support. >> let's get behind the money, those really relating to senator ted cruz and this $31 million figure speaks to what's really going to be unprecedented levels of spending in this presidential campaign. the zeros just keep adding on and on and on for these campaigns. >> you know that dump truck of salt you were talking about, it should be dumped on this number. >> why? >> this is like me saying i'm going to have a ham sandwich for lunch and run a marathon. we don't know for certain that these groups have scooped up $31 million. they were claiming by the end of the week they will have commitments for $31 million.
not just one group, several super pacs. they won't have to provide that proof for several more weeks so, you know any of these groups can go out and say that but until they can really prove that they have it and tell us where it's coming from and they start spending isn't something we should take really seriously. 31 million an impressive sum. others are raising big money as well. shows that the super pacs will play a big role for both parties across the entire cycle. >> for now the check's in the mail. ed o'keefe from the "washington post," thanks for being with us. >> take care. up next verdict watch in the murder trial of aaron hernandez and take a look at this. sunshine, a rainbow, a tornado, nope, not dorothy and toto behind. we've also got hail and sideways rain, of course, only in kansas. this extraordinary weather combo caught on camera yesterday in deerhead, kansas. luckily no reports of any damage from the storm. that forecast is next right here
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developing now, severe weather pounded the midwest last night with more expected to be on the way here. baseball-sized hail, raging winds and in three states more than half a dozen tornadoes touched down but the storms had one unexpected upside a tornado. the days won't be as pretty ahead. jennifer delgado is in st. louis. >> reporter: we're in st. louis and have been going through rounds of storms bringing gusty winds. as we go through the afternoon, we'll look at severe threat once again increasing. i know yesterday we had a report of a possible tornado touching down, and it looks like today we could see more of this happening. we'll be looking at tor:con numbers. that's your tornado condition breakdown number setting up today right around 4, in addition to the tornadoes, we'll also be looking at hail as well
as possibility of more flooding around the st. louis area and some of those outlying regions and we'll continue to follow this coverage throughout the day. >> certainly a lot to watch. jennifer delgado, thank you very much. let's bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins with what's next in all these states. are we on the hinge now of tornado season. >> should be in the square middle of it. actually very late into the season. didn't have much last night, a couple tornadoes in rural areas. today we'll probably have the same, over rural areas or cities? that's what we'll find out later on tonight. the setup, our storm is on the move, starting to move a little bit closer, not that big. about that big. we'll be watching the storm head up towards the flakes as we go throughout the day. right now the worst storms have exited st. louis headed towards sham chain, lafayette, round one and round two is expected around 4:00 p.m. to probably about midnight or so and this area of oranges are enhanced ring. on the scale, we go from
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white police officer. we learned a short time ago that state authorities plan to release the dashcam video perhaps later today. it could be tomorrow. just hung up the phone with a spokesperson from the south carolina law enforcement division sled and he tells me that they have the video. they are just waiting for the green light from prosecutors to release that video. the part of the confrontation that was not caught on the cell phone video from a bystander, that's what's going to be released from the dashcam. this latest incident shining an uncomfortable spotlight on race relations in this country. the naacp counts 76 unarmed people of color killed by police in the last five years. the obama administration has open investigations of at least 20 police departments for alleged bias as well. here in south carolina in just the past five years there have been 209 shootings, 209 officer-involved shootings, and an officer has not been convicted in one.
i'm joined now by wesley lawry of the "washington post." do wish i could see you in a better circumstance. >> always find ourselves in these unfortunate stories of police shootings. >> on ferguson and on staten island as well. there's been comparisons made between the two but this story is very different in a lot of ways, how so? >> okay. one of the biggest differences, of course, is we have video. we can see with our own eyes. don't have to rely on witnesses or the media's interpretation of witnesses or spokespeople or third parties. we can see with our eyes the shooting itself very different than say the michael brown shooting. what's also different is the way that the local officials have handled it so quickly coming out and charging the officer, firing the officer and condemning the shooting. very different than most of the shootings we've covered. >> do you think that's because of what we saw in ferguson or do you think that any reasonable person who saw the video realized just how damning it was and didn't have a choice? >> would like to believe any person seeing that video would see how damning and would have
that are action and we see the ferguson effect from this shooting and other police shoot this is year. hundreds of police shootings this year. what we're seeing is that officials, local government officials, police chiefs know that they have to release information and have to be a little more transparent about these shootings in part because so much of the unrest in ferguson was about a lack of information. >> we have not seen the kind of protests or protests by and large at all here in north charleston in the wake of the shooting, nothing like what we saw in ferguson and nothing like what we really saw in new york after the officer wasn't charged in that case. why do you think that is? >> i would point, to one, this is very different from ferguson where within hours you had hundreds of thousands of people virtually in the street but i would liken this in some ways to new york. the weekend eric garner was killed. i remember sharpton calling a march that wasn't particularly well attended. it wasn't until the officer walked and not indicted in the crime that we saw massive i can't breathe protests.
what we point to here i think we all come back and will come back to what happens to this officer. yes, he's been charged. will he plea deal? will they lessen the charge and eventually will there be a conviction because while they have charged this officer with murder which is relatively rare what's even more rare is an officer being convicted of a murder during an on-duty shooting. >> again. especially here in south carolina you know in the past five years. that's a startling statistic, more than 200 an not a single officer convict. one of the things that's struck me about the response the official response here, you know state lawmakers, national lawmakers, invariably any time that there's a story like this you typically will have one or two folks who say something that's so ridiculous that's so against the grain. with this it really does seem like regardless of political affiliation and regardless of race the condemnation has been universal. >> almost completely. you had the police unit itself
coming out and, you know not completely condemning the shooting, but certainly not standing by the officer. you had national review publish a piece, publication very far to the right and often on the issues of races came out and made statement, this is in fenway park the anecdote unarmed black man being shot by a white officer in a city where there's not enough black officers the thing that central arteryin' was and that michael brown wasn'ty in conceded this is that anecdote and that case. again, the question is even if in that case with an unarmed black man with a white officer on video will there be a conviction? >> we'll turn to that. always good to see you. >> appreciate seeing you. >> appreciate your insight as well. covering the story for the "washington post" here in north charleston. i want to bring in professor jody armor of the university of southern california. professor, we had -- we had you on yesterday, and you made a number of headlines. the headlines you made essentially because of what you said on our air yesterday just because there is this damning
video that's been seen by millions around the world, that does not guarantee a conviction. i want you to start by elaborating on that and why you're so convinced that what we've seen doesn't necessarily mean that this officer is going to be convicted. >> you know we've had damning video evidence in the past that hasn't resulted in any action against the people involved in the video, for example eric garner, right? we saw that as a nation and there was no indictment returned. here in l.a. a video that hits even closer to home is the rodney king beating. it saturated the airwaves for weeks and months and there was videotaped evidence. a simi valley jury acquitted the officers of doing anything wrong and led to one of the greatest urban uprisings in american history, and they were retried by another jury and convicted, but just because you have that video evidence doesn't mean that the jury is necessarily going to conclude that what the officer
did was either wrong or was criminally culpable. >> i know oftentimes folks are reluctant to do this and i'm going to ask you to do it on live television nonetheless. spending late for me what a possible defense could be for this officer based on the video that we've seen and, again, bear in mind you know we've heard from an eyewitness who claims that -- and his lawyer says he fully expects that he will be called to testify in the trial. we've heard from this eyewitness who says that he can't really hear the officer saying anything or he can't hear the victim saying anything either. what could a possible defense look like. >> yeah, we have to give due process even when you have videotaped evidence to the defendant, and if i were representing him i would say something along the lines of you had a fleeing felon who had grabbed his taser and had struggled with him so posed some kind of continuing threat to the
community of violence and under the tennessee versus garner decision you can't use lethal force against a nonviolent fleeing felon that is unarmed and non-dangerous, but if he's dangerous, if he poses a threat to the community, can you use lethal force against him so the officer will have to convince the jury that i thought this fleeing felon could go out there and do some real harm to more people and i had to prevent it. >> how would the officer explain not appearing to -- attempt to revive the suspect? >> well he would say, yeah you know, i was -- i was caught up in the heat of the moment maybe i didn't do everything just right at that moment but what you are really prosecuting me for are the initial shots when he was running away and when he was running away and i was squeezing off those initial shots i was worried that he was going to go out and do further violence or harm to somebody, and i had to stop that and the supreme court allows me to do that in tennessee versus garner.
>> professor jody armor of the university of southern california, wanted to be sure to get you back on because it's such a unique perspective. thank you so much, sir. appreciate you. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to throw it back to my colleague frances rivera now in new york. >> thank you very much, craig. on the road with president obama, we're expected to see president obama on day two of his trip to jamaica this morning, the first u.s. president to visit the country in three decades. day one included an unscheduled visit to the bob marley museum where the song "one love" played in the background as he got a tour, all ahead of his arrival tonight in panama city for summit of america where tensions turned violent on the streets of panama city yesterday between cuban pro-democracy activists and pro-castro activists in front of the embassy in panama. president obama is expected to announce that he will he'll take cuba off the state sponsors of
terror list. a look at some of the arrivals coming. the presidential delegation here as he's expected to arrive there and senior white house correspondent christian jansing is in panama city ahead of the president's arrival. chris, talk about the significance of this expected announcement from president obama. >> reporter: tremendously significant, frances. it does a number of things. one, it really puts a punctuation point on this normalization of relations but it opens up new markets for cuba. when you saw people celebrating, when you've seen the most recent poll that shows how popular president obama is in cuba it's because they believe this normalization of relationship will mean a better life a better financial situation for cuba so this removes age pediment to many countries that would not do business with someone on the state-sponsored terror list and allows both countries to move forward with opening embassies. there was hope that that would happen by the time the summit began but the removal from the
state-sponsored terror list means relations move to the diplomatic level. >> any questions for president castro on human rights issues here. >> reporter: it's going to be interesting to see right in the big buildup is this face-to-face meeting that we will have between raul castro and president obama. they did shake hands at nelson mandela's funeral and had a phone call when the president first announced this move towards normalization back in december. there is no formal one-on-one meeting that is scheduled, but we often see in these summits that world leaders go aside and have conversations and it's still possible that they could announce some sort of more formal meeting, and we do know that in that conversation that the president had back in december, he said he pressed forcefully with raul castro about human rights and it's something that senior administration officials say that he will continue to do and you saw that there have already been some demonstrations and the pushback from people both in
the united states and within cuba about this change in diplomatic relations is about the ongoing concern for human rights in cuba. >> we're watching the delegation of the arrival of the president there in kings ton, jamaica. we appreciate it in panama there ahead of the president's arrive. keeping a live picture in jamaica, as, again, the president may be arriving for a guest book signing ahead of the bilateral meeting with prime minister portia simpson miller. some perspective here as far as the lesson -- the only other president to visit jamaica was ronald reagan in 1982 so you can see here now the president coming out and shaking his hands on day two of this visit to jamaica there. of course, we'll continue to watch this as the president there is greeted inside with hugs leading to his book signing. of course, we'll watch the activities coming out of kingston and, of course, the president flying to panama city for that summit of the americas.
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jurors in the marathon bombing trial could begin hearing evidence in the penalty phase as early as monday. they will decide whether dzhokhar tsarnaev will get the death penalty or life in prison. the jury convicted the 21-year-old yesterday on all 30 charges in the april 2013 attack that killed three people and injured 260 others. survivors of the attack reacted to the verdict after it was announced. >> we're obviously grateful for the outcome today. it's not a happy occasion but it's something that we can put you know one more step behind us. >> i may be standing on one fake leg, but i'm standing here stronger than ever because someone tried to destroy me and he failed. >> for me the mom of two boys that were hurt so bad and to see
so many injured that day and to see what they suffer and they go through, and i solely speak for myself, i want the death penalty. >> let me bring in "weekend today" analyst. thanks for being with us. as we put this in perspective, the jury is having a couple of days and weekend to kind regroup and recess after what they have been through as they start the penalty phase. how will that play out and especially knowing the next phase when they are really going to decide if tsarnaev should face death? >> here's the meat of the case at least for the defense attorneys, because they had already admitted guilt, so now you're in let's save his life mode, and, really it's really dependant on the makeup of the jury and what the psychology there is. you would be amazed at how many people in this day and age watching "law & order" and "csi" think going to jail for life is much worse punishment than death. how many jurors feel that way, you don't know that yet. >> okay let me be a martyr in
my cause. >> right. >> let me die for this. talk a little bit about what comes into play when it comes to everyday here because there was so much compelling evidence that we saw during the actual trial here. what are we going to see? are we going to see more survivors and hearing from them and their pleas hand how he should be getting the death penalty? >> the show is the defense's at this point and trying to save his life so the strategy is really to bring witnesses forward to make it look like the defendant here was ma nip late, that he was just the little brother in tow, so you're going to be hearing a lot of that type of witnesses. hopefully some family members who can attest to that type of relationship but then again this is pretty gruesome so the fact that they are going to be able to do that. if there was ever a case for the death penalty, here it is. >> and it has to be unanimous. >> yes. >> these jurors all have to decide. takes just one juror to say i'm not for it. >> and we knew during the jury voir dire there were jurors who said they did believe that the death penalty was not as bad as solitary confine president and
being in a super max. >> karen de soto thanks for that perspective. appreciate it. president obama in jamaica right now and moments ago was greeted by the prime minister and signed a guest book and the two are sitting down for a meeting. here's a look at that video. and at white house new troubles for the embattled secret service. the department of homeland security inspector general is investigating and a supervisor has been placed on administrative leave after the overs was accused of making unwanted sexual advances to a female co-worker. a source close to the investigation tells nbc news that supervisor's security clearance has also been suspended. let's go live to nbc's kristen welker. what more have you learned about this? yet another hit for the department. >> reporter: it is indeed, frances. here's the very latest that we know at this point. according to a source familiar with the investigation, the secret service director has placed a senior supervisor javier morales on leave and suspended his security clearance
after a female employee accused him of making unwanted sexual advances towards her last month. now the female employee complained about the alleged incident a week ago accusing morales who is her boss, by the way, of grabbing her arm and then asking to have sex with her after a work party on march 31st. in a statement director joseph clancy said, quote, any threats or violence that endangers our employees in the workplace is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. now, this is the latest setback for the agency, as you point out, frances, after a series of embarrassment. most recently two secret service agents allegedly drove a government car near the scene of an investigation outside the white house after a night of drinking. that is still being investigated. the department of homeland security inspector general and d.c. police sex crimes unit are investigating that latest incident. by the way, so far no comment from morales. frances. >> wow, another damning incident adding even more heat to joseph clancy there as we've seen. kristen, also want to ask you about the president. here we know he is in jamaica. now, we saw that video moments
ago, but, of course he's called for an end of so-called gay conversion therapy for youth there and how that ripple effect is coming in saying it's long overdue. many advocates saying it's long overdue. what is he saying? >> reporter: it's getting a lot of headlines, you're absolutely right. the president has called an end for conversion therapies for gay and transgendered youth that comes after a petition that was posted on white house.gov in honor of a 17-year-old transgendered youth who committed suicide back in december. she wrote a note saying therapists tried to convert her to a boy after she reassigned herself as female that. petition got 320,000 signatures in three month. one of the president's type advisers valerie jarrett condemned conversion therapy and wrote as part of our dedication to protecting american youth, this administration supports the use of efforts to ban conversion therapy for minors. the ms. jarrett says the problem
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