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on the arrest of an hohmannohio ohio man accuse edd of going to syria. plus a flying bike appearing on federal grounds. and innew reaction for a deputy who says there's no truth to the new allegations that his training records were fabricated. plus is he or isn't he? chris christie talks to matt lauer about his plans to run for president. and the incredible video of one woman's encounter with a massive wave. we want to start with breaking news. federal agents arrested a man for going overseas trying to get terror training and returning to potentially carry out attacks here at home. justice correspondent pete will williams joins me with the latest. bha are you learned? >> this is a follow up to an arrest that factor place in february in. ohio. now the same man who is from columbus has been charged by u
federal r authorities. he left the u.s. in april of last year, 2014 to train and fight with terrorists in syria. they say he's a naturalized citizen from somalia. he got a passport and bought a one one-way ticket to greece to connect through istanbul to athens. but he got off in istanbul and went into syria and got training in firing weapons, explosives, hand to hand combat and he came back into the u.s. in 2014. once here, he told someone in the united states that he was instructed by a cleric in what the court documents call the organization, they don't say isis, to come back to the u.s. and commit an act of terrorism. he told that person, who was not named in court documents, that he wanted to target the armed forces. he wanted to go to texas and kill three or four soldiers execution style or attack anybody wearing a uniform.
he was arrest eded on state charges in peb. now he's been charged in federal custody. authorities say his brother had gone to syria before him and fought with a front going to there in 2013. he was killed in a battle about a year later. >> pete williams reporting from washington, stay with us for this next story because we want to get you on the record about what's take inging place as we watch this developing news on the postal workers who flew a gyrocopter on the capitol grounds to the amazement of everybody. 61-year-old doug hughes now expected to appear in court any moment to face federal charges. he flew 65 miles from pennsylvania to washington, d.c. it's a stunt that hughes devised a year ago hoping to send a message to congress to clean up money in politics. here's what he told the tampa bay times. >> change the government to build a wall of separation between the government and big money so that government will
represent the people. >> homeland security secretary jay johnson told peter alexander this morning that he's not sure whether the incident should prompt any major security changes changes. >> my first reaction was, what's a gyrocopter? i had to see an image of it oh yes, that is a gyrocopter. we know a lot already, but the facts are not in yet completely. i want to know all the facts before i reach an assessment of what can and should be done about guy ro continuers in the future. >> do you think the pilot should be punished? log on to msnbc.com and cast your vote there. luke russert joins me now. luke, i want to start with you. tell us about the court hearing in just a few minutes. >> it's at 1:30 here in federal court in washington, d.c. from my conversations i have had
had with pete williams, there's not a lot the fed's can do here possibility that they would charge him with having an unregistered gyrocopter or perhaps some sort of federal violation of these aviation laws. what's so striking thomas is i have been doing research on this. he was able to penetrate three separate layers of secure air space. the layer around maryland, the immediate layer around d.c. and closer suburbs and then the area around the national mall. so for him to do that and walk away with just perhaps at least legally a slap on the wrist i think will strike people as odd. i asked a few members of congress what they thought should happen and most think he should be punished because there needs to be some sort of punishment that makes sure something like this does not happen again. it happened in a way that can be
far more nefarious. >> homeland security got lucky with somebody that wanted to make a political statement by doing this and for something else, not about security. pete, let me ask you about this. there's a notion security got a heads up about this. what have you been hearing from your sources? >> well what they say is 1:00 yesterday a reporter from the newspaper the tampa bay times called the secret service headquarters here in washington to ask if the secret service was aware of a permit obtained by doug hus to fly and land on the capitol grounds with a gyrocopter. they were unaware of the requests and referred them to capitol police. but they say that at no time were they alerted to the fact that he was in the process of flying his gyrocopter into this area. and i'm watching your survey here. he is going to be punished, he's going to be charged with something. >> it's amazing that there are so many eyes in the sky that captured video of this and the
fact that this was well known, and that he had laid out his plans online and the reporter having access to the fact he was going to be carrying this out, the route he was going to take. it's fascinating. pete williams and luke russert reporting for us. what do we know about what's allowed when it comes to flying anything around the nation's capitol? want to bring in francis rivera who has a deep dive on that front. >> it's fascinating. we know that area is really the most restricted in the united states. let's start with this. the federal aviation administration implemented restrictions after the 9/11 terror attacks. here are the three specific levels luke russert touched on them briefly. a special flight rule area here that is shown in the area of this kind of a light lavender. pilots have to provide a flight
plan and maintain special contact with air traffic control. this shown in red, that area is the flight restriction zone that's close to the majority of air traffic, unless authorized by the faa. and the third, where you see in green, that covers the national mall and naval observatory. those are no-fly zones. take a closer look at those no-fly zones. it went into effect in 2003. tlieing in that zone requires pilots to adhere to specific standards like flying at 180 knots or less. . it extends around three major airports and you can see within this area that there's a flight restricted zone here. it's the outer yellow portion. inside is that flight restricted zone in orange. it has even stricter rules. it specifically covers reagan
and the only flights allowed are scheduled commercial flights in and out of reagan. let's zoom into that area here even closer. at that no-fly zone otherwise known as p-56. it sounds mysterious. this includes the white house around this area it's all the area in red. that includes the white house and over here is the vice president's residence. so you can see only aircraft allowed here are specially authorize ed authorized through the secret service or the president. it cannot fly above 18,000 feet. you can see from this perspective exactly where the gyrocopter landed. very close and within very restricted area in that sense. so we found some information on the number of security-related air space violations in d.c. as of 2005. the faa says there were 2200 violations and that was ten years ago, but as we just saw, it's still happening today. so now let's get. an update on the question of the day.
we asked you, do you think the gyrocopter pilot should be punished yes or no. vote now at pulse.msnbc.com. let us know as you continue to follow our coverage. just a quick update. we just launched this a little bit ago. 57% said no should not be punished. 43% say yes, that pilot of the gyrocopter should be punished. these are realtime responses. we want you to weigh in. >> it certainly shows poor security issues in the nation's capitol and how do they warn this guy if someone else were to try this again to make sure they get them down safely or are they going to shoot somebody out of the sky if they don't know their intent? >> when they are going. under the radar, even tougher. as the 2016 presidential race hits up, chris christie is mulling his own potential run. he sat down for an exclusive interview with "today" and
christie told matt lauer that despite the recent setbacks, there's room for another governor in the gop race. his reasoning, jeb bush's momentum has stalled. >> you look at a potential run, is he your biggest rival? >> well i don't know. you would have thought when he announced in december that he would be. but it seems to me that that train has slowed down pretty significantly from what i have seen around the country. >> reporter: we are live in new hampshire with more on this. so bridgegate indictment may come down soon. chris christie's poll numbers are down severely. in looking at this interview from matt lauer, did christie reveal much of a strategy moving forward? >> reporter: you know, going forward, chris christie is trying to push -- set the reset button on 2016. he's been spending a lot of time here in new hampshire, which is
quickly emerging as a do or die state for the governor. so you know, in terms of strategy, he's spending a lot of time here holding meet and greets and a town hall and even pushing forward on a somewhat controversial entitlement program, in which he wants to raise the retirement age to 69. in going after jeb bush specifically he's trying to say that jeb bush is no shoe-in and to not forget about him and to keep him on your radar. >> we will continue to watch and see his movements with chris christie having visited new hampshire and what that state means in the all-important primaries. thank you so much. coming up an internal investigation has been launched into the background of the volunteer tulsa deputy robert bates after he fatally shot eric harris. accusations that his resume is padded would be false. plus details about the cop who rammed into. an armed suspect in arizona.
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new developments regard inging the disturbing vid e owe out of arizona. the officer accused of running down an armed suspect with his patrol car was previously involved in an nypd lawsuit. this is according to court documents cited by kboa in tucson in 2005. he faced a lawsuit in new york where he was previously an nypd officer. he was alleged to have threatened to shoot a man, and handcuffed and choked him. lawyers for the officer denied those allegations, but they do
acknowledge the officer pointed a gun at the man, ordered him back in the car and handcuffed him. the suit was settled when the city paid the man $20,000. in the arizona case, the officer was cleared by the county prosecutor, but the incident is under further investigation by internal affairs. following this developing news out of tulsa. there's been movement there. the sheriffs office will conduct its own internal review of its deputy reserve program. this move coming on the heels of a 73-year-old volunteer who says he accidentally shot an unarmed suspect and killed him. robert bates was charged monday in the death of a 44-year-old eric harris. he tried to sell guns to an officer and then fled. now the tulsa world is citing unnamed sources saying that supervisors were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy's training records giving him credit for field training e he never took and firearm certifications he should not
have received president. the paper talking about robert bates. a statement reads, the suggestion that the training was fabricated is incredulous. nbc news has not confirmed the story, but when we asked about the report, a major said the media outlet that is putting that information out is using unconfirmed sources and relying on anonymity. we don't respond to rumor. joining me is sheryl dorsey. what's your reaction to this report and how the sheriffs department is reacting to questions about his verified status to be a volunteer? >> hi thomas thank you for having me. here's what i will say about that. there certainly needs to be an indpept review regarding the kwafgss of mr. bates. i expect that the sheriff would say exactly what he said because he understands that a civil suit is coming. so if the information was
incorrect, that the local newspaper was reporting, they could put this to bed yesterday by just providinge inging documentation. let's take away that he was properly trained. i'm bothered by the fact that by his own admission, he hadn't fired his weapon since the fall of 2014. and why is a 73-year-old even allowed a part-time deputy allowed in such a high profile, high pressure incident. >> it's a good question and a lot more to come as the investigation continues. here's what one of the reporters on the story told a colleague of mine this morning, who was defending the report. take a listen. >> there's a document that i can't really discuss right now that will will become public at some point. there's also the sheriff that says they have lost deputy bates handgun training records. they have lost lost those and don't even know if he's qualified. >> so as we look at this how do
you lose training records? >> listen you don't lose training records. they probably don't exist. that's a very important document. so you would not lose something like that. for the sheriff to come out and say that he saw no problems with his reserve program is problematic for me. that's why there needs to be an independent review. my prayer is not that the independent reviewer is not that independent consultant from tulsa city sheriffs department who came out and said that there was a perfectly logical explanation, a scientific phrase called slip and capture. i have a scientific phrase that i would like to use called eded b and s. it's outrageous. >> sheryl thank you, we appreciate your time. coming up what did we learn about hillary clinton's position on the issues from her trip to iowa? francis is going to break down
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we have an update from l.a. where a judge ordered shug knight to stand trial for murder. he allegedly hit two men with his pickup truck in january killing one and seriously injuring the other. the decision to go to trial comes despite testimony telling detectives that he attacked knight but saying he didn't remember the fight and did not want to be a snitch.
vladimir putin compared the u.s. to the soviet union during the call-in show. the four-hour show let's russians ask putin various questions. putin said it wasn't good when the old soviet union trying toied to control eastern europe and then he said that's what the u.s. is doik doing around the world today. there was one lighter moment when a woman asked poout on to tell her husband to let them get a dog at home. he's been seen cuddling and petting a number of dogs. he's owned several. he told the woman's husband, please let your wife have a dog. returning to domestic politics politics. hillary clinton made several comments about her stances on certain issues perhaps a preview of what's to come this election cycle. francis is back with a look at that. very interesting that she did so through surrogates, making these statements not so much herself
declaring them in front of the camera camera. >> she was able to sketch out a glimpse of some of of the the issues he will run on. let's go over what she had to say at these roundtables with iowa voters starting with this. campaign finance, an issue that draws a lot of controversy. there was the issue of the supreme court's ruling. here's what clinton had to say. >> we need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment. >> and to community college, an issue president obama recently took up. hillary clinton fully supports president obama's plan to make it free for qualified students. and here's what she had to say on that pre-k programs. >> how do we have i love your phrase, an opportunity system. we have to start that in pre-k, i think we have to give more kids the chance to get ready.
>> on paid family leave, take a listen to what clinton said about that. >> we are the last developed country in the world that has no national paid leave for parenting, for illness. >> of course you couldn't ignore this obamacare. something that has created a lot of controversy for the obama administration, but clinton says she wants to build on it. >> i am committed to trying to build on what works in the affordable care act. part of what i'll be doing during the campaign is looking for ways that we keep what works and what's lowering costs. >> another hot button topic, immigration reform. take a listen. >> we are really missing out on economic opportunities because we haven't been able to agree on comprehensive immigration reform. we are saying to all these other people who want the same dreams
and the same, you know, aspirations and the willingness to work hard, just like our families did, that no we're not going to make it easy for you or legal for you. >> and clinton talked about making equal pay for enforceable enforceable. she says she hopes to continue pushing legislation on that matter. but here we go. we talk about tangible issues that she's referencing. especially when you have bernie sanders saying where does she stand. she didn't touch on that when it came to her video but we're hearing it from iowa. >> we continue to get surrogates giving out drips and drabs of information. people are frustrated they haven't had access to her yet. it's early, but the access will come and we'll hear directly from her. in the next hour a look at the clinton foundation's decision to accept donations from certain countries.
hillary clinton is seeking the presidency, could it become a larger campaign issue? also coming up, two army reservists are under arrest after getting caught in an undercover weapons for cash sting. we'll have an update from the pentagon. also the latest on the story of a good samaritan who makes a life-save ing life-saving rescue and then vanishes.
lessons from. >> useful lessons for sure. that was josh ernest with reaction to the gyrocopter landing at the capitol. any minute now, the man who piloted the flight is expected in court. he flew from pennsylvania to the nation's capitol completely unnoticed. he came up with this idea about a year ago hoping to deliver a message to lawmakers that they need to clean up money in politics politics. agents interviewed hughes in 2013 and said a complete investigation had been conducted. they are pushing back on the notion that they were given any advanced notice about this stunt. my colleague andrea mitchell asked congressman cummings about the secret service's role. >> one of the things we have noticed is when interviews are conduct conducted of people who are now announced themselves to be a threat whether the appropriate procedures are taken to make
sure that they are properly investigated. and if appropriate, followed. >> so joining me now is anthony romans romans, a licensed commercial pilot. let's start with the big question. how was this pilot able to completely go under the radar for this entire flight? >> well, what has happened here is absolutely remarkable. the air defense zone is a 60-mile circumference zone that takes up baltimore, washington, d.c. and dozens of surrounding smaller airports. there are very specific regulations to flying in this area and very specific warning to all pilots relative to the risk of being shot down or detained or arrested. if you fly in there without proper organization. how he did it, the gyrocopter presents a low radar target. he flew a tree top and rooftop level, which is an incredibly
dangerous thing to do. he posed tremendous risk to everyone on the ground even though if he felt that this was harmless, it was not a harmless stunt stunt. what he did was incredibly dangerous. >> so how do we update radar, then, to be able to track an aircraft like this? is the fact that it's able to travel at such low height that it appears on radar almost as an automobile would. >> i don't think it would appear on radar as an automobile but he would be invisible to most air traffic control radar unless he was very close to the station. the problem with this is he masked himself behind the terrain. much as military aircraft mask themselves on the way to pursue an attack. so ground-based radar or other technology is available and perhaps we have it and it's top
secret perhaps we don't. but what we should have is ground base radar at various segments and sectors of this ground defense zone and air defense zone to pick up small crafts such as this. the question then becomes what do you do o about it? you have this gyrocopter traveling at 60 miles to 75 miles an hour at tree top levels. can't shoot it down. what if you try to bring in an assault helicopter and block its way. very dangerous low altitude ma maneuvering presents a greater risk. the fact of the matter is guy ro continuers -- gyrocopter is very small so perhaps they knew about it, perhaps they didn't but i think they followed the proper procedures in terms of containing him after he landed. least amount of risk to everyone. >> anthony roman, great to have you on appreciate it. and francis is back with an update as we have been asking
you our pulse question of the day getting your reaction to the charges. what's going on? >> interesting when we asked our viewers. do you think that gyrocopter pilot should be punished? let's take a look at where we stand. take a look at the score board. 73% now say no he should not be punished. 27%, yes, we did a check ten minutes ago and it was a little close to being split. look how that has changed. let's break it down with gender and take a look at what men and women are saying. as you can see, males represented in blue. kind of going the neutral. some skewing close to yes. females not quite from no to neutral, but take a look in just the past minute. those of you who have logged on to pulse.msnbc.com and voted, a lot of you are skewing closer to no. some women have gone up to neutral, but interesting to see how that's changing. now it's dropping even more.
let's take a look at education. people with high school degrees believe the pilot should be punished, but other educational levels disagree. and pretty much all besides those with bachelors degree in just the last few minutes here a lot of you with high school degrees, associates are kind of siding towards the no. as far as political party, republicans are split as to whether or not he should be punished. democrats think he should be punished than not. keep the votes coming because that will cause it to o shift and you'll see it move as you continue to vote. independents kind of siding to neutral here. democrats more to no. pretty much everybody across the board in the last minute sideing towards no. you can see why we have that overwhelming amount. >> really is wild. because of the context that we now know it's a 61-year-old
mailman from florida coming to make a message, people are voting no thinking he shouldn't be charged. but i wonder if we change our question to being should -- she said, yes, i will. but should he have been shot down? in the future, somebody pulls a gyrocopter out and don't know the context. >> somebody else could be carrying something else. >> please don't kill us in the commercial break. two active members of the army national guard in california have been arrested. they were caught in a sting. the men were trying to sell stolen arms and ammo to a mexican drug cartel. these are stills that were snapped by a neighbor of one of the men, and you can see the authorities outside the apartment complex where he lived. our affiliate in san diego spoke with another neighbor who asked to remain anonymous. >> there was about 10 to 15 members of atf with automatic weapons pointed at my neighbor's
door. >> jim miklaszewski joins us from the pentagon. what kind of weapons are they aused of selling? >> these two national guard soldiers are accused of attempting to sell automatic weapons, some of them high powered assault rifles along with ammunition and body armor, to people who they thought were connected to mexican drug cartels. and those two national guard soldiers are to appear later today in a federal court in san diego to face these charges. now, according to officials, while the two thought they were selling weapons to somebody who could transport them to mexico to provide them to those drug cartels, there were no cartels, there were no drug lords involved in this. they were allegedly selling these weapons to undercover
agents from the federal tobacco, alcohol and firearms bureau. and so this was a sting operation from the very beginning contrived, but there was also some reporting and allegations that they were buying weapons in texas illegally transporting them across state lines. it's likely they will be charged in federal court with both theft and illegal transportation of weapons. but military officials are telling us there was never any danger that these weapons that were being purchased by federal authorities acting undercover would have fallen into the arms of drug cartel either in the u.s. or mexico for that matter. >> thank you sir, appreciate it. coming up, running for president or not? we'll talk with the former rhode island governor live about his intentions. plus meet the new designer drug driving users to do insane
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clinton's first official opponent. mark is this a big oops? >> it's not an oops, but it's the latest sign he's getting closer to a bid. most took him at his word that he was exploring a run that he's probably going to run. he has a big challenge in that he was someone who was a republican senator from rhode island. then he became an independent governor. maybe his biggest challenge was that he was unable to run for reelection. he decided not to run for reelection, but one of the reasons why is his numbers weren't that great. becoming an independent turned democrat wasn't going to help him much winning that democratic primary. so a lot of challenges, but what is interesting is he will be coming at hillary clinton's left on foreign policy include inging the iraq war. >> and everything is all dependent upon that all important paperwork filing. >> exactly, the paperwork filing
with the federal election commission is really when you know somebody is running other than having the big rally we saw marco rubio have at the beginning of this week. so it looks like he's going to run, but we'll be watching the paperwork. >> we have him as a guest in the next hour. thank you, sir. and in the next hour, i'm going to ask the man himself, lincoln will join me and we'll see if this was a slup of the tongue or an unofficial presidential announcement. a new designer drug is sweeping the state of florida. this man, take a look, seen naked was high on $5 insanity. police say the same about this man, who claimed he was god. he attacked an officer after being twice tased and he ran naked through a community. it's more potent and addictive
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courtesy of ourselves with the spin of the "daily show's" jon stewart. seriously. >> we thought we'd check in with our pals the television media, with a segment we call -- seriously, guys what are we doing here? >> she's going to the back. >> wow, there -- >> we'll see her very soon. >> guy in the orange spants pretty quick. alex i mean i'm looking at these people -- wow. orange pants, he's really outnumbered now by all of the people racing around the back. >> hey. orange pants has a name. [ laughter ] >> he's a person. his name is -- had is interesting. phil orangepants. >> i do put the emphasis on the wrong syllable a lot. the man with the orange pants is a british photographer, chris lane working for a magazine. he said it was only his second day that he wore those pants and was already being made fun of by british reporters that morning.
he has no hard feeling about this, and apparently the "times" of london, frances, working on a story on orange pants about what it's like to become a meme. >> orange pant -- go to nantucket with the nantucket reds cape cod, he'll be a hit. >> can you imagine orange pants? he stood out. >> thanks to you. >> yes. thanks to jon stewart. our next story -- >> dramatic video of a woman being swept away by a huge wave. watch this. on the coast of ireland. an american captured the incident on camera here. you see that massive wave slam into the side of the cliff, knocking a college student from india into the blow hole. an irish paramedic who saw it happen rushed to help. called the coast guard and then you know, made a makeshift rope. and eventually he and others were eventually able to pull her to safety. luckily she came away only after all of that with just a broken ankle. >> wow. >> and a story to tell. >> that's a miracle. police in idaho have identified the good samaritan who rescued a man whose suv was dangling 30 feet from the bottom
of a cliff. police say that jason warnoch was driving when he noticed the suv hanging off the cliff. he tried to smash the passenger side window but of unable to. he said he was able to talk the 23-year-old driver into rolling down the window so he could pull him to safety. warnoch of working and couldn't stay after officers had arrived. he was also trying to stay under the radar to avoid publicity out of this. police say the accident was apparently triggered by some sort of mental or emotional episode. the driver told police he heard a song on the radio that convinced him it was his time to die. he closed his eyes took his hands off the wheel, and pressed the accelerator. it crashed through the shrubs tree, and fence. that prevented the car from falling over the cliff. the 23-year-old is recovering from minor injuries and getting treatment for mental health issues. now we reached out to the fwloofr shot the scene -- photographer who shot the scene,
but he's declining interviews. >> amazing moment captured. we have a lot going on this thursday. coming up in our next hour we'll take you back to the gyrocopter story. this landing on capitol hill on the grounds yesterday. that pilot now in court that hour. he says he did it to bring attention to campaign reform. but what he really brought attention to was bad security in the nation's capital. our pulse question for you -- is he clearly broken a law, but some say he's a patriot. do you think he should be punished? the field for democratic nominee for president 2016 getting more crowded. i'll speak with a potential candidate, former rhode island governor lincoln chafee. well, my ultimate goal when i came here... cam asked me and i said, "i wanted to win the masters." i really don't know what to expect until i go out there and play.
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it's also the "pulse" question do you think he should be punished? and the case of a reserve deputy sheriff charged with manslaughter. questioning whether he should have had a gun at all. also ahead -- i am far, far finished with my career. >> chris christie will he or won't he? a one on one with matt lauer. moments from now, we'll have our own one on one with a potential 2016 challenger to hillary clinton. former rhode island governor lincoln chafee. great to have you with me this hour. i'm thomas roberts. we have breaking news and federal charges filed against an ohio man accusing him of going to syria to get terrorist training and returning to the u.s. allegedly on orders to commit an act of terror on armed forces or police officers. joining me from washington is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete what more do we know about this man? >> reporter: he's 23 years old,
from columbus ohio. he's a somali native, came to the u.s. got u.s. citizenship, and then a u.s. passport according to authorities. his name is abdel rahman sheikh muhammad. he went to syria bought a plane ticket to greece that was supposed to connect through istanbul. they say he got off the plane, made his way into syria. got some training there for a couple of month, said he wanted to commit gee he there and -- jihad there and was told by a clerk to come here and commit a terrorist act. according to authorities, he talked to two people in the united states who are not identified in court documents today and told them that he wants to target the military or police or anybody in uniform, suggested maybe he wanted to go to texas and kill a couple of soldiers execution style. now authority say he decided to go to syria after his brother had gone there the year before. they say his brother joined with
the al nusra group and later died in fighting there. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams in d.c. thank you, sir. we're also following this developing news also out of washington. the mailman behind the shocking stunt at the u.s. capitol. he is scheduled to appear in court any minute. 61-year-old doug hughes facing federal charges for landing his gyrocopter there at the feet of the capitol on the west lawn. hughes was carrying 535 letters, one for each member of congress all about campaign finance reform. he told a florida newspaper, "the tampa bay times," what he intended to do. >> change the government to build a wall of separation between the government and big money so that government will represent the people. >> hughes made it from an airport in gettysburg and through d.c.'s no-fly zone. press secretary josh earnest gave the white house his first reaction last hour. >> i'm confident that there will
be a careful look at this incident and while we are pleased that no one was harm eded in this incident, it may provide an opportunity for law enforcement agencies including the secret service to review their procedures and to get some useful lessons from it. >> joining me from capitol hill is nbc news correspondent luke russert. luke break down the charges that hughes is facing now. >> reporter: it's interesting, thomas. this is one of those crimes where the charges don't necessarily meet exactly what happened here, at least in the opinion of some lawmakers i've spoken to and some legal people. as of now, it seems that the only charges that are going to be brought against mr. hughes are violating these federal aviation standards set regarding these no-fly zones. they're not very stringent. when they were created after 9/11 there were some things put in there in order to protect just your average weekend warrior pilot who may have
drifted off into restricted airspace. they didn't want those people to have to face prison sentences if they did something wrong. looks like the hardest thing, according to pete williams that he could be charged with is failure to register his aircraft. that's a felony you get three years at that. it's unclear specifically what they'll charge with him. all that being said, chuck schumer, the senate leader here on the democratic side for -- on capitol hill has said this has raised a lot of questions. i've talked to some other members who are close to homeland security and the homeland security committee. they say that this was outrageous. he definitely needs to be punished in a major way. interestingly enough, though you go on twitter, i was watching your feed, my feed, we talk about him. everyone says he's a hero. saying that this is great about example, that this message needs to be there. he shouldn't go to jail. so it's going to be interesting to see what ultimately happens. overall, this is a huge breach of security and expect the government to try and prove a point in some capacity. >> he has elevated the
conversation. unfortunately, he has exposed a porous security issue within the nation's capitol. and consequences have to come from this, not just -- not registering your dog it seems like, not registering your gyrocopter. luke, thank you. this story is the subject of today's "bing pulse question." want to send to frances. i think i've exposed my bias sorry. >> that's what makes it a good question for viewers based on what luke was saying. on twitter, people were calling him hero, others saying nope something more needs to be done. we asked -- do you think the gyrocopter pilot should be punished? here's what we have so far as far as the scoreboard. take a look. see how it's changed. it remains about the same since we checked in. about 73% of you say no. should not be punished. 27% of you say yes, that pilot should be punished. the reason why we keep asking you to vote, your opinions might change based on how we're
covering the story and some of the aspects we're bringing you. if that changes, come back keep voting. all right's look how -- let's look how different ages vote. voters between 25 and 34 believe the pilot should be punished. all other age groups disagree. for those of you now, you see our -- casting votes now. you see this is moving. a lot of you, you know 55 25 to 34 you're pretty much saying no. just in the last minute. interesting to see that. let's look at political parties. pretty much political parties thing -- you know what no. should not be punished. democrats kind of skewing. some neutral, around 2:00. that's pretty much dropped across the board and, you know, republicans seems like with this red are saying no overall. so we invite you to keep those votes, pulse.msnbc.com to see if this gyrocopter pooilts pile should be punish -- pilot should be punished in your thoughts. now to new developments out of oklahoma. the tulsa sheriff's office saying they will conduct an internal review of its deputy
reserve program. this comes after a 73-year-old volunteer who says he accidentally shot an unarmed suspect and killed him, robert bates was charged on monday in the death of eric harris. he turned himself over on tuesday. meanwhile, the actuals "tulsa world" says supervisors at the sheriff's office were ordered to falsify the training records. it's referring directly to bate bates. bates' attorney told msnbc it is incredulous that these reports were made by the newspaper. we should note that story has not been independently confirmed by nbc news. joining me now is reporter for the "tulsa world." and let's start there, zeba with the statement from the tulsa sheriff's office that responds direct three the report saying "the media outlet that is putting that information out is using unconfirmed sources and also relying on anonymity. we don't respond to rumor." what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is they're not
unconfirmed sources. they're unnamed sources that were vetted very well. however, this is all backed up by documentation that we have. some we can discuss and some we condition. within the last hour, the arizona volleyball claiming they claimed credit for an active shooter force in maricopa county. the sheriff never heard of him. they have no record of him attending that training. so there are also some statements by the sheriff that they have lost his firearms certification paperwork, and they haven't seemed to be able to confirm that he is -- he is certified with firearms. there are a lot of things coming out that bolster what sources are saying. >> okay according to your sources then what training to be a reserve deputy does bates actually have? >> well according to our sources, he had very little. he was supposed to have several hundred hours, i believe, of fpo
training. and that's where a reserve deputy would go around with a full-time officer and learn at his side. what we're told is the vast majority of that, somewhere on the order of certainly over 100 hours, maybe a couple hundred hours out of 250, they were asked to sign off on it. he it not taken it. >> okay. and when it comes to weapons training involving a taser or any side arm, a firearm, your paper has confirmed what? >> the sources didn't discuss the taser thing. what was -- the issue was was the -- he failed to qualify through firearm training had to score 72%. many of sources said he shouldn't qualify. so they -- the range master was asked to sign off on his training and refused and was transferred. as were two were supervisors who refused to sign off on the field training officer hours.
>> this would be made easier if the tulsa sheriff's department would reveal all of his training records and put them out. the ones that at least weren't lost. ziva glad to have you with us from "tulsa world." >> thank you very much. new details today on the background of that officer accused of running down an armed suspect with his patrol car. according to court documents cited by our nbc affiliate kvoa in tucson, officer michael raijepko was an nypd officer and alleged to have threaten to shoot a man and handcuffed and shot him. attorneys dispute that they say he pointed a gun at the man, ordered him back it his car, and did handcuff him. the suit was settled when they paid the man $20,000. in politics, as the 2016 presidential race heats up chris christie is mulling his potential run. the embattled new jersey governor sat down for an
exclusive interview with the "today" show. and christie told matt lauer that despite setbacks like the bridgegate scandal, there's room for another governor in the gop race. his reasoning -- jeb bush's momentum has stalled. >> when you look at a potential run, is he your biggest rival? >> i don't know. you would have thought when he announced in december that he would be. but it seems to me that that train has slowed down pretty significantly from what i've seen around the country. >> msnbc political reporter live from manchester new hampshire. bridgegate indictments, they may be coming out soon. that's going to change the headline there for chris christie. his poll numbers are down severely. but what is the strategy of chris christie being in new hampshire and moving forward? >> reporter: hi, thomas. chris christie is clearly trying to push the 2016 reset button as he finds himself in the back of the pack of the emerging
republican field. he's been spending time in new hampshire for the past week. new hampshire, of course, emerging as a do or die state for governor christie. some say as a moderate, he may have trouble winning over voters in early voting state like south carolina and iowa. voters end to cast their ballot for social conservatives. here in new hampshire, he's focusing a lot on retail politics holding a town hall event last night, holding meet and greets at restaurants. really trying to shake hands with as many people as he possibly can. and in terms of going after jeb bush, he's trying to say that jeb bush is no shoe-in. don't forget about me, i'm still on the national radar. >> reporting from manchester new hampshire. great to see you. thank you very much. we have developing news out of the white house. the president is going to be delivering remarks to honor champions of change for work force. now these are people -- working families. now these are people who have
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finally had her first democratic challenger. it's no surprise that former rhode island governor and senator lincoln chafee is exploring a run for the democratic nomination. what was surprising is the way he appeared to declare candidacy during an interview on cnn. take a look. >> you were criticizesing her saying that a vote that she took in the senate when you were in the senate is essentially disqualifying for the democratic nomination. >> yes that's why i'm running because i feel strongly about where we're going as a country. >> his staff says that he -- lincoln chafee's staff says he's not filed paperwork. if he, does he would be hillary clinton's first officially declared opponent for that nomination. joining me by phone, former governor lincoln chafee. sir, it's great to have you with me. let's settle this once and for all. are you in or out? >> i fully expect to be in, but at this stage, i do have an exploratory committee. that allows me to put together
an organization committee to poll voters and become an official candidate. i'm in the exploratory phase. >> did you make an oops moment on cnn? >> yes. i suppose i should have put a "possible run" in there. but i'm committed, and the law does allow you to do this exploratory phase, to do fundraising. that's what i'm doing now. >> if you're exploring the field -- you've only been a democrat for two years. how does someone beat a democrat that's been in the public eye and working within party politics for 40 years? what do you think your chances are? are? >> i would argue that democrats will see i have been very very consistent. in fact, a lot more consistent than senator clinton. just today we're learning more it her flip-flopping on marriage equality, gay marriage. and i have been consistent on issues important to democrats. >> so some people might say that
you're a flip-flopper since the fact that you flip-flopped out of the republican party to become a democrat. what would you say to critics about that? >> that's not going to hold because i have not flip-flopped on the issues. i have a 30-year record that i welcome the voters to scrutinize how solid a. on issues using environmental laws, clean air, clean water, fiscal responsibility, keeping us out of quagmires overseas. on and on. i've been very consistent. i've been a liberal republican in the past and now i'm broward to be a democrat. >> if you wanted to stay -- i'm proud to be a democrat. >> if you wanted to stay in public service, why not run for re-election in rhode island when you had the opportunity? >> i was happy to turn rhode island around. when i came in the unemployment rate was 11.4%. and today it's 6.3%. that's the biggest drop in unemployment rate of all states except four. and i handed it over to another
democratic governor handed it over in very very good shape. and look forward to debating these new issues, national and international issues and new challenges. >> do you have an official drop date of when you're going to file the paperwork? >> i don't, but i'm happy with the support i'm getting. i. >> we appreciate the clarification and making time for me, senator, and former governor of rhode island. thank you, sir. >> thanks. we have breaking news coming in now that the nfl's adrian peterson will be reinstated tomorrow to the league and to the minnesota vikings. peterson was notified about the reinstatement today. he's been off the field you'll recall, since last fall when he was indicted on child abuse charges. peterson pleaded no contest. according to a release from the nfl, peterson has completed required counseling. again, adrian peterson reinstated to the nfl effective tomorrow. we'll be back after this.
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that's stunning how much security can you have to still have a free flow of people coming into the capital to see the capital. it's the constant balance of the security and freedom that is something that would make a judgment in everything that we do. >> that was house minority leader nancy pelosi at her weekly briefing today addressing the challenge of having a free and open capitol, as she was talking about, and keeping it secure at the same time. this after doug hughes flew on to the capitol lawn with the gyrocopter yesterday. the word gyrocopter has been trending on line after 61-year-old mail carrier violated d.c.'s no-fly zones. now over 63,000 treats have been sent about the capitol security failure. the symbolism of hughes' act, the pulse question of the day -- is the gyrocopter pilot a
patriot or law-breaker? vote now. have your reaction heard about whether or not he should be punished. frances, this has been such a big talker about the patriot in the gyrocopter and how people feel. there are other stories to talk about, too. >> there are. it's throwback thursday huge on social media. and some old picture now of mitt romney and president obama at chipotle trending sparked from this picture monday of hillary clinton at a chipotle near toledo, ohio. as parts of her scooby van journey to iowa, it's caused tons of social media buzz. then there is this throwback photo of president obama from june of 2014 chipotle. that's trending too with jokes that it's proof of his presidential overreach. remember how that sparked some outrage out there, too. to be fair, folks dredged up this one of mitt romney the popular eatery during his 2012 campaign. chipotle fans are in good company. we talked about it thomas the burrito bowls are great. also in good company people
on the "time" 100 list of influencers just released today. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg and actor bradley cooper are featured on the covers. so is superstar ballerina misty copeland. one of the few african-americans there. and recording artist kanye west. for the issue, "time" paired honorees with interesting and sometime unexpected people to write about them. people can't stop tweet being fellow supreme court justice antonin scalia and his statement about rbg people. think they might be rivals. scalia said of ginsburg she's almost always correct. also taking over twitter is a transgender man. aidan dowelling tweeting hatch hatch mhguycontest to make him the first guy man to grace the cover of the "men's health" magazine. and national high five day trending with over 23,000 tweets. you know i know you posted
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we're following this developing news from the pentagon. we have defense secretary ash carter and joint chiefs chair general martin temperaturesy to attend the pentagon -- dempsey to attend the pentagon briefing. expected to begin any minute. we'll monitor the live shot and bring you any developments from there. hillary clinton's team just announcing that she is headed to new hampshire, doing so next week. her campaign telling more than she'll hold more private meetings and round tables as she did in iowa. she's also going to have to deal with more criticism about the clinton foundation's acceptance of foreign money. the foundation issued new guidelines. the board says it will limit donations from certain foreign countries. however, it will still accept money from six countries including the u.k. canada, and germany. today, rand paul became the latest republican to hit clinton over foreign money given to the clinton foundation. he says more revelations are coming though gave no proof of that. >> there's going to be stuff coming out about the clinton foundation and their donations from different companies that get special approval by the
secretary of state. coming out in the next couple of weeks. are we going to hear any questions from the media? will it be a love fest to hillary clinton? >> msnbc's alex siteswald joining us. is this rand paul trying to create a boogieman, or is there something the clintons need explain? >> i think there will be more coming out. even though hillary clinton resigned from the board of the clinton foundation sunday the day she announced her campaign people going back and making connections between her tenure as secretary of state as companies she interacted -- countries she interacted with and those countries and companies giving money to the clinton foundation. so you have there rand paul saying it's a thinly veiled bribe. you have people on the left suggesting corruption as well. and -- acknowledgment here really from the foundation that this was a problem or at least an appearance of a problem probably more than a problem
itself, they're canceling, doing foreign clinton global initiative events scaling back the countries they're accepting money from. it is an acknowledgment this. even though she wants to put it behind her she will no longer be directly involved in the foundation the way she has been. people are still going to dig up stuff. there's even a new book out on this, as well. >> making the acknowledgment as we see different activities staled back. rand paul makes a -- scaled back. rand paul makes a point about the love fest that's the campaign chaos forring hillary clinton. and we were a part of that ourselves the other day. i want to remind everybody and how jon stewart made fun of us. take a look. >> we thought we'd check inner with our pals the television media in a secondgment we call -- seriously, guys, what are we doing? >> the guy in the orange pants is quick. alex, i'm looking at these people -- wow! orange pants, he's really
outnumbered now by all of the people that are racing around the back. >> orange pants has a name. he's a person. his name is -- this is interesting -- phil orangepant. >> putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable. orange pants does have a name. you checked in with him. he's okay. he's not angry with us. >> yeah. that's right, his name is chris lane. a british photographer. he was on assignment with a french magazine. very lovely guy and a talented photographer, i will add. i've been to his website. and everyone should check him out. we deserve to give him a little bit of love after the mockery that we've put him through. i talked to him this morning on the phone. he's putting up with us quite well. a little bit of back story here. those -- this of the second day he had worn those orange pants. was already feeling uncomfortable in a field in iowa. you know, not necessarily native orange pant territory. >> no. sea of khaki -- >> had been made fun of a little bit. then not only to be made fun of
on national television, but in a clip that goes viral. you know we made his wife crack up, though. i think it all worked out okay. >> as long as the wife is happy. let's hope that rand paul ted cruz, and the like get that same attention, just chasing after their vans or whatever vehicles they choose to ride in. msnbc's alex seitz-wald. thank you. a developing story about the 73-year-old tulsa reserve deputy charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man. police say that robert bates mistook his gun for a taser when he shot and killed eric harris. and today, "tulsa world" reporting his records were falsified. nbc news has not been able to verify the report. we asked frances to look at who reserve officers are and the different types of training they go through. >> the purpose they serve, too. if you think about it, these departments hire them to help keep costs down and beef up manpar, as well. also free -- manpower, as well. also frees up regular officers
for higher priority duties. a reserve officer or auxiliary officer is a uniformed civilian volunteer. they generally are not paid and many times provide their own uniforms and equipment or have to pay it out of pocket. to me and you, they often appear to be regular police officers. now, there is no official tally of the country's number of service -- reserve officers. the "washington post" cited an fibroid law enforcement bulletin -- fbi law enforcement bulletin from 2006 estimating 400,000 and training tends to vary. here's a broad comparison sfoorz training. in oklahoma, a required minimum of 240 hours required for legal basics, investigative procedures and use of firearms. the lapd however by comparison, require about 170 hours of training for reservists who are on desk duty or community relations. top-level reservist who carry weapons with the same task as full-time officers, they undergo close to 400 hours of training. as far as the ages of police reserve volunteers he's what the 2003 south dakota state university study said.
50% were under the age of 40 with equal amounts between the ages of 18 and 30 and between the ages of 31 and 40. the breakdown in race shows that whites are more likely to volunteer than any other race. and as you see here as far as the breakone of gender men outnumber females significantly, that number being 8-1. as far as education of these reserve officers 77% have some college education with about 8% having an undergraduate degree. 26% have a four-year degree. 26% with a two-year degree. 16% with a technical degree here. and thomas, if you think about it, too, ask anybody, of course views are going to be mixed about reserve officers. some of them valuing their contribution to communities. and on the other end of the spectrum, you'll have those who say, you know, some of these guys in the most extreme sense are guy who's just want to play cops and robbers. >> obviously a little policy examination needs to take place here over what background bates
had with proper training and if the tulsa world is correct about his training, it brings attention to other forensic and how they're training their -- other forces and how they're training their people. thank you. in other stories that caught our eye, in ireland a dramatic teen was captured on cell phone video. take a look. >> oh, my gosh! >> amazing. shows the moment of impact when crashing waves swept a woman off a alcoholism she houng to the rocks until help arrived. walked away with only minor cut and bruises. the so-called worm sholl a popular tourist site on the islands just off the irish mainland. in london, police looking for a masked burglar who pulled off a "mission impossible" jewelry heist. the thief entered through the roof and wormed his way across the floor to avoid triggering infrastructure
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the man who flew a gyrocopter on to the u.s. capitol grounds is expected at a court hearing this hour. mailman doug hughes was apparently delivering letters to congress to clean up their campaign finances. what do we know about what's allowed and what's not when it comes to flying anything? let alone this type of aircraft around the nation's very controlled airspace? let's go to frances rivera for a deep dive on that first. >> all right. let's get right to it and show you -- washington, d.c., has some of the most restricted airspace in the united states. the federal aviation administration implemented d.c. area restrictions after the 9/11 terror attacks. here are the three levels seen in the colors. purple for the outer layer, the inner one red, and the green for the no-fly zones. let's break it down. first the outer layer. the special flight rule area shown there in purple. pilots have to provide a flight
plan and maintain special contact with air traffic control. to the second layer here as outlined in the red, the flight restriction zone. that's closed to the majority of air traffic unless authorized by the faa. and then the inner area here. shown in the green. those green circles right there. those are the no-fly zones which covers the national mall and the naval observatory. let's take a closer look at what's called the air defense identification zone which went into effect in 2003. flying in that area requires pilots to adhere to specific standards like flying at 180 knots or less. extends around the three major airport, and it's represented here in this yellow outer area right here. reagan, baltimore washington, and dulles international. you can see within what's called the adiz there is another inner area, the flight restricted zone. this orange area in the middle there. that has even stricter rules. specifically covers ronald reagan, washington national airport, and the only nongovernmental flights allowed
are scheduled commercial flights in and out of reagan. let's zoom in to that area a little bit more and show you the no-fly zones. otherwise known as p56. sounds mysterious, right? we know it as no fly but it's known as p56. this area in red prohibits zone -- it includes the white house and in this area also the naval observatory where the vice president, his residence is. and the only aircraft allowed here are specially authorized through the secret service or the president. they cannot fly above 18,000 feet. and you see exactly this area where the gyrocopter landed on the capitol lawn in the restricted area. we found information on the number of security-related airspace violations in d.c. as of 2005, a little bit outdated. but the fda says there were 2,200 violations, that was ten years ago. obviously as we saw, it's still happening today. this brings us to our bing pulse question of the day. a lot of response out there. this is the question -- do you think the gyrocopter pilot
should be punished? a lot of you weighed in. here the scoreboard where it happened -- 76% said no, he should not be punished. 24% said yes. that's pretty much stayed the same in the past hour or so. and let's look at age breakdown. voters between the age of 35 and 54 they've strongly believed the pilot should not be punished. our oldest voters over 55 tend to fluctuate in their opinion. and if you just cast your vote around this time here as it moves down you can see a lot of you saying no he should not be punished for that. thomas? >> frances, thank you very much. i was just logging on to cast my own vote because i think you know how i feel about this. >> i do. >> whether or not he should be punished or not. michael kaye spent 20 years flying assault helicopters in the royal air force. let's get down into this. first, before you give us the background about gyrocopters and -- they're cool machines. but the white house press secretary, josh earnest, got on the record moments ago talking about the difficulty they bring
to securing the nation's capitol. take a listen. >> this just illustrates, again, how difficult it is for these agencies to secure an area as large as the national capitol region and to do it in they way that reflects the need to allow for freedom of the movement and allow the american public to visit the nation's capitol. >> all right. freedom of movement obviously people want to feel as if they have the ability to move around d.c. but people having unregistered gyrocopters are unnecessary in washington, d.c. so what can security do to be beefed up so that this doesn't happen again? obviously we hear a 61-year-old man's back story, it's not overly nefarious. he previous a porous security problem for d.c. >> i think josh thielt nicely. and -- highlights it nicely. and france has shown how stringent rules are around the capitol, and rightly so. the problem is detection and
reaction. so for an aircraft or someone that doesn't want to abide by the rules, how easy or difficult is it to detect a gyrocopter or slow-moving, low-flying object coming toward the capitol, washington, d.c., the white house, or the naval observatory? that's the key bit. when you've got an aircraft or gyrocopter that flies at one mile a minute at a height of about 500 feet, there are only three real ways of detecting aircraft. primary radar, secondary radar, and a target tracking radar, a little bit more serious. primary radar, it's not going to do that. that can only really look at targets above 1,500 feet that have a broad radar cross section like an airliner traveling above 1,500 feet. secondary radar is about the transponder. we spoke about that, mh370. these gyrocopters do not carry transponders. and the target bars are more sinister. -- bars are more sinister. they're not something you normally have around the urban
area. around the white house, potentially. >> reaction is a big deal. i think people now that we know what this person was up to, they don't expect him to be shot out of the sky. for the next person they probably should be shot out of the sky. >> now we're talking about rules of engagement. a completely different story in itself again. a graduated and proportional response to what we think or anticipate the threat to be. >> michael kaye great to see you, thank you. want to get this on the air. developing news. a cast member from the "beverly housewives" series arrested and faces charges. "the real housewives of beverly hills." police responding to a beverly hills hotel on a report of a possible fight. they say they found kitchrichards drunk. she kicked an -- kim richards drunk. she kicked an officer. she's being charged with public intoxication and battery of an officer.
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>> those efforts failed. and my question to you is what lessons from that experience do you think would apply to the current situation with iran, and mr. chairman, if i may follow on this tradition of asking each of you a question. >> of course. >> chime in if you want. i'm curious with iran apparently now in line to get these advanced air defense systems from russia, does that effectively take the military option you can't have the table at some point -- option off the table at some point or make it more complicated? >> with respect to the nuclear weapons situation in iran which is your question a couple of things jamie. first, those negotiations that are being conducted by us and our p5+1 partners with the iranians have the objective of arresting the north korean --not north korean, excuse me the
iranian nuclear program. and this are obviously -- that process isn't complete yet. as the president indicated, he's looking for a good deal. and there is no deal yet sewn up. it's going to take time for secretary kerry and secretary moniz and others who are negotiating that to see what agreement they're able to reach with the iranians. we've made it clear what is necessary to satisfy us that the agreement is a good agreement from our point of view. for me here our role is not to conduct those negotiations but to other things. the first is to make sure that we have, as the president says, other options on the table. that's something we sake
seriously here and do have other options on the table. the other thing is to continue to play a stabilizing role in the region as a whole with all of our friends and allies of which we have many there and continue to strengthen their capabilities and their confidence. we're doing that. those are our two jobs here in the department of defense. i'm very tenantive to them as is chairman dempsey and everybody else. >> and to your question about the introduction of the s300 the derivative that they export the s20 charlie air defense system, we've known about the potential for that system to be sold to iran for several years and have accounted for it in all our planning. >> wouldn't present -- wouldn't present a military obstacle if there was a need in the future -- >> the military option that i owe the president to both encourage. diplomatic solution and if
diplomacy fails to ensure iran doesn't achieve a nuclear weapon is intact. >> thank you. for both -- first general dempsey, i wanted to ask about yemen and saudi arabia. there's wide agreement that the houthis are backed financially by iran, but the saudis seem to take it further and say that the houthis are not only supported by iran but are controlled by iran. sort of like hezbollah in lebanon. do you agree with that that the houthis are proxy or a tool of iranian power? and also -- so far the houthis and al qaeda both seem to be gaining territory during the saudi air strikes. do the saudis have anyone on the ground on their side in yemen to fight as their proxy? and for secretary carter, post tikrit what role do you expect the shia militias to play in iraq in the u.s.-supported iraqi
offensive? thank you. >> so to the question about the degree of control that iran exerts over the houthis, if you look at the history of the relationship they have not exerted control in the same way they exerted control over lebanese hezbollah, for example. they are a source of resources for the houthis. and the houthi leader himself, abdel maliki considers himself to be one of the heirs of the prophet and the sect of shia islam from which the houthis draw their inspiration has an asspiration to restore that empire -- aspiration to restore that empire that existed that included all of yemen and parts of southern saudi arabia. so i don't see them as having the same relationship as lebanese hezbollah has with iran. they clearly have rape witha relationship
with them. to that degree the saudis have a right to be concerned. >> the second question? >> yeah, i forget what it was. >> do the saudis have anybody on the ground to fight as their prac -- their proxy? >> i won't speak to who is on the ground doing hear what for many of the coalition partners. i will tell you that general lloyd austin, our commander, was in riyadh today for a day-long consultation with the saudi leadership on the campaign plan. >> with respect to she eatmish -- shiite militias in iraq this was the subject we discussed with the prime minister and the defense minister of iraq who are here this week. and so to go back to kind of the important point there with which they agreed, it's important that
all forces acting against isis in iraq be under the control of the central iraqi government. that is the principal we adhere to and brass the -- principle we adhere to, and that's the principle the prime minister has. therefore, to get to your point about shiite militias, there are shiite militias that have that characteristic, and there are those that don't. and the prime minister made it quite clear that the latter, that is ones that were not under his command and control, were not welcome there, would not participate in their operations and would not be supported and certainly won't be supported by us. we support forces that returned the command and control of the iraqi government irrespective of their sectarian make-up which is the whole point. the way things got the way