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nt that all forces acting against isis in iraq be under the control of the central iraqi government. that is the principal we adhere to and brass the -- principle we adhere to, and that's the principle the prime minister has. therefore, to get to your point about shiite militias, there are shiite militias that have that characteristic, and there are those that don't. and the prime minister made it quite clear that the latter, that is ones that were not under his command and control, were not welcome there, would not participate in their operations and would not be supported and certainly won't be supported by us. we support forces that returned the command and control of the iraqi government irrespective of their sectarian make-up which is the whole point. the way things got the way they
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did in iraq is the collapse of the multi sectarian approach. and what prime minister abadhi is trying to do in his own government is create a -- a fight against isil that consists of shia forces sunni forces and kurdish forces in sectarian make-up burned the control of the government in iraq. it is those forces and only those forces that we will provide support to. >> julian barnes. mr. secretary, do you think it's time for saudi arabia to consider winding down its air strikes, could further air strike risk destabilizing our prompt a wider role? and general dempsey, the russian, your russian counterpart today talked about targeting nato missile defense systems, the russian defense
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minister talked about u.s. exercises on tactical nuclear weapons. how worried are you about stepped up rhetoric by russia and about aggressive acts like the air intercept last week? >> to get to your first point we are assisting the saudis to protect their own territory and to conduct operations that are designed to lead ultimately to a political settlement to yemen. and that is our understanding and our objective and -- that's why we're working so closely with the saudis as chairman indicated, general austin's been in riyadh earlier today. we're coordinating closely with them both on the military objectives and on the police
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officer objective. >> so on the issue of russian rhetoric about the missile defense system, this goes back a long time. and we have channels that remain getting together with the russians and laying out the intentions, the capability of the air defense system as a way of trying to assure them that that is not being built against them. we've done this for several years. most of time we agree to disagree, but the rhetoric is unsurprising, i suppose, i would say. the channels remain open as they do for dealing with things like unprofessional or reckless intercepts. and this intercept was in fact both unprofessional and reckless and foolish actually. in the sense that it was conducted to no apparent reason. what we're doing is contacting
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the russians through appropriate channels to ask them to investigate the incident and determine whether it was purposeful or if it was an isolated instance by a hot-blooded pilot. it's serious. >> jim -- for chairman dempsey, you mentioned a moment ago that with the coalition concentration into the military offensive in the north, it almost sounds as if there may be insufficient forces or resources to keep ramadi from falling. how critical would be it be if it fell into the hands of the overall area? and it appears that isis controls the surrounding territory surrounding that critical infrastructure of that refinery. and they've made advances on that. are the iraqi and u.s. coalition forces going to be able to hang
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on to the refinery, or would that mean if isis were able to secure the refinery? >> i'll ask the answer about ramadi first. i think ramadi is not -- first of all, it's already a humanitarian problem because of the iraqi citizens and w.h.o. are now refugees many of whom with v flowed into baghdad. we're working with the iraqi government to ensure we deal with that. the city itself is it's not symbolic in any way. it's not been declared part of the caliphate on one hand or central to the future of iraq. to iraq, the issue is not brick and mortar, it's about defeating isil. as i said i would much rather that ramadi not fall but it won't be the end of a campaign should it fall. we've got to get it back. that's tragic for the people as we've seen along the way.
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and baiji is different. once they have full control of baiji they will control all of the oil structure north and south and deny isil the revenue through oil. baiji is a more strategic target. that's why the focus is on baiji. >> how serious is the isil threat to the refinery? >> it's serious in the sense that they've penetrated the outer perimeter. you've been there, i think. it's an extraordinarily large expansive facility. the refinery itself is at no risk right now. but -- we're focusing a lot of our isr and air support there. >> craig whitlock. one question after that. >> a followup question on iraq. i wanted to ask about the proximity of u.s. military personnel to the fighting and if that's changed in recent days or weeks. were there any u.s. military controllers or jtags or people calling in strikes in tikrit? has the u.s. offered to do that in ramadi?
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>> first of all, with respect to tikrit and this is actually true, the more general answer to your question our troops that are there are in the location that's we've previously identified, there to train, advise, and assist. there are not jtax embedded with security forces and were not with n tikrit. we're still able to be effective in providing air support to iraqi forces because we do have americans in their command centers, and practiced the methods by which we would ensure that the targets that were given to us were valid targets, do everything that we usually do to
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ensure that there are -- there's no collateral damage or collateral damage is minimized. we're going through all the sthaeps steps to ensure that air strike can be effective and precise. we're not using our own forward controllers to do that in tikrit or anywhere else in iraq. that hasn't changed. >> last question. nancy hughes. >> my question is for you general dempsey. prime minister abadi came out and said tikrit was a model. is that your assessment given that there have been reports of looting and executions happening in tikrit? and i was wondering if you could speak, both of you, more broadly about what is the strategic threats that is posing yemen so that it demands saudi intelligence in saudi arabia? what is the strategic interest
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in the fight in yemen? >> let me -- i'll start with the question over whether tikrit was a model. it's a model of how to integrate the efforts of the counterterror system the iraqi security force, cts, the international brigade and forces under direct control of the iraqi government. it is a model in essence because it's the first time those groups worked together under the central control of the ministry of defense. we were able to support that and provide the necessary fire to let that campaign reach a successful conclusion. we've watched and are continuing to watch the reports of whether there's lootsing or burning or atrocities -- looting or burning or accosts commit coststrocitiesatrocities. and we've the investigation is ongoing with the iraqi government. there is no evidence of
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widespread activity. there was likely to be isolated instances. we've got a long history of dealing with this. the leahy amendment tells us we can support those forces that behave in a way consistent with our values. and when a particular unit does not, we isolate it and no longer stpt. if this investigation reveals a particular part of either the iraqi security forces or popular mobilization force did not behave -- we won't support it going forward. >> i'm sorry, who's conducting the investigation? >> well, the iraqi government -- prime minister abadi himself declared that he was taking responsibility for that investigation. >> when you say isolated can you give us a sense of how many how many were involved. and the specific -- >> i can't from memory. i mean there's a certain village south of tikrit where there was evidence of the buildings that had been scorched on the outside, the masonry.
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in some cases that was probably the result of the fighting. in other, it probably was, in fact, the result of misbehavior. but they're trying to sort that out. not so much in tikrit, by the way. >> strategic -- >> i'm sorry, saudi arabia? saudi arabia and why? can you explain -- i'm curious if you could elaborate on the u.s. strategic interest in providing intelligence to saudi arabia against the houthis. >> i -- i can do that. two thing. first of all, saudi arabia is a long-standing friend and ally of ours. and we have undertaken to help them protect ourselves and their own border and so forth, and that's a longstand ago -- in accordance with a long-standing friendship we have with them. with respect to events in yemen, we are supporting the operations in yemen in the way i described
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earlier. the objective there is to restore a political process there in which a legitimate comment may be established in yemen and thing can settle down downdown -- things can settle down there. that's good for the people of yemen, first and foremost. it's good for saudi arabia that doesn't need this on its southern border. and as the earlier questions indicated, it's good for us among other reasons because of the aqap's presence in yemen. for that to occur will require more than military action. it will require a political settlement. that in turn will require the houthis to want to pursue a political settlement, as well. >> given that, did the u.s. agree with the decision by saw to con -- by saudi arabia to conduct air strikes? >> we supported that. we're not only supporting that verbally, we were supporting
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that with assistance. and again, en route to a political settlement. that's where things need to go. by the way, i had the opportunity to speak to ban ki-moon about that today. that's where we would like to see this headed for everybody's sake. >> that concludes our press conference. thank you very much. we look forward to doing the next one. >> you've been watching the new defense secretary, ash carter, in his first news conference and joint chiefs chair dempsey talking about yemen, isis, and the effect of the deal. as we come on the air, we're following another developing national security matter. the man who entered some of the most restricted airspace on earth is due in federal court. 61-year-old mailman doug hughes is being charged under the transportation acts after entering a no-fly zone and landing his joipt -- his
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gyrocopter on the capitol lawn. he didn't carry a weapon but letters for each member of congress demanding campaign finance reform. he answered secret service questions 18 months ago when they came to his home. he posted his plan on the blog democracy club, and "the tampa bay time" knew about this. the fbi, capitol police secret service, none of them stopped him. the capitol's air defense system failed to detect the mailman on the flying bicycle until he was on the ground. in the age of isis loan wolves, and technology at our fingertips, how does this happen especially in the capitol? the secret service and national parks service are finalizing plans for a new event around the white house. and the homeland security secretary told nbc's peter alexander what more needs to be done after this giant lapse in protocol. >> so we've got to find the right balance between living in a free and open society, and security and the protection of
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federal buildings, important federal buildings, our national leaders. we want to stay one step ahead of every incident like this. then again, you don't want to overreact either. >> we start with luke russert on the hill. this pilot was hoping to get congress talking about moigbig money and politics. instead he has us talking about something entirely different. homeland security. >> indeed. and almost to a t, every member i've spoken to said it was particularly alarming that this pilot was able to get so close to the capitol for a variety of reasons. one, you guys mentioned the age of drone warfare. a lone wolf packed with explosives on a device like that could have caused serious damage. the other is that this pilot went through three restricted airspaces. starting from gettysburg p.a. there was one in maryland one outside of the beltway in d.c. and there's one specifically for the mall where he went into. he went through all three of these, not detected by nor ad.
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that has certainly caused a lot of concern. and the white house had this to say about it. >> i'm confident that there will be a careful look at this incident. and while we certainly are pleased that no one was harmed in this incident it may provide an opportunity for law enforcement agencies including the secret service to review their procedures and to get some useful lessons from it. >> so expect a real in-depth investigation as to how this gyrocopter was able to avoid nor ad and all the radar systems that are in place in washington, d.c. also expected to figure out why exactly the pilot of able to land. there are some members of congress including senator lindsay graham of south carolina said it should have been shot down because it posed a serious risk to the capitol.
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as to mr. hughes, he's due in federal court in washington any minute. as to what he'll be charged with, it's unclear. there really no serious laws that he violated in terms of the federal aviation laws because when they were crafted after 9/11, there were protections put in for weekend warrior pilots who may have inadvertently flown into restricted airspace. from our own justice correspondent, pete williams, perhaps the biggest thing they could hit him with is not registering his gyrocopter. that's a maximum of three years. expect i think, new laws saying if you land one of these on the grounds of the capitol in the way he did, we'll do more than justice a three year you didn't register your plane. >> a lot of questions. luke russert. always good to see you. >> take care. let's bring in former homeland security roadway bradley schreiber of homeland security solutions. he said multiple times i'm going do this. yet the secret service, they talked to him, there was no followup on this. there was no nothing. am i missing something? >> well, i think we need to look
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back when the -- after the report is done and see what exactly happened who got what information, and how they in fact did respond. it's not really clear, there are conflicting reports about whether the secret service in fact did get this information, whether it came from the newspaper, where it came from mr. hughes. it's not clear at this point. but as your correspondent said before i came on, they're going to look at this from top to bottom and come up with the right actions and understand what went right, what went wrong, and how we're going to fix this going forward. >> in terms of legally fixing or providing some process here and of released on his own recognizance in federal court. the charges would carry up to four years if prison regarding unauthorized vehicle and entering restricted airspace. what do you make of that federal case and is this a scenario where you think you need new laws? >> well, if that is in fact the case, i think we definitely need to go back and take a look. before i went to the department
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of homeland security, i worked on capitol hill for over a dozen years including right after 9/11. and as you remember there was a heightened level of security. there were times that these weekend warriors, as you call them, came into the airspace. people were evacuating screaming, running down the street. i mean we have to go back and understand that we have and continue to remain in a relatively moderate to high threat environment. meaning that we are -- we have to always be vigilantes to what is going to potentially happen today, tomorrow, the next day. we can't become too complacent with that. >> now that we know who this man is and that he wasn't armed and what he was planning to do, it's good he wasn't shot down. when the gyrocopter was moving through restricted spaces toward high secure locations, folks didn't know who he was and what he was about. why wasn't this thing shot down? >> we have to take a look at that. you know, again, there are conflicting reports about
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whether or not the u.s. capitol police had them in their sights as he was descending. and then of course you have to make a decision in real time what are you going to do. what is the consequence balance that you have to make? if you shoot him and he happens to have daughtery bomb on the vehicle, then could that potentially be more dangerous than if they believe that he's actually landing. or does -- is there another intention that this individual has. fortunately for us this -- mr. hughes only had the intention of trying to deliver, if you will, some correspondence concerns he has. but the reality is you know -- >> quite a way to do it. >> exactly. you don't want to be in a situation that you want to create more harm than good. but the reality, i agree with senator graham, he should have been taken out because there was no way given that he was that close to really understand what the threat was going to be for the capitol and the people around him. >> yeah. i mean, i agree with his point
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on example. there are much better ways to make that point that don't involve violating federal law and freaking everyone out. the bottom line here is does this raise a larger security concern. i wanted to get your expertise on that. are we seeing a potential area that could be exploited where we aren't protected or is this being overblown? >> not at all. we face asymmetrical threats in a real-time environment. if you remember last month, march of last month. there were drones flying around paris. fortunately they didn't do anything, but we had no idea what their intentions were going to be. the small aircraft threat are things we need to be aware of and to prepare for. the problem in the space since 2001 is the fact that we're chasing the rabbit if you will. that we're always reacting to the next incident. there stems from congress, from the white house, it stems from the funding and the policies and procedures in place.
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is it possible that while you were dealing -- i don't want to call them sdrax says because that makes it sound trivial -- that while you were dealing with
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bridgegate that your moment passed? >> i don't know. we'll see. mrs. a place where the bull's eye's on your back and everyone's shooting at ump that's okay. i'm fine with where i am because i haven't changed. all that stuff's artificial until the game begins. and the game hasn't come close to beginning. >> the game has not yet begun and things are already warming up on the 2016 trail. that of course was new jersey governor chris christie sitting down with nbc's matt lauer. that was in new hampshire. he insists he still hasn't made the stienl decision on whether or not to run des-- the final decision on whether or not to run despite stumping. jeb bush also holds a non-campaign campaign event called politics and pies tonight. if there's one thing we can agree on, it is that pies are delicious. >> yes. >> this is the first week that's had reporters racing to cover the would-be candidates. yes, we had to get that in because it's amazing. rick paul, carly fiorina rand
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paul putting out their messages. fresh off her swing through iowa hillary clinton heads to first in the nation primary state of new hampshire. that will be next week. and there's also a development on capitol hill that could prove challenging for her. speaking to all of these issues and more, we have friend of the show and "new york times" domestic correspondent, josh barrow, here for us. thank you for joining us josh. >> sure. >> i want to start with this breaking news we just found out. lawmakers seem to have reached a deal in terms of fast tracking trade legislation. this is in reference to the transpacific partnership. the bottom line this could pave the way to the largest trade deal since nafta. it's a tricky issue though for hillary clinton because she hasn't said where she stands on this deal. some democrats support it, some don't. the president obviously supports. it labor unions including the afl-cio and other major unions very much against this potential deal. this puts her in a bit of a quandary. >> it's a bit of a quandary.
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i think it's a fairly easy -- finesse. we don't know what will be in a final deal before congress. it's easy enough to say i need to wait and see what's in the deal. i think people who have been opposing the tpp will be well advised to try talking specifically about what they would not like to see in the tpp. fast tracking doesn't mean congress has given a rubber stamp to it. whatever deal is negotiated will have to come back and receive an up or down vote. if labor doesn't -- >> no amendment. you take it as it is? >> exactly. but you can take it or leave it. laying out what we would take and leave, i think it's a parallel thing to iran. you've had the president saying you know congress has rights to involve itself in this but we don't want them involving themselves inside too granular a level because tell blow up the deal. you can say the same about this dole deal. in the 2016 campaign, i do not think this will be a leading issue in the campaign because it is so complicated. has so many parts. frankly, you talk about the biggest trade devdeal since naft
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-- >> is this an opening to her left in terms of challengers jumping? >> i think it could be part of a portfolio of issues to get to hillary's left on. there are a lot of issues nobody seems interested in taking up in the democratic field. you have a large majority of democrats legalizing marijuana. hillary far as i know is not in favor of legalizing marijuana. you have discontent about policing practices around the country. the federal government has had very little involvement. that would be an issue you could get to hillary's left on in a campaign. nobody's doing that. if you were building that campaign, trade would be likely one of the issues you would take and say the president's been for tpp, hillary maybe win for tpp because she's part of his administration. i'm going stand against him on that. martin o'malley's not doing this. if you're going to have a campaign to hillary's left you need a candidate. >> it makes you realize that 2016 has begun. any event, these candidates will have to speak to that address where they fall on the spectrum there. it's interesting, we talk so much about the candidates
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running. it's so much more than that. it's kids spouz, and whether they win or not, this changes their life forever. matt lauer was with chris christie talking about his potential run. he also spoke to his wife pat quinn, who has a career of her own and asked if she would take a leave of absence. >> if your husband runs for president, will you take a leave of absence from this job? you have a great job. >> yes, i know. i do -- >> if you get a leave from goldman sachs, would you do the same thing? >> i'm not sure what i would do with regards to that. i want to spend time with my family felt all those things areare -- my family all those things aren't set. >> that's an enormous sacrifice. >> it is. she has an incredible career and has had it for 30 years now. >> it seems like we're seeing more of the spouses early on this time around. you know mary pat obviously but kelly paul's been out there. even ted cruz's wife has been
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speaking. how much has that helped humanize their husbands when you think about chris christie or rand paul that can sometimes come across harsh? >> hillary clinton has a high-profile spouse. some guy -- bill. >> he's taking a back seat this time. haven't you order? >> yeah. >> we'll see how long that will last. >> i've always been a escapic toe -- a skeptic of how much political families matter -- no offense to you. >> if they mattered then they would have won. look at her. >> right. >> people don't vote for the family. they don't vote for you. >> josh is keeping it extra real. >> you don't think that spouses have much impact at install i would disagree on that. >> i think people thought hillary clinton had a significant political impact for bill when he was first running in 1992. she was sort of this trail blazer. chris hayes has been doing a great week on this in prime.
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looking at the campaign and how strange people felt to have a potential first lady with her own significant career. was an uncomfortable tension. >> the two-for-one thing was not just taking this easily. >> right. i think hillary got people used to that in her role as first lady. >> i was going to say times have changed. >> i think you're wrong in the sense that you know you can't run without a spouse. that tells you a lot. you can't run for president either gender without a spouse. >> howard dean's wife would not campaign. she -- she was -- yeah -- >> to the question -- to the question of of whether it's necessary, i think there's no doubt good or bad the american electorates today has an incredible interest in people's families. >> there's truth to that. i think it depends on the circumstances. >> that's true. but we don't vote on vice presidents, we definitely don't vote on people's spouses. i want to attorney another great piece from "the upshot."
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"super pacs are helping to form a super alternative campaign finance model that is eroding over the primary process. which types of candidates will benefit remains to be seen." let'sic that thought a step further. which attends in the gop race do you think will be helped by the new landscape? >> it depends on how much super pac money matters for electoral outcomes. ted cruz has $30 million behind him. >> in the first week unbelievable. >> exactly. people talk about the establishment candidate always wins the republican primary. they have this huge money advantage and have this huge staffing advantage and a huge endorsements advantage. this may cut into that money advantage. you may not need it if the super pac money is behind you. the two caveats super pacs are not controlled by the campaigns, often are not well managed. you see sheldon adele son put money into the 2012 campaign. karl rove of overseeing money spent in the twifl general election. to no clear effect.
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i think this is not as good as money in your own campaign account that you can control in line with your strategy. the other thing is the staffing thing i think matters a lot. you've seen jeremy hubbard bush lining up top people on the republican -- jeb bush lining up top people on the republican side. and having the right people behind you doing the right strategy, right messaging i think that ends up mattering a lot and can overcome a certain amount of money. >> that matters? >> it matters a heck of a lot. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate it. we have one last little political gem for you. i love this story. a reminder to always turn off your cell phone during important meetings. find out what happened during a senate finance committee hearing earlier. >> aggressive on that issue as well as on the geographic preference issue -- >> come on. ♪ let it go can't hold it ♪ >> just let it go, mr. -- [ laughter ] sorry it that.
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i find people who write the pieces as fascinating. and mindy kaehling rote about witherspoon saying "she is impatient that hollywood won't generate the quality roles she wants to play so she creates quality roles by creating quality movies. that resourceful not makes her someone i not only admire but someone who inspires me. that is influence." i love that piece. it made me wonder in hollywood, there are so many beautiful women, powerful women. how do you at times figure out who you want to pick for the list? how did you pick kanye for the cover? >> it is a problem. there are so many influential people. you know you could have -- you could do this list every year and have like 95 people be the same. year to year. but that's not interesting to readers, it's not interesting to us. we're a news publication and want to feel like we're reflecting the events of the year and trying to look forward. and i love that mindy kaeling piece, too. she nailed why we wanted reece for i'm willie geist, and it's way too early for this year. she's not only a brilliant
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actress hasbut has been vocal about roles for women in hollywood and put her money where her mouth was. she produced "gone girl." she produced "wild" and starred in that and got an oscar nomination. and i thought mindy kaeling with a similar agenda has created a role that's important for indian americans to see someone starring in a show like that. you know, that's a connection that they have. so that was a neat pairing. >> another really interesting pairing here was hillary clinton writing about elizabeth warren. and she's got a little interesting admission in here. she says "elizabeth warren never hesitates to hold powerful people's feet to the fire bankers, lobbyists, senior government officials, and yes, even presidential aspirants." >> warren has been on the list i think once or twice before. she just remains such a strong voice in favor of equality -- you know financial equality and opportunity. i think people gravitated toward
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to her to speak and articulate issues. in a funny way, part of what our thinking this year was that she's influential precisely because she's not running for president. she has said over and over again that's not her role. she wants to use her platform to speak differently and try to influence the course of the nation differently. we appreciate that. >> did you ever seen the ben stiller comedy "zoolander"? >> yes. >> you know the part where the models do the confessional to the camera and talking about how important the work is but it because a self-parody? "time" put together the video with kanye west, who's on the cover. he's always interesting to hear from. you watch the video and can't tell whether he's in on any of this sounding so absurd -- it sounds like a joke although i know it comes from his heart. let's play a little of that. >> every time i crash the internet, it's like this little drop of truth. every time i say something that's extremely truthful out
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loud, it literally breaks the internet. what can we do for each to other make life easier, make life doper for our kids as they grow? we were born into a broken world. we're like the cleanup crew. >> drops of truth. >> i feel torn. on the one hand, it doesn't literally break the internet, right? the internet has not been broken. it's working. on the other hand, he still speaks to things people feel when he says, he talks about the world we inherited and wanting to make it doper for our kids. either presidential candidate would say, yeah, we want to make the world doper for our kids. >> i hope they would say that. that would make me happy. yeah. i mean he's sort of not wrong. and i don't know i think maybe they'll be teaching kanye in philosophy classes after this. >> i wouldn't be surprised. he would love to hear you saying that. >> look you know, this list is broad and it's interesting. a lot of important people. what does it say about society, humanity in general, this list
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that you have compiled this year? >> you know, i think it would tell us that we're living in a time of really rapid and fundamental change. and i look at someone like brian chesky ceo of air b&b and the way we travel and think about hospitality and personal connections has changed because of people like him and what they're doing and the sharing economy. >> yeah. >> you know, it -- it's those kind of people on the list who make me feel like we don't know who's going to be on this list five years from now. we don't know what's going to be possible. >> of course. >> or next year. it's interesting and exciting. and my hope is that this issue captures this moment in time in that way. >> there were a lot of names i hadn't heard about. i love the issue because it reminds how many incredible people are among us. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next the fascinating life story behind an nba powerhouse proved you can go home again no matter where that
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traditions. grantland's first full-length documentary shows how beautiful africa can be as we journey to congo, led there by an nba star who grew up in congo, the great serge baca from the oklahoma city thunder. his return to a nation bursting with pride in him is so moving to watch. look at him with his grandmother and family. [ speaking native language ] [ applause ] [ cheers ] ♪ >> who says you can't if home again? this touching and intimate story of his triumphant return to his african land is called "song of the congo," premiereing tomorrow
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on espn. its producer actor, and writer is joining us at the table. ax dam, this is an extraordinary film. it is moving it is intimate. it is powerful. congratulations on that. people are going to laugh and cry and be moved -- >> at the same time. >> once thing you see with serge returning to congo, folks are either super proud of him or asking for money, or they're looking at him as sort of the repository of their dreams. and then you kind of get through the film for a while and i'm like, everybody is kind of doing all of those things at once. >> yep. that's what i would have said. it's not or it's and aeps's and. all of those things are true of everybody you come across there. >> he's doing great work in his home in congo. let's take a look at a little bit of that. [ speaking native language] >> good job.
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>> when i see a blessing it's not only saying a bless being my life what i have. what i did that day is what i do with basketball. it's miracle, you know. what miracle. what i did with those kids it's life. >> these are people i've never heard before in many cases who have never heard their mother's voice, for example. so incredible the work he was doing that you got to witness. >> i think the thing about surge is you'll see people do things like this sometimes as photo ops. they'll show up, shake hands. get their picture taken. with him, he went and trained so that he could actually help translate to make some of the people comfortable. what blew me away in that particular day in that setting was the way he was so comfortable and helped make these kids comfortable, you
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know, if you watch the film you'll see he puts his hand on their leg. he puts hands on throat to help them hear sounds. >> the vibration. >> there's just an incredible humanity to him that's obvious he'd be doing that stuff whether the cameras were there or not and his commitment to it is something i didn't know how real it was until i got there. >> speaking of kids he has a daughter. he's a dad who he didn't get to know until 5 years old and didn't get to see as much as he would like but when they do get together, they talk about his past and upbringing. take a look at that. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> wow. this is so sweet. what was it like for you being there during that moment? >> it was a lot of things. i mean, it was one thing to keep in mind as they're speaking french and lan gala neither of which a language i speak. so sometimes i have a translator in one ear giving me a sense of what's going on but a lot of times, you're trying to intuit from body language. this was the first time they ever talked about this stuff. so you're actually watching a relationship develop between father and daughter, you know, and that's a little bit earlier. she says to him, you know how did you meet mom? and he's kind of taken aback. there are great things like that even if you don't know the
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language, you kind of see it register on his face. >> the things families go through. it's so special. >> you think about broadly about the international players in the nba. we were talking about this because around the office he'll do the dekembe. it's most certainly a thing. >> from syracuse you're not. but i understand. >> we were talking about this crystal pointing out there's about 22% of the nba are international players, a lot others are american. what is the experience there like and why do you think the nba doesn't have more of that? why is it so american-dominated so to speak? >> well i'm not a student of the nba, so i can't talk about international recruiting. i would say 22% for an american league. it's a big number. so i think it seems like that is more and more of what's happening in the league. >> how did surge get so? >> in serge's situation, he was
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lucky. i think others have more high profile leagues. one of the things serge is trying to do is to help kids from congo get some of those chances that players in more visible leagues and countries get. hopefully there will be more future serges because of him. >> you had ten days with him in congo, which is a lot of time although not a lot of time if you're talking about shooting a 60 minute piece. how did this come about you were able to come home with serge ibaka? >> it all happened pretty quickly. a member of serge's team sent an e-mail to the public e-mail inbox for bill simmons who runs grantland. and yeah so bill happened to read that e-mail. he gets a lot of mail. and sent that on to dave the producer who works at grantland and said this would be cool. see if it's real.
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it checked out and jacobi called me, said do you want to go to congo? >> did you expect this to be a feature length film? ten days is a pretty quick shoot. >> to grantland's credit they were ready to do this. even if it turns out to be nothing. we didn't know what was going to happen. maybe it would be a short and had no idea how much we would see, how open and genuine serge would be and how it would develop as a film. and so yeah this was a great surprise. >> i love grantland and this is so classic grantland because a lot of times, things start about sports and expand to be about life. it starts in the realm of basketball. if you don't care about basketball, there's so much here for you. this is about life and about somebody successful returning home. >> i think that's what makes people love a lot about sports. i think it's often not just about the game. it's about the people playing
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the game and how they get to be where they are. and i agree 100%, grantland does a great job of bringing that out. >> it's important to say you got your start right here at msnbc. >> all right, congratulations, adam. it's a fantastic piece. hope a lot of people watch it. we'll be right back after this with a final word. dawn. new bounty with dawn. what a novel idea! just rinse and wring so you can blast right through tough messes and pick up more. huh aren't we clever.... thanks m'aam. look how much easier new bounty with dawn cleans this gooey mess versus soap and a sponge. thank you! new bounty with dawn. available in the paper towel aisle. obviously! ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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