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that's not a good sign. >> good evening. welcome to the ed show. let's get to work. tonight. new allegations out of tulsa. >> falsified. >> plus clinton's stance on trade. that is the story that will affect the most workers in this country. >> americans and their families need a champion. >> leader. christie's tired old ideas. >> that's okay. i'll find exactly where i am right now because i haven't changed. >> claiming fiction. good to have you with us. thank you for watching. this is a story that should trouble the entire country. we hear so much about community policing. we hear so much about there's so much pressure on budgets, on the local level. well this is how you don't do it.
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there is a new development tonight out of oklahoma involving the shooting of an unarmed black man. i'm sure you've seen the tape. the tulsa world said the county record forged training records for the 73-year-old volunteer reserve deputy. the tulsa world is citing multiple unnamed sources in the report. the deputy shot and killed eric harris. retired insurance executive robert bates is charged with second degree manslaughter for the april 2nd shooting of harris. bates was part of an undercover operation which was caught on video. there it is. bates' claim is while he made a mistake, he thought his handgun was actually his taser. now the wealthy volunteer's training records are being called in to question. the newspaper is reporting before the shooting supervisors were ordered to give robert bates, quote, credit for training. field training he never took and firearm certifications he should not have received.
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the newspaper reports three of bates' supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state required training. >> we began hearing right away after the shooting actually i had heard it several years ago in connection with the same individual. but several reporters heard this inside and outside of the "tulsa world" repeatedly. we began to interview the sources and we felt like enough sources, four or five people after a while, saying the same thing and documents that corroborate this information. so basically, the information was that supervisors were told to sign off on a train that he did not do required number of hours and they refused and were transferred. not necessarily disciplined but transferred to less desirable assignments. and then a handgun instructor was also transferred when he refused to sign off on the handguns course. >> nbc news not independently confirmed the tulsa news report.
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there's no doubt they put credibility on the line. bates' attorney sent a statement to msnbc today saying many partin part received training at house and seminars out of state. the suggestion that the training was fabricated is incredulous. the sheriff's office told nbc news they're using unconfirmed sources and relying on anonymity. we don't respond to rumor. the sheriff's office has confirmed to nbc there is an independent internal review of its deputy reserve program. the nbc affiliate in tulsa confirms bates donated more than $2,000 to the sheriff's reelection campaign. the harris family is questioning bates' role in the sting operation all together. >> the message this sends is, as long as you have plenty of money, you can play sheriff. >> bates has turned himself in
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to authorities on tuesday and immediately posted bail of $25,000. he has not yet entered a plea. get your cell phones out. we want to know what you think. should any police volunteer be given a handgun? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we'll have results later in the show. we have community policing. how far do you go with it in it's also the rich can pay to play in our society. that's the new america we have out there. this is about tight budgets. this is about not community policing or protecting the community. this is a rich guy who donated, who worked his way into a position of authority, a position of authority, authority is a hell of a thing. i believe the tulsa world story. i do. because i can envision i can imagine someone saying, hey i'm going to give these documents, you reporters at the newspaper
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but don't put my name to it because i don't want to be targ targeted later on. the tulsa world, they're putting their entire business and their credibility and their future on the line. takes guts to do this kind of reporting as i see it. joined by karen desoto, former prosecutor and professor of political science. and thomas mesirow, a criminal defense attorney and msnbc, director of avenue director. is the internal investigation they say is going on, do you think that's sufficient at this point or should it be at a higher level? >> well, first of all, you will always have to do your internal investigation regardless of what happens to different agencies. but both the u.s. attorney's office and the ag's office can get involved in this because if
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there was a falsification of records, then obviously many agencies have jurisdiction to kind of investigate all of what is going on there. so the prosecutor's office can get involved at this point. they can do their own investigation. so there's a lot that could happen and will probably happen at this point. that's not even, that's before we get into the civil suits that are probably going to arise out of this. >> mr. mesirow, where does the liability stand, if this report in the tulsa world is accurate? if there were reports that were falsified, that he was given accreditation to things he didn't earn through which was a required system, where does that bring us? >> in a civil suit for wrongful death and negligence against the police department, it's going to be devastating evidence against the police department. i think the family of the gentleman who was killed are going to have a lot stronger because of this evidence if it's true. as far as the criminal case
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goes, it's a question of to what extent the defendant was involved in the cover-up. it may have been someone else thought they were doing him a favor and giving him credit they don't know about. i said even though the charges are very appropriate, this is a defense lawyer's dream. this guy is going to get up and say i'm 73 years old with no criminal record. i've supported our police for years every way i could. i donated my time. i did not set the stage for this event. i thought this was a violent criminal you know, keeping us on a chase. i made a mistake. i acknowledged it right away. i'm so sorry. i'm devastated. please don't make me a felon the rest of my life. it may be a defensible criminal case but civil, if it's true it's going to be devastating. >> karen back to you for a moment. if this is a defense attorney's dream, how about the prosecutor? how would you view this case? >> well a prosecutor has lots of claims here. first of all not only is the
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defendant mr. bates in this case have liability, criminal liability, but also any officer who falsified and put those documents through. you have to remember ed that it is not a defense for other police officers to comply with an illegal order. those police officers that helped with any falsification would be in a really bad situation to get prosecuted for official misconduct. for conspiracy. not just bad for him but the entire police department. >> doctor what is your reaction that bates was acting a pay to play cop and if these records were falsified, that's the only reason why he was there that we can assume is that he had the money to put himself on the job? >> i think the harris family and their attorneys have the right angle and the right sense about this, ed. you'll notice in the statements they repeatedly refer to reasonable, they refer to
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reasonable over and over again. they come down to whether mr. bates was conducting himself as a reasonable officer whether or not those other officers conduct themselves reasonably in that particular situation. very complicated. but two other issues i want to consider here. malcolm x's grassroots movement put a report that every 28 hours, these killings happen by law enforcement or vigilante but mr. bates is in between. more and more law enforcement rely on citizens to come in and volunteer. mr. bates had the resources, donated cars to guns to the tasers and maybe even the cameras using to film this particular case and have to ask ourselves, ed why are law enforcement institutions having more and more to rely on these volunteers and possible individual tan vigilantes? they're underfunded. so at the moment we're wrestling with all of these challenges about black life and murder of unarmed citizens we have to
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consider whether or not these law enforcement institutions are properly funded to do the work they're supposed to do. >> money and politics are the root to all evil. i think we'll see those problems but the politics involved here ed, you see the political contributions here. again, politics, this is what happens when you have sheriffs and judges and prosecutors that campaign and there's a lot of corruption involved. that's in anything that has any type of money here. even if the manslaughter charges don't stick, you still have involuntary manslaughter. if he was acting in a reckless manner, he could be charged and exposed up to six years in jail. >> mr. mesirow, from a defense attorney's standpoint if i'm a prosecutor, i would say this. that mr. bates felt so confident in his training that he thought he could go for his taser. obviously, there were other cops around that could have gotten the job done but felt so em
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boldened by his position he felt confident enough to grab for something that turned out to be a gun, he thought it was a taser. where does that put the defense in this regard? >> well the defense, again, is going to say he was chasing a violent felon. a felon who was trying to sell illegal guns guns that kill. the chase was on. he did everything he could given what he knew and the stress of the situation. that is what the defense is going to say and a man with no prior history of criminal conduct that always supported the police. he did his very best. the case against the police department for civil damages could be devastating with this kind of information. but remember, the person he was chasing was on tape trying to sell illegal weapons. the man who was killed in south carolina was stopped for a busted taillight. >> 73-year-old man should not -- there's mandatory minimums in almost every state. mandatory retirement for police officer is usually at 65. you have a 73-year-old man here. you really need to take that
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into consideration. >> does that apply to his mental state? i doubt it. it applies to the police for letting him do it. he'll say he was trying to do his best. >> sounds like it. right. sounds like oklahoma needs some legislation. [ talking over each other ] >> this 73-year-old guy, this 73-year-old guy is in a sense taking the position of maybe a 20 or a 30 something who really wants to be the real peace officer, the well trained peace officer. there's a number of things that come into play here. tight budgets, community policing, somebody cash weapon pay to play election money, all of this. this is the ugliest case when it comes to community policing and what can really happen when you give somebody the authority that they think they have and now there's question about whether the training was proper or not.
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this is a perfect storm. >> common sense tells us a 73-year-old man should not be chasing after a suspect. it's pretty clear. so obviously, there's a lot going on here. >> taking that -- go ahead, tom. >> i agree. the question is he now a felon, because he was there to help the police. the defense is saying he did the best he could in a difficult situation he didn't create. i'm not saying he should have been there. i think it's the fault of the police department. he shouldn't have been in that position. that's absolutely correct. >> agreed. >> a tricky thing to say because at the end of the day, he paid his way there. >> he did pay his way there. >> politics and money. >> thank you all. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. that's where you have to go. have the results after this break. follow us on facebook and watch my facebook feature, gimme a
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tonight's pulse poll. should any police officer be volunteer be given a handgun? 94% consistently say no. pulse.msnbc.com. should any police volunteer be given a handgun? those are the numbers. we're right back on the ed show dible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping
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campaign trail in iowa. if you keep track of where hillary clinton stands on issues, she's redefined herself in many respects. addressed a number of positions people want to hear her on. clinton immediately spoke out about income inequality at her first event. >> as you look across the country, the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top and there's something wrong with that. there's something wrong when ceos make 300 times more than the typical worker. >> she continued her tone throughout the week. let's go down the check lists of issues. income inequality. bernie sanders is not sure if she knows how to really address it. she spoke about citizens united kind of. she talked about big money and politics and the constitutional amendment to address it which was interesting. clinton supports same-sex marriage, unequivocally.
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very defined on that. she wants to tackle growing student debt and do something about it. president obama's tried to do something about it. he's for free college tuition at community colleges. clinton will fight to protect obamacare obamacare. that means preexisting conditions and i think she's got good credibility. she tried to get it done back in the '90s. she wants to free up capital for start-ups. that means access to money. the big banks are tight with the dollar. the little guys those with not many resources, will they ever get their chance in america? it sounds like she wants to change that. and there's one very important missing issue on the list but it's still early in the campaign. but it's been such a hot issue on capitol hill trade policies in the transpacific partnership. i'll tell you why this is a huge deal. the former secretary of state had to know something about the
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transpacific partnership being negotiated. it's been a good week for hillary but if she came out against the tp it would be down for a vote. earlier today, tax communities in action in the house and the senate and reached an agreement on fast track authority. the bill would give congress the power to vote on the transpacific partnership, the trade deal which will encompass 60% of the world economy but would deny them it would deny congress from making changes on the trade deal when things go bad. now at this hour it's unclear if fast track has the support to make it to the president's desk. now, house democrats are standing strong against fast track. every union in this country. not some, not a few, not most. every single union in this country has taken an official position against this trade deal. how can hillary be silent? now we know it will ship
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american jobs overseas and the democrats need to be concerned with one thing. whoever is running for president. you want to win the white house, you better win ohio and you better win pennsylvania. and if you think you can go to la rain ohio and toledo ohio and youngstown ohio and get the same workers that reelected brown and the state of ohio if a democrat can turn his or her back on the ttp and win ohio it will be a charles atlas lift. believe me. i don't know if it's politically possible. it becomes a huge issue in the big picture for the white house. because of labor's involvement on this and the pressure it will put on middle class families. it's become big news this week after this fast track agreement in these committees. americans deserve to know early on unequivocally, where does hillary clinton stand on this deal?
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because if she supports fast track and if she supports the tep, i would bet every dime i have in vegas somebody else will jump in the race just because of this issue. for more let me bring in congresswoman rosa delor of connecticut. great to have you with us. what do you make of these agreements that were struck in the committee today? what does this mean? is this a step forward? >> let me just say this ed and i think you'll appreciate this as well as larry cohen will. id like to quote a good friend of all of ours that was governor ann richards when she said you can put the lipstick in earrings on a pig, call it monique. but it's still a pig. this agreement today is what fast track was about in 2014 and when it arrived in the congress it was dead on arrival and it will be continue to be opposed
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in this congress as well. we've got laid out negotiating objectives that are not enforceable in any way. you take a look at currency and larry will comment on this as well, i'm sure. they say they should avoid currency manipulation. think about that. avoid. what does that mean? there's no prohibition and indeed, this treaty in the making for five yaers and told there will be no currency chapter in it and currency is directly related to loss of job, depression of wages, and the data is overwhelming and they will not address it in this fast track bail. >> apparently in the senate finance committee today, ron wyden is saying they agree with the human rights provisions in here. i don't know how you're going to enforce that. you're trusting other nations.
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larry, what do you make of this? >> i think there was no enforcement. i was in mexico last week with progressive groups including independent unionists. they haven't been talked to at all. somehow we'll will it through words in a chapter when the countries involved, whether it's vietnam or other groups mexico where conditions for workers continue to get worse, it's impossible. and we've had no enforcement before. we get reports. i was in honduras. we got a nice report on honduras three years after the complaints were filed. gaut mala, 6 years later and then meets with the governments. meanwhile, corporations get the right to sue and get billions of dollars. it's not any better. just better words in some ways but the end result is exactly the same. citizens get nothing. >> ed let me just add. >> hold on. congresswoman, are there enough
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votes in the vote to pass fast track? >> we're not going to pass fast track. we're going to defeat it. there's opposition to it. with regard to the human rights you talked about, those objectives say we need to promote human rights we're going to promote human rights. what does promote mean? as larry pointed out, no enforceability. there hasn't been in the past. he cited the cases. we're going to be engaged with the country of brunei who flags and stones women, gays is that the human rights we want to promote through trade agreements no no ? no. >> does hillary clinton's silence on tpp trouble you? >> i think so. she has to speak out. unlike other policy issues that depend on the congress like reducing student debt the president, the executive branch initiates the trade issues. they initiate and negotiate in secret deals like ttp.
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the ciliary in termsritical action we would say to candidate clinltton, where do you stand? it's easy enough to say i see countries come out against it from beauolivia and brazile. it's a 20th century version. i think that's important. the rest can be rhetoric about what i want congress to do that they'll never do. this is what the executive branch does. she needs to say no fast track, no investor state. >> all right. >> been a lot of activism on capitol hill. let's see if it has an effect. congresswoman rosa. appreciate the conversation. snuff out smoking with the set of new laws. we'll have the details ahead and chris christie thinks about a
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good to have you back with us, tonight. thank you for watching. it seems that chris christie is floating this big balloon trying to wonder whether the country really wants him to run for president. he won't stand firm on a presidential run. >> we're still going through the really personal part of this decision. with me and mary pat and the family. i don't know, i will tell you this i think a governor is going to be the nominee. >> christie needs to tell the country what he thinks makes him a good candidate. i think that's a crucial question. all of the declared republican candidates, i think, have got a horrible record on the economy. marco rubio ted cruz rand paul all pushed for the government shutdown and cost the treasury. they only hurt the economy and
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christie is no different. what is he going to run on? credit agencies downgraded 8 times since christie went into the governor's office. distrust showed in the public retirement system. last year christie backed out of the system to pay $2.4 billion of promised pension funds he never wants to pay up. >> i tell you the truth i'm tired of hearing about the minimum wage. i really am. >> he wants to reform entitle entitlements and doesn't want to pay anybody. okay. he cut teachers across the board to the tune of 6,000 in education. he's not a job creator. the numbers don't show that. his big idea is gutting entitlements. >> in the long-term, it will steal our children's future it will bankrupt our nation. frankly, washington is afraid to have an honest conversation about social security medicare and medicaid with the people of our country.
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>> i that's a special way to privatize everything we can. and it is. he wants you to believe that social security is the big threat to your future you 20 and 30 somethings. it certainly isn't the billions of dollars we spend in the middle east. chris christie needs to tell the country what qualifies for him other than his bravado and his style and his knocking folk around jersey guy attitude. joining me tonight, new jersey assemblyman gordon johnson with us and david corn bureau chief and msnbc political analyst. great to have both of you with us here tonight. mr. johnson, you first. why does chris christie why is he waiting to announce why doesn't he announce right now? >> i don't know exactly why or what his plan is.
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maybe he's waiting for more new jerseyians to support him. about 70% said they wouldn't vote for him as president and that's his home state in nj. 70% of the poll i read in the paper the other day. so maybe he's waiting for that to go up or down. >> i don't hear any new ideas, david corn. do you see? >> no. he's obviously trying to get a hold of some of the support he used to have in the republican fund raising establishment by talking about long-term debt and entitlements which is a pet issue of those supporters of the republican party. what is he waiting for? i think the indictments to come down. i think people expect indictments in the next week or two. not of him but his aids in the bridgegate business. but his whole rational from a year ago why he would make a
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credible candidate, this is a republican who would win in sort of democratic blue states like new jersey. well as gordon johnson just said, he can't win his own home state now. he's come and at the same time he used to alienate conservative voters because he was too close to the president and didn't kowtow to the right as some of the other candidates. i think he's left with no constituency anymore. >> what about that mr. johnson? if he can't get his home state, who's going to support this guy? let me focus back on this. what has he accomplished in new jersey? you have to run on a record. what is his record as you see it? >> well let's see. what comes to mind are the 8 downgrades by fitch and moody's. when it comes to our fiscal stability, let's look at the missed pension installment that he refused to pay. he promised to pay.
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signed at the end of the law, doesn't want to pay that now and unemployment rate higher than our neighbors, actually higher than our neighbor states. so i don't know what else he could run on when it comes to issues in his home state. we have of course our trust fund. hooels not he's not addressing that, almost bankrupt. i don't know what he has to run on. >> has he been a job creator? >> excuse me? >> mr. johnson, has he created jobs? are there net positive jobs in new jersey on his watch? >> not that i've read no. as a matter of fact in today's paper, it said our unemployment rate at 6.5% higher than our neighbors. it's actually a bit higher. unemployment is higher that is. >> david corn, what is he running on? what is he going to say, i did this, what's he going to say? >> i don't -- every governor can come up with statistics to make it seem like their state is the
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miracle state that's doing so well. putting that aside, as i said earlier, i don't think he has much of a rational and i think he knows that in terms of the outcome which is why he's trying to pivot a bit. and is tough talking, i'll tell you the hard truths republican kind of a guy. and candidates always try to run that way on both sides. you have democrats to do that in the past. senator sangas one on the democratic side. he'll try to fill up that space in the republican side but i don't think it's going to give him a lot of lift. >> all right. and assemblyman gordon johnson and and. i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. stocks end slightly lower. dow falls 6 points. the s&p off by one. the nasdaq sheds three points.
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and we are back. california democrats are taking on big tobacco in a big way. this month, state lawmakers announced bold anti-smoking measures to lead to stamp out tobacco use all together. lawmakers want to raise the smoking age from 18 to 21, raise
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the tobacco tax by $2 per pack and ban smokeless tobacco from all california ballparks. another bill would regulate electronic cigarettes like other tobacco products banning their use in public places. a new report reveals a shocking rise in ecigarettes among teenagers. nbc's erica edwards has the latest. >> reporter: good news. just 9% of high school students say they smoked cigarettes last year, a significantly decline from 16% in 2011. but it seems the replacing conventional cigarettes with electronic cigarettes. both contain nicotine. >> nicotine is we know for sure an addictive product. put into the hands of teenagers who are more susceptible to addictive products. >> the center for disease control
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control. ecigarettes tripled in a short period of time. from 4.5% in 2013 to more than 13% a year later. >> the fact that youth are even experimenting with these products which we know can have lasting effects on their developing brain can cause addiction and lead to sustained tobacco use is concerning to us. >> the food and drug administration has power over conventional cigarettes but not ecigarettes which have exploded in popularity in recent years. >> we don't want to be playing a game of tobacco nicotine whack a whole where we're addressing one type of tobacco product and allowing others to skyrocket. >> reporter: last year a ban on ecigarettes under 18 idea backed by the ecigarette industry. >> on rapid response panel, california state senator mark reno and gregory connelly the president of the american vaping association. senator, you first. you have a sponsored bill to regulate ecigarettes. is this going to have an impact?
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do you think this will curb habits of young people? >> thank you very much for the invitation, ed. i'm a big fan of your show. what we're trying to do here in california and have bipartisan support on our bill is to protect public health and to prevent a new generation of nicotine addicts. and all the bill does it doesn't ban any vaping establishments, it doesn't do anything other than, as you said regulate ecigarettes as the tobacco products as they are and not only does the fda say they are a tobacco product and the centers for disease control and the world health organization, the california department of public health but if you look on the packaging of some of these ecigarette manufacturers such as mark tanner or even go to the web site of r.j. reynolds they say they are an innovative digital tobacco product. so everyone recognizes they are tobacco product and as soon as the draft regulations of the fda
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go into effect in june that will be official. >> mr. connelly should this be regulated? is this a danger to teens? should there be regulations on ecigarettes as you see it? >> well first off, thank you for having me. as far as regulation goes california law already bans the sale of vapor products to minors. one of the first states to do so and fda regulation could be good for public health but unfortunately, the current system set up would benefit big tobacco because the requirements to keep products on the mark under act is so stringent, 99% of these smoke-free nicotine-free products will literally be removed from the market overnight and so that is our big concern when it comes to federal regulation. >> well mr. connelly isn't ecigarettes a tobacco product?
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>> no many of them do not contain nicotine. these are technology products. yes, the nicotine is derived from tobacco but the gum, patch, and lozenge, they also contain nicotine derived from tobacco but because they are produced by pharmaceutical companies, we have made the decision as a nation not to label them as tobacco products, so we argue, why not create separate classifications for innovative products that are helping people quit? >> what about that senator leno? >> if the ecigarette industry would like to be determined by the food and drug administration to be a cessation device they should submit an application and if they do get the determination as a cessation device which no one other than they claim they are, our legislation will not impact them because our bill is not about cessation devices. but no one other than mark tan, again, one of the largest players in the industry if you
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look on their packaging, we are not a cessation device nor have we been tested as such. >> sorry. go ahead. go ahead. >> i was going to say, that is big tobacco and big tobacco, reynolds they may sell ecigarettes but 95% of their margins still made off of traditional deadly combustible cigaretteles. they see a benefit to labeling these and shutting out their small business competitors from this market. >> and you'll find this interesting. in 2009 the industry sued the fda claiming they were a tobacco product, not a cessation device because if they were fda could have regulated them at that time. they won in court. the court ruled they were a tobacco product. >> all right. >> that's a false statement. >> gentlemen, we'll have you back. mark leno and gregory connelly
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welcome back to "the ed show." and finally tonight, this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. in fact, this is where folks want to work. thousands of protesters demanded a living wage on wednesday. low-wage workers across the country united for a day of
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action. now, demonstrations like these have really led to wage hikes at walmart and mcdonald's. there's been a lot of public pressure. the co-founder of burger king well, this guy won't budge. david edgarton. he says higher wages mean hey, $10 hamburger! he calls the living wage quote, a wild figure. his numbers, as i see it are off. fast food workers in denmark get 20 bucks an hour. their burgers cost less than a dollar more than ours. now, not all business leaders think like edgarton. the ceo of the seattle-based company, gravity payments raised the wages of his entire staff we cutting his own pay. he's putting workers first,ing and of course, he joins us tonight. dan price is the ceo of gravity payments. dan, good to have you with us on "the ed show" tonight. curious, what motivated you to do this and what did you -- what kind of reaction did you think you were going to get? >> yeah i would say, it really
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comes down to values for me. business is all about values. and our values started by us saying how do we make credit card processing fair for business? because it's very much a big monopolistic industry that takes advantage of businesses. but as we learn more and more about that we decided, we kind of like standing up for the little guy. and a big part of that is helping people get ahead and succeed and so we've been thinking about it for a while. and we came up with this idea. >> well you know the bottom line has to work. is the bottom line going to work with this move? >> you know, it's a little bit of a risk especially in the short-term. it is a big sacrifice for us for our bottom line but we've spent our entire time in business doing the right thing and kind of letting the bottom line take care of itself. and i think this is one more of those moments, where, you know when you put your faith in doing the right thing and taking care of people you know they tend to take care of you back. i was sitting in the studio here and i was watching your guys' twitter feed go by and there
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were many, many people saying, hey, let's reward companies like gravity payments for doing the right thing. let's switch our credit card processing. let's do business with gravity payments. there are real tangible ways we can join these movements and create long-lasting social change. >> you know, authority is a heck of a thing, but so is loyalty. and loyalty in business can take companies a long way. i mean i don't think you could buy this kind of pr. i mean i'm serious. i mean you're all over the news, people are talking about it. it's a really model of unselfishness, and this conversation that's going on in this company about income inequality, did that play at all into your decision at all? >> it did quite a bit, but a big part of it was, i really thought these people deserved it right? because my colleagues at gravity, because when i started the company, people said hey, yeah dan, you can take great care of your clients, you can charge them way less and do more for them but it's not scaleable. it's not sustainable. and so i continued to push on
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that and added more people and you know as the companies have gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and now we have thousands of clients all over the united states, we've maintained that same ethic of putting our clients first and viewing business as a place to serve and lead, to the just make money. so i'm really proud that we've come this far and have maintained that. but to tell you the truth, everyone has to be on board for that in my business. so there are people that work in a job where they were making you know priority to our announcement on monday $35,000 a year and they are just as essential to that success as i am. and they were adding just as much as me yet i was making 20 times as much as they were. and to me it just kind of struck me as wrong. and then in addition to that you know the more i thought about and researched happiness and pay and how they relate it was all about once you get to a number around $70,000, $80,000, you can really focus on your work. and so that's why i wanted to
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allow people to do. >> you have now become the company to work for in seattle. hey, this dan price guy is a really good guy. we say on this program, let's get to work. now, you've got to get to work and make this thing work. congratulations and good luck to you, dan. good job. you're a real model for leadership in business. way to go. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. we have breaking news in the fight over the confirmation of loretta lynch as attorney general. it's been 159 days since she was first nominated. but republicans have refused to hold a vote in the full senate. so senate minority leader harry reid just told rachel maddow that if republicans don't schedule a vote for lynch, he'll force a vote

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