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thinks that both barack obama and hillary clinton are closer to his foreign policy than rand paul. that's -- >> quite a hit at rand paul. >> we learned he can balance comedy and national security like nobody's business. >> we knew that. you talked about his catskills act in new hampshire. >> secretary of fun. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around "the rundown" is coming now. one two three. . thank you. good morning i'm craig melvin in for jose diaz-balart. it's a nastys in a nasty, rainy monday at 30 rockefeller. a marathon monday in boston massachusetts. developing right now on "the rundown," more questions in the death of freddie gray, he's the man who died sunday a week after being arrested by baltimore police. nbc obtained this video of the incident from gray's family attorney. just moments ago the mayor of baltimore was on "morning joe" and said she is determined to hold people accountable for what
happened. >> i've instructed the police department to work in full cooperation with the state's attorneys office to do this investigation and we have already indicated that we will also have independent eyes take a look at. this this is not the first time i have that asked for independent review so we could make sure that we are getting this right for the people. we can't just depend on -- as the attorney for mr. gray says you know, the police looking at the police and we don't depend on that. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams gets us started. pete? >> reporter: good morning, both the mayor and the police chief say they're committed to finding out what happened and giving a public kindergarten. this baltimore man was 25. he died a week after he was arrested and a family lawyer says the man's spine was partially severed in police custody. >> [ screaming ] >> reporter: this cell phone video provided to nbc news by the lawyer for 25-year-old
freddie gray shows the arrest. the lawyer says gray suffered a broken neck last sunday when police arrested and restrains him. the police have not given a cause for gray's injuries or specified why he was arrested saying there is an investigation into the incident. >> get off me, yo! >> reporter: the lawyers for gray's family says he died sunday from his injuries. >> what we know who is that while in police custody for committing no crime for which they had no justifyication for making an arrest except it was a black man running, his spine was virtually severed. >> reporter: officials say gray's arrest came after he ran from four officers on bicycles. according to a police timeline at 8:42 a.m. april 12 officers called far police van and said gray was conscious and talking when officers put him into the police vehicle. another video apparently shot by a witness shows the van stopped at a second location at 8:54.
gray appears to be taken out of the vehicle, put on the pavement and confined by more restraints. at 9:24 police say, they called paramedics to the precinct to take gray to the hospital. >> today is freddie gray! >> reporter: more than 100 protesters gathered outside a baltimore police station demanding answers. the latest in a string of protests. in a news conference officials said they are committed to providing answers to what happened to freddie gray. >> what we do know is that we had officers in an area of a high-crime area known to have high narcotic incidents. one of the things we do not want to do is give out any information that is speculation and not fact-based, i i the police officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. at the request of the police commissioner, the justice department had been investigating complaints about police brutality in baltimore. craig? >> pete williams for us on this monday. pete, thank you. we will have much more on that
case throughout "the rundown." now to developments in another police-involved incident, the tulsa county sheriff's office will be holding a press conference to talk about the shooting death of eric harris. harris was killed by reserve deputy robert bates who says he mistook his gun for a taser. in an nbc news exclusive, the mother of harris's son says she forgives bates but still wants the truth. harris's son says he wants bates and the other deputies involved to pay for what they did. >> they should all go down. they were all -- they were involved in it. one of the dudes had his knee on his head. i thought that played a part in his death after the shooting. so i would like all of them to get what they deserve. >> attorneys for the harris family says bates was not adequately trained. over the weekend, an attorney released more than 60 pages of documents showing bates qualified in weapons training ten times, took a class on tasers in 2009. but those training documents are
still incomplete. the sheriff of tulsa county will be asked to clear up those questions when he holds a news conference again set to start about an hour from now. neighbors's gabe gutierrez continues to follow this for us. gabe, where do things stand right now? >> hi craig, good morning. as you mentioned, we're awaiting that news conference in a little less than an hour. over the past few days protesters have been asking prosecutors to take a closer look not just at that preserve deputy but at others who were seen on that video. >> mr. bates do you want to say anything? >> reporter: this morning there are new questions about reserve deputy robert bates' training before he shot and killed eric harris, a suspect in a sting operation. >> don't judge eric based on that video alone because he was so much more than that. >> reporter: kathy frailley is the mother of harris '16-year-old son aden. this is the first time she spoke
publicly about the man she called her soul mate. >> very hurtful. he was saying he couldn't breathe. it was hurtful to see how he was treated even after he was shot. >> i'm out of breath. >> [ bleep ] your breath. >> reporter: they want more scrutiny of other deputies who can be heard yelling at harris. what is it that you want? >> justice. them to admit they were wrong. >> you shot me! >> reporter: the sheriff's office says the other deputies did not realize harris had been shot. >> would you stand up for me for one second and show me? >> my taser is right here. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview friday, the 73-year-old bates apologized and showed matt where he normally kept his taser in relation to his gun. >> you must believe me it can happen to anyone. >> reporter: now his attorneys have released more of his training documents. evaluations say he had a good working relationship with supervisors and other deputies and related well toe the public but he had problems with
geography and using a police radio. gun certification records reveal his accuracy scores range from 16 during one test to 95 during another out of a maximum 100. a spokesperson says the sheriff's office is still searching for more paperwork but insists bates was properly trained. attorneys for the family of eric harris say the records released so far are incomplete and do not prove that bates was adequately trained. bates is charged with second degree manslaughter and, craig, he's expected to be arraigned tomorrow. >> gabe utility gargutierrez, thank you. next hour we will take you live to the tulsa county sheriff's press conference. also, a live look at the white house where we are learning yet another person jumped the fence making it on to the south lawn. the secret service says the suspects was immediately arrested but in the wake of a number of challenges, the department's reputation continues to face criticism. nbc's kristen welker is on the north lawn for us.
kristen, what do we know about this particular incident? >> craig, good morning to you. in this latest incident the service says a person carrying a suspicious package jumped the fence on the south side of the white house complex late sunday night. now, that's the side that faces the washington monument. the fence jumper was immediately arrested by the secret service and is in custody. officials say the package the person was carrying was not a danger but as you mention this follows several recent embarrassing incidents for the secret service regarding white house security. last september, you'll recall a man jumped the fence and got all the way inside the residence. he was carrying a knife in his pocket. then last month two secret service agents drove a government car into a white house security barricade after a night of drinking. the newly installed secret service director joseph clancey has been called to testify on capitol hill about these lapses and he's vowed to improve the security situation. the national park service, which overseas the white house grounds, is considering new steel spikes atop the current fence, that would be a temporary
solutioning to the problem of fence jumpers until a new more secure era rey placement fence can be built. craig, back to you. >> kristen welker at 1600 pennsylvania. thank you. also developing right now overseas, the desperate search continues in the mediterranean sea off the coast of libya after a boat carrying as many as 950 migrants capsized. so far, just 28 survivors have been rescued. 24 bodies have been recovered. and there's this disturbing detail. one survivor says hundreds of the migrants were being locked in the hold of the ship by the smugglers on board. let's go live now to london nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. bill, what are officials saying about all of this at this point? >> yes, good morning, craig. another absolutely horrific mass drowning of migrants from the mediterranean trying to reach a better way of life in europe. this one the worst so far. and to be honest, we don't know and officials don't know exactly what the death toll is. initial reports were over 700.
then a bangladeshi survivor said about 950 people were on board including, as you say, maybe 200 locked in the hold below the waterline. the ship went down. it was two decks high about 60 feet long and that ship is now in about three miles of water so far, far too deep for divers to go down. we will frankly never know how many people died on that ship. today in europe foreign ministers are meeting to try and work out what on earth to do about this wave of migrants who are crossing in the calm spring waters and dying in their hundreds. they've been accused of basically looking away not doing anything about this wave of migrants who are trying to reach europe. there was a scheme last year which was scrapped to try to send boats to rescue these people. that was abandoned and clearly now in the spring we've had at
least, well 1500 deaths so far and that's 50 times greater than the death toll this time last year. >> bill, also developing right now, and you probably have heard about this three more migrant ships in distress another boat carrying dozens of migrants has run aground off a a greek island. what do we know about these instances? do we know a great deal right now? >> yes, what we know who is that the international organization for migration has tweeted that three more boats are in distress. we do know of one boat off the greek island of rhodes that was coming in on rough seas and as you can see there, those are some of the survivors clinging on to a piece of that boat's wreckage. there's a child there near the middle and a disinterpret mother trying to send the child into the arms of those rescuers you can see the debris from the wooden shape all around.
we believe three people drowned. 80 were rescue bud officials can't give us an accurate number because they don't know now. this tragedy ongoing even as we speak. >> bill neely, thank you, sir, we'll check in with you later. we are just getting started on this monday edition of "the rundown." from iowa to new hampshire hillary clinton heads with the granite state to meet with the first in the nation primary voters. we'll tell you why new hampshire is especially special for the clintons. also today is the 119th running of the boston marathon but the second since the tsarnaev brothers set off two bombs at the finish line killing three and injuring 260 others. security stepped up but the city is excited for patriots' day. we'll get a live report. more americans due in court accused of plotting to join isis. the latest on those arrests straight ahead on msnbc.
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. in just a few hours, hillary clinton will begin the second phase of her second presidential run. the candidate is in new hampshire the state where she pulled a stunning upset in 2008 to win that primary. today she will be once again meeting with what her camp calls "everyday americans." she's visiting small business owners and a community college to hone in on her economic message. msnbc's kasie hunt has been on the trail for us. this is a special state. not just for hillary clinton but for bill clinton as well right? >> that's right, craig. and while they started in iowa which is a state that has not treated them well. it's where she first lost to barack obama bill clinton didn't compete there in '92 because it wasn't competitive. new hampshire is a different story all together. it's what -- where bill
clinton's presidential campaign first really got off the ground and in 2008 it threw hillary clinton a lifeline. >> over the last week i listened to you and in the process i found my own voice. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: they're the ultimate political survivors. and it's new hampshire that has saved the clintons twice when they've been given up for dead. >> new hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. >> reporter: a surprise second-place finish in the 1992 primary brought bill clinton's campaign back to life cement ago deep bond with the voters he swore he'd never let down. >> i'll never forget who gave me a second chance and i'll be there for you until the last dog dies. >> reporter: 16 years later, his wife landed in new hampshire after a crushing loss in iowa. >> what can you say to the
voters on new hampshire on this stage tonight where they seem to like barack obama more. >> well that hurts my feelings. [ laughter ] i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough hillary. >> thank you so much. >> pretty sharp words from candidate obama here on this debate stage at st. anselm college. it was a rare mistake for him and the beginning of a turnaround for clinton. >> i have so many opportunities from this country. i don't want to see us fall backwards. >> t. >> reporter: that rare seemingly vulnerable moment came the day before the new hampshire primary and rallied many women behind her. >> i'm voting for you today. >> thank you, that means a lot to me. >> reporter: today hillary clinton makes her first trip back as a presidential candidate. it's friendlier turf than iowa and she might be the strongest democratic front-runner in history. but even her closest advisors warn that doesn't mean new hampshire is a sure thing. >> the new hampshire primary is a real challenge for somebody
who's world famous. and i think it's hard to scale things down. >> pretty rare admissioning from a close clinton advisor is that this is this will be tougher next time around. they're trying hard to keep these events small and limited. they're trying to do more off-the-record stops, evade reporters, maybe at dunkin' donuts. it will take reporters a lot to figure out which of the many many dunkin' donuts in new hampshire she might go to to get coffee. new hampshire has been a place that's allowed them to come back from things when they've been down and have her to be a commanding front-runner and to be as he said world famous to a much greater extent than she was in 2008. it will be tough. >> you've been poring over a lot of the video in bill clinton in '92. what has struck you most about the changes in the candidates? >> well, look i think her challenge is always going to be to connect in that natural way. that's what the campaign is
showing. one of the things that's hard for her is that bill clinton is such a natural politician. he's the best in generations. she gets compared to him, that's an unfair comparison to make for almost anyone. she has to be standing next to him every single time. it's tricky. >> kasie hunt always enjoy it. thank you so much. we have more on the republican side of the race. also clinton's spokesperson farren karen finney. coming up, we'll zoom through today's top stories, including the first american governor heading to cuba since the easing of restrictions on that country. take a live look this is new york city on a dreary monday literally and figuratively. severe thunderstorms. bill kierein will have that forecast next.
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z. at the boston marathon the elite women are about to begin that 26 mile quest from hopkinton to boston. this is the second marathon since the deadly terror attack of two years ago. it comes one day before jurors begin hearing arguments on whether convicted bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev should be getting the death penalty. msnbc's adam reese is near the finish line along boylston street in boston. adam, give us a sense of what the mood is like two years later. >> reporter: good morning, craig, security beefed up along the route, especially at the finish line added police on every street corner dogs sniffing everywhere and checkpoints checking for bags but despite the cold weather, 42 degrees, pretty chilly today, rain on its way, organizers say about a million people will line the route to watch 30,000 runners vie for that coveted olive wreath. one group is moving on, the 25 runners, they were victims of the bombing running together
today triumph over tragedy. 25 victims running, trying to move on from the bombing. joining me now, robin from texas. you are going to watch your husband. tell me, you say you feel pretty safe today? >> absolutely. since we entered boston the police have been -- a lot of presence of police and they're very -- they're polite they're wonderful, they want us to feel safe and i feel very protected, very safe in this area. >> reporter: enjoy the race, good luck to your husband. now, tomorrow memories will come rushing back the trial resumes for the dzhokhar tsarnaev the penalty phase as they look to see if he will receive life in prison for the death penalty. craiging? >> adam reese in boston. thank you. we'll head back to bean town next hour for the latest from the marathon there. it is shaping up though to be a day full of potentially dangerous weather, including severe thunderstorms and some possible tornados as well. let's go right to bill. let's start with the marathon bill. how bad is it going to be for
runners and spectators? >> it's fine for the next hour and a half. the problem is the marathon goes on throughout the day. the elite runners will finish up between 11:00 a.m. and noon. they'll be fine and dry. but for everyone else running, people like me or even worse, it will be into the afternoon. so we had one batch of showers going through, you may have seen people wearing their slickers already. there's nothing behind it so we have a little time before we see the steadier rains moving in. so the forecast goes like this. about 43 degrees. it's chilly raw out there. by 1:00 p.m. the temperatures doesn't go up much. the elite runners don't mind the cold temperatures. they like to keep their temperatures cool, they're all right. 49 degrees by 4:00 p.m. as the stragglers come in late in the day. so we're very chilly with the rain to the north and that will be the problem there and even into tomorrow we still have a chance of storms in the boston area. not the best patriots' day. they'll be lucky to get the red sox game in starting at 11:00. so, you know some issues. >> severe weather wise right now which areas in the country are
under the biggest threat? >> we actually just -- we had a large asia of the east coast under a slight risk. this was a storm that yesterday produced the severe weather here. the blue shows you the wind reports, hail reports in the deep south. that storm is coming to the east and we had what we call a slight risk of severe weather but we've upgraded that to an enhanced risk. we're watching this first batch of heavy rain through new york city. this is not the severe weather threat. by the way there's four hour weather delays at laguardia airport. imagine waiting for that? that's miserable e. this is the worst of it, the rain coming into boston at the end of their marathon. we get a second batch behind that. that's this area in orange here. that's an enhanced rusk of severe weather. the yellow is the slight risk. we had 44 million in the slight risk. 23 in the enhanced risk and we could see isolated tornados a lot of wind damage and heavily populated areas so that's this afternoon's risk area and then tomorrow we quiet it down. >> bill karins thank you. the developing news against
the fight against islamic terrorists. primary topic for john kerry when he huddle ls with the president and the vice president. but the fight isn't just overseas. case in point, the arrests of four men in minneapolis and two more in san diego for allegedly supporting isis fighters. federal officials will be holding a news conference at 10:30, something we are keeping a very close eye on here as well on this monday morning. i'm joined now by steve clemmons washington editor at large the atlantic and an msnbc contributor. zs the feds insist they were not an internal threat but i would imagine there has to be a pretty thin line between supporting isis overseas and launching your own attack here at home correct? >>. >> i couldn't say it any better than you did. people here increasingly seeing isis and its affiliates abroad being supported, it's a risk factor in the united states. to the degree that was a large somali population that they were
watching a, one of the people arrested in san diego was a brother of one of the people there, they're watching these folks and to the degree that they set up conduits for transfer of money or identifying people who could join that does come back and hit u.s. interests. so it's very unnerving. >> you mentioned the somali community. we know that minneapolis is one of the largest concentrations of somalis in america. we also know that there have been a number of outreach programs launched locally on the federal level trying to reach out to the folks who lived there in minneapolis specifically. are these programs are they working at all, do we know? >> i don't know feoff f we have evidence. i was in the area with senator amy klobuchar this past year and talked to a number of people with her with the various outreach programs going on and particularly economic to empowerment programs trying to find ways to support -- get people in jobs get them on a track for being engaged in society and having a fruitful life here.
from best i could tell there was an awful lot of support for that. and we've had other cases where parents have raised concerns or family members about others in their community that they thought needed help. they were alienated. and that's what you hope. you hope the community comes together and identifies those people who may represent a problem. not to run them into jail but to try to find a place so they don't get captured by al shabab or isis or al qaeda recruiters which we know is going on in the minneapolis area. >> steve, i want to pivot fast and ask you about the situation we've been watching unfold in the mediterranean on top of the boat that sank carrying migrants sunday. right now there are at least two more boats in distress the italian premier says there are -- carrying roughly 400 people. is this out of the ordinary? >> we've had other mass migrations in the past but not like this. and there are reportedly half a million waiting trying to get out. the chaos and basically the meltdown in libya that's gone on
and the fact that war lords and isis groups and al qaeda groups we talk about isis a lot, but there are a lot of other groups and activities out there, militias that are creating incredible chaos throughout libya. so people are running to escape that and to try to find something because if they don't particularly their young men, are recruited into these groups that's what they're trying to escape. >> steve clemens always appreciate your insight. we'll keep our eye on that news conference at about 10:30 eastern. the b.p. oil spill, a wildfire in california and cuomo. it's been five years now since the worst environmental disaster in u.s. history. the b.p. oil spill in the gulf of mexico. the explosion on the deep water horizon oil rig killed 11 men and spewed oil into the gulf for 87 days. the environmental impact is still a major concern. oil tar balls continue to wash up on the show. the oyster harvest is nearly 25%
since the spill and wildlife from turtles to dolphins and birds have been affected. to date b.p. has spent more than $30 billion on claims cleanup and environmental studies. $13 billion more is still budgeted. to southern california now where a wildfire quickly tore through roughly a thousand acres, forcing the reef evacuation of home there is. officials say an unattended cooking fire started the blaze saturday and spread overnight. despite dry conditions cool temperatures helped fire crews contain the fire. new york governor andrew cuomo is heading to cuba today with a delegation of business owners and politicians. it's the first visit by an american governor since the u.s. eased i want issic relations. representatives from jetblue, chobani yogurt pfizer and mastercard are joining cuomo. and mexico says it's captured the leader of pa major drug cartel. hay sauce aguaio was wanted for a murder in el paso and he's
suspected of being involved in more than 20 killings. this follows the weekend arrest of the leader of the gulf cartel allegedly responsible for much of the violence in reynosa, a city just across the border from texas. the arrest sparked gun battles over the weekend. still ahead on "the rundown," the possible gop primary matchup between two men from the state state and the same stay. we'll talk to the people who have watched both of their careers from miami next. hurt, cooking all day... forget about it. tylenol was ok, but it was 6 pills a day. but aleve is just 2 pills all day. and now, i'm back! aleve. ♪ building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen.
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it is what it is. we'll all sort it out. look, this is -- i'm not a candidate and if i am a candidate this is a long journey and my -- one of my objectives would be to maintain the friendships i have of people that may be aspiring to the same thing. i think it's possible. >> there goes the neighborhood? friends at "up" took to miami to talk to voters and friends of the two florida politicians to see how things are going to far. >> reporter: we're in coral gables in front of my house. this is an interesting place because if you go a nile and a half that way, jeb bush live there is in coral gables and if you go due west about a mile and a half or two miles there's marco rubio's house in the same line of latitude. >> it's unlike anything we've ever seen before and a lot of people don't know exactly how to handle it. >> we have two good men. >> if we wanted to be fair we'd say that jeb bush is one of the best governors we ever had in the tradition of bob graham and ruben askew and leroy collins.
a person who wanted to be fair to marco rubio would say a semi meteoric rise, wasn't that many years ago he was a commissioner in the relatively small town of west miami. >> when my term expired in prim of '98, marco rubio was the one that was elected and sat in my seat. at that moment i thought he was entirely too young. he looked like he had just stepped out of high school. rubio proved me wrong and i am so happy and i will admit it everyday of my life. >> i was a democratic leader when marco was the speaker and jeb was the governor so i sort of woke up everyday and went to work to argue against their policies which were some of the most severe conservative policies in the country. although there may be a generational difference between them in age, there is absolutely no difference between them in policies. >> they're two totally different experiences.
marco rubio comes from west miami working class roots, working class family bush is a guy that was really entrenched in helping build in community from a business perspective. >> i've detected a lot more positive sentiment, especially from the older cuban-americans for jeb than there is for marco. there is the sense that marco should wait his turn. [ speaking spanish ] >> i personally think governors are going to have an advantage in this election because i think the american people want someone in the white house who has had experience as an executive running an organization. >> i don't know much about marco rubio, don't know much a little bit that i saw of him, a little radical, this situation with cuba, for instance is the best thing that can happen to the u.s. >> i am registered as a democrat but i always vote for the correct person and in this
coming election it's not democrat or republican it's rubio. >> yes you're going to see some of us go one way and some of us go the other way. the important thing for those of us that would like to see one of them become president is no matter who wins for us to come together at tend. >> i'm joined by "washington post" political reporter ed o'keefe back from new hampshire where he kept a close watch on the florida friendship. gooed to see you again, my friend. >> good to see you, craig. >> these comparisons are not going to go away obviously, ed. both men seem intent on keeping things cordial for now. how is that going to happen when we're starting to really get into the heat of primary season? >> i think we're already starting to see the friendship fray a little if you will you repeatedly hear marco rubio make these arguments that he's a candidate of the future, that yesterday is over and we have to look ahead. that's not only an attack on hillary clinton, that's also an attack on his good buddy, and i naught in quotes jeb bush. jeb bush meanwhile, in new hampshire on friday gives this speech where he talks about having executive experience and
how he thinks that a presidential candidate should have that as opposed to those who are senators. that's a knock not only on marco rubio but also rand paul and ted cruz. so they're making arguments against each other and we'll see how much they can get. you can see the pain in their facings, they realize what they have to do here for the nomination. they have to beat somebody they know quite well. that i will ear both south florida republicans so they both have a similar experience. they're both opposed to president obama's engagement for w cuba they're opposed to obamacare. there are differences in tone and policy when it comes to two key issues immigration and education reform. i think bush has been much more supportive of common core-like standards that have been implemented in states across the
country. rubio has gone out of his way to suggest he wasn't or isn't a supporter of it but some bush supporters and others will report that rubio backed policies similar when he was in florida state governments. so on those issues you'll see a difference of opinion but because they come from essentially the same neighborhood -- and i've driven that route a few times, it's literally about 12 minutes apart -- they have similar politics and it comes down to brand, to age, the type of experience and what kind of republican republicans are looking for. >> ed o'keefe with the "washington post." thank you, sir. >> take care craig. >> did you know that today is a holiday? did you know that? for pot smokers it is. i wasn't talking directly to you, either al. america's growing pot experiment. is it working? speaking of reaching new highs, check out these images of north korean leader kim jong-un at the top of his country's highest peak. state run television said kim
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in case you didn't know today is april 20, 40/or 4/20. this year the marijuana business is growing in the four states that have legalized its recreational use. in addition to selling the drug one company in seattle is providing pot tours for a behind-the-scenes look at the business. msnbc hitched a ride on one of those tours. >> let's go through the purple door. the idea for cannabis tourism first came from the fact that everyone has a friend who's been to amsterdam and i think we know they didn't go to amsterdam for bicycles and windmills, it had to do with cannabis tourism so
knowing the opportunity we have here on the west coast with legal cannabis and being able to promote it and have the infrastructure necessary to support tourist, that's a great idea. when you go on a kush tour we show you how glass pipes are made introduce you to the artists, visit cannabis testing facilities, grow operations. it's a very personal and familiar experience. >> the green light district right here. you see how it's the spinning ganga goddess right there. taking the cannabis industry and normalizing it opening up the doors to the public in a way that hadn't been bone before. you see that moment where their eyes get big, their jaw drops the, smile goes from ear to ear. >> put your nose in one of these. this is my favorite strain this is blue dream. >> the folks who come on our tours are not what you would expect. we don't have the 20-year-old stoners at all. they're couples, veterinarians, doctors, lawyers, people who want to learn more. something we've seen within the baby boomer generation is this
thirst for knowledge and new experience and that's who we see coming to explore cannabis in seattle. >> with the legalization movement and the preparation in building a strong tour company and a strong brand and providing a product or service that nobody's ever seen before has given us the opportunity to take it to the next level. >> the next level. let's bring in msnbc contributor and huffington post washington bureau chief ryan grimm. also the author of "this is your country on drugs." so 4/20 lots of jokes going on today. give me your overall assessment, though. it is america's great marijuana experiment working so far? >> it is and it's an organic holiday, so to speak, which makes it appropriate for the thing that it's celebrating. at the huffington post i first kind of investigated the roots of this term where did this number 4/20 come from?
back in 2009 i was reading over that original story that i wrote, the sea change in attitudes towards pot is evident justs in that story. the when i first found the former high school kids from the '70s who coined the term they wouldn't even talk on record. they would just give me their first names. today they have their own web site they're hawking commercial products they're the kind of mini celebrities in the pot community and they're completely out in the open. but even as recently as 2009 they were quite panicked about just being outed as high school stoners. and this is -- they're from northern california so you know, just imagine -- and just -- the poll numbers reflect that. support for legalization going from the high 30s into the 50s now. it's been quite a remarkable thing to watch over the last few years. >> let's talk numbers for a second here. as you know there was this
recent "wall street journal" article that basically said that legal pot sales in colorado have failed to meet the predictions of many of the supporters. state economists of the supporters. state economists revising their forecast saying pot sales would generate somewhere around $58.7 million in the fiscal year that's down from a $67 million estimate. talk to me about the economic reality so far. is recreational pot bringing in the tax revenue supporters had promised it would? >> well it's bringing in you know, some tax revenue. that's more than they were getting before and it's certainly saving the state a lot of money in terms of incarceration and enforcement, but i think, you know another thing that points to is that a lot of the reefer madness stuff we've been hearing for the last 75 years isn't actually true. it's not, you know pot is not necessarily the kind of drug that as soon as it's made legal, everybody's going to become a stoner and start smoking all day, you know people who
really, really wanted to be stoners before denver and colorado legalized marijuana, they were already stoners and smoking all day. so what this did is it kind of brought it out into the open it regulated it. there's definitely you know risks associated with legalization that you know children, you know could get their hands on it more easily than they could before but what this shows is this is not some type of addictive drug that's going to spread epidemic style throughout the community. >> ryan grimm, thank you, sir, appreciate that. happy 4/20 to you. >> happy 4/20 to you. are you ready for the returning of tebow? dumped by not one, not two, but three nfl teams, is expected to get yet another chance. we'll tell you where he's going to go next. you want me to pick just one? yeah, right. i say if it looks tasty, order it. because at red lobster's create your own seafood trio i can have it all. choose 3 of 9 dishes for just $15.99. like the creamy
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sheriff, his department of course has been in the center of questions surrounding the training of reserve deputy robert gates. he's the man who says that he mistook his gun for a taser when he shot and killed eric harris earlier this month. again, that news conference set to start any moment now. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at this news conference inside where it's about to start. gabe, first of all, what can we expect to hear from the sheriff at this point that we have not heard? >> reporter: hi craig, good morning. the sheriff is about to take the podium right now. i'm actually taking a look right now, as we take a look live i believe that's somebody from his office getting ready to introduce him. this will be his first public news conference. this will be his first public news conference since this started, really the only comments he's given publicly so far have been in a radio interview last week where he insisted robert gates was properly trained but that they
were still searching for records regarding his training. i'm going to toss this right to the podium right now and let's listen in. >> -- help us expand the criminal justice center which is something we're very glad to have. so i invite you to come out and cover that event later today, as well. so with that i'm going to turn it over to sheriff stanley glance. we have a very busy day ahead of us, so we're going to go until about 9:30. thank you. >> thank you, shannon, and let me welcome everybody. the last time i had a news conference that was this well attended is when i was chief of detectives at the tulsa police department and we had a businessman, roger wheeler, killed in tulsa. out at southern hills golf club and just this past year whitey bulger was convicted of that crime, along with others that
were convicted here in tulsa. but i'm glad to see everyone here and i want to thank you for coming. i want to recognize shannon for the job that he's done under these circumstances and under sheriff tim albin and the entire officers of the tulsa county sheriff's office. you know i had a public meeting on tuesday, april the 6th at the courthouse and no one came. we had two inspectors in here from khalea the commission on accreditation, they come in specifically to look at our policies and procedures and to see if we're meeting national standards. this is the seventh time they've come to tulsa and very rarely has the press ever covered the professionalism that occurs in this agency. and we have an incident where a life was taken, and that's the
business we're in life and deaths occur every day in law enforcement. and it affects everyone in this community, it affects the entire agency that it happens in and there's been a lot of things said about the sheriff's office that are untrue. and hopefully i'll be able to answer some of those questions today. first, i want to speak directly to the harris family. we are sorry eric was taken from you. for this i'm sorry that we all were involved and my sympathy goes out to that family. i think it's very important any time a life is lost in our community that we all need to stop and hesitate and say a prayer. i want to also talk a little bit
about the two deputies that were involved besides bob gates. through our administrative process, we will review what those officers did and we'll take some administrative action. i also want to tell you that this morning i got a call from jim finch. he is the s.a.c. special agent in charge of the state of oklahoma. he told me the fbi has completed their investigation and they found no wrongdoing at the sheriff's office. and, of course they look at civil rights violations. if you have any questions about that investigation, i would refer you to mr. finch or rich davis, who's a local supervisor for the fbi. i want you also know the deputies have been reassigned for their own safety. there's been some threats made against them and their families. you know they have a family and
kids, and i'm very concerned about their safety. they've been reassigned but they haven't been suspended, but we will take action on that once some of the court cases are resolved with mr. bates. this office reviews all of its policies on a monthly basis. >> do we have it back? let's take it back. >> -- we're trying to locate all of those, some of those are administrative in nature and we will provide those records as we find them. and with that i'd like to take a few questions. >> reporter: sheriff there's been a lot said about your relationship personal relationship, with robert bates. what do you have to say about that? what is the nature of your relationship?
>> well he -- my son had an accident when he was in high school my oldest son, and my insurance was cancelled on my car and i was referred to mr. bates at that time. he became my insurance agent and insured my vehicles and my home for a lot of years. i think that's probably been 25 years ago when i first met bob. >> reporter: sheriff, is it fair to say that your office did a poor job of keeping records regarding bates' training? >> yeah i'm not sure how to answer that. we keep records, and those are placed in his personnel file. i think he keeps his own personal records and he's provided a lot of them to the press. >> reporter: but was it a poor job on the part of your office to not have all the records? >> it could have been. last year we went to the legislature and got a law passed that allows us to destroy
records after five years, and so a lot of those older records were destroyed. >> reporter: for the record as far as you know were any of his training records falsified? >> no, sir, not that i'm aware of. and let me tell you that all of the policies and procedures in this office are signed by myself and reviewed by me. i can change a policy tomorrow if i want to but what i base all my policies and procedures are, the national standards. khalea was here three days after this event occurred. they came and looked at all of our policies and procedures and see they make the national standards. they should be issuing a report probably in the next 30 days and you're welcome to look at that. >> reporter: sheriff are you looking into whether or not it's possible that the records were falsified? >> i don't know how to answer that.
>> reporter: internal affairs investigation into that issue a couple of years ago? >> there was an investigation that occurred under sheriff edwards. >> reporter: and what was the outcome of that? >> i'm not sure. i believe that they found that there was no special treatment. >> reporter: robert bates? >> yes. >> reporter: how many documents are missing, sheriff? you said you guys are trying to -- do you have any ideas? >> no, i do not. no. >> reporter: also you regarded two other deputies that were seen on the video, you regarded that they were fearing for their own safety possibly they'll be reassigned -- >> they were reassigned right after this yes, ma'am. >> reporter: so the review that will happen you all are conducting that now and then will decide what will happen to them administratively? >> we're trying to make a decision on that. we have a court case that's evolving charging mr. bates with second-degree homicide.
they are key witnesses in that event. >> reporter: so nothing will happen to them until after that? >> i'm not sure if we'll go ahead and do an internal review or not. any time we have an incident we do an incident review of that incident and try and see if there's changes that we can make to improve this office. >> reporter: when you saw the deputies involved mr. harris' family, that's one of the things they keep bringing up again and again -- >> let me talk a little bit about mr. harris' brother. when we went to notify him and talk to him about his brother's death, it was recorded. and you have that information. a lot of this information's coming from a plaintiff's attorney that's sued me on several occasions, and he's doing that to try and better his cases, and i have a number of cases that he's filed against my office.
>> reporter: outside agency would be a good idea? >> the khalea commission on accreditation for law enforcement agencies -- yes, they are they come in and look at policies and procedures. the fbi has come in and looked for it. >> reporter: would it be a good idea for the osbi to come? >> i could ask the osbi in but again, he's not an outside guy, he's someone i have direct control and influence over so why would i ask him to come in? >> reporter: are you going to release the videotape from the dollar general parking lot? >> i don't know of a video -- >> reporter: no video from the dollar general? >> only video is what we've taken and we have released all of those. >> reporter: i know hindsight is 20/20, but given what you know now, should mr. bates have been out there today? >> yes, he should have been. >> reporter: why is it
necessary -- for him to be involved in the undercover sting? >> he wasn't there as part of the undercover sting, he was one of those, he was a reserve. i have reserve deputies on the s.o.t. team i have a two that are work for imsa which is the medical -- they run the ambulance here in town. they go out with us and they are there in case there is a incident like someone's injured, we can provide medical aid specifically. i have two other deputies that have been on there. one is one of my -- who was my attorney and good friend ruben davis. he served on the s.o.t. team. i know bob's age came up in this investigation, as well. ruben's 70 years ago old. ruben felt he no longer could provide the activities that were required to be on the s.o.t. team he moved to the -- he
became a hostage negotiator but now he's even resigned from that but he's still reserve deputy. >> reporter: since you brought up mr. davis, is mr. davis -- could you confirm that mr. davis purchased a tank for the sheriff's office? >> purchased a what? >> reporter: a tank. >> a what? i'm sorry. >> reporter: a tank for the sheriff's office. >> a tank mr. davis? >> reporter: that's correct. >> no, sir. >> reporter: he wasn't an intermediary that helped acquire that from the defense department? >> he may have been involved negotiating that he's an attorney and volunteered his time to do that. >> reporter: time out, are you talking about the m-rack? >> he was not involved in that. he was involved in a piece of equipment we had probably seven or eight years ago. >> reporter: what was that? >> service surplused -- it's a
personnel carrier. armored personnel carrier. >> reporter: could you explain how he was involved with that? >> he helped us on the legal side to make sure the contract was correct. >> reporter: can you talk about how common it is for public citizens to contribute financially? >> it's quite common. i have a lot of people that dedicate a lot of time and effort to this office and this community. and i'm not ashamed of that. and we follow the national standards. in fact, i was on the calea commission from 2000 to 2005 and i think that we'll be reviewing the national standards for reserve and age may be an element in that. we'll look at it with time to make decisions that are responsive. yes, sir? >> reporter: to be clear the attorney for eric harris's family says so many gaps in the record so far. how can you be so sure he was
properly trained? >> who? >> reporter: the attorney for eric harris's family said you referred to him earlier, he said the training records released so far do not prove bates was adequately trained. how can you be so sure? >> i know he has received a lot of training and that's documented and he has those documents. and i believe they were released by his lawyer. >> reporter: that's right, but the attorney for eric harris's family claims there's so many gaps in the documents and the fact your office is still searching for many of those records. he says the records don't really prove anything. what's your response to that? >> i just know that mr. bates has been to the range several times and is qualified, and that's documented. >> reporter: the gun he used in the incident -- >> is he qualified? >> reporter: to use that specific gun, at the range. >> something we're still looking
at, but that will be part of the administrative review. >> reporter: this phenomena was what led mr. bates to confuse a bright yellow taser for a small black handgun, a number of experts have said in a lot of ways this is junk science. do you still stand by this phenomena? >> i'm not an expert in that area, so i can't speak to it. i know that mr. bates is going to be tried for a homicide, and -- >> that is tulsa sheriff stanley glanz. he's actually been charged with manslaughter right now. he's talking about his reserve deputy robert bates, with whom he's had a relationship for roughly 25 years. at one point during that news conference we learned at one point mr. bates was his insurance agent. i want to bring in faith jenkins, host of "judge faith," we have not heard publicly from sheriff stanley glanz until just now, and perhaps we know why.
that was from the very beginning a bit of a train wreck. he started, faith, it seemed as if he started by vocally expressing some sort of angst about the fact the press hadn't really shown up at his department for other news conferences, and then he revealed the fbi, according to them they've completed their investigation already, they've cleared the department. we have not independently confirmed that we should note but it was a bizarre news conference. faith, did you learn anything from that? >> interesting he said the fbi investigated and cleared the department, craig, i assume he's talking about there in terms of bates being there, being at this undercover gun buying bust. and that was new information coming from the sheriff's office, but it's still an issue, because here you have a situation where a lot of the equipment that bates purchased, five cars apparently actually went directly to this task force that he was with that day for this undercover buying bust.
any time you have these officers, these reserve officers auxiliary officers volunteering their time usually it's not at this dangerous sting operation, so clearly there's a relationship here. clearly, bates has a financial interest in this task force. then of course he's there in this undercover bust when everything unfortunately everything goes very wrong for him. there's all these questions around -- it may not be a direct conflict of interest, but it's the appearance of impropriety and that's what the sheriff is not addressing. >> he said the two other deputies involved have been reassigned, they have not been charged with anything. some administrateive action he eluded to the fact once the court case presumably a civil case, goes through the system there in tulsa. it was also very interesting, faith, to hear him talk about precisely what's happened to these records. at one point he said because of
a law that he petitioned general assembly level, that these records may have been destroyed. we may never get some of these old training records. how big of a deal is that? >> well it's certainly significant for mr. bates, because now he's facing this criminal case and the issue is really, one of recklessness. would officers in a similar situation, would they have responded any differently, and now you have a case where you have a number of officers who were responding and trying to detain mr. harris but the only one that pulls out his taser, as far as we know the only one that fires a shot is the one officer who doesn't do this day in and day out. he's the reserve officer, and that's why his training is coming into question, because no other officers felt the need to use that kind of force at that time. so that's going to be a real question for him. even if he is certified to use a firearm, even if he is certified to use a taser, the question is
was he reasonable at the time he decided to pull out that taser and use it or was he reckless? clearly, he said it was an accident, i believe it was an accident. i don't believe it was anything intentional, but, however, the fact he did it at a time the other officers decided it wasn't necessary, that's going to be a real issue for him. >> quickly, faith, before i let you get out of here can you hear me okay? >> yes, i can hear you. >> the fact we have seen the reserve deputy robert bates, there's this interview friday on the "today" show he stands up and demonstrates how one could possibly confuse his taser with his weapon. how surprised were you, rather that he did an interview like that, when presumably he will sit in a witness box at some point? >> i was very surprised, because he's represented by counsel, and any time you are an accused, every statement you make whether it's in or outside of the court, whether you're talking to the press, those statements can and will be used against you.
so he essentially got up and demonstrated and gave a part of his testimony right there on the "today" show and i'm sure the prosecutors and the investigators watched that testimony, because he doesn't have to talk to the police now. he doesn't have to give anymore interviews. he's represented by counsel, but he stood up and answers questions from a reporter. that interview and those questions and answers can be used now going along the road in this criminal case. >> faith jenkins, thank you so much, always appreciate you. folks, we are continuing to watch this news conference. we'll pass along any newsworthy elements coming up. not only is she the front-runner looks like hillary clinton is the only runner for the democratic nomination. she's courting voters in new hampshire today. live free or die next.
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morning. democrat hillary clinton taking her campaign to new hampshire today, where republicans are already on an attack. joy reid has made her way to keene, new hampshire, where clinton will be this afternoon. joy, good morning to you. first of all, what can we expect to hear from hillary clinton in the granite state? >> reporter: well, good morning, craig. we can expect to hear pretty much what we did in iowa. the clinton campaign is doing same song, different location. they are taking this pre big launch tour here to keene, new hampshire. behind me, the whitney brothers
family owned manufacturing company, she'll talk to some folks here, she's going to do a round table, and then tomorrow she'll have another round table in concord at a community college, the reverse of what she did in iowa. the idea is to talk to local officials, local democratic officials, and also regular new
hampshireit es. >> joy reid following hillary clinton's campaign in new hampshire. i've never heard that term, new hampshireites? >> if you said it, we're going with it, joy reid. thank you so much. >> reporter: thanks, craig. chief spokeswoman, she's with the clinton campaign. good to see you. >> good to see you, too. good to be here.
>> i want to start with what joy was talking about, these round tables. so far since she's launched this campaign, all she's had is round tables, small, intimate conversations with voters. how exactly does an everyday american get one of those golden tickets to one of those round tables? >> well, for example, last week in iowa we went to kirkwood community college and the community college selected a group of people for hillary to talk to. >> you know what i'm getting at. >> here's the thing, we're trying to balance the idea of over the next few weeks we want to enable hillary to have these smaller conversations with people, where she has a lot of ideas about the challenges we face, a lot of policy ideas, but look, we're prepared for the attacks from the republicans. you saw on the "new york times" today a piece sort of rehashing -- >> i haven't read the book yet.
>> the only thing that's really new in that book is they briefed members of the senate foreign affairs committee. guess what, rand paul and marco rubio sit on the committee and rand paul has been touting this book for weeks. >> i'm not going down the book road. again, sounds like you're -- >> ready to have this conversation, and, look we expect this kind of conversation from republicans. >> different question than she's been asked before. >> senior spokesman for hillary for america, gotten good at this. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining me. we're learning new
information on this hour a developing story off the coast of northern africa. italy's prime minister says his nation is working with malta to rescue two new migrant boats in distress. we showed you this video off the top of the broadcast, another boat that ran aground off the greek island of rhodes earlier today. all of this happening after what's been described as one of the worst tragedies of its kind if not the worst. several hundreds of migrants feared dead after the boat capsized off the boat of libya. richard engel is on the southern italian coast in sicily. richard, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, craig. this is the port in sicily, and this is where the survivors from this tragedy that occurred over the weekend are supposed to come. most of them aren't here yet, they are on their way, we are told, but frankly, there haven't been very many survivors for a disaster of this scale. so far only a few dozen have been pulled from the water, along with a few dozen bodies. hundreds, however, are feared
dead and according to those survivors, and they have been speaking to officials in malta, they've been speaking to italian officials, this is what they say happened. a ship was, a fishing vessel made of wood, was badly overloaded, it was sent off from libya. the closest ship in the area, which in this case was a cargo ship, to see if it could respond to the distress signal and provide any kind of assistance. when the cargo ship vessel, the people onboard and there were hundreds of people on this ship
below deck. the people on the deck saw this approaching cargo vessel, thought they were being rescued, rushed to one side to make themselves visible, hoping this was their opportunity to be saved, and when they went to that one side of the ship, the ship capsized and according to maltese officials, because of the weight, all the people down below, as soon as that boat went over, it quickly went down, which could be a reason why they haven't been able to find many of the bodies, fearing that the ship and the bodies went right to the bottom of the mediterranean, in that area the mediterranean is incredibly deep. when you have so much motivation for people to leave, economic distress political turmoil and country that's collapsed into chaos, it is easy to see why so many people would want to leave and find the opportunity to leave. craig? >> nbc's richard engel for us
thank you. i want to bring in mia bloom. mia, we continue to hear from a lot of international leaders who are talking about dealing with these migrant ss. >> in search of a better live economic opportunities, a better life for their children so this isn't any different than what we see with illegal immigration anywhere in the world. this is consistent. >> take a look at the numbers that are out there. this is their website that tracks -- that displays folks, shows nearly 10 million people in syria and iraq alone, 400,000 in libya. how does this kind of displacement and chaos, how does it impact how isis and other terror organizations operate? >> well the terrorist organizations thrive in areas where governments are incapable
of ruling so it's in these ungovernable areas that terrorists are able to create almost the state within a state and that's what isis has done. it has been able to set itself up between mosul and parts because the government is unable to control those areas and the military is unable to control these areas, so this is the ideal safe haven avenue. the other thing is the terrorist groups tend to do their best when there's chaos and give appearance they are able to resolve the chaos and give people a better life which, of course, they don't, but that is the message they give and one of the reasons why they are able to attract recruits. >> closer to home authorities arrested four men in minneapolis, two others in san diego for allegedly supporting isis fighters. talk about the home grown threat right here and right now and the challenges combatting it. seems every few days there's a story like this. >> i mean there is and we saw
the man in columbus just a few days ago who was arrested, having been allegedly trained by isis and sent back. this case is very similar to a case that we saw a few months ago where a man was arrested in new york city at kennedy airport, he had gone with several of his friends on a greyhound bus from minneapolis to new york to join isis. so what we're seeing and i think the minneapolis pilot program that the president has created to counter violent extremism has been extremely successful. we are seeing people preempted, we are seeing the communities buy in as far as preventing any attacks in the united states. so although it does seem to be a lot because we're hearing about it, we're preventing a lot of things from happening in part because of the the work in minnesota. >> mia bloom, we'll leave it there, thank you. >> thank you very much. a live look right now in minneapolis, by the way, we are about to learn more about the
isis terror plot six arrests in minnesota and california. also in boston today, heightened security on this patriots day as the second marathon since the deadly bombing attack two years ago gets started. this just a day before jurors start hearing death penalty arguments in the trial of dzhokhar tsarnaev. will it be life or death? that's next on "the rundown".
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developing right now, this is the news conference in minneapolis, folks accused of plotting to support isis. an official tells nbc news the men were not suspected of plotting attacks inside the united states. again, let's listen in. >> -- the charges and many of the facts detailing the conspiracy. with me today is fbi special agent in charge rick thornton
who will provide information about the operation and the investigation that led to yesterday's arrests. each of those charged in the criminal complaint is presumed innocent. the charges i am about to explain are allegations. each of those charged in the criminal complaint participated in a criminal conspiracy over the last ten months. our offices have dedicated enormous resources during the past year to investigating a large group of friends and relatives who have been meeting with one simple goal in mind. as the complaint makes clear, this group is committed to joining isil by any means possible. the men charged today are part of that group. they have spent a great deal of time over the past year trying to get to syria to fight for isil. they have tried to leave the united states from our airport here in minnesota, from jfk
airport in new york by bus, by car, and by any means possible. as described in the complaint, some members of their group have succeeded, but many have been stopped by law enforcement and have been unable to travel to syria. the defendants are friends. they met regularly to plan their secreted trips to syria through a variety of means. these six defendants are part of a broader group that includes minnesotans, some of whom are already familiar to all of you. hamsa hamsaakmed was part of this group. they tried to get to syria by taking a greyhound bus to jfk airport last november. after being stopped and despite akmed's indictment these three defendants continued to try to
get to syria to join isil. yu yusef was also part of the group, as was his friend abdinor. yusef was stopped last may from planning to join isil from the minneapolis-st. paul airport. nur made it to syria, where today is an active recruiter for isil. these defendants along with akmed, yusef, nur, and others recruited each other, supported each other's efforts to get to syria, helped each other with funding, and worked exclusively and extensively to come up with the best travel arrangements. on multiple occasions, members of the group were stopped from traveling to syria. their plans were disrupted and the consequences of their actions were made clear to them. yet they continued.
guled, for example, was stopped multiple times from traveling. but what is remarkable about this case is that nothing stopped these defendants from pursuing their goal. they never stopped plotting another way to get to syria to join isil. they were not confused young men, they were not easily influenced. these are focused men who are intent on joining a terrorist organization by any means possible. people often ask who is doing the terror recruiting in minnesota and when will we catch the person responsible, but it is not that simple. in today's case the answer is that this group of friends is recruiting each other. they are engaged in what we describe as peer-to-peer recruiting. friend to friend brother to brother. but they did have extra help.
they had their friend abdi nur. because he made it to syria last year and knows different routes and has different contacts nur has become a de facto foreign fighter recruiter for those in minnesota. as explained in the complaint, he is in regular contact with his friends, advises them and serves as inspiration for those who want to replicate his success. to be clear, we have terror recruiting problem in minnesota. and this case demonstrates how difficult it is to put an end to recruiting here. parents and loved ones should know that there is not one master recruiter organizing in the somalia population locally. what this shows is the person radicalizing your son, your brother, your friend may not be a stranger. it may be their best friend
right here in town. and your brother, your son, your relative could be talking to abdi nur in syria, who's providing inspiration and ideas for how to get to syria. i applaud the parents and relatives trying to keep young men safe from this activity. but as this demonstrates it's difficult to do it on your own. i urge anyone who is concerned about their young son or brother to seek help in the community, reach out to a trusted friend a teacher, a professional counselor, or religious leader. ultimately, unless we stop it from happening, the planning and scheming that takes place among those committed to joining isil and to participating in isil's violent ideology leads either to fighting for terrorists in syria or to arrests here in minnesota.
the information we now have about peer-to-peer recruiting and the lengths that these conspirators will go in order to join isil was made clearer in recent months. one member of the conspiracy decided to change course. one friend in this group decided to leave and to cooperate with the fbi. that cooperating witness agreed to record meetings of the co-conspirators and some of the information gathered through these conversations is set forth in the complaint. the cooperating witness provides an inside view of the thinking of the conspirators and the depth of their commitment to join isil. these recordings also capture the critical role played by abdi nur in helping the conspirators with their efforts. frustrated by their inability to travel from minnesota, from new york, and elsewhere, the conspirators discussed obtaining false passports and flying to
syria through mexico. in the past few weeks, several of these defendants provided cash and photos of themselves to the cooperating witness to get fake passports so they could leave the united states. i have said many times that we need to break the cycle of terror recruiting in minnesota. these arrests bring us one step closer. because these six men and yusuf and ahmed before them were -- >> i think we have it back. do we have the news conference back up? if we get the news conference back, we'll go back to it. our msnbc chief legal correspondent, co-host of "the cycle" ari melber has been listening to the press conference there in minneapolis.
the charges specifically? >> two types of charges, conspiracy to and attempt to provide material support to a terrorist organization the same charge the justice department has used in all occasions of isis terrorists basically, what he said just now is we in minnesota have a terror recruiting problem. what he's referring to is what he now charged these people with attempting to go to syria or go to syria through other countries to join isis. the criminal complaint and press release from the justice department clarified, though these were not attempted attacks on u.s. soil. >> it also sounds like based on what we were just hearing there, that they had someone on the inside, that the fbi was able to get someone inside this cell for lack of a better word and according to the u.s. attorney have a fair amount of evidence. >> yeah they feel confident about that. they said this was a several-month-long investigation, that they've got
most of these individuals before leaving, so they are basically catching people in this community in minnesota before leaving. one person though according to the justice department did make it and is now basically on the battlefield, however wide it may be for isis as a recruiter over there. but they feel they are confident they got most of these individuals and what they are calling this conspiracy to support isis. >> and it's interesting, because maybe 15 minutes ago right here on this broadcast we were just talking to a professor that was sort of detailing what they are dealing with what they have been dealing with in minnesota for some time and to hear the u.s. attorney confirm there continues to be a recruiting problem sheds even more light on that. you follow all of these cases very closely. historically, when the government charges someone with charges like this what's their track record what's the government's track record? >> incredibly high over 95%, as is the case with most serious federal charges. in this case what you have is a
coordination between the u.s. attorney there, your front line federal prosecutor and what's called the national security division of the justice department, so you have that coordination typically you have all the support under surveillance law, the patriot act, anything that goes into the national security arena here is really the most robust investigative forces that they have. and a lot of these cases what they do, craig, and we saw this recently, just last month in brooklyn, in a similar case where you had an individual that the feds were monitoring seeing how far they went in an attempt to join isis and caught at the airport. here they are saying they caught these individuals in a conspiracy to support terrorism and what they mean by that is to be the support themselves to physically join or otherwise provide the resources to support isis. in this case what the feds are charging at this juncture is these folks wanted to go join and one did get away and make it to the battlefield. >> it sounds like again, according to what we just heard there, not only did they try and join, they tried to join
repeatedly, fake passports, according to the complaint trying to get out of mexico taking a greyhound bus to jfk to try to use the airport in minneapolis. they were hell bent on getting out. we should note the last gentleman at the podium was a representative from the fbi. these types of cases, ari, in terms of building the case how difficult of a exercise is that from a legal standpoint and law enforcement standpoint? >> difficult in the sense for this kind of charge you can't just show someone wanted to travel, right, or even travel illegally, go to countries they may not be allowed in. that itself isn't, obviously, terrorism, so what they need to string together is a documented interest in isis or some terror group, something beyond just speech or reading. plenty of americans might read about what isis is up to or watch a video. they need to show these defendants had some combination of that level of interest
commitment, frequent sort of associational activities and combined with that the travel and some way they can prove and these charges have to hold up in federal court, that that travel was pursuant to that interest in isis, that they wanted to join they were taking those steps. that's what conspiracy is. it's more than one person trying to achieve and it is not mere chatter, it is not mere aspirational interest. it is something beyond aspiration, some conduct. >> msnbc's new chief legal analyst, ari melber thank you so much. >> thanks, craig. a live look right now in boston, where the marathon is well under way, some 30,000 people are taking to the streets in bean town. when we come back a look at patriot day in boston.
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hi everyone i'm tamron hall, this is "news nation." developing news tulsa county sheriff stanley glanz just held a news conference defending the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect and said his department is investigating claims that robert bates's training records were falsified. much more of that and hear more from the sheriff in a few minutes. but i want to get you caught up on another story we are following. we began with the frantic search under way to find survivors after a migrant boat with hundreds feared dead. it is expected to be the mediterranean's deadliest migrant tragedy ever. right now, just 28 people have been rescued. the boat was traveling from libya, heading towards sicily when it