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two different plot lines in iran. >> good day to you, as we come on the air the first day of nuclear negotiations wrapping up. the comprehensive deal on iran's nuclear program. they have until the end of june to get it done. some problems already surfacing though. iran demanding sanctions be removed immediately. that would be even before they comply with the very terms of this proposed deal. the u.s. is saying that idea is a nonstarter. another complication, american warships now off the coast of yemen in an effort to stop iran's proxy war there. senior military officials telling nbc those warships are prepared to intercept a convoy of iranian ships they suspect are sending weapons to the houthi rebel forces in yemen. so far there's been no confrontation. we'll get into more of that this hour but first president obama making news speaking to chris matthews yesterday in that
exclusive interview about the prospects of a deal with iran. >> ultimately going to be up to the iranians to make sure that they -- that they come to the table, prepare to memorialize what has already been agreed to and details that have to be worked out. they could walk away over the next three months if we get a deal that world community can verify and trust, that's the best pass forward. >> joining us now peter welsh, democrat of vermont. how are you? >> good. >> thanks for joining us. looking at what the president just said on that potential deal, everyone knows there's going to be wrangling and negotiating throughout and that includes the public statements. do you see anything though in how different these public perceptions are from the different countries here about the deal concerning to you? >> well it's got to be verified. this has got to be -- not something that we trust iran this is not trust and verify, this is distrust and implement.
the president has got it right. these negotiations have to be memorialized where it's the print you and i can see to guarantee it's going to be a nonnuclear iran and we have the capacity for intrusive inspections and sanction authority. there's a lot of rhetoric now and a lot of provocative actions by iran now but at the end of the day it's going to be better for the world community if we do have a verifiable nuclear nonnuclear iran. >> right now though it seems like we're going in multiple directions at the same time around iran we're negotiating with them in switzerland and fighting against them in regards to yemen we're fighting with them against isis. is that just the way it goes for a complicated middle eastern nation? >> to some extent yes, the sunni shia divide is enormous and been intensified with what's going on in iraq and syria and all across
the middle east. iran obviously has a lot of adversity with many of the other arab nations including saudi arabia and emirates and qatar, it's an odd situation where literally iran is fighting isis and of course we are fighting isis as well. but we're not quote coordinating. it's an incredibly complicated stew and that's going to be the case in the middle east for a long time. the real challenge for us it's in our interest in my view in the interest of world piece that we have a nonnuclear iran. can we get that? that remains to be seen. i think you're seeing the president being pretty calm and cool headed about this, where he knows at the end of the day it's going to be up to iran. if they are not willing to follow through on the agreement with intrusive inspections that don't lead anything to doubt as to whether they are complying with very strict terms to be a nonnuclear iran there's not
going to be an agreement. >> congressman, shifting gears a little bit. we can't not ask about 2016. what are your thoughts on the campaign cycle as you would call it right now and are you comfortable with hillary clinton who will i guess represent your side of the aisle? >> there's two thing i would note number one hillary clinton i think her campaign is off to a good start. speaker tip understood you had to ask people for the vote and knock on the third step walkup and ask for a vote. she has gotten the tip o'neill axiom. it's not a cottage industry anymore, it's like a multinational corporation. at a certain point that's not going to relent and clinton
campaign will be ready for that. but you know at a certain point they have to give us an idea what they stand for and what they want to do other than beat up on hillary. >> congressman peter welsh, thank you so much, appreciate seeing you sir. >> let's bring in patricia murphy and political columnist for the daily beast. >> i wanted to start with you on this broiling interparty fight over trade the president spending a lot of political capital to push through the tpp, major trade agreement. he spoke to chris matthews last night and said elizabeth warren, who is against this deal, is wrong on trade. i had a chance earlier today on my web show to talk to dnc chair woman debbie wasserman shultz. let's listen to what she had to say. >> it's not as black and white as who's right and wrong. democrats are for fair trade.
i will tell you i'm a lot more confident we have barack obama negotiating a trade deal than when george w. bush was negotiating it. i have a lot more confidence with a democrat in the white house negotiating a fair trade deal but that being said, we do have to take a really close look at it which with some of the talks going on right now it appears we'll have an opportunity to do. >> you know, i thought this was a pretty interesting answer, seeming to lean towards supporting this deal that the president backs. but it's basically the same place that hillary clinton is in having not totally taken a side. is she going to be able to get away with not taking a side on this issue or eventually going to have to come out and say where she stands? >> i think she right now needs to not take a side on this issue. this is really -- this is exactly where her husband was when he was -- when he was going through the nafta negotiations. this is the type of agreement that has split the democratic party for decades. so he has been in this position
before. hillary clinton is not the president, she doesn't have to be pushing these types of things forward right now. she has no choice. she can't come out right now and tell everybody she thinks the president is wrong. she can't come out against business interest and say this is not the kind of deal i would negotiate but she also can't come out against the liberals and say i think you're wrong. i was stunned the president said not only is elizabeth wrong on trade but she is wrong on the facts. i thought that was an unusually personal rebuttal of elizabeth warren, particularly in this area where liberals are looking for a channel and found that in elizabeth warren. hillary clinton's job is to keep her options open and tell the liberals i want to be the champion for you. >> white house officials will say he said people who are critical had it wrong chris matthews interview i don't think he said elizabeth warren herself had the facts wrong but it would seem to overlap in the critique. the other thing to ask about hillary in news today from luke russert talking to john boehner
is about the timing of this long running benghazi investigation, series of investigations boehner now saying the administration could clean this up quicker if they and former secretary clinton were in a position to cooperate with the committee and turn over information we've been seeking but made it impossible about the facts with benghazi bottom line being it looks it could come out the middle of 2016. i thought the new yorker nailed this when they said it was a tragedy for republicans tragedy in search of a scandal, which i think is scandalous for those who want to make politics out of something serious. what do you think of the news that the republican party, and mitt romney making an argument about benghazi, wants the report to come out in the middle of 2016? >> i find it not surprising at all. if you listen to speeches in new hampshire, benghazi was a significant talking point that the republican presidential candidates were pushing in new hampshire for the weekend.
for ted cruz, it was one of the biggest applause lines and rand paul's as well. for this report to come out in 2016 in the middle of the presidential cycle, there are going to be no republicans complaining about that. trey gowdy is a very fast tedious investigator and he's hoping for too much. he wants too many details before he closes the investigation. he's not going to have any republicans complaining about how long it's taking him. >> the koch brothers are letting us know what they plan to do or starting to let us know. they've got a $900 million budget for 2016 but they say only a third of that will go for toward electoral politics. and they've narrowed their list of folks they want to support down to five, cruz, rand, rubio walker and jeb. that spans quite a wide swath
from the tea party to the mainstream, republican mainstream. i'm not sure if they know exactly where they want to go just yet. but patricia, in a multibillion dollar campaign, are we not reaching the point of diminishing returns where the amount of money you can raise and spend no longer has as much of an impact? there's only 24 hours of a day and only five or seven actual swing states, how much impact can this much more money injected have? >> i like the premise of the question, only $300 million and five candidates the craziest thing about the koch situation they are not the evenly game in town right now with the republican presidential candidates, there are multiple billionaires ready to dump multiple millions and dollars into multiple campaigns. when you talk about only limited 24 hours in a day. the biggest difference with this cycle in addition to how much money is what those super pacs are going to be doing. they are not just running tv
ads, they want to run data driven operations and boots on the ground and want to have parallel campaigns and some cases those campaigns will be bigger than anything the rnc is doing. we can't even almost comment on the money because there's no way to know how much they are going to spend and how different it's going to be from previous campaigns. >> all right patricia murphy thanks so much. we'll turn to breaking news here that msnbc has been following. we new details on the sky west flight forced to make an emergency landing in buffalo. the airline saying one passenger fell ill and passed out. they notified air traffic control of the possible loss of cabin pressure and requested to divert the flight out of an abundance of caution. that is different from the initial government reports that the flight had a rapid loss of pressure after a cabin door opened in flight. the airline saying that never happened. no oxygen masks were deployed and the ill passenger was treated and released. it was intended for bradley
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is going to make a stop in cuba on the way to the united states. when it comes to the u.s. the pope will make stops in new york and washington and philadelphia. staying on the cuba beat, we know the cuban missile crisis is long over but some say the message jfk sent then that we're waiting to act is similar to the message president obama is sending to iran. chris matthews asked the president about it in an exclusive interview. take a look at this. >> what signal are you sending as commander in chief to the iranians? >> we've been very straight forward to them. their ships are in international waters and there's a reason why we keep our ships in persian gulf region and that is to make sure we maintain freedom of navigation. and what we've said to them is that if there are weapons delivered to factions within
yemen that could threaten navigation that's a problem. and we're not sending him obscure messages, we send him direct messages about it. >> warships are in the gulf of aden. iran said they are there for anti-piracy patrols but the u.s. and gulf allies believe they are packed with weapons for houthi rebels in yemen. there are reports that attacks resumed this morning. the white house says those 12 u.s. vessels are officially in the region to make sure shipping lanes are kept open. our presence near the conflict is telling. retired navy commander chris harmer, now a naval analyst, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> is this really about shipping lanes and under what circumstances would the u.s. military forcibly board another ship and how would that work? >> well it's not really about shipping lanes everybody has got a cover story when they do military operations. our cover story here is the
united states is guaranteeing freedom of navigation operations or freedom of the seas, high seas commerce. the iranians' cover story, they are there to protect their shipping against piracy from the somali pirates. in reality both are there for a different reason. iranians are there because they want to send weapons to houthi allies and we're there because we want to keep an eye on iranians and prevent them from shipping those weapons to the yemenis. >> i imagine you're not entirely happy with us being there but let's look at the inverse or opposite side, can we afford to not be in this reasonable with our navy? >> we have to be there we're always there. the u.s. navy always has a certain level of presence in the red sea and gulf of aden and somali basin and arabian sea and persian gulf. it's a issue of where do we correlate those forces right now we're aggregating in the gulf of yemen to keep a close
watch on what the ships are doing. the u.s. navy does not intradikt iranian flagged vessels -- >> what is the role of the fact that the ships being potentially in international waters? >> we're always in international waters because that gives us the greatest freedom of maneuver. if we go inside territorial waters we have to cooperate or operate under the direction of whichever country we're talking about. because the straits from the red sea into the gulf of aden are a con strained waterway, we consider that an internationally waterway. there is a kernel of truth with the navigation issue in the sense of houthi rebels have taken over the yemeni coast line on the red sea. if they consolidate, they would be able to control access.
the straits are not quite as important as the strait of hormuz, still a significant waterwayer. all of the cargo shipping has to transit through that con strained waterway, there is a truth to the american navy story that we're there protecting freedom of navigation and shipping. >> we're not actually going to board these ships, are we? >> if i can tell you exactly what was going to happen, we would be millionaires and making money on wall street or something. >> nice of you to can you tell us in like that. >> you bet. so what i expect will happen is the same thing happening for 25 years, the united states navy and iranian navy had a series of gun battles that culminated with the united states navy shooting down an iranian airbus. at that point they took a serious look how to deconflict operations so we don't stumble into war. the united states and iranian
navy have a very bizarre but deep working relationship where we communicate through third parties and let each other know base he canally what we're doing. we don't coordinate activities directly but deconflict so we don't escalate tensions. >> an unsettling story the french arrested a man suspected of planning an attack a 24-year-old algerian national. the cops also responded and followed the blood trail to his car found full of weapons and list of potential targets. what should we make of this? >> well number one we should thank our lucky stars we got lucky and this idiot shot himself before he carried out a terrorist attack. federal law enforcement and mill trillion and protectors have to be right every time. more often than not we're looking for terrorists to make a mistake that we capitalize on. it goes to show we're
fundamentally in a asymmetric war fare situation. a lone wolf shooter an individual not formally affiliated with a terrorist organization still has the capacity to conduct a significant terrorist act. the only reason he wasn't able to pull this off was because he shot himself. >> so frightening, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> more gripping victim impact statements in the boston bombing trial, today the brother of the murdered police officer speaks to jurors. new research proves sexual assault stalts are not telling the whole story. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions. the innovations. all waiting to help us build something better. something more amazing. a safer, cleaner brighter future. at boeing, that's what building something better is all about. ♪ ♪
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ago, a bodega worker her nen dez admitted to killing him, a confession his attorneys are arguing that he fabricated. >> today the penalty phase of the boston marathon bombing trial. jurors on second day trying to decide whether dzhokhar tsarnaev should now be sentenced to life or death. nbc's ron mott is back with us from boston. where does this stand right now? >> reporter: day two, they just wrapped here just moments ago. seven witnesses called today. the first witness up, this was a brother of sean collier, gunned down that thursday after the marathon two years ago, he and their stepfather testified what the loss meant to the family. it's been two years and while time does heal some wounds, they'll never forget losing sean the way they did so suddenly. his boss also, the gentleman who hired him on the m.i.t. force
said he was an exem particularry police officer. he understand what service mept in the community. but we also saw video today, folks who watched this closely and been reading the coverage in the local papers knew about this moment in a holding cell in the courthouse here in july of 2013, dzhokhar tsarnaev is in the cell by himself and climbs up on a bench. we should warn you if we're going to show this it's offensive to some people climbed into the bench and looked into the camera and flashed what period to be a v or signal for victory and turned his hand around and extended his middle finger. this has been reported in the last 24 hours in the boston area. everyone has got a reaction to it. the reactions that matter most are the 12 people who will decide whether he goes to life in prison in colorado or to his death. but certainly was jarring to folks in the courtroom and folks in the community here as well. >> interesting to know about that evidence. ron mott thank you. we now want to turn to a topic
that we here at "the cycle" we think is very important. it is sexual assault awareness month. it's on us campaign shining a light on this epidemic of sexual assault on college campuses and beyond. more than 1,000 students there signed to a pledge that includes videos made by student athletes. >> to recognize that if someone doesn't or can't consent, it's rape. to tell our friends if they are doing something wrong. >> it's on us to do something. >> never blame the victim. >> stand up to those who tell us it's not our business. >> to be more than a bystander. >> it's on us all of us -- >> to stop sexual assault. >> we took the pledge and you can too. >> sexual assault on and off campus are technically on the decline nationwide and like most violent crimes but a new report is showing it's not the whole story and many aren't reported at all in the first place. here to discuss this with us the
report's editor, stephanie let's start with the idea when you have an awareness month like this it can hopefully do something constructive which is teach people more about sexual assault and the way this works in communities than they might realize, what do you think is important for people to know or conquer the misconceptions about the epidemic. >> if you counter an epidemic or a problem, you have to understand where it comes from and how it's moving. there's good news here, farce we can tell the rate of sexual assault and domestic violence murders of spouses and co-habiting partners have been declining since 1970s, but unfortunately, there are still some very, very deep pockets of problems. we asked some of the researchers who worked with the council of contemporary families to go through all of these conflicting claims about how prevalent these are. they found credible evidence
that somewhere between 7 and 10% of under graduate women are forcibly raped and 14 to 26% are victims of another kind of sexual assault. even more disturbing though is we have all of this atepgs to these really serious problems on the campuses and i'm glad to see the response we're beginning to get. there's a group of women ignored, women not a four-year colleges in more disadvantaged communities who actually have higher rates of inner partner violence. >> that's such an important point as we stay focused on the epidemic on college campuses and recognizing that populations outside of four-year institutions are even greater risk of such an important point you bring to light here. what accounts for that difference? >> well, part of it is justice stress chronic economic stress leads to acting out. it leads to examples of hyper
masculinity and means there's a more chaotic -- less social sposhl systems in those areas. in addition some of these areas tend to hold onto the double standard longer than the changes that are going on in the rest of society. we found the researchers looking at this found that these young women were less likely to expect support even from their friends and family if they were raped or beaten. this is a tremendous problem because that sort of thing if you don't get help for it has long term consequences that affects people's unplanned pregnancies and sometimes leads a woman to make a wrong choice while i'll pick a partner that will protect me and the guy that protects her is the most likely to control her. these are important issues and under studied them. >> certainly after the uva people are more focused than ever on false reports of rape. how often do women falsely report rape? >> well, i don't -- we can't
answer that but most of the charges do seem to be justified. there are these ambiguous ones where -- where did we really consent or too drunk to consent but researchers counted those out when they were counting up. i think it's extremely important to protect people from false accusations of rape and as you know we have a bed racial history of that in the united states. but i think it's also important that we teach men what those young men in your video were talking about, that you're not just taking advantage of a woman if she is unable to consent. you actually are raping her even if you haven't used force. >> speak to that a little more. there are men out there that don't realize they are also a part of the problem but they are. there's an important distinction between being a predator and being an opportunist. help explain the distinction and why is that so important for men to understand. >> it's important because if you
end up demonizing people about this, they are not going to listen to change their behavior. if you get guys who really don't understand and still believe in an old double standard if she wouldn't be drinking here or dancing sexy or didn't want it, and then she gets incompass tate he doesn't think of himself as a rapist. maybe the best way is to explain this is not how you treat a person incapacitated. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. >> next up we have something more fun, tour'e this is a segment on the science behind what it means to be cool.
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about cool, it's going to be led by me. >> okay whatever. >> something you're born with or not and i was. >> whatever helps you sleep at night, tour'e. >> most of us buy things as an attempt to acquire cool. we don't nearly buy things we like in a vacuum but things we think will boost our desired status among people we care about. that's advanced by a fascinating new book, cool, how the brain's hidden quest for cool shapes our world. which presents a quote new understanding of why we consume how cool consumption emerged the prime driver of the global economy and how cool consumer shapes our world on the emerging science of neuroeconomics, very interesting book and i'm honored to welcome philosophy professor steven the co-author. welcome, sir. >> good to be here. >> your theory talking about when we buy something, we're not just an individual purchasing a
thing in a vacuum but buying something that we understand that's an impact on our social status. explain that a little bit more. >> absolutely, so when we started about a decade ago doing some kind of simple experiments looking to see how brain responded to cool products. the areas in our brain that akty vat are the central parts of our brain and underlie our ability to live in a social world to interact with others and it's actually part of our brain we think of as a social calculator keeping track of how others are thinking about us and how we think others are thinking about us. what's so amazing about products, they actually tap into this and play a really vital role in telling other people who we are in our social life. >> that's a great point. if there's one thing ari has taught me sometimes being rebellious is the coolest way to be and that's something that you talk about -- ari is always rebelling against what's cool.
are those two different sets of people or just depend on the product? >> so what's so interesting is that there's kind of two sort of instincts that underlie our consumption. one is the traditional what we call the social instinct that makes us want to get -- if your friend has a bmw 3, maybe you'll get a bmw 4 to outdo them. then there's the rebel instinct if our friend has this let's rebel against their values and maybe i'll buy a preyus and it going to be a statement that i dislike what they stand for. and this really began to integrate into the 50s and change the dynamics away from opposition consumption. >> i've been on a quest in the past several weeks to get rid of as much stuff as i possibly can, to buy a lot less stuff which both i found has been good for my brain but also better for the world on this earth day.
so i'm interested in your thoughts. is this consumerism that you're talking about on the way it feeds into how we feel about our status, is it ultimately a good thing for us and is it inevitable? i can imagine a world where the status is based on maybe how much leisure time we have? >> exactly, one of the misunderstanding about consumer consumerism, it feeds into our frenzy to buy more and more. it is real much more flexible. what we're doing with our products telling other people who we are, wanting to join groups based on shared values one of the things has been happening the new hip consumerism is to show how we're committed to certain kinds of things like the climate to environmental justice and other kinds of value, fair trade, for example. consumerism doesn't make us have to get more and more stuff. we can change how we buy things,
kinds of values that we want to show and through so many different ways. >> what are some companies that have mastered the art of selling cool? >> well i think probably the best example is apple. apple is really followed the trajectory of different ways of kind of conceiving of cool. in the '80s, kind of iconic '84 ad was about rebelling against ibm, the droning conformity and then in the '90s when we think cool began to change to become more integrated along the lines of communicating values about knowledge. they changed to the campaign about think different. so cool really went from being about rebel onto being more now about being unconventional and innovative. i think capital followed tra trajectory and why they are one of the most value bl in the world today. >> apple maintained that sense of cool going to the biggest company in the world.
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it's people who are beautiful both inside and out. as the woman who is named this year's most beautiful woman put it, the people i find most beautiful are the ones who aren't trying. 50-year-old oscar winner sandra bullock -- >> i didn't know that. >> has been named 2015's most beautiful woman and here's my favorite part of all of it. her reaction was quote that's ridiculous. joining me is "people's" editor -- she probably snort d after that. >> she laughed, she was pretty surprised. >> i love her. i think she's great and she is gorgeous and stunning but in a very relatable way. she talked about how being a mom makes her feel beautiful. >> she said her most beautiful role to date is being a mom. she knew her purpose in life. that's what she likes to do. she doesn't get kind of concerns with the other things.
she used to worry about a ton of stuff and now she's a mother all she's focused on, am i being the best mother? >> kids have a way of making you focus on the important things in life. >> it's so true. of all of the issues you have had with most beautiful this is my favorite one, you can't help but just love sandra bullock. she is absolutely stunning 50 years old. i can't believe that. >> people are surprised to hear that. she doesn't look it at all. >> what i love most about her and don't know her on a personal level, i wish i did. >> thanks for clarifying that. >> when we're doing the iran segment, anyone -- >> you can just tell she is kind and genuine and has a heart of gold. that's what i think people move about you guys picking her this year. she's beautiful both on outside and also on the inside. >> that's what we look for every year. there are a ton of beautiful aesthetically pleasing people in hollywood.
we're putting people on who are doing good living life in a beautiful way and really beautiful on the inside. >> tour'e, anyone that you don't know that is on pt list you want to ask about? >> i would love to know imam and sisly tyson. you can sort of run like the ford models catalog and here's our 100 most beautiful people. you have spanned the ages or generations and she is 50 something and helen mirin and c sixt icel iceltyson is 90 something. >> a lot are older women, julia roberts has been on the cover four times michelle phifer -- >> i think she is the most beautiful of all time. >> yeah, she's stunning.
>> we have women cicely is the oldest person to be featured in most beautiful ever. she does not look 91. >> it's important to give nontraditional choices and give confidence to women. >> they feel even more beautiful as they age and that's nice for our readers to hear. >> it's a great issue and it sells more than the least beautiful people -- >> we decided not to do that one anymore. >> we know all of them. we do not know them, that's the thing, you never know. >> matthew mcconaughey makes the list why. >> we have people doing good in addition to being beautiful. he has the just keep living foundation, looks to empower youth to go into schools. they work with 2,000 students across 24 different programs and team up with other programs in the world but it's about helping people make good choices and helping students make good choices and putting them on the right track. >> one last question does he
help that he thinks of himself as so spir it ewell does that make him prettier? >> yes it does. >> i think the majority of readers readers are women. why do women want to look at pictures of beautiful women and talk about wow she's so beautiful. what is behind that? >> i think it's fascinating. i think it's more than just looking at the photo. it's hearing about what their beauty regime is. i look at someone who's 50 years old and i want to know what they're doing to look that good and you want to emulate what they're doing. >> when you're surprised, like sandra bullock, it's like they must know that they're that beautiful. >> something you have is you have some little stories from these amazing women of beauty attempts gone bad. which i thought was really fun, too. we've all had that train wreck of a haircut. >> and all of these stars know exactly what they're doing and they never messed up. sandra bullock once said she went on the red carpet and the
strap came off and exposed half of herself. wardrobe malfunction. and jennifer lopez talked about when she first started using self-tanner, it was a pretty bad experience, so she leaves it to the experts. >> you have a number of lists here. you also have a hot right now list. so who are kind of the people -- i know laverne cox is on there. >> first time we have a transgender in the world's most beautiful issue. we have taraji henson on there. she talks about how she's a bold beauty and it's all about good genes. >> who's the youngest person? >> we have an 18-year-old zoe deutsche who's on there. i think 18 is probably the youngest. >> is that a lot of pressure on an 18-year-old person to be in this sort of thing? >> i think they're probably pretty psyched to be included. >> yeah you're psyched. but it's like, everybody's looking at you and judging you, and then put you on this pedestal. >> she's ready for it. >> one of the categories i also liked was the without a drop of
makeup. >> we've been doing this for nine years and our readers go absolutely crazy for it. we have miranda lambert. this is truly not a drop of makeup. everyone says are they wearing bb cream, a little bit of mascara. absolutely nothing. good lighting. >> but the women aren't self-conscious? they're fine? >> there are people who feel comfortable doing this. they wouldn't agree if they didn't want to. >> thank you so much. so much fun. president obama just wrapped up a tour and a speech in the florida everglades marking earth day today. the president warned about the dangers of climate change and also announced new efforts to preserve our national parks and public lands. stay with us. at 10:00 eastern tonight for our special, it's called "just eat it." it's about what each of us can do to end a true epidemic in this country something i am just learning about. 40% of all of the food produced in the u.s. ends up in the trash. it's astonishing. find out what you can do to help. that's at msnbc.com, and be sure to tune in 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously?
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one of the best parts of presidential primaries is debating new ideas candidates pushing each other and their parties to figure out what they stand for. as americans are seeing more and more evidence that our criminal justice system and policing system is far from perfect there might be a campaign debate over real reform. rand paul says he wants to lead it. >> i see an america where criminal justice is applied equally, and any law that disproportionately incarcerates people of color is repealed. >> that's a significant call there, and that's from a conservative southern republican, and it's not just campaign season rhetoric.
in the senate paul introduced bipartisan bills to change the war on drugs reduce harsh prison terms for non-violent offenders and reduce job discrimination against people who have paid their debt to society. and he's invoked his tea party credentials to argue that these changes would not only countergovernment overreach, but they would address unacceptable systemic racial discrimination. this campaign season could actually help, he could help advance criminal justice reform as a source of political competition on the right, or as a crossover political issue. he may find competition from other republicans, take ohio governor john kasich, who's testing the presidential waters. he says that his reduction of harsh prison terms in the war on drugs in his state both saved millions of dollars and reduced the revolving door to prisons. >> i am pretty emotional about this bill. i think that what we have done literally will save thousands of
lives. >> that's the substance. but that approach also worked for the gop. kasich was re-elected. a much higher share than most national republicans. there are many reasons, including a rebounding economy there. but it does suggest there's no partisan lock on the so-called black vote especially when republicans tried putting policy first. the last republican presidential nominee failed to tackle these issues at all and president obama's justice department has been leading the very first revisions to the war on drugs in decades, including reducing racial disparities in sentencing. there are also signs hillary clinton wants to continue that legacy. she was the primary sponsor of legislation to restore voting rights to some offenders who served their time an issue senator paul later embraced when he joined the senate. and that's not all. another candidate jim webb spent his time in the senate also advocateing a justice reform
package. >> it's draining billions of dollars from our economy. it's destroying notions of neighborhood and family, and hundreds if not thousands of communities. >> so what we're looking at is a lot of potential reformers here and that's in an early field. it doesn't include other reformers who may get in the race, like martin o'malley. for the first time in a general election in a generation, we could have a race where instead of every candidate blindly saying they just want to be tough on crime, we could have a real debate about how to fight crime and invest in troubled communities, break the revolving doors to prison, and treat drug abuse as a health problem to be solved, not a license for mass endless incarceration. and that would be some politics to look forward to. that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. baltimore protesters prepare to take to the streets again tonight over the death of freddie gray. a high seas standoff continues between the u.s. and iranian
ships off the coast of yemen. and ben affleck addresses the controversy over his slave-owning ancestor. but first, president obama goes to the front lines of climate change. it is wednesday, april 22nd. earth day. and this is "now." president obama makes an earth day visit to the everglades, aiming to turn up the political heat on confronting climate change. by visiting the ecosystem known as the river of grass, the president is drawing attention to an area rich in beauty and in biological diversity, but also a potent example of the risks posed by climate change. the everglades' 1.5 million acres are poised between marsh and ocean, fresh water and salt water, a delicate balance leaving both tourism and drinking water under threat from rising sea levels. threats the president addressed just moments ago. >> climate change is threatening this treasure and the communities that depend on