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we ship all over the country. we're located in a place on the west side of colorado springs. and it's fairly calm. >> lucas, i wish you calmer days and better functioning machines, and no more blue screens of death. thank you for your time. thank you for telling your story. >> you're very welcome. thank you, guys. >> that is all for now. "the ed show" is coming your way next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." live from washington, d.c. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. let's get to work. >> tonight, protesters demand justice. >> it's an opportunity for us to do something publicly to say no more. >> it's a burden of violence on the police department. >> we have not arrived at this place overnight. >> they demand answers and so do i. >> later, drone strike fallout. >> we're going to review what
happened. we're going to identify the lessons that can be learned. >> we can make sure that nothing like this ever happens again. >> plus washington's funniest night. >> i usually start these with a few self-deprecating jokes. >> i must be so hard to write jokes about a town that already is one. >> i may bring up obama. >> i'm the best president in the game! >> and jindal doubles down. >> louisiana governor bobby jindal has been pressing ahead with a religious freedom bill. >> i'm always in favor of defending religious liberty. >> we begin tonight with breaking news from baltimore. just minutes ago, baltimore police held a news conference about the investigation into the death of 25-year-old freddie gray. >> we have ramped up a task force of more than 30-plus investigators from various disciplines in this agency. dozens of interviews have been conducted. many more remain.
a step by step meticulous investigation has taken place. >> gray was critically injured after his arrest on april 12th. protesters want answers. two men were arrested during protests on thursday. the mainly peaceful demonstrations are expected to continue tonight. demonstrators say they are demanding justice and change. >> black men are dying at the hands of white officers. period. and it's becoming so daily and repetitious that it's becoming alarming. >> my heart is broken at how the system is just horrible. it's a racist system. seems to me. we need to do something. i have no idea what else to do. so i'm here. >> it's now very public. so it's an opportunity for us to do something publicly to say no more. >> governor larry hogan has ordered state troopers to the city to help with the swelling crowd of demonstrators. earlier today, baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings blake spoke for the residents of her city.
>> our community is very clear. they demand answers and so do i. i still want to know why the policies and the procedures for transport were not followed. i still want to know why none of the officers called for immediate medical assistance. despite mr. gray's apparent pleas. the one thing we all know is that because of this incident a mother has to bury her child. >> there's still no answers about how exactly freddie gray suffered the fray tall spinal cord injury while in police custody. six officer have been suspended. that includes the three initial officers on bicycles the driver of the transport van and two other officers. nbc's kirk gregory has more. >> reporter: they gather in churches. >> we come to call on him who is in charge of this whole universe. and ask him that he would bless
the city of baltimore in a very critical hour. >> reporter: and city hall in boil pressing for answers. following the death of freddie gray. the 25-year-old died sunday. one week after suffering a severe spinal injury while in police custody. as protests continue the governor of maryland is sending a team of 32 state troopers to help with crowd control. promising to push for legislation for police body cameras. >> i think having all the -- having the real evidence of exactly what happened and having everything videotaped is a step in the right direction. >> reporter: the department of justice has launched an investigation into what happened. while the baltimore police department continues its own. >> our officers our task force are interviewing witnesses to the event, and when they're finding out things they're going back and re-interviewing witnesses at the same time. and that just takes time.
>> reporter: peace and resolution that may only come when the investigations are complete. >> governor hogan has asked the medical examiner's office to expedite gray's autopsy report. both the justice department and separately the police department are still investigating the incident. the cause for legislation for police body cameras are increasing. a prayer vigil for the city of baltimore, the state of maryland, and the family of freddie gray was held on thursday. >> we will be here to speak truth to the powers of this city that have the resources, but lack the will to move baltimore from two cities separate and unequal, to one city in which all have the opportunity to grow and flourish. >> gray will be laid to rest on monday. joining me now is paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst. also the professor of african-american studies at tufts university. and dr. james peterson msnbc contributor and director of africana studies at lehigh
university. mr. henderson, let me turn to you first. the one thing baltimore police have not addressed is why they chased freddie gray to begin with. how will this impact the investigation? >> we heard from the attorney from the police union, which talked about citing case law that allows them to engage a suspect. really here's the problem. it's united states v. jones, which talks about being able to engage an unprovoked suspect in a high crime area. but here's the problem with that. one, that speaks to reasonable suspicion to detain and not probable cause to arrest. and in this case we have an arrest. so it's going to be very important to understand that if they did have a knife, when they did have a knife, that that was enough to arrest him, because knives aren't necessarily enough to arrest an individual per se.
people are demanding for justice, people are demanding change. but they can't ask for any of those things until we get more information. and the other thing that i just want to point out very quickly is who defines a high-crime area? because in a densely populated city like baltimore, or chicago, or new york or los angeles, the entire city is considering a high crime area, if you're just basing it on police reports where crimes have been committed. so really what we need is more information and that's one of the reasons that people are so frustrated in this situation, because we're just not getting information, from police reports, from autopsies, from any of the officials that are engaged in the investigation to the public. >> all critical matters to be sure. dr. joseph the guardian is reporting one arresting officer's alleged pattern of violence. we contacted the officer for a response. representatives have not returned our call. does this story matter in this case? does it make a difference?
does it shade it in any way? >> absolutely. i think one of the biggest things we're seeing here is mass surveillance leads to mass arrest leads to mass incarceration leads to mass violence and brutality and all these strings of killings that we're seeing of black women and men all throughout the country. the fact that this officer has a history, potentially, of physical brutality against citizens should be noted. but i think the larger framework right here why so many people are protesting and we've seen these black lives matter protests all across the country, is the fact that we have a criminal justice system that is not working for african-americans. the president, the white house task force had 66 recommendations. those were all well and good and i've read that report. but they don't go far enough in terms of to stop surveillance of these so-called high crime areas. which is really becoming -- there's a police tourism industry right here turning our neighborhoods into hunting
grounds, where on the notion of high crime, they're able to arrest incarcerate, brutalize and at times execute african-americans. >> that's pretty dismal and distressing to be sure. dr. peterson the baltimore police union says they are concerned about the protests' tone. is this the right consideration to have in the midst of the extraordinary catastrophe and chaos we see going on there? >> absolutely not. all baltimore municipal officials should be focused on figuring out the ways in which to get their police forces to conduct themselves in a way that doesn't end up in the ending or the murder of black people. in fact, police departments across this nation need to be taking that serious account. i take issue with folks who talk about protesters being peaceful when the issue for protesters is that law enforcement is murdering people. if we're concerned about violence in our communities, we've got to direct it at the source of some of that violence. as my colleagues on the panel just talked about, unfortunately
this is too widespread right now. one of the things that's interesting to think about here, doc, the law enforcement in baltimore is trying to say that maybe something happened in the vehicle. but joy reid on this network and other folks are starting to talk about the possibility of the actual fatal injury occurring prior to him being placed in the vehicle. and what we have to think about is what happened the actual takedown? was there some sort of cervical vertebra fracture that led to the paralysis? i've been speaking to people on the ground there and medical professionals who say that sometimes when a law enforcement person puts a knee in the back or a knee on the neck like we saw in the eric harris video, that can cause a cervical vertebra fracture where if you throw someone in the vehicle after that the bone fragments with then sever the spine. so we may need to learn more about how they took the person down. and what force was used there to figure out what's going on here. and we have to keep our eyes on the prize in a sense, because the reality is we've seen way too many of these and figuring
out exactly what happened here will help us to better adjust these things going forward. >> no question about it. attorney henderson, is it an irony involved here? this is the last day of service for the exiting attorney general eric holder who gave his goodbye speech today. is there some great irony? we're still dealing with this even as eric holder is exiting and loretta lynch is coming in. >> i don't look at it as irony because the foundation that mr. holder has laid for us by trying to establish an example, a model for local law enforcement to follow with his 21st century policing, is exactly being addressed in this situation here. and one of the things that the attorney general has done was tour the country and talk with local jurisdictions about what models they should be following. those that addressed reducing racial profiling and eliminating bias in local policing. and so i don't think that loretta lynch, and i'm grateful
that she has finally been confirmed, when she comes in is going to change that agenda. what i think is going to happen is that we will see a continuation of that model being spread around the rest of the country, specifically in baltimore as these independent investigations are going on, because again and again, we're seeing local law enforcement be challenged with outside, independent review from state agencies and federal agencies and it's very clear, at least from the federal level, what they expect of local law enforcement to address the situations that keep coming up again and again and involve interactions that end up in homicide with african-american men and law enforcement. that just has to stop. and hopefully this is the conversation that moves this nation in that direction again with many of the other incidents that we've seen over the past few months and years. >> no question about that. dr. joseph what's your reaction to the fact that there are more
calls for the governor to get further involved? >> i think that the governor can get further involved. it's a republican governor there in maryland. i think one of the biggest things we need is policy right here. there's too many interactions between the police and community members. that has to do with the fact that police are incentivized through the war on drugs. through burn doj grants and other mechanisms to have this kind of interaction, to pump up their own stats. and the trail of violence that they're leaving behind it really specifically targets poor african-american communities. those of us who are middle upper middle class have access. we get targeted via racial profiling when we're in predominantly white settings usually. but predominantly african-american communities, these communities and neighborhoods have become hunting grounds. and in african-americans right now, 28 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes than
they were in 1982 the second year of the reagan administration. latinos, 22 times more likely and whites eight times more likely. so the war on drugs has become a gateway to mass racial oppression. so freddie gray, eric harris walter scott, all these victims are examples of a criminal justice system run amuck. the president of the united states, people have been calling on him before his term ends to sign an executive order ordering criminal justice review of the byrne grant that goes to all these state and local governments and it incentivizes black and brown women and men getting arrested instead of rehabilitation, instead of getting people back in the jail and back in the community, so we can have thriving neighborhoods and a thriving country with taxpayers, good citizens fathers, mothers, husbands and wives. instead of that we're
incentivizing local police to use excessive force and brutality and at times it's leading to the death of african-american men and women. >> how about that doctor. peterson, in light of what dr. joseph just indicated here. he used twice the phrase "hunting ground," which means that these people are vulnerable targets of state authority run amuck. do you think that the six officers who have been suspended should receive a harsher punishment? >> we have to figure out exactly what happened. i'm less a fan of trying to persecute the individual officers and more interested in the systemic changes that are required here. dr. joseph is right. when you look at the conflation that we have, and the fact that it's biassing the communities that are poor, the consequences of which are devastating in those communities. con some of it is about
understanding that it's broader than the individual cases. not enough of us are talking about raqia boyd. not enough of us are talking about natasha mckinney, who died under awful circumstances under police custody. we have to capture all the things that are actually going on to get the day to to understand how to best address it going forward. >> that's right. if all black lives don't matter, no black lives matter so we have to take into account issues of gender and certainly issues of community and class as they figure out who we think our worthy victims whose plights and predicaments are to be addressed. thank you so much for your time tonight. coming up adam sandler's new movie sparks outrage over its cultural insensitivity towards native americans. we'll have the details ahead. and later, louisiana's religious freedom law gets a big boost of support from its governor.
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the same film today. this is the argument netflix would like to use for adam sandler's new controversial film. a group of native american actors walked off the set of "the ridiculous six" on wednesday. they call it the portrayal of native american people insulting. >> you have one female character who was also one of the main characters goes by the name of beaver's breath. and another character by wears no bra. >> we need to take issue when they degrade our elders our people. >> there's a lot of traditions we hold sacred. a lot of traditions we don't want put out there in hollywood. >> netflix responded by underscoring the film's use of irony. a spokesperson says it's a broad satire of western movies and the stereotypes they popularize. joining me now is the author
wok the show. what's your response to this controversy? do you think this is something that hey, it's a matter of satire or is this something serious that people should take into consideration and not simply political correctness? >> thank you, professor. before even addressing the idiot whisperer adam sandler or his latest silly movie "the ridiculous six" i think it's very important as a native person to command and thank and show some gratitude and love to those brave actors and actresses who said that we are going to put principle above racial ridicule for native people. that's not easy. natives in hollywood seem to encounter a certain level of antipathy historically. it's particularly ugly against native women. so for these actors to say we're
willing to put principle over profit, and not take this role that's a huge step. and on behalf of my 8-year-old son, my 18-year-old nephew who i raise, native people across the country, i thank those very much. regarding whether or not there's a place for satire, there's absolutely an appropriate place for satire. but "blazing saddles" is an amazing example. there has to be some substance under that. i don't want to run on too long but "blazing saddles" talked about a black sheriff who came into town and all the white people left. it kind of predicted and informed us about white flight. with this particular adam sandler movie, there's no substance underneath it. all it is is racial insult. >> right. so you think that the context has to be put in place. that people have to understand the substance of engagement with an idea you have to lampoon and parry the idea.
you have to be clear about what it is, and clear that you're distant from it so that we are in on the joke as opposed to an object of the joke. >> absolutely, professor. it's so important, not only that we question and critique the subject matter because we have to be very careful about that. but we also have to question the people who are making the subject matter the people who are the directors, and the people who are financing these particular deals. if it's a well-moneyed and privileged white man that's lampooning and making fun of a woman, particularly a woman of color, i think that's something that in legal terms would merit strict scrutiny. with this, i can't see of any effective or critical use of a lady smoking a peace pipe while urinating. i can't see what the political or artistic merit of that particular image is. >> sure. you think netflix is handling the issue correctly? are they sensitive enough to the
background issues and are they responding in an appropriate fashion? >> no, not at all. netflix, they're interested with content. they want to make more content. it's a money game. and i understand that very well. and the only way that we can speak as native people and for people -- whether it be african-americans or native americans who have this relationship with the film industry that only allows us to be the subject of material and not -- excuse me, the on the of the material and not the subject, where we can't create our own content, the only way we can speak like wise is with our pocketbooks because netflix does not seem to be responding to our indignation, or the statement of so many people across the country, that yes, indeed this is offensive. every single one of us finds this offensive. you don't have to ask any further. so maybe you should reconsider your approach netflix. >> all right. as usual, very sharp.
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welcome back to "the ed show." louisiana governor bobby jindal wants to let you know he's taking a stand on same-sex marriage. the governor made clear he's supporting louisiana's new marriage and conscious act. this legislation puts other states' religious freedom laws to shame. it could open the way for discrimination of gay and lesbian americans. the criticism hasn't fazed jindal a bit. he wrote, "in indiana and arkansas, large corporations recently joined left wing
activists to bully elected officials into backing away from strong protections for religious liberty. it was disappointing to see conservative leaders so hastily retreat on legislation that would simply allow for an individual or business to claim a right to free exercise of religion in a court of law. jindal went on to say "i have a clear message for any corporation that contemplates bullying our state. save your breath." jindal was responding to a number of companies who have already warned the governor not to sign the bill. ibm wrote a letter to jindal voicing strong opposition to the legislation. saying "a bill that legally protects discrimination based on same-sex marriage status will create a hostile environment for our current and prospective employees." jindal insists the law does not provide a license to discriminate. however, msnbc.com reports the legislation says the state can't take adverse action against someone for opposing same-sex
marriage for religious reasons. it's possible the state couldn't punish a state worker who refuses to process paperwork on a name change following a gay marriage in another state. or a police officer who didn't want to police a same-sex wedding ceremony. this law provides those who want to discriminate protection from state laws. the bill is expected to come up for a vote within the next few weeks. joining me now is our rapid response panel, a daily columnist for the daily beast. and john fugelsang. how long until jindal regrets writing that op-ed that he penned for "the new york times"? >> well it might not happen until he leaves office replaced by the much more moral and christian david vitter in the governor's mansion. i have to say he's wrong about a lot of things. let's clear it up one by one. one, he's wrong about christianity. bobby jindal is to christianity
what christ was to bigotry and defending bp after the oil spill. it's not so much that he's a bigot, he's banking on bigots opening up their pocketbooks for his future failed presidential run. there's no part of the new testament you can use, and what's more, a when he talks about these left-leaning groups that are bullying them into not being allowed to bully gay people, he's talking about young republicans. 60% of millennial republicans favor gay marriage. bobby jindal is having a desperate play. it's going to be a pleasure watching them die off. this is him making his big public play to be the latest elf to jump in the big overcrowded clown car. >> so, dean if the law passes how bad will the pushback be? will it be substantial? >> i hope it would be substantial. i just want to say honestly how i feel about this. it's the equivalent of george
wallace saying segregation today, tomorrow, and forever. that's exactly how i view it. it's the last gasp of a man. i will give him the benefit of the doubt about bigotry. he said we want to impose no go loans and shari'a law. this law goes so far, it says any action a person takes, any action because they're objecting to a gay couple is a defense by this law. meaning you could potentially physically assault someone. you might say that's ridiculous but if you read the statute, it's that broad. it defends you for anything you do to show that you have a moral conviction against gay marriage. it's a horrible law. and just one quick thing. in his article in the op-ed today, he said in our nation he left out iman on purpose. it plays to his conservative
base and he's dis despicable. >> he would use certain rights to deny him service because of the color of his skin. >> ironic. >> i use a different word than ironic. you're a bit more charitable than me. so again, religious freedom was used to prop up jim crow in his state for many years. >> so let's quote from that classic op-ed that was put in print today, john. jindal wrote in his op-ed, why shouldn't any individual or business have the right to cite in a court proceeding religious liberty as a reason for not participating in a same-sex marriage ceremony that violates a sincerely held religious belief? doesn't that open the way for the discrimination that he claims is not in the offing should this bill be passed? >> sure but i think that he should be held to a higher standard. you want to say that your religious beliefs allow you to
discriminate? this whole notion of what kind of an anti-christian bully would keep me from being an anti-gay bully. i'll say fine go with it but you better show me in your holy book where it says you get to do this. because as i said before there's nothing out of the words of christ that justify it. you've got the book of leviticus and that's it and we all know bobby jindal wears shirts of two different fibers. he doesn't respect leviticus that much. i don't know why the liberal media has failed to jump on him over it. >> could the lsu tigers force him to change his mind? >> the lack of any super bowls ever coming to louisiana again. >> i would hope so. and left wing advocates that bobby jindal talks about include ibm, which is not a left wing advocate, but a major corporation, which he hyperlinked in his article today to show how much he's being pressured by big corporations. i hope we'll see the ncaa nfl,
major league baseball, to stand unified like with indiana to make them change this law. there's no place for this in 2015 in the united states of america. >> what about oil companies? what about these other businesses that should be involved in the kind of boycotting of this state until such services are rendered to people equally? >> considering that bobby jindal jumps exactly how high and how long as an oil company tells him to, let's not forget he was the guy defending bp while they were befouling the gulf. it's a very good point and i think dean is exactly right on this. capitalism is the unsung hero in the battle for lgbt equality. as soon as our businesses realize that gay folks represented an emerging market of consumers, you started seeing ads. now you can't go to a pride parade without seeing budweiser floats. >> hollywood is big down in new orleans as well. >> certainly. film movies there in new orleans all the time. >> occasionally there are conventions in the french quarter. >> and bobby jindal has a state which has an unemployment rate
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welcome back to "the ed show." reportsers, politicos and celebrities are flocking to washington for the nerd prom. the annual white house correspondents dinner is tomorrow night, and the spotlight is on this year's house, "snl" star cecily strong. msnbc's ronan farrow sat down with her to preview the big event. >> reporter: since the 1940s the white house correspondents dinner has featured hosts from bob hope to stephen colbert. >> he believes the same thing wednesday that he believed on monday, no matter what happened tuesday. >> yeah. i was -- i remembered when that was live and just being blown away and just thinking he's so amaze and so brave and look what comedy can do. >> events can change. this man's beliefs never will. >> cecily strong will only be the fourth female comedian to step behind that podium. >> doesn't feel like a huge deal to me as a nice testament to
kind of where everything stands right now, and i think a lot of that has to do with tina and amy being out is there so much. it's very accepted. it's nice that it doesn't feel like a big heavy thing for me. >> so when we talk about funny presidents. >> mm-hmm. >> let's talk about some of the potential next presidents. >> oh, sure. >> okay. give me your thoughts on ted cruz. very funny president? or unfunny president? >> unfunny. >> rand paul? >> that would be funny, maybe. yeah, that's a funny president. he's got that goofy little silly dad who is so endearing. >> marco rubio, funny president? >> oh, no not yet. but he could surprise me. >> okay. >> yeah. hillary clinton, would she make a funny president? >> she would die to make a funny president, but i don't know that she can be. >> does she have it in her? >> she wants to. she's going to try. >> she'll rock the mom jokes. >> she will keep trying and one of these days one of them is going to land. >> i'm joined again by dean
obadiah of "the daily beast" and sirius xm most john fueling sang and by a contributor to "essence" magazine. what do you make of the correspondents' association pick to host this year? >> well, i think it's a little bit surprising just because cecily strong doesn't have a background in stand-up comedy. we were talking about that earlier but it's really exciting to see a woman hosting, especially at a moment that we might have a woman who is president of the united states in the future. so i just think it's a moment of progress for women, and it's proof again that women can be funny. i mean, a lot of times there are click pieces that say women can't be funny or feminists aren't funny and i think and hope that cecily can prove that that's just a lie. >> sure. john, is it surprising there haven't been more female hosts to you? >> no. >> end of conversation. >> well, this is america we're talking about here, and, i mean you know is it surprising that women get paid $77 on the
dollar? i'm surprised that there isn't more outrage among the press corps over this. i'm surprised the press corps has been embarrassed only two women have done it since miss boozeler in the clinton's early years. i want to be shocked by sexism but, no i'm not. it's a sad commentary yadda, yadda, yadda. there's tons of funny women out there. the kind of people who say women aren't funny are usually men who didn't have the guts to take to an open mike stage themselves. >> no doubt about that. do you think cecily strong will focus her jokes on female politicians more than the male hosts have done in the past? >> she will work with her writing team and come up with the best jokes and strategy. they will find out what members of the press will be there. apparently none of the named republican candidates running for president will be in the room. i'm sure she will make fun of them. ultimately the star is president obama. i've never seen a president be this good of a comedian. a couple months ago i had the
opportunity to meet the president, i'm not bragging, oh, yeah yeah. i said no one issed a goosed a you, and he said i know. he's funny all the time. >> he's great. >> hard to follow the president but everyone is supportive of whoever. >> is ted drugs, hillary clinton, do they have a severance humor? >> won't be funny deliberately. >> obama is the funniest president since jfk and not fun in that they's the non-first buffoon president. ted cruz is the abraham lincoln of sarah palin. he's extremely funny. >> right. what do you think the hot topics will be at this year's dinner? >> i just think 2016 will be the hot topic. if she's is smart about it, she will make fun, like everyone is saying, about the 2016 candidates because i really think there's a lot there, marco rubio reaching over for the little bottle of water and
that's classic comedy and unintentionally funny but hopefully she targets the people that maybe deserve it a little more than others. >> right. john, do you think he'll take a shot, that is the president, at ed schultz over the trade agreement? >> no i don't. i think he'll be too busy taking shots at elizabeth warren and all the unions that supported him over the trade agreement but we'll see. you know, i'm still waiting for my nafta prize in the mail so we'll see what tpp can do for you. >> dean, do you think there's topics off limits that they won't approach? >> i mean there's always a discussion about the line in comedy. there really is no line. if you do it with a smile and good nature you can get away with it. let's be honest. last year really good jokes by president obama and the right wing people went crazy over it and i wrote about it that certain people politically will not laugh at a joke if they don't agree with it on the left or right, to be honest but generally on right they get real upset about it so the line is not real. it's moved by subjectivity. >> right. a couple things.
first of all works will be the biggest nerd at the nerd prom and then secondly when obama did that little comic bit during the state of the union when he said yeah because i won twice and clowned them. do you think we'll have a reprisal of some of that stuff? >> i hope so. he's always good when he's off script. looking very much forward to madeleine albright and the actress who plays the secretary of state of state tea leoni because that's great to have an actress. >> so at the end of the day do you think cecily strong is going to be very very funny or kind of funny? >> i think she's going -- i think she will be very good. don't forget she's not a stand-up, but it will be the strength of her writers and she will experience writing staff with "saturday night live," worked there for eight years. great people there. they will make sure this is good and tested and i have no doubt that the room will be cheering for her and want her to succeed and i think will go well. >> all right. dean obadiah, john fueling sang
and zerlina. thanks for joining us. alex witt will anchor live coverage of the correspondents dinner tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. that's "the ed show". "politics nation" with the reverend doctor professor al sharpton starts right now. >> thank you, dr. professor dyson. today the final day in office for one of the most consequential attorneys in american history. eric holder today saying good-bye to the justice department. >> it's been a long t