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away. it's tuesday, april 28th, and this is "now." just after 24 hours after clashes began, spiraling into chaos, there are troops on the streets of baltimore. by the end of today, some 2,000 national guardsmen, 400 state troopers, and nearly 400 out of state law enforcement will all be deployed around the city aiming to protect the peace after a night of rioting and looting that left sections of the city smoldering. this afternoon, a large crowd amassed on the streets alongside police. hours ago, baltimore police acknowledged that it is a peaceful gathering and they hope it remains so. >> that crowd is peaceful and that's what we're used to seeing in baltimore. a group of people that come together peacefully to express their concern, to voice their frustrations and to do so in a peaceful manner and we hope that's what we continue to see. >> tensions remain high. today the baltimore orioles announced they'll play their
game against the chicago white sox at camden yards closed to the public. overnight curfew is in place, and a state of emergency has been declared after clashes that erupted into violence left at least 20 police officers injured, six seriously. for an already challenged city the numbers from yesterday are particularly difficult. 144 vehicles burned 15 structural fires more than 230 arrests. at a midday news conference governor larry hogan said no resource is being spared to prevent a repeat of last night. >> we're going to bring whatever resources are necessary. whatever assets are necessary. as much manpower is necessary to let the citizens of baltimore know that their neighborhoods are going to be safe. we're not going to have another repeat of what happened last night. a significant and a half of the
city's desire. president obama said constructive elements in the community need to be part of the story. >> one burning building will be looped on television over and over and over again, and the thousands of demonstrators who did it the right way i think have been lost in the discussion. >> the ongoing tensions followed the funeral for freddie gray the 25-year-old man who die of a spinal injury sustain after being taken into police custody. mayor stephanie rawlings blake and the police commissioner will offer the latest briefing coming up at 5:00 p.m. eastern. joining me now is msnbc's national correspondent joy reid. i know that you've spent part of the day at the empowerment sanctuary. how are the youngest in the community, those who are aware of what's happening, how are they reacting today? >> well alex we were as you said at the empowerment temple
which is pastor jamal brown's church on the west side of the city, which opened its doors, something they wouldn't normally be doing so they could take in parents and children all with elementary school all the way up to high school school who had nowhere to go today. and essentially when they allowed people to get up and speak, they had sort of a session in the early part of the day after they fed everyone breakfast and they allowed just anyone to come up to the microphone and speak. and what we heard was a lot of young people who had a very -- i don't want to say pessimistic, but sort of fatalistic view. one young man who looked to be maybe about 18 years old, he called the freddie gray killing just sort of business as usual and he worried that a year from now, no one will even remember freddie gray's name. a cupouple of the young men referenced trayvon martin, and they talked about the issues with police seeing their friends pulled over by police or arrested for what they say is no reason. so a lot have a very pessimistic view. we also have a lot of people taking a dim view of the media,
of us, the way the city is being covered, and people ignoring the positive things that were happening like at empowerment temple. donating food, taking kids in, and allowing them a place to go on a day like today. and a fairly dim view of some of the things the mayor has said the idea of calling young people in the streets thugs, not going over well with a lot of the young people who got up to speak and a lot of the young ministers at that church. the folks who got up this morning said their underlying cause is seen as just. >> thanks for the update. i want to go now to nbc's gabe gutierrez, who is outside the cvs that was the subject of a lot of coverage yesterday. gabe, what can you tell me about the protests that are ongoing and planned for this evening? >> hi there. good afternoon. as you can see behind me several hundred people have gathered here throughout the day. they've been peaceful protests so far. but behind me you can see
there's been a police line mostly state police. no major incidents thus far. there have been just a handful of water bottles thrown at police officers. but nothing major. but we are next to that cvs that was burned and looted yesterday. you can see it right over here. and let's get the street here. just a few minutes ago, firefighters had left because they were called here. there was another small fire here on top of the cvs. collapsed just a bit, the air conditioner, and there was nothing serious. they poured some water in it and moved on. but this crowd here continues to gather. i'm joined by two of baltimore residents that have been very concerned about what's going on here. robert, and what is your name? >> galamba. >> and why are you guys out here this afternoon? >> i'm out here this afternoon because i want to see change and i do want justice for freddie gray but i think
that -- i really want the people to know that the youth aren't just, like savages. more than anything, this is deeper than just anger. this is pain. they're showing them throwing rocks at the police officers. but some of them have been crying while this is happening and saying we're tired of this. with the looting and rioting, they feel like they have a sense of empowerment because they feel like their voices are being heard. >> reporter: something we've heard over and over again is that the people that have been demonstrating regarding freddie gray, that the violence that happened yesterday was not tied to that. those were other people inciting violence. >> absolutely. that violence yesterday was people acting out of frustration, acting out of anger. it was not the people who are on the ground here in the community all of the time working to make this area better. i own a house two blocks down. i love this neighborhood. i used to come to this cvs and subway stop. so my heart is hurting for all the people here because there's just so much pain.
>> what do you want to see happen tonight? there will be a curfew tonight. what do you think will happen? >> wow, i just hope that it's not a repeat from yesterday. i don't know if a curfew is necessarily going to change anything. i just know i don't want a repeat from yesterday. i don't know, man. it's amazing because everybody's focus on the riot but today there were thousands of people from the community cleaning the community up. but that's not really getting any coverage. all we see is the burned down cvs and cars that were on fire but it's actually people here that have been protesting peacefully. >> and earlier on msnbc, we did see some people some volunteers right out here and they were cleaning out the cvs. very good to see that. again, ma'am, what do you hope
happens tonight? what would your message be to anybody watching this? >> well what i hope tonight is that we continue with peaceful protests. follow the rules. you know, fight with intelligence. not emotion as one of the speakers said earlier. and that we continue to fight with our intelligence. you go out and vote. you volunteer in your neighborhoods. you give back. not just project your anger in a violent way, but do it intelligently instead. >> thank you for talking to us. we really appreciate it, you guys. we are here outside the cvs that was burned and looted. several hundred people have gathered here throughout the day. it has been peaceful. >> pastor scott, let me ask you, in terms of the crowd yesterday and the crowd today just in the images that we've been seeing this afternoon it looks like
maybe a slightly older crowd, a more multi-racial crowd. what have you been seeing and what can you tell us about the folks who are demanding change today? >> i'm able to speak to the folks demanding change yesterday. i stood with the nation of islam and reverend brown and minister carlos muhammad and we stood as a human chain, in between -- we were maced yesterday. we stood in between a crowd of people who have been broken and hurt behind the police line was a burning cvs. behind us was young people and old people who were throwing rocks and calling names. like my son was killed by the police. we need jobs. we we're talking about poor
housing, poor schools, and jobs. we have 100% vacant and boarded up houses. we have a community of hurting people. >> let me follow up on that, though. one of the reasons why people are -- the epithets have been thrown around and it has not been characterized as an uprising at least last night, was because of the violence and the looting. do you think that's going to be a part of protests going forward? >> well it's not an issue of violence. that's a symptom of deeper problems. we want to focus on the looting or violence. you're talking about a community since 2012 we have had five black men in this city to die at the hands of the baltimore city police department and no one has went to jail. that's the greater issue. in 2012 we had anthony anderson. in 2013 we had tyrone west. then in 2014 we had a young man
by the name of shawn dean who was shot to death by the baltimore city police. and this evening we stand here on behalf of freddie gray jr. so we're talking about a community of hurting people. >> let me move to you in term of the police response. you can see a change in tone in language between yesterday's statement from the police when the violence first began, and even today, protests are clearly a lot more peaceful. the police seem to be constantly calibrating their response here. i wonder if you think the measure is being taken right now, the national guard, the curfew, the closing of schools. >> let me give that to neal. >> okay.
well you know i think that the tone has really been consistent among the police. i think they have been rather reserved. the way they're supposed to be. and this is what we expect of them. today we had many more, as we refer to boots on the ground. we need these resources to be available, to be staged properly for the plans to be in place in case something does happen. but i just want to comment on what reverend scott said. is that this is an uprising of people people people, yesterday our school children looking for a platform to be heard. many times we make decisions about their future and what's happening to them. we're always telling them what to do, but we don't hear from them as to what their concerns are. our young people are catching the brunt of a lot of what's going on with police and the relationships, or lack of positive relationships between community and police. there are systemic issues here that have been around for
decades upon decades that have been unresolved. and i'm hoping that this time, and not because of the violence that you're seeing not because of the looting that you're seeing, but because of the protests of the people no longer sitting down on this, because of the protests that we will get to the root of the systemic issues in our criminal justice system and the disparity issues that we have within our criminal justice system. there are many police in this city that want to see that. they don't want to be viewed as adversaries, but unfortunately, there are few within the police department, maybe a little more than a few, that don't get it don't understand their position of service and what the responsibility is to the community and the citizens within the community. >> i think for people that have followed the trail of police brutality that has characterized some of the actions of the
baltimore pd that understand the dynamics at play, whether you're talking about rough rides, whether you're talking about settlements where police officers don't have to admit wrong doing, that have followed the dynamics of everything that's going on in the city of baltimore. it is frustrating to see folks take to looting and violence precisely because it distracts from the systemic failures at hand. for those that are concerned about true real reform these protests have become a painful distraction from a very very important issue. and that i guess is the question, do you they dynamic is changing in terms of the violence. >> the problem is on september 27th in 2012 and since then this police commissioner and i have had a conversation almost every day about police engagement and implementing the community police engagement plan
that he implemented in oakland. he didn't do it here. so that's a little disheartening. i'm hiv positive. in december of 2014 i went on a strike. i didn't take any medication for 80 days. and begged him literally on my knees before this city most people love this, to implement this plan and he did, and a few weeks later we lose this young man's life at the age of 25. what has not been broadcasted and communicated well, is that while we were at the funeral of freddie gray, this police commissioner put out in the press that we had the gangs prepared to strike the police department. we're connected to our gangs here. i met and talked with the gangs and other folks communicated only to find out it was a farce. it was a lie. it wasn't true. it was a rumor by this commissioner through the police department. and then this morning we wake
up, well before that we spoke with one of the colonels within the police department. he said hey we're more concerned about the high schoolers getting out, going to the mall where the hub is out. so when these kids get off the bus -- >> i've got to ask neal about that. because that's a fairly strong allegation, reverend scott, that the police were fabricating this notion of a credible threat. neal what is your experience with that? you have experience as maryland police officer. >> well and these threats do come about from time to time. i don't know what the source of it is. and don't get me wrong, i'm not questioning the commissioner. i would like to know where the source is. what is the actual source for that. i must say that what i saw last night, and i was out here early yesterday, i was out here late last night beyond midnight and what i saw when our clergy came to the street when our community leaders came to the streets, i also saw the gangs
come to the street supporting them arm in arm. bloods and crypts together with ministers. them together is something that is completely out of the norm. so i'm not questioning the source. i'm not questioning the commissioner. but i would like to know personally what the source of that information is. i see something completely different. >> there are certainly a lot of questions at this hour. we have to take a break. neal franklin and reverend scott, thank you both for your time. we'll have more after the break. boys? stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. just one reason volkswagen is the #1 selling ta el car brand in america.
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street from the cvs, the librarian kept 30 people safe while stores were looted and police cars were torched right outside her window. she joins me now. can you tell me when you first knew you were in danger and what you did in that moment? >> well we saw the group coming down from the mall which is about ten blocks away from the library. when we saw them we already had a plan in place to lock the doors and keep the customers who are inside safe. at that time of the day, just about 2:45 we had young people in the library as well as adults, some families so we decided to lock the door and we saw then coming down the street close to the library. and just made sure everybody was calm and safe and let them know that it was an emergency situation and we were locking the doors to keep them safe and the staff safe as well. >> and how did the people in the library react as the violence and looting escalated?
>> they were i guess, grateful that we opened the door to them and, you know told them they could stay in. nobody wanted to leave out there in all that chaos that was going on. >> the media has received a lot of criticism about focusing on the negative. i guess there are members of the community who are heroes like you who have been doing positive things in the face of serious challenges. what else would you want our audience and the country to know about what's happening on the ground in your town in baltimore? >> i think on our town, i mean this morning, in fact with the library being open we were able to be a beacon of light in that neighborhood. we had community leaders coming in and people cleaning up the area cleaning up the area where the cvs was looted getting the community back in order, and we as one of the 21 libraries,
decided to open up the branch so that people could come in. our students didn't go to school today, so it was a place where they could come in, feel safe use our wi-fi, use our computers, and be involved with the activities that we had already planned for today. so i think that people need to realize that it's a community, that we're open. we want as a library to show people that this is a place where you can come in and have fun and enjoy. but also be known that it's a safe place. >> all baltimore public libraries remain open today. thanks for your time. >> thank you. coming up today president obama condemned the eruption of violence in baltimore, but said the underlying problems between police and their communities are not new. we'll look at how the white house and local leaders are addressing those issues just ahead.
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we will continue to follow the ongoing unrest in baltimore and keep you updated on that story, but in the meantime, today marked an historic day at the supreme court where the nine justices appeared deeply divided over the issue of same-sex marriage. there are two questions before the court. the first whether states can refuse to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples. the second whether states could refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. both questions were debated today in oral arguments. the response played out largely along ideological lines. the four liberal justices voiced support for a constitutional right to gay marriage. the four conservative justices expressed concern about overturning century of precedent. the swing vote will likely fall to justice anthony kennedy, who appeared to show support for advancing the cause of equality but at the same time expressed trepidation about the pace of change. >> a word that keeps coming back to me in this case is millennia plus time. this definition has been with us
for millennia. and it's very difficult for the court to say oh well we know better. >> joining me now is the founder of the it gets better project, dan savage and chad griffin, president of the human rights campaign. chad let me start with you, because i think we broadly acknowledged that national attitudes around same-sex marriage have changed dramatically. what do you think about his concern that the definition of marriage has not changed for millennia, up until this millennium? >> that was one quote of many over those couple of hours. and the definition of marriage was certainly talked about and it was also talked about the fact that in 1967, in many states in this country, interracial marriage was banned so. the definition of marriage at that time did not allow for interracial marriages. there was also historically a deferential treatment that women had to have to men in marriage.
so over time that definition has, in fact changed. but what has not changed is what that means to two loving couples, and the rights and protections that are afforded by marriage to those couples. and what justice kennedy also talked about were those children and families all across this country and 50 states. those same-sex parents that are racing children today. why don't those children deserve the exact same protections and the same dignity that children of straight parents have? that is a question that our opposition can't answer. >> dan, that brings to the forethe i think fairly convolute convoluted argument that john birch, who was arguing on behalf of some of the plaintiffs here the state's interest was not in love but the state's interest was in preserving the biological children's day with their biological participants. and that by opening the door to same-sex marriage the state is
therefore perhaps endorsing biological children, children not staying with their biological parents, therefore eroding the stability of society. what did you make of that argument? >> i'll believe that the state of ohio isn't lying through its teeth when it makes that argument. when it moves to ban divorce. when it moves to compel heterosexual couples that have gotten each other pregnant to marry against their will if they do not wish to marry. the state has done none of those things. you know, marriage -- we hear from the right is defined by moe nothingmy, procreation, and religion. but we only hear that when gay couples want to get married. straight people can be monogamous or not. straight people can have children or not and be married. straight couples can get married in church or not, they can have a civil ceremony or religious ceremony. so these three definitional aspects of marriage that the writer is constantly talking about only seems to kick in when
we're talking about gay people. for straight people it's anything goes, and for us it's the 19th century. >> chad, john roberts, who a lot of folks are watching -- they are watching as always because kennedy is almost always a swing vote. but john roberts said something today that seemed to make a lot of sense. he said if sue loves joe and tom loves joe sue can marry him, and tom can't. why isn't that a straight forward question of sexual discrimination? do you take heart in the fact that those words are coming from john roberts' mouth as sort of maybe a bellwether of where the court's going to go? >> i think there's some real insight from all of the justices including chief. tough questions come from all of the justices that asked questions. they pose tough questions to all size. but the point that you were just making before alex the other question that our opposition must answer and they couldn't in
court is what harm is done? what harm is done to that straight couple that's been married for ten or 20 years, when john and joe or jane and jill next door get married? is their marriage all of a sudden going to fall apart? of course not. but they have to answer and show what harm could possibly be caused by allowing gay marriage. otherwise, there's no legitimate reason to discriminate against our fellow gay and lesbian citizens. >> could i quickly address the redefinition issue? >> sure dan, go ahead. >> i think we fumbled the redefinition response. the answer isn't that gay people want to redefine marriage. the answer is that straight people have already redefined marriage. marriage for most of those history was a property transaction and women were the property that was gifted from one man to another in that transaction. and straight people to their credit, about 100 years ago began to redefine marriage to mean the legal union of two autonomous and equal
individuals. the galtarian institution that justice ginsburg brought up and no logical argument no logical case can be made to exclude same-sex couples from that institution, from that redefined institution of marriage as straight people have redefined it. >> and the job of redefinition can surely not only be that job for straight people. in terms of the outcome, there's talk of what has been called a side exit. which means the justices would allow states to uphold their marriage bans but to recognize gay marriages that were performed in other states which to me sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. do you think this is going to come down as a yes or no decision? >> i think that's the unlikely outcome. i'm not the lawyer here, so i'll defer to the brilliant lawyers on these predictions. but just look at the facts today. look at the facts. there are married couples,
thousands upon thousands of married couples in every single state in this country, thousands of them and most americans, more than 60% of them support their ability to get married. today you have marriages and same-sex couples raising children in every single state in this country. it's hard to imagine that at the end of the day, we won't get an answer to that fundamental question. is there a fundamental constitutional right to marriage. and i believe if this court goes in the way it's gone so many times in our nation's history, they will come down on the side of marriage equality. >> it is going to be a big summer. dan savage and chad griffin, thank you guys both for your time. >> thank you alex. just ahead, we will go back to baltimore where the national guard is on the streets to protect against the kind of violent demonstrations we saw last night. more on that coming up next on "now."
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we expect and hope that to continue. >> that was baltimore's police spokesman this afternoon urging calm for this evening, as hundreds of baltimore residents engaged in peaceful protests. and as thousands of national guardsmen, state police and other troops descended upon the city. this afternoon, president obama noted that the problems in baltimore are not uncommon nor are they new. >> i think it's pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations ss sorganizations, but more importantly moms and dads across the country might start saying this is a crisis. what i'd say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis this has been going on for a long time. this is not new. and we shouldn't pretend that it's new. >> the city of baltimore remains under a state of emergency with curfews starting in just a few hours at 10:00 p.m. joining me now is host of msnbc's "all in" chris hayes. i know you're on the ground
there. what are you seeing? >> it's kind of i would say a festive, boisterous scene outside the cvs pharmacy that burned yesterday. today, there's a line of people sort of standing in front of the riot police. there's a drum circle. speeches before. all sorts of people talking. this was the site of a big cleanup effort this morning. one of the people cleaning up was megan harris a teacher at a local school. where do you teach? >> the baltimore design school. it's a middle school through high school at baltimore city. >> reporter: and it's just right around here. >> yep, it's five minutes away. >> reporter: and your students, how did they get home yesterday? >> yesterday, i had a lot of students that had to take the bus. baltimore operates on public transit for its kids. a lot of people were hearing what was going to happen from instagram and they were very concerned. i had kids telling me they were really nervous to go home. one of my students that i knew lived closest to mondawmin mall. i drove her and another one that was going to have to cut across
the city. >> you came out this morning to clean up. you said there were so many people out here cleaning up that there was not enough to clean up. >> yeah it was beautiful. i came out here at maybe 7:45 or 8:00 with a friend. we were scouting out because i had a group of about 20 people who wanted to come help me this morning. and i had to tell them that i didn't know if i needed their help or not because there were so many people out here that were helping, that people were just up and down the streets not knowing what to do because everything was clean. >> how do you think this is impacting your kids both the death of freddie gray, their interactions with police and what happened here in last night? >> i think a lot of kids are very angry. i think a lot of students in baltimore have known this is a problem for a long time. a lot of white people across the nation are starting to figure out that this has been a problem, but this has been a problem for decades with police especially in baltimore city. i think they're looking for an outlet. i know one of my students yesterday asked me if she could do the announcements and talk. a lot of them want to do
different social groups where they can sit after school and talk about what's going on. they want to have an outlet. they want to have a positive place to talk. >> reporter: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> reporter: really appreciate it. a lot of folks i've been talking to out here are talking about their relationships with police which have been, you know famously terrible with baltimore for a long time. i just talked to people the last hour and a lot of people very casually were able to tell stories about interaction between police officers. if you talk to police in these communityies communities, they will tell you how difficult it is to be the police in west baltimore as well. >> chris hang with me if you can. i want to bring in karl stokes. to chris hayes's point about police-community relations, they seem to be better today. but what needs to happen in the long term between the police and residents that they are tasked with protecting? >> actually i'm not sure if they are better today. it wasn't too long ago that the
police ran athletic leagues, that they ran computer labs mentoring programs, and then in the early 2000s, we had a new mayor, we had a new police commissioner from new york, and the commissioner said we're not social workers. so with that edict, they closed the police athletic league they closed the centers where kids came to do their homework after school. they stopped mentoring to the young people. they broke a bond that had been for decades in baltimore city between the police and the people. i'm not sure if they are better in term of relations today. >> well let's follow on that. the notion of broken bonds. the atlantic suggests today that there should be two states of emergency declared. one for the rioting and looting last night and one for the ongoing cases of police brutality that seem to plague various cities across the country. you've covered a number of these moments in our recent american history. and i guess i wonder if you think this is different in terms of us really taking a hard look
at institutional failures around the criminal justice system. >> well, i think it was a piece of what we saw. i thinkering if had its own specific context. staten island and new york have its own context. people in the street were telling me that doesn't matter. they don't feel like asks, those are the people in control. and i had someone just say to me once you're blue you're blue. you're not black and white. that their interactions with police, the way they feel the police culture operates on them and they very much feel it operates on them as opposed to for them that's the perception. is that it doesn't really matter if the officer that's jacking someone up or yelling insults at someone or chasing a kid or administering a beatdown is black or white. they're the police and they feel like they have a certain kind of role to play in these
neighborhoods, which is to maintain this kind of order. and the other thing is west baltimore has been a state of emergency for 40 or 50 years. so has the west side of chicago. there are communities in the country that have been poor and areas of concentrated poverty for decades throughout decades, through various kinds of things done. but the one thing that's remained consistent and escalated is the number of people in those communities we put in the criminal justice system. that is the one trend line that goes in one direction until very recently and that is the case here in this neighborhood in west baltimore. >> chris brings up the point of poverty. in freddie gray's neighborhood that problem is particularly pronounced. i think half of the residents in freddie gray's neighborhood didn't have jobs between 2008 and 2012. the residential properties a third of them were vacant or abandoned in 2012. tell me from the baltimore point of view what is being done -- whether there will be renewed efforts on the economy, on jobs
on all the things that increase mobility and perhaps are the root cause of some of these issues. >> well, frankly, i hope the demonstrations don't stop. not the criminality, but i hope the demonstrations do not stop. because once this is over once your tv cameras have left baltimore, the spotlight's over. the fact that it has taken place puts a spotlight on this issue in a big american city. this is not, as the president said earlier in the day, this is not anything new. this is not something that just happened one time. this has been going on for years. as the correspondent said baltimore city and particularly east baltimore and west baltimore have been states of emergency for the last 46 years, because the city the city leadership, whether it's political or corporate, have not spent the efforts to make sure that all parts of our city were
taken care of. we have a great harbor but the outer harbor of our city where most of us live has been neglected for too long. >> to that end, the protesting you are seeing right now on our live feed are of folks marching what looks to be peacefully down baltimore's pennsylvania avenue. chris hayes and councilman karl stokes, thank you guys both for your time. >> thank you. as we continue to monitor the situation this hour in baltimore, we are also following major developments out of nepal. the prime minister now warns that the death toll there could reach 10,000. we will have the latest on the relief efforts just ahead. ♪ building aircraft,
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we are not getting our audio feed from there but what you're seeing right now is groups of protesters walking in and around the area. i'm not sure if that's pennsylvania avenue. it may be. again, the curfew begins at 10:00 p.m. tonight and we will have more on this developing story. msnbc has live coverage all evening. this is fulton avenue in downtown baltimore. curfew starts in approximately five hours. this group of protesters is meeting up with a larger group of protesters going down what i believe is baltimore's pennsylvania avenue. we'll continue our live coverage with all of our correspondents on the ground live in baltimore. that does it for us. thomas roberts picks up our coverage live from baltimore
coming up next. hi everybody. good afternoon from baltimore. i'm thomas roberts in for ed schultz tonight on "the ed show." and we are live right now at the intersection of north avenue and pennsylvania avenue here in baltimore city where two different protesting groups are merging together. if you can turn around and face that way, going up pennsylvania avenue, you can see this group that's just coming in. we're in front of the burned out cvs where there were rioters and looters last night that set this cvs ablaze. it seems to be right now that this intersection has become more of a protesting party atmosphere, as we have muse nick the background and two different groups that are merging here right in front of the cvs, coming from different directions on pennsylvania avenue. right over here on the corner is the burned out cvs, and people