tv The Rundown With Jose Diaz- Balart MSNBC April 29, 2015 6:00am-8:01am PDT
the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. . good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. right now, the curfew is lifted and students are back at school? baltimore, but the anger and trust ration over the death of 25-year-old freddie gray fatally injured in police custody, has not gone away. in a radio interview that aired this morning with steve harvey president obama says he understands.
>> unfortunately, we've seen these police-related killings or deaths too often now and obviously everybody is starting to recognize that this is not just just an isolated incident in ferguson or in new york but we've got some broader issues. >> the president also said he will go to baltimore, but not right away. >> usually when there's disturbances or national disasters, i usually try to let law enforcement or emergency responders do their work. once things have cleared up i think there's going to be a time where i go back to baltimore. >> a massive show of force was enough to keep the streets of baltimore quiet, at least for one night, but for a little while it wasn't clear which way things would go. the night started off tense as crowds faced off with police
even as some community leaders and activists pleaded for peace. >> do not disrespect them and throw things at them. leave the officers alone. >> that did not happen. at least not right away. as the curfew came and went police fired pepper balls and hurled tear gas canisters at the demonstrators who hurled them back but the crowds thinned out quickly. by the end of the night, at least 10 people had been arrested, that's down from more than 200 the night before. but that doesn't mean life is totally back to normal. case in point, after cancelling two games in a row, the baltimore orioles will finally play this afternoon -- in front of an empty stadium. the game is closed to the public. this is the first time that's ever happened. i want to go live to baltimore right now, co-host of "the sickle" joins me now and msnbc's national correspondent joy reid is outside the burned out cvs. thank you both. joy, let me start with you. do you get a sense the calls for
calm have taken hold or could this just be temporary? >> well good morning, jose. definitely there is calm in the city of baltimore and things are back to normal if you count as normal seeing armed police officers and national guardsmen essentially on every coroner this area in front of the library. kids are going to school et cetera. the next pivot point is going to be friday. we don't know what kind of detail we're going to get from police about freddie gray's arrest. people want to know what is going to be disclosed, are we going to get the autopsy results, are we going to find out ultimately and finally what he will be detained for in the first place. that will be the next flash point and there are demonstrations and big marches
planned for this weekend. so we'll see how that goes but things are calm. >> tory, you said you saw two baltimores last night, what did you mean? >> i spent about 5:00 p.m. to 11:30 at the corner of north and pennsylvania and during the daylight hours and into the early evening we saw people being jubilant, have a party almost. there was a brass band, a marching band, there was a woman handing out fried chicken to people. people trying to bring down some of the tension because there was a lot on their minds and they were talking about freddie gray, they were talking about the problems with baltimore but they wanted to have a moment to dance and have jubilation and bring the tension down. there was a line of people standing in front of this line of cops that was blocking part of north avenue. they said to me they wanted to protect the cops because they could see they were afraid and they didn't deserve that.
they're humans too. but as the night went on, the curfew came and went and the cops moved up a bit. they weren't pressing it too hard and there was a small group of guys who were there to do no good who were taking an opportunity in the moment of sort of some of the social breakdown to throw rocks at police not wanting to be part of improving anything just taking joy at standing up to the police, just defiance for defiance's sake. we saw them just stubbornly hanging on even when most of the people had left to where the media was outnumbering the folks who were just standing out there being defiant so look there's a lot of people here who want a better malt mortarbaltimore, who want peace here, who want to clean up this city. then there's a small group of folks who want to keep poking the bear for no real reason at all. >> toure and joy reid thank you for being with me. i want to bring in a reporter from our nbc station in
baltimore and mark morial thank you both for being with me. you shot some pretty amazing video of a wall of people pushing the protesters away from the police. tell me about that. did that surprise you? >> it did surprise me because some of those people were saying that they're bloods and cripps and they were uniting to work with the police to push the crowds back. it was a way to take back the neighborhood and show a positive light of baltimore. jose last night it was very peaceful in comparison to the night before but as toure was explaining to you, there was still pockets of people who were just causing trouble so much that police had to push them back, form a line and use pepper balls along with smoke grenades in order to suppress the crowd. this was located near the cvs pharmacy that went up in flames where looters went inside but also worth mentioning that there was a lot of positivity, there was churches giving out lunches
yesterday and people cleaning up the streets trying to improve the perceptions but of baltimore on the national stage. >> mark i want to kind of pick your brain a little bit. we touched on this yesterday. your thoughts of why there are these pockets of people that feel that they want to strike back at the police. toure was talking about it and they're just not willing to express themselves in a peaceful way. >> well and there's no justification nor should we support those who want to use violence or looting who might infiltrate and involve themselves in what are otherwise peaceful constitutionally protected protests. but what freddie gray's death has done is it has sparked what has been a smoldering sense of disenfranchisement anger,
joblessness that's gone on in baltimore for a long time and significant issues with the baltimore police department. i mean after all, mayor rawlings-blake on her own went to the state legislature recently in an effort to try to strengthen her hand in disciplining officers. she also asked the federal government -- and this is somewhat unprecedented -- to come in and, if you will review and investigate whether their patterns and practices of constitutional violations being carried out by the baltimore police department. so here's the mayor asking the justice department to come in. so all of these facts -- hi joblessness, the sense that the department has not been fair to the community -- sort of has created add chamber of anger and we see people reacting. but the important thing is that baltimoreans across the board it
does seem and appear are pushing back saying we want justice for mr. gray and violence and looting distracts, takes away from the legitimate and important cause of justice for mr. gray and fixing the challenges that baltimore faces. >> you know mark in contrast to ferguson for example, where the people that are in power on an elected way don't represent the majority of the people that live in ferguson. this is not the case in baltimore and it hasn't been the case for many many years. and yet it seems as though there is some frozen -- like there can be no change and i'm wondering what you're thinking about that. >> important point jose and that is whether the leadership is black, white, latino republican or democrat these police issues these intractable
police issues, this high level of joblessness which combined together is leading to hopelessness is a crisis of national dimensions. as the economy of america has come back and job creation has returned many many people have been left behind. the unemployment rates in inner city baltimore and inner city communities across the nation are almost as high as they were at the depths of the recession so we've got as we discuss this to look at these underlying fact which is don't go away and don't self-correct simply because protests end. and that is why we at the urban league are going to keep a focus on the need for there to be if you will a strong effort. it's local, it's state, it's national, it's public it's private to confront the difficult challenges that inner cities face in the nation at
this time. >> mark i think we in the media are guilty of when we give out the unemployment figure we give out general unemployment figures, we rarely talk about the unemployment figures in the african-american community and the latino community and how they're stuck much more difficult to get movement. shomari, i want to ask you where you think things go from here going back to the baltimore situation. >> well, in talking to the people in baltimore, they tell me that there's a distrust of the police. you have to keep in mind, a lot of the youth and the people i talk to say they've had run ins with officers. now i want to make sure i'm abundantly clear. there are some people who say that the officers are great, that they have a good relationship. in fact, last night i saw an officer thank someone for picking up trash. but then again there are others who claim that they have a distrust of police and how do you bridge the gap? how do you bring it together in which both can come together and try and ultimately help the community?
>> shomari stone and marc morial, this is the conversation we have to continue having and i appreciate you being with us this morning. coming up on this hump day edition of "the rundown," it's been an uphill battle for stephanie rawlings blake, i spoke about her a few moments ago. chuck todd breaks it down along with a look at how it's playing out on the 2016 trail. but first, a beautiful spring day, that's how my colleague bill karins describe the werth. for everyone else except us in south florida. it's raining, and when it rain this is hard mosquitos come out, it's a mess. check out the radar. i'm not an expert but i'm thinking there's some rain in the forecast soon. there's yellow red, green. there's movement. i don't know what it means except lluvia. rain.
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. >> i'm determined not to turn this into a political issue. we have to get this right, bring peace and order and healing in our city. i'm not going to play politics with it. the decision to bring in the national guard is a decision that has to be very carefully weighed and when we knew that all -- after all of the resources we brought to this effort were insufficient, then i called in the national guard and i stand by that. >> that was baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake speaking to our own al sharpton last night amid the riots and unrest that have gripped her city. the mayor herself has been criticized for remarks she's made and her response to the crisis. it's a rare stumble for one of the brightest political stars in the country. joining me now, the moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. chuck, good morning. >> good morning, jose. >> you've had mayor
rawlings-blake on your show a couple times. what can you tell us about it? >> she's part of -- on the national board of the dnc. i believe she was the youngest person ever to be elected to the baltimore city council. she came into office in not the perfect circumstances, the mayor previously -- i believe it was sheila dixon had to resign due to charges on embezzlement so she took over because of an ethical cloud over city hall. and got some high mark ss for being transparent, the next generation of political leaders out of baltimore and many folks believed she is potentially a leading democrat. either she may run for the u.s. senate, she indicated no. my guess is it's a definite no at this point. but a likely challenger to larry hogan there 2018. it's been a tough test for her. >> and the sentence she used
which is "give the demonstrators space to destroy," that she says was taken out of context. how has she handled that criticism? >> i have to say. i think trying to argue the meaning of the phrase and defend that is probably wasted energy. this is one of those moments where she would have been better off saying "i said that? this was a stupid thing to say. that's not what i meant to say." and instead of sort of -- i felt like she's gotten defensive about it. understandable. she's under some stress right now. her city is in deep trouble. i think there was a much better way to handle that something that i think in hindsight i would assume she wishes she never said. >> and the governor initially seemed to take jabs at the mayor for not calling out the national guard sooner. he walked it back a bit yesterday. here's what he said chuck. >> i don't want to point fingers at anyone. i'm not here to place blame, i'm here to try to solve the
problem. i don't want to second guess the mayor's decisions. i know that she was trying as best she could. there was a difficult situation, the baltimore city police and fire were doing the best they could. and when she asked us for help we responded. >> politics, chuck? >> i think the fact is it's easy to monday-morning quarter back her decision on when to call in the national guard but that is a big step when you make that decision and you don't want to do it lightly and you understand why there may have been a couple hours of deciding, you hope your own police department can handle the situation like that. but let's be realistic here. we're seeing potentially a very very early preview of what could be a big issue that ends up in the 2018 race when governor hogan is running for reelection and it's possible the baltimore mayor if mayor blake ends up being the democratic challenger. >> and then we have to think of
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developing now overseas an uncredible rescue in the aftermath of the earthquake in nepal. check this out, rescuers in kathmandu pulling a man out of the rubble 82 hours after the quake. elsewhere in nepal, a less hopeful scene. nbc got these exclusive pictures of the devastation on mount everest after the earthquake triggered a massive avalanche killing at least a dozen people. richard engel is there. richard? >> reporter: jose we are back in kathmandu but earlier today we are at the mount everest base camp at 17,600 feet it's the main base camp climbers use to stage their equipment, to rest and then prepare for their assent to the upper camps and perhaps ultimately some so them to the summit of mount everest. when we were at the base camp we were finally able to understand what happened on saturday when that massive earthquake struck and rock sod many places and destroyed so
many places in this country. when the earthquake happened around noon on saturday an avalanche broke off from the mountain overlooking the base camp. the base camp is long and thin and has several hundred people staying in it. and when the avalanche came crashing down with ice and snow and rocks, it tore through the center section of the base camp destroying the only medical facility at the base camp tearing up tents, sending some of the climbers hundreds of feet. we don't know exactly how many people died. of the estimates are 15 to 19 but there still may be bodies buried under the rubble buried under the ice they haven't been able to recover yet. when we were there we saw still several hundred people who were at the base camp. they seem to be in good health good spirits, a few of them are being rescued by helicopter and taken to lower altitudes, but most of them want to walk off
the mountain. they climbed up to base camp and they want to walk off with their dignity after this horrible tragedy on the world's tallest peak. jose? >> richard engel, thank you very much. up next tough love. the mother caught on camera disciplining her son in baltimore. well, she speaks out for the first time since going viral on monday. plus, hillary clinton expected to address the rioting in baltimore when she speaks in new york city. we'll be back with a whole lot more on "the rundown."
kids in baltimore back in school this morning and i bet we know one mom who made sure her son is in class this morning. she's a baltimore mom we told you about yesterday. toya gram toya graham is getting attention for dishing out tough love to her son all caught on video. we're hearing from her for the
first time. craig melvin is joining me on "the rundown." good to see you. >> we've all seen the video of toya graham laying down the law on her son. she confronted him monday afternoon. graham tells cbs news she caught her son throwing stuff at the police and recognized him in part by his baggy pants. graham says she jacked him up because she was worried about him. >> lo and be hold i turned around and i look in this crowd and my son is actually coming across the street with this hoodie on and a mass and i just lost it. he gave me eye contact and not even thinking about cameras or anything like that that's my only son and at the end of the day i don't want him to be a freddie gray. >> that's whey she went upside his head. she explained it there.
more folks not just on baltimore and all over the country are calling her a we talked to people in baltimore. >> i think she was right. >> reporter: if your son were old enough to be out in the street rioting and you saw him, what would you do? >> the same thing that mother did. go find my son and take him home because his life could have been saved. >> my mother probably would have did the same thing. >> mine, too. baltimore's police commissioner said more parents should have taken charge of their parents like graham after the riots started but not everyone agrees. listen to this baltimore resident. >> wow. well, they said go and get the children but they didn't say go and cuss them out and beat them up. >> graham has received wide praise from folks on social media. after going viral, the video started trending on facebook thousands of tweets including the #momoftheyear and the original video posted on youtube
has exceeded three million views. graham says she hopes the whole situation will be a teachable moment for her son jose. jose, we should know one of the things we have not heard is precisely what she was saying to her son as she was hauling him off there. >> one can imagine. and we haven't heard from the kid, either. >> no no we have not. >> craig when we put this video on yesterday i got a lot of feedback on facebook and twitter and a lot of people are saying "how can you glorify a mother beating her son?" it's so funny because unless you're there in that situation i don't know how you would act but she was as she says trying to save her kid. >> i don't think anyone has been glorifying it. i think exactly what you just said there. people have recognized that here's a woman who spotted her son, she makes eye contact with the boy and hauls him off to safety.
who's to say what would have happened if he'd stayed out there and continued to throw things at police. >> and i bet you that kid will learn manner also. >> i'm sure he does. probably learned some that night. >> absolutely. craig, what a pleasure to see you, thanks. i want to bring in baltimore councilman carl stokes. carl, good to see you. >> how are you doing this morning? >> great. it was a calm night in baltimore. are you confident the situation is now pretty much under control? >> it's been under control. we had six straight days of peace and calm. we had some bad actors, a few hundred people out of thousands of people do some bad things one evening, everything was back together yesterday. baltimore was like it always is yesterday in terms of community and people. people came out of their homes yesterday morning at 5:00 a.m. 6:00 a.m. they're starting cleaning up their neighborhood people starting sitting on their stoops. the best days of baltimore are today and the days going
forward. i feel very confident that people can continue to peaceably protest and demonstrate against the injustices that are happening in our town. >> and, carl as we know words do better. you've taken exception to how we characterize the writers. let me play for you what we heard from the president as well as the mayor earlier this week. >> a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place. >> the thugs who only want to incite violence and destroy our city. >> and carl, what is your issue with the word "thugs"? >> okay, so the mayor has backed up her -- she has walked her words back as others have and so there were a number of criminals on the street two nights ago, that's old news. what my issue was not -- is labelling kids. there were many kids throughout who were high school sophomores
high school juniors who were being misled misdirected, who came out in anger, who did acts of criminality that they should not have done and it's reprehensible. but these kids who are poor and black have been labelled and stereotyped for years and have been disengaged. and my point is that we should say that their acts were horrible and we should not allow them to get away with that. but we don't have to continue the mislabelling. we're talking about their actions, we should be and not who they are. and what they are. for the most part the kids were not and are not thugs. they are not criminals. they are kids who are disengaged, who have been neglected, who are angry. their acts are wrong. we should know that these young people are redeemable, they are redeemable and this is a teachable moment for us as adults. >> and i'm glad you bring this up. you know, i keep thinking carl
you're talking about that out of these many nights of peaceful protests, you know everybody's focusing on this one night of violence. but i have to tell you, carl, taking away the kids that were misled et cetera there were people there that threw bricks on police officers, that hit police officers, had to go to the hospital. there were kids that broke into a check cashing store, a sporting goods store that was owned by a family that's been there for 35 years, now even to talk about the cvs, they broke into a mall. i don't care how misled you are, man, if you're going in and you're throwing a brick at another human being's head, if you're going into a family-owned store, what do you call those people carl? >> it's a reprehensible act. if you don't know people in your own family -- and maybe you don't, maybe you live that great life, i appreciate it who have been done bad things in their lives and someone touched them and redeemed them and helped them to become redeemed and
changed their lives for the better, they didn't stay there and spit on them and call them dirty names and said you're lousy. they did say that what you did -- what your acts are are horrible. and we're going to teach you how to do better. if you want to stay there in that moment and continue that line of talk and reasoning, that's fine but i know these young people. i know that they're hurting, i know that iethey're angry. it doesn't excuse that they tried to hurt police officers, i hated seeing those scenes and i protect my officers in this town. we all do in our community. so it is not -- go ahead. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you, just thinking so how do you get through for the first time to someone, they can be young or not, who is willing to throw a brick at another human being's head? how do you -- let's take a way
the semantics of it. let's take away what you call them. how do you change someone who is willing to throw a blik or sincer block on another human being's head. how do you do that zmarl. >> i think you engage them. how do you get bad cops to stop killing black men in this city and across this country? you know that everyday a black man is killed by a police officer. you know that already. the stats are right there. there's nothing anyone's making up. how do you change that behave your? how do you do that? which is the easier? you've got to engage and change people's hearts you have to have these conversations. you have to find out what's going on in their heads and their hearts. i don't support throwing a brick at anyone. i am absolutely against that. those individuals, young or old, should be arrested. they should have consequences there should be repercussions, absolutely should happen. but still there is such a thing as rehabilitation and there has to be. otherwise you lose people.
you lose a generation. it's not worth it. let's change our hearts. let's change our hearts. let's punish them for the actions that they did but let's work for rehabilitation. >> councilman carl stokes, thank you for being with me appreciate it. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your talking to me. >> all the best. developing now, the debate over same-sex marriage in the hands of the supreme court. this morning the arguments are over. less than two months away from a to potentially watershed movement that could bring same-sex marriage to the country. the real fireworks were inside the court. nbc's pete williams has the highlights from the court. >> reporter: 36 states now permit gay couples to mar pri, but states that impose bans say it should be up to the people not the federal courts, and the supreme court's conservatives seem to agree. >> the issue, of course, is not whether there should be same-sex marriage but who should decide the point. >> people feel very differently
about something if they have a chance to vote on it than if it's imposed by on them by the courts. >> reporter: and states that ban gay marriage say keeping the traditional definition encourages opposite-sex couples to get married and have children but the court's liberals didn't think much of that. >> you're not taking away anything from heterosexual couples. they would have the very same incentive to marry, all the benefits that come with marriage that they do now. >> it's hard to see how permitting same-sex marriage discourages people from beg bonded with their biological children? >> reporter: the court seems split 4-4 with justice anthony kennedy likely the deciding vote. though he said the traditional definition has been around for millennia, he also said allowing gay couples to marry gives them respect. >> same-sex couples say of course we understand the nobility and the say redness of the marriage. we know we can't procreate but we want the other attributes of
it in order to show that we too have a dignity that can be fulfilled. >> thank you to nbc's pete williams. joining me now is tevin johnson campion. his fathers are plaintiffs in the case. good to see you again. >> thanks for having me back. >> thanks. so you were at the court yesterday. what was it like? >> it was crazy. it was chaos, you know? there were people everywhere. it was really good to see a lot of the supporters out there and i really just -- i was amazed. it was great. >> you know it is -- it's our system at work there and it's chaotic seems but inside apparently in the court it wasn't as chaotic. talk about how you're feeling now and your family's journey. that journey, at least to the supreme court, is essentially over now. >> it is. the journey is over but the war has not been won just yet. it was very surreal, i guess, being there and we're all hoping for the best we're all hoping for the best outcome, but we really hope that this platform
has given people the opportunity to look at us and realize that we are just like them and we want the same things and, you know my parents and the other plaintiffs have worked very very hard to show other people what great people they are and what great parents they can be. >> and tell me about the reaction to your blog. have you seen a change in the -- even when you're reading from the people that are reracketing to it? have you seen a change? has it pretty much been consistent? >> it's actually -- it's really -- it hasn't changed at all. i've got a lot more supporters than i had a couple days ago, it's really picked you have. but people have been so supportive. i haven't gotten any nasty comments or anything like that, which has been very surprising. but people are very very nice. that's something that's very very cool to see because i was expecting to get some hate mail but people have been great and i love that. that's good to hear tevin.
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also lay out a broad vision for reforms in the criminal justice system. these will be her first public comments on the issue. she spoke about it during a private fund-raiser last night calling the situation "heartbreaking." nbc's alex seitz-wald joins me. alex, what can we expect? >> we can expect one of the biggest policy rollouts from her campaign thus far. only a couple weeks in but hillary clinton is going to propose body cameras for every police department in the country. that's according to campaign aides. she's also going to propose ending the era of mass incarceration incarceration, suggesting that she's going to put criminal justice firmly in the center of her campaign. this is an issue breaking with her husband the former president who signed crime laws that led to many of the people behind bars today and she's embracing this new era of criminal justice reform, it's a bipartisan effort but has gained a lot of attention on the left. in recent speeches she's talked
about rolling back the drug war and eliminating the people sent to prison for non-violent drug crimes and she's talked about demilitarizing police departments. getting what she calls weapons of war off the streets. so a big shift for her here. this will be one of her big policy rollouts of her very new campaign. >> this would be the first one, right? she hasn't had a rollout of a substantial policy yet. interesting, alex it seems to me -- correct me if i'm wrong -- that what she's doing is accepting and supporting president obama's positions on this? >> absolutely. since ferguson, the white house has firmly embraced boy testimony cameras. they've tried to free up millions of dollars in funding to get body cameras in the hands of police departments across the country. we'll see how far hillary clinton is willing to go here. is she going to say body cameras should be mandatory for police departments? is she going to say even more money than the white house has proposed should be available for purchasing those body cameras?
but that's right. this follows a larger trend with hillary clinton where she's wanting to stay behind the white house, wanting to stay close to the white house here so i wouldn't expect her to get too far in front of the president but this is keeping her in line with obama. >> alex talk to me about what she has on her schedule after this one. >> she has more fund-raisers coming up in washington, d.c. she did her first round of those fund raisers yesterday in new york. she did three of them. they're keeping it at the lower $2,700 level per person right now. that's just raising money for the primary campaigns. then next week she heads to nevada, one of the first four early primary states then on to california to raise even more money after that jose. >> okay. alex seitz-wald, thank you so very much. i'm told any minute now mrs. clinton will be introduced and we'll be keeping a very close watch on it for you and let you know. up next naughty by nature no more. you may know our next guest from
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and developing now, you're looking at live pictures of a leadership forum in columbia university, new york. mayor jenkins is now speaking. hillary clinton will take the stage there any minute. i want to bring back msnbc's alex, so we were talking about what she is going to be announcing as part of this policy major policy rollout today, and some of the things that she's going to be proposing are directly in contrast to what her husband proposed and actually did during his
presidency. >> absolutely, jose. i mean keep in mind that in the early '90s, 1991 1992 when bill clinton was running for president, tail end of the height of the crack epidemic there was an outpouring of cry for criminal justice crackdown, and for a crackdown on crime in urban areas, and bill clinton, of course, faced a lot of pressure from republicans on that, so he embraced this kind of law and order mentality, crackdown mentality, drug sentencing went up criminal justice penalties went up and it was a very different world, very different time from what we're dealing with now, where a lot of people have come to the realization where the drug war hasn't succeeded as much as we expected. bill clinton wrote a forward to a book that just came out and hillary clinton, where he kind of acknowledged a lot of the policies and the laws that he put in place under his administration were not as effective as they'd hoped and he
expressed even a little bit of regret, as i read it for passing those kind of policies saying we need to rethink our approach to criminal justice. we could look at this in a much larger context with hillary clinton moving away from things her husband did on gay rights criminal justice, a whole host of issues. it's another issue she's going to have to navigate. >> interesting that she is really getting back to being close to the obama administration's position, whereas everybody talks about 2016, how is she going to kind of ride that fine line between opposing some of mr. obama's, the president's policies and supporting it. in this case, on this specific issue, she seems very closely aligned with what the president has been saying recently. >> absolutely. and this is actually been an issue criminal justice she's been speaking about quite a bit in the past few months. she was criticized after ferguson for waiting about 20 days to speak out, but once she did, she made pretty forceful remarks and brought it up several times in her speeches
that she gave leading up to her presidential campaign announcement. she talked about the kind of things we're going to hear her talk about today. she talked about very specifically about race and how the criminal justice system is tilted against african-americans, and specifically african-american men, and she said it's time for us to reconcile the hard truths with race and justice in america today. after those grand juries did not return indictments for the police officers who killed eric garner and michael brown, she said that she hoped that the outrage that was spun out of those events would lead to a new national conversation a new moment for the country to come together and make reforms, and it seems like these are the reforms we're going to hear her proposing today, exactly the kinds of things she hopes would come out of these moments of tension. >> interesting, because this probably will become a major issue during the 2016 race. >> absolutely. and you see it on both sides of the aisle. in that brennan center for
justice book that i mentioned, they have almost every 2016-er in there, including republicans, chris christie, rick perry, i believe, is in there. and on the democratic side martin o'malley and jim webb two of hillary clinton's competitors have made this a centerpiece of their pre-presidential campaigning. jim webb especially going back to his time in the senate. and bernie sanders has, as well. so i think there is definitely a national moment that's happening right now. a lot of the data has shown that the drug war that people thought would work in a certain way has just not worked in the way they expected and these moments of calamity, in baltimore, in ferguson, in staten island have really forced the debate and pushed them. and i don't know if hillary clinton would be talking about this today or waiting until later to roll out this policy proposal, but i think it's very very notable that the first big policy rollout of her 2016
campaign will be on criminal justice reform. >> and this is a very previously scheduled speech she was giving. >> right, it was a previously scheduled speech it was announced about a week ago, but in that intervening time of course baltimore protests have exploded, so we'll try to get some clarity from the campaign on that but it's certainly notable and something a lot of us would not have expected six months ago, a year ago, that the first big rollout of hillary clinton's campaign would be on this issue. >> alex thank you for being with me and we're watching former new york mayor jenkins wrapping up his speech right before introducing hillary clinton. she is expected to speak at any minute now after the former mayor concludes his introductory remarks. let's listen in just a few seconds to the former mayor. >> -- people recognized me otherwise i'd get arrested. i walk up to two or three little children and say the same thing to all of them. i said remember the big ones
take care of the little ones. and i tell them whatever you do, don't be a bully. it's uncool to be a bully. and little rascals look up at me who is this old man? but i do it all the time. children waiting for elevators, subway stops, buses. >> former new york mayor david jenkins. joy reid is outside that burned-out cvs store in baltimore, also with me breaking news reporter with usa today. ladies, thank you so much. joy, tell me a little about what we expect today as far as baltimore. are there any protests scheduled for the afternoon? >> reporter: hi, jose. well today is pretty much a normal day. kids are back to school. you can see life is sort of returning to somewhat normal although if you look in the square and you referenced the cvs across the street you can see the library over here on this side of the street is
flanked with police officers armed police officers. on this side if you can swing over here and see that. so normalcy sort of has returned. we don't know of any protests that are planned for today, jose, but there are two marches planned for this weekend, one on saturday and a large march on sunday that we learned about last night at one of the churches doing a lot of organizing here in the community. so a lot of people still anticipating and waiting for friday, which is the day that we expect to get some measure of a report out of the baltimore police department as to freddie gray's arrest. a lot of people still tense about that but as of today, things are whatever passes for normal right now in baltimore. >> you were in the middle of it all. tell me about the experience and what you were hearing from the crowd. >> well i think the experience last night was really that people were a little afraid that things were going to get out of hand again. police had to fire tear gas, had to fire smoke at protesters because people started to throw
bottles, plastic bottles and glass bottles at police but after that a surprising thing happened, people thought they were going to have to run, but it eased out after that. people made their point, they said they wanted to really say they didn't have to follow that curfew, they were in their own neighborhood, they didn't have to go home whenever the police said they did. but really after that it became calm. people kind of talked and walked away. really it became a tense situation only for a few minutes, but after a while people dispersed and the police after a couple hours also left. it was really surprising an area that had been filled with protesters almost 36 hours became really really quiet. >> yeah. yamiche, joy, thank you both for being with me. i want to go back to new york city, where there you see hillary clinton. >> -- everyone at the school of international and public affairs.
it is a special treat to be here with and on behalf of a great leader of this city and our country, david jenkins. he has made such an indelible impact on new york and i had the great privilege of working with him as first lady and then, of course, as a new senator. when i was just starting out as a senator, david's door was always open. he and his wife were good supporters and sounding boards about ideas that we wanted to consider to enhance the quality of life and opportunities for the people of this city. i was pleased to address the
jenkins leadership and public policy forum in my first year as a senator. to help celebrate the legacy of one of new york's greatest public servants. and i'm pleased, too, that you will have the opportunity after my remarks to hear from such a distinguished panel, to go into more detail about some of the issues that we face. i also know that manhattan burough president gayle brewer is here along with other local and community leaders, because surely this is a time when our
collective efforts to device approaches to the problems that still afflict us is more important than ever. indeed, it is a time for wisdom for yet again the family of a young black man is grieving a life cut short. yet again, the streets of an american city are marred by violence by shattered glass, then shouts of anger and shows of force. yet again, a community is reeling, its fault lines lay bear and its bonds of trust and respect frayed. yet again, brave police officers have been attacked in the line of duty. what we have seen in baltimore should, indeed i think does tear at our soul. from ferguson, to staten island to baltimore, the patterns have
become unmistakable and undeniable. walter scott shot in the back in charleston south carolina. unarmed, in debt terrified of spending more time in jail for child support payments he couldn't afford. to mire rice shot in cleveland, ohio unarmed and just 12 years old. eric garner choked to death after being stopped for selling cigarettes on the streets of our city. and now freddie gray his spine nearly severed while in police custody. not only as a mother and a grandmother, but as a citizen, a human being, my heart breaks for
these young men and their families. we have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in america. there is -- [ applause ] there is something profoundly wrong when african-american men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than are meted out to their white counterparts. there is something wrong when a third of all black men face the prospect of prison during their lifetimes, and an estimated 1.5 million black men are, quote, missing from their families and
communities because of incarceration and premature death. there is something wrong when more than one out of every three young black men in baltimore cannot find a job. there is something wrong when trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve breaks down as far as it has in many of our communities. we have allowed our criminal justice system to get out of balance, and these recent tragedies should galvanize us to come together as a nation to find our balance again. we should begin by heeding the pleas of freddie gray's family for peace and unity, echoing the families of michael brown, trayvon martin and others in the past years. those who are instigating further violence in baltimore are disrespecting the gray
family and the entire community. they are compounding the tragedy of freddie gray's death and setting back the cause of justice, so the violence has to stop. but more broadly, let's remember that everyone in every community benefits when there is respect for the law and when everyone in every community is respected by the law. [ applause ] that is what we have to work towards in baltimore and across our country. we must urgently begin to rebuild the bonds of trust and respect among americans. between police and citizens yes, but also across society. restoring trust in our politics
our press, our markets. between and among neighbors and even people with whom we disagree politically. this is so fundamental to who we are as a nation and everything we want to achieve together. it truly is about how we treat each other and what we value, making it possible for every american to reach his or her god-given potential, regardless of who you are, where you were born or who you love. the inequities that persist in our justice system undermine this shared vision of what america can be and should be. i learned this firsthand as a young attorney just out of law school at one of those law schools that will remain nameless here at columbia. one of my earliest jobs for the
children's defense fund which david had mentioned i was so fortunate to work with mary and wright aide lman and serving on the board of the children's defense fund was studying the problem then of youth, teenagers, sometimes pre-teens incarcerated in adult jails. then as director the university of arkansas school of law's legal aide clinic i argumented on behalf of prison inmates and poor families. i saw repeatedly how our legal system can be and all too often is stacked against those who have the least power, who are the most vulnerable. i saw how families could be and were torn apart by excessive incarcerations. i saw the toll on children
growing up in homes shattered by poverty and prison. so, unfortunately, i know these are not new challenges by any means. in fact, they have become even more complex and urgent over time and today they demand fresh thinking and bold action from all of us. today, there seems to be a growing bipartisan movement for common sense reforms in our criminal justice system. senators as disparate on the political sector as cory booker rand paul dick durbin mike lee, are reaching across the aisle to find ways to work together. it is rare to see democrats and republicans agree on anything today, but we're beginning to agree on this. we need to restore balance to our criminal justice system. now, of course -- [ applause ]
-- it is not just enough to agree and give speeches about it. we actually have to work together to get the job done. we need to deliver real reforms that can be felt on our streets, in our courthouses, and our jails and prisons in communities too long neglected. let me touch on two areas in particular where i believe we need to push for more progress. first, we need smart strategies to fight crime that helps restore trust between law enforcement and our communities, especially communities of color. there's a lot of good work to build on. across the country, there are so many police officers out there every day inspiring trust and confidence honorably doing their duty putting themselves on the line to save lives. there are police departments
already deploying creative and effective strategies demonstrating how we can protect the public without resorting it to unnecessary force. we need to learn from those examples, build on what works, we can start by making sure that federal funds for state and local law enforcement are used to bolster best practices rather than to buy weapons of war that have no place on our street. president obama's task force on policing gives us a good place to start. its recommendations offer a road map for reform from training to technology guided by more and better data. we should make sure every police department in the country has body cameras to record interactions between officers on
patrol and suspects. that will improve transparency and accountability it will help protect good people on both sides of the lens. for every tragedy caught on tape there surely have been many more that remained invisible. not every problem can be or will be prevented by cameras, but this is a common sense step we should take. the president has provided the idea of matching funds to state and local governments investing in body cameras. we should go even further and make this the norm everywhere and we should listen to law enforcement leaders who are calling for a renewed focus on working with communities to prevent crime, rather than measuring success just by the number of arrests or convictions. as your senator from new york i supported a greater emphasis on community policing along with putting more officers on the street to get to know those
communities. david was an early pioneer of this policy his leadership helped lay the foundation for dramatic drops in crime in the years that followed. [ applause ] and today, smart policing in communities that builds relationships, partners and trust, makes more sense than ever. and it shouldn't be limited just to officers on the beat. it's an eppthic that should extend to officers parole officers judges, and lawmakers. we all share a responsibility to help restitch the fabric of our neighborhoods and communities. we also have to be honest about the gaps that exist across our country, the inequality that
stalks our streets, because you cannot talk about smart policing and reforming the criminal justice system if you also don't talk about what's needed to provide economic opportunity, better educational chances for young people more support to families so they can do the best jobs they are capable of doing to help support their own children. today i saw an article on the front page of usa today that really struck me written by a journalist who lives in baltimore. and here's what i read three times to make sure i was reading correctly. at a conference in 2013 at johns hopkins university vice probost jonathan bagger pointed out that only six miles separate the baltimore neighborhoods of roland park and hollands market.
but there is a 20-year difference in the average life expectancy. >> hillary clinton speaking at columbia university. this is her first major public speech since announcing her candidacy for the presidency in 2016. i want to bring in mark clackston, retired new york city police detective, also director and council with the washington, d.c. office of the brennan center. thank you both for being with me. nicole, hillary clinton is calling for a criminal justice system reform from top to bottom. she says this is nothing new, the challenges aren't new, but you need to have fresh new thinking. how do you see it? >> she is absolutely right. you know the brennan center yesterday came out with a new book, we call it the solutions
book, and it's a compilation of essays. mrs. clinton is one of the essayist and it is a bipartisan compilation with lawmakers and leaders from across the country who have all seen the light and recognize that we are at a moment in this country's history where we finally have to do something about this overburdened mass incarceration system that we have in the united states. and each of the people who contributed essays to this book have come up with what we like to think of as fresh ideas for how we need to deal with this issue. it's timely it's much needed and i think it's going to help reform the way we look at the criminal justice system in this country. >> you know, it's interesting, she said something she said we need to restore balance to our judicial system. i think a lot of people would wonder if it's time to restore or absolutely just change because was it ever balanced? >> well you know that is a debatable question. i think, you know it depends on
whom you're asking. i think we all know that there's been research done and we've seen the numbers how certain people from certain economic backgrounds and certain racial backgrounds may fair better in our criminal justice system. those are the kind of disparities we at the brennan center seek to address. we think there should not be a different system of justice for individuals depending on race and economic background and i think those are the things that we have to try to address. our system of justice is a -- is a good system at its foundation. when the founding fathers put it in place, the thinking was right. i think it's what it has become and the way in which it has been manipulated and maneuvered over the years that's caused a problem, and that's what we have to start to address. we have to start to look at the racial disparities that we've allowed to erode that system and get it back to a place where it can provide fairness and equity
to all americans. >> mark after 20 years, mrs. clinton and others are calling for body cameras for all police officers. do you think that would make a difference? >> it may make some difference in some cases, but it's a positive step forward, but i think more importantly, the points that she raised talking about criminal justice reform which is what we have been crying for for quite a while, really represents an attempt to shift the paradigm of criminal justice and law enforcement specifically to restore the faith in law enforcement from a communities across the board and to accomplish a respectful honest, meaningful working relationship with communities and in particular as she mentioned, communities of color, of course there are many socioeconomic factors that are in play here but this is significant, the call for criminal justice reform is very significant and on the minds and tongues of so many people across the nation whether it be black
or white, et cetera so it's a vitally important speech that she gave and it really provides us with some skeleton to work with. there's an idea about her perception about where criminal justice is what needs to be done with the criminal justice system and hopefully there will be more meat on those bones with specific programs not just referring to the 21st century task forced edd ideas themselves but innovative ideas for new sources. >> mark, i was just thinking about, what is the solution? what is part of the solution because is it more government programs is it more government -- federal government having a say in local communities' police forces or is it also responsibility of all of us to make a difference in our own communities, to do elected office and through asking those who represent us to work and do things and not just talk about it? >> it's all of that and then some.
i think when you're talking about law enforcement agencies in particular and the criminal justice system it has to be the carrot on the stick. you have to incentivize or penalize in order to get them to move or shift in another direction, which is desperately needed. it is obvious, it is apparent so i mean those are the key components there. if you incentivize and mrs. clinton spoke about the funding stream that is necessary and is opening up for so many different agencies, that's fine. we talk about incentivizing, but the penalty should be equally as substantial and then you'll begin to see a shift in the paradigm, in the focus, in the attention level, in the care. we have to move the criminal justice system and law enforcement in particular more into a direction of being user friendly and that will increase the professional standards across the board from law enforcement. >> mark and nicole thank you both for being with me.
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at a leadership forum in columbia university in new york. alex, this is a pretty big moment for this presidential campaign. >> absolutely, jose a very strong speech from hillary clinton. very strong rhetoric from her, and i think this puts her among the strongest of any national leader in either party on criminal justice reform here talking about a pattern that is unmistakable and undeniable of racialized policing. she listed off every event that we talked about the past year from ferguson staten island baltimore, saying this is a pattern. these are not isolated incidents, something needs to be done here calling for policy solutions, including body cameras, including using federal funding to incentivize and perhaps penalize police departments that are better or worse when it comes to these issues, and calling for ending mass incarceration and she spoke specifically about the effect of incarceration on a family
economic benefit, speaking about, you know people who have been convicted of crimes as humans, as family members, which i think you don't often hear from leaders. and she also said calling out rand paul and cory booker saying she wants to be a part of this bipartisan reform effort on criminal justice. >> alex thank you so much. i want to turn now to a different kind of high profile celebrity calling for calm. >> young kids you've got to understand something. get off the streets! violence is not the answer. violence has never been the answer. >> that was baltimore ravens legend ray lewis, who took to social media to scold the young rioters who participated in monday's violence and destruction. our next guest is calling for calm. what a pleasure to see you, how are you? >> how are you, nice to be here. thank you. >> you and your fellow group members are heading to
baltimore. tell me why. >> it's me a few other hip hop artists from the community, do it all lords of the underground, hot dollar channel live and we know what our community is east orange north irving area it can happen here. we know that the youth are out there and they do not trust the law. and right now they don't have anything to look up to they feel as though their backs is against the wall. when your back is against the wall, what do you do? you push and fight your way out. when you scream so much where you don't have a voice anymore, what are you going to do? you're going to push your way out. you're going to get to where you need to go where you feel protected. right now, nothing in the streets for the kids to do. i mean when we came up it was boys and girls clubs, it was flip city i was a boy scout. it's like right now the only thing for the kids to do that they feel they are a part of is gangs, you know what i mean?
there's nothing to do. when you go outside, you don't feel safe. a lot of these people aren't running from police they are running for their life. they don't know what's going to happen once they are cuffed when they get in that caddie wagon. >> let me ask you, you were talking about, you know, growing up for a lot of people there were avenues and outlets that could bring positive change and certainly give you some positive structure, right, and some of that is not available anymore. so how do we get back to give our young kids idols or people they can look up to that are positive and that can make a difference in their life to be a better human being? >> they have to be more programs in the communities. there has to be more people that's out there that the youth can look up to. i mean the majority of their heros is locked up or dead you understand, or in the entertainment field, but not in the communities. you know we're going down to
baltimore today because we have respect on the streets because they see us in the communities, not just when we're doing concerts and anything else but trying to get the kids together have different gang members get together. it's shocking to me that people was upset the crypts and bloods had a truce. when are the police and the youths going to have a truce? getting them together is what needs to happen because the only one the youth is going to listen to the kids are going to listen to right now, are the homies that's on the street. >> do we all have a responsibility? i mean we as the media, you in entertainment, to also be positive role models and have a positive message? not just when these things happen, but throughout our lives. >> definitely. definitely. that's why it's not -- we're not waiting for it to come to jersey. we're going down to baltimore right now to talk to the homies in the street to talk to the people in the city hall and to try to get some type of round table where they are heard.
because right now when you're not heard, this type of stuff happens. it's not going to stop until you see that it's a major problem, it's just not a one town. it seems like it's happening every week now. every month it seems like you're seeing somebody else getting killed by police and it's like the whole country is fed up. my thing is we're going down here to try to get the youth to stay peaceful because we know at the end of the day who's going to end up dying. you got national guards down there, you've got police coming in like military. you know what i mean? the kids ain't going to win. they are outgunned, outpowered and they don't know what to do. they are crying out right now. they feel like they have nobody the country, nobody has their backs, the powers that be let them leave to die in the street. what do you want to do? what are you going to do if you're in the streets? you got to survive. >> thank you. thanks for being with me. i appreciate your voice.
>> thank you. >> thanks so much. and turning now to another developing story we're following here on "the rundown," day five of the search for survivors in nepal's deadly earthquake. and at least 5,000 people confirmed dead so far. but today, a bright spot, a man is pulled from the rubble he was pulled from the rubble alive 82 hours after the quake first hit. elsewhere in nepal, search efforts grow grimmer every day. nbc's miguel almaguer is in kathmandu. miguel? >> reporter: we're 45 minutes east of kathmandu, where later on today first responders from the fairfax county search and rescue team in virginia will scour this area looking for survivors. this is an area that was hard hit by the earthquake. it's a residential community, as you know this earthquake was triggered on a saturday when many people were home. thousands were in this neighborhood when bricks began to fall. most of these homes, most of these apartments, were built with brick and wood.
that's why search teams have picked this area looking for any possible survivors. as you can see, locals out here are digging by hand doing whatever they can to clear debris. they believe hundreds of people may have been trapped in this area. we've seen rescue teams from multiple countries out here the americans bringing in dogs hoping to find survivors. four, five possibly even six days after this quake. they say there's a chance they could still be alive. >> miguel almaguer thank you very much. up next playing to an empty crowd for the first time ever. that's what's going to happen at a major league baseball stadium later today in baltimore as the orioles take on the chicago white sox. we're going to talk to our reporter in the stands. he's pretty lonely, coming up. >> very very difficult call but we think under the circumstances, it was required to try and play one of these ball games. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married. i knew it'd take some time.
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well so much for the home field advantage this afternoon. the orioles will play to an empty stadium, public shutout due to security concerns after the riots on monday. kasie hunt is live at camden yards. kasie, this is a first for major league baseball right? >> reporter: that's right, jose. no one in major league baseball history can remember a time when a game like this was played to absolutely no fans. and one of the stranger things that we're thinking that we're going to see today is that the quote, unquote, in-park experience, so what you would see if you were to go to a baseball game the scoreboard flashing, national anthem playing, in the case of the orioles they play "thank god i'm a country boy" in the seventh inning stretch. the v.p. of operations told me this morning they were planning on having that be all the same even though there aren't going to be any fans in this empty stadium behind me. it's really unprecedented.
i also spoke briefly to cal ripkin jr., who, of course is a legend in this city and somebody who has deep roots in baltimore and in maryland. he didn't want to talk about what the city -- what this meant to the city or what was going on, but he did say that he might attend the game and that he's never played a ball game in front of an empty stadium, so quite a statement from somebody who's, of course started in more games than any other player in baseball history. >> you know it's odd, kasie, because the games weren't -- they may have been temporarily suspended, but they played after 9/11, there are a lot of times when security issues were important, and yet this is the first time they are doing it here in baltimore. do they say why? was it that they felt real fear that something bad was going to happen? >> reporter: well, the team told me jose really this is about what's going to make the fans and the city law enforcement, police, first responders most
comfortable of the the orioles did play on saturday night when some of this was first erupting and fans were told to stay in their seats and not leave the stadium. they actually locked the gates, and after that they postponed two of the games part of the series with the chicago white sox. they explained to me that there was no room in the schedule to reschedule this game at some other time. they, of course have moved their games with the tampa bay rays down to tampa. where they'll actually play with a home field advantage on tropicana field, not here at camden yards but not a very strong explanation, necessarily, some of the fans i've talked to on the street today think for why there's no fans at this game and why it couldn't go on at a time when people think baltimore needs to be starting to get back to normal. >> i guess kasie, two ways to look at it. one, you'll have a great seat when you do get a chance to see the game and number two, when you do scream at the umpire your voice will be heard, so be very careful.
>> reporter: i have to say, as a lifelong orioles fan it's in many ways difficult to watch this today. >> thank you so much it's good seeing you. the baltimore orioles baseball team is one of the many businesses big and small impacted by monday's riot. here's nbc's peter alexander. >> reporter: for more than eight hours overnight the levy family helplessly watched their surveillance cameras from home as looters gutted the sports mart they've owned for 35 years. >> they were coming in and cleaning us out totally. >> reporter: this mass is all that's left. they want to rebuild, but where do you begin? >> it's just sad. my heart is breaking. my heart is breaking for baltimore, for all the store owners. it's breaking for us. >> i'm joined now by editor and chief of baltimore business journal. thank you for being with me. >> thanks for having me. >> what kind of hit economically is the city taking? >> well we're still trying to assess that but already you can see that you know businesses
have to close by 10:00 p.m. because of the curfew so that means theaters restaurants, bars most of harbor place, all of harbor place is effected so we're going to be feeling this economic hit for a while. with the orioles not allowing fans in today, that's a huge hit. on a normal day, you would have 40,000 people downtown. >> your website has some pictures of local businesses devastated by monday's rioting. what are you hearing from these business owners? >> well you know they are very worried. some of them do not have enough insurance, so they are worried whether or not -- how they are going to rebuild. they've lost employees who are not going to be able to stick around and wait so it's going to be a rebuilding process and some of the neighborhoods where we saw the damage are going to have a hard time recovering. you saw the footage of mondawmin mall, it was very exciting when
they got a target a few years back. people wonder will target stay will businesses come back to that mall. >> yeah and we've seen images of cvs being trashed and that's a big corporation, but it wasn't always there, and then you know a lot of these stores that were affected the check cashing store, the liquor store, those aren't huge corporations. >> no, and that's where we're really going to feel it. in my neighborhood, a sneaker store was hit, they smashed the window you know threw everything around the store, they took things that owner of sneaky feets is wondering how he is going to come back as are many other small businesses. and baltimore is a city full of small business so we'll be watching this situation closely, you know for our readers, we cover greater business in the area. >> joanna thank you for being
with me. appreciate your time. >> thanks thanks for having me. up next the other major story this week unfolding at the nation's highest court. how divided are the justices on same-sex marriage? we're going to talk to the legal director of the nation's largest lgbt advocacy organization on "the rundown". unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. visit jubliarx.com for savings coupons. my cut hurts. mine hurt more. mine stopped hurting faster! neosporin plus pain relief starts relieving pain faster and kills more types of infectious bacteria. neosporin plus pain relief kills the germs. fights the pain.
and developing now on the same-sex marriage debate supreme court justices appear deeply divided on whether gay couples have a constitutional right to marry following yesterday's oral arguments. the decision isn't expected until some time late june but it could pave the way for same-sex marriage across the country, or leave the nation divided like it is now. some states permitting the unions, others outlawing them. sarah is the legal director for the human rights campaign the largest lgbt advocacy group in the u.s. good to see you. >> thank you so much for having me. >> talk to me about yesterday
and what you saw and what your take away was. >> well the supreme court spent a lot of time talking about the impact on children, and what was really heartening for advocates for same-sex couples to be able to marry is the court spent a lot of time really questioning the states on why they shouldn't be providing the same protections to the children of same-sex couples as they do for other types of families. >> yeah and something to highlight also this morning as chief justice roberts saying sexual orientation has nothing to do with this case but instead this is an issue of gender discrimination. what does that tell you? >> well his decision to ask questions about whether or not this is sex discrimination indicates that maybe he's thinking about siding with same-sex couples, having the access to marriage in addition it would pave the way for a
level of scrutiny. and that's where the court determined how important the reason the state must have for discrimination. if it is sex discrimination the court will have a very important reason to discrimination rather than just a rational reason. >> so these four states have brought this case to the supreme court. what are they asking for specifically? >> so the states would like to continue to enforce their bans on same-sex couples being able to marry and they don't want to have to recognize the legal marriages that took place in other states. now, the couples themselves have a variety of stories. jim, the lead plaintiff in the case, lost his husband to als and wasn't listed on the death certificate, you know really a strike at sort of the dignity of their relationship. parents from michigan want to make sure that the children that
they've adopted can be adopted by both of them and have the full protections the state offers to married couples. >> sarah, thank you for being with me appreciate it. we're going to keep a very close watch on this and will expect something by the end of june right? >> towards the end of june. it's always a little unpredictable with the courts. >> thanks so much great to see you. >> thank you so much. coming up we're going to head to the white house to get the very latest on what the president is saying about baltimore. stay with us on "the rundown". (mom) when our little girl was born we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru
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right by their kids if it's more likely those kids end up in jail than go to college. >> that was president obama answering a question from nbc's chris jansing at the white house tuesday talking about the unrest in baltimore and about the importance of education and opportunities for minority communities. the president will continue his focus on education today. in about 30 minutes he'll be honoring the finalists for this year's national teacher of the year. i want to go to the white house and senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, how are you, jose? >> great. you really got the president to expand in detail on the situation in baltimore yesterday. what more did he tell you? it was a long and very interesting answer. >> reporter: 14 minutes' worth, and he talked about baltimore, of course, which he said was part of a slow rolling crisis but after he spent so much time answering my question, i was talking to a senior white house official who had spoken to the president after that brief appearance in the rose garden and he said the point he wanted to get across of the six points
he made was really the sixth one, and that's a little bit of what you heard, which is the sort of bigger picture where we are in america now. he called for some soul searching among police departments, among communities, across the country, he says don't just pay attention when a cvs is looted or when a young black man gets shot or his spine gets snapped. for him, he wants to look at a bigger picture in some ways a legacy issue, how do we address those problems of poverty, of unemployment of lack of education, and so there are some people who will criticize him for that who would like to see him, for example, walk the streets of baltimore. he didn't do it in charleston ferguson, or stamford florida. and you talked about this earlier in the show jose some point he will go to baltimore, it's a bit of production while they are still trying to get things calmer there, but this is the president and what his philosophy is for addressing these kinds of issues that we seem to see, as he put it every
week or few weeks of these confrontations that in some cases have led to violence jose. >> chris jansing, great question and a very interesting, well thought out answer i thought, yesterday by the president. thank you for being with me chris. >> thank you. and that wraps up "the rundown" on msnbc. thank you for the privilege of your time. "news nation" with tamron hall is up next. i'll see you here tomorrow. building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. (music)
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the 10:00 p.m. citywide curfew remains in effect. last night, more than 3,000 national guard troops fanned out to enforce that curfew, and the police commissioner insists that's what helped keep the streets calmer. >> i think the biggest thing is that citizens are safe the city is stable we hope to maintain it that way. >> there were some groups that defied the curfew and clashed briefly with officers who responded by using pepper balls to disperse the small crowd, but there were only about ten arrests made last night. 200 were arrested the night before. while everyone waits to see if the calm holds for another night, people are still demanding answers about how presiesly freddie gray died. the report is expected to prosecutors friday with results of the internal investigation how gray suffered the fatal spinal cord injury while in