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into neighborhoods is in development. i think we have to show that. >> carl stokes we're out of time. thank you very much for joining us. joy reid thank you for joining us. i want to give the last listen to him getting tonight's last word. >> i didn't want it to look like a mess. i want it to look like it never burned down and i want it to look the way it was. good evening from outside of baltimore city hall at 11:00 p.m. eastern time. i'm chris hayes. we're an hour into the second night of a 10:00 p.m. on on curfew. an hour into it things seem to be peaceful. that is an hour of fairly post curfew peaceful. we saw a large march through the streets here. there have been very few reports of arrests or disturbances.
at this tour the big story is a piece published by the washington post in just the last hour. a piece that is sourced to a document of a police officer giving an account of an interview that he had with a prisoner. the prisoner unnamed in the piece but apparently telling the police officer athat he heard freddy gray banging against the walls, and that he was intentionally trying to injury himself. the prisoner who is currently in jail was separated bay -- by a metal partition and they could not see each other.
the prisoner could not be named because the person that provided it feared for the inmate's safety. saying he was trying to injury himself intentionally. this is something of a bomb shell. joining me now is a reporter here in baltimore that has been tirelessly reporting this story from the beginning. jane, and you have taken issue in our previous hour with a number of the items in the time line that were configured. jane are you there? >> how are you? >> i'm going to take that as a no -- oh hey, jane thank you for holding on here. so you what you laid out was just remarkably lucid, and as
you said just a few moments ago there is a lot of misinformation. i would like you to respond to this story and point out the places in which it would seem to conflict with things that you have reported yourself. >> this is no problem with my buddy at "the washington post." there is a search warrant that is written by a police officer. and this story has been around since the beginning of this incident and that is that freddy gray injured himself. we reported for some time that by the time that prisoner is loaded into that van, freddy grey gray was unresponsive. secondly we have no medical evidence that freddie gray suffered any injury that he could have injured himself by
banging himself against the van wall or door. that would require external injury that according to our reporting did not exist in the autopsy. so this is a piece of information that has been around from the beginning. the other thing is, because i can't stay on very long on april 23rd which is now seven days ago, the baltimore police commissioner told us that the second prisoner in the van gave an account that he heard virtually nothing coming from the other side of the van, and that the last part of that ride on which he was a part of it was a pretty quiet ride. so i did a story today that has to do with that critical fourth stop, which is the next to last stop before freddy gray was
taken to the police precinct unresponsive. and i noted there is a conflicting version of the account of that second prisoner but that the medical evidence supports a version, as we know it that this was not an injury that he inflicted upon himself. >> so i just want to be real clear here. you're saying that the document described in the article does exist and the document says what it is reported to have said. the issue is whether the account given in that document from an unnamed prisoner, as recorded by a police officer, is a credible or accurate description of what transpired that caused him to sustain his injuries. >> and it's the only version. >> that's right, so the three points -- >> there are conflicting
versions of what was said. >> and the three points to be crystal clear here one is that the second prisoner was loaded into the van after freddy gray was in the van for about 30 minutes, was only in for about five minutes, and when he was loaded in he was essentially incapacitated? >> correct. that's what we reported and the police commissioner said that that prisoner's account is that the rest of the ride of which he was a part the other side of the van was virtually quiet. >> and then the third point is that according to your sources and the reporting you have done the injury that would prove to be fatal is a sdwlur is not, at least from what you reported consistent with him injuring himself given the force of what caused the injury and the fact that there was no other injuries on his face or body that would
indicate that he essentially injured himself? >> that's correct. >> excellent, okay. >> thank you very much i very much appreciate you hanging on. jane miller from jwvl. doing great reporting on this. joining me now is msnbc correspondents correspondents, joy reid, it looks quiet and serine. >> yeah it is mostly police and reporters, drones still zooming overhead. things quieted down. there was a brief moment where young men who were involved in one of the protests that was festive when it got started. lots of music and chanting. as it started to break up there was a group of people a pretty
big group decided they would not go home or disburse. elijah cummings came out. he spoke about a measured response. we saw police officers that fanned out. they made a show of presence no clashes between police and protestors and the people out here. there was a squirmish that were between people who were out, but for the most part now, all quiet, things are back to what you would call a city with a curfew and military equipment rolling around. >> i want you to hang around and talk about what we just heard, i think jane was saying this document, we're aware of the documentary, it does exist. she points to some reasons in her reporting to be skeptical of the account that we have gotten.
and having reported we were together in ferguson when everyone wakes up tomorrow and sees the story, what will the reaction of folks fwoebe to this piece. >> when something like this happens, it is very dangerous. in a situation here in baltimore where folks are so angry about this case and about life in baltimore itself all of the institutional failures and all of this stuff, this will feel like another slap in the face. what did they smash first, his voicebox or spine? especially if they start believing it. they believe it is intentional and a cover up under way. >> joy, i want to be clear here my position is that i don't, like anyone else know what
happened to freddy gray. it can be that his death came about by no malicious actions by police. in violation to protocol he was not strapped into the van. that aside, it is possible that when we learn the facts they are exculpatory exculpatory, but we don't know, the investigation is sealed and leaks like this maybe confirm some of people's worst suspicions about what might happen. what do you think? >> yeah chris, file this under "from the office of unfortunate juxtapositions." today is the same day that we got the information that despite basically every reporter down here contrary to what we have believed, there will fwhot a release of information on friday. you have the authorities passing off information they have to the state and not releasing it to
the public. flow is a leak tonight that is essentially saying that he broke his own spine. and it is sort of -- you know clearly not planned, obviously. the authorities here have nothing to do with when "the washington post" decides to publish a story, but it is certainly bad timing. there is skeptical people out here about the idea that there will be a just result here and that police are not simply protect themselves. it is an unfortunate juxtaposition. i'll put it that way. >> it is strange. part of this, termane is the way the law enforcement bill of rights works here. and part of it has to do with the choices made internally. but compare what happened here to what happened with walter scott. they're obviously -- the video was so catalyzing but the state agency that came in to take over
the investigation was remarkably transparent with everything. they provided dash cam video. they gave their account, they released the 911. we the public and media, got all of the stuff right away. what you're seeing on the screen right there is basically the extent of what we have and combine that with jane miller's incredible reporting, and accounts from reporters working the story. for public presentations, that's part of what makes this case so frustrating for so many people. >> all of these cases are very different. in the walter scott case that evidence was very damming. and they were coming from ferguson. many would say the leadership was bungled every step of the way. every moment they could have helped the situation, they hurt the situation. hear we're in a funny territory. we heard a lot of police
spokesman, she doing a good job giving a sense of we're trying to work with you. lev he gives a good face to the department, but we don't know much more than we knew two weeks ago. >> and joy, you said it is troubling in the sense that -- i understand, you can understand wanting to maintain the sort of integrity of the investigation and being constrained by what state law says you can and cannot do. but there will be a perception that the long tler is not a public case made there will be a perception that the fix is it. >> and the one thing i would amend is that when we were down in north charleston we got the information that you're talking about from the local police.
once the state agency took over we got nothing. and u.s. attorneys and state investigative agencies they don't generally release this information because their investigations are on going. in north charleston we would go to the local police and then they would say talk to the state agency. it allowed the local agency to stop talking to us. i think in this particular case i think you will have a hard time doing what the mayor is now trying to do which is trying to get local people in authority to sell people on the idea that that friday deadline really doesn't mean anything. that will really be a tough sell now. >> thank you very much. all right, a very very surreal game played in camden yard today. history making in fact. we have pictures when we come back. plants only get water when they need
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is turning into a field of cash. fans are buying more than just hot dogs. the downtown harbor area is booming. >> it really has attracted people into the area. they stay around. they see the city is an inviting place and not just a massive shelter for the poor. >> when it was built in 1992 it was to be the crown jewel of a revitalized baltimore. in some days it really did work. it was widely hailed by fans and critics and it became emulated around the country. now it is much different, shinier, 23 years later. the other baltimore, west and east baltimore, the neighborhoods we have seen on the news have not faired so well. this weekend they came in
conflict with tense moments around camden yards. the orioles faced two postponed games, today they took a more novel approach. >> beautiful baltimore, downtown, a beautiful spring day. it is so pretty outside. >> they usually chant "let's go o's," but today, o meant zero which should have been a routine afternoon game against the white house sox, made history. >> it is unprecedented, and it is you know not ideal. we acknowledge that. the comfort of our fans and public safety are paramount concerns. >> fans watched and cheered from the gates. the team with major league
baseball made the call after days of civil unrest in baltimore. >> i think the people that rioted, it it wasn't the right thing to do but they made it clear that we need change here and hopefully that will happen. >> tensions ran high after a west baltimore man, freddy gray died in police custody. outside of the ballpark on sad, saturday protestors. >> fans held in the stadium. officials concerned about public safety. the next two games were canceled as riots raged in the city. some wondered if today's game should be played at all. other major league games have been moved. in 1992 in los angeles after the rodney king verdict, and in detroit because of rioting, but
never a game quite like this. >> when the players took the field this afternoon, they came out to this unprecedented sight. >> every day it is normal to hear the national anthem or to hear people screaming during it but nothing. >> it's not easy. the whole process is not easy. we need the game to will played but we need the city to be healed, first. >> they were supposed to play the tampa bay rays here this weekend, but they will play in florida. the vendors concession stand workers, and everyone else will have to wait to make a living. saturday evening after images of a few men breaking into a car and conflicts between fans and protestors were
plastered, the coo of the orioles took to twitter saying the innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excess sieve violence surveillance and other abuses paid the true price. pretty surprised to see that from a man to makes a living selling tickets to see the orioles. >> we were playing a game the lowest attendance was in the 18806s. >> 1882 six people.
>> and we will beat that record. >> the best you can make of a strange situation? >> yeah i think the city officials and the state of maryland major league baseball and the orioles attempted to come up with a good solution and there wasn't really any ideal solution so we're doing the best we can in light of the larger circumstances in the city. >> saturday they had a march, largely without incident until the end. there was conflict around folks who came down to camden yards for the baseball game. there was a picture of a young guy beating up a car, smashing windows. you say i'm upset about the car, but i'm upset about the conditions that produced the unrest that we're seeing. why did you write that? >> i think i wrote it because the perspectives on this issue
was multiple. i was concerned that the perspective would shift too far, too quickly to what was going on in an entertainment venue. camden yards is a great benefit to the city but at the end of the day it is entertainment and discretionary. what is more important is the discussion about every day people and their hivelives in a community. >> and you say a city that had a big blue collar base a industrial core. people were able to get jobs fairly easily. sustain a middle class life. there is under armour there. there is a fairly active harbor but a lot of that base is high school -- hollowed out.
you have what looks like a lot of cities where there are poor folks, and folks with money. >> hollowed out is a good word. it is a national phenomenon. baltimore is reflecting the nation's problem in that regard. 50 years ago the percentage of manufacturing jobs in this area was 30% to 40%. impact was much greater. you have 17 million jobs supported by the manufacturing jobs, and they have a higher wage premium attached to them. they benefit the nation as a whole because you can't trade services globally you can trade goods. manufacturing has always been key for cities like baltimore and cities around the country and it will always be key. the question is why is the system failed to keep in a in mind and how do we get that back on track so that we can
bring high paying long lasting jobs to people in baltimore and around the country. >> we'll use baltimore because we're in a lovely neighborhood. we have bars hotels ice cream shops in looks like if you go to the revitalized downtowns across america it looks like this right? >> that's right. >> that's the plan. the plan is like get high-tech entrepreneurs, yoga whole foods, bring in a class of people that are educated and hope that brings enough investment into a new place, but if you drive to west baltimore where we were yesterday, it doesn't look like it is reaching. >> that's right, it is sort of trickle down economics of the '80s perhaps. and in the early 80s and 90s, they were going through from hill, camden yards, they were
all controversial at the time. public referendums were fairly close or legislatures that were fairly close. because of the brave riry of politicians they were pushed through. the areas are safe. there is no crime problem here in these areas if you're a tourist if you live in a poor neighborhood, every study you look at the majority of crime is poor people on other poor people. not on middle class, wealthy, and elite. the problem is at the same time that tourism rejuvenation was going on on a national level the manufacturing base of the country was being gutted by globalization, off shoring, it takes a village, and all of the rest of that. that was a philosophy that became policy. i think if you look back on that 25 to 50 years now with
hindsight, and a lot of people thought that then has it worked? i don't think it worked at all. my grandmother worked at a factory called western electric. that was one of the many factories, automotive plants and none of them exist any more. it is easy to look across the city and say there are poor neighborhoods, why don't people work harder. people depending on your educational level only have some options. the manufacturing base has done away. the opportunity that my grandmother had, i don't see that today. and i think some of the people in these working class neighborhoods, they're working hard every day.
they're getting organized, you see them on television it's not a failing of theirs you need jobs. >> folks that sell concessions at camden are they out of luck today? >> i think that will be unfair. we need to make people whole. this is an extraordinary situation that hopefully never happens, you to solve the larger problem but you don't want people to pay the price. >> today a solidarity march for freddy gray in new york tonight. boys? stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. just one reason volkswagen is the
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in new york protests have been under way for much of the evening. some remember innocencing of the protesting in new york following the grand jury's decision in the eric garner case. some protestors carried off, according to law enforcement sources. more than of60 people were arrested tonight. the mayor urged protestors to keep things peaceful. joining me now is an msnbc reporter, what's going on there right no? >> good evening, chris, but have
been marching for hours now getting back to where it all started in union square. the police have been setting barricades to try to block people so they can't go out into the streets. you can tell the youthfulness of the group, they have been going at dead sprints at times to out run the police. there have been dozens of taken into custody around us. we saw a police officer who was throwing punches at someone in the crowd. it's been adversarial and tense. it started out very peacefully in union square this evening. we saw members of families that have loved one that's have been killed by police. we saw erica gardener, daughter
of eric gardner. they were thwarted by police. they came together in times square. they have passed just about every iconic part of manhattan tonight. we were in empire state building empire square doesn't seem like they will be letting up any time soon. >> nypd in the past have allowed folks in the street that wasn't the case tonight, right? >> exactly, it's not what we have seen before. many of the protest groups were shutting down the brooklyn bridge, they shut down lower manhattan in the fall. the groups made it only about half a block before they came in
front of the police which is a very different atmosphere than what we have seen. we're seeing so many running to try to outrun the police so they can take over the streets and block the traffic. >> amanda thank you very much. one of baltimore's most famous sons will join me and "the wire," the iconic show that the president recently praised. the show that makes people think they know baltimore, stick around. which means when they save, you save. they have smart online tools that help you find the right coverage. so you only pay for what's right for you. plus a personalized set of discounts you can take to the bank. cha-ching! that's insurance for the modern world. esurance, backed by allstate. click or call.
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>> hillary clinton was widely expected at her speech at columbia university to mention recent events in baltimore. she did more than that. lays out a vision of criminal justice reform that would mark a decisive break as both of husband and a democratic party as a whole? the past. >> it is time the end the era of mass incarceration. we need a true national debate about how to reduce our prison population while keeping our communities safe. today, there seems to be a growing bipartisan movement for common sense reforms in our criminal justice system. senators, as different on the political spectrum are reaching across the aisle to find ways to work together. >> rand paul did not quite
return the compliment. here is what he said. the very fact that the two of them are repeating over who will reform the criminal justice system the most is a testament to how much the politics on this issue has changed. joining me now is former chair of the congressional black caucus, great to have you here. >> thank you, it's good to be here. >> you represented the bill when the crime bill was in front of you. and when the national political discussion was more cops, more un pun itchment more jail what changed? >> we have more poverty and distrust. trying to do this in a flaws, they put some
stuff in it to sweeten it up -- was really not the answer. the core of all that you are seeing and that the nation is seeing is the fact that poverty, despair, homelessness, hunger, depravation, degradation continues in these communities. you can't box it in with a piece of legislation. >> here's the thing that's so strange about the last 20 years, is that in new york city where i'm from, in the bronx where i'm from, baltimore, the murder rate has gone down sharply, still very high in certain neighborhoods, gone down sharply. crime has gone down sharply. poverty hasn't gotten any better. >> no. >> so it allows the political system to say, well, we don't have to worry about it anymore. >> the political system likes washing its hands. the fact of the matter, poverty is increasing. unemployment in these communities in west baltimore where freddie was killed and most of the pockets around the city for black men, latinos and poor whites is astronomical. two, sometimes three times the national average. so i don't understand what's going on. i see where harry reid directed his staff to come back with some ideas about what to do with this issue. i'm trying to figure out where was that kind of thinking back seven years ago when my party, the democratic party, controlled the white house, controlled the senate, controlled the house of
representatives and you could have gotten anything through because you controlled the volts. harry reid, please, give mae break. >> do you think the democratic party has basically done wrong by the folks of sandtown win chester? >> i don't know if the party has done wrong. i think all of america has looked the other way and hoped that what we know and see day in and day out would either fix itself or go away, neither of which was going to happen. so it's a matter of talking the talk but not walking the walk. these communities -- people are not stealing because they want to be criminals. they're not walking away and setting cars on fire -- what they're saying is look at me, i exist, i'm not invisible. is it right? no, it's wrong. it's absolutely wrong. and it will be dealt with. that's why men have been all over the streets and i've been with a bunch of them for the last few days trying to talk this thing through. the community needs a conversation. but what they're saying is look at me, i exist. don't look away from me anymore. >> did you vote the wrong way on
the crime bill in '94? >> here's the thing about the crime bill in 1994, there was no vote. it was a voice vote. you didn't even have to be there. all in favor, aye, all opposed no, and that's how it passed. >> now uncontroversial the day was. more cops, three strikes -- >> 41 new categories for the death penalty. increase in the amount of money for prisons, decrease in the amount of money for prevention. >> that was just a unanimously held opinion across both parties. >> well, you know, when you have a vote and say all in favor, aye, all opposed no, and there is no roll call, you sort of sweep it under the rug and assume that everybody's going to support it. >> the law and order politics that have given us mass incarceration, many people point to nixon, particularly the watts riot, after king that happened in baltimore in 1968, detroit and other places as the starting point of that, right? >> mm-hmm. >> are we going to see a different trajectory come out of the kind of black lives matter movement we've seen over the last nine, ten months? >> well, let's go back over the last 47 years because when this
city erupted in 1968 and all of us were out in the streets being arrested just for being on your doorstep and arrested 6,000 people, what has changed in 47 years? you walk the streets of east baltimore, west baltimore, some of those areas still look like they looked in '68. you know, so the crime bill had its detractors, had those who supported it. did anything come out of it? well, it took the violence against women's act and drove it in because they knew everybody would vote for that, and they took several other pieces of legislation, but, you know, the fact of the matter is that when you control the house, the senate, and the white house for two years and you can't find a way to use the votes to do what you have to do, i got issue with that, i have an issue with my party and that respect. ain't party that is progressive and that takes the opportunity to do what it can. >> mr. mfume, thank you very much. that was well said. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> former congressman kweisi mfume. we will be back with barry levinson. bring us those who want to feel well
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>> can i help you, police open up. >> homicide open the gate. >> can you please bring information to the front gate? joining me now, barry levinson, i was talking to somebody who came up to me who wanted to talk to me about what i was getting wrong about baltimore. one of the things he said was people focus on race and there's a lot here that has to do with race but there's also the insiders and the outsiders, people who are from here, really from here, and people who aren't from here. i'm curious what you make of that distinction. >> you know, first of all, i just want to say i've been listening to the entire show. you've had some incredibly articulate people making some wonderful points this evening,
which i wonder where what i'm doing here because they've been sensational. the question you ask, look, i come from baltimore, i grew up -- it's in my dna and i've tried to show different aspects of baltimore in the films and in the homicide tv series. >> what is it about the city that's kind of lent itself to dramatic representation so well? >> it's a city of characters, really colorful character, and, you know, i hear those -- i hear those sounds and how they behave and how they talk and i've tried to, you know, bring that to television and to film over the years. and that's my background. you know, a lot of times when i'm, you know, going out to promote a film they'll say, you know, why baltimore? and i say, well, that's where i come from. i mean, those are the people
that i know and i hear and i try to depict different times in the films i've dealt with in the '40s, the '50s, the '60s, and of course "homicide," which was shot in real time during the '90s. but i just try to portray that i know something about. >> do you ever find yourself -- and i know i'm from the bronx and i'm -- i grew up in the bronx in the 1980s which kind of became this sort of national icon for urban decay and burned-out buildings, graffiti on subways, empty lots. it was the stand-in in people's imagination. people in the bronx still have a chip on their shoulder about that. they're very touchy about representations in the bronx. do you feel hike you have that or you think about that when you think about how you're representing the city? >> no. i'm first and foremost trying to think of characters that stood
out, that were strong in my mind, that i hope other people can relate to in some way. and i just use that as the building blocks to try to tell various type of stories. >> do you think that we are going to see more art made about baltimore -- obviously you and david simon have played really instrumental roles in bringing these things to the stream. do you think we're going to keep seeing representations of baltimore? >> i think, look, an entire new generation comes up that grew up in baltimore and they will have their own viewpoints and hopefully they'll be able to get their stories, you know, into film or on to vel television and they'll be telling it in their own way and in their own style. so i think there's a bit of a tradition of it. you know, and i think that should continue, hopefully. like john waters that grew up in another section, he was looking at it from his point of view from the side of the city that he came from. i was trying to portray it from another side. and there are a lot of young filmmakers that are coming up that have stories to tell and
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course. j.d., you're from newark, right? when you came down -- first of all, i want you to respond to what reverent bryant was saying. i've heard that from a number of people. their feeling that ultimately the feeling they had "the wire," that it's become so synonymous until everybody's minds with baltimore i know baltimore, i saw "the wire," they have a little bit of a resentment of it. >> i feel like people who take that view haven't taken time to watch the series. i think that the work that mr. fontana -- i'm sorry -- mr. simon did -- i max sawicky barry levinson so i'm thinking about tom fontana -- but that david simon did and all the other writers, the work that they did, they took the time to try not to paint that broad stroke he accused them of. he made sure he covered many different facets of people. there was not necessarily one good guy, one bad guy. you know, i think they try to make it as human as possible. so i can't personally agree with that even just coming from a critical standpoint.
>> the show was, when it was on, was relatively popular but not this huge sensation. then it became a -- this kind of cultural trove like people do feel like they know baltimore because -- is that how -- when they come up to you like -- >> every day, every day. i'm associated with "the wire." "the wire" never ended for any of us who were on the show because it's still such a part of the social consciousness but not just in the united states and baltimore but around the world. it's a great thing to still be a part of. so, yeah, people feel they know baltimore and i think unless you have been here and lived here for some time and are affected by the city, you don't know baltimore but "the wire" is a good way to start to have that conversation. like j.d. said, they went out of their way to make sure no one was painted all good or all bad.
if you take that from "the wire," even people on the streets who loved some of the street life aspects of it, if that's all they saw, i think they missed the point of the show. >> what are you doing down here? you're down here as a reporter, right? >> i am. i'm here reporting for vice hbo on what's going on here. e i'm from maryland and we got in the car and just came down about 40 hours ago. it's been like almost no sleep. it's been crazy. i got tear gassed last night trying to just show and depict what's been going on. it's wild. rubber bullets going everywhere. they were shooting at us and other press. it was wild. >> j.d., you're from newark, which is a city that has its own very intense experience of some of the same trends of the industrialization, police, high crime. you came down and you lived here in baltimore for a few years while you were taping, right? >> correct. the first year actually i was really excited to come down. i had been there since i had done had had, but i was all into just being away from home and working on a television show so
i rented an apartment down there the first year. that first year was something i tweeted about earlier today was the year i actually did get detained. i can't call it arrested. but i was detained for eight hours. that's a whole other story. be, that first year i went through the process of trying to get to know baltimore. it reminds me of home in that it's really historic, mostly black, has its own language and culture, just a lot -- there's a lot to it. the next year i decided to stay home because it was so much to try to learn and learn and squeeze into. by the third year i was used to baltimore and felt like it was a second home to me or a third home to me and i was able to go down this and actually find somewhere to stay that was a reasonable place. i actually stayed at fells point, where you were earlier. by the third year, i was used to baltimore, knew the spots. it felt like home. fourth year also stayed down. it takes a while to grow on you. you have to grow into the city.
>> all right. we're telling you go rewatch "the wire," study it this time. don't think you know baltimore. bodie and chris. in "the wire." thank you both. u >> excellent, my friend. well done. it is 0u9 0 on the east coast, we're an hour away from a mand tour curfew in the city of baltimore. in one hour from now people protesting, ordinary citizens, everybody not going to or from work or having a medical issue or working as press or law enforcement, everybody else will be asked and then told for a second night in a row to go home and clear the streets. law enforcement may use their discretion past 10:00 p.m. we expect they'll have a plan to handle any large groups of people who are still out a