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you think about what happened to freddie gray it's hard to escape responsibility for the police handling of it. >> no doubt about it and we certainly have learned, mika that we are going into a weekend here, there are a lot of questions that are remaining but law enforcement officers leaders in the white house, urging calm this weekend letting the process play itself out. >> the department of justice is carrying out an investigation as well so we hope for the best and we certainly will continue to cover the story and we'll do so straight ahead on msnbc. >> and thank you so much for having us here. we greatly appreciate it. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." "the rundown" starts right now as well as msnbc's continuing coverage of the baltimore situation. thanks so much, have a great weekend. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart on this first of may. breaking news on the bridge gate scandal and a busy day in federal court in newark new
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jersey, where moments ago david wild steen, a stormer ally to potential 2016 contender chris christie arrived. our sources say he's expected to enter a guilty plea this morning. he's the former port authority official who gotten a e-mail from former christie deputy chief of staff bridget ann kelly in august of 2013 who wrote "time for some traffic problems in fort lee." wild steen o responded "got it." next month, lane were shut down causing epic traffic backups in the town of fort lee new jersey. the democratic mayor claims this was political payback for not endorsing the reelection bid of the republican governor. christie has denied knowing anything about the lane closures and has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and fielded questions about the scandal again this week. week. >> that matter will take its
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natural course. it doesn't have anything to do with me so i don't think why you think i have to deal with it. i don't. >> here's a look at the gorge washington bridge from fort lee, new jersey. no traffic problems. msnbc's steve kornacki, host of up with steve kornacki follows this story from the federal courthouse in newark. steve, what's the latest? >> jose well, the lines are forming. the suspense is building we have been talking for weeks, for months really for over a year about when officially from federal prosecutors we would hear something about who would be charged, who would be prosecuted. today we'll start to get answers. it starts at 11:00 this morning. we've been told that thereby will be a proceeding on a criminal matter a proceeding of interest will be taking place and that will be david wildstein with a plea deal. the stop christie appointee. it's david wildstein who has asserted through his iran that chris christie had knowledge of
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those closures as they were playing out. and wildstein has further asserted through his lawyer that evidence exists to substantiate that. so this raises one of the questions we'll be looking at today is if federal prosecutors have cut a deal with david wildstein, does that mean they accept what david wildstein's lawyer said? that chris christie knew about this? that there is evidence that confirms that? that's one of the things to be looking at. the second thing is what else will be said? that hearing at 11:00, because what will happen is david wildstein l plead guilty to certain crimes. he will then be forced by the judge to detail his role in those crimes to detail the nature of those crimes so that is potentially when we will finally start to get at least one person's answer to the question that's been central toll this from the very beginning: why were these lanes closed? what was the motive? was this some kind of political payback? political vengeance scheme? those answers might start to come out in this hearing at 11:00 this morning and after
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that hearing at 11:00 the united states attorney for new jersey, the man whose office has been investigating this for over a year now, he will break his public silence, he will hold a press conference at 1:00 and it's expected that at that press conference the actual indictments will be announced. you think of the names that have been circulating for the last year or so in addition to wildstein, you have bridget kelly, bill brigestoneny. the question is who will be included? that answer expected at 1:00. >> steve kornacki thank you so much. we'll have much more on this breaking story at the half hour. i want to turn now to the other major story developing this morning. baltimore, the city is bracing for new weekend demonstrations surrounding the death of freddie gray and overnight things were quiet. that's led some including the aclu, to call for an end to the city's 10:00 p.m. curfew. police say that's not going to happen.
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happen. >> we still have a week end to make it through. i ask for your patience and understanding as we move through. we have two very large marches that will take place throughout the weekend and in a very short notice as i walked in i was told we have more protests popping up by the minute. >> while things have been calmer in baltimore, that's not the case elsewhere. protests in philadelphia resulted in clashes with police as they try to keep demonstrators away from a highway and all eyes are now on the state's attorney marilyn mose bi as she determines whether to charge the officers suspended following freddie gray's death. we're getting new information about what may have happened to him. for the first time the man that road in that police van is speaking out. in an exclusive interview with wbal investigative reporter jayne miller. he talked about what he saw and what he heard. >> when i got in the van i didn't hear nothing.
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it was a smooth ride. all i heard was a little banging for full seconds, you know what i mean? i'm thinking he's banging his head. whole time now i know what was happening. they did something to him, his body be wobbling back there, you know what i mean? because he can't hurt himself back in no paddy wagon. when we got to the police station they said he didn't have no pulse or nothing. >> reporter: also today, the baltimore sun is reporting that gray suffered a serious head injury inside that van, possibly from a bolt at the back of the vehicle. joining me now, trymaine lee from baltimore and associate professor at the john j. college of criminal justice, thank you both for being with me. trymaine, the information seems to keep leaking out. now the other man who road in the van with gray is speaking out. can we expect more of this while we're waiting for something official to come out? >> good morning, jose i think it's par for the course in these high-profile cases, wherever there's this vacuum of official information, be it from the state attorney's office, the prosecutor's office or the
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police, people who have all these different competing interests will fill that vacuum. i think that's what we have here. when the people in the communities aren't getting information from officials, rumors start to spread then you have the information leaking from the police department you have to assume from investigators. so, again, we've seen this time and time again. but it's also very dangerous. when we heard those initial reports about perhaps freddie gray attempted to harm himself and his injuries were as a result of what he did, that really kind of angered people in the community who said it simply didn't pass the smell test. >> peter, i want to ask you about the morning of april 12. we heard yesterday about this extra stop the police van made that investigators didn't know about. what does that say to you and what does it say about the whole investigation that there's a place van going to the police station, it takes an extra stop and nobody knew about it? >> i don't know what happened in the van, let me say that first of all, so i don't want to speculate too much about that.
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either something criminal happened or it was just a routine -- or a routine arrest. look there's tens of thousands of arrests in baltimore, most of them go fine, this one didn't. the fact that the van stopped, i don't know what to make of that. and the other prisoner who was in the van, the one interviewed by wbal he doesn't clear up the -- he says it was a smooth ride. obviously something happened. we still don't know what. >> yeah. and you know the fact that freddie gray wasn't secured in the van, that's an unusual thing, right? there are some protocols that officials have to follow when they are transporting someone in a police vehicle to the police station. >> look, one of the cardinal rules of policing is that the prisoner is your responsibility. so unfortunately, in some ways it doesn't matter -- it would matter for criminal intent but it doesn't matter what happened in the van. the guy came in alive and he
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left dead. a prisoner is your responsibility. you're handcuffed you don't have control. the wagon has hard benches, hard corners. that's why -- you have to be seat belted in and usually people are. so if he wasn't belted from and this is a result of that then you've got a problem if you're the wagon driver. >> trymaine, the obama administration administration announcing a $20 million body camera pilot program. how do people you've talked to tell you that would or would not play a part or make a difference. >> well, i think not here -- just here but across the country the call that you hear loudest is that they want police accountability. well, first they want police to stop killing civilians. but it's also about police accountability. so especially with this latest string of cases when they've all been captured on some video or another and people have a good glimpse in how these interactions can turn horribly wrong, you know people think that it could add another layer
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of accountability so that when something does go wrong, at least folks will have an opportunity to actually engage with some of that evidence from their own eyes. >> and it's still too early to be able to determine what exactly did happen. how freddie gray died. was it because something police did or didn't do? trymaine lee and peter moskos thank you so much for being with me. coming up on "the rundown," i'm going to talk to my colleague reverend al sharpton. but i'm just getting started on this mayday edition of the rundown with clear skies except for the small patch near north carolina's outer banks. one person feeling the heat hillary clinton under fire with the release of thousands of pages of benghazi documents. i'll have those details next and also traffic flowing freely at the george washington bridge as we get much more on the unfolding top story we have for you today. governor chris christie's associates under fire for the
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bridgegate scandal. those stories and more on this friday edition of the rundown. >> prior to bridgegate your national popularity somewhere in the 40s, high 40%. after bridgegate nationally about 28%. in new jersey prior to bridgegate, in the upper 60s, some people say the 70s. after bridgegate, 35%. that's a big hit. >> sure it is. matt, if they played as many negative things about you as was played about me intensely over and over again it's going to affect anybody. but that's in the past. hello! this little beauty here is top-of-the-line. see, you just pull like this to go left. and like so to go right. where are the brakes? uh, just grab ahold of both and pull straight back. and the "whoa!" is optional. you wouldn't buy a motorcycle without handlebars. no thanks. and you shouldn't ride a motorcycle without geico insurance. roadside assistance, 24 hour service, great rates. geico motorcycle. see how much you could save.
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and now to washington and right now congressional investigators are poring over thousands of new documents headed over from the state department. the papers are from the department's open investigation
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into the 2012 attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. but the state department is essentially saying "nothing see here." insisting known facts won't change. but this morning congressman trey gowdy, the head of the house committee investigating benghazi, says they're moving forward. the committee has called former secretary of state hillary clinton to testify the week of may 18 but gowdy is saying he might drop requests for clinton's independent e-mail server. let's get to luke us arerussert in washington. luke, good morning. >> good morning, jose. >> trey gowdy is saying he might drop the inquiry over the e-mails? >> well, that's what the headline is but there's a little more to it. what goudey is saying and, remember, he's a former federal prosecutor from south carolina, is that he'd be willing to drop the further inquiry into the e-mails and his desire to have an independent thirty party review secretary of state's server is secretary clinton was
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willing to testify under penalty of perjury that she had given over everything that she was legally required to give over regarding the investigation in benghazi. so it's a fairly high threshold. essentially what gowdy is doing here is saying "look, i'll take your word for it if you're legally willing to go under oath and suffer any of the repercussions that could occur if in fact you were lying under oath." so it's a high threshold and high bar for secretary clinton to agree to but if there is nothing else presumably she would, in fact take that deal because it would stop according to gowdy further investigation into what was a difficult episode for her during her time at state, jose. >> luke russert in washington. thanks. >> take care. >> i'm going to bring in ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico ken, good morning. >> good to be with you, jose.
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>> in addition to the benghazi and private e-mails, there's donor problems and the clinton foundation which is more problems for hillary clinton's campaign, no? >> this is not going away. obviously this "clinton cash" become by peter schweizer has really brought it to the fore it's resumed sort of -- increased the media scrutiny of these relationships with donors who republicans allege got favorable treatment from hillary clinton at the state department as a result of their donations to the foundation. what we found is looking at the other side. looking at the foundation that these are hurting the foundation which was supposed to be a strength for hillary clinton headed into a presidential campaign and for her family's political legacy it's not working out that way at all. >> and how much talk is there among hillary's strategist that former president bill clinton should scale back his role in the foundation because he's clearly the guy who was out there, he's the face of it, the
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image, a big magnet in a draw. >> yeah that's right. he really built this foundation from just a handful of employees in little rock and new york to this sprawling $2 billion international enterprise with thousands of employees around the world and it's largely about him. and both chelsea clinton and hillary clinton joined it in recent years but it's still kind of bill clinton's baby and there's some suggestion by his continued involvement in it his continued fund-raising for it his continued hosting of meetings including one coming up next week in marrakech, morocco morocco, it's going to continue the scrutiny of his relationships with these donors including some who are going to continue to be involved like the ukrainian oligarch victor pinchuck and canadian mining mogul frank giustra. they at the center of donations for access.
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bill clinton is very close to them and some folks who i talked to in the clintons' inner circle want him to step back from these relationships and step back from the foundation. they say if he doesn't it's an invitation for continued scrutiny during hillary's presidential campaign. >> you said it was $2 billion? >> that's right. $2 billion is how much the clinton foundation has taken in over the years from donors around the world foreign donor, foreign governments, domestic donors including many who will be supportive of hillary clinton's presidential campaign. so there, too, you have this overlap that is kind of discomfiting to democrats and is seen as an appealing target to republicans. >> and quickly switching topics i'm sure you're watching what's happening in new jersey with bridge gate. how closely are donors watching it? >> chris christie spent a lot of time early on last year when the presidential field was just taking shape trying to reassure donors there is going away i've
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got this under control, nothing more is going to come out. you see from the news this continues to be out there. continued revelations and i think it's something that a lot of donors are worried about. particularly when there's so many other potentially strong candidates in the republican field like a jeb bush or a marco rubio that occupy a similar place in the political spectrum to chris christie. he's losing ground and donors to these other rivals and if he's unable to put this behind him and if it goes away if it doesn't go away which seems unlikely, it's going to really hinder him. he's kind of plotting a late surge, letting others get out there in an aggressive way but the whole plan is predicated on coming out strong. that will be a problem if bridgegate is still hanging over him. >> politico's ken vogel, thank you so much. >> thank you, jose. first, more stunning rescue images out of nepal where the death toll from last week's
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earthquake has topped 6,000. and a live look in chicago. nbc news confirming the windy city will be home to the next presidential library. and later, a dream weekend for sports fans across the country. the fight of the century they're saying on saturday night. and just hours before that it will be the run for the roses. we're live from churchill downs in louisville coming up on "the rundown." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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developing now overseas a touching scene in the midst of devastation. a four mold baby pulled from the rubble of nepal's earthquake earlier this week was reunited with his mother yesterday. the infant survived 22 hours trapped in the wreckage of his family's home. it's a miracle. spared from any major injuries. the reunion comes as the death toll from the earthquake tops 6,000. nbc's miguel almaguer is in kathmandu. >> reporter: we're coming to you from well outside of kathmandu.
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not far from the epicenter of this 7.8 earthquake. this area is really a representation of so much of this country. two-thirds of this region is farmland. this is where many say humanitarian aid and government help has been slow to reach. in some areas here the stench of dead bodies and animals is a clear sign of how much work there is still to be done. while villagers are pleading for more help, the death toll in this country now nearly a week since that massive quake has spiked above 6,000. one government official tells nbc news it could reach 15,000. in all, this quake has affected some 2.8 million people. some 6 600,000 homes have been damaged or destroyed. the country's finance minister says this nation will need over $2 billion just to start rebuilding. there's so much rubble here many communities are still a broken-brick city debris piled two, even three stories high.
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in communities like this one, there has been criticism that help has been late and slow to arrive, many saying they are doing what they can to reach these areas, but villagers telling us not enough is being done. >> miguel almaguer thank you so much. a developing story out of chile, the calbuco volcano erupted again for the third time yesterday, spewing even more ash into villages already struggling to clean up from last week's eruptions. the concern now is rain. it's expected to hit the area today. that could create volcanic mud. crews continue digging ditches for water runoff to prevent potential devastating mudslides. more than 4,500 people have been evacuated since the volcano started showing signs of activity. up next david wildstein, the former port authority official and former chris christie ally expected to enter a guilty plea for his role in the bridgegate scandal.
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northrop grumman. we continue to follow breaking news on the bridgegate political payback scandal. within the last hour one of the central figures in the controversy, former chris christie ally david wildstein arrived in newark federal court. he's expected to enter a guilty plea for his alleged role in the monumental 2013 traffic backups by the george washington bridge and indictments could also be handed up today as well. msnbc's aliyah fruman joins us today. >> reporter: starting at 11:00 a.m. we're expected david wildstein, governor christie's top aides, former port authority
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official to come in. he's supposed to testify, he's supposed to enter a guilty plea and also enter into a plea deal. the investigation, however, has been very hush-hush so exact details remain to be seen. then at 1:00 the u.s. attorney's office is going to hold a press conference. that's when we could see names of potential allies of governor christie's indictments could come down. so what we'll -- we could potentially see bridgette anne kelly's name. she, of course is governor christie's former top ade who sent that infamous e-mail "time for some traffic problems in fort lee." this timing couldn't be worse for governor christie as he really pursues a 2016 presidential bid. governor christie has brushed off these concerns today saying it has nothing to do with him. governor christie however, is not in the state today. he's actually in virginia holding an event for his political action committee.
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>> aliyah frumin thank you very much. we'll head back to newark in the next hour. turning back to bat blor the decision to charge any of the six officers suspended following freddie gray's death is in the hands of the state's attorney marilyn mosby, but a key piece of the investigation is the timeline. starting at 8:46 a.m., that's when gray was arrested. gray was arrested here. then at the first stop he was shackled but put back in the van and previously undisclosed stop outside the grocery store was the second stop. at a third stop, the van's driver called for another officer to check on gray. then a fourth stop to pick up a second prisoner. at 9:24 a.m., a medic was called to the police station. 21 minutes later gray was taken to shock trauma. he died a week later. nbc's ron allen is live for us in baltimore. ron, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose how are you today? >> very good. there's still some very big questions remaining about what
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happened that morning. >> well, the biggest questions are perhaps what happened during those stops, the second and third stop. one of those stops just being revealed by police yesterday based on evidence they gathered during the investigation and the pictures of that stop are seen by a private security camera, not one of the police surveillance cameras nibdsin the neighborhood somewhere which has raised questions in the community about why didn't the officers involved in this incident tell you about that earlier? be that as it may, what happened in the stop that caused the driver to stop the van and what later caused him to call police to call police to look at his passenger, his prisoner. all of that is essentially the focus of the investigation because that appears to be where something went wrong. where have mr. gray was apparently injured in a way that caused so much distress that the officer stopped the van and called for other officers to help inspect what was going on
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in the van. that's apparently where he had this injury that then led to his death a week or later at the hospital. and the police have not revealed a lot of information about exactly what happened there. a lot of people thought that the injury occurred when he was arrested and on the street and with the two officer there is over him with his hands cuffed, with with a knee or foot of their body at some point on his back. but it's our understanding that the injury occurred while he was in the van, apparently jostled, tossed around by the movement of the van, unsecured in the back of the van. that's the focus of the investigation. that's the big question, jose. >> ron, it's now in the hands of the state attorney right? >> exactly. an interesting situation, this is a very young relatively inexperienced prosecutor who's just been on the job since being recently elected. she's 35 years old, a mother of two young churnildren perfectly
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competent, described as being very aggressive and very determined and supported by a staff of very experienced people around her she has assembled to take this on. a statement she released yesterday said something to the effect of "we have and we continue to leverage the information received by the department. we're not relying solely on their findings but rather the facts that we have gathered and verified. we ask for the public to remain patient and peaceful and to trust the process of the justice system." of course, people are running out of patience. it's been a couple weeks now since this happened and a lot of people can't understand why you can't just talk to the officers involved and explain to the public what happened. of course there's a process, these officers have rights they have the presumption of innocence and so this is going to take some time but the bottom line is that the focus is on what happened in the van, why -- and beyond that why gray was arrested in the first place and it's going to take some time.
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these investigations take weeks, months if not longer and, again, at this point we have seen patience in the community for the most part. the curfew for example, last night passed. things were peaceful. i don't think there were any significant number of arrests if any. we were on the streets and things were very very calm and peaceful and the hope is that continues because this investigation will take some time. jose? >> ron allen in baltimore. thank you very much. also developing this morning, the justice department is announcing a $20 million program, a pilot program, the vast majority of it dedicated to buying body cameras for police departments across the country. the move is one of the most significant actions to come out of washington in addressing the causes of police-related violence and the unrest that followed. it's also pretty rare as the "national journal's" lauren fox wrote this week "at every turn in these situations politicians urge peace. president obama takes a stand and congress holds hearing. then outside of a task force, nothing happens."
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lauren fox joins me this morning. good morning. >> governor romneyod morning, how are you? >> did this announcement give you hope that there may be action to come from this? >> this is a very significant step and something congress has been holding hearings on and discussing pretty broadly for a long time republicans and democrats have come out in support of instigating some kind of body camera system throughout the country in order to keep these sort of police violence incidents at least from being able to be discussed and being able to be shared publicly. i think that's been one of the issues here is communities don't understand what has been happening and they can't look to see exactly what has been happening and i think that's sort of -- it's hard to bridge trust in communities when that's sort of the case. >> and can you put $20 million in context as far as a national impact it may have? >> well certainly it's a significant amount of money but it's not a significant amount of money to provide every police officer in the united states of
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america with a body camera. i think that that's important to remember. certainly there plight be other departments who aren't part of this pilot program that find in the their own best interests to sort of also catch up and get body cameras. so this might spur a movement in local communities as well as the federal level. and i think that's something that maybe the obama administration is hoping happens here is you know, if these start to be successful in certain communities, maybe it will be helpful and used as a model elsewhere. >> it's certainly a very important step that hasn't been taken in the past. >> it definitely is new. >> lauren fox, good to see you, thank you. >> thank you. up next, perfect spring weather expected for the biggest event in horse racing. american pharaoh emerges as the kentucky derby favorite but the horses starting the run for the roses from the worst possible position. we'll have the details from churchill downs next. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables
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what a big week end in the world of sports. the nfl draft, the big boxing match and the most exciting two minutes of sports, the 141st running of the, the race for the triple crown, something we haven't seen in 37 years. with me is nbc's sports donna brothers our resident triple crown analyst. how are you, donna? >> i'm well, jose, how are you? >> i'm enjoying that weather you have back there. you also donna, have a great unique perspective on the race interviewing the winning jockey on their horse after the win. what can we expect this year? >> yeah well i'm not sure if i'm going to interview so i have to be prepared for any eventuality. but i have to say it's a great -- i think it's the best seat in the house. i'm probably biased because i like to ride horses but to be able to ride up next to the jockey who's just won the kentucky derby and as i always say it means something to anybody who wins it. to capture that
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emotion, it's ntucky derby to capture that emotion, it's contagious. is. >> we were just talking about the weather behind you. it's beautiful u. how is it for race day? >> i have a little bit of a jacket on right now because it's a little cool this morning but we're expecting a high of 72 degrees today and then tomorrow for the kentucky derby a high of 76, maybe 74 or 75 but either way sunshine no rain it's going to be beautiful. we're very excited about that. >> donna, why aren't you on a horse right now? we should be interviewing you on a horse running around the whole area. >> well, right now the track is closed so -- >> yeah, that's why. >> but if i was on a horse i would haven't anywhere to go. you've heard of all dressed now where to go? i'd be all mounted up. >> tell me about your favorites. it's a big, big first race. >> yeah you know you know how
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linguistically they say two negatives make a positive right? so i think in the case with baffert's entries, he's got the two favorites, i think in this case two positives might make a negative. i think they might cancel each other out a bit. american pharaoh is so good and dortmund is so good that if american pharaoh gos the rider on dortmund almost has to go. same with the other scenario if dortmund goes, victor espinoza will have to go on american pharaoh. i think there's the possibility they're the only two horses that can beat each other before the eighth pole. of course, that's just a possible scenario. if that happens, a couple of the horses i'm looking out for are carpe diem who breaks from the two post or also firing line with jockey gary stevens aboard. >> who's on carpe again? >> carpe diem will be ridden by johnny valasquez, one of the leading riders in the nation. >> don thatna brothers, thanks for
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being with me. >> thanks for having me. i wish you could join us. >> i'm looking forward to the hats and stuff tomorrow. >> yeah, that too. >> and there is a little celebration going on there, just separate from the horse race a little bit? >> yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on. they've got mint juleps tailgating on the backside hat contests, fashion contests celebrities, i think some of those celebrities come for the event, i don't think they know any of the horses but there's a lot to see. it's a great day. >> kind of like me at the billboards yesterday. i was there and i didn't recognize half the artists because they're so new and i'm so old. but i'm still celebrating it. donna, thank you. great to see you. >> that would be me, jose. you and i would have to have people with us identifying. >> good to see you, take care. by the way, another major sports story straight out of florida. former florida state university quarterback jameis winston is a tampa bay buccaneer.
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he was the top pick. the buccs cleared him of sexual assault allegations. he spent the night at home in alabama and did not attend the draft. meanwhile, overseas a developing story out of iran today, the u.s. navy will accompany american ships in and around the persian gulf after several recent incidents of harassment by iranian patrol boats. defense officials say the iranian vessels surrounded an american cargo ship in a "threatening manner" just last week. the area is heavily trafficked by commercial cargo boats. after months of speculation, nbc news can confirm today that president obama's official library will be built in chicago, possibly connected to the university of chicago. new york city where the president went to college and hawaii where he grew up have also been floated as possible sights for the library. an official announcement of the decision is expected later today. and back to developing news out of baltimore now where police and community leaders are bracing for new protest this is
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weekend surrounding the death of freddie gray, but the impact is being felt far beyond the streets of charm city. peter alexander has more. >> what had been a day of largely peaceful protests in philadelphia demonstrators briefly clashed with police late thursday as officers tried to keep them from turning on to the highway. it was just one of many protests in baltimore and cities around the country overnight. as halt boar police this morning are facing additional scrutiny after a stunning admission. the van transporting freddie gray made a previously undisclosed stop here outside a small grocery store. the new stop police officials now say, coming to light from video discovered from a private surveillance camera. the revelation raises more questions about what happened to 25-year-old freddie gray while he was in police custody. state's attorney marilyn mosby is conducting an independent investigation and reviewing the updated time line as to whether
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any of the six officers involved should face criminal charges. gray was arrested here then he was shackled and put back in the van. the previously undisclosed stop outside the grocery store was the second stop. at a third stop, the van's driver called for another officer to check on gray. then a fourth stop hire to pick up a second prisoner. wbal investigative reporter jayne miller. >> by the time the van makes that stop to pick up that prisoner, our sources tell us mr. gray was unresponsive. >> reporter: that second prisoner donta allen says he never saw gray and was put in a separate compartment in the van and didn't know there was another prisoner inside until he briefly heard him. >> it was a smooth ride we went straight to the police station. all i heard was like a little banging for about four seconds. >> reporter: the van then drove to its final destination, the western district police station where paramedics were called to treat gray. still unclear, exactly what caused gray's death. >> we are aware of what's in the autopsy and the autopsy contains no evidence that mr. gray was banging his head on his own
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against anything. >> peter alexander, thank you very much. breaking news we're just learning this over our newsroom on msnbc that the state attorney mosby, will be holding a press conference regarding freddie gray today at 10:30 a.m. eastern time. that's 7:30 pacific. we'll, of course, have that information for you. but up next the star-studded billboard latin music awards last night right here in miami. look at them all celebrating. that's enrique iglesias, jennifer lopez sat down with natalie morales. natalie was speaking spanish everywhere last night. natalie spoke with j low-lo moments after her tribute to late singer selena. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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i want to take you to brooklyn, new york. these are live pictures. we don't have much more than what we're seeing on camera but we wanted to share this with you. it's a trench rescue happening in bean street in brooklyn new york. looks like they are getting someone out of what appears to be an incident an accident that they've been working, the fdny has been working for some minutes now and you can see the amount of rescuers involved in this. they brought someone out from a trench or a hole apparently a construction job. this is happening in bean street in brooklyn new york live. and they just brought this person right out. i mean you saw it right here on "the rundown," and looks like they have an i.v. going, see that right in the center of your
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screen? so, there is some medical work being done on this person who just was brought out from what appears to be a hole or a trench or something that he or she may have fallen into. they are working on this right now. this is happening, as i say, in brooklyn, new york. apparently construction site. the call came shortly before 9:00. there you see them they are transporting the person out of what appears to be a construction site, and they are going to, obviously, take him to some hospital as this continues. lot of fdny have been involved on this since about 9:15 this morning, about 45 minutes ago or 40 minutes ago. and anyway just wanted to kind of bring that to you, because it's happening right now. extraordinary men and women of the fdny. now i want to talk about several huge events that are unfolding on "the rundown." just an hour from now, the legal fallout from bridgegate begins
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with an ex-chris christie ally expected in a newark court. and breaking news out of baltimore, marilyn mosby will be holding a press conference regarding freddie gray at 10:30 a.m. eastern time today. plus the world is watching the great kate wait. royal baby number two, now considered overdue. you know, we on "the rundown," we don't even sleep we're so worried about this story. we just keep -- why aren't we in london covering this? that's what i want to know. this is really important stuff. we're going to have it for you from london next.
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results of the police investigation into freddie gray's death. we're also learning more about gray's arrest. that includes this exclusive interview with wbal investigative reporter jane miller, with the man that rode in the police van with gray. >> when you got to the district did you hear a conversation among the police officers? >> no. when i got to the police station, i heard them saying well gave them a run for his money, basically saying they did something to him, man. >> what did you take that to mean? >> did something to him. people can take it how they want to take it. when people say they give a run for their money, either did something to them you know physically or mentally that was wrong. >> good morning, what are we expecting this morning from the state's attorney's office? >> unclear at this point, but it's clear there's a lot of
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pressure on this state attorney mrs. mosby. she's fairly new into the office and there have been calls around the country for a special prosecutor to be put in place for situations just like this because they say the relationship between the prosecutor's office and the police are often just too intertwined. so again, she's only been in office about five months. her husband is actually the councilman in the ward where freddie gray was arrested and where he may have well have suffered the soon to be fatal injuries, so again, it's unclear what she'll be saying but it's clear the pressure in this situation is mounting. >> and there's so much coming out from what is a sealed closed investigation result that was handed over to the state's attorney's office. all these little bits and pieces that are coming out. we don't really know officially what is in that report. >> that's right, jose. it's kind of par for the course in the high profile cases where when there's a vacuum of information coming from the
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leadership police or otherwise the people will fill it in some way or another, then you have competing interests. clearly law enforcement offices leaking material to the press, you have a community getting in the gap of information will fill it in because anxiety, emotion, anger is so high so folks are shifting and tinkering the narrative, but also very dangerous. when you heard those initial leaks about freddie gray possibly injuring himself, that seeded the ground for folks on the street who said something about that just doesn't sound right, doesn't smell right, and again, in these very volatile situations, it only throws things into further chaos and distress. >> thank you for being with me. and joining me now on the phone, actually, reverend al sharpton the host of "politics nation" on msnbc. thank you, reverend for being with me. >> thank you. >> we're expecting a news conference it could happen in about 29 or 30 minutes from now from the state attorney's office. what do you expect to be hearing
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this morning? >> well i think, and i spent the day yesterday in baltimore with the leadership meeting, and i think that it was made clear that when the mayor spoke to our summit that they are not going to probably be announcing any conclusions, but only a transfer of the evidence from the police investigation to the state prosecutor. so i don't know that we're not going to hear much more than a clarity on what has happened. at the same time she can take that evidence and move forward and say i have enough to make charges, i have enough to make arrests, or i want to go through the evidence and do my own independent investigation. so she could run the gamut either side of that jose. let's not forget in north charleston with the scott case the mayor and the police chief saw the video and arrested that
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policeman and charged him that day without a long investigation. let the d.a. decide later, so she has the ability to do either. the question is what she's going to do. my guess is she's going to talk about a transition and that she's doing her own investigation. that's all that i got on the ground in the leadership meetings and all. but that doesn't mean that's all she could do. >> reverend it seems like there's always such a disconnect between, you know people on the ground, people who are affected and who feel disenfranchised, and don't really necessarily, i don't know understand the judicial system and the way it works. it's almost like there's a disconnect between how the system has been set up to make it be objective and fair and what people's expectations are about information that system should be giving us. >> well i think you're absolutely right, and i think that therein lies the tension,
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because i think it's set up in a way where the people are shut out and the information, therefore, is spoon fed through leaks and all kinds of contrived things. and i think therein lies the tension that is built up. when it explodes the people are being irresponsible and no one ever addresses the systemic inequality and unfairness and lack of transparency in the criminal justice part of that system. and that's where activists and advocates like me come in and say, wait a minute yes, we need to have nonviolence and peace, but we need to deal with the structural problem, otherwise we're only going to go to this again. and all of this going from city to city incident to incident should only expose a problem structurally, otherwise we're going to be like hampsters running from one tread mill to the other chasing our own tails.
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>> also reverend i think there's a responsibility of elected officials, elected officials in the areas that are going through these incidents to be forthright to be open to be clear, to be proactive in letting us know exactly what is being done what is not being done and what we should and could expect. it's something we should expect from our leaders, and i'm not sure that a lot of times they step up to that level. >> well the surprise of what you said is that's probably what they were elected for. i mean i think what you say is exactly what they were elected for, to represent the people in the system not represent the system to the people. and when the people don't have an understanding and when the people have expectations that are unreal that's in part their job. that's part of what i said at the summit we called yesterday. is if there's confusion, who's
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supposed to bring the clarity? you are. other than that then why is somebody electing you? it's like you are hiring an electrician and he comes to the house and tells you how dark the house is. that's why we have you here to cut the light on. >> that's exactly right, and yet as you said sometimes they are not clear as to who pays their paycheck and why they are getting paid and what they are supposed to be doing for us. >> absolutely. i'm so dismayed when i see people in the congress that go to washington and forget the people sent them to washington. washington didn't send them to the people or to the state legislative houses and that is why people need to organize to fire people that forget they work for them. they are not working for those that you sent them to to represent you. >> reverend sharpton always a pleasure to speak with you. thanks for being on. >> thank you jose. i want to bring in maryland
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state delegate keith haines. good morning. >> good morning, good morning, jose. >> we had an interesting chat with the reverend and about public officials and their responsibility with us. and i think, keith, that when you have something like this happen in your community, i think it's incumbent upon everybody, especially the elected officials, to really be clear as to what we need to know and that you all are really working for us and to let us know what we can expect and also what we cannot expect. >> well i think you're absolutely right jose. and let me first preface that by saying that a lot of it comes down to information that is available, information that can be disseminated and doing it in a expeditious way so individuals don't have a sense of expectation, a false sense of expectation, that has been given to them. number one. let me simply say as a practicing attorney here in this
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city, as well i have for the last week week and a half knowing the process, have been communicating with people in my district that i don't believe that when friday comes, which is today, that we're going to get the tell all and actions going to be taken because that's not where the process is. because it's going to move to the state's attorney who will first of all review the information from the police department and also continue her own investigation and make that decision on what to do at the end of that. that is a process and so you have to give people accurate information in order to make sure that the expectations they have are in line with what can actually happen. as an elected official you're absolutely right, i think one of the things that we have to do is to communicate and do that on a broad level with as much accurate information that is available so that individuals know what's going on. one of the key things that you have to remember though is
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that there has not necessarily been -- put it in layman's terms, a boat load of information to disseminate among our constituents and across this city as well. and so we're able to provide as much as we know. and very recently that has started to come forward. >> and mr. haynes i want to say how important it is what you've been doing, and the fact is you're not only a state delegate, you're also an attorney, you know the process that is involved in something like this legally through the justice system. and i think what you're doing, the role you're playing is so important, because we need to know. we're not all experts. we're not all in government. we're not all attorneys like you are, and so just to be told what we can expect and what we cannot expect. so talk to me about what could happen and what we could find out in about 25 minutes at this first news availability that the
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state's attorney has since she received the police investigation results. >> well jose i would suspect we're not going to receive in-depth facts about this case. i think that this is probably going to be the first press conference. i would anticipate it would be pretty much logistical and as far as information is going to come forward. logistical meaning the fact that the police have completed their investigation, turned over those facts for review to the state's attorney and that she will probably announce that she is conducting her own investigation and that this is going to take some time as well as we have to remember, there are two other investigations from the federal level that are ongoing, as well. the fbi's investigation and the department of justice. and so i think we will -- she will probably lay that groundwork as to where things are in her office and probably i
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would not expect a time table of when this investigation will conclude and what decision will be rendered at the end of that investigation, because it's a moving target. and people at the very least people need to know that so that their expectations are in line with where the process is. problematic, it's problematic when that doesn't happen. >> and maryland state delegate keith haynes thank you for being with me and clearing it up. i really appreciate everything you're doing and how you are letting us know what exactly we can expect. appreciate your time sir. >> thank you. thank you. coming up, at the podium we're expected to hear from marilyn mosby in just minutes, about eight or nine ten minutes from now. here's a live look how traffic is shaping up on the george washington bridge rush hour just about ending on the east coast, but things about to get started in the federal courthouse in newark.
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and we have breaking news out of baltimore. 10:30 eastern time we're expecting to hear from baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby live, freddie gray investigation, we'll, of course bring that to you. microphones are all set up so that could happen in about 15 minutes from now. also breaking news in the bridgegate scandal. next hour, david wildstein,
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former ally to chris christie is expected to plead guilty. he and former christie administration officials were allegedly involved in the political payback plan to cause massive traffic backups in the town of fort lee, new jersey. the mayor said it was because he wouldn't endorse governor christie's re-election bid. access lanes were closed for several days in september 2013. >> fort lee traffic is a nightmare. the gw bridge is totally gridlocked. >> we're getting calls from irate motorists. >> you are aware the town is a total gridlock right? >> no emergency vehicles will be able to get through. >> in addition we're expected to hear from u.s. attorney about indictments related to the scandal. i'm joined now by nbc news political editor mark murray and abby huntsman. good morning. the governor insists he had no
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knowledge of this. if that's true what does it say about his leadership? his closest advisers are comfortable lying to him about things like this? >> jose i think that's always been the biggest problem in this entire story is that these just weren't two civil servants who were working in new jersey, these were top chris christie aides, david wildstein, bridget kelly, his deputy chief of staff. we've now known about david wildstein pleading guilty for the past 24 hours or so it happens today, but what i'm interested in is future indictments, other folks, and does that end up proving to be a headache for the chris christie administration? i think that is the story to look forward to because if this goes beyond david wildstein and bridget kelly, other figures in the christie administration, this becomes a bigger and bigger problem. >> abby you spoke with the christie camp recently what are they saying? >> they want to put all of this behind them. when i spoke to them though i
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asked them about this and how it would play in the campaign. they said, look, we're still in a good position the game hasn't even started yet. we don't want to be a frunt runner if you look how last go around played out. interesting, though jose how quickly things can change in politics. chris christie was the most coveted endorsement you could have gotten. all the other candidates were saying, wow, we wish we could have gotten him. he was the one everyone wanted and now the only time we're really talking about chris christie is when some new news comes out about the bridgegate scandal and ultimately it's not about what his team feels or what they want out of this it's how the american people feel. if he is not connected to this legally, there's a perception problem. and there's an abuse in power of washington and if they link that with chris christie is that going to be harmful when he runs? >> mark chris christie of course repeatedly denied any wrong doing. what's the impact of today's court action on potential 2016 plans as abby was talking about?
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>> you know abby made some very good points and, yes, there's been no evidence to link chris christie directly to the bridgegate lane scandal and he's able to say, look politician's approval numbers go up and down i might be able to catch a ride. i think why this has been so important over the past year is that we're in now the invisible primary, the time for presidential candidates and potential candidates to get endorsements, raise money, build a campaign team and this cloud that's been over chris christie and his administration for more than a year now hurts him when you are trying to get endorsements, when you are trying to build a campaign team and importantly raise money because people might find other flavors of the month. abby's completely right, you might have -- you -- he might be able to catch good news but now is not the great time for a candidate. >> that's the big question can he raise money, are donors going to be skeptical, especially this
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dominating the headlines. >> abby every time he goes and speaks, the crowd seems to really enjoy him. it's just a matter of that's not necessarily enough when you're running for -- when you're thinking about running for national office. >> absolutely. but they would say, look he still has the best brand to go up against hillary clinton who's got a very strong personality, some people love that some people say it's too much of a bullying personality. that's going to continue to play out. they are still going strong with this. it will be interesting how this plays out and how the american people respond to this. >> mark murray and abby huntsman thank you both for being with me appreciate it. you can catch abby every week day at 3:00 p.m. eastern, that's noon pacific, right here on msnbc. abby, come back to me for a second. abby? >> i'm here. i'm here jose. >> is it your birthday today? >> it is my birthday. i'm getting so old, jose. >> yeah look who's talking, look who you're talking to. i can't sing for you, but we'll do a happy birthday song for you
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later. >> thanks so much i appreciate it. thank you. minutes from now we expect to learn brand new information on the investigation into freddie gray's death. coming up live on "the rundown," you can see the podium set up microphones up and ready. we're going to be carrying this live for you here on msnbc. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we know in the cyber world, threats are always evolving. at first we were protecting networks. then, we were protecting the transfer of data. and today it's evolved to infrastructure... ♪ ♪ and military missions. we're constantly innovating to advance the front line in the cyber battle, wherever it takes us. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married. i knew it'd take some time. and her sensitive stomach didn't make things easier. it was hard to know why... the move...her food...? so we tried purina cat chow gentle...
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breaking news out of baltimore. just a couple minutes from now we expect to hear from baltimore city state attorney marilyn mosby. as you can see, the podium set up microphones all there, we're just expecting for this news conference to start about six minutes from now. we'll, of course bring it to you live. i want to bring in james peterson associate professor of english at lehigh university as well as msnbc contributor michael skolnick president of global grind and brian claypool thank you all for being with me. let's start with you professor, what we're expecting today at
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this news conference and how that can help clarify things for something that seems to be so set in stone, the investigation, must be kept secret, that's how the justice system works. is this going to be a step towards us understanding what we can expect? >> we have to see exactly what she's going to say here jose. unfortunately, the lack of transparency, whether it's for legal proceedings or not, has really exacerbated the situation for us nationally, as well as locally in baltimore, because people need to understand what the pathways to justice are going to be. the state attorney mosby now is going to, i hope let us know whether she believes there's enough evidence in this case to prosecute the law enforcement officers who are handling or mishandling mr. freddie gray in the last few moments of his life, so you know this is a tense moment jose. we have to see exactly what she's going to say, and, obviously, there are people waiting to hear that the state will be able to prosecute this case, because most folks in
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baltimore and nationally believe that's the pathway towards justice. >> brian, the fact is there are some steps that need to be taken in order for the justice to be served. >> well, jose, i agree with that but i also disagree with the fact that this information regarding the investigation should not be released to the public. this is a poster child case where evidence as it flows out should be given to the public. it's such a volatile situation, tensions are percolating, not only in baltimore, but nationwide. we need to have this information. >> brian, brian, let me ask you, if you do that when it's just beginning, just starting to start the process, is that a time to be bringing information out may or may not be useful. >> yes, for two reasons. number one, we have a public safety risk not only in
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baltimore, but nationwide with excessive force being used by law enforcement. so my argument would be public safety trumps preserving the fidelity of a criminal investigation. and the second reason why, is because you saw yesterday, the police -- i know it's probably the police department that releases this houdini proposition that freddie gray somehow harmed himself and created the severed spine. that's why you need to release all the information now for the public and not bits and pieces. >> and michael, this is something that i think a lot of people look at and say, why don't i have the information? i mean if you guys completed an investigation, let me see at least what you've got so far. >> well i think, jose that has been the issue, you know since the decades of years in this country and since the death of mike brown, this idea of transparency constantly we are fighting our government our own government to get information
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about us police body cameras or not, getting access to those, whether it's an investigation, one of the officers in baltimore has not spoken to the investigators. we're waiting constantly then of course, the baltimore police the nypd ferguson police leaked this information about the victim that is inflammatory while we are waiting for the honest truth of what actually happened in freddie gray's death. >> james, the other side of the coin is of course if you are arrested or detained and you are innocent do you want that information to be made public regardless of who you are before the final investigation on what you did or didn't do is completed? is this something that we should demand as a society that everybody, regardless of what happens if there is a process against you, we want to know the information and we want that public. >> if i were alive to be able to speak for myself then maybe i could make a sort of determination about the fact in any particular case related to
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me personally, but our other guests on the panel here are absolutely right, which is there is a public good public interest sensibility to these cases that must be taken into consideration. at the end of the day, there is no trust. the trust between the community and law enforcement has been completely eroded by the steady series of these unarmed, of these murders of unarmed mostly black men across the nation so we have to be sensitive to the particular moment and the public good suggests action and transparency immediately. >> even before the final investigation is completed we need to have investigation that's maybe partial? >> as michael pointed out, jose if they weren't leaking information that seemed to be to the detriment of some of the victims in these crimes if they weren't playing with the media and the release of information in the way that exacerbated hostilities, maybe we could be more patient in terms of transparency overall. patience is gone trust is gone the pathway to restoring those things requires transparency right now. >> and brian, that would
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include, then, releasing information of an investigation before the final determination is made? >> well absolutely, and, jose make no mistake about it if this was an average person on the street they would have been arrested. the fact of the matter is even taking off my lawyer hat there's enough evidence as i see it already to at least indict these police officers for criminal negligence. let's hold off on the severing of his spine, which i think did happen outside the van. let's put that aside for a moment and criminal nejz in maryland can stem from the failure to perform a duty that's mandated by law. it's obvious that freddie gray over those 40 minutes was dying in that van, sought and asked for medical help they didn't call for medical help. in maryland, that's criminal
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negligence. these officers should be indicted. >> the folks on the ground not following the minutia of the investigation, because it's not public, you know i think they do feel as though no one is taking care of them and no one is informing them and no one is worried about they who feel slighted, who feel that they've been affected by this are kept informed of what's going on. >> jose i know we are outraged over the death of freddie gray but just a month ago we saw a video of a man being shot in the back in south carolina walter scott, and this country bar none was outraged the cover of "time" magazine, "the new york times," this cop was arrested immediately and white communities saw this and saw maybe black people are telling the truth, maybe we should believe them maybe they are not telling lives, maybe the cops
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are actually killing innocent people, maybe that's actually happening in our country right now, and just a month later the cover of the "new york times," "time" magazine another unarmed black man killed in this country as white americans and all americans, we have to wake up and realize, this is happening. this is not about some guy telling a lie or some family making up a story, this man was killed. we want to know what happened and what happened now. >> jose one quick point here remember this is a community and a nation where we're seeing aggressive law enforcement aggressive policing, the most grease aggressive kind of policing in baltimore. how can we ignore that aggressive nature and be patient to get the information when we can see how aggressive law enforcement can be when pursuing us as civilians? >> but you know what james, the fact is elected officials and they are elected to represent us in the community, they do represent the folks voting for them in baltimore, in maryland
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and so what responsibility do elected officials have to clean up their system to make sure the people they oversee are actually doing their job and if there are some or maybe just one or two people that are mishandling or misusing their authority, if they be taken out and they are taken out of the system. you know what a responsibility do elected officials have in representing the folks they are elected by? >> they have tremendous responsibility, jose and elected officials of baltimore have got to come to terms with two things one, the systems have been corrosive for a long long time, for decades, if not scores of years. and so they are inheriting some of these problems. they realize the systemic nature of them and address them accordingly. being representative these days is less about the money that's in politics and the controlling of elections and more about whether or not you can connect to the people.
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>> this isn't about a bad seed or bad apple, this is about a 40-year war that we have coated as a war on drugs and a failed war. this is about, you know you want to talk about violence in west baltimore, poverty is violence, bad education is violence, lack of jobs is violence. there's a lot of violence in baltimore. >> to say the police are at war with civilians is i think, a very strong statement when you have a lot of officers putting their lives on the line every day for people and there are african-american officers latino officers and they go in and do their job. >> the system has been created to fight a war against their own people. it's not a police department it's a policy system that says broken windows policy quality of life. why was freddie gray even stopped? why? >> we don't know that. >> we don't know and that's crazy. >> gentlemen, i'm being told we have about 30 seconds before this press conference starts and
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it's a conversation we're going to happen. i don't want you to lose that but i want to let you know at home that we have about 30 seconds before but. >> there's a heavy police presentation here in the area something unusual, something significant appears to be about to happen. we don't know. this is supposed to be the first public statement since they got the case a couple of days ago, so there's a lot of expectation she's going to make a very profound statement. whether that's going to happen or not, we don't know. the press conference is going to be held across the plaza there, you can see people getting into position, we were told it would
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be 30 seconds, we don't know that, but there is a lot of anticipation and a lot of expectation now. there's a very heavy police presence, they started coming out, the chains early this morning and now gearing up to this moment. hopefully we're going to get answers because a lot of people in this community want to know what happened to freddie gray whether the six officers will be held accountable, in what way, where the investigation stands a lot of people feel like this is a fairly -- there are a lot of things the police are not saying that they do know and they should be saying. there's a lot of eyes across the nation trying to see what's going on here a lot of pressure, a lot of concern, so hopefully, hopefully, there will be something coming from the state's attorney's office prosecutor's office that will provide the community here with answers they want. jose? >> ron, i'm just wondering, ron, as you paint the picture of what is going on behind you, are there just folks there waiting for this as well has it been cordoned off? >> well this is an area with a lot of government employees, a lot of people arriving for work
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earlier, there's a lot of curiosity seekers, there is no sign of protesters per se. this all happened fairly quickly, the announcement that there would be a press conference, so there's not been time for organizations to gather and send people here. people are back at work schools are open so what you have here is just a normal activity in this part of town which is somewhat significant, but there's no huge crowd here anticipating this. this is going to be an event, obviously, that will be watched by a lot of people the local television stations are carrying it live we're carrying it live so a lot of people watching. i don't know what the delay is you said some time ago that we were getting a 30-second warning, that obviously, is not proven to be true. from my vantage point, i can't see what exactly is happening at the podium but i can see that there -- again, hopefully this is going to begin very soon. the big questions, of course jose are, a, as your guests were
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just pointing out, why was freddie gray even arrested criminal activity and so many questions beyond what happened after that. jose? >> ron allen, thank you very much. we did get a two-minute warning about two and a half minutes ago, so that didn't happen as ron allen was pointing out, but we do expect any minute now, any second now possibly that this news availability conference will start. but we did get that two-minute warning over three minutes now. ari melber msnbc's chief legal analyst. as we await this press conference and i'm sorry if i have to interrupt you when it starts, but what are some of the things the state's attorney could say about this investigation as we've been reporting the police handed over their investigation yesterday. >> jose, what's significant about this press conference and the process is the entire investigation is essentially being handed over from the police department, which is conducting their internal
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review, over to this prosecutor's office. now in a typical case that doesn't involve potentially police suspects right, you might hand that over with a lead suspect. you might say we've arrested someone and here's the material. we want to move forward on charging. we've charged them we want to move forward on a case or you might hand over leads and say we need to do more interviews collect more evidence. >> let's listen in. >> good morning, everyone. my name is rochelle richie the director of communications for the state's attorney's office here in baltimore city and just a few seconds state's attorney marilyn j. mosby will come out to speak with all of you. i want to make it clear that before she speaks she will be joined by members of her executive team which does include members of the police
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integrity unit as well as two independent investigators. the state's attorney will take questions, but keep in mind this is an ongoing investigation, so that means that the answers may be limited. if they can be answered at all. the correct spelling of the state's attorney name is maryland m, as in michael, a-r-y-l-i-n, middle initial "j," mosby, m-o-s-b-y, and with that we'll get started. thank you. >> so we're getting started, but here we go. here we go. as we've been hearing, it's going to be marilyn mosby, along with two independent investigators, members of her executive team including members of the police department.
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this is happening right now in baltimore. state attorney's office expected to give us as much information as they feel we can have right now. >> good morning. first and foremost i need to express publicly my deepest sympathies for the family of the loved ones of mr. freddie gray. i had the opportunity to meet with mr. gray's family to discuss some of the details of the case and the procedural steps going forward. i assured his family that no one is above the law and that i would pursue justice on their behalf. to the thousands of city residents, community organizers faith leaders, and political leaders that chose to march peacefully throughout baltimore, i commend your courage to stand for justice. i also commend the brave men and women both in uniform and out who have stepped up monday night to protect our communities from those who wish to destroy it.
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as the city's chief prosecutor i've been sworn to uphold justice and to treat every individual within the jurisdiction of baltimore city equally and fairly under the law. i take this oath seriously, and i want the public to know that my administration is committed to creating a fair and equitable justice system for all, no matter what your occupation your age, your race your color, or your creed. it is my job to examine and investigate the evidence of each case and apply those facts to the element of a crime in order to make a determination as to whether individuals should be prosecuted. this is a tremendous responsibility but one that i saw and accepted when the citizens of baltimore city elected me as a state's attorney and is precisely what i did in the case of freddie gray. once alerted about this incident on april 13th investigators
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were deployed to investigate the circumstances surrounding mr. gray's apprehension. over the course of our independent investigation, in the untimely death of mr. gray, my team worked around the clock, 12 and 14-hour days to canvas and interview dozens of witnesses, view numerous hours of video footage, repeatedly reviewed and listened to hours of police videotaped statements surveyed the route, reviewed voluminous medical records, and we leveraged the information made available to us by the police department, the community, and the family of mr. gray. the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation, coupled with the medical examiner's determine that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we received today, has led us to believe that we have problem cause to file criminal
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charges -- the statement of probable cause is as follows, on april 12th 2015 between 8:45 and 9:15 a.m. near the corner of north avenue and mount street lieutenant brian rice of the baltimore police department while on bike patrol with officers garrett miller and edward narrow made eye contact with mr. freddie carlos gray jr. having made eye contact with mr. gray, mr. gray subsequently ran from lieutenant rice. lieutenant rice then dispatched over departmental radio that he was involved in a foot pursuit, at which time bike patrol officers miller and narrow also began to pursue mr. gray. having come in contact with the pursuing officers mr. gray surrendered to officers miller and narrow in the vicinity of 1700 block of pressbury street. the officers then handcuffed mr. gray and moved him to a location a few feet away from his
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surrendereding location. mr. gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. it was at this time that mr. gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail. officers miller and narrow then placed mr. gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. the blade of the knife was folded into the handle. the knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under maryland law. these officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk. mr. gray was then placed back down on his stomach at which time mr. gray began to flail his legs and scream as officer miller placed mr. gray in a restraining technique known as a leg lace. while officer narrow physically held him down against his will until a b.p.d. wagon arrived to transport mr. gray. lieutenant rice, officer miller
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and officer narrow failed to establish probable cause for mr. gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by mr. gray. accordingly, lieutenant rice officer miller and officer narrow illegally arrested mr. gray. upon arrival of the transport wagon driven by officer caesar goodson, lieutenant rice officer narrow and officer miller loaded mr. gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon, contrary to a b.p.d. general order. lieutenant rice then directed b.p.d. wagon to stop at bakers street. at bakers street lieutenant rice, officer narrow, and officer miller removed mr. gray from the wagon, placed flex cuffs on his wrists placed leg shackles on his ankles and completed required paperwork. officer miller officer narrow and lieutenant rice then loaded mr. gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first on to the floor of the
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wagon. once again, mr. gray was not secured by a seat belt in the wagon, contrary to a b.p.d. general order. lieutenant rice then directed officer goodson to transport mr. gray to the central booking and intake facility. following transport from bakers street, mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the b.p.d. wagon. from bakers street officer goodson proceeded to the vicinity of fremont avenue where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe mr. gray. despite stopping for the purpose of checking on mr. gray's condition, at no point did he seek, nor did he render any medical assistance for mr. gray. officer goodson returned to his driver's seat and proceeded toward the central booking and intake facility with mr. gray still unsecured by a seat belt
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contrary to a b.p.d. general order. several blocks later, officer goodson called in to dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at dalton street and drew hill avenue. officer william porter arrived on the scene near dalton street and drew and hill avenue. both officer goodson and officer porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of mr. gray's condition. mr. gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. officer porter asked mr. gray if he needed a medic, at which time mr. gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic. officer porter then physically assisted mr. gray from the floor of the van to the bench, however, despite mr. gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed mr. gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain mr. gray per b.p.d. general order, nor
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did they render a request for medical assistance. while discussing the transportation of mr. gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at the 1600 west north avenue. officer porter left the vicinity of dalton street and drew and hill avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at north avenue. despite mr. gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, officer goodson in a grossly negligent manner chose to respond to the 1600 block of west north avenue with mr. gray still unsecured by his seat belt in the wagon, without rendering to or summoning medical assistance for mr. gray. officer goodson arrived at north avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of north avenue and pennsylvania avenue at which time he was again met by officer narrow, miller porter and lieutenant rice. once the wagon arrived, officer goodson walked to the back of
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the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of mr. gray. sergeant alicia white, officer porter and officer goodson observed mr. gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. sergeant white, who was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pretending to mr. gray's illegal arrest spoke to the back of mr. gray's head. when he did not respond, she did nothing further, despite the fact she was advised he needed a medic. she made no efforts to look or assess or determine his condition. despite mr. gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for mr. gray at that time by any officer. after completing the north avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the officer's side of the wagon containing mr. gray officer goodson then proceeded to the
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western district police station, where contrary to the b.p.d. general order he again failed to restrain mr. gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time. at the western district police station, the defendant arrested at north avenue was unloaded escorted and secured inside the police station prior to attending to mr. gray. by the time officer zachary novak and another officer attempted to remove mr. gray from the wagon, mr. gray was no longer breathing at all. a medic was finally called to the scene whereupon arrival the medic determined mr. gray was in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured. mr. gray was rushed to the university of maryland shock trauma, where he underwent surgery. on april 19th 2015 mr. gray succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead. the manner of death deemed a homicide by the maryland state
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medical examiner is believed to be the result of a fatal injury that occurred while mr. gray was unrestrained by a seat belt in the custody of the baltimore police department wagon. all events occurred in baltimore city, state of maryland. while each of these officers are presumed innocent until proven guilty we have brought the following charges. officer caesar goodson is being charged with second-degree depraved heart murder involuntary manslaughter second-degree negligent assault, manslaughter by vehicle by means of gross negligence manslaughter by vehicle by means of criminal negligence misconduct in office failure to secure a prisoner failure to render aid. officer william porter is being charged with involuntary manslaughter assault in the second degree misconduct in office. lieutenant brian rice is being
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charged with involuntary manslaughter assault in the second degree assault in the second degree misconduct in office false imprisonment. officer edward narrow is being charged with assault in the second degree intentional, assault in the second degree negligent, misconduct in office false imprisonment. officer garrett miller is being charged with intentional assault in the second degree assault in the second degree negligent, misconduct in office and false imprisonment. sergeant alicia white is being charged with manslaughter involuntary manslaughter second-degree assault, misconduct in office. while i am committed to transparency, what i have revealed here today is now a matter of public record however, the evidence that we have collected and continue to
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collect cannot ethically be released to the public. and i strongly condemn anyone in law enforcement with access to trial evidence who has leaked information prior to the resolution of this case. you are only damaging our ability to conduct a fair and impartial process to all parties involved. i hope that as we move forward with this case everyone will respect due process and refrain from doing anything that will jeopardize our ability to seek justice. to the people of baltimore and the demonstrators across america, i heard your call for no justice, no peace, your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. to those that are angry, hurt or have their own experiences of injustice at the hands of police officers i urge you to channel the energy peacefully as we prosecute this case. i've heard your calls for no
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justice, no peace, however, your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of freddie gray. to the rank and file officers of the baltimore city police department please know that these accusations of these six officers are not an indictment on the entire force. i come from five generations of law enforcement. my father was an officer, my mother was an officer, several of my aunts and uncles my recently departed and beloved grandfather was one of the founding members of the first black police organization in massachusetts. i can tell you that the actions of these officers will not and should not in any way damage the important working relationships between police and prosecutors as we continue to fight together to reduce crime in baltimore. thank you for your courage, commitment and sacrifice for the betterment of our community.
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lastly, i'd like to thank my team for working around the clock since the day that we learned of this tragic incident. we have conducted a thorough and independent investigation of this case. this independent investigation was led by my deputy state's attorney janice bledsoe and michael shacktow my investigators wayne williams avon mackrel, and the hard working investigative team that were here and still are very much committed to pursuing justice. i would also like to thank the baltimore city police department particularly major branford of the homicide unit and rodney hill of the internal affairs division for providing us with a hard copy of their investigative materials yesterday, information that we already had. and lastly i would like to thank baltimore city sheriff's department in assisting us with this investigation as an independent law enforcement agency with police powers. to the governor of this great
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state of maryland, thank you for expediteing the autopsy report which enabled us to do our job. last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city. i will seek justice on your behalf. this is a moment this is your moment. let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. you're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people, our time is now. [ applause ] i'm going to take a few questions. >> hold on one second go ahead. >> police investigation delivered to you yesterday, did it factor in your decision to go forward with these charges and how much was strictly your independent investigation? >> what i can tell you, we've
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been working with the police department from day one, and from day one i also sent my own investigators to the scene, so we've been leveraging and being briefed on what's been going on with the police department, so what we received from the police department yesterday, we already had. i can tell you that we independently verified those facts and everything that we received from the police department, so it's a culmination of the independent investigation that we conducted, as well as the information that we received from the police department. >> officers being cooperative with your investigation? >> yes. >> all six? >> no. they gave a statement. i can't get too far into the facts of this case. i can't answer that. >> how many officers have been arrested and are they in custody right now? >> a warrant has been issued for their arrest. i can't tell you that at this point. i know that a warrant has been issued. we filed the statement of charges this morning at about 9:30 10:00 this morning. >> expeditious way, thorough
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but expeditious given what we've witnessed this week one week gone from riots to in your eyes the accomplishment? >> what i can say, from the beginning we knew that this was a serious case we've been working independently, and i can tell you that we put all of our resources to make sure we were pursuing and leading where the facts took us in this case which was to pursue justice. >> -- several prosecutors, do you care to respond to that? >> i can tell you the people of baltimore city elected me and there's no accountability with a special prosecutor. i can tell you that from day one, we independently investigated, we're not just relying solely upon what we were given by the police department, period. i can't tell you that. i can't give you my opinion. >> your husband has spoken a lot about the riots and said some of the protesters have a point.
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are you worried about the appearance of any conflicts of interest? >> i don't see an appearance of conflict of interest. my husband is a public servant, i am a prosecutor i am also a public servant. i uphold the law. he makes the law. and i will prosecute any case within my jurisdiction. i can't answer that question. i thought it was very important to have an independent analysis as to what took place and transpired from the very beginning. we are independent agencies from the police department. >> what do you think needs to be done to make sure -- [ inaudible ] >> accountability. >> how are you going to get there? >> you're getting it today. >> how do you make sure it's systemic? the system failed for so long.


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