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good day, everyone, i'm alex witt. it is high noon in the east, :a.m. in the west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we awake with breaking news. on the left the baltimore mayor, steftalking about the curfew that was lifted an hour and a half ago floishlofficially. she will let us know every, and hopefully things will return to normal. then the governor, governor hogan, showing up outside the church, st. peter clabor church -- thank you very much mark correcting my pronunciation -- a catholic church.
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the mayor and governor has been attending that. whether each takes the podium -- when each takes the podium, we'll let you know what they have to say about the incredible week. mark moriel joining me let's talk. the good news, the curfew has been lifted. that will be a huge travel business owners and citizens, residents. >> the city is taking steps to return to normal people can return to normalcy. provides an opportunity for baltimore to pivot. there's work to do in baltimore. i heard the mayor talk about this thursday when i there talking about bringing people together to focus on justice for gray -- freddie gray, but reforming the baltimore police department. the freddie gray incident is not an isolated situation. it's part of a broader problem.
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second three, there's an absolute need not only in baltimore but across the nation to get serious about putting young people to work this summer in summer jobs. i think that's not just the job of the mayor. she talked about a plan and program she has to put young people to work this summer that needs the support of the business community. i think there should be a nation call to action to bring back the summer youth employment program with federal appropriations that we had in the '70s, '80s '90s. we have to give young people something to say yes to to be positive about. here we are in early may with the summer impending. we need to demonstrate a vote of confidence in the young people of america. >> you twloet week,-- you wrote this week, this is the time for change. the silver lining in freddie
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gray's death. when you say historic what are you talking about? >> here are points i right wing important to remember. when we had a massive crisis in america, the response was to put together the t.a.r.p. if you fast forward to 2015, the banks have stablized themselves. there's a new regulatory regime. they're financially better off than they were. however, inner city communities who bore a significant brunt of the job losses if you will and the housing crisis of the great recession, those communities still have record high unemployment. 15%, 20%, up to 40% in some inner city communities. we need to get serious about a response. it is not a good thing for this nation to sit back and have a baghdad rebuilding plan. to have a kandahar rebuilding plan. by that i mean we've got -- and
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not have a baltimore, boston, toledo, chicago, rebuilding plan. to rebuild these inner city communities. sarin dippite won't do it -- serendipity won't dee dooo it. we need to hear the voices of the peaceful protesters the majority of protesters the last year who say we want action and we want it now. >> when you talk about reform in the baltimore police department that also has to be extended across the country when you look at the pockets of problems, specifically even this year in this last year alone. that is much harder to do because you're dealing a lot of the times with just singular bad apples if you will. i don't believe that you're saying that all of police departments need to be reformed. many of them are doing a good job. how do you go about looking at the individuals? >> i would suggest that any mayor, police chief, city council, police departments today should now hold up the mirror and look at themselves.
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i doubt if a month ago baltimore would have forecast that it would have the challenge that it has, but if you look at the problems of baltimore over the last five years and the challenges with the baltimore police department over the last five years perhaps there were many red flags and warning signs. cities need to understand that baltimore today could be your city of tomorrow. secondly, it's like anything, alex. you can't throw out everything to get rid of the bad. the disciplinary system and accountability system which gives cities and, if you will prosecutors the opportunity to hold offending officers accountable, but first give cities the opportunity to terminate and discipline police officers needs to be re-examined. maryland like a lot of states has a law, a law enforcement bill of rights. it creates protections for police officers. so police officers have added protection when was they might find themselves accused of some wrongdoing. those added protections serve as
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a barrier, if you will to a city's ability to carry out swift, if you will and fair discipline when it comes to offending police officers. we got to talk about the structure, the systems, policies, and i think this is where the elected officials, the mayor, the governor the state assembly if you will, in the state legislature in maryland they have an historic opportunity to lead the way. all cities and all states across the nation have to realize this is an important pivot point for the country. >> interestingly, the six officers that are involved in the death of freddie gray, one accused of depraved heart murder. they're out on bail. yet, you have some of those that were looting and/or pilfering, whatever they were doing, still behind bars awaiting an appropriate bail. there's a discrepancy there. >> it's a demonstration -- i'm glad you make the point about whether the criminal justice
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system is fair, even-handed and balanced. i will not defend looters. property crimes are property crimes in the case of these officers, they are charged with being complicit in some fashion in the death of a citizen for whom they did not even have probable cause to stop. so the criminal justice system -- and there's a discussion in congress, many in the civil rights community, we need changes to the -- if you will the criminal justice system, because the idea is for it to be fair balanced and even-handed. >> mark, can you sit with me for a moment? i want to do some live stuff. a picture of where the mayor will be speaking shortly, stephanie recallawrawlins blake. and the church -- what's the pronunciation pronunciation? st. peter -- >> claver. >> it curfew has been lifted.
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i imagine residents are pleased and the prospect of getting back to normal. what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. the curfew was becoming a real irritant i think to local residents here particularly last night, a big fight night. and a lot of businesses were hurt by the curfew as well. you can imagine a restaurant or bar that would normally be open late wasn't. it was tough economically. so good news that the curfew is done. >> talk about the sentiments today. here we are a week later. very much a sense of calm in terms of what we've seen transacting on the streets. people receiving curfews. last night, there was still a few arrests, correct? >> reporter: >> reporter: there have been people deliberately defying the curfew, people making statement business what they feel is the
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-- statements about what they feel is unfair about the curfews. people doing interviews. i think some of it was activism. this morning inside the church it was a warm reception for governor larry hogan. and there's a democrat here who said he voted for hogan because he remembers what they've done to get him where he was. not a lot of sentiment for the former mayor, martin o'malley when the archdiocese and governor walked into the sink wear it to "we shall overcome" being sung by the congregation which has swelled because of visitors they got a really warm reception, applause. we're not expecting the governor to speak inside. we're waiting for him to come out so we can talk to him. >> i'm sure you heard about the possible friction if you will between the mayor and the governor. a bit of a personal friction. there was some tit for tat discussion. what's your interpretation, the
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reality, depth of it? >> reporter: yeah, i don't think we've had that directly from either side. definitely there seemed to be implied criticism of mayor rawlings-blake from the governor when he said he felt she waited a long time, and they were glad when she finally reached out for help. when you talk to people as we have in this pest baltimore neighborhood, people felt the mayor didn't know what to do. whereas the governor has been proactive. yesterday over at penn and north, where we've been all week the governor's office was out there giving out sandwiches and water. i know rawlings-blake has partnered with churches ads -- as the governor has. visibility is gaining political currency for people. congressman cummings i think principally and katherine pugh, state senate leader, have been extremely visible. that has been a stark contrast. i can tell you the night before last people were chanting "where is the mayor," as they were talking with and interacting
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with their congressmen. i think that's going to be an issue for her. >> thank you very much. i'm sure we'll check in with you again. before break, i want top ask you, in your position as head of the national urban league, you've dealt with things on a national, federal, state, local level. when it comes to the reparations of the city of baltimore, who do you think ought to lead from a political perspective, lead the charge there? >> i think the mayor is the person who should lead the charge. i do believe that the mayor can only serve as an orchestra conductor. she needs her congressional delegation. she needs her city council. she needs her state legislative delegation. she needs cooperation from the governor. i discourage anyone from trying to score political points. these sort of public relation victories can be short-lived. what is in front of baltimore is a very difficult task to heal the community, what's in front of baltimore is a long process
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toward trial for the six officers who have been waiting for charges to be officially brought. what's in front of baltimore is the need to fix the with a lot of oppositional rhetoric from the leadership. what's in front of baltimore is high poverty and the need for everyone to marshal it. the mayor acting alone, she needs full strength and cooperation. she is the mayor. she's going to be the mayor for the foreseeable future. and i believe that people should rally around her as opposed to, if you will -- people feel one way, but right now i hope that people will move in a new direction. this is very difficult. and you know i watched after i left office my own hometown of katrina. i saw at that time the mayor and governor pointing fingers at each other. one day it looked like one had an advantage.
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the next day the other had the advantage. >> political football. >> at the end of the day it cost them both their political credibility. i think to some extent their long-term reputation. it's important -- i think congressman incumbenting is key. he's a seasoned -- cummins is key. he's a seasoned official with respect from elected officials. he has a role to build the coalition needed to rebuild baltimore. show to is going to be a task for all elected officials no matter what party who care about that city. and baltimore being one of the large cities in this country, people will be watching and taking if you will clues from how the leadership of baltimore which i think has to include the business community labor community, andllerg yy -- and leadership. >> thank you.
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we are waiting for these two statements to be delivered. there you see them, on the left where the mayor is taking the podium. making official, the curfew has been lifted in baltimore as about an hour and a half ago. the governor of maryland, governor hogan, will be leaving church shortly. they must have said extra prayers and perhaps sang a few more celebratory song about trying to move things forward there. we'll take to the podium as soon as both of those appear. stay with us. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married. i knew it'd take some time.
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will and kate's princess -- we'll get to that in a moment. we want to show what's going. on you're seeing to the right we're waiting outside of the catholic church downtown that's where the governor is expected to take to a podium followed following services there. on left, baltimore mayor
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stephanie rawlings-blake will be outside of the mall where things really got going one week ago with regard to baltimore and the city that erupted in violence and protests. so we will see both of them take to the podium and let you see them, as well, one that get underway. now to the news from overseas. will and kate's princess spending her second day at home. as you can imagine, everyone wants to see that baby. the paparazzi took this picture of charles, prince charles and comilla arriving -- camilla arriving to meet their granddaughter for the first time. that's the duchess' mother and aunt pippa. and the rest of the world is waiting to hear what the princess will be named. we'll go to kelly cobiella joining us from london. an exciting day yesterday. thank you for spending the day with us as everything was happening, all the big news. let's look back in history, took a couple of days to make prince george's county name public. what are we hearing on this one, anything? >> reporter: not yet sadly. we're still waiting.
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we are waiting for the magical team come through telling us the name of this princess. as you'll recall prince george was -- his name was announced after the queen visited, just moments after she left kensington palace. the day after -- two days after he was born. so we were expected possibly a repeat of that. that we would see some family visits today. we did. we saw carol and pippa middleton, the mother and sister of kate go to kensington palace. prince charles and camilla spent an hour with their new granddaughter. no sign of the queen. that's because the queen isn't in london. she's actually out in the countryside today. she has no plans apparently to visit london today. we understand from royal experts she could be notified over the phone of baby name. then they will announce. they had planned to spend a
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couple of days in london before going to their country home on the queen's estate. the other way this could play out, they account introduce their daughter to the queen at sandringham where they have a country home and the queen does as well. royal watchers say there's no specific protocol. we simply don't know. we keep waiting. one more thing -- you know these faces sell papers. so it was no surprise that this was on the cover of just about every paper this morning in london with of course wonderful headlines. "a sister for george." "wasn't she worth the wait kate?" my personal favorite, "sleeping cutie." >> that is perfect. hey, speaking of cutie social media has blown up about how great kate looks. she leaves the hospital -- what was it less than 12 hours after giving birth. she was out in that fabulous, jenny packham dress the one
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that designed that we remember, the blue with the polka dots. she just -- she's amazing. she dazzles no matter what. >> reporter: she is an incredible -- in incredible shape anyway. a beautiful face, great style. we understand that her hairdresser is the same hairdresser she's been using quite a bit at every royal appearance. and she arrived fairly early in the day and was sort of the first sign we knew that kate might be leaving the hospital yesterday. we understand -- this is secondhand -- that she does her make-up herself. isn't it amazing? she looks like she walked out of a spa not out of a maternity ward. she did look fantastic. you know has a way with make-up, as well. aren't we all jealous, alex? >> yes. that is a talent that i do not have. hint, hint. people help me with mine. thank you very much. we'll speak with you again from london. the presidential race is expected to heat up this week. three more gop candidates
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expected to declare in the next few days. mike huckabee, dr. ben carson, and carly feeiorinafiorina. no poll numbers show there's a big split among voters. in democrats, a split about the top priorities for america. democratic pollster with gavin hart gang research. i'm glad to see you again. it was interesting, these poll numbers, because there wasn't a lot of crossover. the dem and gop voters have key differences in their priorities. break it down for us. >> well for the republican primary voters which is the competition right now, it's clearly national security and terrorism. democratic primary voters see thing a little bit differently. for them the top priority is still jobs and economic security. we'll note, alex what's interesting about 2016 is the prominence of national security and terrorism. it is a number-two issue now among americans in general. and even among democratic primary voters national
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security and terrorism is tied with health care as a top priority. >> have the numbers shifted or changed in the last few years? or has it been consistently like this? >> basically for the last decade or so it's been a mantra from the ' 92 campaign, it's the economy, stupid. it's fiscal for president. what's prominent is national security and terrorism on the issue agenda. more for republicans obviously, but also for democrats. and that will mean a slightly different debate in 2016 than we've been used to having the past couple of elections? >> so when you put all the numbers together fred, what's the top priority for voters as a whole? does it go back to it's the economy stupid or do you think terrorism and security trumps that? >> no. i think fundamentally it's about, you know, economic security, job growth business growth. i think that will be one of the
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driving issue of the 2016 electorate. i just think, again the rising prominence of national security if that continues, it opens opportunities for some it closes opportunities for some other candidates. >> how about immigration? where does that sflank. >> immigration is important. i think obviously for the issue itself. but for the broad middle americans, immigration and more specifically the lack of immigration reform has become a big symbol of polarization and gridlock in washington. that's one thing that both parties have compromised on yet can't get agreement. i think immigration is important for different reasons. fundamentally, can we show that washington can work again? >> okay. fred yang, always good to talk with you and get your numbers. come see us again soon. thank you very much. we go from d.c. back to baltimore.
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that is where the mayor, stephanie rawlings-blake, is speaking. let's take a listen. >> i am so happy that they are ready to reopen. not every store is ready to reopen. the majority of the store and toured the mall the damage right after the incident on monday. and it is such a dramatic difference from where it was monday. i'm so grateful because it show shows the resiliency of the city. want to thank general growth and all of the vendors who are here you know, they want to stay here, they want to continue their investment. i think this was a smart investment because this say growing community. thanks to all who came together to support the mall. i've been coming here since i was a child, taking christmas pictures with santa. i think the easter bunny -- use can come up, general, if you want to come up. come on.
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you sure? and this is a great day to have the mall reopen. a wonderful day. i was proud to support the investments that i think it was the baltimore development corporation made into this animal do the major renovations and see it bounce back so quickly gives me optimism about what's possible. i don't know if bbc wanted to say anything? >> no ma'am. >> what was the difference between yesterday and today in your decision to lift the curfew? >> so yesterday, we had some of the same outside protesters that we had on saturday. when the peaceful protests turned in to destruction and we were very cautious that we were able to get through that night without having it turn into what happened last saturday.
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>> the national guard -- -- will they stay now state troopers? >> they unwind. it's not like you flip a switch. they have to unwind operations. they'll do that this next week. >> they'll be withdrawing basically? >> uh-huh, yeah. >> are you concerned that this might be premature on your part? >> you'll tell me that afterwards. it will either be too long or too early. you'll let me know afterwards. [ all talking at once ] >> can you talk about how confident you are in the state of affairs in baltimore, in how peaceful it is, in the underlying unrest? what is your assessment of the state of affairs in sfwhault. >> i'm-- in baltimore? >> i'm confident. the past few days we saw the resiliency of the city and communities coming together. we want to heal our city. we know we have challenges there's work to be done. what you saw in these last few days with the peaceful demonstrations and people coming together to celebrate baltimore
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is that will that we will get better that we will get through this and do it as one baltimore. >> as far as unrest, what is your appraisal of the status of unrest in baltimore? >> i think a lot of the unrest has been settled, settled down in the sense of the protest. that doesn't mean work doesn't continue. we're actively engaged with the department of justice on collaborative review. we have been since last year in the process of improving our police department, reforming our police department and putting in place things that will eliminate this type of incident from ever happening again. >> can you elaborate the role on the faith leaders of the community, the role they'll playing in rebuilding the city and quelling the violence? >> there are -- words are insufficient to describe the gratitude to the faith community. they have come out in unbelievable ways to not just
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support me, you know in the physical sense of the city but to support me spiritually. and to help us rebuild our community. when they were out there, you know you saw the fire you know burning in east baltimore. but when they were out there it was a fire of their spirit. it was really energizing our community. and i cannot -- words are insufficient to describe my gratitude. >> mr.what's your reaction to the criticism of your leadership and praising the governor? >> that's your job to react and respond to that. i'm very focused. i think i'm going to continue to be focused on rebuilding my city. >> what about conversations you had with the business owners this morning -- >> they are optimistic. you know, they're excited about continuing their investment. this is a very successful mall. so to see that destruction that i saw when i toured it on
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tuesday, it was devastating to see that done to vendors who put so much money into the mall, but to see them back. i was excited. you know, they're optimistic moving forward that we'll never see anything like that again. >> thank you. >> there we go. baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake actually talking about the extraordinary measures that have happened this week. how thankful she is for those staying with the mall, where she shopped as a child and still shops. picture from monday showed looters going in targeting the mall and wreaking havoc. she was thankful to the spiritual community for helping her on a personal note and helping the city get back together. the big news is that the curfew has been lifted. it was lifted about two hours
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ago now. officially people will be able to stay out past 10:00 p.m. we will not see the present of police helicopters on their bullhorns, gathering over crowds of people media and otherwise saying it is time to disperse. we're keeping an eye on the governor's podium outside of st. peter clabor church in baltimore. he may have been held up by member inside talking to them. they've been having a number of prayers and really some powerful words inside. we had msnbc's joy reed inside the church for a while and said it's been powerful inside there. and a spirit of hope as they transition and move things forward. tom costello is outside the mall -- you may have heard his voice, asking questions of the mayor. we hope to speak with him shortly. in the meantime let's take a short break. when tom gets settled, we'll have him recap that which the mayor said and take you here to
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approaching 35 passed the -- past the hour. that is stephanie rawlings-blake outside the mondawmin mall thanking the community, particularly vendors inside for sticking with the mall and getting back to business as usual. as best they can. also thanking the spiritual leaders in the community for supporting her and supporting the city of baltimore in general. our own tom costello was at that news conference. tom on the left. we heard you asking questions. we're going to get to you in a moment. also want you to know we'll have more coming up outside the cvs that was severe ledamaged, a flashpoint for the week and something people will remember when they see that cvs. to you, tom mayor stephanie rawlings-blake seems confident, self-aware in what she is going do heading forward. talk about what you heard. >> reporter: i think a couple of headlines. first of all, as you have been reporting, she's dropped the
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curfew effective immediately. that curfew which had been in effect since tuesday, 10:00 p.m. until 5:00 a.m. is dropped. the mayor saying she had been hoping she would not have to keep it in place a day longer than necessary. today, midday, she decided in fact that there was enough peace on the streets, that the police and national guard and, in fact the community itself had managed to restore a sense of normalcy. it was now safe to lift the curfew. effective tonight that will no longer be in place. the other headline is that she's going to be drawing down the national guard as well as the police presence. keep in mind, we have an n addition to a full tactical alert, we've got police officers from cross maryland. in fact, other states have come to assist. the point being, they will start to draw down. she called it unwinding their positions. and if i could say there's a third headline i would say it's that she claims that the vendors here the stores who were in this mall, and this is a critical mall for the people in
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this community, that they are saying they're going to stay. they're going to keep doing business in the community. a lot of questions following the riots about whether stores would say could stores that had been looted and vandalized in this part of the west baltimore. we haven't heard from cvs this morning. but from the mayor's perspective, good news from this key part of the economic vitality of west baltimore. people in this neighborhood depend on this mall. depend on that cvs. without it, they simply have no place to turn for their pharmaceuticals, diapers, for their clothes, for their food, that kind of thing. this is critical to the economic pie. >> i want to bring you into the conversation. i mean, in addition to that which tom is talking about, the importance of cvs we all use it in our local neighborhoods for the reasons he outlined. i had an enlightening conversation with a father and son yesterday. a father who took his 5-year-old son out and about on the day of
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the riots when he felt it was safe to do so, the day after. he showed them what had happened. he showed this little boy what happened. he loved going to the cvs, this 5-year-old kid. he'd go and get his candy. it was his special outing destination which shows just how important an entity like this is in that community. what are folks telling you about their hopes for cvs to come back and everything else that's happened? >> reporter: a lot of folks are out talking about the important of the cvs. we're here again at the corner of north and penn where the police presence is vastly smaller than it has been. but today the atf is here investigating what happened. we have the public information officer for the atf. want to talk to you for a moment. first of all, how does your group have federal jurisdiction over what happened at this cvs and other pharmacies and stores in this neighborhood? >> sure. the atf gains our federal jurisdiction because it's
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building -- business has an effect on commerce. federally we can conduct an investigation and bring it to prosecution before the united states attorney's office in federal court. >> reporter: you're saying the atf has been here since monday. you brought in a larger team thursday. you've been here since 5:30 this morning. how many men and women do you have, and how many sites are you investigating? >> the baltimore field division has 50 agents, all of whom are dead indicted working various scenes and supporting this whether it was inside or logistically outside throughout the court of the week. to supplement that, we have agents from across the country. we have our national response team, a team -- actually two teams of 20 each 40 special thaeths have -- agents that have specialized training. our investigators, fire protection engineer various other personnel that have real specialized and advanced training decade worth of experience, coming in and looking at seven different scenes across the scene. >> reporter: seven scenes. pharmacies, liquor stores pawn
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shops, that senior center that got burned down. >> that's right. >> reporter: how can the public get involved? >> we're asking for the public's help because we need their help. we know that the citizens of baltimore are interested in helping to solve these crimes. so we've set up two ways. we have a tip line 1-888-atf-fire, if they have information, they can call. you can remain anonymous. we're offering a $10,000 reward for information to leads to the conviction of people who set intentional fires. if they have video of scenes whether people running out or the fire itself, we're giving people an opportunity to anonymously upload videos. you can anonymously upload videos. we'll look and hopefully be able to see scenes of people whether they're running out of a fire or whether the fire itself is being set. not only will it help identify who set it but may show us some
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witnesses. >> reporter: you have forensic chemists, fire engineers, what methods are you using to figure out what happened here and other locations? >> we essential have two elements to every team. one of the elements goes inside and with shovels and sifting and accelerant and k- dogs, they'll determine where the origin took place. we'll take the evidence collect, it bring to t to-- bring it to our lab, and determine how the fire started. the other element is on the streets. talking to witnesses, collecting video, sending information to our digital investigators to take a good look at video. even stuff that might have been burned inside here restoring it enhancing it hoping us gets an idea of who committed the crimes so they can be held accountable. >> reporter: thank you. the staph moving quickly. lot -- atf is moving quickly. lots of video. they hope to get something to the president soon. >> thank you very much. powerful pictures there with that cvs behind you. thanks. let's go back to tom kos costello outside the mondawmin
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mall. with regard to stephanie rawlings-blake and what she said about moving forward and giving this city a chance to move back to a sense of normalcy how much do you think lifting the curfew today on a sunday ahead of the beginning of the schoolweek, ahead of the workweek who tohad to do with the timing of things give people a breather? >> reporter: that's right. and prayer has replaced protest at least for the time being. there's a real sense that tempers have calmed down over the last few days. now, i did ask the mayor during this news conference a few minutes ago, how would she assess the current state of affairs here in baltimore. the state of unrest his dissipated, here's what she said. >> i think a lot of the unrest has been settled, settled down in the send of protests. that doesn't mean the work doesn't continue. they are actively engaged in collaborative review. we have been since last year in
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the process of improving our police department reforming, reforming our police department and putting in place things that will eliminate this type of incident from ever happening again. >> reporter: the mayor speaking a few minutes ago. i think that if i could give you just the pulse of the neighborhood today, there was a real sense that everything, everybody's kind of taking a collective breath. it's a beautiful day here. going to be in 980s. the mall is opening up. families on the streets again. there's a real sense especially after last night when it was a relatively peaceful evening. the mayor lifting the curfew. there's a sense that the community is getting back to normal. alex? >> fingers crossed. here's hoping. nbc's tom koscostello thank you. we have one news it was down. we're waiting for another to happen that being with governor larry hogan. outside of the st. peter claver
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the mayor and i talked, and agreed we think it's time to get the community back to normal again. it's been a hard week. we've kept everybody safe. since monday we haven't had serious problems. i thank everybody for kaeping ingkeeping calm keeping the peace. i think lifting the curfew is a good idea. it's been a rough week. let's get back to normal get people back to work and school, getting people into the shops that were devastated this week and the smallest mom and pop stores and restaurants. they need your help. we want to everybody to come back. we have calm and peace, something we haven't seen for a
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while. [ all talking at once ] >> how long will the national guard be staying? >> the trucks are pulling out this morning. we brought in 4,000 people to their week to keep the city safe. we brought in 1,000 extra police officers 3 000 members of the guard and 3,000 volunteers to help clean things up. it's not going to happen instantaneously. we had to build an entire see it save the city. -- entire city to save the city. we'll get back to normal as quickly as we can. >> the police officers is the baltimore police department in need of sflerchl. >> -- reform? >> look, i don't want to get into the case itself. what we need is healing. obviously there's big issues we've got to address. what i've been focused on 20-some hours a day every day for the past week is keeping everybody safe. longer term questions and issues about how we fix this how we develop more trust between the community and police. how we fix the overarching
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problems in urban areas and in baltimore. today we're not going to solve that. today we're about having peace in the city. and thanking everybody for their help. >> we heard that freddie grain was not restrained in the police van. in some places in the country that was known as a rough ride. do you want to review to find out how prevalent it might be in other law enforcement agencys? >> actually we're signing eight pieces of legislation including one that allows us to gather all that information from various police departments. we'll be doing that this week. >> governor is there another rough ride -- >> let somebody ask a question. [ inaudible ] >> it's going to be devastating. monday night we lost 200 businesses. most of them were minority-owned businesses. many of them didn't have insurance. hundreds of millions of dollars have been lost. people had homes and businesses burned down and looted. folks that didn't get hit on
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monday lost business for an entire week. i talked to a lot of them the past few days. a lot of people were impacted in community throughies throughout the city. we'll do everything we can to help them. >> when you think about going to church and the cardinal saying this is a time for walls to come down. what kind of walls need come down? what is the healing process? >> we've got to come together. it's a day of unity, reconciliation, a day of prayers and peace for the city of baltimore, for the people affected for freddie gray's family. for all the folks that lost their homes and businesses. for the over 100 police officers who were injured on monday night. you know, one of the first things i did, i went to shock trauma and saw 15 police officers that were badly injured. the sacrifice of the national guard, the police and fire that were out protecting and serving almost 24 hours a day, a lot of people need our prayers and our thanks. the community leaders who came together, the faith leaders who pitched in and helped continue
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to preach peace, i got prayers for everybody. and i -- i thank god that -- for the wisdom and strength that i got. i can tell you this is the first moment of peace i've had in a week. we've had almost no sleep. >> governor? governor? >> about the officers, if they're convicted, what about more rioting in the city? >> we don't have a role in the process. but i believe in the justice system. will take a long time to play out. we'll be prepared for whatever. we want the truth as everybody does. we'll see what happens when it does. >> governor? >> thanks, guys. thanks. >> and that is governor larry hogan. he's had a long day in church already. he said it's actually been the first moments of peace he's had in the last week. not a lot of sleep. he did manage to rally that congregation inside of the st. peter claver catholic church in downtown baltimore. he took a lot of questions, but really deferred things about the future, see how it will play out with regard to the criminal justice system working its way through the arrest of the six
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police officers and see them coming to trial. right now, i'd like to bring in f. michael higginsbotham, professor at the university of law and author of "ghosts of jim crow." joined by james peterson, director director of african-american studies and msnbc contributor. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. i want to ask you how important was it to lift this curfew? f. michael, i want to start with you. from an economic standpoint the governor outlined, it was huge. >> good to be with you. i could not have -- could not have said that a week ago with the violence and looting that it occurred. as the governor mentioned and as the mayor mentioned, things have r different today. and that's good. i think it's a huge deal to lift the curfew. it's also a big deal that some of the businesses have indicated they will return to mondawmin mall. this is critical. it's critical to deal with
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economic issues. those are underlying the riots and protest that occurred. >> i imagine you concur james? yeah. i want to set economic situations aside and say any time there's a curfew in a city it's exchanging security for freedom of rights and public spaces. we want to see that ended as soon as possible. i couple of things the governor said that are important -- remember community leader and organizations -- community leaders and organizations were most effective at getting the city under control, getting the protests to be largely peaceful for the longest time they've been there. removing the occur few removes the footprint -- curfew removes the footprints of the footprint of challenges that we've seen across the state and baltimore. important that the curfew is lifted and important for the governor to gift a shout out to the community leaders and organizers on the ground doing the hard work of making sure that baltimore gets back on the right track. >> yeah. i'll echo the sentiments also of
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mayor stephanie rawlings-blake who in her news conference was quite profound in her thanks to the spiritual community saying they thank helped -- they helped her personally and helped the city heal and move forward. as you're aware, the six officers charged in the death of freddie gray were released on bond of between $250,000 and $300,000. one sproifrtprotester in jail, bail set at $500,000. how does disparity like that affect already strained relations between the police and community of baltimore? >> i think it undermines the relationships and highlights disparities that exist in our criminal just system. it's really important that we maintain equality throughout our criminal justice. is that's part of what the protests are all about. it's not only issue surrounding freddie gray's death but the issues go to other cities in other states.
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these are deep issues that go to poverty, homelessness crime to -- to unemployment. and they're not only in baltimore, but they're everywhere. the fact that -- there's a disparity, disparities in the bails, shows deep underlying problems in the justice system and economic system. that needs to be addressed. as the governor said we have big issues. we can't deal with them today. i hope over the next weeks and month that we do deal with these inequities in our criminal just system and in the economic aspects. >> i want to pick up on that. a few more details here. the residents certainly of the city have been facing hardships for years. a city where african-americans make up 63% of the city's population. the unemployment rate for young adult black males, 37% back in 2013. and conversely the rate for white males was 10%. then nearly a quarter of baltimore's residents lived below the poverty line. james, you said in an interview
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last week baltimore is america. what did you mean by that? >> when we look across the nation and look at the gaps the inequities in income and look at the gaps and inequities in access to services things like health care, fair treatment in terms of left wing praklend -- of lending practices and housing practices, we can see racialized and class inflicted gaps -- inflected fwaps eded gaps. we can see inequities in charleston, ferguson, cities that have this confluence of both mass incarceration and aggressive policing in these underdeveloped economic regions which has created a powder keg that we've seen explode in these videotaped instances of police violence. so we have to address and stay focused on those structural issues. we can't think of baltimore as an isolated incident. we can't think of it as a unique incident even though are
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characteristics and thing that happened there in baltimore. we have to understand it as a larger problemnormous n in terms of income quality and access to services. these are deep-seated problems. we've only see the gaps increase over the last decade or two. so we've got to sort of figure out how to do we get at some structures the structural issues. that's about job opportunities. really rebuilding educational opportunities. and understanding that corporations and the 1% have got to carry the fair amount of load in terms of income inequality in this nation. those are things people don't want to talk about the campaign trail. those are things we have to face if we can address the challenges. >> you've chronicled a huge list as you said deep deep issues. if there's one place to start making the change to both of you, i'll let you go first, james, what's the first step that needs to be done to start addressing this? >> wow. that's -- that's -- >> huge t's huge!
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>> it is huge. i'm going to cheat and take two. >> okay. >> i think number one we've got to reform the criminal justice system. you heard the governor say that they had to build a city in order to save the city of baltimore. imagine instead of using resources and reaction to this challenge and using it proactively and progressive to invest in cities. we've got to reform the criminal justice system and make it less reactionary, less biased less private. i think that will address the immediate need and the immediate urgency of the black lives matter movement. two, we've got to take a more comprehensive look at our education system. it's not about race to the top or no child left behind or high stakes testing. we've got to take a much more qualitative approach to how we invest and structure our public educational system and make sure that everyone has access to public education that is etifying and preparatory to meet the needs of the 21st century marketplace. >> i couldn't agree more in terms of education. we know that then takes a generation to feel the positive effects. you got to get going at some
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point -- >> criminal just immediately, educational secondarily. >> good points. and f. michael, a point that you want to throw in something to focus on first and foremost? >> sure. i agree with james in terms of criminal justice and education. but i actually think first thing is we need to recognize that we have a problem. once we do that in terms of state, local, and federal government, we need to clearly empower our minority communities, politically, educationally, but also economically. this is about jobs. the unemployment rate is -- is super high in these areas where we've had riots. this is about giving people a job so they can take care of their families. >> all right. f. michael and james. gentlemen, good to see you both. thank you very much for joining me here. >> thanks. so that's the wrap of this hour. we'll come back, reset at the top with more on. until, inhibition creeps in our world gets smaller quieter,
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