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was just frantic. he was like get out now. if you don't get out now you're getting locked in here. >> witnesses reacting to the violence last night in texas where between gunmen are dead after opening fire after a controversial prophet muhammad cartoon contest. >> a lot to talk about this weekend. a couplekup elcouple shortporting events, unfortunately a story that runs through both. first, happy birthday. >> willie is back. >> and willie, happy birthday. >> mika saturday me sunday. every year. >> thank you for all the gifts. >> yours is a national holiday as you said. >> yes, we observe it through the weekend. >> exactly. >> were you back in town to see the fight? >> i did not see the fight. i was not somewhere where it was
available. >> what about you? >> sound asleep. did you watch it? >> i watched it. mika and i disagree on this stuff. i grew up a huge boxing fan because when i grew up it was ali versus frazier, norton versus phrasefrazier. foreman. it was the golden age of boxing. there was not a whole lot golden about this events but if you follow boxing it was a good defensive battle. but the money was staggering and unfortunately, i didn't know much about these two guys. and unfortunately, john oliver last night we may have a criplip or not, but i didn't realize mayweather had seven different assault charges from five different women. john oliver calls him a woman battering human landfill. he is not a good person. >> no he's not. and a lot was written --
>> and he took home $150 million, $200 million? >> they're reporting $180 million is his purse. yeah, his record is long an people who cover the sport know about it. in fact a couple of women, michelle beadle at espn and another reportedly denied credentials to the fight because they have been outspoken about his background and his camp said we don't want these two women there. >> they banned people that actually reported on this. and mika even -- i don't say even more disturbing than that but that film about jameis winston that is coming out, that anybody that looks at that film and looks at the witness knows that something horrible went wrong, including a coverup in tallahassee. i just said it, a cuffup in
tallahassee tallahassee. i'll say it again. a coverup in tallahassee. you better run for cover. you really better. because it's coming after you. i have never seen anything as disgusting as that film on campus rape. >> a former florida state student and football player who was in the nfl draft this weekend. >> and that's the news angle on this. the number one draft pick after all the talk about the nfl, this last fall they will look at character, that character was going to count finally, and not just athletic you prowess. you know, i read an article, i forget what magazine it was in after the mayweather fight, where it says jesus didn't care about muscle mass talking about mayweather. well, the nfl doesn't care about rape charges or character. if you look at what happened with jameis winston -- andwillie you were out, this guy tweeted or
instragramed pictures right after being drafted number one, after having all of these charges, not allegations, look at the tape, look at the film look at the witness, look at her parents, look at the events look at what she did right after being raped. she immediately went to the hospital. immediately got dna evidence. immediately. and jameis winston walked. and now he's the number one draft pick in the nfl. this is -- really? and then what did he do right after he got drafted. >> remember he had that incident last season where he stole crab legs from a grocery store down there. and the picture he instragramed right after having been drafted number one was a picture of him with a operate of crab legs like kind of an fu or maybe a joke. but this movie the hunting ground will be explosive because we've only heard one side of that story and it's been the jay jameis winston side and now she's finally coming out.
>> and i watched it with my daughter over the weekend. it is an incredible report. and she's -- it's impossible to believe that nothing happened to her. >> it's impossible to watch her -- >> sorry, that's my --- >> it's impossible to watch her parents, without looking at winston and the people intal hats tallahassee who let this young girl down who was shoved into a bathroom and her face shoved to the floor and raped. and nobody supported her. they had a national championship they wanted to win. any anyway, number one draft pick thank you nfl and buccaneer, you've shown once again that character does not matter to our children. i didn't watch much nfl this
past year, i'm probably going to watch none of it next year. they have learned absolutely nothing. >> after everything. >> absolutely nothing. a guy with a series of incidents gets the most -- you can't be -- you can't get better than being the number one draft pick in the nfl. >> all right. let's go back to the shooting in texas last night where two gunmen are dead after opening fire outside a prophet muhammad cartoon contest. there was a top prize of $10,000 for best cartoon and speakers included a dutch politician on an al qaeda hit list. the event was coming to a close when the gunmen drove up to the building and started shooting. both suspects are dead after being shot by police officers. officials say the entire incident lasted a matter of seconds. most of the 200 people attending the event were still there. video shows the frantic moments when they were urged to stay inside. >> police officer has been shot two suspects have been shot
possibly heavy explosives on them. that's what we're worried about right now. we're going to move y'all into the auditorium here in just a minute. everybody remain calm. become orderly. we'll take you into the auditorium a little further away from the front of this building all right? >> security guard bruce joiner was shot by the gunmen but is expected to be okay. he was taken to the hospital and later released. thousands of dollars were reportedly spent on extra security for the event. police say there were no credible threats before hand and they do not yet know if the shooting was directly related to the contest. nearby businesses were evacuated as a precaution and the bomb squad was also called in. pamela geller the american freedom defense initiative, organized the contest and she says yesterday's shooting is proof that, quote, this is a war on free speech and, quote, the war is here. joining us from garland, texas, nbc news correspondent jacob rascon. jacob, what is the latest he is especially about the gunmen? >> reporter: good morning. the last time we heard from
police officially was five hours ago and the next time we'll hear from them officially will be in another several hours. but since we heard from them last, we do know this, that the body of the two gunmen are still there behind me about 50 yards. so we did not have new information about the suspects themselves. we simply know that they have been killed and they are still on scene. we know that there were a series of tweets septembernt out before the shooting actually happened. those tweets and twitter accounts have now been suspended and they seemed to hint at a warning, one even 20 minutes before the attack using the #text #text -- #texas attack. that account has been taken down and the police investigation hat nos has not stopped. s.w.a.t. officers were on scene before the event even happened. as you mentioned, a massive
police presence already there. and we know the bomb squad and fbi have been on scene and we have heard since police spoke to us last three or four different explosions, of course they are going in making sure that that car is okay and not filled with any explosive devices. shortly after 10:00, a police spokesperson said this. >> we're considering the car as possibly containing a bomb. so our bomb unit is there, they are still working on that vehicle and that's where we are at this identifications, we've not touched their bodies because they are 00 close by the car. once that's cleared, then we'll find out who they are and exactly what was going on. >> moving forward, the central question of course is who were these two men. and were they in fact responding to what was going on, this so-called free speech event. of course we'll have the latest as the details become available. jacob rascon in garland, texas.
>> jacob, thanks so much. joining us now former assistant special agent in charge of the joint fbi nypd terrorism task force, don barelli. there was heavy security around this event, including the one shot. it was that police presence that probably saved a lot of lives last night. >> absolutely. it seemed that the event organizers knew this was going to be on the list for these groups watching the potential terrorists. so you had plenty of police officers on board. and they acted properly. do you approach an event like this? a speech that a lot of people find proceed vok have a difference obviously not a ren or ever justification to attack it but as somebody who looks to prevent terrorism and protect people, how do you look at these events? >> it is again the question of
free speech versus what is inflammatory. we saw what happened in paris we saw what happened in copenhagen. and now this happened in garland, texas. so this is the challenge for law enforcement also to be out in front of these potential events try to gets a much intelligence up front and see if there is individuals like the two that attacked this e679 event and try to stop it before it stops. >> all right, thanks very much. we appreciate your perspective. the city of baltimore is waking up after its first noncurfew night since last week's arrests. it was lifted on sunday and the national guard began its withdrawal as officials say tensions have eased. is this largely attributed to friday's arrest of six baltimore police officers in the death of fled freddie gray. four face charges of involuntary manslaughter and three with false imprisonment.
yesterday elijah cummings spoke of freddie gray's ee's legacy. >> a little boy was growing up trying to be somebody. his house was filled with -- his mother had all kinds of difficulties and problems. and he died a sad and tragic death. but in the moment of his death, god created a movement, a movement that will change schools and children's lives all over this country. >> joining us live from baltimore, nbc news correspondent tom costello. tom, walk us through the events of the past weekend starting with the arrests on friday. >> yeah i think there is a real sense here that this city, that baltimore has in fact turned the corner after the riots that we stau a week ago and more across all of baltimore. over the weekend, we saw hundreds even thousands of peaceful flon straet tors yet
again out on the street. this was really almost a carnival atmosphere at times, but at the same time, demonstrators, protesters insisting that they are going to hold the city and the police department accountable for freddie gray's death. since the protests turned violent more than a week ago, the police department reports 486 people have been arrested 200 businesses lost and the tragedy there is that half of them are minority owned and make that the vast majority of them are minority owned and the vast majority don't have insurance. in addition the police department reporting 113 officers were injured over the course of the past week. but things were peaceful enough over the weekend that the mayor ski decided that she wassing for going to lift the curfew. in addition that mall you may recall that was at the center of the looting and rioting more than a week ago, it reopened for business yesterday. i went inside it was beautiful. everything was up and running
just as you would expect. people were out playing basketball yesterday. the streets were are filled with people again. restaurants open again in the inner harbor a real sense things have returned to normalcy. as you know, the six officers involved in the gray arrest and they believe in his death have now been charged, would be as you one accused of second-degree murder. there is a sense here at least in legal circles and among prosecutorial circles around the country, there is talk that this prosecutor may have overreached, that she may have overstepped by charging all of them and she may have a difficult time proving that case. especially since there is no video evidence to support exactly how mr. gray apparently died in police custody, how he suffered that critical spinal cord injury. so that is the discussion this morning and whether in fact she'll be able to take this case all the way through and see it through. we can tell you that the first court appearance for the officers is set for at the end of the month.
mika and joe, back to you. >> tom costello thank you. i think the prosecutor is being put under the microscope and she's a fascinating figure who has emerged in this crisis in baltimore, which is really representative of the crisis that we're facing across the country. >> what do you think? >> i think that she did what she had to do. i have a sound bite i want to show people of her speaking over the weekend, which might raise questions to some but for the first time in, i don't know, about ten days, you had headlines that left baltimore hanging, that left the people of baltimore hanging, that made people absolutely reel are anger when it came to the mayor with comments that she made and the day after these arrests were announced front page of "new york times," swift action. that was something that was needed. one way or another, swift action. answers. and she's working on getting that. >> mark halperin did it she overreach? >> it came faster than people
thought and it's not clear to me still how she put the indictments together the individual charges. i heap for the i hope for the sake of the city that she has a solid case where presumption of innocence but it's a pretty sweeping indictment and certainly the 12350ed was speed was great for the city in the sense that people have something else now to focus on. >> tom costello said people in the legal circles were surprised. did you get a sense that maybe these officers could have been charged to bring peace to the city more than what hard evidence they had to put into those indictments? >> well, to be honest in terms of the overreaching, the answer is we don't know yet about what evidence is out there, what evidence she was looking at when she put forward the indictment. but truthfully when we look at the level in the charges put together, i think people in baltimore feel confident that there must have been something there, something that she's seen that she'll be able to present
when the case comes. and i think that is also what is giving people a sense of competence that at least we'll be able to air out and see. now, what is interesting is that people have said, so what will be the reaction of the city if there is no indictment. if there is an overreach. and i think the answer a lot fall on, but what happens if all there is an indictment if people now look at that and say well now great, everything is fine. without understanding the other core issues that are involved and not just the lead up to what happened with freddie gray but the other things baltimore has to wrestle with. >> she spoke on friday i believe, regarding the need for the community to rally behind its youth. take a look. >> this is bubbling up a culmination of that hopelessness. nothing trance krepds thescends the power of god and we have work to.
we he need to get out on the streets and talk to these young people. they are not thugs. they are our children. and they need us. they need us now. >> thought, mark halperin? >> she's a great speaker, but i think the city needs a big discussion about what's worked and what hasn't worked for the last 50 years. and i prefer that people focus on that. it's great to say the schools should be better but what is your idea for making them better. >> there a "washington post" article that asked yesterday why freddie gray's neighborhood had not improved despite $130 million in investment. we had people on this show this past week talking about, well you got to give more money, you got to send more money. well, you youu uyou do have to send all money, but the way we've been sending money over the past 50, 60 years has not worked. and last week when you try to
press some politicians, okay great, let's send money, and we will, i know americans will rise and write that check, but are you going to send money to schools that have failed? it's like our city councilman we had on friday, great, you can send money to a new school that is worth $8 million, but if you don't have a social fabric that he or she can grow up in in baltimore, you're burning your money. >> we have two presidential candidates with baltimore bases, one from the republican party, ben carson, announcing today, very conservative with different ideas about what would bring baltimore back and martin o'malley used to be mayor of the city. i'd love to have them have a debate. what can be dwupone differently. >> politicians say just spend more hone. >> hasn't worked. >> it has not worked. >> wes, you're a son of this city.
it's a shame it took this event to shine a spotlight on the problems. but what underlies that spasm of spry lens violence that we saw last week? >> i think there actually are some structural things that we actually can do in baltimore. for example we're six weeks away from schools being let out. i think we need to be serious about summer job programs where actually for kids that are looking for them that there are opportunities for them to fall into, but that also has to include some form of job training and also some type of holistic wrap around services. last year baltimore through the state received $1.2 billion in school construction funding over the next ten years for basically creating 21st century school inside baltimore. this creates an interesting opportunity for us to now think creatively. as we're thinking about 21st century schools, it's not just about paint and new buildings. but how do we create community hubs that people can get
involved in. and we have to think critically about expectations for our kids. but that's the biggest gap. the expectation gap is the biggest gap that we have within our city. >> we have a lot more to talk about especially in terms of the prosecutor. still ahead on "morning joe," he literally put himself between protestors and the police during the most heated moments this baltimore. congressman elijah cummings is here with his take on what went wrong and right during last week's events. plus he left the corner office at a financial powerhouse to lead the president's initiative on helping young men of color. joe even var i can't discusses the private sector's role in closing the opportunity gap.
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head while on duty saturday in queens. meanwhile the man suspected of shooting him, an ex-convict named demetrius blackwell, made his first court appearance yesterday,ing charged with attempteded murder and ordered held without bail. just yesterday news of another cop shooting this one taking place on chicago's south side as an officer was leaving his home for work. here is nbc's rehema ellis with more. >> reporter: a new york city police officer fighting for his life after being shot in the head in his patrol car this weekend, attempting to stop a suspect for questioning. >> this is a painful day for all new yorkers, a painful day for all members of the nypd. >> reporter: this less than six months after two nypd officers were shot and killed sitting in their patrol car. nationwide fbi statistics remind us policing is a dangerous job. as many as 70 officers have been ambushed and killed each year for the last 20 years. and thousands of officers are assaulted every year.
>> you don't get paid for what you do you get paid for what you you may have to do one day. and so there is in every day of law enforcement person's career the opportunity for great tragedy to occur in front of them or to them. >> reporter: in chicago, police say an off duty officer getting out of his car was shot by two men in an attempted robbery. and recently in tennessee what began as a routine traffic stop led to an officer being dragged by a vehicle. authorities say the ten year police veteran stayed calm enough to tell the assisting officer -- >> no, no no don't shoot. >> reporter: nationwide, police putting their lives on the line every day in the line of duty. >> that's incredible. >> and willie that of course is the side of the story that so many police officers didn't believe has been told over the past year. just how dangerous their job every single day they leave home, not knowing whether they will go home to their family. >> this young officer officer moore in new york 25 years old,
shot in the face. bullet went through his face came out the other side. critical but stable condition, he's in a medically induced coma. but these are brazen attacks. the two officers killed in new york earlier a few months ago, somebody just walking up on their car and executing them. >> and there is no doubt a cop's job is harder today because of the unrest and the controversy that we've seen over recent months. a cop's job is harder than ever. they are in the worst position ever. >> and it's always been hard. well coming up, is the hur case in baltimore a slam dunk? >> we'll talk to the former prosecutor who pressed charges against the police in one of new york city's post notorious episodes. wait, what is that? a new outdoor cleaner from scotts - it's powered by oxiclean and it's chlorine bleach-free so it's safe to use around grass and plants. get scotts new outdoor cleaner plus oxiclean. clean your outdoor space.
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it's 32 past the hour. we have to get to some politics here. the race for the white house expands today. dr. ben carson has announced his run for president and will give a speech from detroit later today, becoming the first african-american candidate to enter the field for republicans. and former hewlett-packard executive carly fiorina is also expected to announce her candidacy today, becoming the first woman in this year's cycle for the gop. recent polling has shown carson
within striking distance of the top of the field, but fiorina is farther back. mike huckabee is set to announce tomorrow. and for chris christie, it remains to be scene if he can hold together support. even his wife have been reaching out to key supporters telling them to keep their powder drive, in the wake of david wildstein's guilty plea for his role in the george washington bridge shutdown and two other indictments in the case. this has jeb bush seeks to make inroads in will to his network of -- >> so a lot to go over. let's start with chris christie.to his network of -- >> so a lot to go over. let's start with chris christie. indict goods news or bad news? >> good news in the short term one guy pleading guilty two indicted. we didn't know what they will say in the context of being problem cuted. >> obviously if they had anything on chris christie already, they would have put it in that indictment.
>> kelly saying if you think she was the only one who knew it's crazy. but a good day for him in that there was no more indictments based what he currently those. >> let's talk to the candidates -- >> not a good day. three people under him in his office are indicted? >> better than the alternative. >> all we're saying is he was not indicted. a lot of people have been suggesting from the very beginning that he would have been indicted. they did everything they could to find out whether he could have been indicted. he was not indicted. right now it looks like people under him. would you rather go out on a campaign trail and defend the fact you didn't have control of your office or would you you water go out and defend the fact that you were indicted? i would rather -- >> but a bad day in the sense that the case will still continue and there are other parts of the investigation that could get higher up. >> and bridget kelly could turn if she had any information.
let's go to the candidates. carly fiorina and ben carson. what do you make of those two? >> the poll numbers, look at any iowa, new hampshire poll there is nobody above 15%. >> they just don't matter. >> so my point is the two people announcing today, fiorina at 0, carson at 6. if they have a good couple weeks, they could be in first place if they surge. so i don't discount anybody in this feet this field. carson has his fervent support as anybody in the field. >> he does. and carly fiorina, we were at cpac and saw she did very well. and unlike a lot of people that were around four years ago, she came on this show and she and mika had a pretty tough back and forth. she certainly did very well, which a lot of candidates are not able to stand up under heat and she did. i think people that look at her
political performances in the past, which have been flat and stilted and uneven are making a big mistake going into 2016. the carly fiorina you you and i saw at cpac knew what she was doing. >> totally agree. and both are outsiders. she's run for office. he never has. neither of them have held elected office. that fits the mood not just of the republican party, because lot of people country. they will have to withstand scrutiny. with success comes scrutiny. and they both hope for success. let's see if they can handle the scrutiny. >> we saw that's a pretty crowded field. tomorrow mike huckabee jumps in the case and he always causes trouble in iowa and probably beyond. in a good way. >> in a good way. always fascinating. >> on wednesday, new york city mayor bill de blasio will be here onset. look forward to that. up next he's looking to turn the alleged murder of freddie gray into a game changing moment
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folks say you never amount to anything. i see me. when i see them i see the guy who had no hope but had a mother who believed in a god who sat high and look low. >> it's 41 past the hour. joining us from baltimore, racking memberrack ranking member of the committee of reform. very good to have you on the show. >> good to be with you. >> first question do you think the prosecutor did the right thing? >> i think that the prosecutor did the right thing because i believe in the prosecutor. 7:00 in the morning on friday before we even knew she was going to make a decision, i said that matterrilyn mosby some somebody that i trust, somebody that i believe in, somebody who is a daughter of two police officers
and her grandfather was a police officer, somebody who was was excellent lawyer and had highest integrity, and this is what i said. i said i believe that she would take the facts, she would measure them against the law and come to a just decision. and then i said these words. whatever she decides, based upon what i just said, that i would be of a be satisfied. >> wes same question. did she do the right thing in your opinion? >> i think she did the right thing because i think one thing we need to know, and i think both as a community and also as legal structure and legal system, i think people need to see the facts laid out. they want to see exactly what evidence people have they want to see exactly what are the facts to this case. and the interesting thing and i think people continue to talk about the speed of the prosecution, the speed of the charges, the speed of the charges is one thing.
actually i thought one of the more compelling things was the fact that all six were charged. why that is interesting is this it's not just going after understanding this case but it's understanding the culture of what happens. and what i mean by that is this. it's really a way we will examine this idea of toleration where if things happen and you don't act, are you just as responsible. and so i think i along with a lot of baltimoreans and i was happy to see the fact that we can now have an open dialogue about what happened that day and about how we move forward on it. >> elijah is there a culture of abuse among baltimore's police officers? >> i think clearly there is. a culture of excessive force. and part of it it dates back many years. i've seen young men standing on a corner in my neighborhood, waiting for the bus with their girlfriend, maybe they're 17 years old, trying to get to a movie. police come in jump out, have
them take their pants down in front of the girlfriend right on the corner check them ands back up and police leave. what do you think that does to the guy and the young lady both. >> we've been fwauk all thetalking about all the payouts. >> $6 million. >> $6 million. >> so here is what mike barnicle writes in the daily beast oig school of hard new yorks. when marilyn mosby states attorney stood before the cameras that introduced her to the world on friday as she declare that had six baltimore cops would face felony charges in the death of freddie gray she arrived with personal knowledge of how the streets can swallow young black lives when she was 14 her closest friend a 17-year-old cousin, was shot to death by 18-year-old kevin dennis. most people go to court seeking
justice in the case of freddie gray meanwhile the case of what occurs every day in the lives of so many poor people in the united states of america and why solutions seem so difficult to achieve or even address is barely on the docket. >> congressman, this is willie geist geist. you touched in this over the weekend where you said a movement was started because of what happened to freddie delay that will change schools, will change the lives of children. those were your words. how does it change somewhat happens tomorrow what happens next week and next month to change the lives of those kids so it doesn't happen again? >> great question. i've said it -- out of this moment must come a movement. i've gotten so many calls from foundations and private corporations, 81 members of the congress have called me. people wanting to help and change the culture and turn things around. and a lot of the things we'll
have to do are policy things but other things is make sure that the resources come to these communities that will help the freddie grays of the world. keep in mind the freddie gray's family had to deal with serious lead poisoning. he we just cut the lead poisoning budget by a third. and then there was a promised neighborhoods money that would help improve the neighborhoods. that was cut by 77%. let me tell you something. we cannot cut off these young people's futures. and when i talk to young people what i hear from them is that we simply want to have a chance. and a young man told me the other day, he said mr. cummings he said i feel like i'm in my coffin trying to claw highmy way out. >> you can't get a chance if there isn't justice, also. what we have to find out is what happens in this case. it has to -- i think what the
state's attorney has done was brave and world and i watched her speaking and i was thinking gosh it seems political. not sure i care. i'm really glad her voice is at the table. i'm really glad that she's there. congressman, thank you very much. coming up, a former u.s. attorney weighs in on the charges in freddie delay's death and gray' death. plus more than a week after the deadly earthquake in nepal, there are still stories of miraculous rescues. if you don't think seize the trip when you think aarp then you don't know "aarp". get inspired with aarp travel. plan and book your trip online and get hot travel tips from the pros. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities. [ female announcer ] when you're serious about fighting wrinkles, turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week fine lines appear to fade. one month deep wrinkles look smoother.
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51 past the hour. now to nepal where authorities say four more people including a 101-year-old man have been rescued from underneath the rubble of a local village more than a week after a devastating earthquake. it was a rare bit of good news in a disaster that has now claimed the lives of over 7200 people. the death toll is expected to climb much higher. nepalese officials yesterday said the recovery effort shifts to villages now further from the epicenter. ian williams reports. >> reporter: supplies at last getting to the shaken town. so we decided to recent on.
the damage to the town seem patchy and they do appear to be coping. so we're heading in to the hills above. four hours from kathmandu the roads are barely possible as we traveled with a teemgam of american doctors in search of villages still in need of help. we reach advilage of 1,000 people where we found almost every building destroyed. >> let's move all the drugs and the pharmacy closer to where we are. >> reporter: head of emergency medicine at stanford. and also medical director at yellowstone national park. both here with the international medical corps. they quickly discover that in spite of the massive damage nobody died here. incredibly, there were only 30 injuries. as most were working in the fields when the quake struck. >> we're seeing a few small items related to the earthquake itself some small wounds. the major injuries were all
evacuated. >> reporter: but behind the brave faces, this is a community still in shock. >> heavy overlay of stress. yeah, stress and no relief in sight for some of these folks. >> reporter: the pattern the doctors are finding in these more remoteville argues of is massive destruction, because community more or less intact but facing huge challenges in the weeks and months ahead. the most urgent need here is shelter. the monsoon rains just weeks away. because people have been living outside, the doctors are already treating respiratory problems and fear the outbreak of water waterborne diseases. they plan a base camp in the mountains. >> coming up at the top of the hour, two gun men are dead after opening fire at a controversial prophet muhammad cartoon contest. why the attendees say it is the
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friday in the death of freddie gray. good good. >> it's not clear how she put the indictments together. i hope for the sake of the city that she's got a solid case. >> case is perceived as being weak certainly by law enforcement people. >> i did not dedicate my life to making baltimore safer and more just place because it was easy. >> you're saying as mayor of this town, he took law enforcement too far? >> this was a street sweeping operation like none over. >> we have here 50 years of liberal policies that have not worked. >> please speaker boehner and his crocodile tears about the $130 million, that is a spit in the bucket compared to what we need do as a nation to rebuild our country. >> what the federal government is good atdoing is providing resources. what they're pad atbad at doing is dictating solutions. >> fascinating, that's what we've been talking about offset, that people basically say give us more money.
no solutions, just give us more money. as if the federal government has not been writing big checks for the past 50 or 60 060 years. most americans are like me. do you have a solution that will not be repeating what we've been doing? great. we'll write the check. but you can't just keep saying we're going to do the same things over and over and over again. just give us more money. because that is a copout. that is just as much of a copout as republicans saying hey, we'll cut taxes, grow the economy and lift the boat. >> 45 minutes from the nation's capital, you go there and the heart dies for the children of that city. the young people of that city who just want a chance at an opportunity. and if you want to help you have to say what has worked and what hasn't. and for the most part things haven't worked in that city for people who are looking for equal opportunity and equal chance in education and work.
>> and equal treatment in policing. >> and equal treatment in policing. and that means that old failed ideas can't be done over and over again. it's great it say spend more money, but what do you spend it on. not i would argue things that vice president worked in the past for 50 years. >> and a lot of people who are coming on tv on different shows and saying they're shocked at what they have seen and all the injustice taking place are the very people who run the city for the last 20, 40, 50 years. >> last week everybody was talking about -- it's so funny, i started talking about a breakdown of fatherhood in the inner cities and the fathers leaving the cities because i heard mike barnicle say, well, if the liberal from boston said it then maybe it's safe for the conservative from the deep south to say it. and everybody wants green racist -- well, they were just shocked. oh, it's the republicans that have done this. how dare i say it oh, my god, either he's the republicans, it's the republicans, it's paul
ryan. and then like 20 minutes later, there was a councilman from baltimore who said you know what the problem is? i go to events in town i go to pta meetings, and i'm the only man in there. but, oh, he's so right, he's -- you know, i mean, it's just a copout to blame this on republicans or democrats. and the reason why is because both parties have been writing big checks and the democrats have been running baltimore for 50 years. i'm sorry, it's the truth. it ain't like republicans win in maryland. and it's not like democrats haven't had a lock on the white house for the past 20 years or so. so i have said republicans are guilty of always wanting to cut the discretionary domestic spending. so they have to get real. but democrats have to get real too. >> don't let the moment pass. most important thing in not
letting the moment pass is let's try something different, let's try something that might work rather than stuff that we know doesn't work. >> stop saying write more checks, write more check. without daring to take on interests in your own party and the other party. >> and name names. >> because nobody will name names about who is in charge. >> things started looking a little different on friday. the city of baltimore is waking up after its first noncurfew night since last week's unrest.week long curfew was lifted sunday and national guard began its withdrawal as officials say tensions have eased. this is largely attributed to friday's arrest of six baltimore police officers in the death of freddie gray. all six officers have been charged with assault and misconduct, while four also face charges of involuntary manslaughter and three with with false imprisonment. the baltimore case will put the case squarely on the case of the prosecutor. here's what mosby had to say friday regarding the need for the community to rally behind its youth.
>> this is a bubbling up a culmination of that hopelessness. nothing transcends the power of god and we have work to do. we have work to do. we need to get out there on the streets and talk to these young people. they are not thugs. they are children. and they need us. they need us now. >> mika you had called me this weekend, and we were talking about her performance over the past weekend. why don't you tell people what you think. >> well, i just think that in many ways she has become the answer to baltimore's anger. for days and days and day we saw sort of lame slow just calm down just calm down action by the other mayors, which seemed -- by the hair and other leaders which seemed condescending at a time when something clearly terrible went wrong. and her words, i also septembernt you guys a youtube clip of it looked
like her speaking at a church event which maybe we can show later. she's clearly sort of driven to look for the right answers here and she's driven to take her own experience and her life growing up in a family of cops and apply to the realities in the streets of baltimore. and i'm very inspired by what has happened. i don't know if they should be convicted, but there are answers that need to be had and she's putting the process into place to get those answers. >> let's bring in alan vinegrad former u.s. attorney who has brought charges against officers, the big case in new york as far as police brutality goes in 1997 also in baltimore, we have a retired major from maryland state police and former baltimore police officer neal franklin. thank you both for being with us. mika talked about bringing the city together. obviously we saw a clip of ray kelly coming in. he said a lot of law enforcement officers think this is a weak
case. do you have any concerns about the case that has been brought about these six officers? >> i think mikafinger on it when she said i don't know if there will be convictions. it's the job of the prosecutor to get convictions. it's easy to bring charges. and so i think the test will be whether she can bruf that case in a court of law. i think she's got her work cut out for her. >> and why is that? >> well, number one, you don't have a live victim. and so there were very few people who can say what happened in that van and he's not around to do so. you have six officers who at various times know what happened in that van, who knows if any of help are actually going to speak out. they don't have to at a trial. they can just attack the prosecution's case. and never be heard. and so it seems as though it's going to be a circumstantial case about these officers misbehaving to such a degree that they violated criminal law. >> neal, what do you think concerns police officers in will
baltimore? do you think -- again you hear law enforcement agencies talking about a weak case. is there issis sense that this is more a political indictment rather than a legal one shall? >> among some that might the case, but through are officers who think otherwise. no judgment has been rendered yet. that will happen in a court of law. they will get their due process. what we're dealing with here is probable cause for making an arrest. and i think the difference here we hear this conversation about if you look across the country at prior cases involving police misconduct or criminal activity the state's attorney thes from cute tore prosecutor has elected to let the grand jury decide. and that's typically what we do when list officers are involved in some sort of questionable activity.
in this case, she's treating about as though she are citizens. and police officers are citizens first. if we look at this as we would a citizen investigated for criminal activity, yeah it's how it's done. charges are placed by the prosecutor and then we may go to a grand jury. and it's done in a reasonable amount of time as what you're seeing here. so people just aren't seeing this happen with police officers. >> we had renowned forensic psychologist seerl wecht here on "morning joe" on friday and he later appeared order cnn after charges against the police officers were announced. take a listen to this. >> this is the most egregious case in modern times that i can think of from the very beginning, they placed him in a hard tied position prone and brought his hands back behind him. >> we have not heard their side of the story.
he was flopping around in the van. >> well, i won't comment on whether this is the most egregious case. what i will say is this. the point is friday was the prosecutors saying there was probable cause to believe that there were crimes committed by these cops. and she's to be commended for doing an expeditious, thorough as she said independent investigation. now the difference is, in order to prove that case this court, charges have to be proved not by probable cause but beyond a reasonable doubt which is a higher standard known to law. and police officers are not ordinary citizens to differ with the comment we just heard. police officers have powers that ordinary citizens don't. ordinary jurors usually give the presumption of correctness to police officers that they're sworn to uphold the law, so it's counter intuitive to think that they would break it. so i think those are the challenges that the prosecution will face once this case gets in to court.
>> and how difficult, you can speak to this very well, is it try these cases with so much public attention on them and in the case of baltimore and in new york, there is at least annism pli indication that a conviction would help quell some of the anger and violence is this how do you handle that? >> and that is fine as a consequence of what you do. but as the prosecutor your job is to ghather all ergather all the evidence, and present the strongest case in court and let the chips fall where they may. i don't think it's the job of the prosecutor to quell unrest or community krupupsetness. >> on yesterday's "meet the press," stephanie rawlings-blake took back a statement saying it was taken out of con text. >> i certainly used the wrong phrase to talk about what was clear that there were people who
took advantage of the peaceful demonstrators first amendment rights and they used to decide our city. and i don't condone it and will make sure that those individuals will be held accountable. >> mark halperin let's talk about her performance. because you have to talk about leaders' performance in times of crises. i mean, of all the things that i saw that were troubling with her performance, i think one of the worst was i saw some clip where she was walking out of a room with al sharpton al was in front of her and he was talking to the press and she just sat there just looking straight forward, almost looked like her eyes were glazedoff. just completely out of it refusing to talk refusing to look at reporters. i don't think i've ever seen anything like that. >> it's been a big time test of her and i'd say she's not found her voice quick enough. it's hard, a lot of scrutiny, a lot of pressure about that but she's the mayor of the city and i think not just in the two instances we just talked about
but several others. >> report cards for the presidential candidates grade her performance. >> c-minus. >> that is a gentleman's c-minus. >> it's tough, but you shouldn't be mayor of a big city if you're not able to ham nagshandle national security crisis or like this. even when she made mistakes, i don't think you can wait that long to clean them up. >> neal franklin, thank so much. we showed a fascinating clip at the end of last hour of bridget kelly. >> yes. indicted on friday along with wildstein. former chris christie deputy chief of staff bridget kelly hit back at her accusers and critics in bridgegate. take a look. >> for over a year i have remained quiet while many of the people whom i believed in trusted and respected have attempted to publicly discredit and even humiliate me.
let me make something very clear. i am not guilty of these charges. i never ordered or conspired with david wildstein to close or realign lanes of the bridge for any reason. david wildstein is a liar. for the indictment to suggest that i was the only person in the governor's office who was wear of the george washington bridge issue is ludicrous. >> you've been saying you wanted to hear from her for a long time and you appear to be very fired up by what you heard. >> i'm not inspired. there are probably a lot of men who worked around her and with her and before her who should have chills running up their spines right now and probably do. that woman has a story and shall i she has not told it get but she will. >> they went out of their way to kick her around got very personal with leaks about her personal relationships inside
the governor's office. she has been wronged. and she's not going to go down quietly. >> remember she's the one who wrote the infamous traffic problems report. she said yesterday it was a failed attempt at sarcasm and hugh more in a long e-mail chain, but that was what was pulled out. and this whole thing has been pinned on her. the indictments that she said yesterday was one-sided for wildstein and she just called a liar of the port authority, and she's had to sit now for well over a year and hear her name dragged through the mud and she finally got her time to speak yesterday or a few days ago. >> we talked about off camera fascinating that the prosecutor said this will probably be the end of the indictments. how do you say that when you have bridget kelly and bill baroni possibly turning states evidence? >> it's one of the real mysteries. really strong performance by her and i agree, you watch that and there is a determination to it 245a that should worry people.
but she says on the one hand, she wasn't involved and wildstein is a liar even though the documents suggest she does. on the other hand, she said she wasn't the only one who knew. she said she wasn't involved -- >> she said she wasn't involved with conspiring with wildstein she wasn't involved in the story that has been set up about her. >> but wildstein is the one who shut down the bridge. so she says he's lying that they conspired. but then she's also saying other people knew about the event. so i don't quite get what her position is. was she involved or not involved? >> it sounds like she's saying that i've been set up to at that time fall for a bunch of guys in my office. >> i've never spoken to her. everything i know suggests to me that she would not have done this on her own. and that's what she's saying.
>> she was chief of staff, right? >> i'm trying to read her intentions in saying that. it certainly appears to be that she is pointing it towards possibly chris christie. >> well, she's pointing up. maybe not all the way up but she's pointing up. >> but did you say that about an assistant chief of staff or something? again, i'm not saying chris christie was responsible for anything. i've been the guy say, hey, don't just blindly shoot. and by the way the "new york times" fascinating, four articles on friday about this. and not one of them said oh, by the way, he wasn't in-kitsdictindicted. just one negative story after the other. >> the prosecutor is a very respected, he got one 34r50eplea from wildstein and they indicted two people. we don't know how much they engaged in plea negotiations or not. if those two go to trial, it
will be a problem. and christie we agree, good day because it could have been worse, but this thin goes on in a way that won't help him raise money. >> there is something about her story that has fascinated me. i've learned a lot about her. struggling personally. i think she has four kids. all i could see as this all un unwound was her being walked in or walked out next to the governor looking upset, frustrated maligned heartbroken and angry. today's the only way you can describe the look on her face over the past two years in any picture that you can find of her. >> except the one on friday. >> determined and strong. still ahead, frantic moments in texas as a gunman opened fire at prophet muhammad cartoon contest. >> we'll talk to someone who was there. plus the bold new cover story in the "new york times" magazine, we'll talk to the author about what he calls the making of a new civil rights movement.
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21 past the hour. two gunmen are dead after opening fire outside a controversial prophet muhammad cartoon contest. the event was taking place in garland a suburb less than 20 miles from dallas, tooegsexas. there was top prize of $10,000 and speakers included a dutch politician who was on an al qaeda hit list. the event was coming to a close when the gunmen drove up and started shooting. both suspects are dead after being shot theby police officers. most of the 200 people attending the event were still there and video shows the frantic moments when they were urged to stay inside. >> police officer has been shot two suspects have been shot. possibly have explosives on them. that's what we're we ared about edworried about. we'll move you in to the
auditorium in just a minute. remain calm. remain orderly. we'll take you into the auditorium a little further away from the front of the building. >> security guard bruce joiner was shot but expected to be okay. he was taken to the hospital and released. thousands of dollars reportedly spent on extra security for the event. police say there were no credible threats beforehand and they do not yet know if the shooting was directly related to the contest. nearby businesses were evacuated as a precaution. and the bomb squad was also called in. pamela geller of the american freedom defense initiative organized the contest. she says yesterday's shooting is proof is thisthis is a war on free speech and the war is here. >> joining us now katrina who was also and also assistant special agent in charge of the dallas division. katrina, let me start with you. we're glad you and everyone in that room were okay this morning
after what happened. describe what you saw last night as the events unfolded. >> sir thank you. afternoon thanks to the garland police department good morning. it was interesting because the event was pretty much over. everyone had stayed in there pretty much meeting each other, saying their hellos and shaking hands. so we weren't outside yet. and just when people were getting ready to head out, you could hear from the hallway people were yelling shots fired. so at that point, people moved towards the doors. but in a matter of second, garland p.d. came in secured all exits and said what you heard on the clip telling everyone to stay calm. they let us know there was an active shooter, that two people were down one was an officer. so we knew then that the situation was very serious, but everyone came together and did exactly what the officer said. at no point did anyone panic. and once we got into the auditorium, a woman had an american flag in her purse. she pulled it out and immediately everyone began
syncing god bless america america. and everyone bowed their heads and prayed particularly for the officer involved in the shooting, the officers there protecting us and mainly for our country. >> i actually watched a lot of videos from inside and it didn't seem to be panic from what i saw. jim, do we know anything horn about the two men killed yesterday by garland police in. >> so far we don't.horn about the two men killed yesterday by garland police in. >> so far we don't. thef to clear the car and the two bodies and everything that the actors brought there for explosive devices. homemade bombs or ieds if you will. once they get that daylight will help them, once they get that done, then they have to get their wall will he their cell phones drive the intelligence on this to see who they are, where they're from who is their confederates, what is the motivation. and that will all be going on very aggressively today. >> we still don't know who the
suspects are. why would their names not be released at this point? >> commanders want to serve search warrants on their houses. to get their commuters, their associates, search their houses evidence of where they purchased the weapon, ammunition, deep conspiratorial chain, or are they two lone actors. this group is very rowprovocative, so they could have traveled do this. apparently they were bent on mass murder. >> katrina there was a lot of security there last night, private security, gar land police department as you said and also from the school district including the unarmed officer who was shot. were you concerned at all for your safety as you entered that
event which you knew was controversial? >> i think we all you knew something could potentially happen, but this was actually an event that was scheduled in response to an event on january 17. another organization under the ghiz of the guise of the name sound vision which was hosting the event. and citizens of garland caught wind of this and they proesed the event because it's a public school building and it was paid for by tax dollars and they were hosting an anti-american and silencing a free speech event here in our city. so that was a proceed testprotest that had about 200, 300 people. so this event was scheduled particularly in response which is why there was so much security and why they were prepared the way they were and why many of us knew going in that there may be something that would happen that evening. >> and the dargar land police protected you well. thank you so much.
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in the bronx this afternoon announcing the formation of an independent foundation called my brother's keeper's alliance. a spendoff ofinoff of a initiative aimed at helping minority men and boys. joining us former ceo of deloitte llp, also with us co-founder and executive director of the brotherhood sister s.o.l., a harlem based organization. and from baltimore city, councilman brandon scott. good to have you all onboard with us this morning. >> joe, we asked the councilman to come back because he on friday, he talked about the need of -- he didn't just say, hey, send us more money because he said you can send a young man do a new $8 million school but if you don't have the culture from
the bottom up it doesn't z. no good. some this is something you've been obsessing about with president obama for some time how. >> absolutely. and credit the administration, this was an idea they had over a year and a half ago. basically trying to eliminate the opportunity in achievement gaps if for no other reason for the economics of business. and that's when i started participating. and the business organization jumped in and we're excited about that. >> and what is the end goal? >> simple. we want to change the lives of a quarter of a million boys and young men and color of the next three years. first of all, you have to start at the early ages. do you realize from birth to five young men of color boys kids hear 30 million less words than their peers? 30 million less words. they're not ready to enter school to learn. you don't enter school ready to learn, you don't graduate from high school, you don't go to secondary, you wind up being
unemployed and disconnected from society. we want to focus on those intervention points. >> tell us about brotherhood sister soul. >> these are the issues we've been working on for 20 years now. we were created in 1995, we're based here in new york city, but we're a national model now helping people around the country to look at what comprehensive services look like for young people. what we know is that you need a multilayered approach to help young people transform their lives, to break cycles of poverty. you need to work on he had case, on education, job access. but you also have to look at the policy implications affecting young people's lives. >> have we failed over the past 60 years? lbj talks about a war on poverty. people say poverty has won. you go to baltimore, things are worse today than they were 60 urks 70 years ago. how do we learn from our
mistakes and make it better? >> first we have to look at transformational education. we still haven't had the conversation in this country about what educational access looks like for everybody. >> what does that mean? >> that means high quality schooling regardless of the zip code. it means young people have the access to skill set, that their minds are being developed to compete. we don't have that high educational access. your zip code determines the level of education you receive. and that's simply inequitable and not something we can can allow. >> i want to hear yours other, but for all the billions of dollars that have been poured into the educational system, why don't we have better outcomes in the public schools? >> that's a very large question. but i think the core piece is that the expectations are not there across systems. if you walk into a poor performing school in new york city or in baltimore, you know that you're in a poor performing school. we know what excellent education looks like all across the country. we have models of what those
schools look like. why is it that we continue to have according to the bm administration 5,000 quote dropout facilities. we still allow that poor level of education to continue. so it's a comprehensive approach but you cannot separate it from poverty. the two have to run hand in happened to alleviate the conditions that young people face. >> so city councilman scott, you caught a lot of people's attention here. mark halperin was one, i was another, when you said it's not just you enough to write a check and send a young man to a new $8 million school. there has to be more support than that. just throwing money at the problem doesn't fix the problem. tell us about it. >> no it definitely doesn't. we know that as everyone has been saying thus far we have to think about the family issues and the family structure. we have to -- are they ready when they get to school can they read by third grade on grade level because those things determine how successful they will be in life and we have
organizations here like center for urban families like joe jones, we need more organizations like that trying to correct these family issues and structural issues. but we have to have policy changes, as well. if we have young people living in neighborhoods where they have no supermarket but 20 liquor store, we know the health impacts that will have. and throwing money at the problem is just not going to solve it. we have to tackle of all of these issues one by one but in a simultaneous matter. >> what made the difference in your life, what made the difference in some of the other people's lives? i mean is it always a parent? we had elijah cummings talking about his mom that believed in him and a bigger erger god. that was the difference. at the end of the day, does it come down to a strong mother or strong father or strong mother and father? >> it comes down to a strong somebody. for me personally, i'm one of these kids that went to an innercity school in the south
bronx. i grew up this a single parent household, but my mom made sure i got up every morning and i got to class every morning. she was after me. so there has to be a strong presence in somebody's life. nobody gets here on their own. nobody. and the thought that shall be gets here allby themselves is just naive. >> everyone says you can't throw money at the problem although it's how to use it wisely and also how to inspire that strong somebody or that some sort of family unit or the family unit. and a city like baltimore where there are a lot of lost kids. >> and i think the danger is anytime look at a situation as complex as this to look for only one solution. you need strong parents and strong families but you also need access as we've talked about to educational opportunity. here in new york city only 68% of kids are graduating from high school. only 25% are graduating college ready. so when we think about the fact that the wealthiest city in the country only 25% are graduating able to matriculate to a
community college, it reflects the level of education that we're providing. and so you can have a wonderful home, but if you're going to a school that is providing an eighth grade education, you're not being educated to compete in society. we have to tackle it all. it's a big issue but it is the issue for the country. >> i think everyone wants to make sure that this moment is seized. what is the one thing that can happen soon to change the way children's lives are led in baltimore? >> there are many things. every child on the waiting list for a mentor we could have the volunteers step up do that. we have a piece of legislation before the city council, two pieces of legislation before the city council right now, one that will sell garages in order for the city to build more modern recreation centers and another in our zoning code that would close 100 nonperforming liquor stores that would transform some of these neighborhoods including
where will this incident happened. so those are just some immediate things that can happen and we have to push that moving forward. now, listen, i grew up this a baltimore that was 100 times worse than this. but once you've had better you just want the best. and that's what we have to want every day for our city. >> councilman brandon scott, thank you very much. joe, very good to see you. good to have you all on. up next, if politics is about the company you keep it could spell trouble for chris christie's presidential prospects. the new jersey governor is looking to separate himself from a former staffer who is pleading guilty to a conspiracy over the bridgegate scandal. press reporting straight ahead. julie: for 20 years, i was afraid. afraid of getting sick and having no health insurance.
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resources, to carry out a vendetta and exact political retribution against a public official who would not endorse the candidate of their choice. they manufactured and perpetuated a bogus cover story to cover their tracks. >> 43 past the hour. u.s. attorney paul fish mapman laying out case against three former aides. one pleading guilty and cooperating. the other intoerther two insist they will be proven innocent. we have learned that one of them, bill baroni will make a statement just two hours from now. governor christie maintains he knew nothing about the scheme and his allies are seeking to salvage a potential 2016 presidential bid. and joining us now onset, ted mann his october 2013 story helped reveal the motive behind this scandal. ted, how did the government's findings hatch up with ss match up
with the christie administration's -- they it an investigation -- with what they found? >> they will tell you the government's findings were exactly what they said, that nothing is new here. what fishman said and what we know so far is that essentially we can finally start calling the cover story what it is that they have stopped saying there was any pretense of legitimate study happening. and that what is actually going on is some attempt to punish somebody. >> so is christie's office right, do the two match up, does the christie investigation match up with what the u.s. attorney found? >> what they have said is that the u.s. attorney vindicates the government. but they have said there are unnamed other individuals who might be named later, but they don't say that he's been exonerated.
>> mark halperin was take youlking about moore in-re indictments. >> he said he doesn't expect anymore indictments related to the bridge. >> again i'm not asking a leading question, but chris christie would say if he were asked, sdwnt thatdoesn't that vindicate me? >> if you were expecting that he might face criminal charges then perhaps it does. what we don't know is whether this investigation has proved that anyone in the administration knew more than they were letting on about what was being done. >> but leave christie aside. if he's still got some prosecutions to be done, if he's still looking for more information, how -- why would he go out of his way to say no one else is expected to be indicted? >> i think he's being legitimate. he also said that he expects that there are people not named now who may be named later.
it runs counter to him saying that in the plea deal that says there are other people potentially involved. and i think, and i'd love to hear you on this, from what we know about bridget kelly, she probably is telling the truth when she says other people knew. >> only she knows whether she's telling the truth but certainly that is the potential witness that the christie administration is expecting that -- like she did on friday that the knowledge goes a lot higher and that basically what they have enduring themselves for. >> i'm not suggesting chris christie knew anything because there is no evidence to suggest that, but it sort of defies common sense test does it not, to think that bridget kelly, a
deputy chief of staff, would unilaterally attempt, a, and b, have the power to shut down traffic on the george washington bridge. >> yeah i don't think anyone would think that that level of official could make a decision like that unilaterally. but we just don't know. >> who is above her. >> at the time she was deputy chief of staff. so the chief of staff is the primary person who would have been above her. the other thing is that with the port thortauthority, you're dealing with a number of other officials who should have known when they're doing something. certainly they kept it secret from the new york side of the agency, but there were others probably aware something else was in the works. but we didn't know how broad that was. >> we'll see what else bridget kelly, bill baroni and wildstein will reveal. coming up, wall street journal -- >> do you feel vindicated from your first reports? >> there is nothing personal
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. we are one day away from the official release of the book "clinton cash" the controversial new book about foreign donations to the clinton foundation. it's raise serious questions about bill clinton's donors and serious questions about hillary clinton's actions as secretary of state. now bill clinton is speaking out. >> it's been a very deliberate attempt to take the foundation down. i don't think there's anything sinister in trying to get wealthy people in countries that are seriously involved in development to spend their money wisely in a way that helps poor people and lifts them up. >> the former president also revealed that he would consider stepping down or taking a smaller role in the clinton foundation if his wife hillary is elected president. clinton added he will not stop giving his high-priced speeches saying in part "i've got to pay
our bills." [ laughter ] >> they can't help themselves. >> he also said he prepares several hours for each speech. >> they can't help themselves. "we've got to pay our bills." what are they doing? >> that's the main source of their income. >> he says he gives a lot of it to the foundation every year. >> you know what joe theismann says during the nfl strike? the bigger the slice, the bigger the appetite. >> they made $150 million already and they've got to pay their bills? he goes and gives a speech and once she became secretary of state he made $550,000 for an hour. >> he says he prepares several hours for each speech. do the math joe. >> that's pretty good. that's $150,000 an hour. well the question isn't really about, mika helping poor people and lifting them up we all support that. but when you lift poor people up and lift yourself up at the same
time and do so in a way that has t the "new york times" and "washington post" and "wall street journal" questioning whether there's a quid pro quo, i think that's the issue. nobody wants to take cgi down. we've been over there before several times, it's a great organization we're inspired by work they do across the global but the clintons are helping themselves when they help others. that's the problem. >> that's one issue, whether they were helping themselves. i think the other is how do you operate as secretary of state while you're dealing with people in these foreign countries, very high-level people, even the countries themselves through the foundation that is -- and your husband is -- it's all kind of complicated and confusing and perhaps even impacting on policy choices. >> and the probably here willie, is the piece drawing those lines -- you can't blame it on the koch brothers roger
ailes, they're coming on. >> new members of the white ring conspiracy. >> pretty soon they'll suck the nation into it. but i think you made the important point. it's a small minority of people questioning some of the incredible work the clinton global initiative does. >> they've done incredible work. >> the "wall street journal" has. >> well, yes, but not impugn everything it does. they do good work around the world. the question is was there influence gotten from doe from the clinton global in addition. >> and they had to scrub the server and now bill clinton just added something to the lexicon of clinton -- maureen dowd i can't wait to read your column on sunday. "we've got to pay the bills." $550,000 speech, got to pay the bills. $150 million, got to pay the bills. if i had $150 million only bills i would be paying would be like -- well, i wouldn't be. i'd be on the beach somewhere. >> on a boat. >> on a boat.
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good morning, everyone. welcome to "morning joe." >> a lot to talk about this weekend. a couple of sporting events i wanted to talk about. not because they were sporting events but unfortunately because of a story that runs through both of these events. but first of all, i have to wish you happy birthday happy birthday. >> thank you. >> and willie happy birthday. >> birthday weekend. mika saturday, then me. >> yours was a national holiday as you said. >> we observe through the weekend when it's both of ours. >> exactly. >> were you back in town to see the fight? >> i do not see the fight. i was not somewhere where it was available. >> what about you? >> sound asleep by the time that thing start did you watch it? >> i watched it. mika and i disagree on this
stuff. i grew up a huge boxing fan. it was ali versus fraserzier. it was a golden age of boxing. there was not a lot golden about this event but if you've followed boxing your whole life it was a good defensive battle. the money was staggering willie, and unfortunately i -- i didn't know much about these two guys. i didn't realize mayweather had seven different assault charges from five different women. john oliver calls him a "woman-battering human landfill." he is not a good person. >> no he's not. and a lot was written -- >> and he took home $150 million? >> they're reporting $180 million is his purse. his record is long and people who covered the sport know about it. a couple of women, michelle beadle at espn and rachel nichols at cnn were deny credit
den shls for the fight because they have been outspoken about floyd may weather's background and his camp said "we don't want these two women there covering this fight." >> they banned people that reported on this. and mika even -- i don't know whether to say even more disturbing than that but that film about jameis winston that's coming out that anybody that looks at that film and looks at the witness knows that something horrible went wrong, including a coverup in tallahasse. i just said it a coverup in tallahasse. i'll say it again, a coverup in tallahasse. you better run for cover. you really better run for cover because it's coming after you. i have never seen anything as disgusting as that film. >> so he's a florida --
>> on campus rain. >> he's a florida state student part of the nfl draft. >> that's the news angle on this. the number-one draft pick after all the talk about the nfl this last fall they're going to look at character, character was going to count finally and not just athletic prowess. . i read an article, i forget what magazine after the mayweather fight that said "jesus doesn't care about muscle mass" talking about mayweather. well, the nfl doesn't care about rape charges or character. if you look at what happened with jameis winston, again, i don't know willie you were out. this guy tweeted pictures i think or instagramed pictures right after being drafted number one, after having all these charges, not allegations, look at the tape, look at the film, look at the witness, look at the events.
"the hunting ground. right after being raped she immediately went to the hospital immediately got dna evidence immediately and jameis winston walked and now he's the number-one draft pick in the nfl.nfl nfl. really? >> well remember he had that incident last season where he stole crab legs from a grocery store down there inial tallahasse and the picture he instagram having been drafted number one was a plate of crab legs. maybe an fu or a joke. this movie "the hunting ground" is going to be great. we've only heard one side of that story, jameis winston and florida state. now she's coming out. >> i watched it with my daughter over the weekend. it's an incredible report and she's -- it's -- it's impossible, it's impossible to believe that nothing happened to her. >> it's impossible to watch her.
it's impossible to watch her parents. >> sorry, that's my opinion. >> it's impossible to look at the events without looking at winston and looking at the people in tallahasse who let this young girl down who was shoved into a bathroom and her face shoved into the floor and raped and nobody nobody supporteder in tallahasse because they had a national championship they wanted to win. number-one draft pick. the number-one draft pick. thank you, nfl. thank you tampa bay buccaneers. you've shown once again that character does not matter to our children. i didn't watch much nfl this past year i'm probably going to watch none of it next year. >> well, the nfl showed they've learned nothing, actually. after everything. >> absolutely nothing. a guy with a series of incidents gets the most -- you can't get better than being the number-one draft pick in the nfl.
>> let's ees's to the shooting in texas where two gunmen are dead after a prophet mohammed cartoon contest. the event was taking place in a suburb less than 20 miles from dallas. there was a top prize for best cartoon and speakers included a dutch politician on an al qaeda hit list. the event was coming to a close when the gunmen drove up to a building and started shooting. both suspects are dead after being shot by police officers. officials say the entire incident lasted a matter of seconds. most of the 200 people attending the event were still there. video shows the frantic moments when they were urged to stay inside. >> a police officer has been shot, two suspects have been shot, possibly have explosives, that's what we're worried about right now. we are going to move y'all into the auditorium here in just a minute. i need everybody to remain calm become orderly, we're taking you to the auditorium further away from the front of this building. >> security guard bruce joiner
was shot by the gunmen but is expected to be okay. he was taken to the hospital and later released. thousands of dollars were reportedly spent on extra security for the event. police say there were no credible threats beforehand and they don't know if the shooting was directly related to the contest. nearby businesses were evacuated as a precaution and the bomb squad was also called in. pamela geller of the american freedom defense initiative organized the contest and she says yesterday's shooting is proof that "this is a war on free speech" and "the war is here." nbc news correspondent jacob rascon is there. what do we know? >> reporter: the bodies of the two gunmen are behind me about 50 yards so we don't have information about the suspects themselves. we simply know they have been killed and are still on scene. we know there were a series of tweets sent out before the shooting actually happened.
those tweets and twitter accounts have been suspended and they seem to hint at a warning. one of them even 20 minutes before the attack using the hashtag "texas attack" and speaking with references to islam. again, that account has been taken down and those have not been confirmed. we simply know that those tweets were sent out. now, the police investigation has not stopped, of course. we have know swat officers were in fact on scene before the event even happened. as you mentioned, a massive police presence already there and since the gunmen have been killed, we know the bomb squad and fbi on scene and we have heard since, police spoke to us last, three or four different explosions. of course, they're going in making sure that that car is okay and not filled with any explosive devices. shortly after 10:00, a police spokesperson said this. >> we're considering their car as possibly containing a bomb so our bomb unit is there, they're
still working on that vehicle and that's where we are at this time. so far as identifications or anything coming in we've not touched their bodies because they're close by the car. once that's cleared, we'll find out who they are and exactly what was going on. >> reporter: moving forward, the central question of course, is who were these two men and were they in fact responding to what was going on, this so-called free speech event. of course, we'll have the latest as the details become available. jacob rascon in garland, texas. >> joining us now, the former assistant special agent in charge of the joint fbi/nypd terrorism task force don borrelli. don, good to have you with us. there was heavy security around this event. there were police there were private security guards and from the independent school district unarmed guards including the one shot there. it was that police presence that probably saved a lot of lives last night. >> absolutely. it seemed that the event organizers knew that this was
going to be kind of on the list of -- for these groups watching potential terrorists. so you had plenty of police officers on board and they acted properly. >> and, don, how do you approach an event like this. a free speech event. it's a speech a lot of people find provocative. obviously that's not a reason or ever a justification to attack it but as somebody who looks to protect people and prevent terrorism, how do you look at these events? >> well it is again, the question of free speech versus what is inflammatory. we saw what happened in paris. we saw what happened in copenhagen and now this happened in garland, texas. so this is the challenge for law enforcement also to be out in front of these potential events try to get as much intelligence up front and see if there's individuals like the two that attacked this event and try to stop it before it starts. this is the biggest challenge. >> all right don borrelli
thanks so much. we always appreciate your perspective on these stories. thank you. >> the city of baltimore is waking up after its first non- non-curfew. the national guard began its withdrawal as officiallies say tensions v eased. this is largely trabted to friday's arrest of six baltimore police officers in the death of freddie gray. all six officers have been charged with assault and misconduct while four face charges of involuntary manslaughter and three with false imprisonment. yesterday congressman elijah cummings spoke of freddie gray's legacy during a day of prayer for the city. >> a little boy, a little boy was growing up trying to be somebody. his house was filled with lead. his mother had all kinds of difficulties and problems and he died a sad and tragic death. but in the moment of his death,
god created a movement. a movement that will change schools and children's lives all over this country. >> joining us live from baltimore, nbc news correspondent toms to s tocostello. walk us through the event, tom, starting with the arrests on friday. >> i think there's a real sense here mika that this city, that baltimore has turned the corner after the riots we saw a week ago and more across all of baltimore. over the weekend we saw hundreds, even thousands of peaceful demonstrators yet again out on the street. this was really almost a carnival atmosphere at times but at the same time demonstrators, protesters insisting they are going to hold the city and the police department accountable for freddie gray's death. since the protests turned violent more than a week ago, the police department reports 486 people have been arrested, 200 businesses lost and the tragedy there is that half of them are minority-owned and --
make that the vast majority of them are minority owned and the vast majority don't have insurance. in addition, the police department reporting 113 officers were injured over the course of the past week. but things were peaceful enough over the weekend that the mayor decided that she was going to lift the curfew that 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. curfew that had been in effect since last tuesday. in addition, that mall you may recall, the shopping mall at the center of the looting and the rioting more than a week ago, it reopened for business yesterday. i went inside it was beautiful, everything was up and running as you would expect people were out playing basketball yesterday, the streets were filled with people again, restaurants open again in the inner harbor a real sense that things have returned to normalcy. as you know, the six officers involved in the gray arrest and in his -- they believe in his death have been charged in his death. one of them as you know accused of second degree murder. there is a sense here at least in legal circles and among prosecutorial circles around the
country, there's talk that this prosecutor may have overreached. because she may have overstepped charging all of them and may have a difficult time proving the case, especially since there is no video evidence to support how mr. gray apparently died in police custody, how he suffered that critical spinal cord injury that eventually led to his death. so that's the discussion this morning and whether, in fact she'll be able to take this case all the way through and see it through. we can tell you the first court appearance for the officers is set for -- at the end of the month. mika and joe being to you guys. >> nbc's tom costello, thank you i think the prosecutor is being put under the microscope. she's a fascinating figure has emerged in this crisis in baltimore which the representative of a crisis we're phrasing across the country. >> what do you think? >> i think she did what she had to do. i have a soundbite i want to show people of her speaking over the weekend which right raise
questions for some. but for the first time in ten days you had headlines that left baltimore hanging, that left the people of baltimore hanging, that made people absolutely reel with anger when it came to the mayor with comments that she made and the day after these arrests were announced, front page of the "new york times" "swift action." that was something that was needed, one way or another. " "swift answers." >> mark halperin did she overreach? >> it came faster than people thought and it's not clear how she put those indictments together, the individual charges. i hope for the sake of the city that she's got a solid case with the presumption of innocence for the sfers. at the same time, it's a sweeping indictment and the speed of it was great for the city in the sense of people have something else to focus on besides the violence. >> wes moore, tom costello said people in legal circumstance ts were surprised and thought she might have trouble getting these
convictions. did you get a sense that maybe these officers could have been charged to bring peace to the city more than what hard evidence they had to put into those indictments? >> well to be honest in terms of the overreaching, the answer is we just don't know. we don't know yet about what evidence is out there. we don't know what evidence she was looking at when she put forward the indictment. but truthfully when we look at the level and the charges put together, i think people in baltimore feel confident that there must have been something there, something she's seen that she'll be able to present when the case comes and i think that is also what's giving people a sense of confidence that at least we'll be able to air out and see. now, what's interesting is that people have said so what's going to be the reaction of the city if there's no indictment? if there is an overreach? if there is no prosecution. and i think the answer that a lot of baltimoreans fall on is but what happens if all there is is an indictment where if after what happens in terms of being
on the case of this incident if people now look at that and say, well, great, now everything is fine. without understanding the other core issues that are involved and not just the leadup to what happened with freddie gray but the other things baltimore has to wrestle with right now. >> she spoke on friday i believe regarding the need for the community to rally behind its youth. take a look. >> this is a bubbling up a culmination of that hopelessness. nothing transcends the power of god and we have work to do. we have work to do. we need to get out there on those streets and talk to these young people. they are not thugs. they are our children and they need us. they need us now. >> wow. thoughts, mark halperin. >> she's a great speaker but i think the city needs a big discussion about what's worked and hasn't worked for the last 50 years and i'd prefer the forward-looking people focus on that. it's great to say the schools
should be better but what's your idea for making them better? >> there's a "washington post" article that asks yesterday why freddie gray's neighborhood had not improved despite $130 million in investment. we had people on the show this past week talking about, well you've got to give more money, you have to send more money. well, you do have to send more money, we all agree you have to send more money, but the way we've been sending money over the past 50 60 years has not worked. and last week when you tried to press some politicians, okay great, let's send money and we will. i know americans will rise and write that check but are you going to send money to schools that have failed? it's like our city councilman we had friday. great, you can send noun a new school that's worth $8 million, but if you don't have a social fabric that he or she can grow up in in baltimore, you're
burning your money. >> we've got two presidential candidates with baltimore bases, one from the republican party with ben carson, who's announcing today, very conservative with different ideas of what would bring baltimore back and martin o'malley who used to be the mayor. i'd love for them to have a debate. john boehner weighed in with chuck yesterday. what can be done differently? what's happened in the city hasn't worked. >> politicians would just say spend more money. it has not worked. >> wes, you're a son of the city you have a lot invested in the town it's a shame it took these events to shine a spotlight on the problems of baltimore. the way you look at it what underlies that spasm of violence we saw last week? >> so i think there are some structural things that we actually can do in baltimore. for example, we're six weeks away from is schools being let out. we need to be serious about summer job problems for kids
looking for them, that there are opportunities for them to fall into but that has to include job training and that has to include wholistic wrap around services. last year baltimore through the state received $1.2 billion in school construction funding over the next ten years for basically creating 21st century schools inside of baltimore. this creates an interesting opportunity for us to now think creatively. as we're thinking about 21st century schools, it's not just about paint and new buildings but how to create community hubs that people can get inherently involved in? and we have to think critically about expectations we have for our kids because that's the biggest gap, the expectation gap is the biggest gap we have in our city. >> still ahead, a new reminder about the dangers of those sworn to protect and serve. the latest on the new york city police officer fighting for his life after being shot in the line of duty. plus, the markets look for another winning day on wall street, cnbc's sara eisen has business before the bell.
but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we're turning up the heat today. a little taste of summer from lose all the way back into the northeast. even vermont could get up into the 80s today. 87 in st. louis, these temperatures are easily ten to 15 degrees above average. a lot of the warmth will last all week long. a little rain through illinois. chicago, you're in the clear for now but later this afternoon severe weather returns to the central plains. i'm not expecting many tornados but we will see the chance of some large hail and damaging winds. areas of concern, about six million people from omaha to des moines just north of st. louis and area back here in west texas. the other story that will develop during this week is the possibility of our first named system in the tropics. yes, it is early for this to occur but it could be happening around the bahamas and clipping florida or just off the southeast coast. this won't become a big storm but it could be subtropical storm anna throughout the end of
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welcome back to "morning joe." a 25-year-old nypd officer named brian moore remains in critical but stable condition after being shot in the head while on duty saturday in queens. meanwhile, the man suspected of shooting him, an ex-convict named deme treeus blackwell made his first court appearance yesterday. he's being charged with attempted murder and is ordered held without bail. yesterday news of another cop shooting. this one taking place on
chicago's south side as an officer was leaving his home for work. here's nbc's rehema ellis with more. >> reporter: a new york city police officer fighting for his life after being shot in the head in his patrol car this weekend air, weekend, attempting to stop a suspect from running. >> this is a painful day for all new yorkers and the nypd. >> reporter: this less than six months after two nypd officers were shot and killed sitting in their patrol car. nationwide, fbi statistics remind us policing is a dangerous job. as many as 70er ifs have been ambushed and killed each year for the last 20 years and thousands of officers are assaulted every year. >> you don't get paid for what you do you get paid for what you may have to do one day and so there is an everyday of law enforcement person's career the opportunity for great tragedy to occur in front of them or to them. >> reporter: in chicago, police say an off-duty officer getting
out of his car was shot by two member in an attempted robbery. and recently in tennessee what began as a routine traffic stop led to an officer being dragged by a vehicle. authorities say the ten-year police veteran stayed calm enough to tell the assisting officer -- >> don't shoot, don't shoot. >> reporter: nationwide, police putting their lives on the line everyday in the line of duty. >> that's incredible. >> willie that of course is the side of the story many police officers don't believe has been told. just how dangerous the job is every single day they leave home not knowing whether they'll come home to their family. >> this young officer, officer moore, shot in the face. the bullet went through his face, came out the other side. critical but stable condition, he's in a medically induceed coma. these are brazen attacks. the two officers killed in new york earlier a few months ago, someone just walking up on their car and executing them. >> and there's no doubt a cop's
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in the -- >> regular working americans look and say $500,000 for a speech? >> but why shouldn't every -- it's the most independence i can get. i don't -- if i had a business relationship with somebody they would have a target on their back from the day they did business with me till the end. any kind of disclosure is a target. but it looks bad. there's no fact withes of course, but it looks bad. i worked hard on this. i spend a couple hours a day just doing the research, people like to hear me speak and i have turned down a lot of them. if i think there's something wrong, i don't take it and i disclose so people can make up their own mind. >> she's now running for president, will you continue to give speeches? >> oh yeah i've got pay our bills. >> well. >> wow. >> i -- >> mark halperin?
>> that's the family business now. >> it's a good-paying family business. "we've got to pay our bills." is. >> that's going to get a lot of attention. >> i'm going to let that -- people can make their -- i'm sort of baffled at the entire conversation actually. >> you know what's so amazing about the clintons -- there's so many things but their ability to continue to paint themselves as the victim. so here we are the clintons are racing towards a net worth of $200 million and they are still painting themselves as the victims of a vast right wing conspiracy, this time it's the "new york times" and the "washington post" and we left the white house without any money and now racing towards a net worth of $200 million from giving speeches we're now
talking about "i have to pay my bills." and "i didn't take any capital gains." it's baffling. why? >> it inspires me to say the two things i keep saying "they are hold a higher standard but they bring a lot of this on themselves." elsewhere in the interview he talked about how the foundation made mistakes in terms of disclosure. when you're a former president and you've made a deal with the state department you can't make mistakes and if you do you have to be forthright about them. >> let me push back a great deal on what you just said. the clintons are not held to a higher standard, the clintons are held to the lowest of all standards for some reason. >> i disagree. >> you look at bob may going to jail, going to jail for 30 months because he put something on the house floor, because he'd gone golfing in scotland six months earlier. bob mcdonald sitting in jail
right now and his wife is going to jail or either sitting in jail because he held a reception at the governor's mansion for some dietary supplement because he got a rolex watch and -- which wasn't tactually violating the law. no other politicians on the planet would be able to -- at least in america would be able to survive this. mika we've talked about this before. if you had all of these questions that the "new york times" were raising, that the "washington post" was raising, the "wall street journal" is raising, that the top newspapers in america are raising, people's campaign s campaigns would be suspended. not just republicans. democrats would be suspending their campaign and lawyering up based on everybody else being sent to jail for a hot tub in their backyard or what happened to ted stevens or what happened
to -- well, bob menendez. my god, look at bob menendez's case. he's got indictments against him for a chummy relationship with a doctor? let's talk about bill clinton. you've said this yourself. bill clinton's relationship with his canadian friend which keeps getting more and more ink written about him. >> but what official acts did they take in exchange for something of value? >> well that's why we have investigations. i could ask the same -- >> but they'll find nothing. >> i could ask the same thing of bob menendez we could talk about whether it was the russian deal or the indian deal. we could go through a lot of different things that newspapers are investigating right now that certainly seem everybody bit as nefarious and questionable as bob menendez's deal with a
doctor in south florida. much more money has exchanged hands and there have been much bigger policy ramifications for what investigators or newspaper investigators, investigations are looking at right now. >> mark, do you disagree? >> there's a difference. bob menendez took money he benefited from personally and performed official acts on behalf of that person. there's no evidence -- yets that -- that the clintons did that. >> and that's what the "new york times" and the "washington post" is looking at. ful but what we can do here's a great thing. we can look at their e-mail mika, on what hillary clinton was doing because there are all of these questions when she was in the state department and we can look at the e-mails that were exchanged, whether it was the colombian free trade deal or whether it was the russian uranium deal or whether it was this relationship with this canadian billionaire or whether -- i mean, we could down a list of five six, seven, eight things that the "new york times" and the "washington post" and the "wall street journal" are looking into right now and
ask those questions. >> thank goodness. >> oh wait a second no we can't. ron fornier, the day it was wiped clean he started talking about the foundation and the money. he said "i've been covering the clintons since they were in arkansas, this is what they do and now we're not going to be able to do the investigation we need to do on all this money." >> all right -- >> but at least they can pay their bills. >> it's time now for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. sara, what will be moving the market this is week? >> reporter: serve watching mcdonald's. it's a dow component. today is a show-me day for mcdonald where's the brand new ceo, steve eastabrook came in on march 1 and will be laying around the turnaround strategy. how they're going to turn this giant ship of mcdonald's which has seen ugly results in terms of sales numbers in the u.s. and internationally over the last few years, so far he's giving a
video presentation right now on mcdonald's web site. he says the u.s. is an early turnaround, progress will be bumpy. a bit of news if youer a living in new york city mcdonald's will be delivering on one of the food delivery option which is chipotle uses. he's also talking about how he'll rearrange the structure of mcdonald's, corporate structure. he says we are not on our game and we need to catch up with customers. we'll see. over the last three months investors are optimistic. i also want to bring sad news about david goldberg passing over the weekend. the husband of cheryl andbergsendberg, the coo of facebook and the ceo of survey monkey talking about how he contributed to the tech culture. >> do we know the cause of death yet?
>> we don't, know. it was very sudden. he was 47 years old. it was confirmed by his brother on facebook but they haven't given a reason yet. we know he was a board member at disney and they're delaying their earnings release so they can attend his funeral. >> cnbc's sara eisen, thank you very much. >> i just want to say about mcdonald's, i can order a big mac now in new york that's amazing. secondly, mcdonald's has already made changes. so many of their problems have to do with perceptions but. the mcdonald's problems should be defined as people think you're something that you're not. they are not the mcdonald's they were five six, seven years ago. >> we're going to look at this tomorrow morning. they may have to close down a couple different branches but also shorten the menu. it's gotten complicated. still ahead, what motivated a administrator to become one of the leaders of the protest movement after fergsz. that's next.
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joining us now, a writer for the "new york times" magazine jay caspian king. the cover story for the may 10 issue is out today. in it jay profiles two of the most prominent leaders of the protest movement against police violence that began in ferguson and continues a i cross the country today. who are the two leaders? >> dare mckesson and jeanette elsy. >> what do you think of the swift decision in baltimore in light of the piece you've been working on. >> i think i like many people was surprised at how quickly the decision came and the extent of the charges. i know a lot of the activists in the movement are also surprised so i think there's universal surprise everywhere. i don't think anyone expected that. >> is that a result of what's happened over the past year
starting with frgzerguson? >> i do. i think there 50s a lot of pressure on every civic organization. in madison, wisconsin, there's a 19-year-old kid named tony robinson killed by a police officer and the police chief of the town came out and said this is not ferguson we don't want another ferguson. in berkeley missouri just down the street from ferguson there's a young black man killed by a police officer at a gas station, a imthing happened where the mayor came out and said this is not frgz even though ferguson is two miles down the street three miles down the street. you write "the past year has brought on an incal kabl sense of despair." do you think the state's attorney was answering to that in her decision? was it separate from the facts? >> i don't want to speculate what she was thinking. >> is that your feeling? >> i know she did say she heard
the calls for "no justice no peace." and the thing she said next is we need peace in the streets while i try to get justice for this young man. i think everybody is responding to this from the president on down people are responding to the protest movements that are going on around the country. >> there are concerns halperin she was heavy handed or had a rush to judgment to an extend. >> the proof will be in the prosecution and whether she's able to earn convictions on the original charges. it's not year she base it had indictment on, how much fact finding she did. it's possible one our more of the officers will plead and provide greater context and understanding of what happened in terms of legal proceedings and people's understanding. >> but the medical examiner's report did rule it a homicide. >> we don't know which of the six are culpable. >> you talked about a new civil rights movement. what's at the heart of that new civil rights movement. where does it takes us that we haven't been?
>> well police killings by all reliable statistics are not on the rise. this is not a problem that is spiking right now. what has ariz season the awareness. >> we're just catching it on camera. >> at the core of the movement is this distribution system of content, of photographs, video that happens almost instantly after these incidents have happened which cause a lot of outrage in most cases very justifiable like we saw with walter scott and i think that that sense of collective outrage is at the heart of this that is distributed. >> jay caspian kang thank you so much. we'll read your piece on the "new york times" web site. up next, the biggest surprises and snubs of this year's tony award nominations. keep it here on "morning joe." ment? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens
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joining us now, jordan roth and theater critic david richenson. you like "rotten". >> i love something rotten. that's something we have to see, joe. >> oh, yeah. >> no doubt. any surprises on this list jo dan? >> well you know perhaps not surprisingly three big musicals took the most nominations, "fun home," "an american in paris" and "something rotten." they will go up against "the visit" from kandor and ebb,
their final collaboration together. >> best lead actress in a musical, chih a rivera. >> the great chita rivera. >> you want me to hop in if i have comments? i don't want to overtake you. >> come on in. >> you just did it. >> i just did. >> make it worth our while. >> well maybe he just talks and i don't say anything. >> you are eye candy. >> you are not a patient man. so any surprises for you? >> a lot of surprises. >> tell me. >> a lot of shows that didn't make it. when you think of all the shows, "a delicate balance" which was the hottest show of the season doesn't even get a nomination. there were so many shows held off to the end of the season then they bring in 15 shows that we have to see in 19 days. now, think about it. how silly is that? >> what's another -- >> who else got snubbed? >> what's another snub?
what about "finding neverland?" >> that was a silly snub because that's one of the -- i think i've said and i meant it very seriously, this is a great show. this is a great family show with some great numbers and great people matthew morrison. >> what should it have been nominated? >> best musical. >> also not nominated, larry david. >> oh, i love larry. >> and "it should have been you" should have been nominated for tyne daley. >> and "sideshow." >> the reason these shows were not nominated is because there were so many great shows this year. a lot of worthy nominees. >> best lead actor in a play steven boyar, "hand to god." bradley cooper "elephant man."
bill nighy. alex sharp in "curious incident." "elephant man" going to london in just three weeks. >> but "the curious dog in the nighttime" you have to admit was the best play on broadway. >> i loved that play. >> "hand to god" i saw yesterday. my heavens, have you seen it? >> my heavens? >> i want to tell you, that is some show with two incredible actors in it. >> agreed. >> but can you send the family? can you imagine you brought your ten-year-old? >> mika and i have a lot of discussions about this. >> he sent my small girls to "book of mormon. >> >> and she thought you were the coolest one ever. >> the big one is best lead actress in a musical, two-person race. kelly o'hara versus kristen
chenoweth. >> and chita rivera. kelly, this is her sixth nomination, she has yet to win. >> she is the most talented person on broadway and she needs to win. >> kelly and kristin, both from oklahoma, both had the same voice teacher. >> i think kristin is going to win. i would love to see kelli win, i'm a lover of that show. that goes back a long time, you know? >> sure does. >> jordan roth david, thank you so much. >> david thank you for coming you made all the difference. >> oh thank you. >> you're eye candy my man. >> up next what, if anything, did we learn today?
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ortho weed b gon kills weeds... not lawns. our label says it. your grass proves it. get ortho weed b gon. the label tells the story. . welcome back to "morning joe." what did we learn today? >> mika bridgette kelly and i need to have lunch. >> oh, yeah no doubt. >> mika you have a new hero. >> well i do think the state's attorney in baltimore is -- i think the two women to watch would be marilyn mosby and bridget kelly. >> a lot of people in new jersey are watching bridget kelly. jordan? >> i have learned that mika is the cool mom who takes her daughters to "book of mormon" and "something rotten." >> i'm not so sure everyone would agree that a choice.
>> we'll tweet about that. >> if it's way too early it's "morning joe" but stick around because "the rundown" is next. all right, wonderful. good morning i'm jose diaz-balart live from the emerge america's technology conference in miami beach, florida. we're going to have much more on "the rundown" but we begin with breaking news from texas. in two hours we expect a news conference in garland, texas, where investigators are looking into reports of a possible link to isis. two gunmen opened fire outside a prophet mohammed art exhibit contest on sunday evening. police shot and killed the gunman after they wounded a security officer. investigators held up this tarp to shield the bodies from the media. these aerials show what remains a very active