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is for the trade bill. >> any trade deal has to produce jobs. >> she just won't say so. >> plus -- >> we did what was necessary to make america great again. >> later -- >> when the high tide come all the water coming through the street. >> this is something that is real, this is something that is happening. >> you won't be able to live here. that's the reality of the situation. >> and -- >> people had questions. >> the enemy force texas for jade helm 15. >> i think our military is quite trustworthy. >> go let's go! >> good to have you with us tonight, folks thanks for watching. we start -- we are keeping an eye on the weather. this is the map right now in the middle of the country across several states. there are numerous tornado warnings in effect. this is a live shot out of grady county oklahoma just southwest of norman oklahoma
chickasha -- we lost our live shot, i apologize for that. but tornado watch is in effect. we start with major news on the transpacific partnership. the trade deal is causing a lot of headaches for the hillary clinton campaign. clinton has declined to give a simple yes or no answer on fast track or the tpp. the clinton campaign chairman was reechbltly asked how clinton would deal with the tpp and he joking responded can you make it go away? unfortunately for them the tpp isn't going away any time soon. it's becoming a bigger issue every day and average working americans are seeing what it's going to do to their future. even donald trump has taken a stand against the trade deal. he released this radio ad earlier today. >> i learned a long time ago, a bad deal is far worse than no deal at all. and the obama trans-pacific partnership and fast track are a
bad, bad deal. for american businesses for workers, for taxpayers, it's a huge set of handouts for a few insiders that don't even care about our great, great america. congress has to stand up and defeat this raw power grab. with a dismal obama track record why should a republican congress give him more power and gut the constitution to do it. it's just crazy. >> meanwhile president obama is pushing harder than ever for this trade deal. it's almost campaign style stuff. on friday the president will travel to nike headquarters in beaverton, oregon, to campaign for the tpp. the president will argue the controversial trade deal is good for american workers. house speaker john boehner knows hillary clinton is in a pretty tough spot right now with this conversation. the speaker called hillary out on sunday. >> the president needs trade promotion authority to continue to try to get an agreement with the asians on the trans-pacific partnership.
hillary clinton was for trade promotion authority. hillary clinton is for the trade bill with the asians. she just won't say so. and the fact is the president needs her help in order to get democrat votes in the house and senate to get this passed. >> so now boehner is an expert on the tpp although he can't get his tea party members of his caucus to get on board with the way he wants it. boehner is trying to divide a wedge between hillary clinton and democrats who are against the tpp. hillary has to take a position on this trade deal. there is no way i think that any democrat is going to easily win ohio and support this deal. the buckeye state knows all about losing jobs to bad trade deals. in fact since 2001 ohio has lost over 106,000 jobs because of our trade deficit with china. nafta cost the state 34,000 jobs alone. people in ohio what are they doing? well, they're living in story firsthand. they know the tpp would mean more jobs from ohio to overseas
locations. now, recent polling shows that 61% of people in the state of ohio have an unfavorable opinion of the trade deal. only 33% favor the deal. it makes you feel they're really following it. this puts republican senator rob portman in a pretty tough spot as well. the senator is up for re-election in 2016. polling shows that if portman voted for fast track and tpp, 67% of voters in the state of ohio would be less likely to vote for him. only 23% would be more likely to vote for him. hillary clinton needs to take a position on this trade deal definitive, exclusive, where is she? and this is not foreign territory for the candidate. the former senator from new york when she was the senator from new york she voted to deny fast track authority to president bush. 2016 is a whole new ball game considering the trade deficits we have right now. the people of ohio deserve to know where the lead candidate stands on the trade before the
primaries. these voters deserve to know who is exactly on their side. the bottom line here is every democratic representative, senator and representative in the state of ohio is rallying with workers, pushing the president to say no to this. in the meantime the president, like a campaign style, is going to a nike factory? is there going to be some big announcement from nike saying that they're going to start building factories in america and hiring more people in america? the president clearly is trying to get a big crowd behind him to make it look like everybody supports this thing. he's also turning to the congressional black caucus. there's no way the congressional black caucus will be able to support the tpp and fast track and go home and say we're for the middle class or the economically challenged. it simply doesn't work that way. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. tonight's question can hillary clinton win ohio if she supports the tpp? go to pulse.miscellaneous
nbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results rater on in the show. let me bring in senator sherod brown from ohio. what are you hearing on the ground in ohio? because i was rather taken by that number that 67% of the people in your state would be incliendin inclined not to vote for your colleague, mr. portman, if he were to vote for fastrak. what do you make of these numbers? >> that's what i see too. i hear overwhelming opposition to fast track. i hear overwhelming opposition to the trans-pacific partnership. they know what the north american free trade dpraemt did to our state. george bush, bill clinton, george bush ii and now president obama. the promise of more jobs and
better wages, but the evidence is lost jobs and stagnant wages. so people know better than this in ohio. that's why those poll numbers show the rallying around in opposition to more bad trade deals. >> i'm not trying to rope any democrat into taking a position against hillary clinton, but we're at the point of absolutes right now. if then senator clinton said no to fast track to president bush why wouldn't she come out and support it against president obama right now? what's different? >> i think and hope she will. i don't know what's different. i don't think anything is really different. i also know that then senator clinton in 2008 in cleveland said that she -- in a debate she said she would renegotiate nafta. so i have confidence that she'll be in the right place on these trade agreements. i think one of my kind of proudest moments looking back in my first term in the senate is standing with president obama and our secretary of state then was hillary clinton, she wasn't as involved in this but in saving the auto industry. it made such a huge difference
to grow our economy. we had lost 5 million manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. the recovery act and the auto rescue began to grow our economy for 60 straight months. i don't want to jeopardize it with a bad trade deal that will cost us jobs and hurt people's wages. >> what does it say that president obama is going on the road to sell a trade deal? >> i don't know. i'm disappointed. again, i heard presidents of both parties make these promises on trade. they don't pan out. they just don't. as i said i proudly stood with president obama on the auto rescue. i looked at what happened with the korea trade agreement, which he didn't negotiate but came to fruition during his presidency. and that korea, the same promises, the auto industry will grow jobs. well they haven't. and now the auto industry is very concerned about trans-pacific partnership, especially because of japan and what it would do to the auto industry. so i hope president obama thinks
this through. maybe he'll change his mind. he probably won't. but if you want to fight for the middle class and grow the middle class and you want to give working class lower income people an opportunity to get in the middle class, you don't push trade agreements like this that cost us manufacturing jobs. >> all right, senator brown of ohio appreciate your time tonight. >> good to be back thanks ed. for more let me bring in jonathan alter and genevieve wood senior contributor with "the daily signal." jonathan, you first. what's john boehner's strategy at this point? he's clearly trying to get a separation between hillary clinton and the democrats in congress, but he can't even get his tea party friends to go along with where he stands on free trade. >> yeah. >> how do you break this down? >> his tea party friends are with donald trump in trying to pander from the right against this deal. he's just trying to score political points on the democrats by accentuating that hillary clinton hasn't made a decision on this.
it reminds me of in 1992 bill clinton took a very long time before he would make a decision on nafta. now, in hillary's defense, almost nobody has actually seen this treaty, which isn't even done yet. so there are two issues here. one is fast track, the other is the treaty itself. you can make an argument which we don't hear a lot these days but that the president would make, any president would make that if you get congress amending any kind of an international agreement, whether it's a treaty or trade deal or whatever, you basically aren't going to get that agreement because that's not any way to get international agreements completed. on the substance of the deal itself almost nobody has actually seen it because it is semi secret. if you're a member of congress, you can go over to a sealed room and read it. but for other people it's very hard to see. so my point on this is i don't think it's so terrible or dodging or whatever to not take a position right now on tpp on
the deal itself if you haven't read it. >> so you don't think there's enough information out there? >> yes. the devil is in the details. >> well, that undercuts american law. >> elizabeth warren has made some very interesting arguments on that but this deal is not complete yet. >> okay. >> it is still being negotiated. so, you know everybody is kind of hunkered down in their positions on this. they need to take a deep breath and say, you know what a lot of the jobs that were lost were not lost because of trade deals. plenty of research has established that. >> no. i totally disagree with that. >> take the kodak plant. >> okay. >> in upstate new york. that they have been using adds exhibit a. not true. kodak went down the tubes because they missed the boat on digital photography, right? so there's a lot of factors here at play when jobs are lost. >> the net job --
>> to blame it all on trade is just inaccurate. >> there has not been a trade deal that we have ever embarked upon that has been a net gain of american jobs. >> but you know what -- >> that's a fact. >> the experts -- it depends where you're talking about. >> look at the trade deficits jonathan. >> there are a number of states where the net job increases from increased exports has been actually greater than the net job loss. >> we are importing because of these trade deals. look at the trade deficit with china. look at the trade deficit with the central american countries, the trade deficit with south korea. none of these are better for our economy. >> i'm not sure that i'm for this deal myself. >> okay. >> but i feel like i want to know more. there are historically important labor and environmental standards in this deal. it's very important in terms of china to make sure china doesn't dominate the pacific region. >> they're not going to dominate. that's a obama talking point that they're writing the rules and they are not writing the rules. >> okay. >> this is about currency manipulation. >> i'd like to see them -- i'd
like the deal to be tougher on currency manipulation. >> it's not and that's one of the big sticking points in all of this. >> they need to fix some of this. >> investor state trade disputes currency manipulation that has turned a lot of these. in the history, if history is your guide, there's no way that you can support this trade deal. this is what's so troubling about the president's position on this. >> nafta wasn't as bad or as good as people were saying. it was more neutral. >> no, it wasn't. we lost a lot of jobs. we've lost 50,000 manufacturing factories in this country in the last 20 years, most of them because of nafta. genevieve, what kind of problem does the speaker of house have on this? why can't he get his tea partiers on board to go along with this to make fast track an easy move in the house? >> i think it's more divided than you may be giving credit for. matt salmon is very much behind this deal and there are others so i don't think you can line it up. the majority of republicans are likely going to be for this but
i agree with jonathan. we do need to see what's in it. this is likely going to be negotiated until the end of the month so we don't know all the details yet. >> so why should anybody vote for it if they haven't seen it? i mean you're making -- you're making the case -- you can't be against it because you haven't seen it. why would you vote for it if you haven't seen it. >> you're making the case without having seen it everybody should be against it. this is why -- >> i know enough about the people that are around it to know -- >> that's a knee-jerk reaction. >> to say no to this deal. >> no that's a knee-jerk reaction on your side. >> a knee-jerk reaction to circumvent american law is knee-jerk reaction? >> you've given one side of this and talked about autos and manufacturing. the reality is farmers and the agricultural business are very much behind this deal with -- the asian deal because they believe it will open up a lot of markets for their goods. here's the reality. i don't know one trade deal that we've signed onto with any
country where our exports did not increase. >> what? >> and that is better for u.s. consumers. >> we have not had a trade deal -- >> genevieve is right about the exports. >> no. we have not had a trade deal where the imports have been lower than the exports. come on. >> you can pick certain industries and say that jobs are lost but that is not true across the board. >> call services are going to be outsourced the pharmaceutical industry will benefit big time. this is going to circumventing american law. >> ed, come on. more american goods are going to find their way -- >> so 67% of the people living with bad trade deals in iowa they're wrong on this genevieve, right? >> i don't think they're being given all the facts, certainly not if e.r. listening to your program right now. the other thing we need to talk about is asia is currently at 30% of global gdp, all right? we need to have a structured trade deal with them to make sure that we do have good trade and that's what trade -- >> so you have american workers who are competing against 30 cents an hour.
>> look american workers are competing -- >> you're not going to resolve that. that's why the country shouldn't be involved in it. the fact is we do not have fair trade. that's what this whole thing is all about. >> hey, ed can i say one thing about hillary. if anybody would maybe know what was in this this deal started while she was secretary of state. >> everybody knows that. >> she probably has a lot more insight into what's in it than i do or you do. >> can i ask you a question ed. >> sure. >> do you really think that hillary clinton and barack obama and other democrats who are for this deal hillary is on the side, but do you think that they're in the grip of immense information that they're poorly informed, that they're not looking out for middle class people? why do you think they're for it? >> because i think national security -- >> they're not in the pocket -- barack obama is not dancing on the end of a string from the banks and the big interests. he believes this is in the interests of american workers. >> it is not in the interests of american workers. it is more of the interests of -- >> ed which american workers do
you want to stand up for. >> why are we doing a trade deal with bernai? we are the biggest customer on the face of the earth. people need to do business with us. >> yes, they do. >> so that's a different part. let me just say -- >> don't we want to help developing countries around the world? >> let me just get this word in genevieve. you make a very important point and that argues for a tougher deal. this deal is not completed yet. all i'm saying is that hillary can take a principled position that isn't looking like he's waffling. she wants more information -- >> and i disagree with na. >> she wants to know whether or not the deal can be tougher -- >> i think there's enough information for elizabeth warren there ought to be enough information for hillary clinton. if there's enough information for every single union in this country to across the board unanimously say no to this deal there's enough information to give an absolute yes or no. i respect both of you, i disagree with your opinions.
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we are following severe weather in the state of oklahoma at this hour. a tornado warning is in effect for grady county near chickasaw, oklahoma. joining us by phone, msnbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, what's the latest? what are they facing out there? >> well good evening. we have confirmed tornados in kansas. the tornado threat goes until 10:00 this evening all the way from southern nebraska down through kansas oklahoma into texas. now, we're not going to see a widespread outbreak. this one storm we have been
watching just east of interstate 44 about 40-minute drive outside of oklahoma city that's the storm that the nbc helicopter has been up in oklahoma city following. it's just an amazing view. you just have to follow these storms in the air from these helicopters, it just gives you an incredible vanitytage point. this storm at times has had funnel clouds. has not proud necessity big tornados or damagingtornados. the concern is that this storm is moving to the northeast, almost parallel to interstate 44, and eventually it will move up towards the oklahoma city city suburbs and then the city itself. that's the concern. there's a lot of storm chasers on this storm. if there's a tornado being produced, we'll see it from the nbc helicopter or hear about it immediately from the storm chasers. it's more of a heads up right now for everyone in oklahoma city. the actual area under the gun right now, the ones that have all their family members in their shelters is amber, oklahoma, which is just east of
interstate 44 just to the north of chickasaw. again, no tornado reported with this but this storm is cycling through. the storm itself actually split into two and has two separate circulations. eventually one of those will win out over the other one and it should gain strength. but there's still a lot of daytime heating in this area. we'll see if this regenerates and the tornado threat returns. we'll have our eyes on the oklahoma city area about an hour hour and a half from now, ed. it's not a widespread tornado outbreak but isolated tornados are possible over the next couple of hours. that's the greatest concern and that's the risk. ed this is a week-long event. we'll do this each and every afternoon. on saturday it looks like one of our first major outbreaks will happen. we're watching the same areas, oklahoma and kansas. everyone has mother's day weekend planned, but saturday is the day to watch. >> okay bill karins meteorologist here on msnbc. we'll follow the weather
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we are back on "the ed show." 2016 republicans are on their way to having the largest field of candidates in american presidential history. we've never seen more than ten candidates in either party on the debate stage. right now pollsters are pitching at least 14 names for the republican primary. more voices more choices. according to a new quinnipiac poll, scott walker of wisconsin has an early lead in iowa. and it's a commanding lead. look at this at 21%. walker has not even declared but dominates the crowded field at 21%. it makes sense, walker has slashed education budgets, stripped unions of collective bargaining rights signed right to work legislation and restricted voting rights. what more could the republicans ask for? joining me tonight, ruth coniff. also republican strategist matt shlap from the american
conservative union, he is the chairman there. matt, you first. why is scott walker doing so well in iowa before even declaring he's a candidate? >> well we saw this at the cpac straw poll as well. scott walker is revered by republican voters because he's won in a tough state for republicans over and over again, despite the fact that the left has thrown everything at him. and they admire his fortitude and his standing up for what they believe in and what he believes in. >> what about that ruth do they revere him in wisconsin? he has won three elections in four years. >> well i mean wisconsin, walker is a bitterly divisive figure. he has really divided a once congenial state so he has taken it to the hoop on the most right wing, most aggressive possible agenda. i think he has become a national hero to the far right for that reason. the reason they love him is he's a very very deep social conservative. he is an unapologetic opponent
of abortion and wrote the law that said that your pharmacist should decide whether or not you get your birth control prescription dispensed to you because it's a moral choice that the pharmacist should make. so that's pretty extreme. and he's winning or well ahead in the money primary. he is a huge favorite of the koch brothers. david koch let it slip that walker is his favorite candidate. as these republican candidates are running around the country gathering up money, walker is moving way ahead in that race as well so it makes him a very formidable candidate. i think people in wisconsin who have suffered through a walker budget that cuts $300 million out of the university of wisconsin, has slashed education historically here, you know are really looking at an extreme figure. i think the country should look at that and think, wow, that's scary. >> matt, what's the attraction here? >> i guess you don't like him very much? >> well she didn't say anything that wasn't true. he's been a hawk on the budget. he's gone after workers, he's gone after -- ed cut almost a billion dollars out of public education.
>> he's tried to balance the budget. if he's so extreme and crazy and right wing how did he win in wisconsin over and over and over again? >> he's never won in a presidential year here. >> let me finish. clearly he's resonating with voters to some degree and taking on tough issues. he believes in the first amendment. i applaud him for those things. he's not an extreme conservative, he's a catholic who has conservative views on things like life. by the way, an issue that's moving more and more the republicans' direction across this country. so let's not unfairly characterize him. >> where is he extreme, ruth? mr. schlap says he's not extreme. >> i would still say that his christian beliefs is a positive thing. >> i want ruth to be able to respond. he claims that he's not extreme. your thoughts ruth. >> first, you've got to get your facts straight. walker is speaking in tongues, evangelical, protestant. but as far as the extremity of his position this is not going to be a balanced budget.
here's a great trick walker pulled. this $300 million cut to the university of wisconsin, which is really the bridge he's beg your pardoning for his national career, even with state republican party members who have had it with this slash and burn politics there's a tuition freeze that lasts just as long as it takes to get through the presidential election year and then the lid is off. tuition can go up as much as you want. the nonpartisan state legislative bureau projects a 40% tuition increase thanks to that cut. it's going to be brutal here. >> ruth conniff, matt schlap i appreciate your time. moving forward, local officials say their senator is denying the facts about rising seas because of the flood of big money from donors. stay with us we're right back on "the ed show."
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show." tonight in our series rising tide, climate crisis the political disconnect on climate change. while business booms on the south florida coast, local government officials are putting politics aside to focus on solutions to keep their towns dry. but governor rick scott and senator marco rubio continue to deny the science. >> reporter: flooding at high tide, always a big issue. >> high tide number two began and like clockwork the ocean water reappeared on miami beach. >> alton road flooded again. no surprise at all. many people consider this to be ground zero for a rising sea level and flooding in this town. they have spent millions of dollars addressing the flooding so far, but it's going to take a major infrastructure project to make it right for the future. >> there is no overnight fix, but we know what we're doing. we're moving forward. >> there's no bigger believer and no bigger cheerleader than
the mayor. >> one of the most exciting cities in the world. everybody wants to come here. everybody is getting sand in their shoes, we call it. ♪ what we need to do is provide a stable safe dry community for generations to come. >> can you do it? >> absolutely 100%. we're well on our way. >> for two years, alton road one way northbound major construction, including installation of storm drainage infrastructure. >> tell us about the investments the city has made. $15 million over the last year and a half in pumps to alleviate some of the flooding problems you've had. >> that's just the beginning of the investment ed. we're going to be spending probably $300 to $400 million which really isn't a lot of money when you realize you're protecting from $25 to $30 billion worth of real estate. >> real estate is booming in south florida. even as the threat of rising tides looms. >> miami-dade county has 230 new
condominiums going up right now. many of these are big high rises on the beach or downtown, not little ones. >> the most successful investors in the world are buying in miami beach. they're not buying little apartments, they're buying multimillion dollar apartments. >> how soon before the real estate market starts to get hit, be affected? >> well that's a great question. so what's going to take us out in the real estate market is going to be the 30-year mortgage. at some point somebody is going to figure out, hey, if i'm buying mortgages, i don't want to buy the ones that are in flooding areas or areas that could flood in 30 years. >> and how do you think the business community in the out years is going to respond to all of this? >> ultimately they'll figure out how to make money on it if they're smart. we'll have to spend a huge amount in shifting infrastructure priorities. the people who figure out this is good for business are going to do very very well. >> local government officials
are leading the charge to protect their communities. they say residents want solutions, not political games. >> that's saltwater, that's not -- that water coming from the sea. when the high tide come all the water come into the street. >> they don't want to hear everything is fine nothing to think about, nothing to worry about, when they know better. so people down here want their elected officials to engage the issues, face them dead on see what needs to be done and get down to doing the job. >> this is something that is real, this is something that is happening, and we need to have experts telling us what we need to do. i decided not to treat what is causing this. no, it's happening. how do we provide solutions to make sure that we are prepared. >> protecting these communities will come at a high cost. it's estimated that miami beach alone will invest $500 million in state and local funds on flood prevention over the next five years.
costs in the region could be in the billions. >> the residents are going to see sticker shock. now, can they afford it? they don't have a choice. i mean either you pay for it or you leave. >> while local officials are heeding the warnings from scientists, many of their counterparts on the state and national levels are ignoring it. dr. harold wanless was one of the scientists who met with governor rick scott last summer to discuss the threat to south florida. >> you met with the governor and why do you think -- >> he gave us 30 minutes and used 10 of it for introductions. so we had 20 minutes, five of us to explain that global warming is real, that it's human induced and what to do about it. >> what was the response? >> thank you very much for coming. >> just doesn't believe it?
>> i don't know what he believes believes. he has prohibited the use of the words global warming, climate change, sea level rise or sustainability. >> this has been going on for years now, and functioning in a state where you can't even talk about it when you know you're ground zero is really difficult. >> governor what's your plan for dealing with global climate change? >> i do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate. >> the lack of urgency from high-level officials is frustrating to those on the ground. >> we have a junior u.s. senator from florida that he dislearned it. he used to believe it. but i think they're too busy about serving a certain clientele so they can get elected rather than being honest representatives of the people. >> senator rubio and that section of the party will say and do whatever the koch brothers are asking for. i mean that's really what it's come down to.
they know better. he grew up in a neighborhood not far away from here. he's seen what happens. the governor has seen what happens. so they just choose to not engage the problem. >> senator, what do you say to your colleagues so many of whom, including the governor of the state, don't seem to believe the science involved here? >> well they're avoiding reality. >> they don't want to know. they just don't want to know. i can tell you this though ed if they don't get the idea we'll never be able to start fixing this problem. these are the people that need to get the idea. these are the people that run businesses and run government and until they understand how serious this is this is just miami. extrapolate this all around every coast in the united states and in the pacific in the united states. we're talking major losses here. we can't stop this. we need to start dealing with it. you know, i talk to people about retreat from miami. we're going to have to within the next 100 years or in this
century actually leave. we won't be able to live here. that's the reality of the situation. but nobody wants to talk about that. >> joining me tonight, dr. harold wanless, the chair of the department of geological sciences at the university of miami. doctor, great to have you with us tonight. what is your response and this is the blanket comment that's made out there by the deniers, that human activity is not causing climate change. your response to that. >> well they're simply wrong. since about 1950 the buildup of greenhouse gases has been driving our climate. and since the mid-1990s, we have been having an increase in -- dramatic increase in ice melt on both greenland and now antarctica. and with the warmed ocean we've had, that's just putting us on a one-way track to what's going to be a rapid amccelerating sea level rise. even the u.s. government
forecasts maybe two feet by 2048, six and a half feet by the end of the century. and it could well be higher because these models are not incorporating many of the accelerating feedbacks that we're seeing with ice melt. >> what kind of interest do your students have in this? i know when i spoke with you, you talked about the polar ice cap. that seems to be the hot place of research right now. what about that? >> well it's part of geology and earth processes. we've had a lot of our undergraduates go on. they went to miami for undergrad but have gone on to grad school and going into glaciology. ice dynamics is so complicated, but we are seeing it accelerate so fast. we know from looking at the ancient that sea level ice collapse can hurt -- cause very rapid sea level rises. and we may be seeing the beginning of one of those.
>> what about denmark helping out the city of miami. has this been helpful? what's their interest? >> you got me on that one. the netherlands has been very helpful here but i think they're trying to make money to help protect their land and build protection. >> one of the mayors down there told us that the consumers are going to get sticker shock, they can't avoid it. what do you think a $500 million investment will do for the community over the next five years down there? >> that was -- that $500 million is for a small corner of miami beach. it's going to be big. one of our mayors just did a study and got a $40 million price tag for just 10 inches of sea level rise for part of their generally high community. we're going to see a gradual shift as phil stoddard said.
we're going to see people by the middle of the century starting to move on. and it's sad, because miami, south florida is is one of the most beautiful places to live. you can imagine. especially during winters like we had up north. >> no doubt. and of course the big question is when does the insurance industry kick in and realize, as you said we're just a mortgage cycle away from reality on this. dr. harold wanless, we'll visit again. i appreciate your time tonight. thanks so much. our series continues tomorrow when we'll head up the coast to norfolk, virginia. we'll look at how the climate change is becoming a national security issue. that's tomorrow night right here on "the ed show." still to come, texas republicans back the governor's reaction to the military takeover conspiracy theory. stay tuned. he dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance
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get started at xfinity.com/myaccount and finally tonight, conspiracy fever is spreading all throughout the state of texas. some people actually believe an upcoming military exercise in western states of this country is really a military takeover of texas. the jade helm 15 conspiracy theory is of course ridiculous. but this hasn't stopped a growing number of politicians from fueling the fire. texas governor greg abbott ordered the state guard to quote, monitor the exercise. former texas congressman ron paul said he is a fan of the governor's actions. >> 1200 special forces in the state. and of course some people think this might be the beginning of a major, major takeover. which i don't -- i'm not quite there. i don't believe that is.
i believe it's very important, and i like what the governor is doing. >> texas congressman louie gohmert is also jumping into the fray. he is upset over a mock military map of the exercise circulating on the internet. texas and utah are listed as hostile territory. so gohmert writes this. the map of the exercise needs to change and the tone of the exercise needs to be completely revamped so the federal government is not intentionally practicing war against its own states. congressman, it's a map. it's a guide. it's an understanding of what the exercise is all about. it's not an admission that we're at war with ourselves. for more let me bring in jim moore, investigative journalist. and also with us tonight robert wolanski. what has been the reaction
online because it's so instant, as opposed to maybe calling a talk show about this. but what has been the online reaction from texans to this? >> well yesterday when i wrote something about this for the second time in a few weeks, and i'll be honest when wrote about it first i thought this was going to be a one and done story. i can't imagine this is going to gain any kind of traction whatsoever. but then thanks to our great governor, we have found ourselves in this rabbit hole of nothing but stories and con spears theories about jade helm. i have to say that most of the comments, the hundreds of comments left yesterday all keep scratching their heads collectively and wondering how did we find ourselves asking if the united states government is going to take over a state in the united states. >> mr. moore, what was the governor's motivation here or is this just a serious stupid miscalculation on his part? >> no he is still pandering to the right edward. one of the things people need to know about this is the state of
texas has 30 significant military installations. if you count the coast guard stations in texas. if the president really wanted to do something like this he wouldn't have to send invading forces. he would just have to send an e-mail to all those commanders and tell them to march out the gate. the largest military reservation in the world is about an hour north of where i'm sitting, fort hood. most of the people there are deployed around the world, courageously serving their country, while back here in texas, their integrity and their service is being insulted by conservatives. and on top of that at the legislature just across the road here, they're busily reducing the access to tuition, free state tuition to state universities for members of the military while they're cutting business taxes. that's the kind of stuff going on. >> mr. wilonsky where is dan patrick's standing on this? i believe he is the lieutenant governor, isn't he? >> i don't know if i have necessarily heard from him. we did hear yesterday from former governor rick perry, who actually said that he suggested
he did not take it lightly when we said that he had basically said greg abbott had gone a little out of bounds on this one. he told yesterday in dallas when he was speaking that he may not necessarily trust the government, but he certainly trusts the men and women in uniform. so when rick perry is the voice of reason on this particular subject. >> and of course mr. moore, you have got louie gohmert always jumping into the fray. is this a publicity stunt or does he actually think we're at war with ourselves? >> i do not want to go deep into the chasms of mr. gohmert's brain, ed. but people here are talking about walmarts becoming places where citizens are detained. we're all going to become p.o.w.s, prisoners of walmart. if this happens, please send a progressive army from the north to come save us will you? >> well, if that's the case it's certainly going to change the job description of the greeter at the front door. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight.
jim moore, robert wilonsky here on "the ed show." thank you so much. we'll follow the story. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. we start with baltimore's mayor, calling on the justice department to launch a civil rights investigation into the city's police department. she wants the attorney general to look for patterns of abuse or discrimination. >> we all know that baltimore continues to have a fractured relationship between the police and the community. we have to get it right. failure is not an option. we cannot be timid in addressing this problem. and i'm a mayor that does not shy away from our city's big challenges. >> the mayor today saying she brought up the issue of civil rights investigation during her private