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.house.gov. you can pick up bon appetit's latest cookbook at bonnappetite bonnappetite.com. good evening. welcome to the "the ed show." live from washington, d.c. let's get to work! tonight if we don't break the rules for trade around the world. guess what? china will. >> later -- >> i've known that climate change is a serious threat. >> plus -- >> one of the guys in the locker room tom brady called himself the deflator. what was the other guy's nickname? >> use the rating x's and o's. >> i have no reason to believe he lied. >> we believe it is so important iran not be violent. >> good to have you with us. thank you for watching. it's a signature on the ed show we start every night, every show saying let's get to work. i think there's a lot of obama supporters in in the country
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today who are somewhat confused that the president decide to talk about the trade policy and he kicks it into high gear at the nike plant. really? today marks a critical point for the transpacific partnership. president obama has really kicked it into high gear campaigning across the country for the trade deal he just can't seem to get enough support for. the president was at nike headquarters in oregon today. nike and the president of the united states have been pushing hard for the transpacific partnership. >> if we don't right the rules for trade around the world, guess what? china will. and they'll write those rules in a way that gives chinese workers and chinese businesses the upper hand and wants american made goods out. that's the choice we face. we're not going to be able to isolate ourselves from world markets. we got to be in there and
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compete. >> i'm finding out now that president obama can really sell. that's some pretty good generic talk without explanation. all you have to do is let history be your guide. mr. president, tell us what trade deal helped us when it comes to the trade deficit in american jobs? you can't. no president can. president obama said the tpp would level the playing field? >> the question is, are we going to make sure that the rules are fair so that our businesses and our workers are on a level playing field. when they are, we win every time. [ applause ] when the rules are fair we win every time. this is why i'm such a strong supporter of new trade agreements. >> that's great, president obama, but what rule are you talking about? currency manipulation? which your own party is concerned about and you just can't seem to address it? the president also said that the
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tp tpp would create thousands more jobs for nike here in the united states. >> just this morning, as mark may have mentioned, nike announced with the transpacific partnership, it will make new investments in advanced manufacturing. not overseas but here in the united states. and far more nike products would be made in the usa. that means thousand of new jobs remain in engineering and design in nike facilities across the country and potentially tens of thousands of new jobs on nike's supply chain here at home. >> so nike as successful as they have been working the bottom line over the years, they have to have the trade deal for them to create jobs in america? i'm supposed to buy that? that's a bribe. so here is nike saying that well gosh if we get the trade deal, we'll be able to do high-tech manufacturing in
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america. give me a break. you mean to tell me that nike doesn't have the resources with the money they're making they can't invest in the american economy? thousands of jobs in the united states? that sounds fantastic, but nike could afford to move jobs back to the united states without this trade deal! that's the truth. now this is a map of nike factories in the country of vietnam. that's right. nike just doesn't have one factory. they have 67 factories. how many employees they have in over 300,000 workers. the work conditions are horrible, they're unsafe conditions for roughly 50 cents an hour. nike is a shining example of corporate profiteering off of outsource and cheap labor from other countries. that's how they make their money. if we do the transpacific partnership, all of that is just going to change. in fact they're going to guarantee us 10,000 new jobs.
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nike bought in -- brought in a whopping $30.3 billion in revenue over the past year. look at that number. $30 billion. and you know what? they just can't add anymore jobs in america unless they have the tpp. that's what the president is selling. mr. president, this is beneath you. they produced over 365 million pairs of shoes. not a single shoe was made in the united states. but if they get the trade deal all of a sudden they'll start doing stuff in america. the average customs value for a pair of nike shoes is just over $5 a pair. some shoes from nike hit the market at over $100 a pair. they're making a ton of money. just the way things are right now. nike has about 26,000 people on the payroll right here in the united states. that's a good number but it's nowhere what it could be.
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meanwhile overseas they have almost a million workers. the trade deal would make it easier for nike to do business in asia. that's what they're saying. okay. nike can easily create thousands of jobs here in the united states without the lousy trade deal as some experts see it. the president's visit today is an embarrassment to his presidency. it's going to wipe out a lot of good this president has done. earlier this week we told you president obama in his organization -- his administration was leaning on the congressional black caulk tus for support on the trade deal. think about this we have economically depressed areas in this country who are represented by a number of members from the congressional black caucus. and the president is saying, you know, we're going to create jobs in your district if we do another bad trade deal. really? this is blind loyalty if the congressional black caucus goes down this road. sources told the "the ed show" that officials are leading on
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environmental groups because the president has pushed hard on climate change. come on. stop the dealing. this is about absolutes. if the united states congress allows this to go through and gives the president fast track, we will lose jobs. how do i know? because we have lost jobs on every other trade deal. this deal is going to be in different. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. will american workers ever have a level playing field? that's tonight's question. cast your vote. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more let me bring in senator bernie sanders, and in the united states senate from vice president. good to have you us. i want your reaction senator, to nike will create 10,000 more jobs if they can just get the tpp. what do you make of that? >> well, these are the kinds of
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problems that we hear every single time these guys a trade agreement. frankly, i don't believe it. given the fact that they have, as you indicated, something like a million workers all over the world given the fact that today we're now producing one nike piece of shoe or sneaker in this country i think we have reason to be doubtful about what they are trying to do. look, ed i was disappointed about what the president said today. the idea that we're going to be engaged on equal footing, a level playing field. you're not on a level playing field when people make 56 cents an hour in vietnam. that is not a level playing field. it is not a level playing field when you have a state invest agreement which allows corporations to sue governments when they're trying to protect the health and environment of their communities. this is a continuation of
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disastrous trade agreements. in 1970 25% of the manufacturing -- 25% of the jobs in this country were manufacturing. today it's 9%. since 2001 we've lost almost 60,000 factories and trade is one of the reasons for that. so enough is enough! we need a trade agreement not supported by corporate america, wall street, the drug companies, but supported by the needs of working people in this country! >> senator, do you know what rules the president is talking about that are different in this trade agreement as opposed to the one with south korea or the central american or newscastafta? he never gets specific. he never gets to the devil in fact details. it's a lot of lofty generic talk that this is going to be great. if we let china write the rules of course, we're going to lose. what about that? >> i think what he's talking about are trade enforcement rules regarding labor rights
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regarding environmental -- the environment as well. the reality is we've had a similar type enforcement language in previous agreements which haven't amounted to a whole lot. and i think what is very clear to me. phil knight the ceo of nike is worth $20 billion. he pays workers all over the world 50 cent an hour. this is what business guys and corporate america likes. it saddens me we have a president standing with the big money guys against organized labor, against the environmental community, and he's telling some of us in the progressive movement that we don't get it. well, i think we get it just fine. i think unfortunately he doesn't get it. >> you've been clear on this senator, do you think you have
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been more clear than hillary clinton on this? is this a campaign issue? i mean, it would seem to me senator, this goes right to the fabric of everything that you have stood for and everything you have advocated for. this is a prime example of what america can't do if we're going to economically go in the right place and create more jobs. >> look, ed if you look at what happen has been in the the country for last 40 years. you're seeing disappearing middle class. you see people work longer hours for low wages. you see, as i said a moment ago, the loss of tens of thousands of factories, and you're seeing massive income and wealthy inequality. all is related to trade. i think any serious candidates has got to be up front and say do you support a continuation of disastrous trade policies or do you want a new policy of trade which works for american workers
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and not just the ceos of large corporations. this is a huge issue. my record is pretty clear on that and secretary clinton and any other candidate will have to tell us which sides they're on. this is one you can't buckle. you are either for the tpp or against it. i'm veemtly against it. >> okay. does it surprise you that president obama is in campaign mode with this? that administration officials are putting pressure on some environmental groups saying, hey, we were with you on climate change. you have to give us this one. i mean this is some real back door arm twisting that is going on. why is he doing this? >> it's going on -- well you know, he's doubling down. he is a free trader. i believe he's, you know, he has been that for many years. he wants to win this thing. but i would hope, you know that he understands that all of his natural allies, every union in
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this country, virtually all of the environmental community, millions and millions of working people all over country are saying we do not want more of these disastrous trade agreements. and here he is now lining up with the big money. pharmaceutical industry, wall street, all of the big money guys are on his side. and he's telling us that we're wrong on this issue. he's on the side of the worker we are not. i respectfully disagree. >> senator and presidential hopeful bernie sanders. thank you so much. i appreciate it. remember to answer tonight's question. we'll have the results after the break. follow us on facebook and watch my facebook feature "give me a minute." next a closer look at nike's track record on workers rights. and later part v.
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case in point. there is no guarantee the trade agreement will improve working conditions around the world because we don't have control of other workers and the way they take care of those workers. it's no secret that nike workers in foreign countries have pretty rough. they deal with horrible working conditions, living conditions, and they're paid pennies for an hour's work. the documentary sheds light on the problem. >> they will be working overtime hours just to get by. because they can't get by on what they're paid without working incredible amounts of overtime. and when you're working up to 15 hours a day six to seven days a week, you know your 2-year-old child just didn't see you. you know, they don't get it see their children. >> the kids can't even go to school. how are you going to break a cycle of poverty and have real economic development if you have a whole lost generation of
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children that aren't educated? >> let me offer this to you, if nike has over 300,000 employees, workers in vietnam, wouldn't that be kind of a big stick in their economy? if nike were to say we don't want to leave but you have to treat your workers better. you think it might have an impact in probably not. nike has been improving working won additions in the factories around the world but doesn't go far enough. nike vakt i ares in vietnam are nowhere near the standards we have here in the united states. the president says the tpp will improve working conditions? how is that going to be guaranteed? that language may be put in the tpp, but enforcement is the key. we have never been able to enforce workers rights. we've never been able to enforce environmental standards. so i think the president needs to step out in front of the american people, give us the detail. how can you guarantee have a
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vietnam is going to do this or sharia law. do we deserve that? do american workers in factories every day and the manufacturing sectors and also in the service sector of our economy do they deserve that? absolutely. we're not getting it. and the members of congress get it. they should not give the president the trade promotional authority. the first thing he'll do is tpp. for more let me bring in charles, the director of the national labor committee. jim is with us and lori director of public citizens global trade watch. great to have you with us. charlie, you first, if we can. what are these nike workers facing in vietnam and what guarantee could you give our viewing audience tonight if we do the tpp their conditions will
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change. >> there will be no change. the workers have no rights whatsoever. there's 330,000 vietnamese workers. they have no rights. they are getting 56 cents an hour. they have just zero ability to move. so personally they don't have any kind of motion to go forward. they are not participants in this. they're just staying there with tremendous, like lack of rights lack of having enough money to survive with your children. this is a disaster. >> all right, jim, you traveled to vietnam and saw the factories. >> actually it was indonesia. indonesia is the third largest producer of nike products. i went there in 2000 to see.
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i lost my job coaching at saint john's university in '97 because i refused to wear nike's products. it eventually lead me in the summer of 2000 to move to indonesia where i lived with nike factory workers. tried to survive on the sweat shop wage at the time it was $1.25. i lost 25 pounds in a month. i met the women and money who made the nike products i as college and professional athlete had worn for years. i promised them i would come home and advocate for them. i've done it full-time for 15 years. the workers are paid a poverty wage. we still have cases of union busting, verbal use, physical abuse, i was in indonesia a year ago. i helped to organize a demonstration outside a nike's headquarters of hundreds of workers. they had the case of what i called the nike nine. nine trade unions.
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they were illegally fired. they were threatened by the local police and military. they had banners at the demonstration saying president obama please help us. nike is union busting. the president issed a nike's campus today in oregon saying they're the model behalf trade should look like. if i were in the president's shoes, i would be saying that nike is the absolute opposite of what good and fair trade should look like. >> what about the president's speech today? what was wrong with it, if anything? >> there was very little in there that represented what is really in the text of the tpp. the president said this is different. we'll have a different outcome. in isn't nafta. actually the text of the tpp has the same offshoring promotion provisions that were nafta but bigger and strong per. has the labor standards in bush's trade agreements since 2007. that proved totally ineffective.
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spot on. there's nothing in the agreement that will make vietnam raise the wages for 60 cents an hour. there are things that will mote the offshoring of american jobs and push down our wages by making us have to compete with the workers making 60 cents an hour. >> charlie, nike is saying that they are making real efforts to improve working conditions. you believe that? >> not at all. not for a second. >> and so how would the united states or any country dictate to them in a trade agreement that the conditions would change? that's basically what the president is saying. this has new language new provisions, new climate standards, new labor standards. how in the world will we go down that road to make sure it's the truth? >> well, it's a sweat shop all other again. it's not going to change. until there is very serious intent to give workers the right to organize to have a decent
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living to have a voice and not like vietnam where work verse no voice whatsoever. 100% zero. 330,000 work verse no rights. across indonesia and elsewhere, there's a million work ersers who are being denied their most mineral rights. we're going downward and not upward. >> charlie, tell me when you hear an advocate for this trade agreement say that this is about a emerging markets. what does that mean? what is your definition of emerging markets? to rip off the working people. like bernie sanders is talking about so much enso eloquently. this is not a level playing field. this is just a way like nike.
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they can do whatever they want and give the workers such poor wages. >> yeah. >> and such miserable conditions. >> what about writing the rules. the president talks about the rules if we don't this china is going to write the rules. what is he talking about? >> first of all, the rules in the tpp are not our rules. that's not the rules we have or what most americans can benefit from. they're the rules that the 500 corporate trade advisors that helped write the tpp got. what do we see? the tpp has the old nafta offshoring style promotion rule bhps it comes to labor, what charlie was saying, we're not going to see the folk wages for folks in vietnam go up. because the same rules in the agreement from 2009. during the period the agreement has been in effect the labor conditions have gotten worse.
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they literally rolled back the labor and environmental standards. they weren't throwing out of the agreement. they were saying to the elite in vietnam and the companies want to offshore. go for it. just do it. >> finally, what the president said it will level the playing field. what is your response to that? >> as a former pro athlete and college athlete i laugh. i know what a level playing field looks like. using a soccer metaphor it's 11-1. they bought the referees. the plague field is not level. nike has everything they want including a president of the united states, unfortunately disappointing many people in our country sporting the deal. great to have you with us. thank you for the story. still to come a city below sea level takes action to keep itself above water with the help from the white house. and the middle of the country braces for manyore severe storms this weekend. an update on what residents can
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we're back on "the ed show" more devastating storms move through the middle of the country last night. several more tornados were spotted in texas and kansas thursday evening including this one in texas. an oil well caught fire in denton, texas overnight after being hit by lightning. no one was hurt. investigators say high winds could be a factor in a train derailment outside of dallas this morning. for more let's turn to nbc correspondent jay gray in oklahoma. what is the latest tonight? >> hey, ed. this the magnitude of the devastation already here from the storm. how strong were the winds? take a look. the huge rv pushed on the side. more storms on the way here. there's a flash flood warning in effect. they could be more powerful than the storms that did this.
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>> that's some lifting in there. >>st it been a violent 48 hours in the heart land. hail, more than 50 tornados and forecasters warn the next few days could be even worse. >> we'll get a little of everything, i think, flash flooding. maybe the biggest issue but hail high winds, tornados that may all occur as well. and so we need to be prepared for any event wallty. >> but it's hard to prepare when you're still picking up the pieces. i lost everything. as so many try to salvage what they can from the first round of storms. they must also worry about what comes next. as many as 16 million in the potential strike zone with severe weather including what meteorologists call long trek tornados. twisters that stay on the ground longer. >> i'm trade the worse is still left come.
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>> an ominous warning for those hit hard. most vowing the winds and water won't push them away. >> we'll stay out here. this is our home. no matter what it looks like right now or what may be on the way. yeah. that's the concern here the roughest of the weather coming back through likely this evening and all day tomorrow. it's a tough going for awhile. >> it sure is. jay gray reporting tonight from oklahoma. great to have you with us my friend. thank you so much. up next the conclusion of our series "rising tide the climate crisis." investors cheer today employment report. the dow soars 267 points. the s&p up 28. the nasdaq climbs 58. the economy added jobs in april roughly in line with estimates. the unemployment rate edged down
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welcome back to the requested show. tonight we conclude our series "rising tide thecrisis ." ." ho boek catastrophic weather events like sandy could become the norm for the coastal cities in our country. without drastic action it could be in real trouble. tonight's story is about hoboken, new jersey working toward a sustainable future.
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>> they're concerned about the storm surge which the national hurricane center is classifying as a life threatening storm surge. >> it's a dangerous situation. the best advice stay at home. >> on october 29th 2012 hurricane sandy barrelled into the try state area. >> new york harbor is shaped like a funnel which has a great potential to amplify storm surges. >> the storm search devastating coasted new jersey and new york harbor. >> restoring that power and getting the mass transit system up and running are the biggest issues facing new york city. >> sandy was one of the largest mass transit disasters. >> events like sandy tend to focus people's attention on weather extremes and the climate change aspect to them. >> hoboken, new jersey was especially hit hard. the city on the bank the hudson river sits below sea level. >> new jersey city hoboken have a tremendous amount of high density development and low lying areas, and the whole
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jersey shore and that recreation recreational economy is at risk. >> 500 million gallons of water flooded this city during the height of hurricane sandy. >> this is definitely the worst we've seen in this area. >> the city was under water. we basically became an island. the hudson river came in on us and we were an island for about five days. hoboken mayor dawn zimmer knows her city is on the front lines in the fight against climate change. >> i've known that climate change is a serious threat for hoboken is a major challenge we face. it's making things for severe. we're facing more storms like this. we're facing more heavy rain events. i think it may have climate change may have made that storm even more severe. >> the risk is here and now. it's not a future risk. a lot of damage we already suffer from coastal floods is enhanced by the sea level rise
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and fall rate we've seen. >> it's not just hurricanes. hoboken deals with the effects of climate change on a regular basis. since 1958 there has been a 71% increase in heavy downpours in the northeast. >> since sandy we've had, you know, about six or seven major rain events. we had aability will have flooding yesterday from the rain. it happens on a regular basis. so the science says more rain more heavy rain is coming. >> i want to stress the importance of investing nasa. we don't have to pay again the next time this happens. president obama apointed mayor zimmer to the classroom change task force. >> i announced $1 billion. >> trying to come up with solutions that touch upon the system. >> we want the best ideas. >> my voice on that climate change task force was to say we need to focus, also on the urban areas and what we're doing to help especially communities that are facing real flooding
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challenges. it's a approach we take with, you know with flooding for urban areas. so i was thrilled that, you know, out of that process came the rebuild by design and they're doing it on a national scale. >> rebuild by design. it's a competition between the world's talented researchers and designers. the goal is infrastructure projects that protect against climate change. >> in cases like sea level rise we sit on the same coast. building by design is an opportunity to invent some of the long-term planning into short and immediate yumt term solutions. >> i think it's a fantastic program. that's the direction. we need to think outside the box. we keep doing the same thing again and again and end up the same results. i'm thrilled we were able to win $230 million to protect our
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city. >> mayor zimmer has a clear plan to protect hoboken. >> the water came in from the south and the north. we need to really protect the city and protect from having that storm surge come in again. >> as you can see here it came up to about 4 feet or so. >> but the north end of hoboken there will be money from the rebuild by design process $230 million. a portion will go toward protecting the northern end where the water came in. part that have resist strategy is not just create a wall but do something that creates an amenity for the community. we have designed a boat house that will -- that can flood underneath but behind it would be a flood wall to really protect. on top of that we want to have a resiliency center where people can come learn more about, you know, how to have green roof how to have rain barrels, how to have all kinds of different things and ultimately we would like to create that as almost a job training center where people can come.
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i think it can incentivize people to be involved and think about what can you, also in addition to what the city is doing. what can residents and building owners also do to be a part of the solution. >> and you can see our entire series on our website ed.msnbc.com. still to come john kerry and trust on the iran nuclear deal. while congress asks for more transparency. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. you can call me shallow... but, i have a wandering eye.
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tonight our 2:00 drill. deflection. a guy who knows a thing or two about controversies shared his thoughts on tom brady. >> i don't think anybody is trying to say that tom brady won four super bowls or became, you know a future hall of famer because the balls are little underinflated top take a couple of shots at him, people like every once awhile.
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i think it's way, way overblown. >> holy smokes. i have a fever. i agree with chris christie. christie is a devout cowboys fan but he has tom brady's back. brady came out in front of the cameras for the first time since the report. >> i haven't had much time to digest it fully, but when i do i'll be sure to let you know how i feel about it. >> are you that slow a reader? >> well, my athletic career has been better than my academic career. usually i used to reading x's and o's. >> we earned and achieved everything we got this year as a family. i'm proud of that and our fans should be, too. >> university of michigan has to be proud of that comment. the nfl could have to hand down the disciplinary ruling as this evening according to the boston globe. brady may still be digesting by then. stick around. lots more coming up "on the ed show."
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and we are back. finally tonight, the iran nuclear deal could be a reality late next month. a lot of people think it's going to happen. in france the secretary says john kerry struck a harsh tone on iranian aggression in the region. >> we remain concerned about iran's destabilizing actions in the region and it is precisely because of those concerns that
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we believe it is so important that iran not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and we will continue to work with our friends and allies in the region. >> earlier today neo-conbill kristol attacked kerry in "the weekly standard" saying we don't have a sophisticated negotiator. we have john kerry so the deal will be catastrophic. on thursday the senate passed legislation giving law enforcement a chance to vote on the deal before sanctions are lift. >> it's the first time in eight years or four or five months that i served in the senate that i can remember congress -- congress asserting itself and taking power back that had already been granted to a president. >> the white house says president obama is ready to sign the bill as long as house lawmakers don't make any big
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changes. i'm joined tonight by lacey healy, a fellow at the simpson center and also president of the ploughshares fund. lacey, what does this senate bill do at this point? >> yes, the senate bill ultimately at this point it allows congress to weigh in on an eventual nuclear deal if one is achieved but it really doesn't have the teeth of the original bill, so this is -- this is ultimately really, i would say, an endorsement for diplomacy. this was negotiated by senators cardin and corker and ultimately they came down to a bipartisan negotiation, bipartisan agreement that the white house supports more than it supported the original bill. they took out a lot of original damaging provisions and this will ultimately be a chance for the senate to weigh in and for congress to weigh in but not kill a deal. >> joe, what kind of conversations have you had with iranian diplomats? how do you feel about this? >> just last week i was up at the united nations and i talked
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with foreign minister zarif, the iranian head negotiator on this deal. they are a little frustrated with some of the -- some of the statements they hear coming out of the white house, sort of a crowing about how much we've achieved. i understand why secretary kerry is saying this. we've got a very good deal here. this deal if we get to finalize it, will roll back iran's program, slink is to a fraction of its size and lock it up and put it under an international microscope so zarif is trying to sell this to his hardliners doesn't like the u.s. boasting but i think the negotiators are in very good shape right now. working around the clock. as of friday they have been working non-stop to finalize this deal by the end of june. the actions that you saw in the senate really eliminate the last major impediment to congress being able to stop this and just yesterday we got a letter from 150 democrats strongly supporting the negotiations in
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effect making sure that there is a veto-proof segment of the how is that will stop any attempt to kill the eventual iran deal. >> joe, what sense do we have from the iranian people that they really want this and that if this happens it will hold within their society, that there wouldn't be some kind of revolt? >> well i'm glad you brought this up because the american people need to look a little past the rhetoric of the hardliners and regime including supreme court leader khomeini and look at the iranian people who are some of the most pro-american populations that we have in the middle east. i've been to tai rafnlt they love americans. when they got the original framework agreement april 2nd, the iran negotiators came back to the airport, they were mobbed as if they just won the super bowl. people are cheering this and see this as the beginning of iran opening up as the beginning of a society opening up so the iranian people back this deal overwhelmingly. >> lacey, what about what second kerry was talking about the
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posturing and the involvement that the iranians are aggress aggressively showing in the middle east, is this not a problem? >> yes it's definitely an issue. however, this is a regional issue. this is one that has a long history and it's unrelated to this current negotiation. ultimate lit u.s. and its partners in the region its partners around the world with going to be safe we are this nuclear deal with a deal that keeps iran from keeping nuclear weapons. honestly, iranian aggression that's all the more reason why we need inspectors on ground watching iran's nuclear program. >> what about bill kristol's criticism of john kerry? >> yeah. i mean i think that -- i think that this is -- >> he said it's going to be a catastrophe. >> this won't be a catastrophe. this is an important deal one that keeps us safer and more secure. that's the most important thing. what's really a catastrophe and dangerous here is the posturing that's happening on other side. >> joe, are you convinced that those who oppose this in america
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are on the wrong side of history? >> yes they are, and they are in a minority. it's clear. this is what the 151 democrats who signed the letter today represent. the american people are strongly in favor of this deal. you look at the polls, 60%, 65% approve this. the latest quinnipiac poll 77% of the american people prefer a diplomatic solution over war. the core of the american security establishment, brzezinski scowcroft, former joint chiefs of staff, strongly in favor of this diplomatic solution. there's a loud well-funded my north trying to make noise. bill kristol is trying to make money off of it. i understand it. ultimately he'll lose. >> so the israelis are wrong? >> the current likud party headed by prime minister netanyahu is wrong on this. once they get a final deal on june 30th i think you'll see the israeli rhetoric change.
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>> laicie will they like the deal? >> i think all that oppose the deal will have to have it proven to them and i think that's nothing with that. it will be. >> at the end of the day the 47 signatures that were on that letter were a non-factor from the united states senate? >> yeah ultimately they weren't a factor. really getting through this bipartisan negotiation on this agreement, i mean folks agree that this -- that this is a good thing for united states security. >> so tom cotton joe, was a tool politically because his efforts seem to have failed? >> he grossly overplayed his hand and complicated the u.s. negotiating position. his letter was raised by the iran negotiators who were saying, well can you real deliver on this deal so it undercut the u.s. as they were trying to negotiate with one of our chief adversaries and ultimately it isolated tom cotton. i mean who is going to sign a letter written by tom cotton again? >> quickly, joe, the sanctions, what will happen to them? will they slowly come off and
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over time what does this mean? >> the way this current plan is laid out, most of the sanctions will be suspended almost immediately, but then they will be ready to snap back should iran cheat. >> okay. joe and laicie great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. that's "the ed show." "politics nation ""with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed and thanks to you for tuning in. we begin with breaking news tonight. the officers charged in the death of freddie gray have filed a motion to dismiss the charges or at least remove state's attorney marilyn mosby from the case. that motion filed just moments ago. it comes after attorney general loretta lynch announced plans to launch a federal investigation into the baltimore police department. >> today, the department of justice, is opening an investigation into whether the

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