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i'm sure all of you are wondering why we've called you together today. >> well, it's a big day. >> it's a huge day. >> it is. i've been working on this all weekend. >> it's the professor's birthday. >> yes, happy birthday, harold. >> oh, my gosh. happy birthday. >> well, that's it for the show. >> we're done. >> we're going out to a party. harold -- >> thank you, sir. >> you're having birthdays and babies. holy cow. >> my so thatn is due today, so i
hope -- >> this is your due date? >> this is her due date. he'll be 50. >> by the way, you start doing that math because i was 40 when kate was born and 45 when crack was born. and you start doing that math -- >> you were 45 when jack was born, too? >> i was. and so you know what i was doing yesterday, stuffy just never do. i was like you get to this stage, wait a second if i'm going to be able to throw the ball -- okay he's going -- but he's 15 i'm going to be 6 -- ten years from now you'll be doing it like -- got to stay alive! and for kate got to be able to punch about the kid if he's -- >> he's become a workout-aholic. >> well, no, but you do youstart worrying about that. >> my daughter is 16 months. so i have to be strong. >> anybody else anything else before we -- >> lebron but --
>> the lebron shot. doctor long live >> long live the king. >> so huge news in the media world, may not mean a lot to some people but in the media world, bill simmons, who really -- this guy helped in part create a new media age. he had a blog out in l.a. he had an attitude he picked up a huge following he especially with the younger males. the very people who were stupid with their money and spend a lot of it. i speak of course of my son and his friends. i'm joking. but this guy knew how to get that demo. he went to espn and became massive. but the thing that made him great made him too stuff for the
corporation to handle. >> espn announced that they were not going to renew or sign bill simmons deal when it's coming up this fall. already announced that's not going to happen. here's my full disclosure as usual my sister and my brother-in-law both work for espn and work closely with bill simmons about. >> do we call them corporate pigs this morning? >> call my sister a corporate pig, we'll have trouble. sdl >> watch out for her. >> the man is holding you down. >> she's so far from the man, it's unbelievable. so, yeah basically for people who don't realize, he has something like 4 million followers on twitter and he started a little blog in boston and he wrote like a fan. and this was something that sports journalism hadn't seen before. and he wrote this book about basketball that was a number one "new york times" best seller. you'd go to his book events and there were lines around the block. and he had a personal brand and it began to chafe with espn's large everyier brachbd and they decided it wasn't working out.
>> the world is changing. you've had tv executives forever wringing their hands, understanding that the whole world is changing. and people are turning off tvs a lot of times. they're getting it here on laptops, on ipads. and that's why people like bill simmons, you also have collin coward who is another guy who wherever he goes he's going to have a small audience. here's the irony. he'll have a smaller audience probably wherever he go bill simmons, but he'll make more money, he's going to have more intense followers. and he's going to create his own thiefdom, his own world. that's the same thing that will happen to coal lipllin coward. >> it will be fascinating. twoft brand two of the brantd he created, whether the two will go on
without him. >> one of the two will. 30 for 30 will go on. >> why would you let him go if you're generating -- >> because the nfl -- paid $15 billion for the nfl. i mean that's the whole -- >> it's a bigger brand. >> it's a bigger brand and if you have to choose between being, you know, a new media company and a corporate pig, if the nfl is involved you take corporate pig right now. >> does he try to pursue the glenn beck model for lack of a better way of thinking about it. >> you look at glenn beck, i don't know the latest, but i think he's on cablevision and he's making a lot of money just with subscriber fees just being a standalone guy.
collin coward had actually e-mailed joey a couple weeks ago and he said here's the future. less viewers traditionally on tv, but more power, more money, more autonomy. it's the new world. it's the new media landscape. mika and i were sitting there talking, having all these meetings, and i said like 60s months ago -- there is always something in newspapers about, you know traditional ratings. they're still trying to judge things by traditional ratings. and everybody is gathering. and i said to mika i get the feeling that younger viewers, just like people coming up, they come up hey, i saw your clip on the huffington "post" or hey, i saw your clip here or there. younger viewers are scattering. i saw this statistic when we were talking about it a couple weeks ago write just had this intuitive feeling based on what people were saying when they
were coming up to me that younger viewers are starting to scatter. and i read something on mashable that was linked to a media deal that over the last six months i think it is, 11% or 12% drop of viewers watching television something like ages 18 to 30. right some we're in the age -- we are in this world where the recording industry was in 1998 without a napster. so the traditional record company doesn't survive. but are there other ways for bands in brooklyn to record at home market on the internet and create a massive following? yes, there is. that is the future. and you just have to be able to
carry it out. >> bill simmons has built his brand for 20 year and there are people who will line up to bankroll whatever he wants to do next. >> let's read a couplekup elcouple excerpts here. this is over the weekend. actually there was a great column on friday about what this meant. also vanity fair it as well. and billwillie, why don't you read this. >> the bigger simmons got, the more posed a problem. people were beginning topping of espn and simmons synonymously and while esp this. loved what he brought them a younger audience they would not let their brand be designed bhi edginess. it remains a new phenomenon and like all new things, time tends to re veal
reveal as less than perfect. his success was threatening to the bigger corporate brand. and this in a separate piece, quote, it could be said that bristol forgot a kind of cardinal rule itself in an era where fans can get not just scores but highlights and a ton more on their smartphones original kept iscontent is a way to hold on to an audience. >> that's the key, isn't it. that's the key. you can get scores anywhere. you can get news anywhere. i already know people go what news shows do you watch after you're off the air? i look at my news feed on twitter. because i'm running a million miles an hour. we're working. i'm running to pick up kids. i'm running here, i'm running there. i don't have a chance to sit down in front of the tv until it's time to go to bed the at night. but throughout the day, i'm looking at my twitter news feed
and so if i'm turning on tv i better get more than somebody going, and in moscow today, you know -- >> relying on the smartphone the exception is bill sim sons because people will tune into see him and make it appointment viewing. >> the difference between news and sports is that e septemberspn has things that people will tune into. you will watch college football or the nfl or the events on that network and i think that's what they bet on. people will still come to us and maybe we can do that -- >> exactly, because they do still have the big events and the highlights and everything. here on the news side of it you have the big events and then sort of our only version of like the big sports events when it's political season. and then everybody starts sort of flooding -- >> big breaking news. >> yeah or big breaking news.
>> so let's do some politics and news. key ally of the united states will not be attending a summit this week at camp david to address security concerns among persian gulf nations over a potential nuclear deal with iran. officials say that king salman is not going. saudi officials say he will be overseeing a cease-fire in the bombing of iran backed houthi rebels in yemen. they say they did not mean it as a snub. >> we were just having this debate on friday somebody on friday was saying hey, hey, arabs aren't mad at this deal. we actually -- sunnis are kind of pissed off. and this is a massive message to president obama that he is not making happy a lot of traditional sunni arab allies of ours.
i 3450eb for a king to say i'm too busy to come to camp david and hang with you, king of saudi arabia, that's never happened before. it's a massive snub. >> there is clear unease. it's been discussed here and other places. i don't understand for the life of me why and how -- first of all, this is a bad move i think for the king not to want to come to snub the president. and in this kind of a setting about. i'm not sured edthat secretary kerry has been armed with everything he needs to give to the saudis. but you can see the domino effect across other parts of the region. particularly when you see the senate passed the iranian deal by almost a uhenanimous vote. it spells out that the white house has to get very serious. >> mika sometimes there are some feelings that you can't just sort of sooth over.
this is a direct threat to sunni arab nations. they seate the rise of iran they're more powerful than 1979 revolution and president obama has to realize if he carries through with this deal and iran moves toward a nuclear weapon george w. bush's tarnished legacy in the middle east, his chaos, barack obama's legacy in the middle east will be a nuclear middle will east. >> but if he carries through with the deal and the part of the deal is that they do not move forward with the nuclear weapon and people don't trust it, but we'll find out about. >> the very people who have the most to be concerned about do not believe that this deal keeps iran away from the nuclear -- the very people whose lives depend on this -- >> there is not a deal anyone would trust at this point. whether you have it or not. >> even the outline of it. obviously israel, saudi arabia
egypt, the uae, jordan all of iran's neighbors don't -- >> i don't think there is a deal any of those neighbors would trust. so it's whether you agree with the concept of a deal at all. >> and our question is do we listen to our neighbors some do we listen to our friends, do we listen to our allies or do we just move forward with a nuclear deal that is going to create a nuclear middle east? if the president wants a big deal for his legacy if he doesn't do this right -- >> i don't think he wants a deal for his legacy. i think he wants the deal to promote the potential for not going to war. because if we listen to the neighbors and allies, what do you think the next step would be? war. >> no, no, no. >> there is not a deal that is going to be trusted. >> you know it's amazing that the only answer the white house and their allies have is you have to have this deal or we're going to war.
>> thorks justno, i'm just putting it into perspective. >> no, that's twisting and distorting the reality on the ground. i agree -- i can't believe i'm saying this -- with howard dean. >> oh, my lord. >> he said the best thing we could have done is walked away from the bad outlines of the deal. where the iranians seem to keep pushing us and pushing us and pushing us and going back home and saying that what we're saying here is not the truth. and the sanctions were in place. we could have walked away and gotten a better deal. they need this deal. we don't need the deal. >> we'll agree to disagree there. >> we're sitting here in a manhattan studio debating this? the very people whose lives and national security depend on this saudi arabia egypt, israeli, uae. they're scared to death of this deal. so who are you going to believe?
>> with his decision not to come, i think it validates some of the concerns that are being expressed. i agree, we need a good deal. if we don't have a good deal i think thes who i trust will walk away from it. if you believe what the secretary of state is saying that we will have one year to act if the iranians begin to move more swiftly to develop something, it appears to be a better deal than it is. if you believe that's not the case, then it's not a good deal and i think it's incumbent upon the president and his team to convince americans and allies that that is the case. >> they have a ton of work to do. still ahead on "morning joe," new polling from bloomberg politics out of new hampshire. interesting numbers from both sides. also a live report from mississippi where two police officers were gunned down during a traffic stop. what investigators are saying about the four suspects in custody. plus the other book making major headlines about the clintons.
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another round of severe weather is hammering the nation's midsection torrential rain flooding and tornadoes wreaking havoc all weekend. more than 100 were thisin this iowa school when the roof came flying off. in south dakota, nine were injured and about two dozen buildings destroyed after a tornado ripped through dell month oig. all residents have been evacuated until further notice.
and flash flooding led to dramatic rescues in texas. some had to be rescued from rooftops. and in scene in colorado, this twister appearing somewhere over a rainbow. let's go to bill karins. that's incredible. >> double rainbow. >> incredible sight. >> karins has more. >> 79 tornados reported just this weekend alone. so we've made up for what was a slow severe weather season. and the pictures keep coming in. obviously thousands of tornado chasers were out there in the heartland this weekend. unfortunately, last night right about 10:00 p.m., a very strong storm went through the very town of van texas. about 206 residents, about two hours outside of dallas to the east. and 30% of that town was hit.
unfortunately, we haven't seen the exact pictures yet, but it appears the town took a significant blow. 26 injuries reported just from last night and i'm sure they're still going door to door trying to make sure everyone is safe. here is the current scene. tornado watch was dropped throughout areas of arkansas still severe thunderstorm watch in southern texas. maybe large hail around san antonio and austin. so heavy rains, possibly a flash flooding. watch out mem miss to greenville. and then it's still snowing in north and south dakota, a foot in areas of rapid city. so for today, a few tornadoes, 57 million people at risk. and the worst of it appears to be northern ohio and southern michigan. that's the best chance of tornados today. >> all right. bill thank you very much. let's go to politics now. new polling is highlighting the tale of two parties in the early stages of the race. this poll from bloomberg politics says nine rops within 8
percentage points of the lead. >> so look at this really quickly. a couple big movers here. both from florida. one is marco rubio who jumped mark held principal, the other jeb bush who drops 5 points. jeb may be collecting a zillion dollars right now but he look at his q iowa poll where he's at 5% and his loss of 5% here man it's -- i don't know. i don't know what you come when you go back to donors and say give us more honemoney. but we're drop management poll sing in the polls. >> they have a lot of work do and they will have to intend the money well, but he will have to do it himself. people say so-and-so has to win new hampshire or iowa. this race with so many people bunched up it may not be that way. but it's still the case that jeb
bush will have do well. >> and let's put those numbers back up again. the problem is what happened to hak back this 2008, you end up in third in iowa and then you don't win new hampshire, if you're rand paul or scott walker or marco rubio or chris christie or ted cruz you're fine. if you're jeb bush, you're out. that's one of the problems, harold ford with being a frontrunner. rand paul at 12%, scott walker 12%, rand paul 11:00%, donald trump within the margin. what are you thinking when you're looking at those? >> i think they say like this for a long time until they have their first debate or two. i disagree slightly about jeb bush. i think if he raises all the money they say he will raise, he
can stay within the top three and hang around. people forget clinton in '92, he didn't pinwin miss first until georgia. it was a different setup, but he hang around. jeb bush can hang around. if he finishes fifth and fifth, i think you're right. but top three, i still think he finds himself -- >> i don't know. >> you could be right. >> let's say the top ones are happened paul and donald trump finish in the top in new hampshire. >> what if scott walker is up there. scott walker or marco rubio will be there. >> and they're the big threats. >> if he gets beaten by rubio two times i think you're right. so i agree with you in that regard. >> but the story is the fact that you have the leader at 12% in a state that is very politically in-tuned. we've never seen this before in the modern history of either party where no one is above 15%. and it's early on one level but people in new hampshire are paying attention. >> the problem also willie is
that with jeb, you can't go well, you know, what if he just gets to those debates, he's a great debater. he's not. he's not a good debater. he's not really -- he's good on his feet. question/answer. he's not a good debater. he's not good reading the prepared speech. he's the smartest guy i've ever met in politics. he really is. people would go to his staff meetings, all of his cabinet in florida, and they were always scared. not because he was mean but because they always knew he was going to be smarter than them whatever they brought up. but that doesn't translate on the campaign trail or in five second quotes and that does not translate in debates. >> as much as a we think we know about jeb bush just because of his name a national audience hasn't really seen him on a stage. >> we have an interview we're going to show in just a bit where he talks about the lack of differentiation that you should make between him and his brother on iraq.
so it's fascinating. >> but i don't think anybody watching him, maybe i'm wrong could point to one big interview they remember with jeb bush and say, yeah i know jeb bush. >> and the other thing about new hampshire primary and iowa to some extent what decides it, who has the most money the best negative ads and who can withstand negative ads. some of the people ahead of jeb bush in that poll have yet to face -- >> if that's the standard, jeb will be fine. >> if you look historically, the winner tends to be the person who askdoes the best in those three categories. >> people with crow all they want toliberal, jeb's a -- no, skreb was rks jeb was massacred when he first started running for governor by being a right wing nut. he's a libertarian conservative small government guy, he's got an extraordinary record over eight years. he does. i was there.
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risky issues. it has only been three weeks since she declared candidacy, but she already looks more confident than she did during almost 17 months of her last campaign. she is projecting a scandals be damned attitude and barreling ahead with her agenda. it may be early to jump to any hillary unbound conclusions, and she has yet to engage in any free w450e8heeling back and forth with roteporters, but mrs. clinton has shown a new willingness to take stands that turn off some voters or interest groups. >> so patrick, if you don't want people talking about the clinton foundation stop having vapid efforts with fake voters and driving around in the skoobcooby
van. so we talk about that instead of lux him burgmhimemburg luxemburg. >> what violation of the ethics group they came up with. running for only three week, but already running the way she wants to. she was pivoting between these small events where she doesn't have to talk to reporter giving speeches like she did off of baltimore. >> but what is scandals be damned about that? >> she's not going to get tight in front of the lights in terms of going before reporters shouting out questions on the rope line. she'll just rise above it get sort of -- move beyond it. focus on the message that she wants to give. what happened to her if you go back eight years, she quickly became defined by how she and her campaign were constantly grappling on how to go on the offensive, falling back on the
defensive against both barack obama and john edwards. finding what kind of you know a narrative thread she was going to be able to follow through on was very hard for her. from the get-go -- >> agrees for the whole table. how long can she go on like this? she put a web video on youtube. doesn't answer questions about it. same thing with immigration. how long can she continue to not answer any questions or have any real engagement with the media or larger groups of voters? >> i think the first big test is about trade. president obama came out this weekend saying elizabeth warren is wrong on her positions with the ttp trade deal. at some point hillary clinton will have to decide or the of is she going to thread the needle closer to what president obama's position on this is and what her own position has been for years in terms of being a supporter of free trade. or is she going to try to stay with the waern siderren side of the
party. >> she's in effect running unopposed. bernie sanders isn't going to smoke her out. >> he says he can beat her. >> but barack obama in 2008, actually listhis campaign was brilliant brilliant. they did a lot on the web and facebook, but they didn't have as much access with the press. really no reason for hillary as long as nobody is running against her in the democratic party, she can define her campaign however she wants to define her campaign. >> and she's taking tapstands on issues pl issues. more 308polling is diving into her image. her favorability is still at 86% backing up exactly what you're both saying here. that's virtually unchanged from last november when it was at 88%. >> oh, no she's lost two
points. >> but among likely general election voter, her popularity is slipping. nearly half had an unfavorable opinion of her and her favorable rating has dropped eight points since february. and when it comes to some of the qualities voters consider most important in choosing a president, she has some work to do, nearly 60% of likely general election voters said neither bill nor hillary clinton can be trusted to tell the truth and nearly half 47%, said neither shares their values. as for the allegations -- >> look at the top one. i'm sorry, guys. i don't mean to make you switch back. cares about people like you. mark halperin -- >> the reason we poll is not just because of the primary. it's a battleground general election state. and that number surprised me and i'm sure if the clintons are paying attention would worry them a little bit. that is the core strength of the democratic party and republicans are not intimidated by her now to say the least. it's numbers like that 11% say
hillary clinton better describes her than her husband, but this is still an issue she has do better on. and if the republicans nominate someone who can convince voters they care more about them than hillary clinton, she'll lose. >> and then the question for media strategists and communications folk and for ultimately hillary clinton is whether to get this all out now and this huge republican field, you know attack her like guppies. >> but that's not -- >> as opposed to waiting -- >> that's not how the clintons work. >> as opposed to waiting and having a real matchup with someone and then being -- at some point, she will get faced with these questions and the question when to tackle them when does it play into her favor. i think it could play into her favor whether that's right or not. >> she has the space patrick, to take her time. because she doesn't have strong competition on the democratic side. at the same time you go back to -- well, let's go going 2014.
that election was decided in january/february of 2014 with all the money that democratic senators were hammered on, on the affordable care act. you go back to 2012 most people will say mitt romney lost in january/february/march because, you know, you have this feeling that he was out of you have to and he walked around with a top hat and zirl i don't knowllions of dollars and he was uncaring. that stuck with him. you wonder how much of this sticks with hillary if she doesn't get ahead of it. >> the "clinton cash" book probably came out at the best possible time. it's coming out so early, sort of get these questions out of the way. the question is the paid speeches. if bill clinton is really going to continue giving them. if the clintons still look as if whether it's her e-mail practices, whether it's the way
that they have accumulated money, look so sort of out of you have to like mark said not like people like us. if voters can still find that. the thing is who will take the argument to her that she will be able to push back against. >> i guess the main thing is they just can't have unforced errors. they can't have bill clinton saying i've got to get paid $550,000 for an hour's speech because i got to pay the bills. i'm not being facetious here. or that say, i deserve to get paid $550,000 because sometimes i prepare a couple of hours before the speech. that's the sort of thing, things are tough enough, they have to avoid those unforced errors. because those do accumulate over the year and then when you're in a general election from september to november of '16, boom. >> they're thrown back at you. patrick healy, thank you very much. up next secretary of homeland security says a lone wolf terrorist could strike at any moment. we'll talk to the director of
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terrorist threat where the so-called lone wolf could strike at any moment which is why the fbi in my judgment has done an excellent job of intra dicting those attempting to travel to syria, who commit overt acts in furtherance of material support to terrorism. it is a new environment, but we are not discouraging americans from doing the things they to on a daily basis. >> a fine balance there. joining us there washington director and senior fell loaf the transnational threats project at the center for take strategic and international studies thomas anderson is back with us. good to have you. the internet is sort of this uncontrolled universe for terror to grow and spread and i'm not even sure how at this point officials are able to counter that. >> well, it's extremely difficult when you have isis putting out 90,000 messages a day. i often think about the internet as the largest ungoverned space
that we have to deal with. we talk about hosethose spaces in somalia, afghanistan syria but the internet is the largest space in which a group like isis and al qaeda can operate, radicalize raise money and prepare attacks. >> is there a way to track the kind of recruitment that is going on and see what is inspired versus what is becoming a collective teamwork within this country? >> well, only a small small amount of it. again, we have millions of messages going a day, this fact billions of messages. so to try to find individual instances of recruitment, you will find some but not more than just a few percent, i believe. >> what speaks to their increased ability and success in recruiting americans and convincing more americans to convert? it seems like the number is
higher than it was a few years ago ago. maybe i just don't know the numbers. >> sure. well, i would say we really don't know the numbers. we have the latest figure of 180 americans who have attempted to go to fight for isis or who have actually gone there. but i think part of it is simply technology. the slick production that isis has been able to put out there and certainly everyone is sharing everything these days. you have a lot of young people eager to it absorb these. so i think part of it is technology. part of it is alienation and marginalization marginalization. so it's a combination of factors here. >> this is willie geist. what strikes me about this garland, texas attack and other lone wolf attacks is there may not be anything that intelligence could have traced. they're not getting orders from the middle east to carry out attacks. they're watching a beheading video online and being inspired by that. so what do you do about those people? >> it's incredibly difficult. if you look at the video of the
burning of the jordanian pilot, that's a very very popular video. it's exception lay documentary of over 20 minutes long that lays out a justification for the killing of this pilot. and then similar to the release of american military personnel's addresses at the end of this video, they show pilots in the jordanian air force where they live, their hometowns and offers a reward for them. this is very, very slick. it also speaks to the notion of leveling the playing field and bringing justice to those who have never met with it. and so this is a very lethal, very difficult force. >> and there is no way to control this. can we just say what we're all saying here? that nothing can be done? that's been ever since you've had. i'm not expecting to you have solutions. but it just seems like unless we can control actually the dissemination of this material which we cannot on the internet -- >> is there a way to counter it with positive messages that can be effective? >> that's a real challenge. just back to mika's point, it is very difficult to do.
this is just a wild west open forum. you can close down certain accounts on twitter and facebook, but it's very difficult to do it. and i'm just not sure where we go with this. you had a followup question? >> is there a way for the u.s. government and others to counter using social media with other mess an more positive message sths. >> slur. well, the messages complaint come from the u.s. government. they have to come from leaders who are more acceptable to young people. but many of these young people have already rejected those messages from so-called moderate leaders. and any effort from the u.s. government, whether a countering violent extremism effort or some other effort is seen as camouflage surveillance. so i really don't think we have many solutions here. >> thomas thank you very much. we'll continue this conversation. coming up tom brokaw joins us with his new memoir. and also peter king.
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so listen so i've gotten a call, apparently the saudis later today may be coming out with a statement saying, you know, there are a lot of different reasons we're not going, we got a lot of stuff going on in saudi arabia right now, we have a cease fire with yemen. but we actually agree with the direction that the talks are going with iran. >> that's important. >> that is. obviously there are some concerns. but if the saudis come out and make that statement -- >> can't they facetime or something? joking. >> they're sending defense minister who many people believe may be possibly the next leader. >> so there is representation at
camp david. >> also and is this big, you look gutenberg bible, right? alexander graham bell, right, the end of world war ii and the release of mika's next book. >> you skipped the wright brothers. >> the wright brothers. and then the release of this book. 1,000 years from now willie of all of those events which one of those will have the greatest impact on american civil sags? >> the question that answers itself this, one right here available tomorrow. >> yes. this is a very back handed way of -- thank you very much. >> followup to knowing your value. >> yes, the sequel. rebranding. very special chapter for millennials because they're a special bunch. >> they are a special bunch. >> but definitely continues the conversation which of course goes on stage this friday though your value, washington,
d.c. event. you can still get tickets. >> see how it all works together. >> look at me today. buy this book. >> pitch man donny deutsche. >> i know what you want donny. >> can't say that on the air. that's not what you want to grow. coming up it at the top of the hour, when it comes to policy decisions, jeb bush is keeping his brother close and his democratic opponent even closer. >> plus we'll go live to mississippi on the update of the tragic slaying of two police officers on what appeared to be a routine traffic stop. >> and are personal brands getting bigger than the media empires that build them? "morning joe" straight ahead.
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liquori tate gunned down. >> they have to try to protect themselves, as well. >> how are you? >> white house officials say they will seek to strength p military and security ties with gulf nations at the camp david talks. >> officials say that king salman of saudi arabia is not going to thursday's summit. >> this is a massive message to president obama. i mean for a king to say i'm too busy to come to camp david and hang with you, that's never happened before. >> this is what has the fbi so worried. >> we're definitely in a new environment because of isil's effective use. >> the that of the threatnature of the threats are more serious today. welcome back to "morning joe". mark halperin and donny deutsche
is here. >> that's all the greeting he gets? >> he was so helpful. like the great stuff. shall we get to politics? >> no. bill simmons instead. we're talking about new media landscape. willie, set up what happened. this is a guy that created a new wave of media culture. just a blogger out of his house in l.a. wrote like the every fan talked. now he's out at espn. and i think actually it's only going to make his impact even more powerful. >> bill simmons biggest star at the biggest media entity espn had a difficult relationship at times with management. he was suspended late last year
when he called roger goodell a liar over the ray rice case. he has been at espn for several year, but has spent 20 years building up his brand. he writes like a fan, drew up a huge fan base. and interview on friday i think it was espn president john skipper snoupsed that they will not resign bill simmons. >> were you surprised? >> i was surprised not that it happened, i was surprised by the timing and how quickly it was done. i think maybe bill simmons and some other people were surprised, too. but i think his deal is up in october and he was already thinking about what is my next you've from here. i think he thought he'd done what he could do at espn which was a lot. he knew there would be other opportunities out there for him with private hone whowanted to help him build his own thing. >> and we're talking about where the future lie.
this guy will have less viewers, but make a lot more money outside of espn. from the "washington post," the bigger he got, the more he posed a problem to espn. while espn loved what simmons brought them, they could not or would not let their brand be defined by his edginess. the journalist's brand phenomenon remains relatively new and like all new things that seems to be nothing but good at the start, time tends to reveal as less than perfect. simmons is the latest example of a brand whose very success was built on traits that ultimately became threatening to the bigger corporate brand for which he worked. this is what vanity fair says. >> it could be said that bristol forgot a kind of cardinal rule in an era where fans cannot get
not just scores but hugh lights and a ton more on their smartphones, original content is the way to engage and hold on to an audience flopped in front of a big 899 inch. >> coal lip coward had said a while back that the future is away from traditional tv where you had stars making more with smaller autded smaller audiences. >> the very thing that that him is the very thing that caused espn to walk away. most valuable partner is nfl. and i think it was last week that simmons said about goodell he doesn't have the testicular fortitude. and that doesn't sit well with the commissioner. so that was the beginning of the end. to your point, though, this and you talked about this in the early hour i can get scores on this, i can do anything on this.
i can't get that kind of -- >> you're holding up your phone. >> yeah that. go ahead. >> hi my new apple -- >> so go ahead. >> i can get scores here. i don't need to turn on tv to see a talking head. i can't get the interesting parallel howard stern, making $100 million, a lot more in untraditional play that says, look -- >> and you have to go out of your way to see howard stern. >> so a completely bespoke customized age. where i'm a viewer and i like a piece of talent, i can find my direct path. i don't need a broadcast network, i don't need a cable network. all i need is this. >> what i want to see if eye am the i had i don't on fox who now does his pod cast ss, those 4 million, 5 politicalmillion will follow me wherever i go. so small media story, but big story about how -- >> why are we criticizing fox
network? they brought us "american idol" and a lot of other great things. but now in it media landscape, and i noticed this too, i'm 52 i'm not 18, 19 20, 201. i hardly ever turn on traditional tv. when i have time to sit down like i did this weekend and finally see something, i always go straight to tivo other apple tv and i select what i want to see. >> the flip side howard stern is less a part of your life and my would have before may that decision. >> howard stern is actually one of the most brilliant media guys there is. he realized i have these two million passionate viewers. i don't care about you. i care about those two million. >> there is a tradeoff here. the two of the loudest and some would say most influence shl voice voices pre-2012 were glenn beck
and keith olbermann. they went their separate ways went away from the traditional network and you didn't hear their voices in will 20912 campaign, whereas in 2008 and 2010, on -- for the base, they were the guiding light. so you'll make more but -- >> and you gave an interesting stat. that between 18 and 30 year old they have dropped off 15%. >> here's the deal. between september of last year and something like february of this year 11% gown. rhett me tell you something, and i know maybe we're walking on sacred ground here comcast big enough to figure it out, but for 18, 19 20, 21-year-olds, just
like they stopped getting telephones put into the wall a lot of them now are going, wait why am i -- >> so you won't lose the base. >> what i'm saying is why am i going to get like cable? aim going to get cable put in or am i going to get tivo or apple tv and get subscription services? and that's how the world -- >> cable has it all. >> that's how the world is changing dramatically. you'll say you won't get the local news channels. they don't really care about local news. >> bill sim onmons is a huge talent and wherever he goes he will be big. but it will potentially reduce his reach. >> i disagree it will reduce his reach because once again i think we live in a world now that basically i decide what i watch. >> you're right ten years from now. but i have to agree with mark,
today you'll have more money, you'll have more freedom, but you won't have the impact that you have on espn or that glenn beck had at fox news or that keith owner map had at msnbc in their heyday. >> we are five years away. >> five year, ten years.owner map had at msnbc in their heyday. >> we are five years away. >> five year, ten years. right now you have to choose money, automatic ton autonomy. >> and there is no substitute for big live sports events. >> just to talk about us some more it's hard to measure the impact that this show has. but you've got right now they're watching it in the senate gym. right now they're watching it in the house. right now they're watching it at the white house. right now they're -- >> also highly downloaded. >> media people are waking up to this show. it's hard to quantify all that. i can go somewhere else and maybe make more money. i can't go somewhere else and have a bigger impact with influencers than i have right here. and that's a choice that we all
make all the time. >> i want you to look at the future. the one lastwonone last bation sports. can you imagine if they said i will double what espn would have. it will come. because that's the last bas i don't know. if you say to yourself i want to upset this paradigm this untouchable, amazon, a google. and that will come at some point. >> i think one of the greatest examples of this is like let's say the masters. the masters is at cbs. and chances are good it will be at cbs long after we're gone. >> and the olympics at nbc for the foyerreseeable future. there is a huge appeal to going out on your own but it takes a certain level of personality to mull that off. you have to be howard stern, glenn beck and probably you've got to be bill simmons who is as big a name as there is in sports. and a lot of people are doing
this. i look at chelsea handler who decided i don't want to be the next david letterman or one these network shows. i want go to netflix and do whatever i want, bring my audience with me from tv and twitter and do my own thing. but you have to be of a certain stature. >> and you won't get the same audience that you would get at hbo or somewhere else. >> and i'd like to announce dishing with with don any,ny. time for politics. a new poll highlights the crowded republican field. it has nine republicans within 8 percentage points of the lead. rand paul and scott walker are tied at the top with jeb bush and marco rubio, each one point back. but support for bush has fallen five points since the last version of the poll in february while support for rubio has more than doubled. jeb bush is allowing a little
daylight to get between him, his brother and most surprisingly hillary clinton. in an interview with fox news, bush grappled with the invasion and occupation of iraq during his brother's presidency. >> knowing what we know how to would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have. and so would have hillary clinton just to remind everybody and so would have almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got. in retrospect the intelligence that everybody saw, that the world saw, not just the united states was faulty. and in retrospect, once we invaded and took out saddam hussein, we didn't focus on security first and the iraqis in this incredibly secure environment turned on united states military because there was no security for themselves and their families. by the way guess who thinks that those mistakes took place, as well? george w. bush. >> your brother. >> yeah. so just for the news fwlash to the world if they're trying to
find places where there is big space with me and my brother this might not be one of those. >> wow. interesting. what do you think? >> i think he's telling the truth. i think, you know, 72%, 73% of people believe that. i think hillary clinton believed that. i think john edwards believed that. i think everybody that rap for president in -- i mean i think kerry also supported the war. clinton. >> hillary certainly doesn't want to get into an iraq war debate. >> no. >> she has and on the record vote. jeb didn't have to vote. >> obama wasn't in washington he was in a small state -- his political advantage to be against the war where he was running. so please. blah, blah, blah. >> it happens to be the case. it was in his political self interests. so anyway, the candidates running this year did support
the iraq war. so jeb is inoculated on the two issues that might hurt him the most, his last that i am andname and the iraq war by the person he may be running against in the general election. >> i don't think the last nooim name hurts him nearly as much as hillary. i haven't seen a lot of him. he's new. >> he's not his brother. and by the way, that becomes obvious with every sentence he completes. he's not his brother. not even close. >> that's our next president. >> george w. bush is a smart guy, intuitively in his gut. jeb is cerebral. very cerebral. and i'll tell you again, he's the smartest guy i've ever been around campaigning with the smartest politician i've been around. i've been around thousands and thousands of politicians. yes, including bill clinton. he doesn't have the flash, he doesn't scratch his face and do the cute stuff but jeb is a
very bright guy. >> so marco rubio came under scrutiny this weekend for his personal financial relationship with a billionaire donor. the "new york times" reports that businessman norman bremen hired rubio as a lawyer and donating $100,000 to fund rubio's college teaching position. the paper notes he also hired the senator's wife at his family's foundation and gave him access to a private plane while the rubios were mired in debt. case kasie hunt caught up with the senator and asked him about it. >> norman brie man whofree paid you? >> he was a client of my law firm. and we did to work for him and i'm proud of our association.
>> and you don't feel like you have any ethical conflicts? >> the only thing he's ever asked for my help on is charities. so norman brey man has they ever asked me to to anything for his business.man has they ever asked me to to anything for his business. >> the first time he's gotten scrutiny this year. you look at polls, it's undeniable, people are less interested in bush and more interested in rubio. now that he's getting scrutiny, there is big unanswered questions. the "times" story largely was old ground but definitely questions about his relationship with this donor. >> illegal, improper, unethical is this. >> people who are looking between the lines wonder how hills wife got paid so well.
people want to know how much she was paid. >> he was certainly not in elected office in washington. was he in elected office in florida? >> he was running for the senate and part of the relation went back to when he was speaker. >> but at the time the wife -- because it's one thing if you're speaker of the house in florida and your wife gets paid. i'm asking was and he private citizen. >> i believe she was on the payroll at least while he was a senator. >> i'm talking about the $100,000 the jets. >> they have an interacting relationship. >> but was he a private citizen when goat thet the money? >> i believe his wife was on the payroll while he was a senator. >> when you twach that clip and
then the watch of bush who do you want sitting across from you? people's interest in this guy, you look at the gravitas -- >> if you voted for obama you'd say rubio because he's young and fresh and exciting. if you like experience would you have voted for hillary. >> i still say there is a difference. this is just persona. if we put up a clip of obama there was still most of of a presence. >> but obama gave answers that sounded serious. rubio is giving answers on foreign policy now that sound serious. he's on the foreign relations committee. and over time, if he answers questions well i think he can get over that image thing. >> marco rubio at this stage certainly is more well wersed in foreign policy and international affairs than barack obama was when he ran in 2008.
we had david ignatius here one guy i respect the most on foreign policy on friday saying how smart and insightful he's been. i will tell you, when marco first got out in the senate i was first to say he looked like he was a student government candidate. he looked young, inexperienced. >> immature. >> he has really grown over the past four years. i'm not saying he's ready to be president, i'm just saying if you're comparing him to where barack obama was on foreign policy, i don't think it's much of a contest. >> obama talked about negotiating with iran and negotiating with north considerkorea. those were controversial. rubio is taking more conventional positions, but he is thinking creatively. >> has any major foreign policy
minds gotten hechbd enten behind marco rubio? >> yeah. i can't tell you who. nobody is beating him within the democratic party right now. >> i think he's just saying that because he's racist. >> don't tell everybody that. >> alex, you had an answer on the marco. >> it looks like it was in between times fwhechbswhen he was in office. it was when he was running for senate. >> why are we not seeing you do you not have your wig on today? >> we didn't pay the bills. >> didn't they take some trip together where he was a senator and she got -- >> oh, there. >> all right. well the "new york times" certainly gave us a lot of scrutiny and it sounds so similar to hillary clinton expect for the fact that there wasn't someone serving in office, which is a big
difference. she was serving as secretary of state. still ahead on "morning joe," congressman peter king joins us we'll get his thoughts on 9the threat of home grown terror. >> you are guys concerned? i was on the phone with a source did during your terror segment, i saw like three or four different warnings from three or four different sources over the weekend when home grown terror threats and isis. and when i start hearing it from three or four different random sources, i'm concerned the alarms are going off. >> and the outcome is that there is nothing you can do to contain the threats spreading on the internet. and that's something we need to sort of delve into in the days to come. because there has to be some way of controlling these videos and these messages. >> and willie we have to ask the question after the german plane crash where you had to balance a person's privacy with
the safety of passengers on the plane. we'll have to do that whereith the internet. and whether you're talking about twitter accounts or youtube accounts, whatever you're talking about, i'm sorry, we're going to have to be a lot more aggressive in stopping terror threats. >> when you hear thomas anderson say 90,000 isolated isis messages a day you're just putting your finger in the dam. and the troubling question and nobody can really answer, what do you do about a person who doesn't have direct ties to isis but who watches the video of a pilot being burned and is inspired by that to go shoot people this garin garland texas. >> and the next battle is to make sure people can't see those videos. if we have hackers that are able to shut down banks and go.
aepg government agencies, we have hackers that can put a million fingers in a million different dikes and stop this hatred from spreading. >> the advancement will be the undoing of civilization as we know it. there is obviously the up side to it but we're going to be living through the down side. >> racist and elitist. >> but that's a strong combination. >> now you two zip it and we'll be right back. out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons. the volkswagen golf. starting at $19,295, there's an award-winning golf for everyone.
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sharing his experiences. you share stories for a living. you share stories because it's what you do. but tell us about sharing this story with your family. >> well, when i was diagnosed, which was a big surprise in the early fall of 2013 i was really blind sided by it. i'ved had the luckiest life you can possibly imagine. things had never gone wrong. and when i hit 73 this year it just kept on going. biking across south america, bird hunting and doing other things in africa and then i went to montana and i kept falling in the river and i had this persistent backache and i got to the mayo clinic and a really, really smart guy that looks over me generally, an internist, something's up. and i had multiple myeloma. and the first thing hematologist said to me, other people die from this. frank reynolds of abc --
>> yeah frank reynolds of -- >> i'm like a 3-year-old. >> frank renynolds also had this? >> what happened is that when they diagnosed me i had never -- well, i had heard of it i didn't know what it meant. and it's a blood and bone disease it turns out. and they didn't tell me just how difficult it was going to be you. there was a lot more pain involved a lot more bone destruction than i expected. so it was the beginning of a journey that was very difficult and it involved the whole family. my daughter who is a physician in san francisco meredith was there every day to make sure i got the right pills, he was able to move around a bit, but it was really tough. >> how difficult was it telling meredith? >> meredith came out of a family of eight physicians. she should have been another one. but she grew up in a time when women were not encouraged to go to medical school. and what happened is that she
knew the pill regimen right away, she was very disciplined about saying you're not going to do that. i was able do shallome things but not as many as i would like. and it's the sun sternuncertainty of about temperature it. one member gets cancer, and everybody is involved. they all have to be involved in the treatment and they have to understand the uncertainty of it. so that became my objective in keeping a journal and writing the book. >> how tough was to slow down? because the thing that even in 2012 mika and i, willie phil we would all get together and say, okay, this guy wakes up to be on the show at 4:00, he's still shaking hands at 11:00 at 23450i9 night and you were around 70 at the time. we were talking about how you were in better shape than people 40 years old. and your schedule for 55 years
has been like no schedule i've ever seen. how tough is -- and by the way, we all have very long days. how can it you adjust to having to slow down for a second and an extraordinary life? >> meredith thinks she didn't step in enough. i've had some momentum from the time i left south dakota. and i just can't resist the opportunities that come to me. during the course of having cancer, i went to normandy berlin. >> he did not stop. >> so i would pull myself stoeg. together. last fall, i did go hunting. you're never cured, but you have maintenance. and i'm on a drug right now that is going help keep it stable for a long time. i'm still dealing with however, some of the bone issues. >> remarkable thing about this to me is that those of us who
are privileged enough to get to know tom didn't really know any of this was really happening. you did keep it close to the vest. what was the decision there to keep it just between you and meredith? >> well, look there is an oxymoron in american life there is no such thing as a humble anchor than. but i really have always felt that just because i'm in this great position i sthoont go around beating my chest and saying look at me look at me. and i really wanted other families who didn't have the advantage that i did and approach it from their position. meredith would often say to people got a bad back, we'll talk to you about it later. i was on a cane for a while. and the objective at the end has been to let families know what happens when somebody in the family gets cancer. we just did a "dateline" the other night with all three of our daughters the roles that each of them played and we tried to really signal to other families who don't have the advantage that i do financially and access that you can get
through this but everybody has to have kind of an assigned role. and the thing about cancer, an oncologist has said it doesn't care if you're a mother father or anchorman, it only cares about declaring war on your body. and you have to wake up every morning and deal with that reality. and make sure that your friends understand that they can't call you every 30 seconds and say how you doing because you're concentrate order yourd on your illness. >> and you went from 5'11" to 5'9" because of this illness. explain that. >> i had four compression fact fractures in my spine. when they got spotted they said, look we think we can repair them with something called typo plasty. they fill the fractures with cement in effect. and i had a really great doctor
who did that for me. i still have some back issues, but i'm working on them with therapy. and it played to my vanity. i played ball in high school at 6-feet and suddenly i'm 5'9". my daughters had a big final with it. >> you know what adds stature, though medal of freedom. it's extraordinary. talk about that, if you will. that had to be an extraordinary life one of the most extraordinary moments. >> well, that moment at the white house was a great moment. and the life that i'ved had has been one great moment after another. and the fact is that having cancer has been ibnstructinstructive to me. never learned humility in my job, but i've learned a lot about what other families go through and i'm grateful to have the family that i have and the life that i have. so at the end of the day, i'm
still an optimist. the concluding line of the book is life what's left bring it on. i'm ready for it at that point. >> tom brokaw, tom's new book a lucky life interrupted, a memoir of hope it's out tomorrow. thank you so much tom. >> my pleasure. up next u.s. security officials sounding the alarm on how the internet helps terror groups recruit and spread their message. is it time for websites like youtube and google to do more? we'll talk to a member of the house homeland security committee, congressman peter kin. your pet... could you love him any more? probably not. but now you can give them even more when you save with sentry® fiproguard® plus. with sentry® fiproguard® plus, your pet is just as protected against fleas and ticks as with frontline® plus.
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>> no. wait! >> come on honey, you can draw it. >> i don't think i can. maybe pass? >> you cannot pass. >> please. >> daniel it's a million dollars. whoever it is just draw his face. draw his face daniel. >> no i want to go home. >> terrible. >> that's edgy there. >> joining us thousand a member of the house homeland security committee and chairman of the subcommittee on counterism intelligence. peter king of new york. >> we'll take a tight turn here from sat night"saturday night live" to something that has been concerning for us some time. we're hearing a lot about
threats from isis wannabees. >> hawking about inghawking about the lone wolf. >> why is it that we can't have more control over the hatred and the incitement for terrorism on the internet? >> there was real concern this weekend. that i can tell you. you saw the security level was raised at a number of military bases around the country. again, there has been a significant increase in threat streams coming to the u.s.. >> i was going to ask you so why was the threat level raised this weekend? >> just because of signals that are out there. things that have been picked up. and that's why you saw homeland security jeh johnson going on television. he and comey spoke with police
chiefs all over the country. so there is a concern. >> are there any specific areas, transportation malls? any specifics to these threats? >> i can't go there to that other than to confirm what you saw on television i guess on friday and saturday when they were talking about how the threat level had been raised to military bases around the country. there is also other concerns which i can't go into but you having that said i believe that we are on to it as much as we can be and talking to different police officials and they are certainly monitoring certain events. >> so let's talk about as much as we can. because that brings us balk to joe's first question. which is there is a certain universe of information floeing back and forth on the internet where there seems to be no control over, you know, very, very, very sharp frightening messages being sent to rae krut people.
>> dianene feinstein is saying isis is saying kill kill kill. how can we slow down isis saying kill, kill kill? >> we are making some progress as far as slowing it down. for instance facebook and twitter will take it down when it reaches incitement of violence level. but again, it's already been up a while. and mainly what we have to do is find a way to get it at the source, to get it -- and that will be tough. as mentioned earlier on, you had a counternarrative to somehow get a message that counters that. but again, it will be difficult for the government to do that. it's important for the muslim community itself to step up and people within that community step up. i can tell you, last a meeting in new york that secretary johnson was at and someone who was at that meeting told me he was meeting with community
leaders asking for them to step forward and be more cooperative. all they do is complain about the fact that they're being harassed and surveilled. if we keep that attitude up we'll get nowhere. the muslim community has to realize a lot of the responsibility relies with them to cooperate with law enforcement. >> i get that. facebook and twitter are not search engines. aren't we supposed to be talking about the search engines here? >> as i said i can tell you that they are attempting to find ways to stop it at the source, to go after them. but again, you run into as we saw all the issues we had last year with the nsa, so whatever is done has to be done in a way which is not going to set off all libertarians and in a way again, you're talking about a worldwide series of systems here. and it is very difficult. >> congressman, isn't it ironic we're having this discussion based on the ruling of the patriot act last week?
we're going in the wrong direction. >> no one's phone calls are being listened to no one's e-mails are being read. all her doing is storing phone number so is if we found out some that be some n. this country was in contact with a terrorist oversea, then they to find out who else they'd spoken to in the country. and then be able to listen to calls in the future if the court o.k.s it. the same as you do with drug dealers, child pornographers, organized crime. that's all this was. people in my party like rand paul have so distorted this issue. it's tying our hands at a time when the enemy is getting much more sophisticated. >> congressman, it's willie geist. i know you can't get into specifics of these threats but what's a man or a woman living in your district in long island supposed to think when they hear on a sunday show the head of homeland security say the so-called lone wolf could strike at any moment. that's a pretty threatening idea. >> it is. in my district we lost over 150 people on 9/11 so this means something to us.
it shows again, though why we have to have a full range of defenses here and that includes surveillance. it involves monitoring. it involves using the nsa. it involves using every available tool because even though a person is sitting in his basement and suddenly decides to get radicalized, there's also a chance he'll talk to somebody in his mosque. there's also a chance he'll go to a local supplier to buy explosives. so that's why you have to have this full-court press where you try to observe as much as you can as many ways as you can and tie it together. going back to the boston marathon bombing, in that case, if the fbi had shared the information they had with request the local police and the boston cops on the older tsarnaev brother they would have found out he was shooting his mouth off in the mosque in a radical way. the fbi never shared that informing. >> all right, congressman peter king thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you mika thank you, joe. >> i think we need to have a
wider conversation about search engines. i know he says libertarians and people get up in arms. people on my side of the aisle get up in arms but come on videos of beheadings beautifully produced available online at the -- >> the problem that the congressman brought is up that -- look i'm very conservative when it comes to this issue, the libertarians can stick it. you can't get ahead of it. that's the problem. you just can't get -- even if in theory google would say "okay, we've signed on." you can't control what initially goes on. you can get it off and therein lies the problem. it's weeds. it's -- sometimes there are problems that are just not solvable and unfortunately this is -- >> i'm not sure that's the case. >> youtube has policies. but it comes up so quickly they can't catch up. they take them down when they see them but they have hundreds of hours of video loaded every hour so it's hard to keep up. by the time they hear about it people have seen it already. still ahead, dramatic pictures from iowa after a
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weekend. >> have you really? >> i have. >> it's the professor's birth t day. >> yes. happy birthday harold. >> oh my gosh harold happy birthday. >> thank you. >> well that's it for the show. we're done. we're going now to a party with harold. >> thank you, sir. >> harold you're having birthdays and babies. >> stop it! >> holy cow. >> my son is due today so i hope he's born today. i hope my wife is listening. >> wait a minute. what are you doing here? >> today. >> due today. >> this is her due date? >> today is her due date. and i'm 45 today. when i'm 50 he'll be five. [ laughter ] >> you start doing that math because, you know i was 40 when kate was born and 45 when jack was born and you start doing that math. >> you were 45 when jack was born, too? >> i was. so you know what i was doing yesterday? stuff i just never do. i was like you get this stage and you're like wait a second,
if i'm going to throw the ball and go "ugh" when he's 15 i'm going to be -- so you won't do it now but ten years from now you'll be lifting going "gotta stay alive." and for kate "got to be able to punch the kid." >> he's become a workout-a-holic, i guess. >> i haven't but you start worrying about that. >> my daughter is 16 months. i'm worried about what she may be doing as well. >> happy birthday harold. >> anything else? >> lebron. >> oh lebron's shot. >> long live the king. >> long live the king. >> and so huge news in the media world that may not mean a lot to some people but in the media world, bill simmons who really -- this guy helped in part create a new media age. he had a blog out in l.a. he
had an attitude he picked up a huge following, especially with the younger males, the very people who were stupid with their money and spend a lot of it so advertisers want them badly. i speak, of course of my son and his friends. i'm joking. but they do want young males. this guy knew how to get that demo and then willie he went to espn, became massive, but the very thing that made bill simmons great is the very thing that made him too tough for a corporation to handle. >> espn announced to the "new york times," actually john skipper, the president of espn announced they were not going to renew or sign bill simmons' deal when it's coming up this fall. already announced that. here's my full disclosure my sister and my brother-in-law both work for espn and work closely with bill simmons. >> do we call them corporate pigs this morning or are they on bill simmons' side? >> if i call my sister a
corporate pig, i'll be in trouble. >> should we call her the man? the man is holding you down. >> she's so far from the man it's unbelievable. so for people who don't realize, he's got something like four million followers on twitter, he started a little blog in boston and he wrote like a fan and this was something that sports journalism hadn't seen before and he exploded he wrote this book about basketball it was a number one "new york times" best-seller, you could go to his book events and there were lines around the block and he had a personal brand and it began to chafe with espn's larger brand and they decided it was not working out for both of them. >> the problem is the world is changing you've had tv executives forever kind of wringing their hands, understanding that the whole world's changing and people are turning off tvs a lot of times and getting it here getting it on laptops or getting it on ipads. and that's why people like bill simmons they're calling a
coward. he's another guy, coward is another guy who wherever he goes he's going to have a small -- now here's the irony. he's going to have a smaller audience probably wherever he goes, bill simmons, but he's going to make money money. he's going to have more intense followers and he's going to create his own fiefdom. his own world. that will happen to colin coward and that's the new media landscape. >> it will be fascinating to see two of the brands he creates at espn. whether espn says oh those will go on without him. we'll see. >> one of the two will go on. >> well sure. >> there's no doubt 30 for 30 will go on. grandland, not so sure. >> the question is if he's -- why would you let him go if you're generating -- >> because the nfl -- the goodell thing, he paid $15 billion for the nfl. suddenly -- that's the whole issue. >> it's a bigger brand. >> yeah. it's a bigger brand and you --
if you have to choose between being a new media company and a corporate pig, if the nfl is involved you go we'll take corporate pig right now. >> does he try to pursue the glenn beck model for the lack of a better way of thinking about it. >> you look at glenn beck glenn beck is -- i don't know the latest, but i think he's on cablevision and he's making a lot of money just with his subscriber fees just being a stand alone guy. you know it's so funny, colin coward actually had actually e-mailed joey a couple weeks ago and he said you know here's the future. less viewers traditionally on tv but more power, more money more autonomy. it's the new world. the new media landscape. mika and i were sitting there talking.
and i said six months ago, you know there's something in newspapers about, you know, traditional ratings. they're still trying to judge things by traditional ratings and it's -- everybody's scattering. i said to mika i get the feel ing that younger viewers, just by people coming up they come up -- hey, i saw your clip on the huffington post or hey i saw your clip here or hey i saw your clip there. younger viewers are just scattering. i saw this statistic when we were talking about it a couple weeks ago where i had this intuitive feeling based on what people were saying when they were coming up to me that younger viewers are starting to scatter. i read something on marble that was linked to a media deal that over the last six months something around this 11 or 12% -- there's been a 12% drop
watching televisions something 18 to 30. we here in the age -- we are in this world where the recording industry was in 1998. without a napster. so that's -- the question is does the traditional record company survive? no, the traditional record company doesn't survive. but are there other ways for bands in brooklyn to record at home market on the internet and create a massive following? yes, there is that is the future and you have to be able to carry it off like bill simmons was smart enough to carry it off. >> and he can and he's built his brand for 20 years. he cashes in on the equity he's build and i promise you people in silicon valley will line up to bankroll what to do next. >> let's read a couple excerpts. this is over the weekend actually chris ilizza had a great column on friday also
"vanity fair" did as well. willie, why don't you read this. >> he writes "the bigger simmons got, the more he posed a problem and in some real way a threat to espn. people were thinking of espn and simmons on? s nowly and whilest opinion loved what simmons brought them a younger internet savvy audience they could not or would not let their brand bedefined as edgy. the journalist as brand phenomenon remains a new one on the media landscape and like all new things it seemed to be nothing but good at the start time tends to reveal as less-than-perfect. simmons is the latest example of a brand whose success was built on traits that ultimately became threatening to the corporate brand for which he worked and this in a separate piece is what "vanity fair" rights about simmons. "it could be said that bristol" the town in connecticut where espn is based "forgot a cardinal rule itself. in an era where fans can get not just scores but highlights and a ton more on their smart phones original content is the way to
hold on to an audience in front of big 99 inch tvs. >> that's the key right there, isn't it mark halprin. that's the key that you can get scores anywhere. you can get news anywhere. people go what news shows do you watch after you're off the air. i look at my news feed on twitter because i'm running a million miles an hour. we're working. i'm running to pick up kids i'm running here and there. i don't have a chance to sit down in front of the tv until it's time to go to bed at night. but throughout the day i'm looking at my twitter news feed and i mean -- so if i'm turning on tv i better get more than somebody going "and in moscow today --" you know? >> the exception to relying on the smart phone is great individual human brands like bill simmons. that's why it's so valuable because people will tune in to see him and will make it appointment viewing. >> difference i would say between news and sports is that
espn has things people will tune into. >> because they have events. >> you'll watch college football and the nfl and the eventsen that network and i think that's what they bet on. people will still come to us and maybe we can do that without bill simmons. >> exactly. because they have the big events. and they still have the highlights and everything. i mean here -- on the news side of it you have the big events and then sort of our only version of the big sports events when it's political season and then everybody starts sort of flood ing flooding. >> or big breaking news. >> right. >> still ahead on "morning joe," what's driving the day on wall street? sara eisen has business before the bell. plus erica kinsman accuses highsman winner jameis winston of rain. he accuses her of mounting a media circus based on greed. jessica luther has new reporting on the duelling lawsuits just ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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another round of severe weather is hammering the nation's mid-section. torrential rain flooding and tornados wreaking havoc all weekend. more than 100 people were inside this iowa school when the roof came flying off the building late sunday afternoon. everyone did make it out safely. can you believe that? in south dakota nine people were injured and about two dozen buildings destroyed after a tornado ripped through the small town of dell monthmont. and flash flooding led to dramatic rescues in texas. the national guard airlifted motorists to safety. others rescued from their front
doors and some from roof tops. this scene in colorado. this twister appearing somewhere over a rainbow. let's go to bill karins on that. that's incredible. >> you know what would make that better? a double rainbow! >> or munchkins. >> bill karins has more because this weather suspect over apparently, bill? >> one more dangerous day. we had 79 tornados reported this weekend alone. we had 157 in the last week so we've made up for what was a very slow severe weather season and the pictures keep coming in. thousands of tornado chasers were out there in the heartland this weekend. unfortunately, last night right about 10:00 p.m. a very strong storm went through the little town of van, texas. there's about 2600 resident just north of i-20 about two hours outside of dallas to the east side of dallas and 30% of that town was hit. 26 injuries reported just from last night and i'm sure they're still going door to door trying to make sure everyone's safe. so here's the current scene.
we're looking better out there right now. the tornado watch was dropped throughout areas of arkansas still severe thunderstorm watch in southern texas, maybe large hail around san antonio and austin. that will be the worst of it. the heavy rains, possibly flash flooding, watch out memphis to greenville. as we go throughout the rest of the day, it's still snowing in north dakota and south dakota which is ridiculous. it snowed a foot in areas of rapid city. here's the bottom line for today. a few tornados 57 million people at risk and the worst appears to be northern ohio and southern michigan. that's the best chance of tornados today. >> bill, thank you very much. let's go to politics now. new polling out of new hampshire is highlighting the tale of two parties in the early stages of the race to 2016. this poll from bloomberg politics has nine republicans within eight percentage points of the lead. >> so look at this quickly and let's dissect these. a couple of big movers here. the both from florida. one is marco rubio who jumps,
mark halperin, the other, jeb bush who drops five points. jeb may be collecting a zillion dollars right now but you look at the latest iowa poll where he's at 5% and his loss of 5% here, man, it ees's i don't know. i don't know what you do when you go to donors and say "give us more money. we're dropping in the polls but we're raising a lot of money. requests. >> there's not a single state out there where right now he'd win the primary or caucus. he has a lot of work to do. his campaign knows that. but he'll have to do it himself. people say so and so has to win new hampshire, so and so has to win iowa. this race with so many people bunched up it may not be that way but it's still the case that jeb bush will have to do well in new hampshire. >> and the problem is, let's put the numbers back up again. the problem is what happened to hillary clinton back in 2008. you end up in third in iowa and then you don't win new
hampshire. if you're rand paul or scott walker or marco rubio or donald trump or chris christie or the ted cruz you're fine. if you're jeb bush you're out. that's one of the problem, harold ford, with being a front-runner. rand paul sitting at 12 scott walker 12, marco 11. donald trump mocked ridiculed, abused and within the margin of error of jeb bush. chris christie 7 ted cruz 6, carly fiorina 3. what do you think? >> i think they stay like this for a long time until they have their first debate or two and then we'll see a little different situation. i disagree slightly about jeb bush. if he raises all the money they say he's going to raise, he can stay within the top three in the first three oar four states and hang around. people forget clinton in '92. he didn't win his first win until he got to georgia. that was a different setup the way they did those thing backs then but he hung around. jeb bush can hang around.
if he finishes fifth and fifth, you're right. but in the top three i think he finds himself -- >> i don't know. >> you have to think about who the top ones are. let's say the top ones are rand paul and donald trump. >> what if scott walker is up -- scott walker will be there or marco rubio will be there. >> and they're the big threats. >> if he gets beat by rubio two times, that's a different story. but if he gets beat by a different group, i agree with you in that regard. >> the story is the fact that you get the leader at 12% in a state that's very politically attuned. we've never seen this before in the modern history of either party where no one is above 15%. it's lerl ees's early on one level but people are paying attention. >> the problem also willie is with jeb you can't go you know what if he gets to those debates he's a great debater. he's not. he's not a good debater. he's good on his feet question and answer. he's not a good debater. he's not good reading the
prepared speech. he's really bright, he's the smartest guy i've ever met in politics. he really is day in and day out the smartest guy, people would go to his staff meetings, all of his cabinet in florida and they were always scared not because he was mean but because they always knew he was going to be smarter than them whatever they brought up. but that doesn't translate on the campaign trail. that doesn't translate in five-second quotes or debates. >> it's funny. as much as we think we know about jeb bush, a national audience hasn't seen him on the stage. maybe i'm wrong but it could point to one big interview with jeb bush. they'd say -- you know, the other thing to remember about the new hampshire primary in iowa, what decides it historically? who has the most money, the best negative ads and who can withstand negative ads. and some of the people ahead of jeb bush have yet to face millions of dollars in negative ads. >> if that's the standard jeb will be fine. >> historically if you've look at who's won, in the end
that's -- the winner tends to be the person who does the best in those three categories. >> because you know people can crow all they want to about jeb, jeb's a liberal, no jeb was massacred when he first started running for governor by newspapers for being a right wing nut he's a libertarian, conservative small government guy. he has an extraordinary record over eight years. he does. now you can talk about common core you can talk about immigration. i think his bigger problem has been this attitude. he's been seen by a lot of the base as being condescending and he has to get past that. but if this guy lives or dies by his eight-year record in florida, he lives. up next yahoo!'s bianna