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american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. >> understanding the enemy. >> all right. and good morning to you. thanks for getting up with us this sunday morning. a lot to get to in the show including that daring u.s. special forces raid into isis territory. the wife of a senior isis now in custody. what officials may be hoping to learn from her in just a moment. tornado alley hit with more than a dozen twisters overnight. severe hail and flooding now
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pummelling the midwest. those pictures in a live report coming up. also jeb bush putting to rest any question of how he will campaign in the state of iowa. some big news from him shortly. and based on what they know now would they or wouldn't they? how the invasion of iraq is being relitigated more than a dozen years after the invasion on the campaign trail. plus the eyewitness account from on board a train. we begin with that raid inside syria by u.s. special forces. 24 hours after learning about it for the first time. we are getting a lot more information about how and why the u.s. military tried to capture an isis operative in eastern syria and why killing him was not their first choice.
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u.s. military officials telling nbc news that isis senior commander was the emire of oil and gass for isis but that does not mean that he was high up in the isis hierarchy. one analyst comparing him to al capone's accountant. but with his hands in so many of isis's major operations, he apparently was well connected within the organization, making him someone who could potentially explain how isis works. funding, military, top brass. this is why the plan was for u.s. forces to take him alive if at all possible. not because of who he is but because of what he might know.
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but in the intense and prolonged battle that ensued when the nighttime raid took place, he was killed which leaves his wife who was captured as a possible source of information instead. special forces taking her with them alive back to iraq when they left syria after that raid. defense department officials say the troops were able to get communications equipment. and the real surprise is maybe this. for all of the chaos for all of the deaths on the isis side not a single u.s. troop was killed or wounded in the operation. mikey k. is a retired military officer over at the big board right now where he will show us exactly how special forces execute an operation as risky as
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this. tell us how it's done. >> more on that updated news. there are reports coming out overnight. has been a very harshly contested area between isis and syrian regime militants. there's an air base here which allows him to assert role. if he loses that that is bad news. reports are coming out that there was another target and the supervisor for foreign hostages is the man that's possible for basically buying foreign hostages from groups and then giving them to isis for the prop began ta heading that we have been seeing. where they have just taken control and here in syria where there are ancient ruins that
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isis are about to target and no doubt blow up. next slide, please. predators. we have all seen these on the news and they all have a clan december tine reputation. allows them to listen in to phone calls. they also have a camera at the front for imagery to allow them to sit high above and suck up this intelligence. and then finally the one that we don't talk about too often is human intelligence. developing relationships inside the networks. really difficult because isis have it locked down. what do special forces do? next slide please. the role is very niche.
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the sniping role absolutely key. they look to isolate it. the lines of communication. what we're doing and i have through my sources i know that the guys have been working in syria and iraq for over a year. these guys have been taking off check points. joint terminal attack controllers, the value of coalition air strikes has been absolutely incredible over the last six months but you need, we need capability, direct. and finally we have the strike operations. we have missions that go out at night, low level and they look to apprehend not to kill someone. what they want to do is apprehend them, back them, tag them and take them in for tqing tactical questioning. >> thanks for that. really appreciate that.
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it looks like this was basically an intelligence operation. what is the benefit long term for the united states here? >> i think michael kay gave a terrific run down there. these are joint operations, air force, army navy intelligence, general stanley mcchrystal put this tool together during the eight nine years he was in command. it's a phenomenal ability to intervene, seize people, destroy asset assets. i think the primary value of it was they came out with laptops,
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telephones files that will give them a much better picture of inside isis. and in addition i think they probably reminded isis look we will go after you in libya and yemen and syria and iraq, wherever you are on the face of the earth. so i would still chalk this down as a big win, a major contribution. not just the fact they nailed this guy, but the signal that they are not -- they have no safe haven. >> and steve, what do we really know about this guy? we're getting the report that he was mid level. obviously he was privy to a lot of information inside isis. we haven't seen a picture and don't know what his actual name maybe is. how much do we actually know? >> i think we're learning as bits of information come out. i was intrigued by mikey kay's
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comment that there was another target. appears to have been someone who was running. i have been amused saying hey we weren't told that this guy was important or on the map. i think this is an incredibly important moment showing that the intelligence and work of the u.s. treasury department on financial intelligence to david cohen is getting some muscle and is importing. this would have been a hard hit. one of our highest priorities beyond just killing these guys has been trying to shut down their money flow. the president indicated that last year that we were trying to cut down the oil smuggling. an tig wities not only destroying them but selling
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them. it's a smart hit of someone who sits within that network of financing. i find it interesting example of the treasury department being involved. >> we hear this all the time. killings or captures of isis or any other terrorist group. they will be replaced right away. the position is actually something that isis can replace and fill pretty quickly. what do you say to that? >> i think that maybe true but the person who comes with all of those networks who know ss.
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>> i agree that it is in the computer records and tapes and file s files so to call this a mid level hit is a real mistake. >> from your standpoint if this guy had been taken alive yesterday do you think we would be hearing about it today? >> it is a signal that they are willing to take these kind of risks. just a notion that he is only al capone's accountant but that's
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how we arrested half of these guys is through irs tax evasion. who are the middle men. and others who will be trying to roll up these networks in the coming weeks. >> thanks. >> still ahead, a landmark you may remember from a hit tom hanks movie, closing its doors. we will give you details on this. next a ten minute time limit on speeches at the latest call out in iowa. one candidate getting their mike cut to a yearing crowd. we will show you what happened right after this. stay with us. >> we won 11 state last year came in second place and i would hope that iowa would keep up a great tradition for our country. thank you and god bless. og food have? 18%?
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>> the race for president took center stage last night in the first in the nation caucus state of iowa. making this the latest cattle call for republican hopefuls but it featured an unusual twist. because there were so many candidates they were each held to a strict 10 minute time limit. many of the candidates using their speeches to hammer president obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton on foreign policy. take a listen. >> for the same question that was asked of republicans needs to be asked of hillary clinton. someone needs to ask hillary
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clinton if she ever takes any questions, someone needs to ask hillary clinton was it a good idea to topple libya. >> if i'm president of the united states and you're thinking about joining al qaeda or isil anybody thinking about that? i'm not going to call a judge, i will call a drone and we will kill you. >> country after country our relationships are worse. name a country where the relationship is better than the day that barack obama came into office? iran. cuba. i rest my case. >> i have got news for you. once and for all we need a commander in chief who calls it what it is and that is radical islamic terrorism as a threat to us all and we need to act on it. >>
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would a senior contributor to the daily signal. i mean, going right for that, it is interesting. the foreign policy theme picking up at this event last night and you start to see you're looking at these things like it's been standard for six years. but they're pivoting now or starting to pivot towards hillary clinton being probably their opponent in 2016 in how are they going to go after her. >> what happens if this goes through and everything is ar moaneous? they are trying to say she is the face of the barack obama foreign policy. rubio is out there making this his big issue, but everyone
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points to we are less liked abroad than when he came into office. >> if you look at the polls the base the republican party most cares about right now is foreign policy and i think that's who these candidates are currently speaking to. and frankly what democrats think. >> you are saying it's the top concern right now. is that a change from a year ago? because is it because of isis and the bhedings? >> i think it's a change over the past six to seven years.
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there's been a real change of what is america's role in the world? what should our leadership be? what should our strength be? there is a real concern over conservatives. >> is that something for her to worry about? >> it's absolutely the play book. to me secretary clinton the inheriter of the initiatives. it's a good play book. the problem, i don't agree that the republicans may be concerned about isis, but the american people are still not as interventionist as they were prior to the iraq war. i think this is a very dangerous distinction that republicans will figure out. how do you bash the obama
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foreign policy in secretary clinton without seeming like you will be running with a bumper sticker i will kill everybody as senator graham committed to. >> this is where rand paul has an opening. saying i will rebuild roads in america spending all the money that we used to spend abroad. i want to totally invest in the united states. obama care is not sgs that they could talk about. there is less to point to now until a supreme court makes it. >> i think obama care may come back. the world is not a safer place today. we can debate about whether people want to go to war. but i don't feel like americans are safer today. >> what is the message that's going to come from the republicans on this thing?
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if it's lindsay graham saying we're going to kill more people with drones? what is the message? if the country is still really hesitant to get involved, then proactively, what is it that we should be doing? >> america needs to be respected and feared. it's not about being liked. we will have friends around the world. i think jeb bush made an interesting comment last night. where are we better liked in the world. iran and cuba? that's a good talking point. most people understand when it comes to foreign policy it's important to your allies and that our enemies respect you and they should fear what you might do. that doesn't mean you have to go war. >> so what is the response then?
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that question? >> well osama bin laden, right? you know, this is very clear example. if we had listened to the interventionist in the republican party we would have gone into syria already. none of our allies are doing this. if we listen to the interventionists, we would have gone into libya. obviously waiting was a better strategy. the iran talks are five party talks. so this notion is sort of shattering a reputation globally, i think there is no evidence of that. congress is really going to be put on the spot.
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sit in the senate right now and have a lot of influence when it comes to having that conversation and democrats are not all that thrilled about it either. >> the iran deal we only have a frame work right now if there is going be a final deal, we will see what the response is. still ahead, putin's demonstration of his athletic ability. it involves hockey. and jeb bush announcing he is skipping the iowa straw poll. he made news last night. we will show you that right after this.
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>> i'ml'0ere in iowa speaking about iowa. if i go beyond the consideration, i'm going to campaign hard here. i just don't do straw polls. >> jeb bush making news in iowa saying that he will make a full-fledged effort to win the iowa caucuses if he runs for
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president. this comes after bush announced earlier in the week and reiterated that he is not going to contest the iowa straw poll that is scheduled for august. that set off a wave of speculation. bush made it sound like he will only be skipping the straw poll not the caucuses. he has been covering bush in the gop field. he joins us. let's set this up first with we talk about the news out of iowa with jeb bush. the speculation that he is doing so terribly there that he might have to skip that. it was a bad week because of the question of iraq and the question that was initially posed to him knowing what you now know, would you have gone in like your brother came in? >> knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the
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invasion? >> i would have. >> in 20/20 hindsight you would make a different decision? >> i don't know what that decision would have been but the simple fact is that mistakes were made. >> i respect the question. i think it does a disservice for a lot of people that sacrificed a lot. >> i would not have gone into iraq. >> so that's where he is landing. he is now saying i would not have engaged knowing what i know now. when this campaign began, he's going to blow away the field. he's sitting here in seventh place in iowa and having the week he just had. >> this was the worst week he has had yet. there's no doubt. his team remains pretty confident that he will rebound from this.
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it doesn't seem like he is ready for the question. >> here's the thing. he has said since the start i want to campaign joyfully and i want to do this differently and the idea is i'm going to go out and engage voters taking six to 11 questions, giving them expansive non-sound biting answers. he says a lot. i think the hope of doing that just ran into the reality of modern day campaigning that that's not how it's going to work. this desire to make sure to fight hillary clinton. >> does he endanger? i look at this now.
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>> first of all you are right. >> there are 500 and what? 40 days left in this campaign? there will be bad weeks for all candidates. it was bad but he will come back. most americans are not following this near as closely as we are. frankly not even a lot of republican voters are, the very people they are trying to get. i don't think this is going be a coronation for jeb bush the way it was for his brother back in 2000. i think that's very clear but i don't think this week puts him out of it. >> that's a good point. there's a small pack of us who have been following him across the country. this fox news interview was one of his most high profile interviews yet.
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he fumbled on an answer he has given before. he has answered enabling. he's the question. >> perhaps he isn't ready for this.op >> the republicans don't want to refight iraq either. when you get to a debate stage this is now out of the way. and then they can move on to the
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issues where they think they can pinpoint him and say you're too liberal. >> bushes woes come as a one time close ally seems to be gaining traction. rubio has been moving up in the polls with a heavy emphasis on a hawkish foreign policy something he highlighted in a speech this week. tim wrote as compared to jeb bush who fumbled and stumbled through his first national security address, marco rubio spoke to the soul of the hawkish neoconservatives. republicans seem to be looking at jeb bush, the establishment class, this is the most electable guy. if you want to beat hillary clinton, you have got go with jeb bush. i have been starting to look at this and saying i'm not sure he is. maybe somebody like rubio has potential for more appeal.
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>> just as our first conversation was exposed the republican elite is incredibly hawkish and interventionist. with this speech you know, senator rubio is talking about how not going to syria was a bad idea and that's not something that the american people will buy in the general election. it's very important for new presidents to bring the establishment, the foreign policy establishment of the previous president from their party along. none of the major figures in the bush foreign policy regime have reputeuated the actions in the iraq war so how can we expect candidate bush to do that? you don't think that condoleezza rice will be involved? absolutely will be. >> we know one guy from bush world who won't be and that's jim baker. he has distanced himself. >> that's not the first or the second. the split for the bush world is
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you know the father would go into iraq and the son did go. >> there are low expeck tagkctations for him, and then he is also the guy who looks more grown up than rand paul and ted cruz. he is on the foreign relations committee. he's on the intelligence committee. he has traveled to a bunch of countries and you have these governors who don't have foreign policy experience. he can say i will sit here and i will not be the guy that everybody is attacking yet because i'm not the front runner. he has a lot of options and he took the risk of giving up his son at sea. >> my thanks to ed for stopping by. still ahead how the war in iraq is going reshape the race for the republican presidential nomination and will it. and the question california congress woman was asked just before she picked up her pace and ran away from the reporter.
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>> all right. there's a lot going on this morning. let's get caught up with other headlines making news. news involving, this is something. loretta sanchez, democratic congress woman, a whole thing last week about she seemed to announce her candidacy for the u.s. senate and then she said wait, i didn't necessarily mean that. then she was meeting with a group in anaheim yesterday. she appeared to make a whooping gesture when talking about meeting with a group of indian americans. this is what happened. >> i'm going to his office thinking that i'm going to meet with with. [ noise ] >> did she run away from a reporter, here we go. this is a reporter saying what did you mean? this is her response to that. she is saying i have got to get
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inside and do something besides answer this question. >> it's not good. especially this is a state that will not be contested in the general election. they have the top two elections in california. she is possibly going to be able to be one of the top two finisher s finishers for the general election.
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>> sanchez won her seat beating this guy. who was known for making the most inflammatory comments about all sorts of different groups of people and that was how she got her seat and she ends up being the one who does this. >> california is the most diverse state. really value diversity. that's coming from their politicians. this was a horrible week. >> we will see if she starts to answer questions. let's move on to a story involving vladimir putin. he scores eight goals in an exhibition hockey game. i'm sure the goalie was trying extra hard to stop the shots
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from the supreme leader of russia. so i mean, i don't know. is there a theme there? mitt romney boxing evander holy holyfield. >> he would be better off if we could just get him to play hockey for the most part. >> well, if putin was playing basketball he probably would have broken wilt chamberlain's record. this is sad news. f.a.o.schwarz closing its flagship store. why do you know the store? because of this. tom hanks in the 1988 movie "big." they danced on that keyboard on
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the floor. and now sadly f.a.o. schwarz. >> it's been replaced by the american girl phenomenon. you go to this store and it's three floors and you can get your doll's hair made up. it's a very strange thing. >> "big" was one of my all time favorite movies. >> as much as i love the keyboard i'm guilty of shopping on amazon for my own kids' toys. not having an internet strategy. >> it was that keyboard. they had one in boston. >> we need to get one here. >> i think you're right. the american girl, they were experience stores. you go and pay for the experience. you pay to have tea. >> and get your hair done. >> so they should have paid for the experience of dancing on the keyboard.
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damage that yesterday's tornados caused. stay tuned for that. and amtrak says it's not uncommon for trains to be struck by people throwing rocks. what that means, next.
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>> going to be a few more days before amtrak resumes its service between philadelphia and d.c. it will take time to repair damages done to the track. as the fbi and ntsb now look into reports the train might have been hit by something in its windshield shortly before it derailed. >> and there was a -- the window had shattered and apparently there was a rock thrown at our
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car. >> that man is the third person to report something hitting a train in that area. the assistant conductor told investigators she heard something had hit the locomotive. an engineer on a local train also claims his train was hit. >> wow. reports that three different reports of this. what's the latest you can tell us? >> good morning, steve. the fbi now involved in investigating is there a pattern here? is there a link between three separate incident ss. you had the train. you have the septa train, a local metro train on a parallel track and at 9:21, amtrack 188 hit by what officials are calling a fist sized projectile
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through the front windshield. this could lead to a criminal investigation. we just don't know yet. engineers call this getting rocked and it's fairly common around this part of the northeast corridor. they protect themselveses with grills on the front windshields. listen to jim hall. >> unfortunately, we're familiar from previous accident investigation, various types of potential sabotage of various types of transportation activity. >> now whether or not this led to the train going 106 miles an hour. amtrak has been ordered to install automatic control to alert the conductor to slow down. >> want to turn now to john, a
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former ntsb board member and he joins us. john when this first happened a few day ace go all of the attention was over the engineer now we have reports of three objects hitting three trains in a 16 minute span in that area. does this look different to you now than it did a few days ago? >> the throwing rocks and objects at the train is nothing new. i was on a train once when they were throwing rocks. it didn't break the windshield but it did hit the cab area of the train. it's not uncommon. it's been going on for many, many years. i'm talking, my experience was maybe more than 5 years ago. >> so it takes something you're saying it's so common it would take a particularly large on jek or a freakish circumstance for it to actually affect the travel of the train?
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>> that's correct. what we know so far about this instance is i cannot connect the dots. >> this particular area of the reporting i'm seeing adam was telling you about this. getting rocked is an expression. it's so common there is an expression for this thing happening. the fences near the railroad are easy to get scale. what kinds of precautions are taken because of that? >> they certainly tried to keep -- it's usually kids. but it's a daunting task. and you know young people when you tell them they can't do something, that's like a challenge to do it. the railroads have a tiger by the tail trying to control this in an urban area. you know in a rural area it's a little easier because there's
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not so many people even though the opportunities may be greater. railroad police are going have their hands full trying to keep the younger people away from the track area. >> what is the key to figuring this out? to figuring out what actually happened? >> the ntsb is going to continue with their process looking for physical evidence to connect the dots on what caused this derailment. we know speed played a factor. could damage have affected the speed of the train? where's the controller? was it in an area that an object could have ben traited? is there any physical evidence to support that? the fbi will be doing their piece the opportunities have occurred. people have thrown on jeks at the train. they will be parallel investigations.
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>> relitigating iraq. >> all right. thanks for staying with us this sunday morning. another tense night across tornado alley. last night storms touching down
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in many parts of the midwest. debris flying through the air. a report from the ground in oklahoma about what residents are waking up to out there today. that is ahead this hour. also ahead in the show he was a weather man in indiana david letterman once described hail the size of canned hams. he will be leaving after three more shows this week. that's coming up and how the mood has shifted. republican support for the war in iraq what will bill clinton's role be as his wife runs for president again? was it a mistake for the u.s. to invade iraq back in 2003? it's one that megan kelly of fok news finally asked him at the
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start of this week. >> knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have. >> in 20/20 hindsight you would make a different decision? >> i don't know what that decision would have been. the simple fact is mistakes were made. >> i think it does a disservice for a lot of people that sacrificed a lot. >> i would not have engaged. i would not have gone into iraq. >> bush eventually conceding that know knowing what we know now, he wouldn't have gone into iraq like his brother did. but his waffling led to terrible headlines for bush all week for questions about his judgment, independence from his brother basic skills as a candidate.
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until relatively recently republican support was a given. 76% of republicans were saying they believe the iraq war will be judged a failure by history. when you think about that, that number is stunning. it wasn't that long ago that the republican party eagerly wrapped itself in the iraq war in order to win a national election. >> we gave him a final chance and he again refuse edd a decision that no president could ask for
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but must be prepared to make. do i forget the les sonses. i will defend america every time. >> that was at the republican convention in 2004. george w. bush winning reelection. i wanted to play that bush clip from 2004. the idea that no it was not a mistake to go into iraq. he waged that campaign and sounded that message.
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i have been curious watching this whole thing play out. now says, you know what? it was a mistake. how did that happen? i think this is a stunning reversal in terms of what the candidates are saying. i think that i think jeb bush expedited this by being in this race. i think it's remarkable. the consensus opinion is that iraq knowing what we know now, you have to add that caveat in was a mistake.
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it's amazing how quickly this turned around. >> i'm trying to figure out what it was that triggered it. the sord of thing i watched this week jeb bush struggle to answer. when he finally said yeah it was a mistake, chris christie making a mistake and trying to position himself on the right jumped in to say no this was a mistake. and i'm trying to imagine, that's how a republican would have been treated saying something like chris christie said a couple of weeks ago. do you guys have a sense what changed? >> as time goes on and people become war weary. this is called a long war. the fact is it doesn't really end. the reality is we're still over there. we're probably going to be over there for some time and most americans don't -- so i think there is a tug of war with the
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american people but i will say this is a question that obviously the candidates are going have to answer. but i think most americans will eventually come to place. but i want to know what will you do now about iran? people want to know what is the next foreign policy vision? >> in addition to that i would say the media, this has been a problem. if he agrees with water boarding or some of the things that happened during his brother's presidency like every republican candidate should be asked. that's a misstep because all the other candidates react and make it about brother versus brother instead of what is the party platform on these issues? >> that's really the rub for all of these candidates. it's easy to look at iraq with
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all of the casualties, is american american soldiers, saying the cost was too high. the regime change. and all of these candidates are still committed to the use of american force to shift regimes in ways that i think would make the american people very uncomfortable if you were to push on this. >> that's an interesting question to bring you back into this. >> the position becomes yes it was a mistake to go into iraq. is it a narrow read being made that there were no weapons of mass destruction and intelligence was bad. but in another circumstance it would be perfectly acceptable. is it is a narrow argument or is it a broudader re-examination of
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foreign policy? >> i think it's easy now to distance yourself from iraq and to abandon it. we don't need to re-elect george w. bush. you would do that if you were a partisan republican. it's a drag to do that. part of this is opportunism. it's hard to say if this is a right or left position at this point. but look, i think that the hopeful thing is that republicans learn in the lesson and i do not think the lesson is to become dovish. i do not think the lesson is to retreat inward and become isolationists. but i think the lesson is to be careful about several things one of which being intelligence.
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they say it's a slam dunk. you should be kept call if you're commander in chief. there is a big concern about nation building and spreading democracy. ted cruz has staked out a reaganesque position here. don't think you can topple a regime and turn them into good little democrats overnight. it took them hundreds of years to maintain the institutions of western civilization and zem cy democracy. and all of the sudden, export democracy. >> i want to play this too. we had the clips from the cattle call out in iowa and there is one republican candidate out there at least who wants to defend george w. bush. it's not jeb bush but lindsay
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graham. >> president bush w. had the same information everybody else in the world did and made the best decision he could. and if anybody thinks saddam hussein was a good guy, then you need to go back in time and check out the facts. >> so there it is. there's the flip side of it you will hear from lindsay graham. they say look there may not have been wmd but there was a tyrant, a butcher. so something positive came of it. >> and you will continue to hear that line from him. no doubt he and mccain are very closely aligned on these. when pambarack obama was considering military force? the phone lines on capital hill melted down because people in republican and democratic districts were saying please don't do this. we are war we're ree. i think both parties are really
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aware of this and they are looking at all of the same polls we are. and people are afraid when they see somebody beheaded on television. >> yes, while you may have people distances themselves right now from decisions made in 2003 and 2004, if you listen to the speech, he did not sound like a dove. even though he said knowing what we know now i would not have made the decision. i think you will have republicans come out and say we need a strong american. so that people are so concerned about terrorism knowing that we should stand up if you have to. i think those will be the different kind of basically statements you hear a lot of the candidates making. >> i don't really think that's the debate. the debate is what type of
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institutions do you use to manifest that fear? the debate is one that believes that regime change is a philosophy for bringing about a safer america and a sort of democratic foreign policy elite that believes that we have got to sort of use these new technologies and really limit sort of the engagement of our soldiers. the question is did going into iraq create isis? did it do anything to prevent the creation of isis? >> it's not about strength but the sort of technologies and the
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way that we engage. >> let me try to put a code on this about jeb bush weighing in on this issue this week and ultimately distancing himself. you have an article does jeb bush even want to be u.s. president. just explain that if you would for a minute. a lot of people think that doomed him against jimmy carter. he was doing it because his two brothers were not around to run
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for president to sort of avenge them. maybe as part of a kennedy dynasty he was expected to run for president whether he really wanted to or not. and i wonder about jeb bush. does he really want to be president? when you look at his body language and his inability to answer the question and his insince tense that he will not pander. you know he's not going tell people what they want to hear, i wonder, you know you have to have the fire in the belly. the ambition to really want to be president. i any it raises a fair question. we will see. this is a theory. they can prove me wrong. jeb bush can get his act together. people don't like this column
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obviously. >> everybody made the jokes but there was like a pop ewe list spunk to george w. bush and i don't see wit jeb bush. >> w. is the political genius of retail politics for the bush family. when i look at jeb, i see bush 41. someone who was not very good at retail politics. somewhat uncomfortable engaging the pop ewe list elements. i'm not sure this is about anything other than he needs to get more up to speed on how to do retail politics. >> yeah. >> that's the thing. is it just a question of do you have it or not. i appreciate your participation this morning. and wi have new detail ss killed
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during an overnight raid in syria. chris tin welker joins us now with more. >> she is talking to intelligence officials. that is a big development. first, the broader context is being hailed as a major victory in the fikt against isis. and they flew into an isis stronghold in eastern syria. the target of the mission as you say was -- he is not really known to most americans. u.s. officials say he was a top isis operator. he managed the oil and gas income. that's really a big deal.
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he was killed along with 12 other isis fighters. they did take his wife into custody. she is apparently talking to her interrogators and that is signature. it could lead to the where abouts of more isis fighters. this mission was incredibly risky. that can't be underscored enough. they would have almost certainly been tortured and killed as we have seen with other isis fighters. they are hoping this yields more intelligence. this past week the key city fell and that underscores the fact that this will like will be a
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protracted fight. thank you. >> amazing all of the americans got out safe and sound. >> incredible. >> appreciate that information. also developing this morning we have learned the names of the six u.s. marines who were killed when their helicopter crashed in nepal last week. they were delivered aid to an area hit hard by last month's earthquake. investigators still aren't sure what caused the crash. still ahead you may not see him on the campaign trail but you will still see plenty of bill clinton. is he going to be an asset or a liability for his wife? and we will go to oklahoma to see some of the devastation h copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours.
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. >> this morning thousands of people in oklahoma are getting their first look at the devastation caused bay series of tornados that tore through the state yesterday and last night. john ying is in oklahoma city for us. john? >> good morning steve. tornado alley living up to its name again. at least 19 tornados reported overnight across the middle of the country from as far south as texas to minnesota. some of them captured on camera. in texas there was torrential downpours of hail flooding highways. no reports of fatalities so far. it's not over yet. tens of millions of people in
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the path of severe weather later today. steve? >> 19 tornados. that's crazy. my thank to john in oklahoma city for that. still ahead the u.s. special forces raid in eastern syria. it wastough mission involving hand to hand combat. how will bill clinton affect hillary clinton's campaign. stay with us.
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than $30 million in just the last 16 months $25 million of that from paid speeches. >> she's now running for president. will you continue to give speeches? >> oh yeah. we have got to pay bills. >> how much of an asset is the former president to his wife's presidential campaign? senior aides say he does not plan to do any formal campaign activities for his wife in 2015. bill clinton is one of the most gifted political communicators ever but he can also cause some real headaches for his wife. what is his role going to be this time around? bill clinton on the one hand
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it's a no-brainer. who doesn't want bill clinton helping them. but we saw in 2008 there were real problems. >> when he's on the defensive he's not always strong. he can do her some harm. but the fact remains that he's still globally popular. it's two for the price of one. you can have a rally in ohio and a fundraiser in florida and she can be raising money in california and do more in new york and you stop in iowa for a rally. they have a lot of able to do that. he was out there in very full force. he continues to just be a campaigner it might be okay. >> let's take you down a trip down memory lane here. these were some of the plobs that were caused by bill bill.
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>> it is wrong that senate obama got to go through 15 debates. give me a break. this whole thing is the biggest fairy tale i have ever seen. >> the biggest fairy tail i have ever seen. that line haunted him for years to come. i guess what it points to is bill clinton has incredible talent and communicates sunniness and warmth but it's easy to get under his skin. >> bill clinton is clearly the most gifted retail politician in the modern era. the retail is he's -- hillary has to run a more progressive left campaign because the democratic base is about income inequality, racial equality in response to the uprising in
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baltimore and ferguson. and many of bill clinton's policy legacies like the 1994 crime bill are very problematic for the message she wants to deliver. with creating a financial melt down in the first place by getting rid of others. if hillary is going have a chance she's going to have to distance herself. but that's the win. >> it's interesting. some of the democratic base is. but i do wonder where the whole country is. let's say we were to get a jeb bush versus hillary clinton match-up. >> pull out the old t-shirt and bumper stickers. >> think about that. they will each be compared.
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you never know what exactly his message is going to be. they know there's a risk for this. he can outshine her. bill clinton is very good on stage. he is very good in terms of waking up to the camera and wooing her. when they are next to her, he kind of sucks the oxygen out of the room. >> she made a comment where she said when she set out to run for the senate back in 2000 she went to bill and said all of these years not until now when i tried to do it on your own did i
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appreciate how good you were at this. >> think about the role he would play. he would go to speech after speech. she had a number of years working in the administration. she does not need him that much. i think it's less of an introduction and more likely be right there supporting her. republicans will have a field day with kmens like we have to pay our bills. if people feel like the clintons no longer identify with them that's going to be a problem. >> imagine if on top of saying he was friends with nascar
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owners if mitt romney said i need to pay my bills, highway would it have gone? >> it's worse. romney's plain was not income inequality. young voters minority voters. she is doing everything right. >> he said that. >> should bill clinton come out and say i'm not taking money for these speeches any more? >> he should. particularly in the wake of the equail scandal. this idea that the clintons are untrust worthy and that they are implicated in all of these smokey room sort of pay per play is really a problem. it will always be something that tags back. >> you can go back to what the restrictions they have placed on
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donations from foreign governments. if an entity says i'm not going to contribute and you just assume that influence is not going to carry over and let's say she's president for eight years there will be expectations. >> people don't buy it. number one rule of politics. people give money for a reason. up next snl says good-bye for the season with one last look at the 2016 campaign before it returns. we will show you that. stay with us. if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50 from infiniti. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk and text. plus 10 gigs of shareable data.
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to earn their vote. >> i think nothing because they said they don't like you and they just, um, never will. >> what a fun thing to hear for almost 20 years. ♪ it's summer, summertime ♪ >> those are our studio neighbors ending the 40th season of "saturday night live" with one more dig at the 2014 presidential race. much more from this this fall. let's take a look at some of the other headlines making news. letterman's last week. it is actually here. three more shows left for david letterman. tom hanks is going to be on. bill murray will be his final guest. he was his first guest. bob dylan apparently scheduled to appear on tuesday night's show.
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33 year ace go that was when he started late night here on nbc revolutionized the late night genre. i tell you what it's one of those shows. david letterman to me, if you ask me who my favorite late night host is i would say letterman. >> think about how the entire comedy landscape has been reshaped. colbert switching over, jon stewart retiring letterman saying farewell. >> the thing about letterman that i hope is appreciated by people. it's like he's the old guy. he's 67 years old and younger guys have come along and revolutionized what late night is. but so much of what they are doing, it's letterman. he was the guy who made late night a parody of television.
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>> and having such adoring fans. people would be lined up for hours to get tickets. he really was a phenomenon. it's the end of an era really. >> we will see how steven colbert does this fall. how about this? the bernie sanders bear. the vermont teddy bear company is coming out with a special edition bear for bernie sanders. you can order this for the very affordable price of $79.99. it is apparently it will talk. it is a passionate speaker that will tell you i am not a circus bear. i am not a dancing bear. i am not a toy bear. >> so the cranky bern any sanders.
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i'm excited to see this bear. >> this is his home state's economy. >> how many kids? >> it's going to be guys like me that will pass it around. >> yeah. i'm totally downstairs. >> 80 bucks. i have got get that. >> everybody in our show can put in five bucks each and order the bernie sanders bear. do you see the resemblance? they both have suits. this is about nfl ball handling football handling according to the associated press. no words on specifically how this will happen. he will hear that appeal from tom brady. this is not one of the
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department of obvious ones. >> i think for 07 million bucks to the commissioner hearing the appeal is a good thing right? i don't believe the hype. i think it's easier for everyone to catch a deflated football. >> you're playing into this. >> first of all, thank you. >> i am. i'm a boston guy. i don't like tom brady. i didn't think he was that great at michigan. i was proven wrong but i do think it's easier for everybody to catch a deflated football. >> you got me on my hobby horse. but you know who didn't catch it? the referees. the football is touched between every play by the side judge.
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>> but cheating is cheating. >> i know i have a very popular opinion with america. i am sure i will hear about it. we can get to one more headline here. claire mccaskill backtracking on comments she made suggesting that elizabeth warren is getting more attention than she deserves. she is confused over why she was getting this attention. we all seek attention.
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she is strong smart, and focused. if you are a democrat, if you have ambitions as a democrat, you don't want to be in a fight with elizabeth warren. >> you use her to prop yourself up sometimes. >> thanks to this morning's panel. appreciate you all being here. especially you. in the last segment. still ahead closer look at the deadly raid in syria. and next what happened at yesterday's preakness that also hapt happened in more than 40 years.
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preakness was run on a weapon track in so many years. affirmed was the last 3-year-old to complete that feat all the way back in 1978. 37 years ago. but keep this in mind. favorites go in and lose all the time. 14 horses have won the first two legs of the triple crown only to be denied in the third. that includes three of the past four years. keep that in mind as you place your bet in a few weeks. up next, a rare ground attack deep inside syria. inside isis territory. how the military executes an operation inside hostile areases.
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the u.s. military yesterday carrying out a rare ground attack inside isis controlled territory in syria on their way to killing a senior commander
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for oil and gas operations that helped fund the organization. government officials described scenes of hand-to-hand copmbat against a dozen isis fighterers yesterday remarkably leaving no u.s. soldiers killed or injured. how is a raid like this carries out? colonel jack jay cobs joins us to take us through the mechanics of this. thanks for taking a few minutes. start by setting the scene. tell us where this is playing out this is in the east not damascus which i can't point to because i don't have orangutan arms. who did it? delta force. >> the chuck norris movie but delta force is a real thing. >> it is. for a long time people said delta force and the defense department said there is to such thing. then they said there is. army guys dedicated to doing this stuff. the vehicles they use, assault
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element in assault helicopters. shown here in blackhawks. some povment and probably the follow up and security element in ospreys, vertical take off and landing go fast carry a lot of stuff. like any military on oh radiation you start at the end and work backwards. here's the objective. and here is where you start. how are you going to get there? make sure you do a vertical envelopment. land on the objective. >> a vertical envelopment? >> land right on top. so you don't lose the element of surprise. and go at night. we have the benefit of having night vision scopes and so forth. so we have the advantage over the enemy especially in the middle of the night. you are not going to fly from here to there easily. if something happens you're in a pickle. so you have effectively a forward operating base. you stage the troops there probably using ospreys.
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refuel if necessary. then make the assault with the assault element. meanwhile ospreys and helicopters rerean here with a follow up element. it always takes more people than you think. if it takes a couple dozen here, at least another couple of dozen here in case you want to exploit more success or you run into trouble. remember in abbottabad when we landed on osama bin laden one of the blades clipped a wall in the compound, out of action, immediately sent another helicopter. >> they were ready for that. how long does an operation like this take to play out? >> once you are on the objective, minutes. from here to here can take days. don't forget, doing an operation like this is wholly a function of having good intelligence. we have not only good overhead intelligence, satellite drones and so on. we have intelligence from people on the ground. you conduct the operation.
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extract back to the forward operating base and withdraw at your leisure. always with more backup. at least double the number of people they are talking about. then adme n, -- admin, logistics. >> and there was hand to hand combat and no injuries. does that surprise you? >> they are very skilled. it's relatively easy to over come an enemy subjected to our surprise. hand to hand combat normally we think of jiu-jitsu and that stuff. it rarely takes place but from time to time it does. the in any case we have the drop on them. i'm not surprised we overcame them quickly. the reason we went in there rather than using a drone, could have blown them up. we wanted his computers his cash flow. >> you wanted to take something out of there. >> we want the bank accounts. this is likely a huge treasure
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trove of information we can convert into finished intelligence. don't be surprised if the same kinds of operations ensue in the coming weeks. >> all without with a single american casualty. thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. >> thank you for getting up with us today. catch more of oh pe not on the weekend but during the week with if you want with special guests monday nights on meerkat and per scope. check me out on twitter. up next is melissa harris-perry. have a great week. ? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
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